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The podcast for high-level leaders carrying the invisible weight of the world.
If you’re a founder, executive, or high-ranking leader, you already know this truth: the higher you rise, the fewer people you can safely talk to.
Lonely at the Top is a sanctuary in the storm—a space where the emotional cost of leadership is named, and where relief, clarity, and grounded support are always on the table.
Hosted by Soul Medic and former psychotherapist Rachel Alexandria, this podcast dives into the unspoken realities of high-level decision-making: the pressure, the isolation, the doubt, and the fatigue. Each episode offers insight, emotional tools, and conversations with seasoned leaders who’ve learned to navigate the weight of responsibility without losing themselves.
Bennett Peji: [00:00:00] I was one of the shyest kids inherently all through elementary school, all through middle school, all through high school, most of college. I never Spoke up, I never let a group, like none, no outgoingness whatsoever. All my closest friends from college, will tell you, yeah, he is the ultimate follower. He just does everything to fit and not rock the boat
I'm never leading the, the, you know, the group, right? Until I realized that, you know, what my ability as I was in my last year of college to be highly adaptable that I could work with anyone in any community. no matter how different they are from me could be an asset if I actually retrained myself to speak about it and to speak up about it
Rachel: welcome to Lonely at the Top, a podcast for high level leaders carrying the invisible weight of the world. Because you know the higher you rise, the fewer people you can safely talk to. Here we welcome [00:01:00] founders, executives, and decision makers. Who feel the isolation and pressure that comes with power.
Lonely at the top is your sanctuary in the storm, and I'm your host Sol medic and former psychotherapist, Rachel Alexandria. Today we have with us Bennett Peji. He's the Executive Director of the American Institute of Architect San Diego. He's a social impact executive, brand consultant and creative director who specializes in community centered design.
Bennett has led organizations like the California Humanities, the Asian Business Association, the Filipino American Chamber of Commerce, and the Jacobs Center for Neighborhood Innovation. As a former San Diego Arts and Culture Commissioner, he helped shape the region's creative landscape. He served on the national board of A IGA and was San Diego Chapter president. Highly accomplished. Highly [00:02:00] charming. I am so glad we get to have this conversation. Welcome, Bennett.
Bennett Peji: Thank you. I'll take charming whenever I can get it. So thank you. to be here.
Rachel: Absolutely. I always love to start the show by telling folks how I know the person who's on the show. And we met in a really interesting way. I got to go on a tour that you led of the San Diego Convoy neighborhood sign that you, led the charge and design of. Can you tell us more about that? 'cause folks who aren't in San Diego aren't gonna understand any of what I just said.
Bennett Peji: The word convoy. So that is actually our Asian American, cultural and entertainment district of San Diego. uh, the city of San Diego, former council member, Chris Kate, the Asian Business Association, uh, their amazing board really [00:03:00] led the project, uh, into fruition. they honored me by asking me to be the designer, with a heavy dose of real deep, authentic community engagement. And that's the key. 'cause that's what I've always been built for that, even though, I'm a creative being a fine arts major, you know, in college, my heart has always been into making sure that the voices and stories of that are typically historically unheard, are represented in the built environment.
Rachel: So. The thing about San Diego that folks may not know is that every neighborhood or most of our neighborhoods have some kind of artistic sign that is somewhere kind of central to that location. So North Park or, um, mission Hills or, you know, I'm, I'm, I don't remember all of the neighborhoods off the top of my head, but
Bennett Peji: Order. Sure. Yeah.
Rachel: yeah.
So there are all kinds of neighborhoods that have a [00:04:00] sign that represents to some extent the community and kind of brings a, a certain kind of feeling. And you wanted to do the convoy sign a bit different. The signs usually expand over a whole neighborhood. Like they cro, they like Arch over a street.
Yeah. Tell us what you did differently.
Bennett Peji: Yeah. So actually, uh, of the three, the 400 projects I've done, they're all different. That's the point, right? I'm not here to be a cookie cutter designer to replicate anything that's ever been done before, but to really something unique and the reason that is key is 'cause I fully appreciate the fact that every neighborhood, every group, every community is unique.
And the only way I can honor that is to ensure I find the nuances and find a visual, a way of visualizing 6, 7 elements that, in combination, make that story completely one of a kind that can't be replicated anywhere else. 'cause that [00:05:00] combination of nuances doesn't exist anywhere else in that, but that particular neighborhood and that particular community. this case, it's the Asian American community, uh, made up of at least 14 different, Asian American cultures represented in San Diego, in the neighborhood. how do I make sure that a sign represents their culture as a bridge for folks to be inspired, to find out more about who they are, where they come from, and the history, the commitment, the passion that they've brought to the neighborhood and why they're there. but not in any stereotypical way. Not in any way that's ever been done, and certainly not in any way that any one of them have done in their traditional heritage cultures, because this has to transcend all of them simultaneously, and most importantly, has to appeal to not just us, our children and our children's children.
Because at the end of the day, any landmark sign, which this is, is 33 feet tall. It's gonna be there for, who knows, 50 years, a hundred years. [00:06:00] So, and the reality is, it's our children and their children who need to find connection in it to feel that, huh, it represents me still and I'm proud to be who I am.
Because look at that. There's something there that says, I seen.
Rachel: I was really struck. So I, I loved this tour. I mean, we went to go look at this sign, which is really remarkable. It's very tall and you were sharing a lot with us that I, I wouldn't have thought about like when you have to take money from a city and do something that represents a neighborhood, those of you in leadership already know there's gonna be a lot of people with different opinions and people fighting 'cause it's not the way they want it.
