Elsbeth: Season 3, Episode 4 - Ick, a Bod

In this ghoulishly fun Halloween episode of Elsbeth, our heroine Elsbeth Tascioni heads into the suburbs of Sleepy Hollow, where the Halloween‑maze fun turns deadly. A newcomer neighbour, free‑spirited Beryl, rubs the self‑appointed “community‑queen” Sharon the wrong way — triggering a rivalry that culminates in murder. Elsbeth and Det. Jackie Donnelly dig into alibis, door‑cam footage and a creepy chainsaw reveal to crack the case. Meanwhile, at the precinct, Capt. C.W. Wagner has his own subplot involving his daughter Julia and potential workplace romance.

 00:05 – Hosts kick off the Halloween‑themed episode
 00:32 – Marissa & Jason talk Halloween culture, suburb vs city
 05:07 – Brief summary of the case in Sleepy Hollow
 08:06 – Sharon and Beryl’s neighbour feud is introduced
 15:19 – Halloween maze goes live and the murder occurs
 26:13 – Elsbeth reveals the fingerprint & pipe evidence to crack the case
 51:50 – Wagner’s talk with Julia and workplace drama wrap up

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Creators and Guests

Host

Jason Reed

I’m a simple guy with simple interests. Pop Culture, Tv, Movies, Comics. Constantly chasing that nostalgia dragon. Podcaster talking Married At First Sight on A Perfect Match and The Good Wife verse on The Good Pod.

Host

Marissa Garza

MTv never told me the Real World would be like this // podcaster, consultant, and tv watcher

What is The Good Pod?

Calling all fans of courtroom intrigue and complex characters! Join us each week as we dive deep into the gripping world of "The Good Wife," "The Good Fight", "Elsbeth," and the entire legal drama universe created by Robert and Michelle King. Jason Reed and Marissa Garza, break down each episode, unpack intricate plot lines, and analyze the moral dilemmas faced by Alicia Florrick, Diane Lockheart, Elsbeth Tascioni, and their colleagues. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to these addictive shows, you'll gain fresh insights and catch details you might have missed.

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[00:00:05] Welcome to the Good Pod, where today you'll be covering ELLs Smith, season three, episode four. Ick ab pod. I'm one of your hosts. Jason Bleed with me. My cosst the one the only. Marissa scares. Marissa. You good? I'm good. I like, I have no accent, Marissa. I tried. I was like, I should get out on it. I should get out.

[00:00:32] I was like, I am. Great. We learned from, uh, Elsworth. You have to Yes. And you have to go with the bit. Come on. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I mean like, answer your question, but um, okay. I am go. There you go. So Marissa, you can edit all that together and make it make sense. Welcome to Jason. Are you good? I, I'm good, Marissa.

[00:00:56] I'm very good. I just drained a body of blood [00:01:00] and I feel great. Oh yeah. Welcome to a Halloween themed good pod, Halloween themed Elsbeth. Uh, we are here, we're, I mean, we're, listen, we're recording this today after Halloween, but you get to Sure. You get the gist, you get, you get, we just like the, the spirit is still with us in one, Marissa.

[00:01:18] You know Marissa. Yeah, for sure. How is your Halloween? Do you, you get, you, you live in a high rise Chicago apartment. Do you get trick or treat? Not, no. First of all, I'm in the suburbs. Second of all, it's not that high. Third of all, no one comes to my door anymore. It's very sad. I loved when I was growing up, like all the neighborhood kids coming out and, you know, stopping by the house saying hi, and even I was talking to my parents and they said they just put a bowl out this year.

[00:01:42] I don't know. What was the holiday vibe for you? Uh, listen, that my daughter is out of trick or treating age, essentially. Yeah. Uh, so you don't have to go out to trick or treat anymore. And listen, I got home from work. I shut off the porch light and I'm just like, y'all know, [00:02:00] y'all know the sign porch light not on, uh, try to use, nobody's to use.

[00:02:04] Yeah. Try to use as little light as possible inside. And, uh, luckily our neighborhood is not really a big trick or treating neighborhood in the first place. And then they're just like, yeah, I think everyone here knows what the porch light off means. Like, there's could be no candy over there. Let's not waste our time going over and having no one answer the door.

[00:02:21] So luckily we didn't even get, like, we didn't even get a knock on the door. We didn't get a doorbell ring, thankfully. Oh, so, no, that's good. I guess we we're Halloween grinches. I mean, but that's fine. I Did you least have candy ready for the trick or no? Oh, no. No. Oh, wow. So they, because they don't, like, they never come.

[00:02:36] And then I, like, I don't eat a lot of sugar, so I'm like, I'll just have this candy. And then it's like this. Like thing of like, I have candy, I'm gonna bring it to work. And then like work being the museum that I work at part-time and then everybody brings the museum. Mm-hmm. And we have too much candy. Um, but I did get to participate in like community events last week, which I think is more of the thing.

[00:02:58] I don't have a kid and I'm not married, [00:03:00] so I'm not like in that circle mm-hmm. Of people. But I think like the trunk or treats and the trick or treating at businesses. Is more popular now than it was when I was a kid, for sure. Yeah. Um, so I don't know. We could be seeing a change in Halloween culture for you Halloween historians out there, but I, I don't know.

[00:03:20] I, I'm just like, I see it in, and I watched Slow Horses pretty much all change yesterday. Sounds like a blast of a time. Uh, yeah. Here we are. Uh, Halloween, Elizabeth, uh, you know, it was, it was an episode of Elizabeth. I'll just say that. Um, I, I, I found the precinct shenanigans more interesting than the actual case this week.

[00:03:42] Um, ah, yes. I thought the case was pretty cut and dry, to be honest. Yeah. I think this is our new normal, you know, I think we're gonna have long. Murder scene, definitely giving us more than we were usually getting, and then we're gonna get [00:04:00] Elizabeth coming in, doing her thing. But I was happy to see that we did have some precinct shenanigans for sure.

[00:04:06] So excited to talk about that part with you during this episode. Folks, or before we dive deeper into the episode, do want to remind you out there listening and watching of some free and easy ways you can support this podcast? You can do that by reviewing, rating and subscribing wherever it is you're watching and or listening.

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[00:05:07] All right, well, our little summary of this episode goes as follows, this week Elsbeth heads to the suburbs, sleepy Hollow to be exact, where picture. Where picture perfect lawns hide. Some very messy neighbors. Sharon, we meet Sharon, the, uh, self acclaimed Sharon. Sharon. Sharon, by the way, side note, total tangent, but people are doing Ozzy for the elf this year instead of shelf and an elf.

[00:05:33] It's like Ozzy. Oh God, really? Yeah. I, anyway, that's funny. But yes, Sharon, the self-appointed president of all of the things in the neighborhood, um, welcomes her new, her, her new neighbor barrel over with a walnut pie and a long list of rules. Barrel's totally not into it. She's very creative. She, you know, she moved to the city to get away from the, or she moved to the suburbs to get away from the hubbub of everything.

[00:05:57] Um, but she's got some wind, wind chimes that really [00:06:00] rattle Sharon's sense of control and friendly rival Lee turns a little dark as the episode goes on. Uh, this is a Halloween episode, so there's a Halloween maze that ends up being assigned to barrel in the neighborhood meeting entering this. In her backyard.

[00:06:15] She ends up being decapitated and the NYPD is called in because the body ends up within the city limits, even though the head was left in her house and Elsbeth arrives, dressed for week long. My Fair Lady costume extravaganza partnered once again with my favorite, uh, detective. Third watch, uh, I don't remember what's her real name?

[00:06:36] Detective Donnelly. Donnelly, yeah, that's right. Between the Suburban politics and Jealous Spouses, the Overeager Homeowners Committee, everyone gets a motive and everyone's got ring cameras. That was a big part of this entire thing as well. Meanwhile, back at the precinct, we do meet Captain Wagner's daughter Julia.

[00:06:52] She's there as the resident, um, millennial slash Gen Z consultant for all parents everywhere. [00:07:00] Coming in to explain, I see to her dad and. She's picking up a vibe with Cameron and Cameron's like, I could use some help with my software. And Wagner puts a stop at this so quickly because she, he is concerned about Kaya and his daughter and this whole, whole thing.

[00:07:17] Uh, at the end of the episode, SB does find figures out that Sharon was the murderer because of a small detail, this fingerprint on a ski crow dummy that she put outside her house that allowed for them to get a warrant to then go into the pipes of Sharon's house and find parts of barrel in the plumbing.

