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Work like you’re not a parent.
Parent like you don’t work.
What if that whole system is wrong?
This is Full Stack Moms, and we are Mallory Lee and Shannon Curran, two working moms navigating tech careers, parenting, and everything in between. We talk about why the traditional rules of work don’t fit modern parents and how women in tech are doing things differently. Through honest conversations and behind-the-scenes stories, this show explores careers, caregiving, ambition, and the messy reality of having it all, just not all at once.
Connect with Mallory: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mallorylee/
Connect with Shannon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannon-sweeny-curran/
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[00:00:00] Shannon Curran: The amount of sleep sacks I ordered in the middle of the night on Amazon. They would just show up, like, every morning, like a $60- ... swaddle every morning. I'd be like, "Well, that one didn't work. Try the new one. That one didn't work." I would give them two nights, but you would just hope that the baby didn't have any accidents, 'cause then you're like, "Then I really can't return this, so let's hope that doesn't happen."
[00:00:18] I actually had a friend ask me recently, "I'm trying to build a registry, and what are your must-haves?" And I literally made a list. I made an email that I've now sent to multiple people. I remember looking at my registry and being like, "This is thousands of dollars." And I definitely fell into the hype of, like, must have the best things or I'm not the best mom.
[00:00:40] Mallory Lee: This is Full Stack Moms.
[00:00:42] Shannon Curran: This is not a parenting podcast, nor a business podcast, but a place where we talk building careers in tech, raising kids at home, and making it work in public. Alright, folks. Just us today. Just us gals. I kind of took a, a page out of your book and posted a non-work-related post on, on LinkedIn.
[00:01:00] Of course, it's doing well.
[00:01:03] Mallory Lee: It's the only one that people care about. Like-
[00:01:06] Shannon Curran: Yeah ...
[00:01:06] Mallory Lee: we just need to come to grips with the fact that people don't care about work.
[00:01:13] Shannon Curran: Yeah, that's fair. I found this, too. Like, there's certain mediums that I cannot, like, ingest work-related content on, one of which being podcasts. Like, podcasts are sacred to me.
[00:01:23] Like, I can't listen to, like, a work podcast. I just can't. Like, it has to feel like I'm listening to my friends talk or, like, it's just, like, an interesting story. I cannot be, like, "This is how you should do ABM." Like, I just c- I can't ingest information that way. Podcasts are sacred. Like, that's not ... Like, get out of my ears.
[00:01:41] Mallory Lee: It's me time. It's me time.
[00:01:44] Shannon Curran: I know. Speaking of, we're not talking about work today. So as you all know, a part of our show is, or I hope you know, if this is your first episode, that would be fun, is our save of the week, which is often a product or sometimes it's a process or a person that helps you be a working parent in that week.
[00:02:03] And we thought it might be fun to do kind of like a favorites episode of ... I think anyone that is a parent constantly gets asked by new parents, like, what is a must-have and what is, like, a not worth your money? And I think the funniest thing is that it is so personal. Like, some ... Like, you and I even have some things that are your favorite that I didn't think was worth the money, and I'm sure I have things that are my favorite that you think is not worth it.
[00:02:27] I don't think most of them will be anything that people haven't heard of before, but we're gonna go through probably, like, baby first, and then- Okay ... we'll go through, like, toddler transition, and then Mallory's gonna be on her own when it comes to kid, like, older kids. Yeah.
[00:02:43] Mallory Lee: Older kid.
[00:02:43] Shannon Curran: School-age child 'cause that I have no perspective on yet.
[00:02:47] Mallory Lee: Okay. Cool. So you go first. You're the baby mother.
[00:02:49] Shannon Curran: Okay. Maybe I'll start with that one because- Okay ... typically there are ... Obviously, most people have registries. Stick to the registry. Don't improv, please. Like, that's, like- ... please don't do that unless there's something, like, missing from the registry that I'm like, "Oh, that person probably will really need this."
[00:03:07] So the few things that I do that with are I typically will do, like, a box of medication. Like, baby ibuprofen
[00:03:16] Mallory Lee: That's what
[00:03:16] Shannon Curran: I do Baby Tylenol. Really?
[00:03:19] Mallory Lee: Yes. That's what I just did for Ms. Lauren for her baby shower. That's my standard- It's the best ... necessities. Yeah. Love it.
[00:03:27] Shannon Curran: Yep. I'll do an extra thermometer.
[00:03:29] Like, I'll do an extra, like s- s- kind of stuff that like, I know a rectal thermometer or like one of the ones that is like hospital grade for the head, for the head if you, like, can. But it's mostly the medication because I have a vivid memory of, of like the first time one of my babies starts screaming.
[00:03:45] It's always at night. You wouldn't even think to have that until you need it, and you always need it at 11:00 PM.
[00:03:51] Mallory Lee: Yes. That is so funny- So that is like the best- ... and so true ...
[00:03:55] Shannon Curran: gift. Yes.
[00:03:56] Mallory Lee: Someone from my job back in the day when we had Grayson, they did that for me. They gave me a little basket tin of random Like, concoctions, medicines, whatever.
[00:04:11] And in my moment of need in the middle of the night, we were like, "Go check that random tin. See what we've got." Yes. Yes, and it was there. Everything we needed was there. And ever since then, that's been like my standard go-to baby shower gift. So amazing. Wow, that's
[00:04:27] Shannon Curran: so funny. We did not talk about this. Yeah, like, what is Genexa?
[00:04:29] I would have never known what that was, but like it worked really great for Sebastian. Like, it worked good. So, and I always usually err on the side of getting like the dye-free, like all that stuff, just in case that does matter to them. Like, that is... Same thing with like, like sometimes I'll put in there like an extra thing of like baby shampoo, 'cause that's also the thing that runs out and you never think to have backups of.
[00:04:49] So I'll just buy the like no fragrance. Like, it may not be your favorite, but it certainly would be one that you'd use, right? So that's something I gift. Another thing I will gift, I have a very strong opinion about pajamas, and I haven't been wrong yet of anyone I've gifted these to has not said they don't love them.
[00:05:07] There's a brand at Target called Cloud Island that sells like the really stretchy bamboo pajamas. So I know people really love Little Sleepies, but they're so expensive. They're like $40 for a single pair of pajamas for a baby. And it's like-
[00:05:20] Mallory Lee: I've never even heard of those ...
