The Gallow | Randy Galloway

Show Notes

Few names carry as much weight in Dallas-Fort Worth sports media as Randy Galloway. With a career spanning more than 50 years across the Dallas Morning News, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, ESPN Radio, and WBAP, Galloway’s voice defined an era of fearless sports commentary.

In this episode of Your Dark Companion, host Mike Rhyner sits down with the legendary columnist and broadcaster to revisit the stories that shaped modern sports journalism. From his early days covering high school games to becoming one of the most recognized personalities in Texas media, Galloway reflects on the grind, the glory, and the chaos of it all.

The conversation covers iconic figures like Jimmy Johnson, Troy Aikman, Deion Sanders, and Michael Irvin, while also pulling back the curtain on the cutthroat world of newspaper wars and the pressures of radio. With a mix of honesty, humor, and sharp-edged storytelling, Galloway reminds us why great journalism isn’t about playing nice—it’s about showing up, speaking the truth, and never ducking the hard questions.

⏱️ Chapters:

0:00 – Randy Galloway’s storied career in sports media
7:17 – From high school sports to becoming a columnist
13:45 – The grind, rewards, and credibility of sports journalism
20:50 – Reflections on legends: Johnson, Sanders, Aikman & Irvin
26:47 – Aikman’s near departure and leadership shift
32:21 – Why Galloway never wrote “the book”
35:01 – Reluctant media appearances & staying loyal to Dallas
43:34 – The golden age of Dallas sportswriting wars
57:16 – Triumphs, feuds, and Jerry Jones’s lasting legacy
1:11:20 – Closing reflections: passion, persistence, and perspective

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0:00:00 - (Mike Rhyner): Nobody would have thought that I would be the one. Reiner. Sports talk. Baseball, baseball, baseball, baseball. Oh, with the big mic. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, okay, now I get it. We got a lightning strike, boys. What happened over there, Grego? We had a little lightning strike right outside the window.
0:00:25 - (Randy Galloway): The Texas Rangers win the World Series.
0:00:30 - (Mike Rhyner): All right, all right, here's a tip. Rock all these Americano league teams.
0:00:33 - (Randy Galloway): Don't. Wait, you said tip?
0:00:35 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, tip with a P. Keep jamming the ticket Cola. Nothing but a big Gen X jerk off session. This is a cool night. Or what? Although somebody would hear that and go.
0:00:47 - (Randy Galloway): I'm back.
0:00:56 - (Mike Rhyner): To all of you out there in the land of podcasts. It is the 25th of August. This is your Dark Companion. I would be Mike Reiner here inside the nurturing biosphere of the mothership, prepared to bring to you episode 145 of your Dark Companion. And I am very, very excited about this one today because they said that this could not be done. They said there is no way you can possibly get him. Well, all I did was ask.
0:01:41 - (Mike Rhyner): I just asked, said, you want to do this? I was all ready for no, no, I don't think so. But instead I got, yeah, let's do it. And because of that, because of that simple question and that simple answer, today we are joined by one of the most seminal sports personalities we have ever had in our Fairberg. It's really a very short list when you think about it, because all of these guys that you might think of in that conversation did it for a long time. They were all very, very successful. But there aren't many who have risen to the top of the craft in two media.
0:02:25 - (Mike Rhyner): Not one, two medium. He did it in print and radio. He did it in print at the Dallas Morning News and Fort Worth Star Telegram. He did it in radio at WBAP and ESPN Radio. Why? Now you must know who we're talking about. We're talking about the one and only, the one of a kind, the one of one. The great Randy Calloway. Hi, Randy.
0:02:59 - (Randy Galloway): I tell you what, I tell you what, Reiner, I would have, I would have come on earlier if I know those are going to get that kind of introduction. That's. And, and thanks. The only reason where I'm on. Many thanks to Ms. Ashley of your staff. If it hadn't been partially, I would, you know me in zoom. I'm not exactly zoom literate. And so she worked all that out for me.
0:03:29 - (Mike Rhyner): She's good that way. She's very good that way. And we are damn Glad to have her. How you doing, man?
0:03:39 - (Randy Galloway): Well, as I tell everybody, I'm doing better than I deserve, so I think I'm ahead of the game. It's. If I could continue to do that, then I'm going to be very pleased. But no, everything is, thank goodness, everything is good health wise. Not only in my case at my age, but also my entire family. And as you know by now, Rainer, and as you've always known, really, because we have. Health is the, health is the number one thing. Then you get to a certain age and it really is the number one thing.
0:04:16 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, you grow up and it's the number one thing. But you're young and you're spry and you're thinking, I'll worry about that later. And then you do get to that certain age and it dominates all of a sudden. All of a sudden it dominates in ways that it never had before. I'm one of the lucky ones too, because I'm doing good, you know.
0:04:38 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah.
0:04:38 - (Mike Rhyner): But that, it can all change on a dime for us.
0:04:42 - (Randy Galloway): Absolutely. To do that thing. So I, I live, as we've talked about before in the past, I live the good retirement life and I, I really like doing nothing and I'm damn good at doing nothing and I kind of like to keep it that way. So that's, that helps a lot. I don't have any worries about deadlines or oh, can I break that story? Or can I get that story? And I did that for a long time and I don't have it, don't have it on my brain anymore.
0:05:20 - (Mike Rhyner): You didn't know enough of that to last you three lifetimes.
0:05:26 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah. 50 years in the newspaper business. Very thankful that all that was in this market, this great market. And, and 33, about what, 33 of those years or so were as a columnist where you've really. Not that any other job beat man for the Rangers for 10 years and all that. In all jobs you have to, you have to come through for the paper. But boy, when you're economist, you know, you got to come through. And then, then you get into radio and I was doing the radio 29 years and Reiner, man, you really know that story.
0:06:06 - (Randy Galloway): You got to come through because you've got those, man, those money pinchers and those people who really don't know a damn thing about radio but they're, they're expecting you to turn a profit for. If you know what I mean. You know that story.
0:06:24 - (Mike Rhyner): Oh, I know that story very well. They don't know anything about how you do It. They just want you to do it. And if you don't do it, you're gonna find somebody who will.
0:06:33 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, that's what they're looking for. You know what I'm thinking about today.
0:06:38 - (Mike Rhyner): A little earlier, I was thinking about when did I first start seeing your byline pop up at the Dallas Morning News. That would have been, remember I. I remember that. About the time I started seeing your byline pop up, there was another guy. Guy who seemed to show up at the Dallas Morning News at about that same time. And I thought, you know, these guys are the two young guns over there. And it seems like I could be wrong, but it seems like the first thing you did over there was cover the Dallas Chaparrals.
