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Hosted by Dr. Val Civelli, White Coat Black Sheep explores physiology, functional medicine, and the medical questions most people are told not to ask.
This is where evidence meets curiosity, where dogma gets uncomfortable, and where real world medicine takes priority over headlines.
From understanding your lab work to debunking hormone myths, medication misconceptions, and optimization strategies, this podcast helps you understand what is actually happening inside your body.
If you care about health and think there might be a better way to practice medicine, you’re in the right place.
This is white coat black sheep, where science gets curious
and dogma gets uncomfortable.
I'm Dr. Selli and we talk physiology, evidence,
and real world medicine.
Plus the questions you are not supposed to ask,
but probably should if you care about health
and think there's a better way.
Welcome to our show. Hey Justin. How's it going?
Good, how are you? Good.
I'm sorry I forced you to just, um,
be on this side of the camera.
I know it's not the usual preference.
Nope. It's not usual, but yes, I will do it for you.
It was really funny. I watched the control need
to control kind of kick it.
He tried to run away. Yeah. That's what happened.
This is not my comfort zone Yeah. At all.
But, you know, my personality profile, I mean,
I am the one that breaks the stagnation
or like a resistant,
like I'm gonna push it in that other direction.
Mm-hmm. You did force me to take a test to see
American compatible, even though
we've been friends for a long time.
Yeah. You did make me take a test
to see if we are, and we have worked together.
So I thought it was a little weird that I was demanded.
I was, I was demanded, yeah.
Demanded to take a test
and it took me, that test took me a good 45 minutes while I
was watching Titanic with my son and,
and my wife was like, what are you doing?
I can pull it up. What
are, what are you, what are you doing?
I love that. I'm taking, I am taking, I am taking a test.
I'm taking a personality test for Valerie.
You and I did it. And the, those are,
Did you learn anything about yourself?
Um, yeah, I think so.
But I do also feel like those, those tests are a little,
like, I can go either kind of which way.
And I always feel like I try to sp find a, a certain moment
where I did go one way or the other.
Mm-hmm. But there's moments where I feel both ways. So, so
You felt like there was maybe a fork in the road
that you skewed your results where you would
otherwise land in a different personality box?
I felt like a lot of the,
my answers were going towards one direction
and I just felt like I had to kind of mix it up
because there were times where based off the question,
I was like, no, I did sometimes feel like that.
So, and a lot of those questions
and then I didn't realize the slider was it,
it basically had steps, uhhuh basically some steps.
So I was like, oh crap.
I went back and I started after about five questions.
I was like, oh, you can actually tap a section on that.
So it kind of leads. Yes.
So the scale, the slight and scale. So, um,
So you came out as number one being,
oh, that's mine actually.
I'm gonna pull your results up.
And I'm like, I'm proud of you for doing it. Me too. Okay.
So number one was empathizer. Number two was coach.
And number three, which is super fun to know about you,
is Catalyst, because that's me.
You also break stagnation.
You also push people into action where they would
otherwise just kind of like, well,
I'm thinking about this now I'm gonna do that.
You push them into the doing, that's a skill.
And that also, this really helps with learning how
to better communicate with people
that you already work with.
Yeah. So the top one was empathy,
Empathizer, Empathizer.
I feel like that one's an obvious one.
'cause I always, I feel like I, I not self loath.
I do feel like I, I have empathy
for other people more than myself usually.
Yeah. I'm that person that we gotta hurry up
and go, we gotta go 'cause we're making somebody wait
or, you know, and it's, it's been a crux.
It's been a, an issue with, you know, with
Us. So me
knowing that to be true about you means that I would
better know how to identify that
and then recognize when you're doing that to like,
I don't know, it's almost like, I mean, I,
I have a very similar thing to you,
but it'd be like not in your best
interest every time. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. It's, it's definitely a detriment.
It's, it's, sometimes it's, I put others
before myself and then realize I have
To have some it osteo. Yeah.
It does cost me. Yeah. So that brings us here.
Let's see mine. Okay, so yours, empathizer, coach Catalyst.
And then mine was,
let's see, what was the name of the website?
This is high five. That's where we did it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Which was a, it was a good website. Yeah.
Right. So mine is strategist, catalyst believer.
So yeah. Anyway, fun to know. Mm-hmm.
So we were just kind of going back over the last
conversation because,
and I'll let you share this part about the questions
that you've received since you're a dad, you have kids, uh,
you have teens, well, really all different ages. Yeah,
Yeah, for sure. Um,
yeah, I think the, you're, you're, you're speaking
of the, my 15-year-old son brought up the,
he brought up the b what is the, the,
the correct term for the peptide?
Oh, BPC 1 57. Yeah. So he, I picked him
Body protection complex.
Is it? Okay. So I, I picked him up from, from wrestling
and he basically hits me with the dad.
Do you know what that is? And I right when he said it, I, I,
well, I believe that it was a peptide.
Yeah. And I said, yeah, I believe I do.
Why He's like a kid from wrestling once says
that he can get it for me because of my knees.
He's been, he has been injured in his knees.
And as some, as dad, I,
my knee jerk reaction was like, no, absolutely not.
That's not gonna happen. Yeah.
And then, and then I did because, just
because I not knowing, I just didn't know. And I
Just so unfamiliar with the product.
Yes. And he's a, a
Kid, he's, he's 15. Yeah.
Thinking like, if, are you injured or are you hurt?
Yeah. If you're injured, there's a problem.
If you're hurt, I feel like I'm, you know,
I was born in the eighties, I feel like you kind of put,
put some dirt on and walk it off.
But yeah. Hi, his, he, hi. He has injured his knees.
His knees are a problem. Okay.
Um, because he is doing wrestling now,
so he's never done wrestling.
So I felt like, well, maybe you just don't because you're 15
and you're jumping into it and you don't know how
to actually wrestle correctly.
My, yeah. So I'm just giving him, giving a bunch
of excuses on why you don't need to add that.
Yeah. And then I, I basically told him, I was like, well,
actually I do take some peptides
and I believe I, I don't even,
But you told him in that moment.
Yeah. I said, and we never really talked about that. Wow.
We never talked about it. He is all, and then he said,
are those those things that are in the fridge?
I said, yes, they are. And I basically, my excuse was,
I am two and a half times older than you
and I'm dad. That's what you
Told him? Yes.
That's what I told him. I was like, I'm old, I'm pain.
You know, and I've, you know, spoken to, you know, spoken
to a, to a doctor about it.
And then, you know, after your, our conversation, I
feel like maybe I was a little abrupt
and, you know, should have
maybe thought about it a little bit more.
And now after having more conversations, I feel like,
you know, it is something to talk about.
Yeah. Yeah.
And, and definitely like, knowing how to talk about it.
And like I was telling you off camera,
I get these questions from parents a little bit
for education, but also outta fear.
And, uh,
and then some of them in the category of, um,
make my kid a superhuman.
