USDN Presents: The Boys Finale and Cobra Kai s6 pt 1

We are discussing our thoughts on The Boys Finale and part 1 of Season 6 of Cobra Kai

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I told you that was a banger.

All right, everybody.

I've seen that.

I've seen that.

Y'all should have seen it backstage.

It was leaning with it and

rocking with it.

All right, so everybody,

I got Gibbs with me tonight, as always.

My brother from another mother.

And then.

What up, what up?

I'm borrowing Ben from Bill

from the pop break.

Somebody new,

so welcome a new council member in.

Also,

I was told that he is the commander

of our hearts.

The poor fella is a

Washington Commanders fan.

Poor fella was a very good

explanation for that.

We'll hold it against you.

We feel for you, buddy.

It's a sad existence for sure.

I'm a Bears fan, so...

Hey, but we've had a good preseason.

We are definitely all suffering.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

How many Super Bowls have the Bears won?

We have one, but it was before my birth.

How many Super Bowls did the

Commanders have?

Yeah, I was alive.

So, yeah,

we're rocking with the four right now.

Now,

ask me how many Super Bowls did the

Falcons have?

You almost had one.

It's fair.

Shut up.

Shut your mouth.

Shut your filthy mouth.

We didn't almost have one.

We bid to two.

28 to three.

Shut the hell up.

I'm hoping that Dan Quinn

has learned a little bit

from that experience and

now he's with us.

Oh, he's learned from it.

All right.

Never can keep a good QB down.

But we're not here to talk about football.

That was Kyle Shannabaum's fault.

But that's it.

I'm done.

I'm done.

But we are not here to talk

about football.

We are here to talk about

something that has been

plaguing Southern

California since the 1980s.

And that is juvenile

delinquency and how two men

who were prior juvenile

delinquents are trying to

remedy this through karate.

ladies and gentlemen if you

haven't figured it out by

now we are talking about

cobra kai season six part

one and by the way this is

the first show off the top

of my head that has gotten

a sixth season through

amazon uh netflix oh

netflix yeah netflix netflix

I'm not a company man or anything,

but yeah,

Netflix is where you'll find it.

You're right.

You're right.

You're right.

Hey, if you really want to get technical,

this started out as YouTube.

YouTube, man.

Yeah.

I watched it there first.

Yeah, I did too.

Two seasons on YouTube.

It's gritty roots before it

had a lot of funding.

And it got a lot of funding.

Yeah.

All right.

Can y'all still see me?

I don't know.

I can never know if anybody

can still see me while I'm

behind the scenes trying to see you.

I can see you.

Because I'm trying to share stuff.

You just brought a nice dark

ambiance thing going on now.

Oh, that's cool.

Yeah.

I got to share stuff in the background,

so it's one of those.

It's multitasking that I'm

not very good at behind the scenes.

I'm just playing.

I'm pretty good at it.

But again,

we are talking about juvenile

delinquency and the two men

responsible for trying to

eliminate that in Southern California,

one by Johnny Lawrence and Ralph.

No, no.

What's his name?

John.

Is it?

What is his last?

Yeah, Johnny Lawrence.

Johnny Lawrence.

And then Danny LaRusso.

Danny LaRusso.

That's it.

That's the fellas.

And I got a... I'm almost there.

Who's really to blame for all of this?

He really is.

If he wouldn't have cheated

with that illegal swan kick,

we would not be in this situation.

If he would have just minded

his own business,

none of this would have happened.

We're going deep into the

origins of Karate Kid.

I used to play those movies.

I know they're recorded off the TV,

like VHS tapes for sure, for a long time.

All right, I'm back on.

Yeah,

it gets a little squirrely with me

sometimes when I'm behind

the scenes and it doesn't

like me to share stuff the proper way.

But yeah,

a little bat story for everybody

that we just went through

there with this little

history of where we're at

right now with Cobra Kai.

Which is cool,

because I'd rather it not be

split into three parts.

I'd rather they just gave it to us all.

You probably would have

binged it all by now,

and you'd just be sad that it's gone.

I would be.

Exactly.

But at the same time,

we'd be sitting here doing

a finale instead of a part

one of season six, which I'm cool with,

too.

I actually like it like this.

Because I can do a smaller

episode about it and then

throw in something else on top of it,

which is what we're doing

tonight with a whole other

different set of juvenile

delinquents later.

Much, much more delinquents, I believe.

Very much so.

So...

These five episodes,

these five episodes are

just jam-packed with delicious goodiness.

They were, dude.

It was, I mean,

we got the peacetime in the

valley for episode one.

We get some college in there

because they're all seniors

in high school now.

And then we get to the very

end where we're in, what was it?

Italy is where it's going to take place,

I think.

I forget where they actually

ended up putting it.

For Germany, something like that.

Yeah,

it's a good setup for the tournament.

Barcelona, okay.

Yeah.

So let's run it episode by episode here.

So let's hit up episode one,

peacetime in the valley.

where the Miyagi-Do students

struggle to put aside past

rivalries while training

for the Sekei Tekei World

Karate Tournament.

And of course,

Johnny and Chozen are

clashing over rebranding the dojo.

Kenny is becoming a little

juvenile delinquent,

just like his brother.

And then the return of Cobra Kai again,

this time in Korea.

I really enjoyed this episode.

It was a great way to

reintroduce everybody and

to get a vibe of where this

season was going to go.

It was mostly peaceful.

It didn't last for too long.

By the end of the episode,

not even the mid,

probably halfway through the episode,

we got the Battencage's brawl.

yeah and johnny and chosen

were uh trying to fight off

the bat too about the names

so yep you're gonna call

the dojo thing constant

argument and they're ready

to throw down just work out

some of their inner demons

that they've had going on

but it also build their

this this chosen finally

broke his father's board

that he never could in this

episode as well which I

thought was kind of like

One of those full circle

moment from the 80s to the 2024.

I know Gibbs had brought

that up when we were

discussing this earlier dates.

He was like, dude,

we got to talk about the board.

Girls will do that to you.

That was his final moment,

just talking about how he got rejected.

Yeah, that was.

Yeah, she didn't...

Yeah,

I kind of feel bad for Chosen because

it just hadn't stopped since the 80s.

No, it really hasn't.

First, Danny steals his girl,

and then he gets his girl back,

and then his girl's like, sorry, dude,

but I'm out of here.

I'm out of here.

Yeah.

I mean,

I never recommend getting broken

like pouring your heart out, but yeah.

He's a fighter, though.

He's a fighter.

He's not going to let it go that easy.

No, no.

He might be a little happy

in the old Miyagi-Do little

room and just renting out a

little space there from Danny.

He seems pretty content.

He needs some better Wi-Fi

connectivity there, though.

It's the simple things in life.

It's the simple things in life there.

So out of all of these

characters that we have

been introduced to

throughout this series...

which one to y'all has been

y'all's kind of like hands

down like the one person

you're really rooting for

in all of this I mean the

person to me that makes the

show and I think the reason

he was able to come back in

the first place was was

johnny lawrence just

because he's he's got the

nostalgic you know elements

he was bringing back an

original character and then

it's not very often that you,

and that's what I talked

about in the review.

Like,

I love the fact that the show even

exists because it took a villain,

you know, standard villain,

and then gave him like a

background origin story,

kind of what they've tried

to do with all the villains

from the show really is

give them a little bit more.

Humanized him.

Yeah.

Humanizing everybody.

So it was great to see like, you know,

Johnny coming around and it's,

and it's not that Johnny's

super successful now.

And like, he's a nice guy.

It was that he was really a

rock bottom and he's just

trying to work his way up.

And, uh, he's just always good for,

you know,

a little bit of edge to add to the show.

Um,

Got to drop an F-bomb here or there.

Got to say something

horribly inappropriate at the wrong time.

He's good for everybody to play off of.

He's probably got most of

the good one-liners and stuff like that,

too.

He's definitely got the best music.

Oh, yeah, obviously.

I don't know about vehicle.

His van is a little suspect.

Come on, man.

The Eagle Fang Karate van is

by far the best vehicle in this show.

can't wait to park that

thing outside and let

everybody know who the new

king of the neighborhood is

that's going to be in the

driveway every night johnny

johnny is the epitome of

the guy that peaked in high school

And everybody else went on

to do other stuff,

and he's just kind of that

guy that's still back home.

Yeah.

You know,

sometimes life has kicked him in the nuts,

but, you know.

We all know a Johnny.

We all know a Johnny.

I could go home right now,

and I'm going to talk to at

least two or three other Johnnies.

There we go.

They're not named Johnny,

but they are definitely Johnny Lawrence.

Actually, one of them may be.

I think his name actually is.

He goes by Johnny,

but that's beside the point.

He's trying to turn it around, though.

Yeah.

He'll tell you about it,

but he's still there.

All right.

I know for me,

like my one character that I

have rooted for for the

entire six seasons or since

they were introduced has

been Peyton Listis, Tori Nichols.

That, to me,

she's kind of like the

up-and-coming Johnny

Lawrence with a little bit more attitude.

And, by damn,

I want this girl to win so bad.

Like, I do.

I don't.

I don't.

Oof.

What?

What?

Ugh.

Bro.

Ugh.

Team Sam all the way.

Exactly.

Come on.

How?

I mean, that girl's been through it all.

Oh, my God.

She deserves just a little bit.

Just a little, man.

No,

what she deserves is to grow the fuck

up and settle up.

And they were trying to help her.

She can't get out of her own damn way.

Okay, now, you know what?

You're right about one thing.

She is the new age Johnny Lawrence.

And when this is all over,

she's going to be the one

that's tooling around

Reseda looking for shit to do.

Yep.

But, you know,

I want a little sunshine for her.

I mean,

because this girl had a rough half.

Rough first part of the season.

She did.

I cannot deny that.

She had some rough stuff going on, but,

you know,

One,

you saw that her and Sam were finally

getting to a place where they were okay.

And then the other stuff happened.

And, you know,

it's just like the shots hit.

Instead of leaning into

people that have shown you

that they're going to be there,

she kind of disappeared and

left old boy just trying to

figure out where the hell

is my girlfriend?

Yeah.

Little Johnny.

She had her things, and I understand that,

but then you come back and

you're even pissed at him?

Come on.

It's tough.

I agree, though,

that she's probably been

one of the more compelling

characters on the show,

and she's had to carry a

lot of the more dramatic moments.

That piece of it's kind of interesting.

Not that it's lighthearted

to see people beat the crap

out of each other,

but she's dealing with more

emotional trauma, I think, on the side.

Uh, so yeah,

her character has been through a lot,

but she is, gives this point,

making the wrong choice in

terms of going back to the, uh,

the old ways,

like at the first opportunity of,

you know, something, you know,

coming up and getting in her way again.

So you'd like to see her

make a smarter choice six episodes in of,

you know, this, well,

five episodes into this season,

but six seasons in.

But I think a lot of it is, you know,

all these characters tend

to go through that same

formula of like making the

same mistakes over and over again,

bringing up the same past issues, but.

Between her and Robbie, man,

which is funny because

Robbie is really little Johnny.

Like, literally, that's his kid.

Yeah, true.

Yeah.

He seems to be on the other

end of things now.

So if you're looking for

somebody that kind of took

the right path for the most part,

he's he's pretty level

headed at this point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's got to get a W, though.

Kid needs a needs a win in

this tournament.

He's he's on track to get his dub.

He's definitely on the track.

So as we move into episode two here,

and we see that Kreese is

getting ready to face a

dangerous test to prove his worthiness.

As Daniel offers Johnny a

helping hand while the

teens contemplate life

beyond high school.

And I know, Rob,

this is something you

wanted to talk about,

which is we finally see a

karate master finally

representative of every

Kung Fu movie we've ever seen.

The old white-haired master.

With the beard.

With the beard.

Master Kim.

Master Kim, man.

It was kind of cool.

How old is Master Kim now?

The dude's got to be about 125 at least.

At minimum.

Because, I mean,

he was old when we see him

in the flashbacks.

Yeah.

So, I mean,

this guy has been around

meditating in the hills of

Korea for quite some time now.

Yeah.

You can tell Kreese was a

little shocked to see him alive.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And in the back flashbacks,

he was beating the hell out

of the old girl.

Bro.

His own granddaughter.