[00:07:37] This was very weird. Um, and so that is how this episode kind of comes to an end. That's our brief summary, but to get into more of the details. Jason, where do you wanna start? I mean, let's, let's, let's start in the beginning. Uh, I think it is a coincidence that Sharon is kind of close to Karen. Oh, yeah. [00:08:00] And we should mention Sharon is played by Ash Anna Lee Ashford.

[00:08:06] Mm-hmm. Who I did not recognize until I looked her up. Jason, did you, have you seen her anywhere? Yeah, she's been in a few different, um, television projects, I think. I think on television. She's, uh, her breakout was Masters of Sex. Um, that was a, a showtime series, uh, with, uh, what's that? What was that guy's name?

[00:08:25] I forgot what the guy's name was, but it was basically studying like, it, he was Kinzie. Was he Kinzie? Who was he? He was, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, studying, studying how sex influences things or whatever. Uh, so that's where I recognized her from. She was also on a show called Be Positive, which was like a show about someone donating their kitty to someone else, and it turned into a hilarious sitcom, shenanigans.

[00:08:50] Uh, so that's where I most recognized her from. But in looking her up a little bit more, we did find that she's a big, like Broadway, uh, person. She, she was in Wicked Sweeney Todd, I think [00:09:00] Legally Blonde. Yeah. The musical. So she's in a lot. Yeah, she's, uh, been been doing a lot in Broadway. Yeah, she was the Sweeney Todd is what I remembered her from because Josh Groin was in that production.

[00:09:11] And so there was a lot of like Josh groin ness and then also her portrayal, and that was also, uh, lauded as very, very well done. So yes, she is the Sharon of our story here and. So it's no coincidence that Sharon sounds like Karen, in my opinion. Yeah. 'cause this lady has like every suburban trope thrown on her as a character.

[00:09:33] For sure. For sure. You know, obviously she is the, the head of the neighborhood committee, it feels like whether people like it or not, she's kind of appointed herself the, the head of the neighborhood committee. Like no one asked her to take on this role. She just does it herself thinking she is, uh, being helpful or, or helping the neighborhood when really she's just kind of, uh, an overall nuisance.

[00:09:55] She wants some control, for sure. She's got a binder. She's like, we don't have any [00:10:00] HOA, however, you know, here are some rules that we abide by. We have thought there. That are a good idea and that is like straight out of, like, that is, that is scary to me. Like that, that was scarier to me than the haunted house.

[00:10:16] That was scarier to me than anything else. Like that is some scary, scary stuff. Trust me. There's no, there's no fright, like a determined Karen walking your direction. Okay. With a binder. Even with a binder? Yeah. Oh yeah. With a binder and a cell phone in her hand. Ooh. That is like the worst that you can imagine.

[00:10:34] And to de uh, to definitely to a lot of people. Uh, let's just, let's just put it that way. Um, but you know, I love that Barrell was like, was not even having it. Barrell was like. Okay, well, you could take your rules. You could take, I'll take your pie. You could take your rules back and shove it up your ass.

[00:10:48] Yeah. I tell Merril like, looked at the rules. She's like, huh, no, uh, well, what'd she say? No big topiary or something like that. She's like, but I noticed you have like, yeah, a huge tree in your yard. And Sharon's like, oh, [00:11:00] well, you know, my, the tree towering, the towering maple was, uh, was grandfathered into the rules.

[00:11:05] So I am, I am fine, uh, with, you know, with my tree there. Well, and because Beryl is like an artist and she's like, look, it's casting a lot of shadows into my, into my studio and I just would love to have some light. And Sharon's like, no, this is, this is the tree. She raised her kids under. Jason. This is the tree that her daughter took her first steps under.

[00:11:26] By the way though, I was like aware. 'cause it's like in between two. Driveways. I was like, was the house not there at this time? I was like, where, where is this going? And how far are those roots? Did they get into the stic? You know, like, I'm just really thinking it through. Yeah. So like, I think we get kind of a time lapse of, uh, you know, all the ways that barrel is annoying to Sharon.

[00:11:49] Uh, AKA barrell just living her life, which is annoying Sharon, because Beryls Beryls doing art in her studio, topless, which, uh, Sharon can see outside her [00:12:00] window what Sharon asks Cam her husband ask, asking her husband. But guess what, Sharon, if you weren't looking out your window, looking in her window, you wouldn't have seen it probably.

[00:12:07] So mind your own business. How about that? Um, also, you know, there are wind chimes that Beryl has that annoys Sharon Snow end. So she's doing a lot of, uh, beryls doing a lot that that really gets under Sharon's skin, grinds her gears. If you'll, this was interesting to me, the wind chime of it all because at the same time.

[00:12:25] My mom has just procured some wind chimes and she's like, we have to, we have to put them inside because the neighbors will get bad. And I'm like, when? When did this happen? Yeah. When was this a thing? Because I sure remember growing up and hearing wind chimes all over the place. Like Yeah. You know, and, but I didn't know it was like a noise ordinance type of thing.

[00:12:46] And my parents do not live in an HOA by any means. But I was like, so you're gonna hang a wind chime inside? Yeah. Yeah. Not, not the question. How does that question, not to question Mama Garza, but I'm like, she's like inside the point of wind [00:13:00] chimes. Is it chimes because of the wind? Outside? Outside. And I don't think there's a lot of wind inside.

[00:13:05] So what do you, what what is she gonna do? Just like walk by the wind chime. Just like hit them soon as they go off. Like what's okay. To be fair, it's going in a three season room, so when the windows are open it will chime. But then I'm like, mom, the windows are open. Why? How is that any different than being outside?

[00:13:21] What is a three season room? Uh, so like, you know how people have enclosed their porches, Uhhuh, that's kind of Yeah. It's one of those, like, we don't go in there in the winter. We only go in the spring. That's smart Summer. That's yes. Oh, oh, I like that. That's smart. Um, but yeah, I think the purpose of the wind chimes that you have them outdoors and so that when the wind's blowing can hear them.

[00:13:40] And I do understand the, uh, inherent annoyingness of, of wind chimes, how they could be rather annoying to your neighbors. Um, but it felt like barrell had like a, an overwhelming amount of wind chimes. Yeah, there was a lot of wind chimes there. Maybe just like one wind chime in your uh, yard will do. But Barrell [00:14:00] had a lot, which really enraged Sharon.

[00:14:02] Oh my gosh. She could not handle it. She could not, she could not deal with it. And then she was like, she's doing this on purpose. She's keeping me up. She's having parties with drum circles and also these wind chimes, like it's all again, uh, not to say that again, the Sharons are like Karen, but it's all about what's happening to her.

[00:14:17] Yes, for sure. It's all about what is impacting she, and it does really hope that, uh, Sharon has a husband and a daughter that also seemed to be rather sick of her and her, uh, uptight ways because I mean, we, we meet, we see the husband a few times. He's just kinda like, okay, honey, like, like calm down, like, relax, like chill.

[00:14:35] Well, yeah. She's like, it's complaining about this party. And he's like, well, we were invited. Yeah, you wanna go out? We can be cool, be cool and like be a part of fun stuff. She's like, no, we can't, we can't do it. So yeah, she, she is obviously is having some vendetta against, uh, against Beryl. And, uh, you know, we, we.

[00:14:55] We see this, this thing happening with, with Sharon in, uh, in barrel. [00:15:00] Uh, and then we see like the, we see the, the title card many, many, many bad days later. Um, we see a barrel's having a party, and she's also requesting that Sharon trim her, her tower maple because of the affirmation, you know, shade, shade into the studio.

[00:15:19] Uh, well, and we get this whole thing, which was really interesting later on because the husband's like, oh, it's just a tree, you know? And she's like, no, this is the tree. This is our family. And he's like, I didn't know it meant that much to you. Oops. Yeah. And then like, the next thing we see, the tree's dead and it has to get cut down.

[00:15:36] Yeah. I mean, we, we see that, oh, the tree is dying. It's, uh, of natural causes. Wink, wink. And I think I, I think Sharon, although we don't learn this until later, Sharon does think there's some foul play a a at work there. Yes. But she suspects it's barrel because barrel's been talking about this, and we find out later, it was just the husband trying to make peace between the neighbors.

[00:15:58] Yeah. [00:16:00] The, let's talk about it now, because we do, like, at the very end, we find out that the husband's like, oh no, I poisoned the tree because I didn't want it to be such a issue like. That's not like that, that's not the husbandly thing to, like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go to that. I would maybe try to convince my wife to, you know, come to reason and maybe make a compromise.