So, um, there's definitely a space in between
to navigate it.
I, I don't have kids,
but definitely for safety profile, these are not an FDA,
which, what does that mean?
There's a lot to say about it, except
that FDA is the language that doctors are trained to speak
and, and treat within, you know,
there's certain definition definitions
and guidelines that we're supposed to abide by.
But, so within like the, the realm of
off-label is, as we call it, so sort of going rogue,
but it's also in the supplement category.
Um, this is something that is relatively safe.
Now, the reason that you take it, there's different reasons.
It's supposed to have really good healing quality.
So if you have an acute injury, doesn't, you know,
it doesn't really so much matter, like where's the injury,
like your gut would benefit from it.
There's nasal spray options, there's oral options,
there's injectable options.
You can inject intramuscular for that.
You can also, um, just do into the joint.
Um, I do that, uh, if somebody has, like,
say they sprained their knee playing soccer. Is that what?
Wrestling? Wrestling?
Well for you, I think you're taking
Something. Oh, for me. Oh yeah. I,
yes, I,
and I'm telling him to suck it up.
And I am trying to do anything to fix my calf.
I was doing, uh, parents versus kids' soccer. That's
What it was. Yeah. And
I, I believe the first time I did it,
about a month ago, I tore the bottom part
of my calf, like below my calf.
Mm-hmm. And, you know, spoke to a friend of ours
that we know, and a pa and said, Hey, I, I, I hurt myself.
He's, he said, can you point your toe?
He's, and, and I said, yes I can.
The issue is when I lift my toe up, he said, okay, well,
better than my, my understanding is it's, I hurt something,
but I hurt the better of the two. Yeah. Um, kind
Of He's checking you for Achilles rupture.
Yes. I thought, holy s**t. I broke my Achilles.
I went and I was like, oh, is my achilles still there?
I've never hurt my achilles. And I was like, crap.
It was cold. Yeah. It was all that.
Uh, the next time, which happened, you know, four days ago,
the wife said, you make sure you stretch.
And I stretched and do the whole routine
and went twice as long playing soccer.
But I am 43 years old trying to run around
with these little 12 year olds and did it again.
I felt it. I was like, holy crap.
Is that, was it my right calf?
The, I, I don't remember,
but I felt like I was the right calf
because I do have some, like,
some little soreness in the back of my calf.
I still have it from a month ago. Yeah.
I did the same damn injury. Did both legs. Oh, I
Hate that. For you
Doing, doing the same thing.
So do I need peptides? Do I stick stuff
Here? I would without
even like hesitation give you the peptides.
I would do the BPC 1, 5 7 Wolverine stack.
I would, you know, I would, I wouldn't even think twice.
Right. The difference really with kids, I mean,
you just don't wanna do anything to interfere
with their development.
If you think about how much you change from like, day zero
to two years old, you know, you see a rapid change,
or like when you shift into, um, your hormones
and you become a teenager, your voice deepens.
If you're a male, like there's rapid change that happens.
And so anything
that you're giving would theoretically intercept
those natural processes.
So what are we doing? Not sure.
Um, you know, the way I really like, I,
like I said, just check more data.
So you could just check labs more often.
Like how are the kidneys doing? Are they impacted?
Like, you could do that. The body's pretty, pretty able
to heal itself, I believe.
You know, sometimes it needs a little bit of replacement
of something, uh, whether it's PPC,
which is a healing compound or, um, rest or whatever.
Like it needs a little bit goes a long way,
especially when you're at that age. Yeah.
And I am taking testosterone.
I don't know if we have public knowledge,
but I'm not just built like this naturally, but
Oh, okay. Okay.
I'm just, you know, you might think, might think he's
a, he's a stud you
Teenager is what I was thinking. Yeah,
Yeah. Like, oh, he's got a teen
body.
No, but, um, the, the testosterone obviously based off
of the doctor who educated
and knowing that I could take the Wolverine
stack and, you know, I
Totally fine together.
Yeah. So yeah. That, that feels, that feels well.
And then the, the, the kid situation is just, if it's,
I think the natural progression of, you know, be
as you know, was a teen
and knowing that there's still a lot for
Developmental Yeah.
More development. I didn't want to hinder that.
I didn't want anything to be an
issue, you know, do it today.
And then there's an issue in 10 years. Yeah.
I didn't wanna be a part of that,
but knowing that it's okay, it's, you know,
not everything to excess. Correct.
Right. And theoretically, peptides are short acting.
They're short term.
How much can they really,
how much harm could you do in a long term platform?
So if you are comparing hormone replacement, which hormones
cross into a cell, they control the DNA.
Like if you're playing a video game, I don't know
how to you play like this.
I don't even, I had like a, I don't know,
I was imagining like joysticks or so
Yeah. Or a we
this
Or Right. So,
so if you have a substance that has access to the DNA,
that's more permit, that's more indefinite, that's more
concerning and dangerous, theoretically,
and more likely to like intercept in a very long-term way.
Some process of development.
But if you're thinking peptides, they don't go into the DNA,
they don't modify that level.
Yeah. Hormones like testosterone or estrogen
or growth hormone, which I mean, I take all of those, but,
but, um, you know,
those are supposed to be cycled.
So, so if I don't want to, as an adult, if I don't wanna,
I shut down my body's ability to make those things.
Mm-hmm. Then in my case, I cycle.
So you can really get away with hormones.
Things that can access the DNA of a cell,
say six weeks, eight weeks at a time
before you should break,
or, uh, sometimes I'll do like a five days, a Monday
through Friday and then off Saturday, sunday.
So that's still that drop in the, the substance
signals the body to step up and make. Mm-hmm.
So, yeah. So you just don't do it for a long time.
You just give it a little jolt and then take it away?
Take it away, and let the body Yes. Kind
Of ramp it out. So the cells
stay alive, they keep the signal,
the sensors are still there.
The production system is still there
because essentially it's like a factory.
And so if you don't keep up the maintenance,
you don't keep the cells going.
The mitochondria, which produce your energy, they will,
they'll, they'll shut down production.
Yeah. They'll go to sleep. It's called autophagy. Okay.
The clearance of those sleeping ones is autophagy,
but if they're just sleeping, they're senescent.
So senescent sleeping cells are useless.
They're just taking up real estate. Mm-hmm.
There is no point.
And that's like a guy standing in the way of a hallway.
Like, move, move dude. Yeah. Walk through.
So that's kind of a good way to think about it.
And then if you're like, okay,
well I'm taking all these supplements
and I don't care if I have to make it myself.
So, all right, great.
So then those mitochondria kind of, they go
to sleep now you wanna clear them,
you wanna push the sky outta the way.
So that's where things like, uh,
exercise is super important.
That is good for turning, like moving debris
and turning over cells, especially if they're useless
and not, not working or needed, um,
the sauna, you know?