0:07:17 - (Randy Galloway): Oh, no, no. I actually, I go back with the first byline you. That you may have seen goes back to probably 1964, but it was part time. I was covering high school football. Yeah. And I had a pretty good run at it. Thank goodness. The big, the big boss over there at the time, Walter Robertson, like what I did, and I covered a couple of districts for him and covered Friday night games. And then he calls me one day and said I was. I had flunked out of North Texas.
0:07:59 - (Randy Galloway): And that wasn't hard to do either. I just flunked out. And I was getting ready to go back to school and Walt says, why don't you go to Port Arthur? And I went to the Port Arthur News for 13 months. And then he called and brought me back. So the first thing I did full time at the morning you. Starting in late 65 to 66, there was high schools and I covered high schools for a year. And then in the next year I went to the next year I covered the Mavericks.
0:08:36 - (Randy Galloway): So you did. You did see me on the Maverick B. And I love that. Maverick bait. My first taste of professional type jocks and people. And I did love that. And the great Cliff Hagen was a coach. He had been around a few blocks. He knew. Knew how to handle himself. Tough guy. Boy was good. Good to break in with. With Cliff Hagen.
0:09:03 - (Mike Rhyner): Now you said the Mavericks. You mean the Chaparrals, right?
0:09:05 - (Randy Galloway): I mean, it's a chaperon. I'm sorry. God. Okay. Yeah, that was. I meant the shafts. Yeah. I hate to make that ABA days. Yes.
0:09:20 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah. One of my real regrets in this world and one thing I'd really like a do over on, and I can't explain why it was this way, because I could have done this was I really wish I would have gone to a Dallas Chaparral's game somewhere along the line.
0:09:36 - (Randy Galloway): And I did not. I hate to even hear that. You, I think you would have loved it. There were some characters, man, you were not at the doctor. 19 year old Dr. J in town at the Dallas Convention Center. Remember that place, the Dallas Convention Center? It like. Yeah, it couldn't have more than 9,000 people. I mean the, the Chaparrals weren't going to draw 9,000, but I, we all went to concerts there and pretty big time shows and you can only get like 8, 9 in there and.
0:10:12 - (Randy Galloway): But Dr. J comes to town, 19 years old with the Virginia Squires. They had just signed him. He was, he was the talk of the league as much as there was national talk at that time about the aba. But man, I remember writing, writing a story. The advance on the game going, you gotta come and see this guy. You gotta see him. Big Afro. Duncan, Duncan, Duncan, man. And he put on a show. And the shafts grew about 3,000 that night. A little over thinking about 3,800 or something. A great crowd for the Dallas Chaparrals. But I cannot believe you missed that game. You must have been out of town or seven.
0:11:00 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, no, I think I just had my head up my ass, man. That's all it was. I just had my head up my ass like I did about a lot of things over the years.
0:11:10 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, I know. I was right there with you on that. All right.
0:11:15 - (Mike Rhyner): What was your. How did you make your way up through the ranks at the Morning News after the Chaparrals? What was your next thing?
0:11:23 - (Randy Galloway): I would say that was the Rangers moved here in 72. Well, 71, first season. 72. And once again Walter Robertson said, we want you to be a beat man along with Merle Hereford. Remember that name had covered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cover the Dallas Eagles. Minor league baseball here forever. And Merle and I were on the beat and that was a. Well, that was an awakening there. Now. You know, the first manager I ever, uh.
0:11:56 - (Randy Galloway): First manager I ever covered was Ted Williams who just treated me. And I think all the writers would say that if they were alive. I don't know if any. I don't think any others are alive from that first year. But David think maybe who was the time Sarah guy at the time, but the. Yeah, Ted Williams. And then that was followed by Whitey Herzog briefly. And that was followed by Billy Martin. So I said, boy, I hit the trifecta with those three guys.
0:12:29 - (Randy Galloway): You'll learn a lot. You will learn a lot with that, that trio. But I did that for 10 years. Love covering baseball. Absolutely loved it. Then Skip Bayless got into. He was our columnist at the Morning News. He got into a spit fight, I'll use that word, trying to clean it up with Morning News management over, I guess a lot of different things. Skip was a strange cat, but he got. And he ends up going to the, to the time. Sarah and then it was Dave Smith, the boss, as you well remember.
0:13:10 - (Randy Galloway): And Dave Smith called me and said, you are the columnist. You and David Caste, Steven, y' all are going to be the columnist. And I went, I don't want to be the cop. I want to cover baseball. Luckily, he just said, go to hell. You are the column. And of course, being the columnist was the best thing could have happened to me. But I really love the baseball beat. Like, I, I like that. I like baseball. People taught me a heck of a lot.
0:13:45 - (Randy Galloway): Be stand up if you when you write something bad, and of course, I would. When you're critical and you're throwing stuff down in the paper, you got to show up the next day. You got to show up because they're looking for you. They might not say anything, but they are. They're looking for you down in that clubhouse. It taught you a lot of good values that I carried through well throughout my whole career. That was 10 years on the Rangers.
0:14:15 - (Mike Rhyner): And you were known for all of those things, too. You were always known as somebody who's going to be tough on those who weren't doing their job right or weren't doing their job well or were trying to put something over on everybody. But you're also very, very fair, and you wouldn't show your face in the place the next day.
0:14:40 - (Randy Galloway): Well, well, thanks, but I, you know, you learn that in baseball, like, just like I said earlier, and that was something that carried over in 85. Then I started doing the radio. And you kind of get into that things you say on the radio. But, you know, with the, with the column job comes a lot of cowboy stuff, and then it becomes a lot of maverick stuff. The mavericks had come to town. Later, the stars come to town.
0:15:15 - (Randy Galloway): And I tried to carry that thing from baseball over into all that, too. And guys still bring that up. Well, at least you showed up, you know, and you don't, as I always say, you didn't walk in there with your shoulders all roared back like anybody, you know, with that look on your face, like anybody want to say anything to me, because you could get your ass whooped in a hurry if you're going to be, you're going to be a smart ass about it, but you walked in there looking about halfway confident, trying to. As confident as you could, and you're hoping they don't want to say anything, but if they do, you got to be ready. You got to be ready for a comeback and you got to be ready for an argument and you hope nobody just hauls off and rocks you with a hard ride or something, which luckily that didn't happen. A lot of good arguments and strong arguments along the way.
0:16:11 - (Randy Galloway): But I do think you, if you show up and you know this better than anybody, if you show up, you earn the jocks respect. I mean, we have a lot of respect for us in the media, but if you show up, whatever respect there is, just a smidge, but, or a smudge, I guess, but it's you, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll find out you would earn their respect.