[00:16:23] Trim, trim the tree or take some branches off. Not, I'm going to go outta my way to poison this thing my wife loves surreptitiously so that it gets taken down. And that was a shitty husband thing to do. I got, I kind of felt for Sharon in that, in the, in that moment, it's the moment of her arrest, but I kind of felt for her that we're like, damn, that's, that's effed up.

[00:16:44] I felt I, it was interesting because Karen, uh, I was about to call Karen, Sharon is. A murderer who Yeah. Is, is obviously wackadoodle, but there were certain times where I kind of felt for sharing on this journey, like [00:17:00] there's a moment where she finds out that her husband and her daughter had this thing called Yeah.

[00:17:05] Uh, uh, mom free time. Yeah. Mom free time. Where they're like, uh, we've had enough with mom, let's go hang out, uh, by ourselves with, without informing Sharon that they're doing this. So sneaking off to have daddy daughter time, which is like, oh, I, I kind of felt for Sharon those moments. I also, but we don't know if they tried to say, Hey mom, this isn't our thing anymore.

[00:17:29] You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if they tried to have those conversations and maybe they they did. They, they, they did, they got the reaction. They knew the reaction they were gonna get. Yeah. They tried to like, be like, Hey, I don't want to trick or treat anymore. I don't wanna help out this. It would, it would be a whole thing with Sharon.

[00:17:43] So instead of say, instead of even going to Sharon like, Hey, me and, uh, dad wanna go out and do something, she'd have a, she'd have a, you know, a fit about it. Well, there is that whole scene where Beryl like sends donuts over to, with the request to trim the tree. And like [00:18:00] Sharon's daughter, Avery. Avery. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:18:04] Avery was like, oh my gosh, donuts, I'm so excited. And she's like, no, throw 'em in the trash. This is like a bribe, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, okay, well, we could kind of see how that conversation would go. We could kind of make some inferences there. So first of all, I, when I first saw that the, there was a husband in bed with her while she was like listening to the wind chimes and like, not sleeping or whatever, I was like, oh, that's it.

[00:18:28] He is just gonna be lying in bed. But he had a much player, much more active role in this than I had anticipated. For sure. For sure. Yeah. So, and we get the, the, the scene where we're, we're making Halloween plans and Barrel is in charge of the Halloween maze and, you know, as little will need some help and the gr the great and kind Sharon.

[00:18:49] Agrees to help put the together well, but not because, not about her own like Goodwill, right? Like this is, okay, so this is Sharon's gig. She's got a [00:19:00] map, she has assigned things to people. There's the moms behind her, all of this stuff. And Bell's like, oh, like I'm happy to do the maze. And Sharon's like, okay, great.

[00:19:09] I'll just like let you know all the people who have done it before. And be's like, nah, Uhuh, uh, not this year. I've talked to some of the ladies and I think we should make it even goer, even cooler than before. And all of everyone else was like, yes, let's do this. Yes, we will help you Barrell. And that's when she's like, I am so busy, but I live next door.

[00:19:30] So I'll help you. Yeah. Barrell is like, you know, I don't know for anyone else that watches that watched the Walking Dead out there. Barrell is like the Rick Grimes that comes into the, the settlements where everything was all good with the settlement. We were surviving the zombie hoard. We had a certain way of doing things.

[00:19:52] People may not like the person in charge or the person in charge keeps everything running. Rick Grs, his crew comes in there and everybody starts lacking. Rick Grs is way [00:20:00] better. And it's like at some point you gotta be like, ah, Rick Grimes is gonna change my community. Rick Grimes is gonna, you know, is gonna, is gonna take my, my main job away from me.

[00:20:09] That's what it feels like because it's like a power, like power grab. Like she's worried about her influence in the community and the fact that she can't be president of, what was it? The welcome committee. The safety committee. The PTA. The yeah. Again and the bat. And again, it feels like she made herself the president of all these things.

[00:20:26] Maybe over these silent objections of the other, uh, of the other ladies in the neighborhood. 'cause they're all probably scared to Yeah. Come up against Sharon. But here comes Beryl in her free spirited ways. Who doesn't give a crap about Sharon and her ways is just like, oh no, I'm gonna do this myself.

[00:20:42] I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this, this stuff. Everybody's like, oh my God, you have such great ideas. A AKA ideas that aren't Sharon's. We'll get behind you. She's like the cool aunt, you know? Yeah. Like the cool aunt that comes over or that like, has different ways of thinking or like, um, the liberal and the fa in a, in a family of [00:21:00] conservatives, you know, it's like, oh my gosh, you're so, what do you mean?

[00:21:04] Do you have paint? Yeah. Colors. Like what? And Sharon don't like that at all. Sharon, I think feels the, the power of barrel starting to infect the, the, the community. Whoa. She can't have that. Her name is Barrell. She might as well just roll through, you know, like, she might as well just roll on over. Uh, but yeah, I mean, and we find out later that Barrell really is like really community minded.

[00:21:29] She's been helping husbands make ceramics for, for their wives. Uhhuh. She lets the, she lets the kids come over and get high and drunk, like she, like any good a neighbor would do. At least you're, it's like the cool mob. Like the cool mob. Yeah. Like in mean girls, you know, like at least you're doing it here at least.

[00:21:48] Yeah. Yeah. But she did stop Xander, a neighborhood kid from stealing painkillers. So at least she has. She has lines. She has, she, yeah, for sure. She has line. That's a good way of putting it. And so, yeah, we, we [00:22:00] get to the Halloween night, we get to the Halloween maze, and, uh, barrel is in the middle of the maze and she is a, I loved this.

[00:22:08] Yeah, this is fun. This is good. This, she's like a disembodied head on a platter in the maze. Yes. And she like, I guess, directs the children to where they can go to get their candy or whatever, and Yeah, we see, we see what, uh, Sharon's up to Sharon's, uh, got a whole pumpkin get up. She does this whole thing where she sits on the porch and wait for kids jump scare crow.

[00:22:31] Ah, bu So she does this whole thing. She waits for the kids to come up on the porch and she jump scares them by, you know, leaping out of them as they get their candy. Which I, which, you know, I was like, for Sharon to be so like. Up in everybody's business. Why? Why would she? Because she says it's a thing that she does every year, right?

[00:22:50] Like I, I would assume, why would you do this instead of being out in the neighborhood doing other stuff? And also after the first year or the second year, what do people already know? That's what you're gonna do. [00:23:00] Like, I don't know. It was weird. I was like that. That's a weird, I mean, but I guess she needed a, a way to, to commit the crime and she sees Avery off to her comedic, 'cause Avery's going to, uh, do something with the community volunteer in the community volunteering.

[00:23:14] Yeah. Uh, so she thinks, and. So, yeah, this is her way to, I guess, give herself an alibi for the murder. And next thing we see is Barrell is, is doing the thing in me. This was so hilarious because we have the, okay, first of all, I didn't even know that we were in Sleepy Hollow until like later. Mm-hmm. But this makes sense with the Embodi.

[00:23:34] So we've got, we've got Barrel with her head sticking out of a box, basically. Like she's telling all these kids, you're in the middle of the maze, take your candy and run before you know you're take it or whatever. And then Sharon comes in, trusted her husband's scrubs with a chainsaw and everything, and she's like, Sharon, like all you is like, which I, I think [00:24:00] brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal.

[00:24:01] We don't see any of the gory details, but this has to be like the gnarliest, one of the gnarliest goriest bloodiest ways that we have. You know, murdered someone on this show. I'm like, wow. They, they went, like, they went full tilt with it. Like did, like cutting someone's head off with a chainsaw. She, yeah.

[00:24:23] Oh, man. Well, and like, they did a good job because the tree got cut down with the chainsaw. I did love the guy who cut the trees down. Attitude of nature, man. Sucks. Sometimes it just happens. And then there were chainsaws throughout all the maze, so I didn't, but I did not expect the chainsaw to be the murder weapon at all.

[00:24:44] Especially coming from Sharon. I didn't, would wheel the chainsaw cut someone's head off? Like, yeah. Who, like, I'm, I'm just thinking of like the, the act of doing it. Like, would Sharon be like, all right, I'm just gonna chainsaw this lady's head off, I guess. [00:25:00] Like, wow. I did not see the psychotic in Sharon there.