And you had more than just a neighborhood you had. A community that's made up of at least 14 different, very [00:07:00] tight insular communities. You know, people don't identify just as Asian, right? They're, they're like, no, I'm Filipino. I'm Korean, but like, you know, how did you, that just seems like a, a herculean task to get all these different communities to agree upon one design.
Bennett Peji: Yeah, it's a great question because if we were to only take the training we got as creatives
Rachel: I,
Bennett Peji: Field in school, none of this is taught to us. Right? The business side isn't typically taught to us. It's certainly not. The community engagement side is typically not taught to us. We're focused on the craft, which is plenty to focus on in and of itself.
Right. And you
Rachel: yeah.
Bennett Peji: the rest of it you'll learn on the job, which is, typical right? Is, is more true. The real training on the job that I got was being, vice president at the Jacobs Center for Neighborhood Innovation, if folks search it will [00:08:00] discover it's probably the most extraordinary and extreme version of community engagement in a urban renewal and development, endeavor that's been done in the country. Peculiar efforts of engagement to make sure that the voices of not just the folks who show up at designing workshops, design charettes community planning workshops, but the mom who has three kids who's working two jobs. Who has to make dinner, there's no way that person gets to show up at a community workshop because there's a lot of urgency.
And so what can we do to take care of their kids for them providing a great meal, professional babysitting, and an opportunity to meet their neighbors in a very safe welcoming environment so that the family feels welcomed and they basically get to understand it collectively. different as our backgrounds are, as different as our experiences have probably been because we have family, we share [00:09:00] the same values of creating a safe, welcoming space for them hopefully beautiful.
That's hopefully has the open space and nature and great amenities and, schools and parks and all those things that's like shared common platform. if we can first agree that we do agree. now let's talk about what that ends up itself to look like. Right. So my job is never to be the expert in the room about the ideas, about the values, about the stories.
They are the experts of their own story. My only job is to help them get it realized and implemented
Rachel: What is that like for you? I mean, you are the person who's saying, I need to get us all to agreement, and I also have in mind what is good design? is that kind of a lonely position? It sounds like it might be. I
Bennett Peji: It might be, and I'll certainly give you a little bit of my childhood background, which
Rachel: Okay.
Bennett Peji: perfectly lends [00:10:00] itself to who I am today,
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: the world, and my clarity of vision and purpose. but. it's not lonely. When I recognize that I can speak to a group of people and say, we've been giving what could be in a decade opportunity or maybe a once in a lifetime opportunity a statement. So we can either choose to recognize that, fragility and to work together to make something happen, or else the funding will go somewhere else and we will have missed the entire opportunity and we'll get nothing for it if we, don't agree to agree ultimately.
, It doesn't mean I want anyone to compromise. I still want them to feel fully recognized and fully appreciated and fully represented authentically, so then it's on my shoulders as a designer to make sure that the interpretations. Are inspiring and [00:11:00] magnificent if they honored me with their authentic stories, right? That's on me. That's a creative souls life journey . And you could say that could be lonely cause that is a heavy weight, When you get to do it once. It's not gonna be done again, typically in, a lifetime. and so how do we make sure there's no regrets about it? And the only I can help get there sure that everyone involved. Is involved like from the get go, like from a blank slate, not from a, I've done three designs, pick one oh, and then hope that it has lasting value. Right? That's not the process.
The process is literally from a complete blank canvas, which be the scariest thing for a creative person or any
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: for me, loving the blank canvas. In fact, I live for the blank canvas. I live for the I'm the most comfort you'll probably ever meet because I was [00:12:00] raised in a very way that forced me to learn to not just, accept change and ambiguity, but seek it that my most comfortable place. But I don't know what's coming next because I know I am prepared for whatever will come next.
Rachel: Hmm. Well, it's extremely intriguing and I wanna get into that if you wanna share about it. I just want to observe or reflect back to you that it sounds like you've taken what could be a really lonely process. like a, a really kind of, oh, I'm at the top and I have the weight of these decisions, and found a way to always share the load with the community that you're doing it for.
Bennett Peji: Yeah, that's
Rachel: That's very smart.
Bennett Peji: that's beautifully said. 'cause that is it. That is it really. If I think more, in any way, even slightly more important than the com, any rep community folks that I [00:13:00] represent than I am lost, literally I am a servant designer, servant, community person, leader for sure. whose only job is to get my constituents recognized and appreciated.
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: and is it. So shall I tell you about
Rachel: Tell me, tell. Yeah. I'd love to hear whatever you'd like to share about what prepared you to become this kind of leader.
Bennett Peji: yeah. Thank you. my parents immigrated, myself and my younger sister to the United States when I was just two years old and they didn't know anyone in the us. So on that boat ride, I have always imagined that, oh my God, my mom must have been terrified with a 2-year-old and a baby with no friends, family connections at all in San Diego from the Philippines where I was born, and where, you know, they were born on the entire boat ride, leaving their family, their friends, everything they know to come to a new [00:14:00] country, not to make their lives better because my mom is educated. You know, my mom had a, solid, career. But to create an opportunity that her kids would not have from where she was coming from and to provide it in the United States. That's, I owe everything, right? There's an old adage that goes once grandparent, uh, becomes a soldier their child, can become a merchant or business person so their child can become an artist,
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: right?
The transition from need, immediate need, creating opportunity to having the opportunity and doing something creative with it, once you have that safety net created, And so my dad joined the US Navy, he was the soldier,
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: my shoulders was to be the merchant or business person to create the stability and economic, stability or prosperity in the
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: so that my children could be artists.