Mm-hmm. Just like ex red light. Yeah.
Red light exposure to, to extreme heat or cold plunges.
Um, and then you also get the feel good Yeah.
Experience with those. But the dopamine,
But is, are peptides, you know, guy talk, you know,
when somebody, when somebody talks about peptides, you hear
that I don't go to the gym like I should,
but when people start to know, oh, well Justin did,
does this, or even testosterone.
I, my understanding as somebody who's not a doctor was the,
the bro talk was your base, your testosterone's going lower
and lower, the older we get. Is that correct?
There's a natural drop after the age of 35. Yes.
Like significant, like a, a water slide.
Yeah. So I, my understanding with the, the people
who I talked about, you know, you didn't gimme my first dose
of testosterone, but was your body's basically
quote unquote dying.
It's going down. Mm-hmm.
And, you know, as a a 15-year-old, it's going up. Yeah.
I'm going down and I'm trying to just keep it at that level.
That's a great thing that you just said. Yeah.
Because if you can imagine like, when, if I were
to give a 15-year-old testosterone, then the signal
to keep making more, it would cap it.
Mm-hmm. So what he has is what he has,
his development is what he is.
And you know, what would really, so the main thing
after you stop growing,
'cause like, say you reach like 15, 17,
your growth plate fuses mm-hmm.
The frontal lobe where your decision making is,
where your higher exec executive functioning exists.
That is dull. You're kind of like, I, I think about that
and I'm like, I don't wanna, I don't know.
It seems super important. Yeah.
Yeah. And for this kid in question, I'm, yeah,
I'm not gonna do that because he needs
that lobe because Yeah.
He, he definitely needs that.
Uh, can I spitball a couple, a couple, like non non,
like frequently asked questions or Bro, talk about, yeah.
Testosterone. Yeah. If I take testosterone,
my body stops producing testosterone, is
that based off of how much I take? Or am i
It greatly reduces the amount that you make.
Okay. And is that a, if I'm not making any,
I think when I first, when I got tested, what is the scale?
I guess, what is the scale for testosterone?
I know the, the women's, the,
the women's scale is, is is lower.
Correct? Like high testosterone,
normal testosterone, whatever. Where is that supposed
To be? Yeah. So I,
for, for men by reference range,
normal medicine, boring lab, uh,
norms would be like 600 to 900. And
That's normal. That's
normal. Doesn't mean that people feel good mm-hmm.
At that range or that it's like perfect for customized care.
Yeah. But if you're seeing a regular doctor,
and this is what your results come back as,
then they'll say, oh, you're good.
And then there's probably no more conversation from there.
So whether you feel good or you don't feel good,
that's what it's normal.
Yeah. What, what is your magic number?
Or, I know I'm, I assume you can't box it all there,
but is if you saw, that's a good question.
If you saw a 900, are you still thinking,
Hey, it could probably be better?
Or how do you feel? Because the nu like you're saying,
my number could have been eight 50, but I feel like s**t,
The number one thing that I always, always try to
lead with is I'm treating the person, not the paper.
So the labs are insightful, they're helpful, um,
but they don't really give me the full decision.
The full decision comes from the person conversation.
How do you feel? Yeah. Do you,
do you feel like you have mental clarity?
Do you feel, uh, like your libido is good?
Do you feel like you're working out?
Are you lifting heavier? I lift heavier with testosterone.
How do you feel when somebody comes in, like a person
who doesn't like, there is those people that lift
and work out and eat well,
and then there's us, us the others who are busy dads,
you know, can't do, you know, maybe it might be golf.
Golf is, you know, is my new thing,
and I'm trying to make that health, my health,
my healthy, um, activity.
But when somebody comes in there, then they say,
Hey, I want testosterone.
And you look at 'em and you, you obviously can tell
that they're not at the gym regularly.
It's just not in the carts for everybody.
Not everybody's gonna be at the gym.
Do you, do you put them in a different box
and try to help them get to a point?
I'm a little aggressive. Okay. I'll tell you.
Can you tell 'em, you gotta get in the gym,
or you're not gonna get any of this, or,
It depends on the person.
Okay. So I'm not gonna go into you as the
specimen at this moment, but I do have another client.
Okay. We're not talking about me. I'm asking for a friend.
So, uh, you know,
sometimes it means I do send people from my team out to
that person, whether they're not getting their shots.
'cause they're like, oh, I forgot, like,
so inconsistent testosterone use is a problem.
Oh yeah. Um, you have like other issues that come up
with like estrogen, you know, rebound.
But if it's failure to load your muscles, then
I will, it'll just be a very annoying,
like, I won't go away.
Like, we have to, we have to like load your muscles.
So sometimes sending a trainer to somebody is my next move.
And it doesn't take long. It does not.
I mean, just say you did like 10, 15 minutes Exactly.
Something if you did that,
it is tremendously more beneficial.
Even like your, your lifespan is gonna be more,
so it's worth your time.
So if you're like, oh, if I, the act of going to the gym,
I mean, there's prem anxiety,
there's like procrastination that happens.
Like there's just so many things.
But even just the thought of you about to work out
and then say you did work out for 15 minutes,
you just did like low reps, so you did, you know, six
to eight curls
and, uh, you did that three times
and you did maybe some, some air squats.
I mean, it does not take much. It
Can be calisthenic though, right?
It doesn't absolutely be body weight. Yes.
You can literally do it at home.
Literally do it at home.
Don't make it a big deal, but you've got to do it.
And so the, I can't do it. I'm busy. All these things.
I'm like, I, here's what I hear. Wah wah wah.
W wah wa wa wa waah wa wa
We're not talking about me, right?
No, your friends. No. Yeah, my friend.
Yes. Yeah. But there's lots of people like your friends.
Yeah. Lot of friends. Yeah. Yeah.
And so, and so I really, it, it's part of I guess what I do
to navigate that.
And like, as I hear in conversation things that keep kind
of coming back up and I'm like,
okay, so this is the barrier.
I, I try to identify the barriers.
So if you're saying, well, I'm just busy da, and,
and your schedule's erratic.
Mm-hmm. Your friend's schedule's erratic. Right? Exactly.
Yep. So in that scenario, um, so what could I,
what space could I find that's consistent for you?
I mean, just walking down the hallway,
It feels like you don't want, you're not gonna find,
you're gonna find a place where you're,
there's not a No, you're
Not, I'm not gonna let you fail. Yeah, yeah,
Yeah. You're gonna find
your Yes. Lay, lay out your schedule.
Let me hear all the sh all the stuff you have to do. Yes.
And let's find a time where you can take 10 minutes
to do some body lunges.
Exactly. I mean, that's nothing. Yeah, that's nothing.
I've wasted way more time Yeah. Doing
That thing. And I, and I, and I
feel like as far as I've known you,
and I've never been, you know, you know, I,
I'm not this person, but I assume that you're taking, that
you want this person to genuinely feel better
and you know that Absolutely.