[00:05:22] Shannon Curran: Yeah, they're cute. They're bamboo, they're super stretchy, and they last for like ever, which is- Mm-hmm
[00:05:27] a, you know... That's why I think people can justify the price. But these Cloud Island ones are very similar. And Willow was in zero to three until she was almost a year old 'cause of how stretchy these things are. Like, they will last-
[00:05:37] Mallory Lee: Oh, good ...
[00:05:39] Shannon Curran: forever. And they have the double zipper, which is a requirement.
[00:05:41] That feels like an obvious, like you gotta be able to zip from the bottom. Do not have- Yeah ... any snaps or buttons. And they are like so soft. I always will gift like the three to six month, because those will last them. Like, they'll be a little big on them in the beginning and then like last them til they're f- in kindergarten.
[00:05:56] The things like- ... are so stretchy.
[00:05:59] Mallory Lee: Oh, that's great.
[00:06:00] Shannon Curran: And they have the convertible feet. So if you want the feet, you can have them. If you don't want the feet, you don't need them. So that is like- Oh ... it feels like a reasonable gift that like most people will like, in a neutral color, so if they, what, if they wanna reuse them for a sibling or something.
[00:06:14] So those are two things that I like almost always gift, and then an Uber Eats gift card or a DoorDash gift card because-
[00:06:20] Mallory Lee: Nice ...
[00:06:20] Shannon Curran: I remember sitting on the couch with Sebastian it must have been, 'cause I didn't sit on the couch with Willow. Um, and- I didn't sit with Willow. Um- Right. And I remember we just had a horrible night, meaning like I don't think we even slept for an hour.
[00:06:35] And I was like, if you live in the suburbs, I feel like Uber Eats is hard to justify because like it just feels like I could drive and get myself something, or like there's probably takeout from a place. Like, getting a coffee delivered to me feels really like- Oh, yeah ... potentially unnecessary for the cost.
[00:06:53] Like it's- Desperate times ... really expensive.
[00:06:54] Mallory Lee: Desperate times.
[00:06:55] Shannon Curran: Yeah. And I remember being like, but someone gave me a $50 Uber Eats gift card, and I was like Oh, so I can order my normal $5 coffee that's now $7 on Uber Eats, which seems insane, and like a bagel and a muffin, and I can have it on the couch. And I don't have to get this baby out of the house, and I don't have to make it myself.
[00:07:13] I texted her and I was like, "You have no idea how happy I am that I didn't feel any guilt about this choice"- Yeah ... right? Like that I- Yeah ... got to do this. So that I feel like is a, is a good one for also if like you, if someone just had a baby and you already gave them like a baby shower gift and you want to try and give them something else, like that's a good one too.
[00:07:30] Yeah. 'Cause you can text it to them if you don't live near them. Yeah. So that's a good one.
[00:07:34] Mallory Lee: Agree.
[00:07:35] Shannon Curran: What are your other favorite gifts?
[00:07:36] Mallory Lee: I really stick to the random basket of, of medicine necessities. Yeah. And then sometimes I'll do hand-me-downs, of course, right?
[00:07:48] Shannon Curran: Oh, that's good.
[00:07:49] Mallory Lee: Yeah. We had one particular item that got handed down to so many people.
[00:07:55] It was like, you know, the sisterhood of the traveling pants or whatever. It was the traveling bassinet.
[00:08:02] Shannon Curran: Oh, yes. This is a good one. Yes. Yeah. This is, m- mine has also traveled to four houses.
[00:08:08] Mallory Lee: Yes. Yep. That's totally. So w- Brian's team, I remember, I am strangely good at remembering who got us certain gifts. And I- That's so nice
[00:08:17] even from our wedding, I remember a bunch of things about who gave us what. And his team at work all pooled in together and got us this like bassinet swivel sleeper thing.
[00:08:29] Shannon Curran: The halo?
[00:08:30] Mallory Lee: The one that like- I bet it is ... comes over the bed- Yes ... and then the little arm comes down.
[00:08:34] Shannon Curran: And it has- Yeah ... it has big legs that you kick in the middle of the night.
[00:08:37] Mallory Lee: Yes. Huge. Yeah.
[00:08:39] Shannon Curran: Yes.
[00:08:40] Mallory Lee: It's a monster. So this, I
[00:08:40] Shannon Curran: have opinions about this. I have opinions about this, but continue. I am very-
[00:08:43] Mallory Lee: Okay ...
[00:08:44] Shannon Curran: excited for this situation.
[00:08:45] Mallory Lee: Yeah, so we got that with, with Grayson as his shower gift from work, and used it with all three babies. But like in between me using it for my babies, it would go to my friends' houses for their babies.
[00:08:57] Me too. And so I think this bassinet has been used, not kidding, for like at least 10 babies. At least. Wow. And because, you know, my friend Cara, who I mentioned that had four kids, I think she used it for probably at least three of hers. And my friend Courtney used it for two, and then somebody else used it for one or two.
[00:09:18] Yeah, it was super fun. But that's not necessarily a gift, but it's like the hand-me-down, you know, you don't have to go buy this thing, I'm not using it right now. Just come get it from my house.
[00:09:28] Shannon Curran: Well, the bassinet's so hard because most babies are only in it for like three months. S- like at the most, six, right?
[00:09:34] Like, so you spend all this money on this thing that you do need, allegedly, but then the baby's just not in it for very long, and it's super expensive, so it's really nice that it can travel. We, we had the same situation. Someone used ours between our babies. We joked that Willa only used the bassinet for a changing table because she wouldn't sleep in it.
[00:09:54] And Sebastian used it for approximately six weeks until he rolled over and then came out. He tried to throw himself out of it constantly, so I was like, "Okay, this is not safe." Oh, man. But they're super expensive, and they last forever. Like, these things are industrial. We did use like the vibrate setting for Sebastian too, and it actually kinda worked for him on this one.
[00:10:12] But we didn't have a Snoo, which I know is the big thing that lots of people have. We did not have that. That's the
[00:10:17] Mallory Lee: new one that everybody's obsessed with, yes.
[00:10:19] Shannon Curran: Yeah. We s- currently have ours still, and I'm waiting for the next person to ask for it. The other thing about baby stuff, I didn't realize this until I tried to get rid of all my baby stuff, is like Goodwill, Savers, thrift stores won't take anything that a baby is like, is contained in.
[00:10:33] So like chairs, seats, nothing. Because it's like a liability. They can't ... Because they don't know where, like the experience of the product before it ended up there. So it's actually extremely hard to get rid of this stuff. Like swings, s- chair, seats, like all that kinda stuff, and they're all the huge things in your house you wanna get rid of too.