Like,

he was tossing his granddaughter

little ass whippings that were, like,

adult size.

That was a tough little girl.

She had to earn it.

Got to be a little better

way about going about earning it, I hope.

The poor thing was hiding

behind a rock and he rolls up.

Swift kick right in the asshole.

Fits it every time.

She had to earn it.

And then once she earned it,

look at her now.

Look at her now.

Spreading Cobra Kai through

around the ages.

She seemed to be doing

pretty well before Kreese got there.

I don't know that he's

helping matters probably with that.

with the actual Cobra Kai

unit at this point.

No, and one of the things,

like the whole reason for

him going there is because

there's no way they were

going to let Cobra Kai that

they knew in the area of

California compete in the Seketake.

I think that's how I'm

probably butchering the shit out of that,

but we're rolling with Seketake.

Seketake.

I think I knew how to say it

before you started saying it.

Now I might have gotten it

wrong if I tried to say it.

I was more of a Sakai Taikai.

Yeah.

What they're saying.

Yeah.

He's got to leave the country anyway,

right?

He kind of had to go to

Korea if he wanted to do anything.

He can leave from Korea and

go to the tournament,

but he definitely wasn't

flying out of the U.S.

to go to the tournament.

Oh, hell no.

We're not going to try to

figure out how it is that

he got to Korea in the first place,

but...

Dude, he's a fugitive.

How he got on an airplane

with his passport is still

beyond... I don't think he

got on an airplane.

No way.

He had to have caught a

freight ship or something

to get off the coast

somewhere and bounce around a few times.

I don't know.

He found his ways.

He was former military, right?

Yeah, true.

He's got his ways.

He's got his ways.

You talked about the...

well the flashbacks but then

also like his his little

quest that he had to go on

with the cobra oh my god we

just started I think it

goes to until episode three

I think is that into three

okay yeah I think that's I

think it cut like he

finishes his quest in three

um interesting yeah I think

very interesting it we can

go ahead and let's hammer

out this quest that he went on his um

It's like Aaron Rodgers'

ayahuasca trip type thing

that he's got going on.

Yeah.

Dude, yes.

He's been by a snake and

then charged tripping.

I mean,

he could have been up in upstate

New York smoking peyote

with – what's his name?

From – what was his name?

Williams.

Ricky Williams.

Oh, my gosh.

He's like, oh,

I'm supposed to report the

football count?

Dude,

I've been up in upstate New York

smoking peyote and a teepee.

Like, okay, dude.

No, that whole thing was,

it was hilarious to me because, I mean,

some of the campiness from

the 80s certainly came out,

which I appreciate.

But, you know,

Kreese has always been such

a laughable villain.

Yes.

Go ahead.

If there's a villain you

ever just wanted to see fell,

that's the villain.

He's kind of like Skeletor.

You know what I'm saying?

He has all these dastardly plans,

but you know he's just

going to fall on his face

some way or the other.

Oh, yeah.

He was pretty formidable in

Karate Kid as just being

the straight up asshole.

He didn't really have any

dimensions to him,

whether he was just a jerk, so

I appreciate that they tried

to bring like something to his character,

show all of his backstory

with everything that they've done.

But then it's weird because

I feel like Cobra Kai kind

of like realized that they

ran out of villains and

they needed to cycle back

through some people.

So they're like, okay,

he's got to be a jerk again.

So we're going to have to bring it about.

We arrested Silver in season five.

So we can't circle back to that.

And Terry is building furniture.

Yeah,

but I do like his cameo in the first

part of this season, though.

And I think we get that in episode four.

Four, yeah.

Outside of to pick the team, yeah.

So here's a funny tidbit of

information for you.

Rob, you've been to Korea, right?

Yes.

There are no known venomous

snakes in the Republic of Korea.

Not one.

No.

So the fact that in this one

cave where this master,

what was his name?

Master Kim's lost his family knife,

that there is this one

albino magic cobra is like

a one in one million.

You might have been tripping

the whole thing.

I thought that, too.

I thought he was probably

poisoned before he went up

there and was tripping on something else.

It was a little gecko lizard

that he thought was a cobra.

Yeah,

but it was either that or selling him

insurance.

Either that or Mr. Kim put

the snake there himself.

something just a fucking

troll crease the whole

sequence was definitely the

one thing that was like why

I feel like we're taking a

little bit of time away

from the story at hand and

I feel like you could have

solved this in an easier

way but uh yeah you know he

needed a they somehow

wanted to come about him

confronting like Johnny

Lawrence and Johnny

Lawrence being his weakness

was like the idea that they

wanted to have and that he

and his mind needed to

defeat I guess Johnny

Lawrence this time uh to somehow like

overcome whatever's eating them up.

But yeah,

it was just a weird way of getting there.

We went a long way around to

get to a simple solution,

but you know what?

That was like every nothing,

everything about that said

1980s action movie.

Very, uh, Empire Strikes Back.

You know,

let's go very much yourself in

the cave kind of thing.

So exactly, exactly.

So take with you.

And that's, there he goes.

I will say this.

This one really gave us a

really good action sequence, though,

when the kids go to the

local junior college and

they meet up with –

Oh, the punk from the asshole,

the old boyfriend.

Yeah, exactly.

Yes.

I didn't write down his name

because he didn't.

That's him.

There you go.

I didn't write his name down

because he was only in the one episode.

And he got another 10

minutes of fame out of this,

which was really cool.

Because that was a great

fight sequence in the... In

the frat house.

At the frat house, yeah.

That was definitely one of

my favorite examples of

like the fights that

they've done where they can.

It was a cool setting.

Like you got the music going.

I like the way that it all got set up.

And then they're just.

And you had the pool table and.

And everybody's flying

around kind of fighting in their own way.

And it's the high school kids, of course,

that, you know, once again,

start the fight.

And it was of all people.

Miguel.

Miguel is like, you know what?

I don't like these guys being distant.

This dude.

And it's like, hey, dude, you know karate.

Let's go whoop these dudes' ass.

Like, Miguel, really?

What would your mommy say?

She'd say,

thank good on you for standing

up for somebody who...

clearly was being bullied

and defenseless it was

funny and it's like dude

you know karate what are

you doing just laying down

for these fellas yeah but I

get it you know he wants to

be a part of something he

wants to be a part of this

frat house and and then

they they I think the the

straw that broke the

camel's back is when they

were like yeah we're never

gonna let you in

Because he clearly heard them.

So all that it was was just

bullying and fucking with them.

And he was like, yeah,

they're not going to.

And then they were like, yeah, we're not.

Ha ha!

And that's when it all went down.

Ass whippings for everybody.

But he got invited to another fraternity.

A cooler one.

Apparently where all the

cool kids hang out.

I did love the beer bottle sequence.

I think they like

Knocked it out of one guy's hand,

caught it,

and then he hit him over the

head with it.

Yeah.

It's great how often, I mean,

this is just one example,

but how often these high school kids,

underage people can just

beat the ever-living crap

out of people and assault

with weapons and never do real jail time.

It's always just still slap

on the wrist and go.

Hey, your daddy's got money, man.

Your daddy's got money.

Half of these things are attempted murder.

The police department needs new cars.

Hey,

swing by LaRusso Auto Group and we got

you.

Just don't arrest my child.

Again.

The other takeaway from this

whole college frat sojourn journey?

Yes.

Was Hawk actually going, huh?

kind of like this environment.

Maybe I don't want to go to MIT.

Yep.

And maybe I want to just be a frat bro,

which he's totally turned into a frat.

I mean,

they probably don't have as many

opportunities for you to

chug beers and put them on your spikes,

you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It can be a little bit more busy studying.

So yeah,

he might just want a minute to

figure himself out before

he goes down that road.

So,

Yeah, I think that was big for him,

and that kind of sets the

whole dilemma up for him

for the rest of the season, too.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That was one of those good

secondary stories.

They kept going until the end of Episode 5,

really.

Yes.

It was the whole MIT, MIT thing,

and finally, you know, we'll get there.

But also in this episode,

Johnny starts working at

LaRusso Auto Group.

Working in quotations, yeah.

I don't know how LaRusso

expected this to go, but Johnny is Johnny,

and Johnny's never really

going to change.

No, but Johnny sells.

Somehow in like five minutes,

he sells a car.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And he wasn't even a salesman.

No,

he was supposed to be like washing the

cars or something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what killed me.

He wasn't even supposed to

be a salesman and he sells

a car within five minutes.

And then he's like, yeah,

where's my office going to be?

What's this?

I was hoping they would do

something when it was like,

I can't believe I got such a great deal.

Like he had sold the car for

like 10,000 under value or something.

Like just giving her some

crazy deal that wasn't real.

I have no idea how he negotiated that one.

Johnny being Johnny, he's, you know,

he was charismatic for a reason.

Yeah.

And Mr. Russo is in there, like,

because he had a briefcase.

I love the line where he was like,

what do you think's in the briefcase?

It's like...

What is he carrying around?

You know there was not a

damn thing in there.

Maybe some snacks and a

couple of short boys.

Yeah,

I think she said like a peanut butter

and jelly sandwich or

something like that.

Yeah.

Heck yeah.

My daughter's been in here

twice now to interrupt and I apologize.

No, she's actually packing.

She's...

We're doing the drop-off

Thursday for college.

Uh-oh.

Yeah.

I'm going to need a few days

after this to cry and pick

myself back up.

I'll remember Sam.

Exactly.

Speaking of Sam,

Sam and Tori lose their killer instinct,

so Johnny devises a plan to

get their killer instinct back.

Well,

it isn't so much the killer instinct.

They'll sound off against everybody,

but they didn't want to

hurt their budding friendship.

Yes.

And how can you blame them?

I mean, those two have been through, like,

a lot of shit.

And now they're, like,

finally starting to see eye

to eye on things.

Now that there isn't a boy, you know,

kind of distracting them both.

Even though one of them is

still with Robby.

and the other with Miguel.

Did they swap partners?

Yeah, maybe multiple times.

I can't remember, but at some point, yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

STDs, people.

It's just, you know,

good old teenage melodrama.

Everybody did it.

It's like Saved by the Bell

all over again.

Yeah, I was going to say The Heights.

I was going to say The Heights.

The Heights.

I was Saved by the Bell guy myself,

but yeah.

Zach Morris is an asshole.

Have y'all ever seen that Facebook group?

Oh, yes.

He's trash, yeah.

He is trash.

He is trash.

And then also in episode three,

a shocking discovery turns

Daniel's world upside down,

and we'll jump into that.

Oh, by the way,

we learn in this episode

the tournament is going to

be held in Barcelona, Spain.

I think that's where Barcelona is.

Yeah, Barcelona.

confirmed and we learned

that there can only be six

fighters per team that's a

problem yeah when you got

like bro 13 no they had

like 20 something kids at

this point they combined

all the dojos so they got a

ton of people there's a lot

of uh background actors

that you never get to know

anything about and then a

couple they popped up for five minutes

Let's be real.

There was only a handful

that was guaranteed.

Yes.

And we didn't know who they were.

You got Robbie Miguel, Sam Torrey.

So that left legitimately

two spots that were left

for everybody else to fight over.

Yeah.

Maybe four or five people

that could really contend

for those spots too.

So it was a little bit of drama in there.

I mean, so we knew Hawk, Dimitri, Kenny,

and little LaRusso were probably like,

okay, of those four,

it's going to be two of those.

I thought the old girl who

did get the spot.

Devin.

Devin Lee.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

I don't want to forget Devin

because Devin will come

around and snake you when

you don't expect it.

Oh, in the worst way.

In the worst way.

Terrible actions on her part.

Obviously,

she'll have to learn from her

mistakes like everybody else on the show.

Competition got the best of her.

It really did.

I think that's the next episode.

We'll talk about the brown belt.

the brown belt.

Oh, that's wrong.

It really is.

It's heartbreaking.

They find out that Miyagi

had another life.

Yes.

That's our big takeaway from this one.

Other than Sam and Tori

trying to get their killer

instincts back.

We learned that Miyagi, Mr. Miyagi, isn't

all he is cracked up to be

in the eyes of the St.

Daniel LaRusso.

Well, actually, I guess in this case,

it would be St.

Miyagi.

It was a weird plot point.

I understood how they wanted

to try to keep him relevant

to the story in some way,

but I don't know.