A magic peptide or a pill. There's not a magic pill.
Nothing. Yeah. So like the peptides will help
and the, they, the testosterone will help.
All these things will help. And you still,
you need to put a little effort in.
Yeah. You gotta what you put in you get back. Yeah.
Is what I, yeah. Because I mean, honestly,
your success is my success.
If you fail, then like, we failed. Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, what? Okay, we're gonna get an A plus. Yeah.
And even if, even if we make like a B,
that's better than the f you're trying to give yourself.
So just Yeah.
Identifying those barriers and,
and people aren't, you're not going, you're not going to get
where you're trying to go or really make any traction just
with one thing, one supplement, one injection, one product.
It's going to be probably with a team, you know,
surrounding yourself with the right recipe for success
and giving your body the right tools for success.
One thing is not it. Yeah.
Well, you definitely can't do 20 bad habits in a day.
Right. Or a week in a month
and fix it with one little thing.
Right. You have to kill some of those things off.
It's, I think it's impossible to do. It's insanity.
You can't do the same thing and expect a different result.
So you have to change a little bit.
And maybe not for some of my, like my friend,
the weak-minded friends, you know, you cut out, you know,
maybe cut out eating late or Yeah.
Eating before a bad thing that I, a habit
that I have is eating late.
Yeah. I love to eat late.
And I, and now I know that that is bad for me.
My sleep has been bad for years, you know,
from back and neck problems.
But just, why is my sleep so bad?
Oh, well, I ate at nine mm-hmm.
And I'm going to bed at 9 30, 9 45,
and my body is correct mm-hmm.
Processing that food. So I, when I'm supposed
to be sleeping, it's digesting food.
Is that right? Or is that a myth? Or am I,
There's a lot to
that and I, that's pretty different topic.
You know, I think we, it is worthwhile
to give it energy in a whole space,
but the short version is, it depends on the person.
The major conversation is really asking what happens
after I eat and if I go to sleep,
what happens when I go to sleep?
And it can, these two things coexist together.
So for some people it might be helpful for them to sleep
because you get insulin that goes up, uh,
it's called splenic dilation.
You get your blood vessels that dilate, they give more blood
to the stomach and digestion, rest and digest.
Some people like a bowl of cereal
or eating late makes them go to sleep.
And it's that spl splenic dilation
and the insulin that makes them feel sleepy.
Oh, for sure. I feel sleepy.
But yeah, I, you know, I eat some food. I eat a sandwich.
I feel sleepy. But is that helping my sleep?
Is the sleep better because of
That? It's not a ideal. Well, okay.
So your sleep might be good.
Okay. So say it helps in the sleep performance category.
Like your, you feel like that helps me go to sleep
and stay asleep, but in the space of longevity
and efficiency and performance
and, uh, your next day.
So, so it, it takes away from that. Yeah.
Just like, I mean, I think of it, there is a really good,
uh, podcast I listened to by, um, this,
he's a neuroscientist.
But essentially you're always kind of balancing like, okay,
I have this long, this many years
that I'm genetically predisposed to live.
And my lifestyle counts for, you know, the range of like,
say five to 20 years that you could add on or take away.
Mm-hmm. 'cause you can live hard, die young.
You can, you know, live slower, live longer,
but you're always kind of thinking like against that insulin
that is spiked.
And, and that remains higher.
You live shorter, a lower insulin.
You live longer, lower glucose, you live longer,
you sleep more deeply.
You live longer. If you clear out your cells more
and have a healthier mitochondria with, uh,
more autophagy, you live longer.
I think sleep's a whole different topic.
'cause there's a lot, like Totally is the, the, the,
the getting up and going pee as a 40-year-old and like
Prostate. Prostate. That friend.
Yeah. My friend says he wakes up
and goes to the bathroom a lot, so, okay.
And I, I know that's not regular, you know. Yeah.
Then some people, like, let's just say it's me.
Let's just say like, like I wake up, I,
I drink a big glass of water to go to bed.
'cause I feel like, oh, that's when I really take my water
in is right before I go to bed.
Why? I don't know.
'cause I don't drink water during the day.
Like, my business partner literally has to give me,
brings me water while we're on set, because I don't drink
Water. I used to be me. Yeah.
And I just don't, I'm like, I don't need water.
And then like, yes, I know that's bad. I understand.
That's bad. And you know,
my daughter bought me a nice little, uh, aala.
Yeah. That, that I can carry. I carry around, but I Sounds
Cute. A koala. What is it?
It's an aala. It's like the drink.
I'm gonna look that Up right now. Yeah.
It's like everybody has 'em.
Like, they're like, I definitely have a, like a and they're,
and they're, and they're great because they're, you can,
you can, it's a straw,
but also you can drink out of like a normal,
Like a sippy cup.
Yeah. It's basically a like an adult sippy cup.
But it also, you can drink out
of it this way, but then if you don't
Want, oh, it comes up as a baby something.
Okay. I must be listening. A wallow.
Uh, how do you spell it a s**t?
I think if you just look, uh, yeah,
I think there's a w Oh Walla. Oh,
Walla. Oh w yeah.
But you know, she bought me one of those
and I've had it for two years
and I usually will have it with me.
That that's nice. But I think carrying it with you isn't
as good as drinking out of it.
Like, just carrying around with me, you know? So,
Um, my partner has an awa.
I didn't know that that's what mm-hmm.
An AWA was or that it's a thing.
The colors are great on it. The colors
Are great. Yeah. You,
It doesn't fit into any couple or heat drops
It constantly.
Well they're, they're, they, they do make, if you like,
shop on Amazon or, you know, they,
they do make like adapters for that,
which is a big o pain in the ass, but an adapter for that.
But any, any water can,
canteen doesn't fit in anything normal.
Like Yeah. Some And your a wall is not gonna fit in
something that can fit into, yeah.
So, yeah, I think the water and intake,
but yes, drinking water before bed.
'cause I just feel like I want to, it's right by the bed.
The bed, and I drink it and I wake up three times. And then
Do you have your phone on you?
No. Oh. What time do you wake up?
I wake up at, I wake, I wake up multiple times a night,
but when I wake up it's five 30.
Okay. But I wake up constantly to wake up, you know?
Yeah. The pillow between the legs.
If we're gonna talking about sleep, the pillow
between the legs, sleep back, the back and then here.
Yeah. Wake up, touch my phone. Crap.
It's a, I go to bed at nine to 10 mm-hmm. 11 ish. Mm-hmm.
Sometimes I know that I have other questions,
but go to try to go to bed at the same time.
Mm-hmm. Like a routine. Yeah.
And I, I read that and I
was like, Ooh, that's, that makes sense.
Yeah. Go to bed at the same time all the time if you can.
Yeah. Go to bed. Call it 10 o'clock.
It's better for your, a circadian rhythm. Mm-hmm.