[00:10:53] I know a lot of people sell them on Facebook Marketplace. I just don't really have the patience for that. But I went with like a car full of stuff to this place that I, it's like a woman shelter that I give so much stuff to. And they're like, "We can't take that." And I'm like, "Okay." So I'll bring it back home.
[00:11:09] Mallory Lee: Okay. That's the worst when you come home with the stuff that you were supposed to be getting rid of. I know.
[00:11:15] Shannon Curran: Especially, like, the ch- the swings and stuff that are so big. And I, I remember the way I described a lot of these things is, like, so we had just a regular Graco swing. This thing is, like, just ... I- it probably the same swing that I was in as a baby, right?
[00:11:31] Like, it's like Gr- Mm-hmm ... I feel like Graco is, like, the brand that is, like, has not changed for a s- They're, like, the workhorse brand- ... of the baby stuff. They're not like the Instagram brands, but they work, right? Like, it's like one of those, right? So we had this swing. I joked that it was the most important object in our house for, like, two months.
[00:11:48] And then it was not needed at any other time. You know what I mean? It's like, but for two months I couldn't have imagined living without it. Like, I couldn't put my kids down, though. My kids were not put-her-downer kids. Like, when people would say, "I'm gonna put my kids down for a nap," I'm like, "I, I, I'm struggling to know what that means.
[00:12:04] Like, I don't, I don't know what you're saying." And so the swing was, like, really needed in my house. But then you wanna get rid of it 'cause it takes up a ton of room, so.
[00:12:10] Mallory Lee: Yeah. You just reminded me of something. You probably didn't have this because they got, like, outlawed, but rock-n-play Do you know what a Rock 'n Play is?
[00:12:22] Oh my God. No. Is it
[00:12:22] Shannon Curran: fun? Sounds fun.
[00:12:24] Mallory Lee: It is just like the greatest of all things that you can, like contain your kid in. That's at least my personal experience. And when I was pregnant with Grayson, so this would've been what, like 2015, everyone was like, "Oh, you need the Rock 'n Play. You need the Rock 'n Play."
[00:12:42] So I got one and loved it. And then shortly after that they stopped selling them because there were some- I need to look
[00:12:49] Shannon Curran: this up.
[00:12:51] Mallory Lee: Look it up. Seriously. There were some people that used it in like the wrong way and it wasn't safe. Yeah, that's
[00:12:56] Shannon Curran: what all of these things are.
[00:12:58] Mallory Lee: Yep.
[00:12:59] Shannon Curran: Fisher-Price recalls 4.7 million Rock 'n Play sleepers.
[00:13:04] Mallory Lee: Yes. But this thing was the best, the best thing. Like some of them rocked automatically. Mine did not do that. I had like the not motorized one. But you can like sit on the floor, you can like rock it with your foot really easily. And it's just like a little bassinet type thing. Ours did have some vibration, something or other.
[00:13:30] Anyway, by the time I was done using it, you couldn't get them anymore. And so it was like, I remember I gave it to my friend Amanda and- Sell it on the black
[00:13:38] Shannon Curran: market.
[00:13:39] Mallory Lee: Yes. Yes. I gave it to my friend Amanda, and I was like, "You don't realize how special this gift is that I'm giving you because you can't get them anymore."
[00:13:49] And so she was probably weirded out at first that I'm giving her these like illegal things, but she sure enough would text me and say, "Yes, lifesaver. Gotta do the Rock 'n Play." So I don't know. I, I miss it because that thing was definitely our like prized possession in the newborn phase.
[00:14:08] Shannon Curran: And I think, I know we're also like absolutely opening ourselves up for the criticism of people that are about safety for babies.
[00:14:16] But I think the biggest thing is is that all of these things are only safe if you watch your baby in them, like if they're not unattended. I had the same experience when they're like, "Don't let your baby sleep in a, in a swing." And I was like, "So my baby won't sleep anywhere else during the day. Like, that's, so what do I do?"
[00:14:33] So like, but obviously I'm not gonna like walk away and go outside and walk the dogs while the baby's asleep in the swing, right? Like I like watching, making sure, checking his breathing like 100 times. But like that is like, I think... So Sebastian actually only slept in a shark suit. So this thing was technically a Halloween costume.
[00:14:51] It was like a- ... fleece onesie. What? So when he was like two to three months old maybe, he only napped on me for the first like six months of his life. And- Except when I'd put him in this shark suit, which is I gave to my sister-in-la- My first niece was born in 2019 in December, so like imme- like immediately COVID baby.
[00:15:15] I gifted her a bunch of these, like, onesies from Old Navy, I think. They were, like, made... They're like the fleece suits you can wear outside. Like, they have a hat, like a little hood. So one was like a deer, the other one was a shark, and the other one was a snowman, right? So and they're perfect for when you bring your baby outside.
[00:15:31] Like, so you don't want to put a coat on the baby, right? Like, so you just put this, like, whole thing on. And so they became hand-me-downs to us, right? And so went through both her kids and both my kids. A little less Willa because she was a summer baby, so shark suit was less needed. But I remember putting him in this for a walk, and I put him in, this is something we talk about with strollers, the bassinet of, like, the UPPAbaby stroller.
[00:15:53] I had, like, the bassinet, and he fell asleep. And I was like, "Hmm, interesting." So I brought him inside, and I put him in the swing, and he fell asleep immediately in the shark suit. So the joke was now every single time he looked tired, I'd just put him in the shark suit, right to sleep. Like- ... that was so he just...
[00:16:13] I have many, many, many- How funny ... all the pictures of him sleeping for the first six years of his life, he's in this shark suit. Like- ... he wouldn't go in a swaddle- Oh ... wouldn't go in a sleep sack, but the shark suit, that was I was like whatever works Fascinating I literally don't care. Fascinating. Mm-hmm.
[00:16:26] Mallory Lee: Mm-hmm.
[00:16:27] Shannon Curran: You had a good experience with one of the swaddles, right? I'm trying to think which one you were talking about.
[00:16:30] Mallory Lee: Yeah, it's a funny one. So we didn't use this with Grayson. I think we got it with Bennett. He was not such a good sleeper. I had to do all kinds of weird stuff to get him to sleep. But one of the things that we tried was the Dr.
[00:16:49] Merlin Magical Sleep Suit. Okay. We had that
[00:16:53] Shannon Curran: too.
[00:16:54] Mallory Lee: Yes. It's
[00:16:55] Shannon Curran: like the Michelin Man.