[00:25:03] Um, but yeah. And that, and, and y'all, that wasn't, that was like, that took up a good. 8, 9, 10. All of that happens before Elsbeth or anyone from the precinct is on camera. Yeah. At all. I I definitely at certain points like this is going on a little long. Like this is like the, I feel like this is longer than we're used to of the murder happening.

[00:25:25] And it took a long time, but yeah, we eventually, we eventually get, get the, the crime done. We see, I was it the, I, I think the props people took barrel's head to their headquarters. 'cause at a certain point the guy was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Why do we have an extra head? Yeah. And so I guess I some way, but also how did you not know it was a real head?

[00:25:47] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, y'all can't be that good to have props that look like extremely, uh, accurate to someone's head. It really, it had to smell. Yeah, for sure. And didn't her brain pop out of the head or [00:26:00] something? Like I, it, it was weird. So the justification we get for. Our people getting involved is that the head was discovered in the props people's headquarters in the city.

[00:26:13] So I guess it makes it, I guess, a, a crime covered by the NYPD because when ELLs Smith and Donnel Lee get there, Sharon's like, oh, why isn't Sheriff what or whatever, uh, handling this. He's a sheriff of Sleepy Hollow. And that's the, that was the justification, like, well, the body with the head was discovered in the city, so it becomes a city issue.

[00:26:31] I was like, okay, sure. Can we just talk about a moment here where Sharon is so Karen, because she is like, well, first of all, the prop guys come to clean up everything, and she's like, I give you permission as the. You know, p president of the safety committee or whatever to take all this stuff and she signs it and everything.

[00:26:50] But then when Elizabeth comes back here, she's like, those guys are so, it has to be them. The guy's name is Chop. Like, what else could it be? Like [00:27:00] he likes chop salad. Like that's it. Like, and but she was so, so targeting these men this entire time. 'cause later it's like, oh, it was probably them. They were probably getting high and Ellizabeth was like, no, they were having a nice Holli Halloween charcuterie board.

[00:27:17] Yeah, because one of them's in, in culinary school. So this was, this was very Karen behavior for Sharon. Yeah. That's a, that's a Sharon, Karen for you really casting aspersions on other people without any information. So, and it's, you know, I think Ellsworth kind of clocks immediately that Sharon is trying to put this on other people like.

[00:27:36] Like from minute one, she's like, oh, like you're coming at me kind of hot here. Like, you didn't even ask me how Barrell died or what, what the situ, what the circumstances were. You just came in, you just came in guns blazing, trying to point blame to someone. So think that's the first, like ding to Ellsworth, like, huh.

[00:27:53] Okay. And also, let me just stand next to and play with this wind chime. Yeah. While I'm [00:28:00] talking to you and see what your reaction is. Yeah. Which, you know, only is only in the way that Elsworth can do it is that she's, uh, awkwardly trying to pretend like she's not doing this thing that she knows she's doing, uh, to annoy Sharon and see what her reaction is to Sharon.

[00:28:16] Yes. Yes. Uh, and, and let's, let's talk about the costume of it all for this episode. Yes. Where it's part of the Halloween theme. We find out, uh, at the precinct that Ellsworth's costumes arrived late, so she couldn't take part in Halloween. So she's making this halla week. It is. I know, I, I loved, first of all, the costumes were over the top, even more than a regular costume would be.

[00:28:45] They were very, like, the size of Elizabeth's hat at one of these things was hilarious. And I loved thought you were the physical comedy between, I thought it was the Titanic. I had no idea. I thought you were the gilded age. I was like, yeah, met too outfit. Um, but I love the Wagner's response to, [00:29:00] it's like, how, uh, h because she comes in and she's like, Halloween's not just one day.

[00:29:04] She's like, here it is. Yeah. Here it actually is. Ellizabeth. It actually is. Yeah. Um, and you know, I, I think, I think if you wanna really look at this, like this is real life. Like I think ELLs been dressing up in these extravagant Halloween costumes at a murder scene. And it is like a little, a little tone up.

[00:29:22] A little much. Yeah, a little much, a little much, a little much. Uh, I'm not a, especially when it's not the day proper. Yeah, exactly. You know, we didn't need to make this a week one costume. I get it. Mm-hmm. I'm not a my Fair Lady fan or Stan, but apparently this is this. All these costumes were my Fair Lady adjacent.

[00:29:42] I feel like you would be a My Fair Lady fan and know about, I mean, I've watched my Fair Lady like once, but the thing that I was really trying to do, as Jason can attest to this, before the pod, I was like, was Anna Ashford in my Fair Lady at all? Like, was she [00:30:00] here? Is there any connection to any. Would be that I have misunder, but I am really trying to understand why so much my fair lady in this particular episode beyond Halloween, like I understand, okay, custom came in late, you're gonna wear it just like one day.

[00:30:17] But the over the repeating of the gag pretty much was like, yeah. A little, a little too much. So maybe there's a connection there that I am not aware of. So if you are aware of it, please let me know. But it is not f from my knowledge through Anna Lee Ashford. Yeah. I mean, we know the kings in general have a affinity toward, uh, Broadway and, and theater and all that stuff, so maybe it's part of that.

[00:30:43] I I did enjoy the different, the different co the different outfits, different costumes and the, the, the bad accents that Ellsworth to put on. At first, I was like, you know, I'm all, I'm all for a bad accent, a bad, a bad impression. The cocky accent. Yeah. So that, that was a fun moment. But, uh, yeah, it was [00:31:00] a nice sight gag every time Ellsworth changed out of her, out of her co out of and into other costumes.

[00:31:06] Uh, but you know, a little much for a murder investigation. Like why, why is this lady being so silly investigating this, this murder? It did give us a few good moments though, because at one moment, at one time, they were interrogating the, uh, landscaper who came to like cut down the tree. Mm-hmm. He was like, what is this?

[00:31:25] Is this a prank show? And detective third watch is like, it could feel like that sometimes. Like yeah. Like, yeah. This is, this is pretty much how it is. Uh, detective th detective third watch, AKA Detective Donnelley. I think, I think the evolution of the detectives in Elsbeth has been something to follow, something to watch from season one, who everybody, mm-hmm.

[00:31:44] Every single detective hated Elsbeth, hated Ellsworth ways of doing things. They start to slowly learn by season two that Ellsworth does some things right. It seems like in season three, all the detectives are just kind of following Ellsworth's lead because it's like, all right, it's been kind of proven that Ellizabeth knows what she's doing.

[00:31:59] We're kind of [00:32:00] let her take the lead. And it, detective third watch was even kind of like. Trying to bond with Elsbeth in certain moments in this, in this episode, just like, oh, that's kind of a new wrinkle. Like Detective third watch who is usually pretty gruff and pretty like, you know, no nonsense is asking is they're talking about neighbors and Detective Third watch is like, Hey, you know, let's do work.

[00:32:17] We're all part of a, we're all part of a community here. Get to know your neighbors. It's like, okay, detective third watch, who I recently saw to Detective third watch a K Molly Price in the movie Roof Man with a Chain table. Oh. Uh, when she showed up, when she popped up on the screen, I was like, oh, it's Detective third watch.

[00:32:34] Um, which is how I don't forever know her from now on. Thanks to you Marissa. Yeah. Well, I mean, she is talk to third watch. Mm-hmm. Um, she, I, I did enjoy that conversation because they were talking about like the differences between like living in the city versus living in the suburbs. And basically Detective third watch was like, yeah, you know, like in the suburbs.

[00:32:56] People know you, but they know everything about you. Like there's a lot, you [00:33:00] get a loss of privacy, but in the city, you may not know who lives next door to you, but they're still gonna watch out for you and they're still gonna make you know, sure that you're okay. And I just have to say in 2025, as I usually do pretty much every episode of talking about a brokered record, but this is very poignant because of what's going on in the world and how, you know, people in cities are looking after, and they're doing so in the suburbs as well, but like looking after their neighbors, taking care of each other and making sure that everyone's safe at the end of the day.

[00:33:28] And they used like this little anecdote from ELs, both of saying, you know, I, I Gonzo lost a toy and I put up a, you know, put up a sign and I never heard anything. And Detective third watch was like, just like, hold on. Like, just wait a little bit. You'd be surprised. And she, at the end of the episode, we get the toy back.

[00:33:46] So, yeah. You know, I, I, I kind of thought that was going to be like we were gonna get more with the toy and maybe. Maybe someone found the toy. Maybe it'd be a, maybe a new love interest for Elsbeth. I don't know. Uh, I thought maybe you'd be [00:34:00] a fireman. It'd be a meet. Cute. And I was like, uh, uh, uh, no, we just got the toy left on the balcony.

