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Technology's daily show (formerly the Technology Brothers Podcast). Streaming live on X and YouTube from 11 - 2 PM PST Monday - Friday. Available on X, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube.
You're watching TVPN. Today is Wednesday, 10/22/2025. We are live from the TVPN UltraDome, the temple of technology.
Speaker 2:The fortress of finance.
Speaker 1:The capital of capital. F one has officially partnered with Apple TV. You probably heard this, but I wanted to go a layer deeper into the strategy that Apple is employing here. So it's a five year partnership, just The United States. ESPN is out.
Speaker 1:Apple is in. The reporting places the annual fee at a 140 to a $160,000,000 per year.
Speaker 2:Now Which is not bad because not long ago, they wanted 200, and ESPN laughed them out
Speaker 1:of They balked.
Speaker 2:Balking is underrated. It is. You gotta be balk, Max.
Speaker 1:And so f one, across the whole season, all the races combined, they pull 30,000,000 viewers. They get about 1,100,000 viewers per race last year. I think it's up to 1,300,000 this year. And then some of the bigger races in The US, like Miami Grand Prix, that gets up to, like, 3,000,000 for, like, this whole spectacle. But in general, it's a relatively small media property, but it's a really high value audience.
Speaker 1:It's a very high it's a very Apple audience, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Apple's audience of people that become fans of a sport because they watch reality television about it?
Speaker 1:Basically.
Speaker 2:Fake fans?
Speaker 1:Now you will actually be able to buy Apple TV and unsubscribe from the f one app because you will get f one for free. And if you open up the f one app on your Apple TV instead of opening the Apple TV app, you open the f one app, you'll be able to log in with Apple TV, the service, and you will get full access to the f one, streams, which means not just the race cams, and the actual production, but you can watch the individual racers, the individual drivers. But I think both the front and the back camera, which is kinda cool. You can watch either. It is a a sport built for monitoring the situation, much like ramp is built for saving you time and money, easy to use corporate cards, bill pay, accounting, and a whole lot more all in one place.
Speaker 1:Do you think this is something that grows f one?
Speaker 2:No. I still think of Apple TV as the thing that, people are doing intentional watching on versus just running it. Right? So the reason that ESPN potentially grew f one's audience was because people just wake up on the weekend, they turn on ESPN Yeah. And it's just on the TV.
Speaker 1:Oh, what's on before football or what's on before baseball?
Speaker 2:So I think it could potentially shrink the audience in The US. Interesting. But it's very clear that live sports
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Are an area that traditional TV and streaming will continue to have an edge because streaming rights exist. It's effectively a a monopoly that gets granted
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To to a platform.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seems really powerful. Is there a real lift from having adjacent sports related content that can funnel new viewers into live sport viewing?
Speaker 1:Apple has doesn't have drive to survive. So there is a world where Netflix bought the f one rights. Yep. And as soon as you finish the drive to survive season, if because everyone's watching drive to survive all the time. So they could just say, hey.
Speaker 1:Click this button, and we'll send you a push notification in your Netflix app when the ray when the real race goes live. Apple can do something similar with the f one movie. If you watch the movie, you could just say, hey. You know, wanna watch the real Yeah.
Speaker 2:But way way way less watch time.
Speaker 1:Less watch. Way less watch time.
Speaker 2:The other thing about f one is just how dangerous it is. Oh, yeah. It's also an element. The driver makes a mistake. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They could actually die.
Speaker 1:Like, the business side is what's so fascinating to me because you're not just talking about the athlete. You're talking about the car. So if you're an engineering nerd, you can be into the car. But then also if you're a business nerd, you can understand, okay. This team principal is getting fired.
Speaker 1:They're like the CEO of the organization. Who's putting the money in? And then what does that what what effect does that money have? If the content stack works and you're funneling people from the f one movie to a drive to survive to actually watching the race, Apple has been, for the last few years, talking about what comes after the screen. And they've been saying it's the Apple Vision Pro.
Speaker 1:It's immersive video. It's three d. It's spatial. It's augmented reality. And I was really, really disappointed in the Apple announcement post, which is beautiful, has some great graphics, bunch of details.
Speaker 1:But basically, all they're saying on Vision Pro is that you'll be able to watch it in Vision Pro, which is like yeah. Of course.
Speaker 2:No. I could
Speaker 1:watch ESPN in Vision Pro. I can watch any TV show in Vision Pro. So that yeah. They're not doing any any three d content, and they're not doing any spatial content, which is it's not look it's not turning your head all the way around and look behind you, but it's basically a bubble. It's like a 180 degrees.
Speaker 1:And so with that, it's not that expensive. Everyone's like, it's so so expensive. It's there's a $10,000 camera from Blackmagic
Speaker 2:that you
Speaker 1:set up very film.
Speaker 2:How would Apple not negotiate the ability to
Speaker 1:I think that they I think they I I I the the the steel man, like, bull cases that, like, they're gonna do something. They just aren't ready to announce it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's potentially, potentially you you know, know, out of the million or so people that tune into each race, there's a set of fans that are hardcore Yep. That would just buy the and use the Vision Pro Yeah. Because it would be
Speaker 1:Even just as a novelty a few times Yeah. Black Box Infinite had a a demo of what watching an f one race in Apple Vision Pro would look like. But, course, like, Black Box Infinite is like a dev shop, and they don't have the rights. And so Yeah. This, like, probably has to be negotiated with Apple, and Apple's just not really doing it.