Maybe they'll get something

out of it and it'll kind of

evolve a little bit more in part two,

part three.

But as it is right now,

if that's like the whole

arc.

I don't know that I really

understand why they went that route.

It didn't really work.

There's something else that

they found in the box that

he didn't realize until

like the last episode or something.

But he realizes that I'm

going to jump forward just

a little bit just for this.

No, no, go for it.

As he found out that Miyagi

was not only had not only

fought in the Sekai Takai,

he was a captain in the Sekai Takai.

You know,

because he had the blood-stained

captain's bandana.

Yep.

And he also learned that he was a botzer.

He botzed.

Yeah.

I mean, we followed the clues here,

and we end up at this

shady-ass botzing gym,

which I don't know if any

of y'all have ever been to

a botzing gym before.

They all look that way.

Every single one of them.

Yeah,

I really don't see why that caused

him to have some heartache about Miyagi.

Yeah, Miyagi was multifaceted.

He was a fucking human at

the end of the day.

I get within Daniel's eyes

from when Daniel can

remember him that he was

this saint of a human who

taught him how to be an adult, basically.

Yeah.

I mean, it was, it was a way to go.

Uh,

and there'll probably be a lot more of

it.

Like you were talking about

that actually comes out

once they get to the

tournament and they can learn, like,

I guess his role there when he was there,

did he win the tournament?

Like what else kind of happened?

Maybe there'll be a board.

Yeah.

And if you were talking about, uh,

who was it?

Was it?

Okay.

Somebody was talking about people.

It was like,

they say people had died there

or just been injured.

Yeah.

So no, no, I mean,

it's supposed to be a hell

of a tournament.

So,

we're talking like not just

like their local you know

karate tournament down in

the valley we're talking

like the world here and

it's like the kumite for

teenagers they're like turn

it into blood sport or

something right now exactly

hey I mean once you start

talking about people dying

I mean I want to see

someone do the dim mock yeah

I mean, hey,

the boys that they're bringing

over from Cobra Kai are the real deal.

When they visited Japan in what,

was it part two?

Yeah.

He did a version of it with ice.

Well, he didn't select and say, no,

this brick.

But he could have just as well.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I think that I think all of

that is going to show that Miyagi,

you know,

that there was I think they were

just ultimately trying to say, you know,

hey, there's more to this guy.

He's not, you know, oh,

he isn't what you think, you know,

or you thought because

Miyagi didn't tell them everything.

no you know even even when

you look at his war record

and what happened to

miyagi's wife and all that

stuff yeah he didn't have

deep conversations with him

about it he found those

things and he helped him

but miyagi didn't go into

detail about it no he never

really went into it so but

I wonder how much of this backstory with

Mr. Miyagi right now we're

getting in this season is

going to play into the Ralph Macchio.

Karate Kid movie that is planned, I think,

for 2025.

So I'm wondering if they're

building something that can

they can play back into the

movie when it comes out

with because it's Ralph

Macchio and I think Jackie

Chan and there's like

another karate movie.

There's a new kid, I think.

Oh, they're going to bring Jason back.

They're going to bring Jaden back.

No, God, I hope not.

You're the best.

Really?

Yeah.

To be honest,

I wasn't even aware that they

were making a movie or going full time.

That would be a change for me.

They should bring back Hilary Swank.

Let's go with Hilary Swank.

oh the next karate kid man I

have been waiting this

whole time for her to make

a cameo I mean I have been

waiting this whole time

that would actually be

interesting if I don't hey

I don't know that we'll see

her but we'll see we still

got two more parts so who knows yeah

I mean,

they did bring back the love

interest from the first

movie last season.

Well,

that was to help Miguel with his

broken back.

Yeah,

I guess I could see Elizabeth Shue

coming back a lot more than

I could see Hilary Swank coming back.

Especially,

I don't know how well she received.

She wasn't her part of the credit kit.

Franchise so maybe she would

take a step back But this

is a way to kind of redeem

yourself She was received

about as well as Jaden was

Yeah And Jackie Chan

Replacing Mr. Miyagi I mean

if it's if somebody's gonna

Replace him then Jackie Chan

I would go Jackie Chan over anybody else.

I think they're brothers or

cousins or something.

To be honest, I didn't see that one.

I have not seen that.

I was waiting for the rush

hour joke in there.

Oh, they're brothers.

That's exactly where I was

going with that.

I was waiting for you to finish it.

I was like, wait,

are we just going to stop it right there?

Oh, yeah.

You're going to continue that one.

I got my lunch money from the third grade.

But that's,

I think it's all going to flow together.

And, you know,

maybe they'll do one more

Karate Kid movie stemming from this.

And then after that,

they might do another

depending on the reception of that one.

Yeah.

You know, but...

Yeah, untitled Karate Kid movie.

I had to IMDb it right now.

Ben, I just don't make up stuff, man.

No, I believed you.

I was just like, it's so random.

It really is.

So I could honestly see it

being Daniel LaRusso and his son.

I can't stand his son.

I can't either.

I think he's a whiny little bitch,

but at the same time,

I could see them doing that.

I like Jaden's Karate Kid

better than his son, Daniel's son.

If I had to choose between the two of them,

I'd rather Jaden comes back

than Daniel's son do anything.

Jaden's like 35 or something.

He's not 35.

He's in his early 20s.

Yeah, but still.

They're still searching for

who the next Karate Kid is.

There's actually a contest

to find the next Karate Kid.

It does have Joshua Jackson in it, though,

so we get Pacey Weathers

coming to join this cast.

Mr. Mighty Duck himself, too.

Nice.

If you're going to throw 90s

nostalgia in there,

if you're going to do any shit...

So, also,

before we jump into Episode 4 and 5 here,

we go back to Korea,

and Kreese has found his

new Johnny with Quan, and kind of, like,

turns him into his pet project.

Like, his new equalizer,

if you want to go that way.

So...

Kwan's a badass.

Kwan was a legit... He had zero fuss.

If there's a guy living the zero fuss life,

it was that guy.

You just look at him and

then see him do one or two

fights and understand that

if it really comes down to it,

nobody's beating him in a tournament.

It's going to be really

interesting to see how...

if they overcome him somehow

in the tournament,

he's going to be very

sketchy about everything he does.

Like for sure.

He'll have to get himself

disqualified or something.

Here's the line right here.

He's going to go through that line.

He kind of just tickle it a little bit.

It's, it's, it's crazy.

Yeah.

As soon as you showed up on screen,

you were like, okay, yeah, that's the new,

uh,

that's the new arc villain that you've

got to go with.

That's just going to go up against, uh,

you know, in the championship,

that's going to be them.

So, Oh yeah.

We'll have the,

We'll have to talk at the

end about who we think is

going to win the tournament.

Oh yeah.

We'll bring you back to like for part two,

when part two drops and we watch part two,

we'll bring you back for

that one as well.

Yeah.

I don't know what happened to Rob,

but he'll be back.

It drops out from time to time.

Stream yards, a finicky creature,

but let's jump into the

underdogs episode four,

where Daniel and Johnny are,

invite uh barns to come back

and be a guest instructor

to help them do an unbiased

selection to determine the

sits yeah it was I it was

cool because I do like what

they did just with part you

know one honestly when I

was watching it I didn't

even realize it was being

broken up into three

different parts at the time

until after the fact but I

loved how much they decided to bring back

of every character that

played any role throughout

the first like five seasons

and kind of give them their

little tidbit um you know

let them come in and make

an appearance and in a way

that makes sense it wasn't

just like forced or or

whatever so yeah if you're

if you're looking for

somebody I mean he was just

with you in the huge fight

at the end of the last

season so you know might as

well bring him back and let

him just kind of try to

I've always liked his character too.

Yeah,

he was a dick when he was like – I

think it was part three.

Yeah, or was it part – yeah, part – no,

two or three.

Okay, whichever one was not.

So part three.

It was three then.

Yeah.

But he was a dick, but he played –

you see this guy walking at

the mall or something.

You're like, God damn, that dude's a dick,

man.

Look at that guy.

That guy just looks like a dick.

You don't want to buy

furniture off of him.

He seemed to be doing pretty well.

He did seem like he was

doing pretty well for himself,

making handmade furniture.

He's happy now.

It's back to his roots.

Exactly.

Working with his hands, man.

Yeah.

And, um, but I, I think this,

he was a good, a good pick to come in and,

um,

pick the fits it was a good

sequence for sure I liked

it and uh I kind of like

the different trials that

you had to put them through

it made you know for

entertaining tv to kind of

watch them do the different

competitions um it did and

it was he even told him

like that that was not

necessarily those contests

but there would be

different stages to the seki take

Yeah.

All right, there he is.

He's back.

Yeah, it's all good.

I was telling him, like,

StreamYard's a finicky beast,

and it does weird things sometimes.

Unless you're hotel living

and your hotel Wi-Fi is sucking.

It is.

I am.

And I thought the door

behind you looked like a base hotel door.

You don't always have, like,

a fire escape route on your door?

Right there.

That's good.

You have any thoughts on Barnes?

We jumped over to episode

four and how Daniel and

Johnny invite Barnes back

to help them pick the sits

in an unbiased way.

I think the way that Barnes

did that was pretty much

emblematic of the bad boy of karate.

And then, you know,

he's been itching to get

back to some level of

control and badass them.

And that was just it.

That was perfect for him.

Yeah.

if we were just saying like the,

the guy who plays Barnes, man,

like if you see him at a

mall or something,

you're immediately like, God,

that dude looks like a dick, man.

Just like everything out of

just says the dude's a dick,

but he makes really great furniture.

Yeah.

So if I get, I'm, I'm controlled.

The fight that we did get

with Johnny and him while

he was at the wood shop

almost sawed their faces

off and then just kind of said,

it's cool.

It was the weirdest stop to

a fight I've ever seen.

It was either that or you

were going to be wearing a saw blade.

I kept waiting for somebody

to lose a hand and some shit.

Yeah, that was rough.

Which would be like the most

Johnny Lawrence thing to do.

Yeah.

yeah I got a hook he

probably felt like an eagle

hand or something I don't

know but that was that

fight scene was it was it

was hilarious and it it

amped up so much anxiety

over that saw blade and

then of course nothing

happened and they're both

kind of beat up about it

but yeah I can see them

bringing them back

Just for, you know,

just to do that because

none of the other ones, you know,

Daniel was right, you know.

Yep.

So Johnny was going to

choose more Eagle Fang

people and Joseph was going

to go this way.

He was going to go that way.

So, yeah.

There's no way to be unbiased.

Yeah.

And he was actually, you know,

towards the end of it,

when he finally picked,

you could see he was

actually a lot unbiased.

Then he was seeing more

things than what we were seeing on the.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah, it was great, man.

I don't know who

choreographed that fight

specifically between Johnny and Barnes,

but it was shot so perfect.

And then with the sawdust and everything.

I'm surprised nobody went

all Hank Hill with the pocket dust.

They were trying to figure

out who was the legitimate bad boy.

I still want to know who won

the fight between Johnny and Chosen.

True.

They should have had them

come in the next episode in bandages.

Hell yeah.

I'm assuming they kept it civil.

I'm sure.

I'm sure.

And I think after Johnny's

seen Chosen break that board,

he wasn't really... No, actually,

I'll take that back.

Johnny did want the smoke.

Who am I kidding?

Oh, yeah.

Johnny always wanted the smoke.

So we get the first round of voting,

and we get two down to the final,

like the 12.

We get Hawk, Robbie, Miguel, Sam, Tori,

Mitch, Kenny, Nate, Chris, Dimitri...

Devin and Anthony are chosen

for the second round after

the... I guess we can call

it capture the flag.

Yeah.

Like full contact.

Do it again in the woods.

Full contact capture the flag.

Yeah.

With karate.

So we get that.

Dude, personally, like seeing that...

Because this is the one where Tony,

Anthony, got busted in the mouth by,

I think, Kenny.

I think Kenny's the one that

busted him in the mouth.

Or his nose, yeah.

I was like, oh,

that whiny little bitch deserved it.

You were Barnes at that moment.

Barnes was like, good job, Kenny.

Good job, Kenny.

The killer instinct.

That's what it's going to take, man,

if you want to compete at this place.