[00:34:05] I did see, I did see people online saying that, wouldn't it be an interesting if Detective Third Watch and Elsbeth were neighbors and this is how they found out? Oh, that would be fun. That've been cool. Um, but yeah, so like I said, that was this interesting moment for, for Detective Thur watch and, and, and Ellsworth to, to have this bonding moment.

[00:34:22] I, and to, I think it was, you know, it didn't really hit me until you, you talked about the community stuff here where I'm sure this wasn't the intention at the time. 'cause I'm sure the attention at the time when this was filmed, we didn't really have all the stuff going on with, you know, ice agents. It was common and all this stuff.

[00:34:39] It was in the ether, but it was not being hacked out. Yeah, yeah. So it, it, it also, and I'm sure they didn't intend this, but this is just our brains and how our brains work, how we think about stuff in the, in the modern day of like. We've seen like video of community. Yeah. Literally protecting, yeah.

[00:34:56] Protecting people in their community and neighborhoods from ice agents. So that, [00:35:00] and that was also really interesting. Like just in, in, in my brain, I'm sure your brain, like relating those things that we've been seeing, especially for you living in Chicago where it's very like every day prevalent right now.

[00:35:10] Yeah. And just seeing these videos online of people, um, protecting their neighbors and, and citizens from, uh, from the ice agents out there just pro just randomly patrolling and randomly snatch people off the streets or, you know, randomly using tear gas at a Halloween parade, whatever, you know, whatever they end up doing.

[00:35:29] Yeah. Well, it, it, it, it kinda struck me in that way. It more so did what you were just describing, like the community aspect of it. It was like, yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. I'm sure it wasn't intended, but that's what I thought of. And I think it reminds me, you know, I have to say there are times where I feel very alone.

[00:35:44] That I don't have anyone around me. I don't really know my neighbors. I know my neighbor exists. I grew up in a family where I knew, and I still know the same people that live next to me growing up, still live next to my parents. Like I, they still have, we still have the same neighbors. I played with all the kids.

[00:35:58] I know everybody's phone [00:36:00] numbers by heart. Like we were that close. And so the fact that I don't have that as an adult where I live now is like a little unsettling because it's like, it's not just like the cup of sugar, you know? It's like making sure everyone is safe. So there was a fire, like a fire, it wasn't like.

[00:36:17] The fire alarm went off. Everyone was okay, but I was out there going, hi, I am Marissa. I live on the third floor. Hi. Like, hi, this is, you know, Marissa, this is me. This is me. Like, hi, here I am. Can I help you with anything? Like, I'm here, I just want you to know that I exist. And Marissa, it's okay to be vulnerable here and admit that you pulled the fire alarm.

[00:36:36] No, I didn't. To make friends. It's okay to admit that here, do not make, do not make me live up to your Halloween last name. Um, but, but you know, it, just say hi to your neighbors. Like that's mm-hmm. You know, and even, you don't have to say, you don't have to introduce yourself. You don't have, just hold the door for them, say hello, say, oh my gosh, it's so cold outside.

[00:36:58] Or, oh, it's so hot. Or this [00:37:00] unseasonable weather. You know, like, you think that those things don't matter, but they really do matter. 'cause they create a connection so that if there is something like a lost dog toy or an ice raid. People know that there are people around that need help and need protection.

[00:37:14] So yeah, that it community doesn't have to be like a really, it doesn't have to be. Oh, that's interesting. It doesn't have to be like Sharon, Sharon thinks she's doing community things. Sharon thinks that she's running a community and doing things for the community. She's doing things for herself through a community.

[00:37:32] What's happening, what happened with Gonzo and the toy is real community of saying, oh, look, I saw this dog toy. Here's the thing. Let me return it. So it's a selfless, it's a selfless act that, you know, yeah. That doesn't require someone patting you on the back, doesn't require someone, you know, uh, knowing that you do something for them.

[00:37:48] It's, it's, yeah, like, like you said, it's Sharon's doing things for Sharon's benefit and also trying to like get the ible kudos for, you know, for doing things. Returning a [00:38:00] dog toy and just leaving on the balcony is just like, Hey, like I saw this, that you needed this, I found this and I got it back for you.

[00:38:06] Returning the shopping cart in the, in the, uh, parking lot. Mm-hmm. That's pretty much like the same type of thing. It's like, I don't want your car to get hit, so I'm going to put this back. Yeah, for sure. For sure. That's about it. Uh, that is, that's your community. Um, yeah. Uh, outreach, um, you know, uh, tangent for the have, oh Lord, you know?

[00:38:27] Yeah, for sure. If, if, if we encouraged you to get to know an neighbor today, we, we, if we encourage one person, we get, hey, but also like, we're your neighbors, reach out to us, say hi. Like, yeah. Even though we don't, we're not living right next door to you, you know, like we have. You know, our little good folk crew we're internet neighbor, crew, you know?

[00:38:45] Yeah, for sure. Internet neighbors. Um, but yeah, I, I think it was, I think, I don't know if I, I think Ring got a unpaid for Oh, for sure. Uh, you know, promotion here, the, the way that, it's almost the way that you say Kleenexes for tissues now. People go, [00:39:00] they had a ring cam on their, on their door, which is like, it doesn't necessarily have to be a ring, uh, branded camera for it to be like, it's a camera you put at your door, because I guess Ring was the most prevalent brand that has done it in, in, in recent times.

[00:39:13] It's like, oh, everybody has a ring cam on the door on their, on their doors now, which is like, you know, it's well's so funny. It's easier than saying doorbell camera, like, you know, or like, what would you call it? I mean. Again, my parents have one. They're like, let me check the Arlo. Yeah, exactly. That's it.

[00:39:30] But no one knows what an Arlo is, but everyone knows what a ring is. Nest, nest, nest, nest is getting a little more pub. But yes, ring, ring is still like the, the preeminent brand. So even, even if you have a Arlo where Nest is being gonna be called a ring cam, that's pretty funny. Yes, for sure. And these ring cams come into play pretty, uh, pretty well here in this episode because we use the ring camera to look at barrels, uh, visitors, which at first glance, it seems like there are a lot of neighborhood husbands coming over to Be's house and you could only [00:40:00] assume one thing at that point that they're coming over there for some extracurricular activities.

[00:40:05] We also see, uh, Xandr a neighborhood teenager running away from the house and arguing with Barrel. So mm-hmm. Everyone's, you know, our people are like, huh, let's talk to Xandr. 'cause he seemed to have gotten to an altercation with barrel at a certain point. So we get Xander in here. Xander says, oh yeah, I was, I was trying to steal some of her painkillers, so she caught me.

[00:40:25] She got mad. And you know who you're really shocked was Avery. 'cause Avery really hates her. Avery, who is Sharon's daughter. Daughter. So that leads us over to Avery, who Avery had like, had some texts with Xander, like exclaiming, she's gonna kill Beryl for being mad at Xander. Like, again, I know you're a teenager, but why would, why would you be mad at someone for getting mad that you were trying to steal the painkillers?

[00:40:50] Come on, Avery. Use your brain. Um, but so that, that leads us over to Avery, which kind of leads us also into the realm of Sharon A. Little more. [00:41:00] Yeah. That's where we find out about like, mom free time and that Avery actually hates Halloween. She mm-hmm. Doesn't like it at all. And um, from here, you know, I think we.

[00:41:13] It's the ring camera also comes into play, but on the other side too, so like, we get the, the fact that, um, Avery is like lying to her mom and doing all this stuff, and, um, they were out at this diner, her and her dad were out at his diner at the exact time that Barrel was killed. So this is like kind of not gonna work out.

[00:41:32] But then there's this whole thing, ellizabeth is like, well, there wasn't enough time for Avery to get back technically and go through the, go through the Maze Insurance. Like, nuh, she like, doesn't know anything about the maze. So, you know, that couldn't have happened. And I was just like, cool. Basically she's like, bet.

[00:41:49] Like, let's go see. Let's go find out. And so she, you know, was timing, um, Sharon as they're going through the maze and then halfway through she gets a call from Detective [00:42:00] Donnelly. It's like, oh, what? Oh, they're arresting her right now. Even though she's a minor. You could not, like, you could not. Time, the fast amount of time it took Sharon to get out of this maze.