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: Well, I didn't have the patience to wait for my [00:15:00] kids to be the artist. So I am a designer, which is both a business person and an artist in what generation now. Having said that, it's our artists, right? Musical theater, designers, artists. So they are very creative and they've been creative their whole lives I was blessed to be able to create a platform with my wife who's an architect from Tijuana and an interior designer in the United States, A platform for them to, think outside of the box.
We moved here and because my dad, was transferred many, many, many times, I did not actually finish out a school year in the same school until sixth or seventh grade.
Rachel: Wow.
Bennett Peji: Kindergarten, first grade said all the way up. We moved somewhere in the middle of the school transplant.
I just got there. I'm making friends, and now we're leaving again. to
Rachel: Ugh.
Bennett Peji: bullied at the new school. I better learn to make friends very fast time knowing I'm gonna be leaving them too. Right. How do you create a connection and, and a safety net circle [00:16:00] instantly that you will lose that tribe and have to do that over and over and over again from the moment you started school from first grade on? That's a crazy thing. That is the definition of being lonely, And being on your own and not having any sort of continuity in one's life,
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: of course, no other community or sense of That is it all started. The upside is I realized, and I was one of the shyest kids because of all that, all through elementary school, all through middle school, all through high school, most of college. I never spoke up, I never let a group, like none, no outgoingness whatsoever. All my closest friends from college, will tell you, yeah, he is the ultimate follower. He just does everything to fit and not rock the boat
right? When we're hiking, you know, camping, I'm always [00:17:00] trailing, right?
I'm never leading the, the, you know, the group, right? Until I realized that, you know, what my ability as I was in my last year of college to be highly adaptable that I could work with anyone in any community. no matter how different they are from me could be an asset if I actually retrained myself to speak about it and to speak up about it
Rachel: I gotta know. Is that something that you just learned on your own, like this just spontaneously occurred to you? Or did you have someone help you see this?
Bennett Peji: Great question. I learned it on my own. what happened was The happenstance of the fact that I got a lead do the branding project for a phone company in my senior year in college,
Rachel: Wow.
Bennett Peji: right? a corporate account from someone who had never had even a freelance job in their life, So I never had to deal with a client or customer in any way. So I literally kind of [00:18:00] took a deep breath and I said, if I am going to have any chance of honoring a client, if I get it, I didn't have it. First of all, I had to get it. I had to figure out how to sell my services, and then if I got it, I would need to honor the relationship. and make sure I guided it properly. this was all pre-internet, right? This is 30 plus years ago.
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: Uh, went to the library and checked out every book on this, on leadership and on on branding, on
Rachel: Wow.
Bennett Peji: that I could possibly find. I think it had to be 25 or 26 books. Read them cover to cover, right? taught myself, the process, the methodology. before every meeting, I mean, every meeting I probably rehearse every line 50 to a hundred times in front of a mirror at my house
Rachel: Wow.
Bennett Peji: meeting. Just grunt. I mean, just doing it the, the hard way, without
Rachel: No, that's pretty much, I think that's the way you gotta do it. That's what people don't realize. Like it is those [00:19:00] practice hours. You know, you did it the way it needed to be done. It's some real, Barack Obama stuff. That's what I always heard about his speeches, right? That he just rehearse and rehearse and rehearse and rehearse and rehearse.
Bennett Peji: In combination with the fact that I started to appreciate the fact that, huh, you know what? When you transferred schools in elementary school to one school after the other, and these were all in underserved communities, by the way, right?
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: the environments, right? somehow you survived. You didn't get butt kicked, you didn't get kicked out of school,
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: become an outcast.
You somehow figured out how to fit in. You could do this, Even if you've never articulated it inherently, somehow you build up the muscle to do this. And so that was my own way of building out my own self-confidence make the pitch and the presentation to companies and, you know, go for it. other words, overcome the fear that I've never done this before, because I realize that I've done many, [00:20:00] many things I've never done before and somehow survived Anyway, just do it. And so I realized, and I captured and I institutionalized in within myself. The just try it and just do it. Attitude from that point on. Just, you know what you don't learn, but, but by doing right, just go,
Rachel: That's remarkable. I mean, you know that, right? That for you to have this realization, drive yourself, do pick up all this learning, you know, glean things from what you read and turn it into a lesson plan, an action plan for yourself in college. You know, that's pretty remarkable, right?
Bennett Peji: no, I don't. It was just about survival for me. Right. It wasn't anything that I thought was like grand. It was necessary. I just
Rachel: Uhhuh? Huh?
Bennett Peji: what the work was. But you're reminding me to reflect and honor something else That I probably didn't fully appreciate then, but I [00:21:00] do now. And it's the fact that my culture, my Filipino culture and my family culture so empathetic in giving. Even if I'm doing something and someone's gonna catch me that, Hey, dude, you have, I'm catching you, you haven't done this before, have you or whatever, you know, calling me on something, they will see that my heart is in the right place.
I'm not here to bullshit or get something off over you. I am here to actually provide a legitimate service and to be of value. I haven't projected myself in a way that says that because I never done it before, know that that is my intention, please give me a chance because I am absolutely committed to providing value.
Rachel: So you grew up with a culture, even just in your family and your, your inherited culture of generosity towards trying things. That's what I'm hearing you say.
Bennett Peji: Yeah, my mom was literally an assembly line [00:22:00] worker when we immigrated
for a factory.
And then she was a preschool teacher 26 years in the San Diego Unified School District, literally, you know, with three and four year olds for 26 years until she blew out her
Rachel: Um
Bennett Peji: picking
Rachel: hmm. Oh, I'm sorry about your mom's knees.