[00:16:56] Mallory Lee: Yes. They look like a little puffy marshmallow baby. And I don't know if it worked or not. I mean, nothing worked that well for him. But we, I asked Brian, I said, "Can we try this thing for Bennett?" And I showed it to him on my phone.
[00:17:13] It's not cheap. It's, you know-
[00:17:15] Shannon Curran: No ...
[00:17:15] Mallory Lee: whatever, 50 bucks or whatever. And um- Like they all are ... yeah. And he's like, "I don't know," like, "That looks like a gimmick," you know? And I said, "People swear by this thing, so I kinda think we should try." And the newer, like the newborn-ish version is blue. And so when they're little- Yes
[00:17:35] they use the blue. So with Bennett, we got him the blue one, and Brian said, "You can have this as long as you only refer to it by its full name." He was like- ... "Every time you mention this thing, I want you to say Dr. Merlin's Magic Sleep Suit." And I think it did help a little bit, 'cause it's, like, heavier and it just suppresses their, like, Moro reflex where they wake themselves up, and that's the, the purpose of it.
[00:18:02] Shannon Curran: Yeah, I remember realizing we had it 'cause it was on my registry, and Sebastian was already too big for it. I remember being like, "This is not gonna work," and Willow was like, "Forget it." I can't even talk about her sleeping. It's, like, triggering. Um, I'm not far enough away from it yet.
[00:18:14] Mallory Lee: Right? You're still there.
[00:18:16] Shannon Curran: Oh, but yes. It's funny, I never asked permission. I ordered a million, an, the amount of sleep sacks I ordered in the middle of the night on Amazon. They would just show up, like, every morning, like a $60- ... swaddle every morning. I'd be like, "Well, that one didn't work. Try the new one. That one didn't work." But I did get comfortable returning them because that was...
[00:18:36] I would do, I would give them two nights, but you would just hope that the baby didn't, like, have any accidents, like, on them, 'cause then you're like, "Then I really can't return this, so let's hope that doesn't happen." I actually had a friend ask me recently, "I'm trying to build a registry, and what are your must-haves?"
[00:18:50] And I literally made a list. I made an email that I've now sent to multiple people. Because the other thing is, like, this, I remember looking at my registry and being like, "This is thousands of dollars." Like, it is, it can be extremely expensive. So anything... And I definitely fell into the hype of, like- must have the best things or I'm not the best mom.
[00:19:12] And it was, like, really hard the first time specifically. And now I'm like, I have friends that are having babies older, and they're like, "Just give me your extra stuff." And I'm like, I just wish I had been more like that. But I was one of the first of, like, my really close friends to have kids. Or my friends were still having kids, so they weren't, like, getting rid of everything yet.
[00:19:29] So it was like... So, like, our two gliders we got on Facebook Marketplace, like, things like that, like some shelves, a bureau. Like, furniture I was fine with, but, like, we have the UPPAbaby Vista stroller, and grateful to my in-laws for buying that for us. Like, so nice of them. Did we need it? I can't confirm that it's worth the money.
[00:19:53] Like, I- it's extremely heavy. It's, like, really, the bassinet was amazing for the first few months, but then after that it's like, it's kinda like every other stroller. And right now we have, like, the kickstand on it and Sebastian does ride on it for two kids, but it's extremely bad as a double stroller otherwise.
[00:20:08] The baby is, like, on the ground. They, you put the baby underneath.
[00:20:11] Mallory Lee: I don't know how I would feel about that either.
[00:20:14] Shannon Curran: It's not good. And so- And you can't
[00:20:15] Mallory Lee: see them, right?
[00:20:17] Shannon Curran: Not well. And they can't see you. Like, the toddler's facing the other direction. It just doesn't feel like it actually... I remember getting it because people told me it was good to- to convert to two, and I was like, "Oh, so that's- that's a bargain," right?
[00:20:28] Like, I remember being like- "So it's less, like, two for one." Yeah.
[00:20:31] Mallory Lee: $1,000
[00:20:32] Shannon Curran: stroller. Only
[00:20:32] Mallory Lee: stroller we'll ever need.
[00:20:34] Shannon Curran: Yep. F- seven strollers later. You know what I mean? Like- Okay ... joke's on us. Yeah. So yeah, that one I don't know. But I, you know, a big Doona gang. Like, that thing is worth every cent. So for me. I know some people have thoughts around, like, the- the car seat itself and how heavy it is, but I just left it in the car.
[00:20:56] I very rarely took, like, the actual car seat part out to bring it ins- inside. I would just take the baby out. But Willa's still in that thing, and she's over a year old. She's still in it. So that I think is worth it. What was the stroller market like when you had babies?
[00:21:10] Mallory Lee: They were all still pretty ugly.
[00:21:12] Shannon Curran: The Noonas didn't exist yet? Like all the Instagram brands didn't exist yet?
[00:21:16] Mallory Lee: Yeah, like the- the pretty, like, neutral colors and leather handles and all of that stuff. You still couldn't really get it. And that was, you know, whatever. I see things now and I'm like, wow, I would have fallen into the trap of spending $1,000- Yes
[00:21:34] on that stroller. It's so crazy. So hard not to. I know. We did the Chicco. Chicco? Chicco? Oh, yeah.
[00:21:39] I don't know.
[00:21:44] We did that one, and it also had, like, a bassinet, which I liked, and everything was very easy to, like, snap in and out for the car seats and all of that. So that was a good one. And then I don't remember exactly- which double stroller we had. I've slept since then, but I know we spent a, a lot of money on that double stroller.
[00:22:04] And then we were gifted a BOB stroller. That's what we have. It's so good. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember if that was a double or a single, so I don't know. The, the fact that I can't remember probably means that none of them were, like, that amazing.
[00:22:20] Shannon Curran: Strollers are things that you can certainly buy secondhand.
[00:22:24] Like, I've bought, both our BOBs were secondhand, and they hold their value pretty well, so if you do wanna buy them new. Do you guys have a wagon? I feel like that's, like, the next phase is, like, do you have a wagon?
[00:22:34] Mallory Lee: Yeah, so that's on my list for today, the wagons. We never had one. They were becoming popular when Cohen was already, like, a year old or...
[00:22:46] It was during COVID. So you survived- Yeah ... with three kids- He was a year old ... without a
[00:22:48] Shannon Curran: wagon.