[00:42:14] So basically, Elsbeth was like, well, it looks like you knew about the maze, even though you told me that you didn't know anything about the maze. So yeah, there you go. It was also interesting 'cause Elsbeth, it usually takes a long time for Elsbeth to like try and scare the, the murderer. This is, this happened relatively fast in the episode where Ellizabeth like, let's Sharon know, like I'm onto you.

[00:42:37] Like, well, and she says, well, because Sharon's, of course Sharon, this was also a plus acting by Annalie because this was classic white mom non tears. Because she's like, I just tried to do everything for the community and why does everyone blame me? And I was about this just like, listen, if you like, if you wanna help, help prove that you [00:43:00] didn't do it, find me footage for that.

[00:43:02] Shows that you were on your porch at that time. Show me that, you know? And she's like, I will, I'll find you that footage. I will be exonerated it basically. Yeah. So I mean, we, that's because I, it's, you know, Avery went into that, the, the MA's like, oh, I don't know where I'm going. See, Avery couldn't have done this.

[00:43:20] And then, yeah, she just, she books it as soon as she hears and then Avery might be getting arrested. It's like, oh, okay. So yeah, like you said, gimme some footage that shows you at your porch. We get some footage. It doesn't nec like if, if Sharon wants to do this better, she should have, like, I don't know what she should have done, but this was not exactly like she should have sat in front of the camera because the camera of course was on the door.

[00:43:43] Right. Right. Exactly. Like there was no real way for her to. To do this, but we could see her like the scarecrow hand basically. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just, just there. But there were a bunch of kids that were like standing there and they're like, hello? Yeah. Like, what you gonna, whatcha gonna scare me? Like, how did you [00:44:00] think this is gonna clear you?

[00:44:01] 'cause this just proves that you weren't in that place doing your thing. And Avery tried to, not Avery, no, Sharon, Sharon tried to be like, oh, I didn't wanna scare that particular kid because he's so, it's like, okay. Yeah, sure. And I will say this for Ellsworth, I've been complaining about ellsworth's, uh, reveals for a while.

[00:44:21] Mm-hmm. But this is a really good one. This is like, because Elsworth took Sharon back through the maze and we see a bunch of people, we see a bunch of cops using chainsaws that don't have the chain on them. So Elsa says, oh yeah. Like, you see how that one didn't have a chain on it? Oh, the prop. People were concerned about safety, even though you told them they weren't.

[00:44:44] It's like, so obviously that none of those prop chainsaws could have been used to be had Sharon. Right? So, weird, weird, weird. So you take Avery through the maze again, and then we get to the very end where Sharon, like all of Sharon's neighbors are around [00:45:00] and we see the actual real chainsaw. She says, see, this is the actual chainsaw that was used, and it was a chainsaw that was u used to cut down your tree.

[00:45:08] Which I was like, why? Like, doesn't, don't the tree people have their own chainsaws. Why the chainsaws? Yeah. That was weird. That was a, that was a weird like hand wavy way of looking. Like, oh, don't, don't, don't worry about it. It she, it was there in, she in, uh, barrel's garage. So this is the one that was used to, you know, cut down the tree.

[00:45:27] It also used and barrel toy had Meryl Barrel. Yeah, and I think what, what I expected to happen here is before going into the maze and doing all of this, I was about is like we got a fingerprint. This is fingerprint breaks, the whole case open. And I was like, oh, here's the chainsaw. The fingerprint must have been on the chainsaw.

[00:45:47] Yeah, case closed. Badda b Badda boom. She's like, actually there was a fingerprint from Tommy, the kid that you wouldn't scare on the scarecrow dummy that we found in your garage. And that gave us the warrant that allowed us to search your plumbing. And then we found parts a [00:46:00] barrel in your plumbing, and that's how we know that you killed a barrel.

[00:46:02] And I was like, okay. That. The journey far, the journey there was very odd. Right? Because like you said, little Timmy's fingerprint was on the dummy's glove, which is like, I guess they're saying that she left and put the dummy in the, in her place. Yes. And there's footage of him going up and like Yeah, touching the dummy and saying like, hello, why aren't you scaring me?

[00:46:25] Basically, I was like, okay. But what we ended at was, this was just a roundabout way to get a warrant to start to look at her pipes, and we found pieces of barrel in her pipes at her house, which I'm like, see now that. Is like stone cold evidence. Yes. That this, this is something that's gonna get her convicted in court.

[00:46:45] Yes. Like, that's the type of evidence you need to be getting ELLs Smith. So I liked that they didn't use this like, 'cause I, I've been complaining about ELLs Smith's like circumstantial evidence for, for a while now. But like, this is just, this is beyond shot of a doubt [00:47:00] evidence that you kill Beryl because there are, there are bits and ugh, bits and pieces of her in your pipes from when you wash bit, from when you washed her brain and bone off of your body.

[00:47:11] Oh, gross. Um, so yeah, that was great. Like, wouldn't you just throw them away? Like, wouldn't you burn them, wouldn't you? Like why did you wash them? Like, well, I think, well I think maybe she had pieces of of barrel on her, like on her body, on her face maybe. No, they said they got for the plumbing attached to the washing machine.

[00:47:30] Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, Sharon, come on girl. Come on. You gotta burn those clothes. Yeah. Uh, murder 1 0 1 from Ja, from Jason. Em, but also just know that your plumbing can be subpoenaed. Yeah, for sure. Like, I, plenty of people have been caught that way with, uh, someone else's blood in their pipes. Um, so yeah, that, that was, uh, you know, sloppy Sharon getting caught.

[00:47:53] And we do find out that at this whole, like this end of the end of the maze meeting with all [00:48:00] of Sharon's neighbors, she's like, yeah, you all hated Barrell, right? Everyone's like, no, no. We loved Barrell, but they were, but Barrell was effing all your husbands. It's like, no, no, they weren't, they were there being taught pottery by a barrel to make us these cute little mugs or whatever.

[00:48:17] I was like, well, it was, it was so like pottery. What or what? Yeah, we all got ashtrays. Yeah. I was like, what? That was crazy. That was, that was like ridiculous. So I was like, okay. And you know, we also like, it seems like, you know. Sharon's getting no sympathy from the husband or Avery. They're like, girl, you crazy.

[00:48:37] Well, and he is like, yeah, I did kill your tree because I really wanted to like help you out, but there's really no help in you. So a betrayal, the betrayal. And I did, I, I loved, uh, Sharon's reaction to all this. Like, she's brought into this big production by ELs Smith, and at the end when ELs Smith lays it out out her, Sharon's like, well, why did you just [00:49:00] tell me that?

[00:49:00] Like, why do we have to do all of this? It's like, I, I don't know. It was an interesting like. Meta commentary of like, why do we have to have this whole presentation? Why didn't you just come to me, tell me I was under arrest and why I am under arrest? Why did we have to do this whole production? Got all my neighbors together.

[00:49:18] You got my, my, my daughter and my husband here to witness my arrest. Like, why did we have to become a show, which is like. Because it's a show, basically. It's show because it's a show and I mean, she's wearing these costumes. We might as well, you know, like use Yeah, like what did, what use it all, what did Ellsworth and and Donnelley tell you?

[00:49:36] Like, come witness the arrest of your neighbor and, and say your peace while you're at it. Hey, a husband and daughter, your your mom and wife are about to get arrested. Why don't you come have fun and watch? It's like, that is such a weird, uh, conceit of the show. It works though, because I did enjoy, uh, the, the, the portrayal of it, uh, because I have complaints of like, yeah, they just, [00:50:00] you know, in season one we were doing these extravagant reveals, and, but by the end of season two it was just like, all right, you're under arrest.

[00:50:06] Come on. It's like, oh, okay. Well, and like in season one too, like, and this one did kind of harken back to that like everyone had been. Attached to like had been talked to, had been seen or something. You know what I mean? It was like the, Hey everybody, we solved the case that you helped us solve, basically, let me tell you everything that was going on.

[00:50:25] Yeah. And then, but yeah, we got a nice little parting moment from detective third watch where she's, she's like getting in on the ELLs Smith nonsense of it all because you know, Donny's like, oh, I'll say there were trace amounts of the slain stayed mainly in the drain, which is like, okay, detective Donny, you can have fun.

[00:50:43] You can have fun too. That's certain moments. Well, and I think also sees this as like. Well, first of all, you know, they talked about lavish ladies on this. Mm-hmm. Which is something that she would talk to with Kaya on or Kaya about. And then also, you know, playing into this whole [00:51:00] costume thing. So it's not like Detective Donnelley is a replacement of Kaya, but it's like she can still, there are other people that can fill this role for her.