0:16:41 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, it's grudging respect, but they do know, they do notice it, you know.
0:16:47 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, without a doubt grudging. Yeah.
0:16:53 - (Mike Rhyner): Who was especially tough after you would write something about him and then show, show up the next day the way you always did. Who was especially tough in, in the.
0:17:09 - (Randy Galloway): You know, I don't think anybody was. Will Clark was just kind of an a hole. He was in Will Clark when he got here. And of course I was well into column work by then, but was kind of an AO either way. But I kind of liked him. I mean, it's just, you know, you know how he was, you know, that Will Clark personality. But I, I, in, in my days as a beat writer in baseball, really nobody was, you know, where you would say, boy, I just, there's some guys you like, some you don't, but nobody you would go, man, that, that guy, whatever. I wish they had trade him or something.
0:17:57 - (Randy Galloway): And then you get into Cowboy. I had some, I had some great arguments with Deion Sanders just the way he was. Still don't like him to this day, but there were a couple of great arguments that took place, but mainly I kind of started those because I would add things like, why do you, why did you say that you're trying to wreck this team? Well, of course, that's, what's that going to do? That's going to light him up as I meant to do it. And so I kind of, I kind of initiated that.
0:18:34 - (Randy Galloway): I didn't, you know, I didn't find anybody that was here that I just thought, wow, well, that they're, they're that bad to me and probably a Lot of them should have been because, you know, as we pointed out earlier, I, I was always amazed. My opinions have sports opinions and boy, you and I made a living for a lot of years of we did give me sports opinion. But how it, how lights people up. It likes listeners and fans and readers up and it lights participants up.
0:19:19 - (Randy Galloway): And I'm going, boy, thank God I don't cover religion or politics because those are the things that really you think people should take totally serious and get emotional about. And they still do. But I don't know if it's any a. You can take politics, you can take religion, but I don't know if they get any more serious about that. They do about their sports opinions and particularly when they don't agree with you.
0:19:45 - (Randy Galloway): And always had a, you, you had this to always add and I guess kind of a blessing because it, I mean people, it draws people to read. What's that idiot going to say today? Or what? What's that SOB going to say? What's he going to write today? It kind of draws people in there. But so I guess it was kind of a blessing. I was always kind of still kind of amazed about that. About how sports opinions can really fire people up and light people up. Yeah.
0:20:27 - (Mike Rhyner): And yeah, it does cut both ways too, you know.
0:20:32 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah.
0:20:35 - (Mike Rhyner): All right, let me ask you this. Who are some of the guys you liked? Maybe because they were standup guys or maybe just because, maybe just because you got a good vibe off of them. Who were some of the guys that you liked?
0:20:50 - (Randy Galloway): I tell you what, there's, there's just a million of them and I, you know, a guy like Buddy Bell, you know, I really loved him. But right on down the line, those, those early Rangers, Toby Hara and, and guys like that. But then right on through, Fergie Jenkins comes here, just the greatest. And Al Oliver, same way. I mean I'd heard he, when he got here, I'd heard he had a reputation for being cantankerous or whatever.
0:21:24 - (Randy Galloway): No, not. I never found him that way. I don't think any other writer here did either. But then as we moved, Mickey Rivers, loved Mickey Rivers. I still list him as one of my all time, one of my all time favorites. And you know, you get to the Cowboys and boy, knowing, getting to know Troy Aikman as a raw rookie and then watching him develop over the years, man, I appreciate being just watching that and watching what happened.
0:21:57 - (Randy Galloway): Michael Irvin, I still say maybe one of my all time favorites like in this latest thing on Netflix now that's out Mike, I mean, Michael Irving may be the best known there just for flat ass honesty. I mean, he says things. I'm even going, michael, you probably shouldn't have said that. But I mean that's, that's just Michael, always a great quote. Always a guy that could size up the situation for you with a great quote. And people read a Galloway column and they were going, boy, that's, that's good. Well, the main reason it was good because Michael had given me good stuff.
0:22:44 - (Randy Galloway): Or if they say, yeah, that column sucked, then I could go, well, Michael didn't have the good, he didn't have his good stuff today. But I've got, but so many. I mean, Daryl Johnson, guys. Right on. Jason Whitten, I mean, all Nate Newton. And you know, I love the Nate, the fact that the Nate Newton story, to become what he became on the football field and all his problems off the field and, and everything else. And now look at him today.
0:23:16 - (Randy Galloway): And I mean, you can turn a life around, quite frankly. Now Michael was a guy that Michael Irvin. I gotta say this. I mean, I never seen a better teammate. I've never, in any sport, I've never seen a better one. But then you take him off the field and God knows where he, where he was going to go or what he was going to do or the trouble that he was going to get in. But teammate, you always wanted Michael. You always wanted Michael on your team. Without a doubt.
0:23:49 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, I always found him to be just amazing to talk to. Amazing because he was personable, he was funny, he was smart, but he knew what he was doing, he knew how to work the media. I mean, he came.
0:24:04 - (Randy Galloway): Without a doubt. Yeah.
0:24:06 - (Mike Rhyner): I mean, he came here knowing that.
0:24:10 - (Randy Galloway): He had that. He always said deep in the Miami hood is where he was raised. But there must have been somebody in the hood that had some common sense because Michael has, he has a lot of that again on the football field. And sometimes common sense escaped him when he got on the streets, if you know what I mean.
0:24:32 - (Mike Rhyner): Yep. Yeah, it did. How'd you and Jimmy do?
0:24:37 - (Randy Galloway): I tell you what, when Jimmy first got here, that, that's a, that's a great question because people think Jimmy and I were tied all along and we became very tight. But I didn't, I didn't like him for one reason, Troy Aikman. But I thought he didn't like Aikman and I thought that was stupid in a way, I was kind of right. I think he had questions about Aman and I was, I was ripping Jimmy and sometimes stupidly like the Herschel Walker trade.
0:25:13 - (Randy Galloway): And by the way, Jimmy made the trade. If you've watched the Netflix show, you know what I'm talking about. What is it? The gambler and his cowboys. Jimmy made the damn Herschel Walker trade. We talk about that later. But when he made that trade, I'm going, he didn't get enough. But what I didn't really. I mean those players are not guys that are really going to help a team that needs a lot of help. And you remember those days.
0:25:40 - (Randy Galloway): I know that was a 90 and 1990 and God knows they were. They were hurting for talent. But of course what I didn't realize is how he had arranged the draft picks where he cut. He only kept I cold the quarterback. And Ike stayed through the first super bowl, maybe the, the second, but he only kept the corner back there. Ike. And but by get. By dumping those other players, he got better draft picks involved from Minnesota. And what he did with those draft picks was great.