[00:22:49] Mallory Lee: Yes, yes. I know. Like a pilgrim, no pun intended, 'cause, like, pilgrims were in wagons. But anyway, um-
[00:22:56] Shannon Curran: Horse and
[00:22:57] Mallory Lee: buggy ... the- Right. Oh. No, but, like, my sister Megan has had a wagon, and then our really good friend Laura and Carl, they had a wagon.
[00:23:06] Yeah. And we still use Carl and Laura's wagon, and so when we go places with them, our kids just kinda, like, hop in when, you know- Which one is it? ... every once in a
[00:23:16] Shannon Curran: while. Is it a Wonderfold?
[00:23:18] Mallory Lee: I don't know. Maybe, maybe.
[00:23:21] Shannon Curran: Those things are slick.
[00:23:23] Mallory Lee: I think a lot of them seem pretty similar, but, like, Laura's, I remember, had more of an infant seat within the wagon.
[00:23:32] And that was pretty clutch because her youngest was, like, you know, younger than the boys and everything. So I wish I was part of the wagon phase, but it was kind of after my time. But we did benefit from the wagons of others, and so I'm very thankful for that.
[00:23:48] Shannon Curran: Yeah, it's fun 'cause the kids can see each other.
[00:23:50] If you have, like, a four-seater, they can all, like, sit and have snacks, which I think is... But it is hard to find. It's crazy how expensive some of this stuff can be. Like, I ended up cheaping out on a wagon because we had already bought a double stroller, and I felt like I couldn't justify both. And now we just, like, don't like the wagon we have.
[00:24:07] Anything else on your list? I have a bunch of things, but they're, like...
[00:24:11] Mallory Lee: I have a bunch, too. One thing that I always put into my, like, box of medicines is the gripe water.
[00:24:18] Shannon Curran: Yep. I never
[00:24:19] Mallory Lee: used that- I kind of- ... but I
[00:24:20] Shannon Curran: know people swore by it.
[00:24:21] Mallory Lee: People swear by it. I kind of think it's a placebo, but I think it is, like, a placebo for everyone.
[00:24:26] For the parent, you feel good that you're doing something. It's like, okay, there's nothing left to try. Let's just get out this gripe water and see what happens. And then there's, like, a 20-second interval where it works for the baby, and it, that, just that 20 seconds is enough for you to be like, "Ah, okay, this is helping us."
[00:24:46] It worked. So I recently saw in the store the one that I bought for Lauren was, like, the Mary Ruth organic version of the gripe water. And that one didn't exist back when I used it, but I'm interested to see how it goes for her later.
[00:25:03] Shannon Curran: Yeah, h- we were told by the pediatrician to use Mylicon drops, which is, like, not r- gripe water.
[00:25:08] It's, like, gas drops.
[00:25:08] Mallory Lee: Yeah,
[00:25:09] Shannon Curran: gas, yeah. And those do have some data behind them, but I don't know if they even worked. I just feel like the babies' digestive systems go through times when they just are changing. There's not much you can do to change that. Okay, I will say I only have two more that I think are worth mentioning.
[00:25:22] My ride or die is a really good baby carrier. I remember everyone had the Baby Bjorn one, and I should have just looked into this more because it's actually not great for your back. And I had big babies, and I should have, like, looked into that because it, it actually didn't work that well for them. And it's super expensive.
[00:25:38] But I ended up gifting myself around, like, the four-month mark the Wildbird carrier, which is, like, the cost per use on this thing for me is, like, negative a cent because I've, the amount of time I've had babies in it. And so it was totally worth it to me to have one that I really liked, that felt comfortable to me, that the baby liked.
[00:25:54] Like, that's 'cause I did a lot of baby-wearing. But not every baby likes to be worn, but I feel like especially with Willa, too, like, when I was going anywhere with both kids, it was just so much easier to have one of them strapped to you. That one, worth it.
[00:26:08] Mallory Lee: I'm with you there. I remember the first time around looking at the carriers and- I cared too much about what they looked like, which- Yeah
[00:26:18] you know, of course I did, right? And later down the road I gave in and I got the Ergo, which I thought was so ugly. But, like, it worked and it was great, and I was like, "I shouldn't have cared so long about how these things look." Like, all that matters is if they work. That it
[00:26:37] Shannon Curran: works.
[00:26:38] Mallory Lee: Yeah.
[00:26:39] Shannon Curran: Yeah. The Wildbird is very aesthetically pleasing- It's good
[00:26:42] but it also has, like, a flap that, like, that their head can lay on. It's very nice, but it's one of those that I would never have spent the money on if I didn't know my baby already liked to be worn. Like, it shouldn't be a first- Yeah ... buy. Like, I know a lot of people love the Artipoppe one. That seems insane that anyone would spend $500 on a carrier.
[00:26:59] No, like, no judgment to anyone that does it, but wow.
[00:27:02] Mallory Lee: These are words I've never heard of. Like, I have no idea what these are. Really? Yeah. Wow. 'Cause I'm just, like, I'm a big kid mom now.
[00:27:10] Shannon Curran: I know. Last thing, baby monitor. I know people are obsessed with the ones you can have on your phone. I don't. I'm an old-school plug into the wall, no Wi-Fi.
[00:27:20] Mallory Lee: Same here. No Wi-Fi policy.
[00:27:23] Shannon Curran: Yep. And they're cheaper, and you can bring them on vacation, and you can do it everywhere. And so when a babysitter's watching your baby, you don't know. You can't check the monitor. Right. So.
[00:27:32] Mallory Lee: Right.
[00:27:34] Shannon Curran: Okay, let's get into big kids. That's probably... I'd actually wonder, I wanna know from people how many people that listen have little ones and how many have big ones on this, that listen to our- I know
[00:27:44] show. I'm curious, curious.
[00:27:46] Mallory Lee: Well, aside from that, we don't know who listens, so that's kinda strange. But hello, whoever you are. Hi.
[00:27:54] Shannon Curran: I forget sometimes that people do listen. It's not just me and you talking to each other.
[00:27:59] Mallory Lee: Right?
[00:27:59] Shannon Curran: I forget all the time. I know, like, when people are like, "Oh, on the podcast when you said..."
[00:28:03] I'm like, "Oh my God, you listen to that? That's so embarrassing."
[00:28:06] Mallory Lee: I know, I know. The people that we know, like at least, you know, a couple times a week someone will say, "Oh yeah, I was listening about that." But then there's other people that listen that we don't know, at least in theory. There are people that listen that we don't know, and that is the strange part to me.