[00:51:08] Like, she doesn't need to be like, oh my gosh, where's Kaya? You know, like she can, she can find different things. Um, but yeah, it also is like El Smith, like my influence. Like think she's getting these text kind one go, go young Grasshopper. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, I think, I think we pretty much covered the, the main case.

[00:51:28] The case, yeah. But we had stuff going on in the precinct too. Yeah. Like, and this was, this was interesting for many reasons, good and bad. Uh, the bad being, detectives Rivers is still here. Like, oh, I thought, I thought we were leaving him in season two. Like why did, why does Zach, he does seem to have gotten, he does seem to have gotten a better personality though.

[00:51:50] I think he's Well, yeah, but best Judy is really helping him out there. Yeah, he's mellowed from when he, we last saw him when he was a kind of a misogynist, uh, jerk when we met him [00:52:00] in season two. So he seems to be a little more mellow here. Uh, I, I would assume this means at some point he's gonna be working with Elsbeth, uh, out on a case since he is reintroduced here, he's reintroduced here, and also to do some other stuff later in the episode.

[00:52:14] Uh, well, yeah, like, just to sum it up, basically we have like, we're introduced to Julia because she is here to help her Father Wagner with some IT stuff, which we did not know. Wagner had kids before this moment. Yeah, well, yeah. I maybe they had, had, they mentioned he had, uh, kids or maybe they had mentioned in the passing.

[00:52:33] But this like, and the way they came into this was like. Because Mercy you asked me in the pre-show did have, we met Julia before because they, there was no real intro to Julia. It was just like everyone knew who Julia was. Everyone went, oh, Julia, you're here is like, wait, who is this person? Like, including Sev.

[00:52:50] Sev goes up and like gives a big hug. Like, and I was like, should I know this person? Like, I don't know this person. Yeah, exactly. So it's, it's a, I guess it's a way for them to give us some [00:53:00] background and context of like, Hey, Elizabeth has met Julia before. Elizabeth and Julia have, uh, been buddies before.

[00:53:06] So it happened off camera. You didn't know about it, but this is something that happened. Everyone Julia's known to everyone far and wide where, you know, rivers who I had kind of forgotten. Like we, like Elvis just walks through the precinct and Rivers and Julia are chumming it up as if they were been here the whole time.

[00:53:21] Like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Who did I walk into another show? Like, who are these people? I was like, oh yeah, that's the Rivers guy. Who is, who is this fine, fine woman over here that they're calling Julia, and then we find out that Julia is Wagner's daughter. I was like, oh, okay. Like, interesting. We're beating a, we're beating a Wagner kid.

[00:53:41] And then to find out over the course of the episode, Wagner doesn't have just one child. He apparently has multiple children, maybe three. I don't know. But Julia, I think is the youngest. Yes. So we don't know, like maybe we'll see other Wagner rights around. Um, but Julia, I, I hope we see Julia again [00:54:00] because she is like really smart.

[00:54:01] She's into it, which is great to see, uh, a black woman, especially on television show. You know, like showing that they can also be into it. It doesn't always have to be the same thing. Love breaking the, the stereotype on that. And then, because it's usually white men, nerdy men who have no, you know what I'm saying?

[00:54:16] Like it, yes. Um, anyw who, so then she's there and you know. Apparently Cameron Cameron's gonna be in every episode now, Cameron's around. He comes in, he's like, yo, captain Wagner. I know exactly what time a barrel died because of her, he, her fitness tracker. And Julia's like, oh, hey, yo, first all, oh, hey Cameron.

[00:54:37] How's so I had, I had many emotions during this precinct. Oh, let's talk about it. Yeah. These precinct, these precinct moments. Because when Cameron comes in, Julia is obviously taking a liking to Cameron. She's like, oh, I mean, yeah. I mean it's, it's Cameron who? Yeah, who is this man? And I immediately become enraged because I'm like, no, you are not.[00:55:00]

[00:55:00] You are not. You cannot. Just replacing Kayah with another black actress. We're not doing that here. No, you can't do this. I, I was like, what I thought was Julia's purpose here. I was like, Uhuh, we not doing this. We not doing it. And then I'm enraged with Cameron because Cameron's like, oh yeah, like I've been trying to get my software updated for a while now, but our texts won't help us.

[00:55:22] And Julia's like, Julia, who was like, obviously has some eyes camera, she's like, oh, I can help you with that. Maybe over lunch. And Cameron, who I guess has no, has not, does not have two brain cells in his head, does not clock that this is like. Not. Oh, no, he clocks. No, he clocks because he responds. He responds.

[00:55:42] No, he clocks. He later tells Wagner he didn't clock it. Uh, he clocks because in his response, because she's using some very like lingo language to camera, and I'm like, you're CMS and blah, blah, blah. And he's like, I'll brush up on my acronyms before then. And I was like, Cameron, [00:56:00] run Cameron ca, Cameron.

[00:56:02] Whatcha you doing? What you doing Cameron? We not doing that now. Many things went through my head at this moment. I said, okay. Are Cameron and Kaia broken up? Like, is that why Cameron seems to be, uh, receptive to this offer? Because if you booed up and some foreign piece of chocolate asked you out for lunch.

[00:56:25] You are to say no if like Yeah, and that's why I appreciated Wagner here, because he is like, uh, Uhuh, no Uhuh. Well, he brings in Cameron later and says, listen, these are two people I care about. First of all, Kaya, which was weird not to say her like his daughter, but it was like, did you forget about her?

[00:56:41] Did you forget about Kaya the woman that you apparently in love with and bake cookies, swear all of the time and live with and all of this stuff. You, you forget about her because I sure didn't. And then also you've got my, my daughter who I know has eyes for you because I was in the same room while it all happened.

[00:56:55] And c and Cameron at that point acts like, oh, what? Of course, [00:57:00] course, of course. But no, course, Marissa, you're are, are you, are you contending that Cameron knew this was more than a professional lunch and he was trying to cheat on Kaia? I don't think he was trying to cheat, but he, I don't think he realized he reacted in the way that he did.

[00:57:16] And to be called on it by Wagner was embarrassing and like, like, I think, well, that's what I said. Yeah. I don't think he, but he, in the moment, he, he was, he was reacting like he, I dunno, I that I, because I did think that at first too, 'cause it was like, why would you agree to this? Like, did, did you not think about how Ka would react to this, Cameron?

[00:57:37] Because I don't think anyone in their right mind would react in a positive way for you being like going to lunch with another woman, even though it is talking about software issues. I, I think in the moment Cameron was a little dense at that first meeting. Okay. And was like, not thinking of it in that way because I think he just didn't realize that Julia was into him.

[00:57:57] Which maybe we need to question [00:58:00] Cameron's. Um, well he is, you know, used to talking to dead people I guess. And maybe Cameron's just an awkward, quirky guy who does not clock when someone is, uh, trying to woo him. Uh, so, yeah. And what, like you said, Wagner calls me the office. I think he makes Cameron aware.

[00:58:14] Like, Hey, like she was coming onto you. Like, I know my daughter. Like this is what she was doing. And Cam's like, oh, oh yeah, no. Like my, like, no, I will, like, that's not, that's not what we're doing here. Like, because like I was worried, I like, does this mean that Cam aka are broken up? But no, apparently, no, no, no.

[00:58:30] Cam aka are still, are still on. Yes. Yes. Uh, and so yeah, like, and then Julia gets upset that Wagner called Cam off on her, which I'm like, yes. So I, I, I was like, so I think, I think the, the best thing to do here would've been for Wagner to be like, he's with someone. Like that's, that's the whole like Sure, yes.

[00:58:51] Yeah, sure. But he, he is so Papa Bear right now because the whole thing was like, he did not realize that Julia was an adult in this situation. Yes. And could [00:59:00] make choices for herself. And even though he thought that Julia was having eyes for Cameron, I mean, she was, but. It's up to her. It's her life. It's her thing.

[00:59:09] So she, he came in and kind of interceded and tried to protect Julia from anything when he could have like said, Hey, he could have had that conversation. But he still, as he says later in the episode, is looking at this photo of Julia from like when she was seven years old or something, and still trying to protect her as a kid when she's 27 now.