0:26:19 - (Randy Galloway): I mean it made really made the dynasty happen or help make it happen. But the, I mean I was critical of that and Jimmy and I had some blowout arguments. I mean that would. You mentioned that earlier. I should have thought about that. Jimmy walked. I mean he was in a press conference one day and I asked a question, maybe it was a smart ass question. And he said, I'm not taking it. I asked the first question.
0:26:47 - (Randy Galloway): He said, he's asking, I'm leaving. He walked out. Well, all the TV guys and the other writers are gall. They had to get stories, Mike. Oh God, they were mad. And I felt, I really did. I felt awful. But we had a long talk. I ran into him in the parking lot about, about 30 minutes later. Rich Dalrymple was out there. And so Jimmy, me and Dalrymple sit there and talk for about an hour. But I remember after the infamous Detroit playoff game in 91, Aikman calls me. Aikman had done his media stuff and he sat at the locker, nobody's there. I walked by, I wasn't going to talk, just said hello or whatever. And he said hey and come here. And I went over there and he said, I'm out of here.
0:27:47 - (Randy Galloway): I said, you out of here? What? He said, I'm through with this team. I cannot play for that man, meaning Jimmy Johnson. And I said, wow. He said, I'm asking for a trade. I pull out the, pull out the old reporter's notebook in the pen. And I went, well, obviously I'm writing this, Troy. And he said, write it. Write the damn Thing. And he said, I'm not playing for that, man. I'll be out of here hopefully by tomorrow. I'm calling Lee.
0:28:17 - (Randy Galloway): Meaning what was the. Lee Steinberg, right, was his agent. And I'm calling him and we're. I'm through with this. I'm not playing. He doesn't want me. I don't want to be here. This and that. And we talk a little bit more. And I'm thinking, I got this story. What I have hammered down today, the old Dallas Morning News gonna be very proud of me on this one. And then I get up and I went, troy, all right.
0:28:46 - (Randy Galloway): I said, I may have to agree with you. I don't think Jimmy. I don't know whether he thinks you're his guy or not. He said, he doesn't. I get up and he went, wait a minute. He said, don't write any of that. And I went, troy, I'm kind of cussing him now. We've sit here. I mean, come on, man. He said, well, I tell you why I'm saying that. I need to talk to Lee. I need the agent again. And I went. But he said, I promise you this.
0:29:20 - (Randy Galloway): Where are you going to be at noon tomorrow? I said, in the office, meeting the Morning News office. He said, all right, give me the number. I gave him my straight line at the. At the Morning News. He said, I will call you at noon tomorrow, I promise, and you can have the whole story. I said, all right. At about 5 to 12 the next morning, next morning, the phone rings. It's Aikman. He said, you will not believe what happened.
0:29:50 - (Randy Galloway): I said, what? I figured I was losing my story. Then he said, I walk in today, kind of clear out my locker end of season, and I get word Jimmy wants to talk to you. He said, I go down there and I. He said I was pretty cold. I went, yeah, what? Because he was really mad about not starting that Detroit game, as you well remember, and not starting the previous game either. So Jimmy says, troy won't tell you right now, this team is yours.
0:30:30 - (Randy Galloway): I am turning it over to you. Who you want is your offensive coordinator. And Aikman said, I just sat there and looked at him. He said, no, the team is yours. Who do you want? Receiver wise? Who do you want? Offensive line? You tell me. You are totally in charge of this team. Who you like the offensive coordinator? And Aikman has Norf Turner. Aikman. When I love it. He went, good. Then we're giving Norm a new three year contract.
0:31:05 - (Randy Galloway): Nor a three year contract. And he said, it's yours, it's your team. Take it and run with it. So Eggman went, I'm here. I said, well, I'm kind of pissed off. I like the other story a lot better just from a newspaper standpoint, but I'm very happy you are still here actually, because I like dealing with you. He said, thank you. And I said, I like the fact that now you are in charge and the rest is history.
0:31:37 - (Randy Galloway): They win the super bowl that year, that next season. So I'm, you know, you, you, stories like that. I tell these stories just sitting around and my son in laws, my daughters, my wife, they all go, you got to write a book. I said, I'm not writing a book, I'm not writing a book. But they're always on me about writing a book. And I go, you know, if you write a book, you got to be honest. And there's a lot of things I'm not going to be honest about because, you know, you learn them through, well, through people's trust. And they might not want that story out there.
0:32:21 - (Randy Galloway): So I'm not putting that. So, no, I'm not ever writing a book. But I love, though I do love those kind of stories.
0:32:29 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, you gotta love those kind of stories. And, and I'm. For what it might be worth, I will join in with them saying, yes, you do need to write a book, Randy.
0:32:43 - (Randy Galloway): And by the way, I'm too lazy now, Mike.
0:32:46 - (Mike Rhyner): It's just been in the retirement game too long. Once you're in, once you're there, it's.
0:32:50 - (Randy Galloway): Kind of hard to get going again. Yeah, it's. Well, you know, the retirement, When I retired, I went, in fact, I, I said, I'll never work past 65. And then I'm 65. And I go, well, I like this. My wife's going, you know, are you going to give up that money, I mean, newspaper money, and start telegram and the radio money? And I went, well, yeah, that's a good question. And so I keep working and then I get to be about 68 now.
0:33:25 - (Randy Galloway): I said, all right, here's my deal. At 70, I'm out. And so it gets to be 70. And the paper wanted me to stay. The radio was changing over, you know, all that story, and the radio was changing. And I said, no, they're talking to me, you're not leaving. And I went, yeah, I'm leaving. So I retire at 70. And everybody, family and everybody I know went, you, you can't stay out of it. You cannot. And I've shocked them all because I've not only stayed out of it, in fact, when I retired Mike, I went, no more radio, no more tv, no more writing, nothing.
0:34:17 - (Randy Galloway): I am going to be sitting out in Parker county, out there in the ranch land, going to have a horse behind me, play a little golf and not going to do anything. But then, you know, people call your friends, people you like, they called. You got to come on the radio here and there, just. And you start doing that. And I still do that, but for the most part I don't, I don't do. You know, I do stuff that I like to do, but if somebody's calling and they're. I don't care who it is. A lot of times it's been ESPN some 30 for 30 stuff.
0:35:01 - (Randy Galloway): But if they're calling and it's Galloway, can you come to Dallas? No, I'm not going to Dallas to do two hours of TV stuff. And I just, I turn it down. And I've done that repeatedly. I did one time, they talked me into it. Remember that? It was a 30 for 30 mic. I still show it on ESPN. And of course you can pick it up streaming that what Carter lost about the scandal of Dallas Carter High school in the 80s.