Actually, no,

because I think it was the top 12.

That's when we did the

Capture the Flag tournament.

Yeah,

because then it was like a four-way

tie between Torrey, Robbie, Sam,

and Miguel because those

were the first four that advanced.

Yep.

And then the next day, Hawk, Dimitri,

Devin,

and Kenny compete for the last two

positions.

And it gets very interesting in that –

full contact,

race through the woods to

capture the flag.

Yeah.

The one Kenny had to retreat from.

Kenny did retreat.

Kenny didn't make it.

Yeah.

He made it about, I guess,

about 50 yards into the

woods before he got the

rumbles in the jungle.

Super cool and blow.

and had to turn around,

and he still didn't make it in time.

Stupid kid that was still

taking his time in the... I know!

Yeah.

Like, what are you doing in there?

It's like 90 fucking degrees.

Get in and get out.

Not even in the competition, man.

Exactly.

Your character doesn't even have a name.

Now you're toilet boy.

Oh, but anyways,

Devin gets the first flag.

Kenny earns his brown belt.

Dimitri superkits the shit

out of Hawk after he tells

him he doesn't want to go to MIT.

And then Kenny accuses Anthony,

little LaRusso, of spiking his water.

Yeah.

But then we learned that Devin,

the quite demure,

I've been seeing that word

go around a lot, demure Asian girl.

Well, Devin has been – you remember,

Devin was full-on Cobra Kai as well.

In Eagle Fang.

In Eagle Fang.

So she was – this isn't so

much out of character for her, just,

you know, she's like,

I can't compete without, you know,

having that edge.

And so she – She did what she had to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, you know, Obama kept saying –

Correct.

And the bad part about all

this is Johnny knew.

He sees at the end that

she's the one that spiked the water.

Did he?

Yeah.

I don't think I noticed that.

She kind of tried to hide it

and threw it away.

Yeah, I got to see that.

I got to see that again.

He kind of knew that she did something.

Remember, he's rooting for Devin.

He's Devin's number one fan.

Yeah, I mean,

she felt like she had to do

it or she wasn't going to

get like we're talking

about the fair shake to even, you know,

get seen to get in it.

Yeah.

So she was trying to do

whatever she could to

secure her spot and represent.

But, yeah,

definitely a really shitty way

to go about it,

pun intended in that regard.

But, yeah,

I don't know if Johnny saw it or not.

We'll have to go back and rewatch that.

I would like to think that

his character developed

enough to where he would be like, okay,

we have to tell the truth.

We've got to come clean on this.

Yeah.

We've got to say something about this.

Johnny will be Johnny until the very end.

You think he'd high-five her for that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Without a doubt.

So let's roll in.

Let's do episode five.

Because I mean really.

That's all they gave us.

Is five episodes.

But I know the director said.

Going into this.

Their plan was to do.

A 15 episode season.

Split into three parts.

And that's what they gave us.

And that's cool.

I'm not mad.

I'm actually quite.

happy with the way they're

doing it because it does

give me something to look

forward to in the fall-winter time frame,

even though there's a lot

of great shit coming out on TV here soon.

So much good stuff.

Oh, dude.

My question would be,

obviously part two is going

to be probably the tournament,

I would imagine, maybe the whole time.

They could literally take

all five episodes and just

do rounds of the tournament,

and I hope that's what they

do because I just want nonstop action.

It's just interesting that

they have another five

episodes on the other side of that.

Do you need five episodes to

wrap things up?

I think we're going to get the blowout.

We'll get a blowout and then

I think we'll get the lead

into what is about to come

from the movie.

That's just me speculating.

I'm a speculator and a shit talker,

but that's neither here nor there.

So we get Miyagi-Do now with

the hard choice of how do

we pick our captains out of

these six fine juvenile

delinquents that we have on our hands.

And their best thing is, fuck it,

let them fight.

Let them throw hands.

We take the top four and we

let them throw hands.

And that's what we get.

Miguel versus Robbie and Tori versus Sam,

which is kind of like right

back to where we started.

But then Tori was going

through all this shit with her mom.

Nobody knew.

Sam's mom did pass away,

for those who didn't know.

I like to think people had

plenty of time to watch this.

So if you're hearing it for the first time,

my bad.

Tori's mom died.

Tragically, I add.

yes yeah yeah that her what

happened to her mom and how

she had to deal with it

there that's no laughing

matter that was that was

traumatic and I and I feel

bad for her in that

instance yeah I mean it's

interesting like the kind

of the contrast of you know as soon as

larusso finds out about it

he's trying to stop the

fight because he's like

she's not emotionally

exactly and johnny's on the

opposite and he's like no

no you gotta let her work

through this yeah let her

work doing for so yeah they

kind of come I mean you

know neither one of them

were wrong in this

situation it's like but at

the same time you have to

look at what's best for

tori and what was really

best for tori is knocking

it the fuck off just like

At least that's what they decided was like,

no, this has to stop.

She needs to talk to people

and she needs to get the

help that she needs.

I think Johnny was right in this instance.

I think letting her out there because she,

you know, was she going?

Yeah,

but she was working through that shit

during the fight.

That's what she needed.

She needed to get out to get some action.

She didn't need to be babied, toddled.

And when they didn't let her,

that to her and Devin,

proved they were going to do, you know,

in their eyes,

they were going to do

whatever they need to do to

let Sam win it.

Yeah.

And prompted her decision to leave.

And you could almost say too,

LaRusso might've even been

a little bit concerned that

she was not the right

headspace and might hurt his daughter.

I guess.

Yeah, she did.

Yeah.

She would, she would have definitely.

I get why he would want to stop it too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause I mean, at this point they're like,

she had put Sam in the

hospital twice now or some

shit like that.

Yeah.

I mean, they were like showing flashes.

Like she's like kind of not

seeing what's right in front of her.

She's like fighting, you know,

obviously everything that's wrong.

She's fighting for her life, dude.

She, she really was.

You don't want to be the

opponent in that situation.

And this is after Robbie had

just like beat Miguel for the first time.

I add.

It's good for Robbie.

He needed to win.

Robbie needed a dub, and he got his dub.

You know what I'm saying?

Little Johnny Lawrence got a dub.

Yeah,

it's just going to be interesting to

see now that we know who's

going to the tournament,

how they're going to have it all play out,

and who's going to be coming out on top.

Who replaced Tory?

I can't remember.

Hawk.

Hawk, that's right.

Which they needed to somehow

because he was obviously

one of their better fighters,

and they were already kind of like,

We don't even have our best

fighters going to this

thing because Hawk got eliminated.

So how do we get him back in this?

Yeah.

And the guy that actually

beat Hawk had no business being there.

Right.

You know what?

Me and my son, Gerard G2,

we actually had a discussion about that.

Really?

Yes.

Enlighten us.

He was like,

I think he called Dimitri

everything but a child of God.

He was like that, you know,

that emotional little punk.

He's, you know, he's let his feelings, oh,

my friend didn't want to go there.

And he goes,

I don't see why he didn't just

grow the fuck up and, you know,

be happy for the Hulk.

I'd say, first of all,

the way the Hulk handled

that was pretty bad.

That's been their dream since they were,

you know,

Kid kids, you know, running around,

going to MIT,

and Hawk should have let

them know way before then

and how it came up.

I said, so it's more of a,

I thought we were friends, you know,

type deal.

And I already set my stuff

off thinking my road dog was coming.

And this is how I had to find out.

And he goes,

but he should have never beat Hawk.

I said, Hawk let his guard down.

And Dimitri fucking flashed in.

Yeah,

he took the cheap shot and Hawk was

sitting there going,

I said half of that was

Hawk being surprised he got kicked.

I said the other half of

that was Hawk going, shit,

did I really fuck up?

And that gave Dimitri the

chance to run away with the

flag and come down with it.

He asked Hawk when it was

that he knew he fucked up

when he was staring back up at Dimitri.

Yeah.

None of these kids handle

their issues or do the mature thing.

They're kids.

They're kids.

So I give them a little bit

of grace and all this stuff.

This shit's a prequel to Prozac Nation.

But to say that, you know,

for my son and other people

to say that Dimitri didn't

deserve to be there.

Dimitri has caused,

not just from that one.

If you look at the evolution

of both Hawk and Dimitri,

they are two sides of the same coin.

Dimitri, all offense.

I mean, Hawk, all offense.

Dimitri, more defense.

But Dimitri has won some great fights.

He really has.

That fight at the college

showed where he was

fighting against two

different opponents at once

and working them.

I wouldn't say that he

didn't deserve to be there.

I think Hawk is the better fighter.

Dimitri is a smarter of the

two when it comes to it.

He's not going to let

himself get into a situation where

he could come out on a losing end.

You know what I'm saying?

Well, also his girl did, did say, you know,

I don't like this guy.

I don't like a guy who's like, well,

she said, I want the guy who was like,

and so he was like, yep,

that's going to be me.

And that was him.

Yeah.

That was all the motivation

that he needed for sure.

It's probably ultimately

going to get him kicked in the face.

I think it will.

Yeah.

I think we're going to

see... Y'all remember the old movie,

The Best of the Best?

Yes.

I think that that's exactly

what we're going to see,

and we're going to see what

Dimitri's sitting there going,

what are you counting them for?

Of course I lost, and this guy won.

The Best of the Best was one

of those where...

When they came out with part two,

and then part two was

surprisingly better than part one.

No, it wasn't.

I thought it was.

Oh, no, don't you do that.

I'm going to have to rewatch it,

but I could have swore that

was one of those where the

second one was better.

Oh, no, don't you do that.

Scout Sonner,

I'll go back and rewatch them

just to be sure on that one.

Oh, my God.

But, hey, neither here nor there for now.

But I will go back and rewatch.

You're right.

Also, when Tori leaves,

Johnny and Daniel agree to

never speak with each other

again after the tournament.

After the tournament, yep.

So, I mean,

definitely two different

thinkings on that.

And them finally going, you know what?

It's time for us to fucking, like,

We done after this.

I really can't see these two

completely being done with each other.

Ever.

They probably already said

that like how many times during the show.

Oh, at least once a season.

Once a season at least.

I think Daniel's wife is

going to clip that in the bud.

She's going to be like, look.

Everything that he's doing for us,

he's selling cards, he's doing this.

It's clearly good for him.

I'm not sure that that's the

selling point for him.

I'm sure she doesn't want

him working there.

All their kids are friends

at this point too.

She is definitely the most

reasonable of everyone.

She really is.

I think she's been the

ground for both of them.

And Miguel's mom,

I can't remember her name,

but she like those two ladies,

God bless them, man.

They're fucking saints in my eyes.

Cause those two living

outside of the crazy karate,

like everybody's fighting on the streets.

I was, yeah.

I think I wanted to make the

joke in the review and I forgot,

but it's like, uh,

I feel like all of this show

is like a setup to be like

the warriors because it's

just all these like little

feuding karate games.

They're like fighters.

Yes.

I like it.

I like it.

At some point,

like the cops are just gonna be like,

what the hell, man?

And just start trying to

arrest everybody that does

any form of karate.

I'm like,

we got two karate instructors

trying to turn these

juvenile delinquents into something, man.

Yeah.

But, um,

So, you know,

we get past that and Sam and

Robbie receive their captain headbands.

And then that's when LaRusso

kind of puts the two and

two together and realize

that Mr. Miyagi was also a

captain and fought in the

Seketeke or Saki Taki.

Saki Taki, I think.

We'll think Taki works.

Dude,

I'm never going to say that word right.

I've tried.

But it's also, you know,

Finding Mr. Miyagi's bloody

is kind of what led him down this long,

weird path of questioning

his beliefs again.

Well,

it also lets him know how real this

thing is.

Yes.

You know, his headband,

his captain's band is bloody.

You know, it brings home Barnes's point of,

like,

people have died in this tournament.

Yep.

I like how excited he was, like,

trying to get, like,

his son and daughter to be

in this tournament, too.

Like,

you really want your little son to be

– he's not going to last in this thing.

Like, what are you trying to do?

Yeah, this dude's done.

He would have been done.

Round one, done.

I feel like it was only his

daughter that got in, but, yeah, I mean,

he's probably thinking, like,

what am I doing?

Sam can hold her own.