[00:28:24] But anyway, we love you and hope that you keep coming back. That you're meeting
[00:28:26] Shannon Curran: me this way?
[00:28:28] Mallory Lee: Yeah.
[00:28:28] Shannon Curran: That's what's, like... And you still wanna s- hear me everyday? Like, you don't just, like, have to love me because you know me in person?
[00:28:36] Mallory Lee: Okay. So when we get into, like, the older ages, I don't have too, too many things, but there are a couple.
[00:28:43] One thing that ended up serving us pretty well, and I will even still use this if I have it, is the Young Living Tummy Gize oil.
[00:28:55] Shannon Curran: Oh, what's
[00:28:55] Mallory Lee: that? And so it's like, um, an essential oil blend by Young Living that you rub on baby's tummy- And it's just supposed to help with digestive issues. And it's like partly about the way it smells and it's partly about the massage and like for whatever reason, it's pretty effective, this Tummy Gize oil.
[00:29:18] And it's, it's even made me feel better before after like a rich meal or, or something like that. I've used it on myself. Maybe
[00:29:26] Shannon Curran: just the experience of using it. That could even be it, you know? Like that could be-
[00:29:30] Mallory Lee: Yeah ...
[00:29:30] Shannon Curran: that's interesting.
[00:29:31] Mallory Lee: It's a combo. It's a combo of something.
[00:29:33] Shannon Curran: Yeah. We'll put it in the category with the gripe water.
[00:29:36] It's great. Yeah.
[00:29:37] Mallory Lee: But my cousin, her kids ask for it. Like, that's how much they, they like it and believe in it. They're like, "My tummy hurts, I need, I need the oil." So I don't know, something there. Vitamins, gummy vitamins. Oh, right. Right? We're not there yet. What I do know is that you have to pick your battles and you have to pick your hard, right?
[00:29:58] So you can either get the healthiest vitamins that are not gummy, that are as pure and amazing as you can find, right? Or you can find something they'll actually eat, which is a gummy. And so we've kind of accepted that in the world of, you know, no vitamins at all or like vitamins, we've accepted the gummy ones.
[00:30:23] So that's something that we've, we've kind of stuck to after a lot of trial and error.
[00:30:28] Shannon Curran: I support that.
[00:30:29] Mallory Lee: Dentists, not so much. They're like very anti. Have any of your kids gone to the dentist yet?
[00:30:35] Shannon Curran: Started at 12 months. And then we went in at his two year and they were like, "Oh, does he have any of his molars yet?"
[00:30:41] And I was like, "No, I don't think he, I don't think he has them." They're like, they looked at his mouth, they go, "So all four of them are in."
[00:30:49] Mallory Lee: Like, "Oh, that
[00:30:50] Shannon Curran: must have happened last night." Mob of the year. Mom of the year. I try not to say, like, too much about him personally on the pod, but he, uh, medically. But he had, uh, reoccurring ear infections. So, like, he had 10 ear infections in his first 12 months of life. And so, yeah, he has tubes now.
[00:31:05] Fabulous. Talk about the thing that I... That is, like, the best thing I've ever done, is get tubes in his ears. So I think he probably was teething during a lot of that time. We just didn't know. We just assumed it was the ear infections, 'cause his cheeks were always red. Like, you see a picture of him any time before the age of 16 months, and his cheeks were bright red.
[00:31:22] Poor guy. I feel, I feel very guilty about it now. So yes, we have been to the dentist three times for him, I think. The last time, Mal, I had my mom watch Willa 'cause I didn't have childcare yet, and I walked in ready for it to be traumatic because the first, like, time it was a little traumatic. He just walked right in.
[00:31:38] He sat in the chair himself and didn't even want me with him. He was like- Aw ... "I'm good." And I was like, "What the-" "... did..." He let them use the electric toothbrush in his mouth and stuff. I was like, "Great."
[00:31:49] Mallory Lee: Oh, that's fun.
[00:31:51] Shannon Curran: So- Yeah ... yes. So yeah, we have been to the dentist. I'm sure as they get older, the fear probably sets in at some point, but yeah, it seems to be very positive right now, so I'm just letting it go.
[00:31:59] Mallory Lee: Yeah, that's good. We've had all pretty much 100% positive dentist experiences with the exception of Bennett's very first visit, and he was so young. Like, he was, it was too young. He didn't need to be there.
[00:32:15] Shannon Curran: There's differing opinions on when they're supposed to start.
[00:32:17] Mallory Lee: I know.
[00:32:18] Shannon Curran: Six months after the first teeth come in, and I've heard three years old.
[00:32:21] I've heard everything in the middle of that.
[00:32:22] Mallory Lee: Right. I know. So I don't know. And our dentist was like, "As soon as they have two teeth next to each other- Oh ... they should come in." That's early. I know, and so he, Bennett was really little. Willa was three
[00:32:33] Shannon Curran: months
[00:32:34] Mallory Lee: old. Exactly. I think Bennett was six months old, but I was like, "Okay, here we go."
[00:32:38] And I have pictures from how mad he was, and it was really adorable. Um, And he was wearing the cutest, like, neon yellow Under Armour, like, golf shirt. It was just the cutest thing ever. Uh, I digress. Okay. Other things that I have come to believe in, we try to be pretty adamant about very limited iPad time.
[00:33:02] Mm. So we're not anti-screen time completely, but we're anti-iPad. So that is something that we just kind of, like, set out to do and stuck to it. They can use it every once in a while when they're supervised by us, but it's not, like, their iPad. It's, like, my iPad that I'm letting them look at for a while. And so instead, one thing that we've gotten for them is these, like, handheld Game Boy-ish kind of games, and they'll have, like, 50 games on one little console, and they're just the very, like, analog screen of, like, the little pixels.
[00:33:44] And, you know, there's games that you can play. But it's not like a, a digital screen or however you would say. It's not like the iPad screen. So they... I call them, like, dumb Game Boys. Oh. Because they are very minimal. And they like those. They play those in the car sometimes.
[00:34:02] Shannon Curran: How's your screen-free summer going?
[00:34:04] Weren't you doing a screen-free summer?
[00:34:05] Mallory Lee: Yeah. So we've, like, tried to be screen-free summer, and actually I'm gonna get sad, but today's the very last day, the last weekday of summer for us. Really sad. Back to school on Monday. It went fine except for the past couple of weeks, the weather has been terrible.