Speaker 2:Vegas just unveiled the a massive f one venue called Bar and Grill.
Speaker 1:It's like
Speaker 2:top golf for f one. Most generic name in history?
Speaker 1:Extremely. Extremely. Since the initial demo of the Apple Vision Pro, critics and analysts, Ben Thompson and more, have been saying live sports are going to be amazing in Apple Vision Pro because you can just drop a camera there, and you don't need to do anything else. Because he was he had this demo of, an, putting the camera at, the half court line, courtside at an NBA game. And he was like, it doesn't require any production.
Speaker 1:Because you if you wanna see them go over there, you just turn your head. And if you wanna know the score, you just look up at the scoreboard because it's the experience of being courtside, which is already the best experience possible.
Speaker 2:Meta cut 600 jobs at AI Superintelligence Labs. The layoffs do not affect Meta's newest AI hires who are in some case or who are in some cases being paid up to hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1:They're in what's called TBD lab.
Speaker 2:Meta said on Wednesday that it cut approximately 600 jobs in its AI division according to a memo sent to employees that was relayed to the Times as the company seeks to keep pace with competitors in the furious contest over the technology. The layoffs were in Meta's so called super so called So called. So shots fired, which is the umbrella name for the company's AI efforts. The division has around 3,000 employees. This seems healthy and normal.
Speaker 2:I think these 600 people are gonna have a bunch of job offers really quickly, in my view. Like, if you're not meeting the bar at Meta, it's very possible that you would be elite at, like Mhmm. Thousands of other companies that wanna have an AI strategy. Totally. So I think these people will be back in the workforce quickly.
Speaker 2:In a sign of the escalating competition in AI, Meta on Saturday also said it would cut off access to non Meta chatbots like ChatGPT on WhatsApp beginning next year.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:That means I didn't even really three do billion users will no longer be able to use ChatGPT in the messaging app. Apparently, there was, like, around 50,000,000 people that were primarily using ChatGPT through WhatsApp. Woah. That's power user makes sense. You can just chat with somebody.
Speaker 1:Kevin says, it had many many millions of happy users. If you're one of them, you can migrate to our app, website, or browser. Let's hear it for Atlas. RT, if you agree that WhatsApp is better with ChatGPT, let's go. All of the hyperscalers hate each other.
Speaker 1:I think super tell superintelligence is over. If you're at Meta, my advice for you is to start working on hyperintelligence because the superintelligence thing is just obviously it's it's obviously last year's news. Do you agree?
Speaker 2:Giga intelligence.
Speaker 1:Giga intelligence. That's, that might be a twenty, thirty goal.
Speaker 2:Anthropic is currently in compute discussions with Google and a deal valued in the high tens of billions.
Speaker 1:That's a lot.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of billions. If Anthropic prioritizes Google infra over AWS, it's very telling on AWS AI infra. Mhmm. And AWS AI strategy is cooked without Anthropic. Ultimately, I don't think it should be a huge surprise that Anthropic is interested in working with Google.
Speaker 2:Google owns roughly four 14% of Anthropic. If they were in charge of Apple today, the first thing that they would do is buy Anthropic. Yeah. It's a very kind of weird take in my view.
Speaker 1:Anthropic scaling revenue. They're doing b to b token generation, and they need more compute. And so they went to the biggest compute provider.
Speaker 2:Very Drake coded. Yes. I had someone tell me that I fell off. Oh, I needed that. I needed that.
Speaker 1:Anthropic gets wildly disproportionately less MSM coverage than OpenAI despite approaching three quarters of its revenue size because its quiet blowout success severely hurts the broader AI bear case. You'd think the fastest growing scale technology company ever would provide a lot more fodder for the press. Press.
Speaker 2:OpenAI has 10 times the deals Yeah. And 10 times the products getting announced.
Speaker 1:That's true. If you're in the business of, like, the mainstream media, like, you need to put the water issue or the electricity issue or the financial issues in terms people can understand. People understand ChatGPT. So you put that in the headline, and you get more clicks than if you say clock.
Speaker 2:I wonder how Anthropic tries to track weekly actives because they have a lot of their users are are using the product through other Yeah.
Speaker 1:This doesn't matter. OpenAI ships a browser. Anthropic ships a blog post. DeepMind solves Navier Stokes. Meta, F it.
Speaker 1:Let's do a layoff. Let me tell you about Google AI Studio, the fastest way from prompt to production It with Gemini. You can chat with models. You can vibe code. You can monitor usage.
Speaker 2:Louvre heists are always a false flag by the art world to increase notoriety of certain works. Do not fall for the Frankish tricks.
Speaker 1:The Louvre has been heisted from multiple times. They really gotta step their game up.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Do you think the the management team over there is thinking, we shouldn't have we we shouldn't have been so scrappy on security? Considering we have billions of dollars.
Speaker 1:I think if I was in charge of Louvre Security, I wouldn't have thought about the furniture elevator vector of attack.
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