I mean,

she's proved that time and time

again because she's taken

some ass whooping some worm.

I think Sam's going to lose

it against the Koreans.

Dude,

Tori is going to tear her a new asshole.

And we haven't seen all the

different teams.

I'm hoping we're going to

get another team that's going to be like,

holy shit,

where did these kids come from?

I know they were teasing that,

that it's not going to be either.

It could be neither one of

these teams that win.

Not Cobra Kai.

Not Miyagi-Do.

It could be a completely

separate team that comes in

and just whoops all their asses.

The directors have been... Oh yeah, dude.

My money's all on Kwon.

That kid's a beast.

Kwon is a beast.

Zero conscience and zero thoughts.

I don't know what his parents did to him,

but god damn.

That kid was ruthless.

He whooped two dudes' asses

and didn't even hesitate.

At the same time.

Then they tried to instigate him and

of course that's what crease

does man he smokes his

cigar and instigate shit

between teenagers yeah oh

you know what I i am

forgetting one other little

uh easter egg that they

they slipped in during this

first part which one when

someone was talking and

they they brought up um

To Johnny.

They brought up Johnny's old teammate.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

When they were trying to do

the real estate thing, and he was like,

I saw your friend or whatever.

I was like, yeah, he's in jail.

He's in jail, yeah.

Yeah, he's in prison.

He's in jail.

He ain't coming back.

I was like, yeah, Dutch.

Dutch was so bad.

Yeah.

that was an awesome,

like little 10 minute spill.

I forgot what episode it was with, uh,

Chosen and Johnny,

like shopping for houses, man.

Like of all, like all this seriousness,

we had that 10 minutes of

just Johnny and Chosen,

like a gay couple shopping for a house.

And then they're probably, there's like,

I mean, uh, I mean,

anybody can afford this

house with a good credit score.

Like you have a good credit score.

It's like,

Can't imagine that it is

money to put down.

Like, no, I don't have an income really.

Then yeah, that's what sparked it.

But just imagine that killer

van right there.

It was like, so you're living alone.

It was like, no, I got like 10 people.

That was the funny part.

That was real funny.

Cause those are sitting over

there trying to do what's right.

And Johnny's just like, no digging a hole.

So I'm going to stop you right there.

I'm going to take it.

I was like, no, that's not how this works.

But when he mentioned Dutch,

when he mentioned Dutch, I was like,

all right.

And the fact that, you know, Dutch is,

you know, he left,

the guy who plays Dutch is

Steve McQueen's son.

And he left the acting world

to become a race car driver

and has said multiple times,

I'll never go back.

Yep.

I forget what season it was

where they brought back all

of Johnny's friends.

Yeah.

That was a really good one.

Was that three?

Maybe it was.

I think that was season three.

Yeah,

because there's a lot of people that

showed up in season three.

Literally almost everybody

that ever had a line in the

movies at some point.

Even in season three,

toward the end of season

three is when I think

Silver made his return back as well.

It might have been.

Yeah, in the season three.

Yeah.

They did the dun-dun-dun-dun.

Yep.

You get that crazy entry

that Silver always gets.

Like, the dude can make an entrance.

I'm not going to take that away from him.

Oh, yeah.

But speaking of making an entrance,

the kids arrive in Barcelona, Spain,

and they're all lining up

around the tournament mat.

And lo and behold,

the South Korean Cobra Kai team shows up,

led by none other than Quan and Tori.

Dun, dun, dun.

Like, the fucking drama between these kids,

man.

I swear.

Get your feelings hurt and

you run back to the bad guys once again.

He'll be back.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it's weird that that's what they set up.

I would have thought that

she would have worked

things out rather than run back to Kreese,

who's obviously left her

high and dry before and is

not going to have like her.

You have to keep in mind

that Kreese at one point

was paying for her mom's medical bills.

So, I mean…

I mean,

they showed like a softer side of Kreese,

you know, throughout the seasons.

And like, he has, you know, a heart and,

you know, all this backstory.

You know,

Tori is kind of like his new Johnny.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

But then is he going to have

to fight another snake to

figure out that she used his weakness?

I don't know.

In a country that has no venomous snakes.

Yeah.

Go to like Rhode Island or whatever it is.

A state in the United States

without snakes.

We'll see.

We'll see where they take it.

But yeah, the tournament, I,

I do hope that the whole

part two is like just taking place there.

I just want it to be like a

giant blood sport.

Like that,

that is all I'm hoping for at

this point is that the five

episodes in part two is

like the tournament and

then they'll maybe licking

their wounds on a plane on

the way back to California.

Yeah.

I mean,

they'll have like time in between

like rounds or whatever, like, you know,

the day ends or something

and then they go back to their,

village or whatever they're

kind of staying at there uh

and you know kind of talk

things out and you know

speak about what's going on

and I'm sure there'll be

time for more teenage drama

and whatnot in between but

oh there's gonna be a lot

tournament's gonna take a

while so I know the

directors and producers and

everybody are they're

really kind of hyping this

thing up and how they're

doing it and everything so

I'm not mad I I've actually enjoyed it

I thought it was something different.

And now I'm seeing other

shows from Netflix are

jumping on this same kind

of bandwagon of like,

we're going to give you 15 episodes,

but we're going to split it.

You know what I'm saying?

That's kind of, I think,

I think it's the best way

to do it because a lot of times, you know,

for example, the boys, I, uh,

they kind of drag it.

So they give you like a

couple episodes at a time

without releasing everything.

Right.

They don't give you everything up front.

So you have to give me a,

like two episodes up front.

You got to come back.

so sometimes if I'm in like

a binge mood I'll get

through like all of the

show like you could have

binged all of cobra kai

like in a day you know or

something uh if you're

having to tune back in like

weekly other stuff gets in

the way you get distracted

by like another show in

between and so sometimes

you don't have the same

attention span or like

focus and you forget what's

going on that happens to me

all the time with some

shows uh so it is nice to

kind of get it all in like

five bingeable ups and then

I'm struggling through it

right now like I want to

start house of the dragon but in my head

I can't do that until I

finish Game of Thrones.

However,

season six through eight are so horrible,

it's hard for me to press through.

So what I've been having to

do is watch an episode or

two episodes at a time, and then I'm like,

all right,

I can't do no more of this

horrible season.

Let me go watch The Arrow.

So I've been watching The Arrow in between,

which, of course,

there's parts of The Arrow

where you're just like,

ah get the story going we

know where it's going I've

read the comic book you're

killing me smalls well I

mean there's some shows

where you have uh years in

between seasons like

literally two three years

before they come back in

the next one are they

cancel it and then bring it

back yeah yeah for sure but

yeah so I mean at least it

builds like excitement for

like part two to come and

then you'll have you know

you'll wait like through the

christmas and everything

you're gonna come back into

it I guess the next year in

2025 well I think we get

the second part like just

before the holiday break I

think it's november or

something yeah november and

then 2025 we have the next

part so yep it's really

like early 2025 like

january or february I think

yeah I think that's right

Hey,

you brought news to me today because I

didn't know that they were

spinning this into a movie.

Yeah, so I forgot it at what part.

It was just before they

released around the same

time they released the

first part of this.

They were like rumors starting to pop up.

And then finally, fuck,

I want to say his name,

but I don't want to say his wrong name.

Ralph Macchio.

Was like, oh, by the way,

me and the directors are

working on a movie script.

And I'm like, cool.

Another, you know, Karate Kid movie.

I'm like,

but if you're going to do that this time,

I need you to at least say

Stay Golden Ponyboy in this movie.

Just bring up any line that

he has from any movie he's been in.

No, just that one.

Just that one.

Just that one.

I mean, it is funny that that's happening,

though, because if you remember, like,

the beginning of the season,

he already is telling his wife, like, hey,

once this tournament's done, like,

that's it for, like, full-time karate.

He wants to just, like, say, okay, Johnny,

here, issuers,

you teach the Miyagi-Do Eagle Feng Wei.

Well,

that's going to be tough now that

they're not talking.

Yeah,

I got a feeling something's going to

happen, and it's just,

they're not going to get off that easily.

No, not at all.

The ladies are going to come

back and be like, look, boys.

Yeah, I got to figure this shit out.

But Ben,

I don't want to keep you any

longer than I need to.

I'm waiting on Rob.

So I'm kind of buying for

time for Rob to get back.

So we can jump into the next

part of our juvenile

delinquent series and what

happens when...

juvenile delinquents grow up

to be superheroes and man children.

But while we're waiting for him,

why don't you tell

everybody where they can

find you and what exactly

it is you do over at the, uh, pop rate.

Yeah.

So, um, you can find me on social media,

just, uh, Instagram and, um,

exits at BD Merkison.

Uh, so BD Merkison.

Um, and you can also follow my, my dog,

which is Star Wars theme name.

It's a TK four, two wolf.

So, uh,

you should follow his account on

Instagram.

I'm going to follow him much

more adorable than I am.

Um, and yeah, so pop break, uh,

it's been great.

Like that whole family bill brought me in,

you know, several years ago and I've been,

um,

doing as much writing for them as I can,

uh,

trying to pop out some reviews like I

did for Cobra guy,

which is really found me for this one.

Uh,

and then they had me on socially

distanced, uh, occasionally as well too.

So I love coming on there

and doing some pods, but, uh,

Yeah,

you can find me there trying to write.

I'm actually going to start reviewing.

Oh, look, we're getting gives back.

But Bad Monkey is on Apple

right now with Vince Vaughn.

So I'm too obsessed with that.

That's going to be my next review.

I've heard great things about it so far.

Yeah, it's entertaining.

I'm into it.

I'm going to have to check that one out.

I'll have to finish the

voice so I can participate

in your future discussions.

Yeah,

we'll bring you back when we do

season five.

There you go.

We're definitely going to

bring you back when we

discuss part two of Cobra

Kai because we loved having you, Ben.

We appreciate you coming on.

I apologize for my internet.

My internet's going in and out.

Hey, you're good, man.

We're about to talk to

himself if you drop after I'm gone.

So we can stick around.

Yeah, I was like, I was like,

I'm not going to lie to you, Ben.

I'm kind of just like

carrying on until I can get

Gibbs back in so we can

roll into the second half of this.

So now that Gibbs is back

and I can jump into our

second half of our

discussion of juvenile delinquents.

Ben, appreciate you coming on, man.

Like I said,

we'll have you back on for

part two and look forward

to see what else you do

with the pot brick, man.

Sounds good.

Thank you guys.

Enjoyed it.

Appreciate you, Ben.

Have a good one.

Take it easy.

Take it easy.

All right, everybody.

That was Ben that I borrowed

from the pot break tonight

to talk about Cobra Kai and

juvenile delinquents.

All right, Gibbs.

Now let's get fucking as

violent as we humanly can.

And that's what season four

of the boys brought.

they brought a lot of

violence the most over the

top violent season to date

and god damn was it great

oh my god at a certain

point I'm like oh jesus can

it get worse yes it can and

it did what the fuck

All right, so I'm a comic book guy.

I know you're a comic book guy as well.

So let's start it with this.

So The Boys is based off a

comic book written by none

other than Garth Ennis.

And if the name sounds familiar,

it should because he did Preacher.

Yep.

Hellblazer.

He had to run a Hellblazer, a.k.a.

John Constantine.

That's why you can't just go

into a comic book store and go, hey,

I'm looking for John Constantine.

You're not going to find it that way.

You got to find it for Hellblazer.

Yeah.

Punisher.

His Punisher run.

Fucking amazing.

But those are my three favorites from him.

And then we also had... He

created it with Derek Robertson.

And it was developed for TV by Eric Kripke,

which...

hopefully everybody knows

who Eric Kripke is at this point.

The dude literally did

supernatural Gen V and the Winchesters.

Yeah.

So we're talking like Garth

Dennis to me is like, Oh my,

my legends board.

His face is right there.

I got you.

I got you.

But

Now that that's out of the way,

we explained what it is,

I'm going to ask you a question.

Go right ahead.

Do you think the creative

liberties taken by Eric

Kripke with some of the

characters from the comic

book affected the overall...

series, i.e.

gender swapping certain

characters and that kind of stuff?

Yes.

Let's be 100% real here.

A lot of the stuff and the

liberties and the changes that they made,

they were done because I'm

not sure whether or not

people would have like casuals.