[00:59:28] And so she has her own way and can make her own choices. And Wagner really believes in this and is like, Hey Julia, I trust you. Go make your own choices. And then the door. Knox and she has made a choice to go on a date with River. Oh man. And I was like, oh yeah. Oh no, I, I just would've appreciated a, a one line to have said, and by the way, Cameron is, uh, you know, dating or at least like mention Kaya in the presence of both of them.

[00:59:57] Like, yeah. You, you know what I mean? Like something that was like, I wish [01:00:00] I was like, do we need to put Kaia in every room? Like a picture of Kaia in every room? Tape it, tape it to Cameron's chest. My girlfriend, like, this is a picture of Ca Kaia, my girlfriend, uh, spoken for by ca, by Kaia, which I think we should, we should, I think we should start doing in society, when you're in a committed relationship, it's like a, it's like an iron on patch that you have with all your clothes.

[01:00:21] Property of this person? No, not property. No, no, no. Not property. Not property. Property. Not property of property. But the Irish do have a ring, but I, I forget what it's called, but it's like a ring that has two hands and then a heart in it. And you wear it one way when you're single and another way when you're no longer single.

[01:00:36] So that way cool. You can tell people, um, but no property of Jason? No, no property of, sorry. Wrong choice of words there. Um, but yeah, I, I, I think because it is, I wanna know that Julia, if Julia knew about Kaia, she would back off a camera for the sake of her character. Um, but, but Julia was like, it's almost if Julia's like, I don't care if she, if she, he got a, a [01:01:00] girl, I'm gonna go after him anyway.

[01:01:00] It was like, eh, I would appreciate just a, a line there. But yes, as you said, Wagner has, has learned his lesson. Yes, he does. Should not be interfering with the affairs of his grown children. And he sees the rivers and he's, Julie's like, well, it's okay. I'm going to dinner with somebody else. And we find it as rivers, and I will, this was.

[01:01:21] Very interesting because Wagner goes, oh damn, damn, damn. Which is a V like, which is a black ass line from Florida Evans on uh, good times when she goes, damn, damn, damn. When she finds out spoilers that James Senior passed away on that show. Uh, I was like, oh, that was like a interesting, like wrinkle callback.

[01:01:50] Like I would've been interested to know like, was that a Wendell Pierce choice? Yes. Was that, was that within the script? I don't know. Redle. Oh, damn, [01:02:00] damn, damn. I was like, oh wow, that's very interesting. That's very fun. Uh, that is like a callback to Florida Evans. Um, so yeah, that was, so that's gonna be like, I, I just don't know if, I don't know how often Julia's going to be here.

[01:02:14] I don't know up on this. I hope it makes some sort of mess for rivers though, because Rivers. Like, Julia's like, bye Dad. And Rivers is like, yeah, bye dad. Oh god, captain Wagner. And so I'm like, I can't wait for Wagner to take this kind of out on rivers. Maybe put it, put him on some sort of weird case with Elsbeth or something like that.

[01:02:34] Yeah. Um, but I do hope we see Julia around. I think like it was nice. I do too. Marissa. I do too. I just, she was a good ad. She was a good ad to the, very good to the crew. Very good. Very exquisite ad to the crew. Exquisite, lemme tell you. And I love, you know, the representation of my people of having to be the, the IT people to their parents.

[01:02:59] Oh yes. I love [01:03:00] it. I love it. Yes, it is. It's quite a touchstone of, uh, millennial, uh, that's part of our culture. Elder, millennial culture. Yes. Like, and especially basic things like ma making, saving A PDF and then save as like those two things. It was, they, they talked to the people. It was good to see. Yeah, for sure.

[01:03:18] But yeah, so I mean, this was our Halloween episode. Yeah. I mean, we didn't see any ta, Teddy, we didn't Oh, Teddy. We didn't see any Kaya, but we do know that Kaya is still on undercover. And maybe I was on a different case. 'cause as Wagner said, that's the nature of undercover. I'm still, I'm still not sure because Ellizabeth is like, I'm worried about Kaya because she didn't answer the phone.

[01:03:40] Yeah. And wife, oh, maybe she don't know the case. I don't know. I'm like, whack. Whack. You can't like. Can't throw your weight around. And yeah, I'm out. What's going on? Like, I am still worried about Kaia. I feel like she might be in danger, and we're just waiting for that shoe to drop to find out that she's in danger.

[01:03:58] Same, we don't know where she [01:04:00] is or whatever. Uh, so yeah, that's, that was our episode, another eligible episode, you know, still No Marissa Gold sighting yet. I keep waiting. It's next, it's next episode. Confirmed. Uh, because on the, like IMDB, it, it gives like a little, uh, preview of the next episodes. So there's gonna be the Merissa Gold is gonna be next episode.

[01:04:22] She's going to be working for a mayoral candidate. So, I don't know what, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm not gonna say anything. Okay. What, what? I feel like you need to say that. Well, I was like, why would she, why would she do that? Like, she didn't wanna be her father. Why is she being her father?

[01:04:36] Like, what is, what has happened? What is going on? I need to know. Is Eli Gold for me? I dunno. I dunno. Oh my God. I dunno. And also the el, the mural election in New York is happening at the sea, or, well, it'll be over by the time of, but it's like around the same time, so. Mm-hmm. Not that I really like the character of MEA or anything.

[01:04:55] I'm sure I'll be very, very, you'll be very chill. Excited. Yeah. You'll be extremely chill. [01:05:00] Next episode. I'm very NPR r about it. Yeah. Okay. We, we can tell Marissa. We can tell. Um, so that is our episode. Uh, Marissa, do you wanna tell the people where they can find you and what you're up to nowadays? Sure, sure.

[01:05:11] Hey, good folks. You can find me at it's meme merc g.com. We have links to all of the podcast I'm on, including this one. We are both on the podcast waves and on the YouTubers, so if you wanna follow us, any of those places, you can find links there. As you know, we are covering the Good Wife at the same time as we're.

[01:05:28] Covering. So two episodes a week for you on the feeds there. Otherwise, I'm over on Whirlwind podcast talking about Pretty Little Liars when previously on at a time. And my sister and I are traveling through space on Star Trek, the next generation over on our podcast, the USS Sisterhood. Those are all my, my pods at the moment.

[01:05:46] Uh, Jason, what's going on with you? Are we through the thick of it in terms of the love? I know love is blind is done, but I know, uh, married at first picked, married at first sight picked up. So how's it looking [01:06:00] for you over there? Listen, we're outta the frying pan into the fire. Um, so yeah, uh, you know, uh, early, uh, October, November, who knew was a season of love, uh, because we are wrapping up.

[01:06:11] Love is Blind. Season nine overall on the Rock has Podcast Network on the love at First Sight feed. That is where you can find me, Asia Welch and Barry Kowski wrapping up the Love is Blind. Season nine coverage. We did just come out with the reunion recap in the past couple days, so check that out. We are kind of happy to be done with.

[01:06:29] Uh, those don't blame mine. Blame was a little bit of a mess of a season. Uh, so that's done and we are now, we are in kind of the middle phase of Mary First Sight season 19. Uh, me and Asia Welch are covering, uh, that show over on, uh, again, on that same feed. You got Lowes Bond, you'll find mer first sight season 19.

[01:06:47] We've had a lot of interesting things going on with that because we're covering the episodes. And then on Patreon, me and Asia are also covering the show and we are talking to, we've, we, for the past couple weeks. We've talked to some past married first sight [01:07:00] participants. We talked to, um, Michael from season 17 and this week we've talked to Thomas and Camille, who I like to call the winners of season 18.

[01:07:08] 'cause they were the only couple that stayed together. Um, so we talked to Thomas and Camille over on the Patreon. We had a blast talking to them. It was so much fun. So go over to the Patreon, sign up so you can listen to it if ready for sight is your thing. We also. Gotta talk to Pastor Cal, oh my goodness, who is, uh, a, who is one of the experts over for his site, who was one of the people counseling the couples, talking to 'em through their relationship.

[01:07:30] So me and Asia, gotta talk to him for the second time. We had talked to him last year and we talked to him again this year, almost a year apart. So we had a blast talking to Pastor Cal. He is so easy to talk to. I understand why he's an expert on this show because he's so, he's so gregarious, easy to talk to.

[01:07:46] Uh, so we had fun talking about this season, some of the changes made, um, to the format and to, uh, to how they do things over there. So check that out as well. Yeah, got a lot going on. Um, so those are where you can find me. That's where [01:08:00] you can find Marissa. Until next time, stay good.

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