Rhythm. Rhythm. Yeah. So go to bed at 10. Yeah.
I'm up at, I wake up.
I feel like I got a, I I feel like
it's, I've been asleep for hours.
Mm-hmm. I roll over, I test my phone. It's two hours.
That's right. Okay.
So, yeah. But just, yeah.
But it's like, what time is it because is it, is it right
before I have to wake up or what?
Yeah. What effing time is it?
So I go and click and then I'm back and forth
and I'm grabbing my pillow.
That's long pillow that's right on the side of the bed.
Put it in between the legs, roll over, toss and turn.
Um, and maybe possibly go to the bathroom.
The bathroom, the bathroom trips have been less than mm-hmm.
But they definitely are still there. Mm-hmm.
You know, and it's just one of those things where I'm like,
I think I can hold it, but I have two more hours of sleep.
I'd rather just get this outta me and then try to relax.
It's such a habit to grab the phone and check.
It is such a habit. It's such a bad one. Yeah.
I mean, every time that happens, I would think,
think of that as toxic.
It, it literally is toxic
because you ruin your melatonin search
and then it just, in, in every loop of
that circadian pattern is just like, you,
you've just murdered it.
Yeah. And start all, you have to start again.
Yeah. So, um, I mean, to think of it in
that extreme is like, it seems crazy.
But now that we're here
and like, there's such a problem, I, I have trouble too,
just like resting, chilling.
Mm-hmm. Uh, sitting,
Being bored. Being
Bored. Just being bored. I don't even
know what, what is this?
Yeah. So, so I mean, just the, the touching
of the phone, looking at the time.
And then, you know, say, say you just stopped doing
that part and you just like slept through the whole night.
Well, what would that look like?
Well, drinking water in the morning.
So what would that look like? Mm-hmm.
Because you can't think about it. Well just wake up
and that's the first thing that you do.
So, set an alarm on your phone
that you have your wake up alarm.
Then you have your water alarm.
How, how is your sleep? How do you, oh, okay.
Well, last thing before, because
I'd like to hear your opinion.
Dreaming. I used to dream a lot as a child. Yeah.
And twenties, like vivid dreams. Mm-hmm.
You know, not a lot of weird dreams, but dreams. Yeah.
And my son will wake up and
he's like, dad, I had this dream.
I'm like, mother, I don't, I haven't dreamt ever.
And the only time I actually remember dreaming is yeah.
Waking up, checking my phone
and going back to bed for 45 minutes
and then boom, I remember my dream.
I feel like that's when I remember my dream. Yeah.
I re I will remember a dream maybe
two or three times a year now.
And I feel like I don't even dream anymore.
I don't feel like I get to that point
where my body even starts to dream.
Yeah. And then I'm waking up constantly.
I'm waking up two to five times a night. Yeah.
Going to the bathroom maybe once or twice and not dreaming.
I like, what is your sleep like? I know how my wife sleeps.
She sleeps like a damn rock. How do you sleep? Yeah.
I don't. Well, okay, so you don't sleep at all?
No, I, I do no sleep. No sleep.
I sleep eight hours, seven to eight hours.
I am a tyrant on myself now about sleep.
And if I break my own rules with myself
of going to bed, say it's nine 30
and I'm not in bed, I hate myself.
And I'm like, I failed.
And so that is, that is like my new protected space.
Because that's your longevity.
That's when you, that's, that's your, your
Brain body fix. I feel
like your body fixes yourself. Yes.
That's where like all that happens. Yeah.
Do you, do you put your phone away?
The I I read you put your phone away
an hour before or four, five?
Uh, at at, yeah. At length. Before you go to bed.
Not here, here, here. I'm on the phone.
I drop it on my head. Oh crap. Now I have to go to bed.
I put it down and go straight to bed. Yeah. I,
No, my, my phone is down. I
don't look at it past nine usually maybe nine 30 if I'm
really like, slacking on my own rule.
But, um, you know, to answer that question, I have had to
look at this ring to,
to better answer for myself because
What is that called? I, this
Is a ring con.
Okay. Alright. And GC C kind
Of like a, kinda like the whoop strap, but it a ring. I
Like the whoop, I think the whoop is more like stylish.
But this is, this is good.
If I'm working out, I don't like
how it feels with weights in my hands.
But, um, yeah.
I, I think I would've said subjectively
that I sleep great prior
to me getting like a tyrant on myself.
But I feel great and I sleep well. It's not a problem.
It's something else is wrong. Yeah. Right.
So, but then after I got this
and I actually looked at the real dad of my sleep,
it was atrocities.
I was like, I had, I don't know, maybe six to seven hours
or often even four to five hours of light sleep.
That's like, that's a sham. That's a joke.
I was just like, that is not, no one's healing.
No one's getting brain health in that. Yeah.
That's, you wanna get to rem is that
Want ideally four hours.
First four hours are gonna be your deep restorative sleep
and you wouldn't dream in that.
And then the second four hours is really where you rem.
And if you're depleted on sleep
or if you're depleted in really like your prior rems,
you didn't have enough REM sleep
or you didn't have enough deep restorative,
then you won't make it all the way to the REM sleep.
This is a space where you really see dreams
and you have like longer like pulses of rem
and then they shorten the next cycle is a little shorter.
The next one's a little shorter. And this is a shorter,
and this is the one that usually like, wake up from.
And it's really weird because in sleep, your,
your body is really like releasing these
chemicals that paralyze you.
And then they un paralyze you paralyze, you un paralyze you.
And some people with a disorder,
they get paralyzed and they wake up
And they Can't move. And they
can't move. That's a hypnagogic state.
It looks awful. I don't have it, but that would would suck.
Mm-hmm. But anyway, so I was not having that,
um, you know, proper sleep.
I was just all in like the light sleep zone. That's garbage.
Yeah. It's like a little cat nap. Mm-hmm. My cat, no.
So I just, I had to really like work on it.
And certain things like, uh,
melatonin can make you dream more.
Mm-hmm. Uh, they don't do that for everybody.
But I would say it probably does that for me. Yeah.
I did Ambien a long time ago. And
Did you like it?
Um, I, I was asleep. Yeah. For the whole night.
I didn't feel rested. Yeah.
I felt like it just put me to bed. Yeah.
And just kept me there. And then I woke up.
The, the issue for me is waking up tired.
Yeah. That's the worst, like
Hangover.
Nope. It What? Or really probably just like,
you didn't have the,
the deep restorative. You probably Okay.
Not, probably not, not drinking. I'm tired.
I'm, I'm going to bed Tired, exhausted waking up. Yeah.
And still feeling tired. Not
Feeling. So you stayed at, you stayed
essentially in the light sleep zone?
The one that I was in. I
Feel like that's where I live.
I don't feel I'm, I don't feel like I'm in rem. Yeah.
Is that like a co is that a common thing
for people nowadays?