Bennett Peji: She's had them replaced. She walking fine now.
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: probably okay now, let's say,
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: traveling. But imagine the patience and the empathy required to be. A teacher, not any teacher especially,
Rachel: Preschool.
Bennett Peji: a preschool teacher, right? Where the entire world of a preschooler is their, that they're it, they're it. Right? The, the world is just them. And so how does one become so, so good at saying, yes, you are the most important being in your world, and I'm here to make sure it's a safe, protected world where you [00:23:00] can learn in, right? That's what
Rachel: that's kind of what you bring into your leadership is what I hear. You're, you have that in your heart when you talk to people who are part of the community that you're designing for.
Bennett Peji: thank you for, for articulating that. Yeah. And that it's all due to my mom. A hundred percent.
Rachel: It always comes from somewhere, you know what I mean? Like, I, I heard your, your story and it's not that you can't be kind of a genius at self-actualizing. You know, I, I resonate some with that. There's a lot that I have learned that I didn't get from another person, so to speak. I just, took in the information.
I would say from spirit. You know, I was spirit led but a lot of it, there has to be something that comes from somewhere to buoy you and I, so I, I love that combination of just your own particular genius for, figuring it out, for like directing yourself and applying yourself [00:24:00] combined with your cultural expectation that people will receive you generously if you try and fail.
Which is that, talk about an asset. That's amazing. I, I wish everyone got that kind of experience of just like, if your heart's in the right place, you can just try things and people will know that it's okay that you didn't do it perfectly and that you're attempting and they will help you. That's. Oh, that just makes me so happy.
That is a wonderful thing that you are putting out into the world as a beacon of that energy.
Bennett Peji: Thank you. Well, I've always, the way I think I say it in a community,
Rachel: I,
Bennett Peji: is I am not the expert in the room. There's no way, in fact, I can know it all. There's zero chance. But collectively, we are together. can figure it out,
Rachel: yeah.
Bennett Peji: of the energy and The passion and knowledge. In this room, we can figure out pretty much anything.
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: general give you the categories of expertise [00:25:00] that we need to lock in. And when I say it, you'll, you'll recognize what they are. There's. People right? Society, demographics, social. There's economic expertise. Someone who knows finance and economy and, you know, and, and how to justify this. The business value, technology and innovation expertise, right? Who's got that in the room? Right? Someone. And if we don't really bring, we'll bring someone in because we gotta have that too. We gotta have all of these, right? This is the, this is the formula, right? The natural environment expertise, who is aware of air quality and, soil, so, and noise pollution and things like that, right? Someone's gotta be an expert in that. And then of course, politics and legislation. Someone's gotta know where the, trends for those are happening and how are we gonna be on the right side of it? And how to also take advantage of opportunities in legislation. Those six categories, if we have an expert in every one of those, and that's [00:26:00] what's my job, is to nurture and make sure that we have the right. Team and breadth of expertise in the room. nothing we can't accomplish.
Rachel: Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna have some challenging questions for you.
Bennett Peji: Love it.
Rachel: What is a leadership decision or season that really tested you?
Bennett Peji: Mm-hmm. Well. I'm caught up in the story of when you say testing it, it's my entire childhood,
Rachel: yeah.
Bennett Peji: right? And so, my brain first went to all those years of experience, right? Those were all tests of being the new kid on the block on a regular basis in constantly changing environments. maybe a more recent one would be when, if I'm vice president and not the president, right? There is the need to make sure that I honor the CEO's vision for the organization first. and so a challenge might have been, and was, was the CEO built for the level of community engagement that I'm [00:27:00] built for? Right? Just speaking honestly, because here's the thing, I get that most leaders, especially the CEO. It's often expected to predict the future in order to make a plan towards being positioned properly for that future. I have never thought that way about anything. Right? I am, my mind, I know I could never predict the future.
A so I will never try to predict the future. But what I will do is create an environment and a team capable of dealing with the future as it comes. it is a very different way of leading.
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: and, and so I, I've admitted from day one. I can't predict the future. I'm not gonna try, if the six areas of expertise are in my team or in the room, I bet we have a better chance of being right that wrong. About the future because all those trends, one of us, one of them will catch it if it's in technology, if it's in legislation, if it's in, [00:28:00] you know, social and demographic changes. their job is to inform the rest of us. So none of us are caught off guard in their expert area. Right.
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: So collectively creating that complete team is a difficult challenge. It takes work and having, or boss or trust that that is as legitimate a team building teacher as quote, predicting the future,
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: is a tricky thing cause business schools don't teach us typically to go in that direction. It's about having all the data, all the research to predict the future as much as you can. that's not even a consideration for me. It's building the team that can deal with the future is my priority.
Rachel: Mm. And so being in a position where you're working with someone who wants the other way of working could be really challenging.
Bennett Peji: Yeah. [00:29:00] Because I think everyone would agree, not only is future uncertain, it's getting more uncertain on a daily basis.
Rachel: You know? Has it always been uncertain? Probably it just worked out in ways that we thought it would.
Bennett Peji: Yeah. And, and because we were prepared or we got lucky, whatever, you know, whatever it is, I'm all about whatever
Rachel: I,
Bennett Peji: and have learned that not only to embrace change. But to consider change. Good. In
Rachel: hmm.
Bennett Peji: In fact, very good. 'cause here's the deal, if there wasn't change, we wouldn't need leaders. People would just be fine doing what they've been doing because nothing's needing. What do you need leaders for if it isn't to figure out how to manage change?
Rachel: Hmm. That's an
Bennett Peji: I,
Rachel: point. I'm gonna reflect on that one.