0:35:42 - (Randy Galloway): And it. So they call me on that. Well, I wouldn't covered high school. I did do a lot of cop. That thing was such a hot story. I probably did four or five columns. I politely, you don't, you're not an a hole about it. But politely, I said, no, look, thank you and I appreciate interest, but look, I'm just, I'm not interested. And then they say, well, they call back and some of the women that were producing the thing called back and said, can our director call you?
0:36:20 - (Randy Galloway): And he called and he, you know, it's this and that, no money. I mean, you don't get paid for anything. But he just. I finally went, all right, I'll do it. I went to Dallas three different times doing this show. Three damn times. Different times driving over there, driving back. I'm cussing myself. You get over there and it's two hours, three hours. And then you. They call and can you come back? We just want a little more.
0:36:54 - (Randy Galloway): And I went, I know the case too. You're doing all that. It'll probably end up five minutes. But in this case, it really didn't. But then I see the final product. Mike and I went, today it's still the same. And it's what, 10 years later? Almost 10 years later. I see comes up and I go, I'm really glad I did that. I'm really glad I did it, but I don't want to do anymore. And I remember when the NFL films call the NFL Network and they're doing something on Jerry, and they went, can you come to Frisco for taping? I went, look, I don't take this the wrong way, but no. And hell no, I am not driving from where I live to Frisco.
0:37:46 - (Randy Galloway): And they called me back. They went, what if we sent a limo? I went, oh, God. So I went, all right, send a limo. So I get. They send the limo all the way to Alito, out here on Farm Road 5 and pick me up. Take me to. Take me all the way to Frisco, to the cowboy hierarchy headquarters. I get out and I got a pseudo. They said, yeah, it'd be best to wear a tie. So I put a. I never suit on in years. Got a suit on. And all the writers that bunch, all the more to you.
0:38:28 - (Randy Galloway): David Moore and all his bunch, Clarence Hill, Shereen Williams, they're all out in the lobby because something was going on. I don't know what it was, but there had to be. And a bunch of TV guys, and they see me getting out of a limo with a suit on. You talk about catching hell. Just say, oh, I caught a bag of hell over over there. But anyway, go in and do it.
0:38:57 - (Mike Rhyner): Ass out with that.
0:38:59 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, without a doubt. And, you know, you do it and then do the show. Then Dal Ripper wanted to take me around, showed me the. And I really was glad about that. Showed me the whole setup that they had. I'd never been to the. I'm sure you've been to their kingdom out there, but, man, no, actually, I haven't. Yeah, well, that was the first time I've been and the only time. But we did kind of a tour of the whole thing, and then I got back the limo back to.
0:39:34 - (Randy Galloway): Rode back to Alito. But Basically, now, like, Ms. Ashley sets up a Zoom. And I'm going, hell, yeah, Reiner. When you called, I went, well, I hope he says zoom. And you did. And Zoom was Zoom. When I talked to Grooves, I believe. Yeah, Grooves. He went, hey, Zoom would be fine. I went, yeah, man, let's zoom it. So this is. This is perfect right here. And I still do to this day, since retirement. I've been retired 12 years, but, boy, 12 years, that's hard, man.
0:40:14 - (Mike Rhyner): I know.
0:40:14 - (Randy Galloway): You know, I know what I said wow myself after I said that, but, you know, I still do. I've done two radio shows with friends of mine who want to talk about this Netflix deal on the Cowboys. And so people, you know, and you know people you like, Mike, if they want you to do something, you do it. And I'll still do an occasional. I remember one time we had. I get a call, we're doing the Mike Reiner life story doc O Mike Reiner, man. We're gonna doco him. And I went.
0:40:57 - (Randy Galloway): And the lady went, would you be interested in being on. And I said, sign me up. And I'm praying she doesn't say, can you come to Dallas? And she says, where do you live? We'll have send the crew out for you. And I went, God bless you. So we said, right here in this room, right here at this bar. And she set everything up. And then the Mike Reiner. We did the Mike Reiner show. So I went, that's first class right there.
0:41:33 - (Randy Galloway): They came to you. So that was. That was a. That was a good moment. And by the way, four or five of those. Four or five, do they say, okay, we'll be it? I'd say, look, I'm not driving to Dallas. I got no interest in it. And God, I miss. Oh, man, Javier's. I miss Bob Steak and Chop. I miss me Tex Mex. Yeah. Little water bike.
0:42:05 - (Mike Rhyner): You miss Joe Miller's.
0:42:07 - (Randy Galloway): Oh, God, Joe. Louie's a miss Louie. Still going now. Yeah, of course we lost Louie, too, but. Oh, Joe Miller. Oh, man, that was. But I'm just. I can get over there, but if I start, drink a couple of margaritas, how am I going to get back? An hour and a half drive, an hour and a half on the road, and I don't want to. I don't want to chance it on the deal. But yeah, it's like that Mike ran or documentary, is it? What do we call that? The Life and Times of My grand. Or whatever it was.
0:42:44 - (Randy Galloway): But. And by the way, I watched it later. She sent it to me. She did a hell of a job on that.
0:42:51 - (Mike Rhyner): She did. We're talking about Crystal Vasquez.
0:42:56 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, that's who it was. Yeah, she was good. She did a good job. And thank God she knew where Alito was. Oh, man.
0:43:10 - (Mike Rhyner): Let me ask you this. Of all the guys, all the great guys, that great collection of great writers, great sports minds that they had at the Dallas Morning News, the Star Telegram, who were some of your favorites and the ones that you respected the most.
0:43:34 - (Randy Galloway): The. Without a doubt, I grabbed. When I was in the eighth grade, I came home from Lee Junior High in Grand Prairie, where I Grew up and lived forever for 60 years. And Dallas Times Herald was on the front yard. I go in, it was late in the afternoon. I'd been at track practice or something. Pick that paper up as I always did. We took the morning news in the morning time. Sarah at night, picked up the oatless fork section, Mike, and looked over on his. Over on the left hand side, there's a new name.
0:44:20 - (Randy Galloway): And I read that column, and the first thing I thought of, I want to be him. This was the eighth grade. This was the first column Blackie shared dead for the Dallas Times era. And boy, I went. And my. My mama, God bless her, worked at the Dallas Morning News in the food department for Julie Bunnell. That's a famous name from the past. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. And she worked in there for her.
0:44:54 - (Randy Galloway): And she got home and I told her, I went, I want to be this guy. She said, you want to be a sports writer? And I went, yeah. She said, who's that? I said, blackie Sherrod. And one of the highlights of my life. And it's been a long life, thank God, and hope it lasts longer. But was really later on getting to know Blackie, becoming a friend of Blackie, hanging out with Blackie. And I think Blackie liked me, too. So I think it was a mutual thing, but not mutual from the standpoint of the respect I had for the man. I just.