Or is it just, is it just based off of just,
I think it's, it's easier to achieve light sleep.
If we're saying like, what is more challenging?
What do people struggle with the most?
They're going to struggle more
with the deep restorative sleep to like drop in.
'cause like, if you close your eyes, like
that's like alpha sleep.
And if you drop into your first layer of sleep, be sleep,
you want delta sleep, that's like,
it's a different wavelength.
If neurology has got like little stickers on your head.
Yeah. Delta, you can track it. It's deep sleep.
The waves of your brain are different.
Your mitochondria respond different.
Your energy shifts differently.
Is it all? So I'm a a are you a deep sleeper
or are you are like, do you catnap do you are do you wake up
At I never nap. Oh,
Well, like when you sleep, you know,
one little cricket at the door, you wake.
Oh yeah. Could something like pull me out of deep sleep?
Um, I, if I am,
if I'm like in my usual like
proper like Yeah, proper normal.
Yeah. Then, then if it's like probably like early,
early in the morning, then I might hear it.
But otherwise I would probably like
be more in the deep sleep. Yeah.
I, so I'm weird. I, I feel like I'm weird.
A weird case because I don't feel rested.
But I am a deep sleeper and I'm that person.
Like, I know there's some people that take a while
to kind of get in sleep.
I'm a put my head down. Like my wife is
like, brush your teeth babe.
Let's you know, wait up for me. I literally close my eyes.
I'm, I'm out. I am out.
That's such a life skill.
Oh yeah. I'm, I can sleep anywhere. Yeah. If I had to.
Um, but I also, like,
I've been notoriously bad at falling asleep at parties,
like full blown house parties.
And I'm just done. I'm tired. I I used to do that. Yeah.
I'm tired. I literally, there was a house party
and that I'm thinking about, we were at a party.
There was 40 people there.
I think it was like New Year's Eve.
And I literally went to the living room, laid on the couch,
I slept all the way through it.
And people came up, took photos of me. I I was out.
I would not wake up for that.
But when it's time to actually sleep
and get really good sleep, I just can't.
I, yeah. My kids are yelling,
screaming, did you hear the bang?
I don't, I don't wake up. I do not wake up.
I'm probably not a good, you know, home invasion.
We're, we're screwed. But I don't feel, I don't feel like,
I don't feel like I get that rest.
So Yeah. I, I get, I get to sleep fast. I sleep deep.
I feel like it's a deep sleep,
but I don't feel like it's restorative. Like you,
Yeah. So if,
if a patient like you came in,
I would just have to get more data.
So I would, um, say sleep
Study. Do you do a sleep study?
Do you send 'em?
So you can, you can, but do you
Like sleep studies As doctor?
I do. Yeah. Yeah. And we actually do them at phase one.
Really? So I know if you saw the rooms with the beds,
I saw the beds. We have all
The equipment. I asked
Her about that because I'm, you know,
I had some we can talk off 'cause Yeah.
I want somebody to poke and prod and figure out what real,
because you know, I feel like you, I can tell you how I feel
or like the things that I'm doing,
but I could be even just making, not making that up
and not giving you exactly the right info. But yeah,
That's in the subjective category. Yes. Yes.
Yeah. It could be subjective. So Yeah.
I didn't know they did that at phase. What is phase one?
Yep. Yep. It's clinical trials.
So we do pharmaceutical clinical trials.
We have different durations in different
pharmas that we work with.
The, the premise basically kind
of changes slightly based on which
company we're working with.
Uh, they could run anywhere from five weeks to 20 weeks.
It just depends which one. And
So clinical you're doing, you're testing meds
and seeing how they actually work.
Sometimes it's medication. Okay.
Sometimes it's just monitoring, uh,
looking at everybody's waves or their oxygen.
Okay. Uh, snoring, just, uh,
sometimes their behavioral studies, it just depends. Oh,
We could talk about snoring Second.
So, yeah. Oh my god. Well, snoring is a major part
of poor sleep. So,
And sleep apnea. And
All sleep apnea. So
it's very relevant too, when the conversation of
how am I sleeping, why don't I feel great?
So just everything that you told me now
that I would look at your, um, I would ask
to see your data from your, I'd be like, okay,
I hear you subjectively.
Mm-hmm. This is how you feel and
this is what your behaviors are.
But when you come back in one week,
let me see your watch data
or your, your, whatever your device is.
Yeah. So we look at that
Before you go on the, the, the ring, the watt,
the watch, the band.
Mm-hmm. There are, I do have an app.
I don't use it much anymore, but I do have an app
where you lay by you and it's not connected to you,
but it can, it can hear me grinding my
teeth. It can hear me
Snoring. You're a key snoring, key grinder.
Oh yeah. Hmm. Yeah. There's a lot, there's a lot to it.
We can unpack all that later.
But do you, like, is there one that it to me as,
as a non-doctor or a non-clinician, it would be nice
to be able to say, here, take the ring.
Take the whoop, I'm gonna send it home with you.
I want you to track yourself
for 30 days and come back to me.
Yeah. I'm sure that is not as good
as sending 'em to phase one.
And they do the, the, the sleep study, which is, you know,
Is that one. I think it's
for different purposes.
So I think, you know, you can still get really good
data just from a device.
And in fact, I have affiliate links.
I mean, I, I like the ring con.
I have, I like the whoop I have.
So you can make money when I buy this.
I would, I would make, yeah.
Sometimes I just give, I get discounts Right.
For people that I send. But, but you should,
But you believe in it though.
I believe in it. Yeah. I obviously,
But you're using it. Yeah. If you're using it. Yeah.
It changed my life.
So the fact that I just was, I'm a doctor
and I'm in this field
and I was the one telling my doctor I sleep great.
And then I was just like, grossed out
with the results of light sleep.
Yeah. Like, I'm a hypocrite.
So no, I felt, I felt like a total hypocrite.
But anyway, I changed it.
And in my case, I don't have structural issues of my,
my breathing airway so that I, and I don't snore.
Okay. I've asked, I've asked, I don't
Snore. I'm gonna ask Chris.
I have some videos like,
But I did evaluate, you know, myself for that.
And even like with your device, like my ring,
it'll show my oxygen levels.
So, um, if I have moments where I'm not breathing,
that'd be sleep apnea.
And so really less than 88% for a period
of time, that's a problem.
You know, you're, you're losing brain cells,
your sleep quality is terrible.
And, uh, obesity's a major side effect of
that high blood pressure.
Really, you can trace back a lot of comorbidities to that.
So, uh, diabetes, metabolic issues, PCOS, infertility,
there's so much.
So really like, I would say that'd be square one.
Like optimize your sleep. Are sleeping. Yeah.
How do you know, check your data.
I think the next time we do this, I think
because we're gonna, I think we're gonna glaze
over a lot of topics.
Yeah. And not, I, I think, I think most people want,
at least in my circles, the sleep,
I think really talking about sleep.