[00:34:26] It's been so rainy, and so we've definitely had a little extra, like, Xbox time or screen time when the weather is awful. But for the majority of the summer, they had one hour a day, and it worked fine. We survived it. We have a Nintendo Switch, and we let them play that in the car on long trips as well. So we're just, we try to be really strategic about when they get to do it, and then we're also super picky about which games they're allowed to play.
[00:34:58] So that's a whole different ballgame. In the same technology realm, the thing that we've done with Grayson is that when he turned nine, he was in third grade, and he got an Apple Watch. And we decided to do the Apple Watch because I wanted to be able to track where he was, I wanted to be able to communicate h- with him, so he has like his own phone number, I can text him and call him, and I didn't want him to have any access to a web browser.
[00:35:28] So that's why the Apple Watch felt like the right call, because it had all of the right connectivity. I control his, like, profile and his apps and, like, what is on the watch. But he still has, you know, quite a bit of freedom to talk to his friends and ask Siri questions if he needs to. He loves looking at the maps.
[00:35:48] Wherever we go, he'll say, "Where are we going?" And he types it in and he, like, follows the directions alongs ti- along the real time on his watch in the car. Yeah, so pretty soon Bennett will be coming up on his age for the watch, and so that will be very interesting. We'll have another kiddo with a watch.
[00:36:06] Shannon Curran: Yeah, I've heard of quite a few people doing, going the watch route, so, like, their kid can call them after school or, like, any... Or there's also these new phones that are like landlines with pre-loaded phone numbers, so you can only call, like, the three phone numbers that are on the phone. We just discovered, uh, read-alouds in the car last night, which is, the kids were not happy.
[00:36:25] I was driving somewhere, it was gonna take us an hour, and so I found this YouTube channel that reads books aloud. It took, like, all the Spider-Man episodes and made them into books and narrated them and read them, so we just listened to, like, six episodes of s- Spider-Man books in
[00:36:41] Mallory Lee: the car. That's awesome.
[00:36:42] That's awesome. Yeah,
[00:36:43] Shannon Curran: it was good.
[00:36:43] Mallory Lee: There's another channel where the dad reads stories, and I'm not gonna
[00:36:48] Shannon Curran: remember the- I was thinking that I could make a lot of money doing this, but I assume other people are already doing it. Yeah.
[00:36:52] Mallory Lee: Well, they are, but everybody needs more variety. We'll look it up and we'll put the link, but my kids really like it.
[00:36:58] Shannon Curran: Okay, yeah. Maybe, I knew I wasn't new to this, but it was a game-changer for yesterday, so.
[00:37:01] Mallory Lee: Cool. Good times.
[00:37:03] Shannon Curran: Do you have a skylight calendar, Mallory?
[00:37:07] Mallory Lee: Oh, funny you should ask. We have the Hearth calendar, yes And that was my gift for Mother's Day last year. And I would say we really like it, but we could use it better.
[00:37:21] Shannon Curran: How I feel about everything.
[00:37:23] Mallory Lee: I know. That's how I feel about almost everything. But we used it quite a bit during the school year last year, and you, like, create routines for your kids, and they have a little to-do list, and they check things off and get stars and points, and you can do a lot of different things.
[00:37:39] So We do have that. We do like it. I'm excited to work on it this weekend, 'cause we're gonna set everything up for the school year. And it's just kind of like a little home base screen where they can check it. And the boys do love checking the calendar, because we put everything connected to, like, our Google Calendar shows up there, and certain things we'll put on the calendar they can see.
[00:38:03] Sometimes we have to be careful about what we title it, if it's a surprise or something, because they'll see it. So that's a different wrinkle once they can read.
[00:38:12] Shannon Curran: Something we did decide to do is I actually started a new email address that is, like, Curran family at, so that all of the daycare stuff and everything is all coming to me right now, and it doesn't make sense for me to have to forward everything to Pete.
[00:38:27] So, like, that is something that has been helpful. But we're a relatively analog house. Like, my husband is not a digital person. He does not have a Google Calendar. We have, like, on the fridge, we have, like, a, a, a whiteboard calendar of, like, what we're gonna eat for dinner for the week, anything big that's happening that week, like, if I'm out for a something or whatever.
[00:38:45] So I just don't think it would work for us, because we're just not very digital. I am, but my whole house is not, so I'm not gonna try and force them. But yeah, I know a lot of people swear by it, so that's why I was curious.
[00:38:55] Mallory Lee: Yeah. No, totally. And the family email address is a good one, too. Like, it is a good thing to do because it can be shared, the calendar can be easily shared, and then, you know, if you don't want people to have your email address, that could also be a good move.
[00:39:11] Shannon Curran: Yeah, and then you both log in. You both have it. Like, it doesn't get lost. Like, anyone that's had an email address for the last, like, 20 years, like, there's just so much stuff in there. You don't want your kids' stuff to get lost. You know what I mean? Like, you probably need a different-
[00:39:23] Mallory Lee: Oh, it all gets lost-
[00:39:24] place to find- ... all of it. Yeah. Our family email address is calendar specific. Like, we don't ever send emails to it. It's just for the calendar. Oh. So we could have done it differently, but it was like we were beyond the choice, the time to make the choice, so.
[00:39:40] Shannon Curran: Yeah, it just happened. I just had this thought when I realized that, uh, daycare was sending, like, a lot of updates to me, and I was, like, missing them.
[00:39:47] So I was like, shoot, I need to... Not that I still won't miss them, but at least there's another set of eyes that is also accountable for not missing them. Also, I'll probably give my EA the login, so she will definitely not miss them. That's
[00:40:01] Mallory Lee: That's gonna be life changing. Life changing. It
[00:40:04] Shannon Curran: is. I had to ask her yesterday.
[00:40:06] I was like, "I think I have a Delta credit from a canceled flight." And, 'cause I canceled a flight 'cause of Willa. No offense. Thanks, girl. Like, nine months ago or something. And so I literally said to my EA, I'm like, "Can you sign into my Delta account and see if I have some kind of credit? Like, I think I might have a credit, so we should probably go somewhere."
[00:40:21] She was like, "Yeah, totally." I
[00:40:22] Mallory Lee: was like- That's amazing.
[00:40:24] Shannon Curran: Well, I hope people found this interesting. I'm so nosy about the products that people like, so hopefully people found this fun, interesting. If you didn't, then this is a little different than our usual episodes. So we're back to our normal interviews.
[00:40:37] Mallory Lee: Yeah. And a few of them are like the unsung kind of hero stuff, you know? Totally. Things that you might not necessarily be thinking about too much in advance.