0:45:37 - (Randy Galloway): I thought he was the greatest. But let me tell you, I. What was going on here, Mike. And it started in the. With the newspaper war. It's a shame. It takes a war to do it. Yeah, but the writers at the Morning News and starting in the 80s, the very early 80s, and going into, going to 1992, when the time Trail folded, we had the greatest sports sections in the country. Now, I was the guy that had been traveling the country back covering baseball. We didn't have our cowboy beat writers.
0:46:24 - (Randy Galloway): Gary Cartwright, a great one to start with, and it was Bob St. John, Sam Blair, our columnist. You know, they were on the road, but that was like eight or nine times a year. And you go in on Saturday and you're out of there after the game or on Monday morning. I was on two week road trips. I was reading papers all over the country, and boy, there were some great ones. My favorite, the Boston Globe.
0:46:49 - (Randy Galloway): Oh, Peter Gammons became a good friend. Some great names up there. Larry Whiteside and all their great writers. And I'm going, well, we're, you know, I think we're good, but we're not that and they, you could tell the budget and everything else was a lot different. But then when this thing exploded and we, we went unlimited budget, unlimited space, unlimited staff at the Morning news time, Sarah was right there. There was nobody in America putting out better newspapers than right here in Dallas. And that you could see the Star Telegram is looking at Dallas going at that time Again, this is the 80s, early 80s to mid-80s. And then it kept going.
0:47:38 - (Randy Galloway): But they're looking, going, hey, we got, we got to do some stuff here. And they did. They were building their sports department. So, yeah, boom. I mean, I, it was a great privilege. People asked me, would you still. Would you like to be 50 years old now and doing columns and doing radio? And I'm going, I don't know, maybe I'd like to be 50, maybe.
0:48:07 - (Mike Rhyner): But that sounds like a good deal.
0:48:10 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, right. But hey, newspapers ain't the same and radio isn't the same as you, as you well know, it's a totally different animal now. And the, you know, I get so. I don't know. But I, I look at the Morning News these days and I tell everybody this. I think the Morning News, one of the few newspapers in the country still trying to do it right now. I talked to my Morning News friends over there, won't mention any names, and they're going, a lot of it is smoke and mirror.
0:48:50 - (Randy Galloway): Because it's different management. I mean, you know, it's, it's totally different people involved, the money situation. But their product, they not only, you know, they cover. I think they cover sports. Well, their deadlines are nearly as good, but where they're not good anywhere anymore. In sport. In sports. Sports, you need deadlines.
0:49:19 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah.
0:49:19 - (Randy Galloway): You need at least a midnight deadline and, and you don't have that anymore. But I think the final product that comes out, the one I see online, let me tell you, I think that's a. I still think it's a good newspaper for this day and age. Now, what we were at the Morning News, but you can't even compare it because we were working under totally different circumstance. They were. They love. They thought the sports at that time sold newspapers.
0:49:49 - (Randy Galloway): And so did the Times hero and so did the Star Telegram. They thought we sold newspapers and by God, we did sell newspaper. We were selling newspapers. But in this day, they got no respect for. I don't think they got any respect management. I'm talking about corporate. Yeah, my worst enemy. Corporate. People had to respect the sports.
0:50:18 - (Mike Rhyner): I've always heard that the guy who, who made the big difference at the Morning News and really took it. Next level was Dave Smith.
0:50:28 - (Randy Galloway): Well, you know, without a doubt. And they now will say this. God, I'm trying to think of his name and I'm embarrassed. The Decker, he was the publisher. Yeah, he was a dealy Robert Decker Deckard guy. I'm embarrassed. Robert Deckard.
0:50:50 - (Mike Rhyner): That's okay. We've all been there. Don't worry about it.
0:50:53 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, I know it well. It's oh, old age, it's hell. And I should know that guy because he was really good to me. I mean I, I know him but I should have jumped on that name right away. I know he's retired now. It starts. It started with Robert Decker. He decided we're going to blow out the sports section in the business section. And I'm sure he had advisors in there telling him. And there were other people and God bless them too. But Robert had to make the decision to do it.
0:51:29 - (Randy Galloway): And with that decision, unfortunately they moved out. They, they moved out, you know, Walter Robertson, who I'd worked for forever and loved him and always been great to me. But they moved him out and into another area of the paper and they brought in Dave Smith. And so that's how Dave kind of came in. He came in on a golden parachute and it just landed right there, Dealey Square in downtown Dallas because it was already loaded up for him.
0:52:11 - (Randy Galloway): But what Dave did was just take that thing and run with it and move it to another level. So as much as I said I hated Corporate World, Robert Deckard, give, give the credit first to Robert Decker for, for setting the whole thing up. And then Dave took it and, and he carried that, carried the ball well for all of us. And what I liked about it and later I went there but the time the Star Telegram in Fort Worth, you could see them, man, they're what's going on in Dallas.
0:52:50 - (Randy Galloway): They're building, they're built and they, they're putting out a damn good newspaper. Now we had three good newspapers in our area. Damn good newspapers. And of course in 92, unfortunately the, the Times heroin. I say unfortunately because I think competition makes the world go round. You gotta have competition or those corporate bastards are going to cut everything, if you will. But when the Arrow folded, well, you go, they're going to back off now where those of us at the Morning News corporate will back off their credit. They didn't, they didn't back up.
0:53:38 - (Randy Galloway): They, they kept it going for a while and, and then it was like, all right, we're going to attack Arlington which was start Telegram that was their money train Arlington. And Arlington was a, you know, booming population wise, a lot of money in Arlington. And we're going into Arlington, which I always said we should do when I was at the Morning News. And that's kind of how I got to the Star Telegram to start with. And I never regretted that decision because I was like 55 years old and it gave me another kick in the butt.
0:54:23 - (Randy Galloway): And you know, you get that kick in the ass, Mike, and you go, whoop. You go on with it. And because, hey, these people, they were paying big money. And I had no complaint about my salary. I've told everybody that forever. People ask this day, did you do it for the money? To this day I get that and I go, hell yeah, you always do it for the money. But I had no complaint about the Morning News money. I was making excellent salary at the Morning News. They treated me great, but this was even more money. And Dave and I, I was kind of the spokesman for the staff.
0:55:04 - (Randy Galloway): I think Dave was tired of hearing from me. So it was. It was a good split. Even though I spent 33 great years at Belo and I woke up every day for 33 years, Mike, whether it was high school or doing a column on the Cowboys latest adventure. And I went hell less salute and burn for below. That was my. That was my. The thing I live by. We're going to loot and burn for below today and there for a while.