Okay.

Like, you know,

those who read the comics

and love the comics,

it was like into the comic.

First off,

I'm going to say this as respectfully,

disrespectfully as I can.

Y'all some sick bastards.

Cause that comic book was,

It is, bro.

It is.

But I don't think that the

casuals would have gotten

into a lot of different

things that was in the original.

Yeah.

You know, in the comics, because...

you know, with Starlight first joining,

you know, they all did, did or dirty,

not just the deep, but they needed to,

you know,

to keep some of them a little

bit above the board, you know,

but so they've made some

changes and I think that

it's affected it so that it

was more palpable, palpable, palatable.

Yeah.

Palatable, yes.

Yeah.

Close enough.

We're in the ballpark.

For mass consumption.

Yes.

Because in the comics,

how they did Starlight,

there was no redeeming

factors for any of them.

None.

Any of them.

Not even Queen,

because Queen Maeve was

right there when it happened.

She did nothing to stop it.

So you have those things that was like,

what the fuck?

And you have to go, what the fuck?

Even still, we're getting that.

Most definitely, it's changed some stuff.

It's made it easier to watch,

which is saying a lot

because I know a lot of

people who watched the

first season was like, nah,

I can't do it.

I always tell people,

if you think what you see

in the TV show is bad,

don't go read the comic.

The TV shows at a level 8.

The comic book, they got it cranked.

Compared to the comic book,

the TV series is a level 5.

five, maybe six.

I'm being generous with my

eight on that one because

the TV series is still on a

whole nother level that

you're not used to.

It is.

It is.

And we,

we've seen some stuff on there that,

you know, especially with this season,

a lot of the stuff that's

going on has left the comic book realm,

you know, but, um, it definitely,

this was a good season.

Um,

It's bringing together a lot

of... They're starting to

close off storylines.

Yes.

We know it's coming.

We know season five's it.

We're done.

I'm hoping they end it the

same way the comic book

does because I think that's

the best ending possible.

I don't know if we'll get that,

but let's go with this.

We have

Of the characters in the show,

just the show,

what has been your favorite so far?

Jesus, you're trying to put me in.

For this season or the show?

No,

we're only going to focus on season four.

What's her name?

Sister... Oh, shit.

Sister Sage.

Sister Sage, yes.

Susan Hayward, who plays Sister Sage.

Yep.

She would have to be my

hands-down favorite for this season.

Okay.

For this season, for me,

I'm going to go Laz

Alonzo's Mother's Milk.

And it's an odd choice,

but I kind of feel like

this season gave him his

flowers the way they should

have been all along.

No.

Because if they given one,

two things preclude me from

having Mother's Milk be the

top dude for this season.

One is...

He's, by this time in the comic book,

he's fought and beat the

shit out of Billy Butcher.

Multiple times.

Multiple times.

And there's a reason why that is, because,

you know, in this, we don't really,

you know,

people don't really understand

why he's called Mother's Milk.

No, it's flipped in the TV series,

because in the comic book,

it was his mother...

who was infected with compound V,

and when he was born, it caused him to,

he needed his mother's milk

to actually survive, even as an adult.

he he was sucking on them

alien tentacle porn teats

as as they were you know

not just to survive but

that's how he got his

superpowers that's why he

was able to hit hang with

soups and this he's a

regular guy and that he was

you know in the comics he you know he was

a soup himself,

but that's how Butcher

finally got up on him.

He went down into Mother

Milk's basement and there

was this bloated mom with

the teats going everywhere.

And he was like, shoot,

that's why it was called Mother's Milk.

The second part is, dude,

I don't care how cool you are.

I don't care how

how badass you were this

season or the last season,

how you stepped up finally

to be the team leader.

When you get knocked out by a dude's dick,

slapping you up against the head,

and this ain't the first

time it's happened.

It's a recurring theme with him.

In the TV show.

In the TV show.

In the TV show.

It's a recurring theme that

he gets smacked up by this

dude's dick almost every season.

Yeah,

that takes you out of the contention

and the running.

Okay, now I will buy into that.

But so funny story.

I actually have a note in

here about his name is Love Sausage,

by the way.

Love Sausage.

In the TV show,

he only makes special

appearances such as

herogasm and that kind of stuff.

But in the comic book,

he's actually an ally of the boys.

Yes.

And yeah, he can literally,

just like I think it was 2 Chainz said,

throw it over his shoulder.

Not just throw it over his shoulder.

He can dodge traffic from, you know,

the 12th floor of a apartment building.

All right.

That's enough of love sausage until later.

Stand by for more.

So mother's milk, um, really Kimiko and,

um,

frenchie gets his

comeuppance but he also

gets his ass whipping that

he's well deserved for

quite a while but those to

me are kind of like my my

three people who kind of

like their characters are

finally submitting into the

tv series even though they

had been submitted long

before in the comic book I

i would go sister sage uh simply because

And some people have a

heartache about her saying, well,

this is how I knew it was going to end.

And it had to end.

You're welcome.

And I was sitting up here going, yo,

this chick is so smart.

She predicted.

She knew how this shit was

going to fall to this

extent that he was going to

do what he absolutely did.

And she predicted.

And this is where she wanted him to be.

And then she said, he goes,

why are you doing this?

To see if I can.

Yeah.

To see if I could.

They literally,

they asked her why she

hadn't cured cancer.

And her answer, because they won't let me.

Yep.

Yep.

Because it's all a political game.

She is everything that her

character is supposed to be.

And just...

like like um a train said oh

she was with me and uh

teenage she was she's an

yeah she's just blunt and

like she told uh homelander

your ego is not going to

allow you to take what I

say how I say it she said

because I'm not going to

beat around the bush and

he's like yeah yeah well he

saw them all coming from a mile away

And she played them all.

Yep, everybody.

So to me, to me, eh, it's off.

And then, Kimiko next.

Okay.

Because, I'm sorry, Kimiko is just,

you know.

Kimiko is Kimiko, man.

Yes, she is.

Yes, she is.

And then last but not least,

I would say Frenchie.

Dude,

Frenchie's character in this season...

surpass what I expected them

to actually do and when

they when you start seeing

a little bit more of the

comic book frenchie coming

into it I was like oh dude

it's about damn time

because frenchie is like a

deep ass dude in the comic

book yeah not the deep as

in chase crawford's the

deep but he's like he's a

fantastic character

Yeah.

He's got some depth to him.

He's definitely got some gravitas.

Them finally having their

moment and being together.

We'll get there.

I also want to touch on Anthony Starr.

I love the dude.

He plays Homelander.

Homelander was created with

the DNA of Soldier Boy.

Yep.

However, in the comics,

the soldier boy that is

portrayed is not what we

get in the TV series.

I am right in the comic book.

Homelander has his way in

more ways than one with soldier boy.

Yes.

Yes.

Soldier boy that we see like, oh,

I was in Vietnam.

No soldier boy pissed himself in Vietnam.

Yep.

And yeah,

we'll leave it at that for that one.

And so one of the gender

swap characters that I was

telling you about earlier

and that we were discussing

with like how you felt like, you know,

with the creative liberties

was Victoria Newman.

In the comic book, it is Victor Newman.

And honestly,

I think they did a fantastic

job with her character in the TV series.

Because otherwise there

would have been some really

awkward moments in the TV

series if it was Victor

Newman instead of Victoria Newman.

Well,

they could have played it off like

they always do.

I think one of the main

reasons why they gender

swapped and split the name

from Victor to Victoria was

to separate this Victor

Newman from the Victor Newman.

Yeah.

Who's a bad man in his own right?

Not like Victor or Victoria, but yeah.

But it's one of the ones that they did.

And I was like, at first I was like,

I don't know.

But then I was like, you know what?

Eric Kripke did a fucking,

and the writers of the boys

did such a good job with Victoria Newman.

I was like, I ain't even mad.

Like she, what's her name?

Claudia Cravetti.

it's the actress who plays her.

She just stand up job.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

So let,

let's hit on some of the bigger changes.

Cause I do want to fill into

people cause we've never

talked about the boys before.

And this is probably what

some of the stuff we're talking about.

We, if we had covered it earlier,

which means USDN would have

had to been around four years ago.

Or five years ago.

We just didn't do.

So, we're going to hit some stuff.

So,

one of the biggest changes from the

comic to the show was Black Noir.

In the comic, he is a Homelander clone.

Yes.

And it was actually Black

Noir who assaulted Billy Butcher's wife.

Yep.

And he's also the guy who

committed the most heinous, like,

of crimes in the comic book.

Like...

They could have did a whole

season of SVU on Black Noir.

It was Black Noir all along

instead of Agatha.

Exactly.

And also he served under

Soldier Boy in Vietnam.

Yep.

In the show,

we see him killed at the end

of season... No.

Was it end of season three

or earlier in season four?

Where Homelander just

reaches in and disembowels him.

I think it was end of season three.

Okay.

I couldn't remember.

I just remember it just

being absolutely a brutal death.

Right.

Yeah.

And then they hire another

sleep actor to replace him

in the TV show.

Right.

Who turns out to have actual powers.

Yeah.

And he doesn't know how to shut up.

Would you shut the fuck up?

Yeah.

So I have another question here.

Because I was... As I'm writing this,

I was like...

Just questions I wanted to ask,

get your thoughts on,

and maybe even like people

out there to kind of like to think about.

So did Eric Kripke's

creation of new superheroes

take away from original comic characters,

even if the created

characters paid homage back

to comic characters from the boys, i.e.

Ezekiel, Mesmer,

who was played by Haley Jo Osment,

by the way, and Translucent.

No, not at all.

I didn't.

Yeah, I'm with you.

I kind of, I kind of look as the boys as a,

a homage to itself,

to the actual comic book and what, um,

they did with the comic.

I don't really look at it as a,

a one for one.

You know what I'm saying?

Similar to what they're doing with, um, um,

over on the other show on Netflix.

Um,

Shit.

Can't think of it all of a sudden,

but anyways, beside the point... Yeah,

I'm brain farting.

But, um... The...

what eric was going for and

why it didn't matter is you

you have all the the lore

the basic lore of it and

sure you've got some

characters that are new

that are created for the

show that are based on

other characters but really

what what he's doing is it

doesn't make a difference

because most of us

were casuals of this yeah we

didn't get it you know

there are those who were

like oh man we were ripped

off because this guy would

have been better and he's

from the comics and why

didn't they put him in but

of course you didn't know

that until you were already

hooked and you loved the

episodes and honestly the

boys is like a cult

following anyway so like

mainstream like they they

they didn't like, Oh,

this is based on a comic book.

Well, and by the time the boys come out,

you couldn't get the comic book anyway.

Yep.

Yeah.

You're either reading the

compendiums or nothing,

unless you wanted to spend a pretty dime.

you you you had to have been

a fan of this type of comic

book in itself because the

boys wasn't mainstream

marvel or dc no that was

image comics man yeah so

and even those that were

image comic followers were

like you know the boys was

really really hardcore you

know even so image did the

walking dead as well

And even the Walking Dead

comic books are like, holy shit.

Yes.

Yes.

I've always liked Image for

the grittiness.

That's why I will forever be

a fan of Image.

That and Spawn.

And I'm a big fan of Todd McFarlane,

even though he's kind of a

douche sometimes.

But I was thinking about The

Sandman earlier.

Because when you watch The

Sandman on Netflix,

you can pull out Compendium

1 of The Sandman.

And follow along with the

actual comic book.

Yes.

Which I have all the respect

in the world for.

But this one,

I feel like they could take

those creative liberties with it.

Oh yeah, most definitely.

It doesn't take it away from me.

Unless they fuck up the

ending and then I could be pissed.

Okay.

Okay.

Let's go ahead and I'm going

to be the first to tell you,

the ending of the TV show

is not going to be like the

ending in the comics.

At all.

I don't see any other.

Well,

I do see another way they could do it.

But I'm just such a huge fan

of the comic book end in that I'm like,

it messes with me to think

they would do it a different way,

I guess.

Because that's the one thing I'm like,

you can take all the

creative liberties you want,

but the ending's the ending

in my head with this one.

But then again,

they may come up with

something and I'm like, you know what?

God damn.

All right.

I stand corrected on this.

Let me ask you a question.

Game of Thrones.

Hold on a second.