Bennett Peji: yeah, please do. And
Rachel: I,
Bennett Peji: gone to the other edge. I'm literally so all about that, that [00:30:00] look for change. I
Rachel: yeah.
Bennett Peji: opportunity see where we can grow because something is changing. Because if nothing is changing, the opportunities to grow are very limited because someone's locked that in, someone's covered that, you know that category or gotten that market share, whatever it is, if it's not changing, those that are in will stay in change is the only way for those of us who are not yet in. To have a chance to benefit from it
Rachel: I love that. I think that's really interesting you know, for me and for everyone listening to contemplate, we only need leaders because of change. So getting more comfortable with change is such a prerequisite for being able to be a good leader.
Bennett Peji: Okay, so now I'm
Rachel: Alright.
Bennett Peji: how by upbringing and the way I live now keeps me in that mindset of change.
Rachel: Okay.
Bennett Peji: I try to eat at a different restaurant and a different meal every day.
Rachel: [00:31:00] Wow.
Bennett Peji: I have a TEDx talk on it where I led with that notion that eat at a different place every day. Right. And don't need to yelp it, Google it, or get referrals.
It doesn't make any differe go out your door. Turn right, the first place you haven't been to before. Eat there. Introduce yourself to the owner or the manager. Ask what's special about this place. Ask for their recommendation. Don't need to look at the menu. Embrace change and unknowing. Let them serve you. Enjoy it. Ask their story and do it every day,
Rachel: Okay, so I have a question though. In San Diego, if you're, so you're doing this one at least once every day.
Bennett Peji: 300 times a year, let's say.
Rachel: How many restaurants are there in San Diego? At what point do you run Outta places?
Bennett Peji: Well, so this is what I, my office used to be in an area called La Jolla.
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: I, my office and my staff was there for like seven years and I joked to them, you know what, we've eaten at every restaurant already. Let's, we gotta go to another eating district. So we moved to Little Italy.
Rachel: Okay.
Bennett Peji: And we were there
Rachel: You moved your office.
Bennett Peji: Yes, [00:32:00] absolutely.
So now it's like seven or 10 years that we were there, and we've been every place so many times. Where else we gonna go, oh let's move to the Gaslamp quarter, which is the other eating district. Right. So that, you know, every neighborhood has multiple eating districts. and I used to, at my highest level, had 22 people all a different culture or country.
Rachel: Wow.
Bennett Peji: So then I would say to them at the beginning, take us to your, the restaurant that you feel reflex your culture.
Rachel: Mm
Bennett Peji: But after you run out, that's only 22. Right.
Rachel: mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: So now I've acculturated them into trying everyone's cuisine and that they love it or not love it. didn't die. They, you know what I'm saying?
Rachel: You know? I gotta tell you, childhood, Rachel would have hated trying to hang out with you. 'cause I was such a picky eater.
Bennett Peji: Oh my kids. Absolutely. Pasta [00:33:00] and chickens, Until we took our daughter, now I'm gonna forget how old she was, but I'm gonna say maybe 10 years old. 8, 9, 10 years old to Tulum, Mexico, which
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: beautiful
Rachel: I've been,
Bennett Peji: in
Rachel: yeah.
Bennett Peji: near Cancun. And because there are no McDonald's and because there are no American chains in Tulum, Mexico, this exotic, you know, town, there were only these restaurants with tasting menus that we would go to.
Rachel: mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: so 8, 9, 10 courses in a dinner,
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: of aisle. Right. And because she got hungry, she had to eat that. 'cause that's
Rachel: Yeah. Yep.
Bennett Peji: end of the trip. She literally said, oh my God, I didn't know food could be like this. Amazing. From that point on, her palate has been one of the most adventurous palates,
Rachel: That's great.
Bennett Peji: right? And says, all my kids, my older daughter in the last year and a half of school, I would say 18 [00:34:00] countries in while in college
Rachel: wow.
Bennett Peji: hunger for culinary and cultural knowledge and foods and exploration and, seeing the world. You know, they would love to check off the box that I talk to every country I can, travel to in my lifetime. You know, that's like a goal. And so what I spent is not everyone has the resources and the luxury to do that. know what? I guarantee you, there's at least 75 cultures and countries represented in your backyard.
If you live in any decent sized urban neighborhood
Rachel: Yeah. Uhhuh.
Bennett Peji: is in your own backyard, just go to the different neighborhood and explore. They're already there. It costs you nothing more, but a little openness of mind and a little driving to a neighborhood you haven't been to, you will have a world travel experience in your own city.
We can all do that. all possible.
Rachel: Well, I know my fiance will absolutely agree with you. That is one of his big loves. He moved here from Portland [00:35:00] and you know, it took a little while for him to begrudgingly agree that San Diego also has a, good diversity of their, uh, restaurant scene because Portland is so many different things.
Bennett Peji: I guarantee you it's on par.
Rachel: I think so too.
Bennett Peji: just doesn't know it yet
Rachel: I know you and he can talk about it.
Bennett Peji: The whole East County, you know, all over this region. Literally everything is represented. Yeah.
Rachel: Okay. So on the podcast we always like to talk about when you're at the top, no one sees your balance sheet of burdens. But with my guests, I like to ask them to open their private ledger. So if you're game, I'd love to hear one cost that you paid for being in leadership.
Bennett Peji: Yeah. it's the fact that I got into my career as a designer having had a fine arts [00:36:00] background the graphic design degree as well, and that I taught at the university for a number of years. The fact that once I got into a leader and I had staff, and then now as executive director of the American Institute Architect San Diego chapter, I don't do any designing. So the thing that allowed me to be in this professional world, I don't actually do any of it behind me. You can't really see, but there's a whole series of my paintings, my hyper representational, realistic painting you know, my, my mom used to be able to say that, God, you can paint anything you see just the way it looks.