0:55:36 - (Randy Galloway): For many years actually, when it Morning News really cared about sports. That's what we did. But hey, by the way, you ask about sports writers today and I, I mean, I think the Morning News has two excellent columnists. I am. Have always been a. Kevin Sherrington, huge fan, callous. Shaw has been there a long time. He kind of replaced. He was the one guy who replaced me. And he gets better all the time. I think the.
0:56:07 - (Mike Rhyner): Those guys are still great.
0:56:09 - (Randy Galloway): They're. They're excellent in Mack Engel. Same way at the start Telegram and start telling you got to carry a lot if you're at the start Telegram right now. Because they just demolish sports. I think they got six guys in sports. And by the way, those guys work their ass off. I can't. I don't even know his name. I don't know him. The TCU beat writer, excellent at the Start Telegram. The new Cowboy, Clarence Hill was there for years. He went down to another adventure.
0:56:41 - (Randy Galloway): But they hire a guy, Nick Harris. His name, I don't. Wouldn't know Nick if he walked in my house right now. But excellent he's done a great job on the thing, these guys.
0:56:53 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah.
0:56:54 - (Randy Galloway): And Mac Eagle is the columnist, so I. It's different. It's not what it was. But you're still getting high quality, you know, high quality stuff for sure. Oh, Brad Townsend, excellent writer at the Morning News.
0:57:10 - (Mike Rhyner): That's another. That's another.
0:57:12 - (Randy Galloway): And I know I'm leaving. Yeah, I know I'm leaving out somebody.
0:57:16 - (Mike Rhyner): You mentioned Mac Engel. And as things happen, he does a podcast, which we house here in our little podcast.
0:57:25 - (Randy Galloway): Really?
0:57:26 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, yeah, he does. He does.
0:57:28 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah. All right. Good thing.
0:57:31 - (Mike Rhyner): It's been a lot of fun to get to know him. He's a good dude.
0:57:35 - (Randy Galloway): Oh, yeah. Good guy. Yes, he is. Very good.
0:57:40 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah. So were you happy when the Rangers won the World Series, Randy?
0:57:47 - (Randy Galloway): Just ecstatic. Just. I mean, I was fanboy, I swear that thing. Because I was too. Yeah, I know you were. You'd be lying if you said you weren't. But I, I was damn fanboy on that. And you know, it's hard to be fanboy, like 80 years old, but yeah, an 80 year old fanboy. And that's what I was. I was 80 when they wanted to be an 80s. A good sign. But yeah. And so the fanboy and me came out, but I had been. I was still working. I was covering, obviously, game six in St. Louis.
0:58:25 - (Randy Galloway): Oh, God. So I saw that and just. You think it's there and you know, then you got to do a column on that and you're sitting there on deadline really sick and you hate to be that way. But I felt like I had so much invested in the franchise from 1972 on, and I thought that was. Oh, I thought the hoodoo voodoo had totally consumed the Rangers and never win. And I'll be damn. I'll be damn. Hey, they. And I know there's been two this season. Disappointing. God, is it ever.
0:59:05 - (Randy Galloway): Last season was wreckage, but I still, I'm still not cussing because you got that World Series. Yeah.
0:59:17 - (Mike Rhyner): That. That World Series win was the greatest night of my sports life. And it will never be topped. I mean, it is already. It's going to get for me and I'm cool with that.
0:59:29 - (Randy Galloway): I like it. And I'm the same way. I'm the same way. So. Yeah, I love that on the, on the, on the, on all that thing. And, and I. For Rick Carlisle sake, Dirk sake, you know, I put the second thing as the 2011 Maverick World Championship.
0:59:56 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah.
0:59:56 - (Randy Galloway): I mean, I, you know, I would mean that one didn't hit me like the Rangers Actually within the World Series, but it was way up there and it still is.
1:00:07 - (Mike Rhyner): It didn't hit me like the Rangers either, but it hit pretty good.
1:00:11 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. And that one was a. That one was a good one. So. Yeah, that. To see the first Cowboys super bowl too in 92. 3. 92. That when I went. Wow. To watch how bad they were just three years earlier, Jimmy's first year, and then to win a. I said, I may not have got along with Jimmy, but I think I'm going to throw in with him. I think this guy knows what he's doing and he didn't know what he was doing.
1:00:48 - (Randy Galloway): And by the way, this, I mean.
1:00:51 - (Mike Rhyner): You ask anybody that played on that team or anybody who was around at the time.
1:00:56 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah.
1:00:56 - (Mike Rhyner): And those guys all freely admit, or they, they have to me anyway, that the biggest reason that they did what they did during that time was Jimmy. And that was just Jimmy.
1:01:09 - (Randy Galloway): That is that I'm one of those who thinks they could have won five straight Super Bowls if that bullshit down in Orlando. And, and it was building long before Orlando. But if egos had just stayed out of it. I blame Jerry more than Jimmy. Maybe I should. Well, yeah, you got to. You got to blame Jerry. I blame him for everything anyway. But the. If that hadn't happened, I think they could have won five straight.
1:01:42 - (Randy Galloway): But they held up. Came after he was gone. They blue one the next year should have won the Super Bowl. Then the next year they. I mean that was a horrible NFL. Played a bad Pittsburgh team in the Super Bowl. They get the super bowl with Barry Switzer. It's like Jerry, I told you 500 coaches and all that crap. But then been 30 years, Mike. 30 years of Jerry dust. And that's all it is, is dust out.
1:02:17 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah, it is, it is. So did they ask you to participate in this Netflix thing.
1:02:27 - (Randy Galloway): And. I don't know.
1:02:30 - (Mike Rhyner): I heard that. And that's one of the things that really got me interested in making a run at you here today because I, I heard they did. And you turned them down.
1:02:44 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, See and I, I don't know if I did or not. I. All I know Hanson and I were talking. He said that's the first thing he asked about. I'd say four or five people have asked me, why aren't you on this? And I said, don't know. But I had Hanson said he did his interview twice. He went in five hours worth two different TV sit down segments about two years ago. And Mike and. And now I also, I I talked to Edward and he and Goose Gosling are on this thing, but they did theirs in February.
1:03:25 - (Randy Galloway): Yeah, I'm pretty sure I didn't have a call in February. I, I kind of would remember that a couple of years ago, though. And by the way, this goes on and on and on way back, but certainly a couple years ago I was getting all kind of calls, some of it ESPN and I, I would say four or five shows. They wanted me to come into Dallas to do. And I had polite, you don't, you know, just. No, politely you say, hey, you know, I just don't think I'm interested. Thank you very much for thinking of me and this and that.