The original series, Game of Thrones,

what season was it that you said, okay,

this is too far gone?

Season six, midway.

Season six, midway.

Everything about it after season,

midway through season six,

I was just like, this is hard to watch.

Okay,

so how about this for shits and giggles?

Anything after season,

I think it was season,

the beginning of season five.

Yeah.

After season four, maybe season five,

that was it.

Which season was it where

she was left there with her dragon?

Five, I believe.

That was at the end of five?

I think so, yeah.

That was it.

That was it.

The Black wedding that never

happened and people were like, oh,

season five is still great.

No, season five sucked ass.

It was long before season six,

before Disaster of Seven

and the horrible ending of Eight.

And so there is nothing

about that show after

basically midway through season five,

at the end of season five,

with elements throughout.

Like I said,

the Black Wedding happened

fairly early in season five.

None of that other shit that went on

was anything remotely about

what was happening in the movie, in the,

in the books.

Yeah, no, I know.

Yeah.

So for when, when people say, okay,

you know, it's supposed to end, you know,

the way that it ended in

the books or the comics for me, I'm like,

I'm still willing to let this shit cook.

Let's let the boys cook and

let it go down the way it's

supposed to go down.

Cause right now,

Billy's got a whole nother

motherfucker in his head.

Dude,

he's got a whole goddamn parasite

living inside of him.

Not just the parasite,

but he's got that... Okay,

I'm jumping ahead.

Let's go.

We can talk about that in a second.

Yeah, yeah.

Let's see, where was I?

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

This one is related to Gen

V. I know we haven't talked

about Gen V on the show,

but did Gen V. So we got season three,

Gen V, then season four of the boys.

Do you think Gen V created a

distraction from the main

title with the creation of

new characters and stories unrelated to

No.

To the main.

Okay.

No.

What I do think that because

we don't actually see the Gen V. Well,

we see elements of Gen V

throughout the last season, right?

This season.

We see elements of it and we

actually see a couple of

guys from Gen V at the end.

Yep.

Basically,

they're coming over and they're mixing.

I think that

Gen V in itself was supposed

to be very much so standalone-ish.

Yeah.

Well,

it's got to be standalone because

that's an original story.

Well, no,

it doesn't have to be standalone.

You can mix an original story with it.

I'm not saying standalone

like a standalone.

What I'm saying is like,

It's Eric Kripke's creation.

It's his character, his story.

It's standalone in the fact

that it's unrelated to the boys,

even though it ties to the boys.

Okay.

Because it's the same concept.

Well, it's the same universe,

same homelander goes there.

I think the elements and

events that happened with

the cast of Gen V

precipitated the need for

them to be incorporated into the boys.

We're supposed to get a

second season of Gen V. I

don't know if that is going to happen.

No, that one's happening.

They've already said that it's happening.

They're just choosing not to recast.

Oh, boy.

Yeah, the fellow that died.

Well, this is what I'm saying.

This is why I'm saying that is because,

you know,

when you now are seeing people

from Gen V in the boys,

how are they going to go back to Gen V?

And make it fit.

They can't.

They're not.

I will leave it to Eric

Kripke to figure out how

they're going to do season two.

I got a feeling season two

is going to roll.

And I mean this wholeheartedly.

They're going to end Gen V.

Season 2,

and it's going to go flow

straight into The Boys Season 5.

It has to.

There's some stuff happening

behind the scenes there in

Gen V. That's why we're

seeing them now in The Boys.

Mainly The Boys season

finale for Season 4.

But I got a feeling they're

going to tie it into there somewhere.

They're going to interweave it.

I'll give leeway to see that happen.

Yeah,

I'm going to get a little bit because

I really enjoyed the

characters from Gen V. Mary Moreau,

Kate Dunlap,

I felt like were two of the

stronger characters in there.

We see Kate in the season finale,

and Mary Moreau hasn't.

She's still locked up with the others.

Yes.

Which leads me into Temp V.

The use of Temp V in the TV series,

do you think that takes

away from the fact that in the comic book,

the boys use Super Soldier

Serum instead of Compound V?

Like,

that's what it was called in the

comic book was the Super

Soldier Serum Compound V

versus in the TV series,

it's just Temp V. Yeah.

And it gives them, like, a short amount of,

like, boost.

Power.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, one...

think that the name change

is so that Marvel doesn't sue.

Yes.

And not just Marvel, but Disney.

Yes.

There's a difference between

you and Image in your comic

book saying it's the super

soldier serum and Marvel going...

It's the what?

We're going to let you get away with it.

But now they say it in Disney.

The mouse is going to be like, oh, no,

we're going to smack that ass.

And they're literally going

to smack that ass.

So that wouldn't, you know.

Yeah,

I think that there's that reason why

they call it Temp V. I

don't think it takes

anything away from it.

I don't think that it changes much.

The deterioration of people

who take Temp V,

I can't remember in the

comics if it happened the same way,

that even though it gave them a boost,

most people died from it.

I think they wanted more,

and it was a habit-forming thing.

But there were some side effects to it.

I remember that.

Yeah.

the tip V thing,

the way that they have it going, you know,

if butcher from his use of

it is having such bad effects, how come,

you know,

he hasn't had that same thing or is he,

when will he, you know,

it was pretty fucked up with his dad,

you know, that,

that shit was fucking brutal.

What?

Oh my God, I was sitting there going, no,

no, no, no, no, no.

And, you know,

the fact that his mom had to

see that shit and how his

mom and his dad were

getting back together and, you know,

which on another note,

there's so many people out

there that hated that whole part of it.

And they're like, oh, his mom,

she should have died and

she ain't worth shit.

We don't know all the ins

and outs of this shit.

We do start to get some of

her story tied in.

Yeah, she couldn't handle it.

She had postpartum and all

this other shit.

And that's a real shit.

To find out that her and him,

his mom and his dad have been

communicating for you know a

few years now you know that that's

that's life.

It's messy.

I felt bad for his dad

because his dad is probably

one of the best people in

the whole fucking show.

Bro, hands fucking down.

From season one to the

moment he takes his last

breath on screen.

God damn.

The dude that plays him, what's his name?

Um...

fucking shauna the dead dude

um I wish I could remember

his name uh simon peg simon

peg thank you dude he's one

of those guys like I see

his name shit pop up on

something yeah I'm watching

and I'm gonna watch it I'm

gonna watch it and I know

he's got another movie

coming out too I want to

see it's like a follow-up

to shauna the dead like a

like like a what happens after

And I'm like, dude, I'm here for it.

Just just put it on the screen.

I'm here, you know.

Because I do enjoy anything he does.

So.

And I know this next

question that I want to

talk to you about is it's

probably one of my.

I go back and forth on it, right?

So in the comic book, we get the female.

However, the boys, we get Kimiko,

same person, same everything,

but they humanize her in the TV series.

Basically.

Yeah.

What,

what is your favorite version or

which version do you prefer of,

of the character Kimiko or the female?

Cause in the comic book, she's the female.

That's it.

Hmm.

I want to say Kimiko because

Kimiko is more relatable.

I'm with you, yeah.

And that's by design.

They could have made her exactly like,

you know, the female of her kind.

And, you know, just,

but you wouldn't have those

same moments of, you know,

Kimiko being Kimiko.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

You don't have those.

And for an actress to go, what is,

you know,

four seasons and not say a fucking word.

The actress who plays her is

Karen Fukuhara.

And she is amazing.

Yes, Katana, you're absolutely right.

She's amazing, dude.

Like,

From the Better Suicide Squad?

Yep.

Hey, there's no arguments here, dude.

No,

that was for all the other people out

there.

The Tims?

I said that out loud, didn't I?

But no,

I watched her on Instagram and

everything that she'd done

to become Kimiko...

learning sign language and

doing all this stuff.

I'm just like, yeah, she put in the work.

And that's probably what she's in.

One of my favorite

characters throughout this entire thing,

even in the comic book,

you have to go to some

other place to be able to,

to draw that much emotion, words, emotion,

and everything without thinking.

saying things.

Just the looks that she gives,

just the shifting of the eyes,

the contours of the face.

You know exactly what she's

saying without her saying it.

Even though she's doing sign language.

Yes.

Even when she wasn't doing it.

She could tell the story with just looks.

That's why it

like the first time I sit

down and watched season one and she,

she's introduced and I'm just like, damn,

this girl gets it.

Like she could tell she went

and studied the comic book

and who this character was.

And she didn't just take it as a, Oh,

they say I'm this.

No, she, she put in the work and it shows.

So I'm, I'm not mad.

And I, like you,

I do prefer Kimiko because I,

unlike the comic book in the show, she,

she's more humanized.

And I think I do Karen Fukuhara.

God, she's fucking slaying it, dude.

She's brilliant.

Mad prop.

So I was wanting to break

this down by episode,

but with the conversations we're having,

I really don't want to, uh,

to do that.

So let's do it like this.

Let's just talk about some

of our favorite parts of like,

let's go the first half of the season.

So one through four.

Okay, let's roll with it.

And I know I mentioned this

question to you earlier.

Did MM, Mother's Milk,

get the respect he earned from

And why did Butcher always

feel the need to shat on Mother's Milk?

And we're talking TV show Mother's Milk,

not comedy book Mother's Milk.

Okay, one, no.

Mother's Milk doesn't get

the respect that he deserves.

I think that he gets... He's got a chance.

And him seeing...

There's a reason why at a

few times even Starlight was like,

we need Butcher back.

We need Butcher.

Because Mother's Milk in the

comics cannot and will not

do the things that Butcher does.

And he's given the chance to

lead the team and it doesn't

exactly go the way that he

wants to he finds out

corralling all of them

including huey who's

supposed to be his right

hand man it's fucking hard

work to do dude it puts you

know what I'm saying get

heard in into a whole new

perspective fuck yeah um so

in in that aspect I i think that you know

No, he's not.

And again,

he gets smacked with a dick and

knocked out at the end of the season.

He gets no respect.

He gets no fucking respect.

Who else didn't get any respect?

Um... It's Rodney Dangerfield, by the way.

Rodney Dangerfield said that.

Yeah.

Yeah, but in this one, Huey.

Huey was... I felt so bad for Huey.

Dude,

Huey is portrayed as the biggest

bitch in this show.

No,

I wouldn't say that he's the biggest

bitch,

but he's the kid that just fucked

up shit just keeps happening.

How do you not become as

fucked up as the fucked up

shit that happens to you?

He's a good kid, man.

And that's a testament to his dad.

Yes.

Because I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Being down there in

TechMag's fucking sex dungeon...

And having that shit happen to me.

What?

I'd have killed them all.

I'd have killed them all.

I'd have killed every last one of them.

And Ashley would never have

made it to the end.

Alright, so let's talk about Ashley.

Colby Minifee plays Ashley.

And... Dude, she slays this fucking role.

Like,

she's another one that you can tell...

She didn't just take her characters like,

oh, this is who my character is.

No,

you could tell she went and put in the

work to learn who Ashley

really is from the comic book.

and fuck is she not killing

it dude like this season

she was phenomenal the

evolution I mean she's

she's still clearly so

terrified yeah and she

knows she's 100% fucked no

matter why she knows that

sooner or later her her

clock is getting punched

So if her and A-Train,

it's happening at some point.

Oh, my God.

And A-Train was like, come on,

we've got to go.

He's got to know.

When she looks at him with

that resolve in her face, it's like, no,

no.

If I'm going to die,

I'm not going to die

running or any of this stuff.

And that resolve was there.

But, you know,

she wears a wig because

she's pulled out all her fucking hair.

Yeah.

She, you know, oh, yeah, she took Temp V,

so we got to figure out how

that works out.

Dude, that's one of those where I'm like,

she's gonna be something

completely I got a feeling

that she's not gonna be

like recognizably human

when we see her in season

five she's not I just don't

see it happening she's not

I got a feeling it's gonna

completely like deform and

deranger the the

I keep going back to Tech

Nights sex dungeon because that, you know,

we knew that she was doing

old boy and dominating the

hell out of him.

But, you know, no, the not Tech Night,

but the the what's his name?

The news guy.

Yeah, the news guy.

But then to see her do the

they thought that he was

Huey was the spider guy.

And oh, my God.

When she put her hand on his face,

there was so much slime.