Rachel: Hmm. Cool. I was taught that, yeah, that's not that creative. Be more impressionistic, expressionistic. 'cause technically
I
Bennett Peji: can paint anything I see if I wanted to be photographic about my paintings. But the soul of what you wanna put on the world is making observers see the world differently through your interpretation of the world. Not your literal representation of the world, but an interpretation. That's [00:37:00] what makes an artist an artist, right? Your interpretation of how you see the world. For others to be enlightened by that different
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: whereas a designer's job is to clarify the meaning of the world, tell viewers, this is what we think you should believe in and agree to
right so that you'll purchase it or you'll attend the concert or whatever.
This is
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: the, the value you'll get and that's why it's on the poster. Whereas an artist doing the poster would say, I'm telling you this is the way I'm gonna look at this artist. But you can have your own way and interpretation of it,
Rachel: Do you miss that?
Bennett Peji: Absolutely.
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: totally miss being. Creative maker,
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: things, right? Or there's the tangible result of my own brain and hands resulting in something tangible that I myself invented opposed to being a purely and always collective initiative.
Rachel: Why did you choose then [00:38:00] to move into leadership or stay in leadership?
Bennett Peji: Yeah. it was as much happenstance as anything. when I was a young designer, I was fortunate enough through my own creativity to win a whole lot of early awards, international and national awards for designing. And because of it, the local, industry association recruited me and said, would you like to join our board? Thinking frankly, that I was older than I was. Why was I winning so much awards and visibility? But I was like two years outta school.
Rachel: Wow.
Bennett Peji: But because I had started my business in school, I had clients and projects galore, right? For my senior year,
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: and had a lot of clients and had a lot of, projects win recognition. I was recruited only for them to find out I was a kid,
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: but what happened was that the chapter as many industry associations do, and especially now more than ever, are [00:39:00] always struggling for membership,
communicating that value, especially to creatives who are content historically to do things on their own.
Like the whole, know, needing to network and socialize thing. You know, that's often a distraction. Now sociologists say that 5% of any community are the responsible, the ones who get out there, make things happen, do things right? Just like on all of our nonprofit boards, it tends to be a handful of people to do all the work of the entire board because they're the responsible, So for granted, it's a filtered group of responsibles on a group, but they also recognize that there's no solid foundation for the association without getting the other designers to be part of it. And so we created the first national conference in the region lemme take a step back. So then they asked me to be president because really we had no money in the bank and there's nothing to lose. And, uh, veterans didn't need to do it. You know, they've created their legacy in their careers, but [00:40:00] bless their heart, they're still big-hearted community people. So we all collectively said, let's put on a conference.
Why not? Because the cost of going to conferences in New York, Chicago, San Francisco, everybody itself is onorous for us. But you know what? We think we invite them. Great speakers will come to say, why don't we try it? So we put on the very first design conference in the region, almost 30 years ago, 28, 29 years ago, sold out, went on for 27 straight years.
Rachel: Hmm.
Bennett Peji: Crazy, right? So after that first second year, they asked me if I would be president. And that's what we invented, that conference. And so I was forced into leadership because no one else would do it.
Rachel: Ah, okay. So I was like, yeah, I was like, they invited you, but you didn't have to say yes, but you did it because the thing would die if you didn't.
Bennett Peji: I don't know if that it would die, but yeah, no one really wanted to do it because why would you want to lead an organization that doesn't have enough money for the scholarships and the [00:41:00] events and all the good things that association should be providing to its members? Well, I wasn't able to do that until we figured out how to make money and the money was doing a conference where people would come into San Diego and we sold it out and I think we had a, a lot of money in the bank at that point that success if I am going to actually the impact I want to make, Hey, I'm the first born, so this is part of the story, right?
I'm the first born four kids. So part of the story is you have to represent and model. What your siblings, and everybody needs to be, because that's your role in lot, lot in life, right? So modeling it, as the president of the local chapter and having a board that allowed us all to be successful for our members then allowed me to get elected to the national board in New York over helping, being part of overseeing the 72 or so chapters we had nationwide, which is also a tremendous experience, and that is leadership without anyone caring whether [00:42:00] you're a good designer or not, never even brought up, right?
And these leadership roles, your talent is irrelevant. It's your ability to communicate the value of the profession. That's everything, And to get sponsors supporters to support, that mission. And, and that seems to be something I happen to have a knack for. and so I just realize that, that I am better. I can't ignore the fact that it's probably the more important role for me to take on.
Rachel: Yeah, that makes sense. And I, I hear the sacrifice in that and I also hope that it gives you something, even if it's something different, it gives you something to be in that role and to be the one who can do that. It.
Bennett Peji: Thank you. So even when I was chosen to design the Convoy sign right by the Asian Business Association, the city, I am so. acculturated to the mindset of leadership. You know, that of course I got my family involved, my daughter's, part of the design team, my wife, [00:43:00] you know what I mean? So, and besides the whole community and all their voices. So that's where, even though the end result is a collective thing, I get to satisfy a lot of my creative juices. The leadership part is, but you do it with as many people involved as possible, not as a solo artist.
Rachel: Yeah, I'm just listening to this and thinking about how it is an art in itself, being able to, I. Create, like I'm just getting a picture in my mind. You know, when you see a bunch of traffic or a crowd, but you see it from way overhead and you can kind of see the murmuration and that there's an art in that, and that's, kind of your canvas is to be able to make art by bringing people together.
and it's not the same, I it's also the, the loss. It's both.