1:04:07 - (Randy Galloway): Also the going back to what did Carter lose? As much as I'm glad I did it. And when I see it every time I see it now, and I probably see it two or three times since the original came out, but I go, boy, I'm glad I did that. But it was going back to Dallas three different times. And I know that that can happen. So I know in that time, Hanson's going, they had to call you. And so I think Hanson put it out there that Galloway turned them down. I don't know whether I did or not, just to be totally honest. And here's the Dale story.
1:04:53 - (Randy Galloway): And this is why I'm glad, actually. It is so well done. Now you got to wade through the BS with Jerry. Yeah, but it's so well done. You kind of go, boy, I'd like to be involved in that. And that thing is well done. But Dale goes in and sits for three hours. He says they're loving it. The crew and the producers, they're laughing. Oh, that's great. Mark that. Now he goes home, they call him the next day and went, we need more. Can you come back tomorrow? Well, you know Dale, he ain't going to pass up a minicam or TV cam.
1:05:37 - (Mike Rhyner): Never said.
1:05:38 - (Randy Galloway): He said, yeah, right. He, he goes back, he does two more hours. He did five hours and he set in the record straight. Mike, he said the record straight on Jimmy put the super bowl winning, the Dynasty team together, not Jerry. As this show. This. The Gambler is this thing leads you to believe because of Jerry. And you only had Jimmy to. To dispute that. But Dale said he knocked it down sideways. They never ran one thing.
1:06:20 - (Randy Galloway): Dale did five hours. This is an eight hour shift, eight segments, about eight hours worth. Dale's on for two minutes. And I said, you know, that's not worth it. Now Werder, Edward and Goose gossip, they're trying to tell the truth, too, some of what they said gets out about it was Jimmy, but not a lot of it. And that was right at the end. That was segment, what, seven? So that was right at the end. And they.
1:06:54 - (Randy Galloway): I mean, they're going to set the record straight. And you had to have them on because they were the guys in Orlando. They were covering that owner's meeting, and they were the guys saying that Jerry walked up and said, I'm going to fire that blue, blue, blah, blah, blah, and just told them right to their face. That's how. That's how the news first got out. They broke the damn story. So I don't know.
1:07:22 - (Randy Galloway): I don't know whether they called or not, but it wouldn't have made any difference because I would have said, Jerry's full of crap on this, this, and this. He's never full of crap on making money because he's the best owner, I think, in the world. I don't know all the European soccer owners, but there ain't nothing like Jerry in the United States of America or Canada or Mexico. Ain't nothing like Jerry when it comes to making money.
1:07:49 - (Randy Galloway): But as a football guy. Flaming idiot. And there's. I mean, that's just. That's just Jerry. And I like him personally, I like him. But he's sitting there saying, he made the Herschel trade. He did not make the Herschel tray. I mean, it's. By the way, Jerry was telling us the first two years, not just me, everybody. I'm in charge of every. I got to make money. I got to make money for this team. I mean, Jimmy's totally in charge of football.
1:08:24 - (Randy Galloway): About the third season, it was a little bit of, yeah, Jimmy and I did this. And then. Then Jerry on this show says, jimmy did not draft the players. Jimmy drafted the damn players when he was here. Jerry says, that deal, that famous scene or story ESPN calls the Cowboys and Goats. Can we put a live camera in the war? You remember this one Mike in the war room?
1:08:56 - (Mike Rhyner): Oh, yeah.
1:08:57 - (Randy Galloway): This was for the 91. Yeah, 91 draft. Well, the Cowboys, they go to Jerry and Jerry. Yeah. Put one in. So for the first time ever, now, every war room has a live camera. They put a live camera in the Cowboys. And when they time to pick, here's their own live ESPN for the draft. And Jerry leans over to Jimmy and says, hey, when the light comes on, the camera comes home. Kind of turn this way and be talking to me.
1:09:30 - (Randy Galloway): And now Jimmy told the story, Jerry. Jerry says it in this. In this thing. This lady's thing on Netflix. Jerry says that never happened. Guys that were in the war room told us. And Jerry used to laugh about it. Now he's saying it never happened. All that is crap. But overall. And then I was wondering, in this thing, Mike, have you seen all eight segments?
1:09:59 - (Mike Rhyner): No, I'm. I'm like three in.
1:10:03 - (Randy Galloway): Okay.
1:10:04 - (Mike Rhyner): I'm trying to take it slow.
1:10:09 - (Randy Galloway): Well, you know, it's good. I thought, there's no way I can sit through eight damn seconds. Hell out. One night I binge. What, you got nothing to do, Mike. You're retired. So I binge watched beans. Watched four segments. The last four, I was up to about 3 in the morning. But it's it. I enjoyed it and I did not think I would. And Jerry in a lot of play. Jerry's good in this thing. I just don't like the fact that he changes the football history with Jimmy and with what the Cowboys were and the last time we saw them, that they actually were worth a damn.
1:10:53 - (Randy Galloway): And you know how long it's been? 30 years.
1:10:56 - (Mike Rhyner): Yeah.
1:10:56 - (Randy Galloway): Since they've been worth a damn. But he shouldn't have done that. Overall, though, pretty good. Like I said earlier, some of the Michael Irving stuff, I liked all those guys. Aikman was strong. Emmett, of course. Michael right on down the line. Yeah. Good. I. I like the show.
1:11:20 - (Mike Rhyner): I like it, too. It's a good watch for sure.
1:11:23 - (Randy Galloway): And.
1:11:25 - (Mike Rhyner): Well, Randy, man, I don't know what to tell you, except, number one, your greatness. Number two, I appreciate the hell out of you doing this, man. I really do.
1:11:39 - (Randy Galloway): Well, I'll say this. As long as you will send me Ashley to set it up, because you know I'm going to forget the Zoom World. I've already forgotten it and she's trying to show me. So as long as you will send me Ashley, I'll be glad to do it anytime. Because this is the way to go right here. But thank you for having me.
1:12:05 - (Mike Rhyner): Thank you for doing it, man. I hope you are well and may you live long and prosper, my brother.
1:12:11 - (Randy Galloway): Let's hope. Like I said, I'm ahead of the game right now. Better. I'm doing better than I deserve. So I like that part of it right there, Mike. Thanks a lot.
1:12:21 - (Mike Rhyner): All right, that is the great Randy Galloway there. And this has been your dark companion. We certainly hope you have enjoyed it today. It's been just a blast talking to Mr. Randy. We haven't hooked up in a long time. It's great to see him. Great to hear from him. I miss this cat. Man. Anyway, really appreciate everybody watching. If you like what we're doing here, tell somebody about us. We're out there on YouTube. We're out there on Spotify, we're out there on.
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