[00:40:49] Shannon Curran: Yeah. And now you know the medicine and make sure your bassinet travels to at least seven to 10 babies to get the use out of it that it deserves.
[00:40:59] Mallory Lee: Yeah. Yeah. If Brian's coworkers only knew, I feel like they would be proud. Maybe he can tell them.
[00:41:05] Shannon Curran: Should've had everyone sign the bottom, like all the babies.
[00:41:11] Mallory Lee: Grayson was here. Bennett was here. Lucas was here. Charlie was here.
[00:41:16] Shannon Curran: I know. Yeah. Oh-
[00:41:17] Mallory Lee: It's
[00:41:18] Shannon Curran: cute ... one last thing. I know people... I don't know if this is still a thing that people talk about, but the breathable mattresses, which I'm sure were not a thing when you had babies, the Newton mattresses.
[00:41:27] Mallory Lee: There were some things that said, like, "Oh, it's, it's breathable."
[00:41:30] But I don't know if it was to the same extent as what's going on right now today.
[00:41:35] Shannon Curran: And yeah, I just spent the money. That's one of those things where it's like, if anything can give you peace of mind that your baby's sleeping safer. That's the one that I was like, there weren't a lot of things that I thought was worth the money.
[00:41:44] Okay. Like that one- Yeah ... I was like, all right, fine. That your mattress is worth almost as much as mine. That is fine. Seems comfy.
[00:41:53] Mallory Lee: We also coughed up the money for the Owlet.
[00:41:56] Shannon Curran: You did.
[00:41:57] Mallory Lee: And it was pretty darn new at the time. So it was like the little sock wearable that monitors them in the night. We used it less and less with each kid, as you do, but some people borrowed that from us as well, so I think we got a good use out of it.
[00:42:12] Shannon Curran: Yeah, I did not, because I was worried that it would make me more anxious, but I know people loved it. Like, I have many a friend that loved it. Well, Mal, this has been fab. Thanks for hanging out.
[00:42:22] Mallory Lee: It has. It's been fun. Little memory lane for me.
[00:42:26] Shannon Curran: I know. I was gonna say, that's, I'm sorry I can't contribute much to how to support nine-year-olds, but I'll get there eventually.
[00:42:34] Mallory Lee: Speaking of which, right now they're all out on the golf cart with their babysitter for today. So once you reach the age of ways to entertain them and get them out of the house, if you live in an area that's conducive to golf carts, I do recommend. They just love it.
[00:42:49] Shannon Curran: Fabulous.
[00:42:50] Mallory Lee: Yeah.
[00:42:50] Shannon Curran: Sebastian has a little drive-in truck that he loves.
[00:42:52] "I wanna go in my truck," he always says. Aw. And I'm like... Wait, funny. So he's been saying, I think I've told this before, it's, he's in catchphrase age. Like, I feel like we, you were saying this too. They just go through this phase where they just have catchphrases. And he's been saying this thing, something a morning.
[00:43:11] And we're like, "What are you saying?" Like, it's been, like, a month and a half. And he says it, like, 10 times a day at a minimum. And then we were watching Dino Ranchers yesterday and heard them say, "Top of the morning, Dino Ranchers." He's saying, "Top of the morning." That is what he is saying.
[00:43:27] Mallory Lee: So cute. Oh.
[00:43:28] Shannon Curran: 10 to 15 times a day.
[00:43:30] Top of the morning.
[00:43:34] I just hope I got it recorded so I don't forget. Like-
[00:43:36] Mallory Lee: Oh, you can't forget it. You can't forget it. That's amazing. So
[00:43:40] Shannon Curran: good. So good.
[00:43:41] Mallory Lee: The current craze at our house is Family Matters. Uh-
[00:43:45] Shannon Curran: Really?
[00:43:46] Mallory Lee: The show. Yeah.
[00:43:47] Shannon Curran: Yeah. They're
[00:43:47] Mallory Lee: watching
[00:43:48] Shannon Curran: it?
[00:43:49] Mallory Lee: They love it. They're obsessed with it. And it's such a, like- I watched it as
[00:43:52] Shannon Curran: a kid, but that's amazing.
[00:43:53] Mallory Lee: Same, yeah. Me and Brian even watched it all the way through, like several years ago, as like our nighttime half hour of TV And it's just so heartwarming. And the other day they asked if they could watch it, and we're like, "Sure." And they're like, "Really? Like, you'll let us watch that?" I'm like, "Yeah, definitely."
[00:44:11] So during their hour of screen time, they watched two episodes of Family Matters, and they've all been running around here quoting, you know, Steve Urkel, and it's so funny. The nannies have no idea about Family Matters. They're like, "What is this show?"
[00:44:26] Shannon Curran: They're in the gap, the gap age in between-
[00:44:29] Mallory Lee: Yeah ... our children and ourselves.
[00:44:30] They didn't have TGIF. Like-
[00:44:32] Shannon Curran: Ugh ...
[00:44:32] Mallory Lee: come on.
[00:44:34] Shannon Curran: God, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, that is like, I was diehard. Like, that was everything to me. There was nothing else that mattered.
[00:44:43] Mallory Lee: Well, and you live in New England, so it's probably, like, even better.
[00:44:46] Shannon Curran: Yes, there is a house that... And it's crazy, her boyfriend, like, when she goes, Josh, I don't know if you remember.
[00:44:52] She, like, dates this college boy. Big. Yeah. And he went to Emerson, which is where I went. So I just remember
[00:44:58] Mallory Lee: being
[00:44:58] like-
[00:44:58] Shannon Curran: Oh, funny ... I'm like, "Did I go there because of that?" Like, maybe it was subliminal to me. Oh, man. Oh.
[00:45:06] Mallory Lee: Good times. So
[00:45:07] Shannon Curran: funny. I know.
[00:45:08] Mallory Lee: Well, I feel like we're just not gonna ever stop talking, so.
[00:45:12] Shannon Curran: Okay, so we should go. Love you.
[00:45:14] Mallory Lee: Love you. Bye. Bye. Bye. See you later.
[00:45:17] Shannon Curran: Thanks for listening to Full Stack Moms.
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[00:45:30] Shannon Curran: you hear my washing machine?
[00:45:32] Uh... I don't think so, right?
[00:45:34] Mallory Lee: No.
[00:45:35] Shannon Curran: I realized that, like, the water comes through this room. So, like, if you ever turn the washing machine on while I'm in here, it's like joosh, joosh, joosh. It's, like, so loud.