Bennett Peji: You remind me of that one tremendously, popular video. that was on YouTube where someone starts dancing in a hill on a crowd, a crowded hill, [00:44:00] and it's
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: the first person that creates the movement that remember it's the second and third people. And that
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: what I been blessed with, right?
So that is just, fact the mo maybe more important than anything. The
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: I've been blessed be surrounded by the second and third people who took up the mantle and said that, yeah, I understand this person's intention and I get it, and I agree. Now I'll put my energy into it, and then they make it happen.
Rachel: But it sounds like too, I don't wanna make this whole episode me trying to convince you of how great you are, but I feel like I keep trying to do that. If my fiance were here, he'd say, you just have to take the compliment, man. She won't stop until you take it. Uh, there there is something like that is a great leader is somebody who makes it feel inspiring enough and safe enough for that second and third person to join.
So I think that's, I think that's wonderful. Okay. I'm gonna bring us back to [00:45:00] the private ledger. I wanna hear about, and we've already kind of talked about some of this, but maybe another thing, one invisible asset that you didn't realize you had at the time.
Bennett Peji: I would say that my extreme shyness growing up. all through my, life until college, and then after college has allowed me now , to become an asset, to be able to listen and be patient and not take over and dominate a situation where in my logical brain would say, I got an idea what the answer is. Lemme just solve the thing. Lemme just go there. Right? So that introverted side of me lives in me now as the person that says, but wait, let this person speak their truth they can own the solution with you, right? So that you are not telling them what's good for anybody, let alone them, they can [00:46:00] own it for themselves, and you can properly support the decision.
Rachel: I love that I can hear all the introverts out there being like, finally somebody recognize us just because, yeah. I wouldn't have guessed with your, charisma and your fire that you had such an introverted past, but I, I agree that that is a huge asset to be able to be patient and let other people like hold space and let other people have space that's so critical for leadership.
Okay. One more question from the private ledger. What is one investment now that you're making for your wellbeing or your soul?
Bennett Peji: Can I add one little thing that I have
Rachel: Of course.
Bennett Peji: of my nerdiness and my introvertedness that now when I present to students in classes, I intentionally include photos of me when I was a little kid with my buck teeth giant glasses. [00:47:00] You doky looking, you know, the whole bit because you just said it. It gives introverts a sense that anything is possible coming from where this kid came from, who won just as, as weird as he looked, right?
Skinny as a rail the whole bit. that, you know, if he can figure out how to self create confidence and practice and do the hard work that it's possible to look like you're outgoing, to look like you actually, are comfortable in situations like this. if you do not learn to do what I'm practicing now, I can never communicate the value I need to help the community, right?
I can't actually be of service. To the people I'm trying to represent. Right. So, that becomes the necessary, muscle I needed to build. And it took years, this nothing came overnight, years and years and years.
Rachel: Okay. So I [00:48:00] have to ask because, you know, coming from a psychology background, I need to emphasize that, that shyness and introversion aren't necessarily the same thing, right? So,
Bennett Peji: wasn't
Rachel: yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's really about how you gain and lose energy. So my question for you would be, what energizes you? Like what charges your battery?
Is it time alone or is it time with people?
Bennett Peji: Great question. 100%. Now time with people
Rachel: So you are an extrovert.
Bennett Peji: I am
Rachel: And, and it can change over time. I was a fairly quiet young kid, but I was always an extrovert. I just didn't know how to, fit. Like I also had some moving around when I was young and other stuff. but I always was more energized being around people. I just didn't know how to harness it and how to get myself into those right spaces.
So [00:49:00] just a, just like wanting to acknowledge for the introverts out there that you can be gregarious and charming and still only recharge when you're alone.
Bennett Peji: Thank you so much for that. That is a revelation for me, so I appreciate you sharing that.
Rachel: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And some of us extroverts can also be shy. It does happen. Okay. So tell me the investment you're making for your wellbeing or your soul these days.
Bennett Peji: My wife, we you do, uh, meditation every morning. we've learned, that the area of transcendental meditation, nothing I grew up with, but now embracing to make sure that, and I'm a morning person, right from the moment, uh, my body clock says 5:36 AM bing, it's, time to get up. No alarm clock needed. I'm at a hundred miles an hour, right? So the care I've embraced is don't go right into it. Meditate, [00:50:00] breathe, set your day, set everything so that when you actually start the day it's first gentle. And secondly, you can be in full force instead of any sort of, I don't know, anxiety, maybe there's panic, you know, that you gotta get things done. But start the day with that intention so that when I'm actually working, had to learn that I am not, 'cause I will say that almost all of my best presentations and speeches came in the first hour of waking up. I run up, I, I get to my office, I, I jot it all down, I type it all out and I go, woo. Done.
Right? That, and I can't make it better anytime the rest of the day if I had done it at any other moment, right. I've had to learn to, all well and good, but I'm not gonna lose that just because I start the day more gently. Right? I,
Rachel: Yeah.
Bennett Peji: have that start the day more gently for the rest of my health and balance. [00:51:00] And then when you're ready, I still seem to have the good thinking in that first hour anyway. Right? Whereas before I said, no, no, no. I gotta get it outta my head right now, otherwise I'll lose it. Well, I've trained myself or learned that, nah, I'm not gonna lose it. I'm just gonna have a better, more tranquil and more controlled day.