But in the snoring, there's so many different,
and then the devices, the, the tape, the tapes,
the apnea machines Yeah.
Devices that you kinda get sucked into. Yeah.
The straps, which I've done 'em all.
I've done 'em all as a self-diagnosed. I I've done it.
I I've done 'em, I've done the tape, I've done the thing.
Yeah. So those, those are nice.
And then like, I think a lot with where we're at in society
and in the world now, you know, stress.
Yeah. Stress is, I feel like stress kill. Oh, huge.
Yeah. And cortisol is
Business owner, Kids, you know, father, you know.
So I feel like, yeah. You know, cortisol is a thing
that I've been kind of looking
into, which I don't know enough.
Yeah. I don't, I don't know enough
to talk about it, but yeah.
I feel like I have a lot of
that, whatever that is, is, yeah.
You know, so, you know, I think that would be a topic for
I think the shortest version.
Just since you said cortisol, I mean, cortisol is good.
I feel like so far the conversation has been how bad it is.
Mm-hmm. We need it. I mean, what is it?
What, so cortisol is a hormone.
It's considered a stress hormone.
Uh, but really it's, if you think about it, it's like
that is the, it should be high in the morning
and low, like a kind of an s mm-hmm.
And then low at night when you go to bed,
when you rise up from, from sleep, uh,
you have like a energy boost
and then it, you know, it tells your body to wake up
and that makes you feel alert. And, and
It's not like adrenaline or is it like adrenaline?
It can't, it does act on adrenaline.
So, um, and you know, it's just one of those things,
like you don't want high levels of
that when you're sleeping.
Yeah. If you had a sustained cortisol,
then you would be looking into like
burning out your adrenals.
Like, then you're always like stimulating the,
the energy like fight or flight signal.
And then you get more fat oxidation.
And fat oxidation really just means like,
you're sending like all of these energy particles
to just trash randomly your, your mitochondria.
Yeah. So, so it's like the, it's not good.
It's good until it's bad.
Um, so if you have all of these like signals to, to fight
or flight and to go into like just push through this moment,
um, you're, you're not gonna just like rest and sleep.
What, what is if, if somebody has high cortisol?
Is it high body fat?
'cause I feel like the cortisol belly, like, it's like I,
I don't have a beer belly,
but I'm definitely not as fit as I was.
Yeah. Sorry. Funny nose. I de I'm definitely not as fit
as I was back then, but it's like, oh, my,
my stomach's not soft.
I've like, it's just hard.
But then I'm like, oh, it's
not hard because it's a six pack.
Yeah. It might be like a lot of cortisol. Is that, is that,
So there's kind of, there's a lot
of mixing of things there.
But is, so if you think of everything
as a signal, cortisol is a signal.
Mm-hmm. It's a hormone signal
and it does direct fat to certain parts of the body.
So if you see somebody who has a chronic state
of high cortisol, you will see fat directed to the belly
and to this little hump.
You ever Oh yeah. I seen it smell like a little low hump.
Yeah. So they have sustained high levels of cortisol.
So that means it breaks down fat here
and sends it here, sends it there,
it makes it central, central obesity.
I know some people that are like that.
And is that a, is that you have it or can that be her?
Can you it be passed down
or is it like, my family has like high blood pressure?
Is that, or is it just, is it case
by case? Person by person?
I would say most times it's really lifestyle. Okay.
And, and in general, you can think of it too, like this,
like there's 90 10, so 10% is your genetics.
90% is epigenetics. Okay.
So outside of what your family gives you. Okay.
Does that help? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And um, so for cortisol, like if you,
if you have a spike in your cortisol, like,
and you can get that just from like sprinting,
like that gives you a spike.
But if you have that, I mean that does,
that tells your immune system to, um, to boost up.
So you do temporarily boost your immune system.
So it does help you.
But if you don't, if you, if you just sustain in that,
that region, then you burn out.
Right? Yeah. Then it's like now you're in a chronic
inflammatory state, you no longer have the helper cells
that were now helping, uh, because they're, they've died.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And now you just have chronic inflammation.
Yeah. So it's like the aftermath of sustained cortisol
that is problematic.
And it also also intercepts with all
of your normal circuits.
So like your circadian pattern, um,
histamine can be also a trigger for cortisol.
Mm-hmm. So it becomes bad very quickly when it's not spiking
at the right time and stopping at the right time.
I can't remember who told somebody when,
within the last like month
or six weeks, basically told me
that they do not like stress.
They don't talk about anything stressful or important
after five o'clock in the afternoon or or six.
I agree that I do that.
It's like, Hey, we're not gonna talk about life changes.
We're like, we'll talk about that. No decisions.
Yeah, no decisions. Or life threatening
because like, I I, this is not the right time.
I'm either tired. Yeah.
And I cannot, not further life
and remember who told me this, but I
was like, that makes a lot of sense.
Maybe me, it might have been you. S**t,
it could have been you.
It makes a lot of sense. Like,
I'm not gonna do anything like at this time
because it will jeopardize, you know, maybe I'm tired,
I had a long day and I I not make a really sound decision.
Yeah. But then also like, I gotta go to bed in four hours.
Yeah. And we're gonna, you're, we're gonna have a stressful
conversation about life and kids and marriages
and blah and blah and blah.
And then all of a sudden then I have to go to bed
and then that's gonna screw up my, my sleep.
Yeah. Which my, my sleep has already screwed. Yeah.
But I've kind of defaulted
to like, let's talk about tomorrow.
Yeah. Let's talk about tomorrow.
No, totally. I think timing is everything. So, so no.
Can you tell my wife, can you tell
my wife to not I will. I
Know her. She's my friend. I'll
tell her, tell
Her. Do not bring up
anything important after five o'clock. You
Didn't tell her yet? I would. I
Tried. I tried because
I tell that I genuinely, like, that's one of my rules
for like behavioral modifications.
So don't look at your phone.
Even, even if like, I get it, I'm a doctor.
I know maybe this is like the most important
text or call it might be.
Mm-hmm. But they need to call 9 1 1. Yeah. Really?
Because you have to worry about yourself too. I
Can't just, yeah. I
tell other people drop dad's
Too early. Yeah. You can't tell
me to do it. Yes.
And then not do you, you have to do it also
I have, have to practice what I preach.
And I'm really working to be diligent with that
because I want to walk the walk, talk the talk,
and teach people that they can do it.
You can be an entrepreneur, you can,
you can have all these other categories that you perform in,
but you can't sustain your performance in these categories
and keep, you know, borrowing energy over here.
Mm-hmm. Like the Red Bulls are gonna stop working. Mm.
Like the classic, oh, I could have coffee at midnight.
That doesn't do anything to me.
You know how many times I hear that, I'm like, you know
what, you have a problem.
Yeah. I've, I am, I'm definitely that person.