Rachel: Yeah, that makes sense. I think that's great advice and I'm, I'm trying to embrace a regular meditation practice myself. I didn't use to have to meditate 'cause I had a lot of time alone. A lot of time alone will kinda like let that happen naturally. But when you're busier you have to wedge it into your schedule and be like, Nope, this is the time right where I'm going to stop shaking the snow globe and let everything drift to the bottom and relax.
Bennett Peji: turns that If you learn, the hour version, the 45 minute version, the 30 minute [00:52:00] version. in late in the afternoon. That's, if anything feels like it's unraveling, that you're capable of meditating for 50 minutes anywhere, even in a crowded room
Rachel: Mm-hmm.
Bennett Peji: Right. So that is the other thing, that it isn't just a morning ritual, it's a, when you needed it ritual.
Rachel: Absolutely recentering and allowing yourself to just be with your thoughts, with your emotions, and not running from any of it is a practice and self mastery.
Bennett Peji: Yeah.
Rachel: Okay. I've got two more questions for you before I let you go. One is, what do you wish more leaders felt permission to say out loud?
Bennett Peji: I think I said it. I can't predict the future.
Rachel: Okay. That is an answer I haven't heard yet. I love it.
Bennett Peji: Yeah. Because I, I, I think differently, right. So, yeah, my, my answer is, hey, [00:53:00] I know this is my job. Either I'm a consultant or I'm the CEO, or I'm the vice president, whatever. I am executive director, but I'm the first to tell you I can't predict your future and I'm not gonna pretend to, right. But what we'll do is instill a process. We're collectively, we will be able to manage the future and possibly even excel in it without knowing what it's going to be and embrace uncertainty.
Rachel: Love it. Okay, so people who are listening to this might want to get in touch with you. They might wanna learn more about your, organization. What would you like to share with listeners as a way that they could find out more about you and or possibly get in touch if you would like that?
Bennett Peji: Thank you, friend me on LinkedIn to begin with for sure. I do have a personal website, which is just my name, Bennett pg, you know, bennetpeji.com. just, just has my background but also my contact information on there and I'd, I'd love to hear from you.
Rachel: Fantastic. And those will be in the [00:54:00] show notes for folks who are. Able to check that. Okay. Last question is our time machine. If I'm gonna open the time machine here and the doors go open and you get to go back in time,
Bennett Peji: Okay. That way.
Rachel: would, where, where would you go? What would you say to yourself earlier in your career,
Bennett Peji: Great question. let me say this for context. if you've done a strengths finder or any sort of personality test, every single one that I've done says I am horrible at retrospection I'm a crazy futurist to the extreme. Everything
Rachel: even though you can't predict the future
Bennett Peji: but that's why my focus is today and in the future, not to predict it, but to be ready for it, such that I spend very little energy reflecting
Rachel: on the past? Okay.
Bennett Peji: as I'm concerned, I use the lessons from the past on a daily [00:55:00] basis consciously And so now what am I gonna do with it to make sure my team is prepared for the future? So the question was, if I had to tell myself what age back.
Rachel: Whatever age you pick, what would you go say to yourself earlier?
Bennett Peji: I would say to myself, appreciate what your family and your parents have done to sacrifice that you will in the future, have the opportunities that they never had, and show your extraordinary love and respect for that sacrifice.
Rachel: I've Really enjoyed having you on the show. You, obviously have so much wisdom and experience and great stories. I'm sure we could, we could go for a long time. but I, I have to wrap us up and I really wanna tell you, thank you so much for coming.
Bennett Peji: Thank you. I'm honored to have been here.
Rachel: so I have to throw this in because we actually wrapped the show and then Bennett told me a secret. [00:56:00] You gonna tell me the secret? You wanna show it with the audience?
Bennett Peji: sure. So you asked how good I am or am I comfortable with extemporaneous speaking? And I said I'm horrible at it. Actually. Everything I said. I did the work to prepare, think through, frankly type out all of my potential answers to all of the potential questions in advance, memorized, rehearsed, and practiced all of it so that I wouldn't ever actually have to read it in the moment, but it was so embedded in my head in preparation for the moment, that's how I do to, in my mind, honor the audience or the, you know, the listeners. So that I am not going blank frankly, at any point.
Rachel: And Bennett says to me like, I don't share this with anybody because, you know, like, that's so weird. And I said, that's the whole point of this show is, is to help people understand that however they're built. [00:57:00] You can be built for leadership if that's something you're drawn to. You just have to figure out how to make it work.
And for me, like I am not a massive preparation person. In fact, that's a lesson I had to learn over and over is that I would fail if I didn't do some. And for Bennett, it was like the shy kid in him is like, no, I can't come up with stuff on the spot. I have to have it all ahead of time and then it sounds like usually just not, show people that, 'cause you don't want them to think you're not being present with them, but for you it's how you get present and not panicked.
Bennett Peji: Yeah, absolutely. It's,
Rachel: I.
Bennett Peji: how I make sure that I am being a valuable service to every listener for honoring us with their time. and because of I in my shyness, as you said earlier, if I go blank, I'm wasting their time.
Rachel: Well, I am super grateful that you were willing to add this little [00:58:00] bit of extra humanity to your interview because I think this will make some people feel seen. So I really appreciate that act of, courage. Really, you know, it takes courage to say, oh, yeah, here's the place where I don't have it together, or where I have to, like, my feet are paddling really hard under the surface, you know, even if I look like I'm gliding.
Bennett Peji: Yeah, all of us, right? For sure.
Rachel: All right. Thanks for listening to Lonely At the Top. If today's conversation resonated, I hope you'll give yourself permission to pause even just for a moment and check in with what you might be carrying. You don't have to hold it all alone. I work with high performers and leaders who wanna clean up their secret messes.
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