I, I always say that I don't even,
I don't need the energy drink.
Yeah. I just like the taste.
Well, that was me too. Yeah. Taste. So
I love the taste too. Yeah.
But now I don't touch 'em. I see that as poison.
Like as poison. I like the poison. It's so good.
The fruity, it's so fruity and good. And coffee.
I love coffee, but I feel like it's habitual now. Yeah.
I just do it just for,
and I don't feel like it gives me a pick me up.
I had a cup today. Mm-hmm. But I think it's just a routine.
It's that thing that I do. Yeah. It reminds me of my dad.
The smell of the coffee. I do it with my wife.
We drink a, a CAA cup of coffee, maybe two. Yeah.
But then it's onto, I don't,
I've been getting better about the Red Bulls and the drinks.
I don't do Red Bulls, but Yeah.
Um, I just love the taste
and I just like, if I can find something that I can do
and just, I don't know.
It's, it's habit. It's habit forming
and it's gross that
I know I shouldn't be doing it. And then
It was not gross. No. Uh,
so ca Okay. Caffeine is not gross. Caffeine is
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
Yeah. Coffee is not gross.
But what's interesting is I did a gut health test.
I used volume and I feel like of all of them
so far, that one's my favorite.
It kind of makes it very clear, like, eat this,
eat never eat this, eat a lot of this.
Mm-hmm. Um, and so, yeah, so coffee was on my list of never.
And I was like, oh my God, that's so rude.
I mean, in my case, I actually don't mind now learning that
because I use a substitute.
I don't know where you put those bags. Yeah.
I use a, that's like mushrooms ground
Up. Oh, okay. Yeah.
So not the weird ones, but like coffee.
So that's my coffee substitute. Is
That what's in that? Yes.
Ashwagandha lion's mane.
Uh, and then the creamer is collagen powder protein.
So altogether it's like 10 grams of protein
and, uh, no sugar.
That's a little funky. I think it's
Maybe 'cause it's cold now, maybe 'cause Yeah. But
You know what's funny? I, I don't
Know. I don't want to say what
it smells like, but
It's better than all of the other options.
Most of them do taste like dirt.
But for me this was a good substitute. You can try it.
It's like a cold coffee.
Tastes like water down coffee. Okay. Yeah.
It smells worse than it tastes. Okay. Yeah.
It's got a little peepee smell to it. It's gotta smell it.
It's got a, it's got smell if you be
subjective and just smell it.
It's got a little urine smell to it.
And is that the creamer that you're putting in it
or is it the, the mushrooms. It's got a little
Peachy. So I, I don't
touch creamer.
This there's no cream is a collagen powder when
Maybe it is collagen.
I don't know. It it smells symiotic. Yeah.
We're not gonna talk about the brand, but it smells a little
N BCAAs.
That could be it. But maybe it's
'cause it's cold and I just, I don't know. But that's
Hilarious. Yeah. Well,
okay, well God,
we're going over so many topics. Um, we can
Always like, sort 'em out and you know, it episodes, but
The, the coffee's great.
I know coffee black is the way you're supposed to take it.
I can't do that, my daughter. And
Sometimes that's, that, that's harmful too.
Is it? It's too acidic.
Or if you have, uh, reflux
or if you have uh, like a gastritis.
Mm-hmm. Or you take too much ibuprofen.
Like it can be bad too.
What about the synthetic creamers?
The fat, like I do the sugar tandem.
I sugar, poison, sugar-free French vanilla, the big jug.
That's this big. Yeah. I love that.
It's poison ed.
I feel like you're, you're feeding your, um,
your microbiome.
Like little, the bad ones that are
Still, I substituted with
kimchi though. I eat kimchi after though.
Kimchi is good for some but not all.
And I, I used to really think it was good for all.
What would you replace? Because so yes, the wife
and I do the sugar free 'cause we feel like it's better.
It's not. So should we just do the, the standard stuff?
If you have to pick Standard. Standard not sugar free. Yeah.
I love Diet Coke. If you say I can't have my diet
Coke, you're gonna get punched.
I would later remove that from you so I don't get punched.
And maybe you just are, it's a better time. Ugh.
Yeah. The sugar free thing is weird
because you feel better about it but you drink more of it.
And I know the aspartame
and all, I know that those things aren't great for us.
It's really not even that. It's more just feeding the bad
flo at the bad bacteria that exists in your stomach.
You cannot have sugar free Diet Coke or anything sugar free
and still feel like not bloated.
You will have bloat period loads.
So this does not have a, a sugar free component to it.
Um, I just wanted to add, this is just not sweet. So is
There calories in that? Is
there like normal calories
Or, uh, low. Low calories. Low
cal. Yeah.
But, but really like you're adjusting your cravings,
you're adjusting your sugar tolerance
or intolerance that, that thing
that like makes you feel a little bit of dopamine.
Like oh this is a reward. It tastes good like carb craving.
You adjust that sensor so that if you have something that
say is the same level of sweetness that you have now,
you'll think it's gross later.
You do like go through like a detox process essentially.
That's okay. You know, you're always choosing your poison.
There's like a little bit of
Yeah, life is short. It is yolo.
You can make it longer. But who wants to be 85?
I would rather have a really good 65
than like the last 15.
My grandpa, I don't know if I ever told you
that my grandpa lived to 101.
It was 101, but
You better clean it up 'cause
that's gonna be a long stretch between, what was the age?
65. 65
And a hundred. Yeah.
Like that's gonna suck right here. Yeah.
This, this is the space I'm talking about.
Grandpa Bob did do really well
with like riding his bike and exercising.
He actually got hit by a car on his bike at like 85
and still rode his bike,
got his license taken away like in his nineties.
'cause he kept hitting s**t. But you know, he was a,
and he was a Marine,
you know, and you know, he was in the Navy.
He was like a solid, a solid guy. And my dad's still around.
He's kicking, he's, you know, in sixties and doing well
but was a smoker forever.
So we'll see how that goes. Yeah.
Um, but yeah, I think, I think uh, having some um,
remnants of, you know, a nice life.
Okay. So let me add to that. We're adding vitality.
Mm-hmm. That's the whole point of me.
I feel like vitality
because I'm working with all these old people
who they live past that age of as you said,
I just wanna live a good life at 6 65.
Okay. Well after that, what's your plan? Yeah, lot.
So that's where I'm kind of targeting is that, that your,
the future you so that your last one to three decades
are comfortable and you feel good
and you can, you can have your bike
accident 'cause you're riding a bike.
Mm-hmm. For sure.
Because other grandpas can't even ride their bike. Yep.
So That's what I want it to look like.
Gonna die. I think we should wrap well.
'cause that was only supposed to be meant
for like an hour or so. Oh
Wow. Well, it
was a great chat
and we have a lot more to touch on.
So thank you for being a sport
and sitting in the chair and thanks for having me.
More to come. Awesome. Thanks. All right.