Oh, bro, that wasn't slime, man.

How the fuck?

I know it wasn't slime,

but how the fuck did she

generate that much?

What the hell?

It was just like, oh, man.

Oh, what the shit?

And then she just went on

about her business.

Yeah.

Man, fucking mad props to Huey too, man.

Fucking Jack Quaid.

I love the dude, man.

He's brilliant.

He bodies this character.

He does.

If they decide 10 years from now, like, oh,

we're going to reboot the boys,

the fuck you are.

Jack Quaid ain't going to

come back and fly Huey.

Listen, he, again,

over the years and over the seasons,

How does he not just become

as murderous as Billy is?

I mean, he's murked some guys.

Some on accident, some on purpose.

Let's go back to the very

first person he killed by accident.

Translucent.

He shoved a stick of

dynamite up his fucking ass.

Yeah.

That was one of those things.

I wholeheartedly... Billy...

The butcher kills on a whim.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know,

sometimes it's not necessary for

him to do the things that he does.

Huey is not there yet.

And Huey could be, you know,

in the comic books,

Huey got to that point.

Dude,

Huey got to a point where he would

just do it.

Yes, and that was the point of Huey,

the degradation of Huey in the comics.

He's not there yet,

but seeing how they ended

this season four, they may get there.

And since we're just going

to freelance this whole thing,

when he sees what was his

friend in Victoria Newman

get ripped apart by the Butcher,

Yeah,

I think that could be when we see him

come back in season five.

I think that's the version

of Huey we're going to get.

Like, he kind of knows, like,

this is it for us.

I don't think that it was

Victoria doing that because

he had warned Victoria.

He told her,

you keep going down this route,

you're going to die,

and it's not going to be good.

I think the part of it is, is at the end,

they separated him and

Starlight and took him down.

Well, Starlight did get away.

Oh, yeah.

She got away, but he's done.

I think that's going to be

the one that got it.

You know, he's... Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's... Again,

and that wasn't really

Butcher that killed Victoria.

No, that was the Parasite.

The Parasite.

His cancer evolved into a

parasite with the use of compound V. Yep.

Because you notice now the

cancer isn't killing him.

He's not debilitated.

Yep.

But he's also not 100% in

control of himself.

Oh, he's not Billy.

That's not Billy.

That's the parasite.

Yeah.

You know, 100%.

I want to talk about episode 4.

Let's do episode 4 because I

kind of felt like that was

Homelander's beginning to his end.

I think this is where he

really kind of fucking

loses himself in his own head.

Other than the fact that

he's collecting his gray hairs in a jar.

I'm not going to say what hair it was.

so he goes back to the lab

that he was grown in and um

he torments and tortures

like the main people at the

um the lab and um dude it

is probably one of the

bloodiest like episodes that we we get

Because, I mean,

the one guy who used to

watch him in the furnace.

The kiln?

Yeah, the furnace.

Yeah, he cuts the dude.

Like, crispy critters, this motherfucker.

Like, it got so hot,

it burned the bone in the ash.

And I was like, oh, damn.

He's like,

you used to watch me when I was

a kid when y'all would

stick me in here to see how,

if it would burn me.

Yep, how hard it got.

He goes, I never burned,

but that shit still hurt.

Yeah.

Like the one dude, he shot his dick off.

He didn't just shoot his dick off.

He put a hole through where his body is.

His junk used to be.

Yep.

And then finally, the main,

that lady in charge, I forgot,

did he just lock her in the silence room?

He locked her in the silence

room with all of their dead bodies.

Yes, like all the lab tests, everybody.

Yeah,

he killed the rest of them and locked

her in there with them.

And you know what's going to

happen to her in this room

where you can hear nothing

but your blood flowing through your body.

Yep.

Like, how fast it would take for it to,

like, drive you insane.

Now, I don't think that that was...

where he really started losing himself at.

I mean, he started... Yeah, go ahead.

So remember, he talked about, you know,

this whole season from last season,

the ending of last season,

and throughout the season

was them doing whatever the

fuck that they want to do

because he's Homelander.

Who the fuck is going to stop him?

Yeah.

And so going back,

he had always had terror

about this place and those people.

This was him taking back, you know,

in the bloodiest,

most fucked up way that he knew how.

But, you know,

basically he was subjecting

them to the same shit that...

subjected them to the same

shit that they subjected

him to and did so for years.

They basically tortured him.

I had no problem with

Homelander doing this.

For me,

where he started losing it was

seeing that his son

Wanted more to do with Billy

the Butcher than... Yeah, yeah.

You're right.

That right there started

fucking with him on a whole nother level.

Yeah.

And then him getting a new milkmaid.

Fucking... What's her name?

Firecracker.

Yeah.

Yeah, that was... She...

That scene right there,

just the surprise that he had,

the... That was... She

would do that for him.

When she first popped it out, he's like,

I'm not even remotely

interested in you like that.

And then she squirted at me.

He's like...

The surprise and the awe was like,

he was like, you did that for me?

Yeah.

But she made herself sick.

Yeah, she made herself sick.

And he's like, when he hands her a tissue,

he's like, no, move.

No, no, no.

Father.

All right, let's talk about Sage.

Go ahead.

Let's do Sage.

Sage, no, no.

Sage helped participate that.

You remember, she was like,

keep doing what you need to

do to keep him, you know, in your voice.

She knew what was going to

happen and how he was going

to react to it.

Yep.

Now, I wanted to, real quick,

let's close out Huey's dad

because he closed out.

So he is given Temp V. No,

I think he was given

full-up Compound V. He was

given the V that was in

Homelander's... Dresser,

which is a full-up... Dresser.

Yeah,

those are the last vials of Compound

V. Yep.

And his dad,

who suffered a stroke in Episode 1,

and what happened is when

he woke up and...

At first he was fine,

but then they're like, okay,

we're going to go and we'll be back.

And when they get back,

they find out that he's awakened again.

And he's basically like,

he's unintentionally murdering everyone,

like everyone in the

hospital because he has no

clue what's going on.

He doesn't even know like where he's at,

what he's doing or anything.

Yeah.

He doesn't remember.

He doesn't remember years.

He doesn't remember any of that.

He remembers that his wife left him.

He doesn't remember him

getting over it or any of that stuff.

So when he was coming at her,

Huey was like, okay, stop that.

He's like, you're not Huey.

Huey's a boy.

Yeah, Huey's a kid.

You're not Huey.

Yeah.

but when he read through

that bed and then oh dude

yeah yeah that was oh god

that was it wasn't the

bloodiest scene but that

was definitely a unique one

that's for sure yeah and

it's not the first time we

had seen something similar

to that but that was one of

the ones where it was just like

who got the worst of that deal,

the dead guy or Huey's dad?

Because Huey's dad still has

no clue what's going on or

what's happening to him.

Yeah, that's... The worst, the worst,

the worst.

But, you know, I think his mom and himself,

they did the right thing

when they were finally able

to get him laid down and

then put him down, basically.

Yeah.

And that's one of those

things is when do you do

something like that?

And I think that they did it

at exactly the right,

most applicable time.

And it was perfect.

It was like right at a mid-season,

kind of like season finale

turn point is when that happened.

And Rob has dropped again,

but we'll keep pressing on.

Until he can rejoin us.

And yeah.

Good times are happening today.

With his internet.

Wherever he is staying at this week.

So we just closed out.

on Huey's father and him finally being,

you know,

them attempting to save him to them,

you know,

eventually being the ones that

had to put him down.

But what we were about to

talk about and take a

moment to discuss was the

deep and his serious

depravity when it comes to

his lady friends in his life.

aquatic and non aquatic.

And, um,

I was going to give big ups to

chase Crawford who brought

the deeps character to the screen for us.

And that dude,

like fricking nailed this role.

Like there can never be

another deep after this

cause chase Crawford

absolutely slam this role.

Um,

He, yeah, I mean, he lost his wife,

his newfound wife that they

gave to him to help cure

him of whatever was elling

him in his depraved ways to

having his secret

girlfriend in the closet, i.e.

his octopus.

And, yeah, that was fucked up,

really fucked up.

To him eventually, you know,

having relations with Sage,

who apparently also was

just as depraved as him.

Maybe not as much, but still, nonetheless,

she was just as depraved

between her taking

advantage of the poor old

Deep and Black Noir at the time.

So...

We've already hit on Tech

Night's House of Depravity

and Huey's undercover

business as the web weaver.

And we're kind of closing in

toward the end of season four.

And I was wanting to kind of

like dig into basically where

we are going in season five

with them having the

ability to make the virus

that could possibly kill

all the soups to include

Homelander to them.

Just having maybe,

I think enough to possibly

kill Homelander, maybe.

Um, so there's that.

And, uh,

Really,

episode eight is kind of like we

get to visit.

Ron visits Butcher in the

hospital with Mallory.

And they were trying to

convince Ron to possibly kill his father.

But that kind of upsets Ron

and Ron does accidentally kill Mallory,

who has been the.

The biggest points of.

Hey, late's better than never, man,

because right now I am

talking to myself because

Rob dropped out for like the fifth time,

and I'm just trying to make

it through to the end,

and I can close out this

episode because this has

been a rough one as we've

been talking about the boys.

But yeah, so...

Ryan accidentally kills

Mallory and runs away from... Basically,

Ryan should have just ran

the fuck away to begin with

because nobody in his life

was a positive influence on

that poor kid.

And it's bad enough he's Homelander's son.

And then... So, again,

with Homelander's growing paranoia,

he directs what's left of

the Seven to kill everyone.

In Vought Tower.

And who may or may not have

discriminating evidence

against the crimes that the

seven have committed, which I mean,

really,

there's everybody knows what the

seven has committed and all

the crimes they have done.

But in that haste, Ashley,

poor old Ashley went from

the CEO of the company to

being just a flunky in the company.

leads her to injecting

herself with compound V.

And we never really see her

after she injects herself

with compound V. So it's

going to be interesting

when season five rolls around,

what has become of Ashley

and her injecting herself

with the compound V. I got

a feeling it's not going to

be a pretty sight for her.

But who knows?

And as I was saying earlier, now,

You know,

Kimiko ends up infected with the

virus that could possibly

take out all the soups.

And then.

So Frenchie saws off her leg

very violently.

To save Kimiko's life.

Because we all know Kimiko

is going to regrow her leg.

So that's going to be a kind

of a non-issue there.

And then Kimiko or Frenchie uses her leg.

infected leg to recreate the

virus that is going to be

able to supposedly kill the Supes.

So then Singer, who is the president-elect,

the boys discover that there is a

A shapeshifter out there.

Who is looking.

Working with the seven.

To kill Singer.

That way they can put.

Victoria Newman.

In charge.

But.

With.

Well they discover that.

The shapeshifter.

Is actually.

She has kidnapped Annie.

A.K.A Starlight.

And.

Become Annie.

Annie.

And so that's when they

realize that while they're

in the bunker with

President Yvette Singer,

that Annie is the one who

is the shapeshifter.

And during this time,

Victoria Newman and

Homelander are on a news program and.

Homelander outs Victoria as

being a soup herself,

which up until this point,

she had kept a secret.

And of course, with that happening,

it freaks Victoria out and

she calls Huey to protect

her and her daughter Zoe, who, by the way,

Victoria injected with

compound V as well.

And had her own episode of

Soup Rampage and of eating people.

But anyways, so the boys,

they go to meet Newman.

And as they're meeting Newman,

Butcher shows up.

And Butcher basically kills

Newman with his...

I don't want to say new

powers because it's not really powers.

It's his cancer has evolved

into a parasite that is

overtaken him basically.

And he stills the virus from Frenchie rips,

you know, Newman in half.

And then, um, uh,

when back at the seven headquarters, uh,

Sister Sage returns to tell

Homelander that everything

has gone as planned and it

was a success because

Singer has been arrested.

And Gibbs is back.

Dude, I've been the kind of like synopsis,

like the final episode.

When you pot back in.

So that's kind of where I'm

at with Singer being

arrested for conspiring

with the boys to kill Newman.

Yes.

And so then,

so now Singer's been arrested.

Newman's been ripped in half by Billy,

Billy's parasite.

And so now the speaker of

the house is become the new

president and swears

allegiance to Homelander

and declares martial law.

Which probably ain't the

best idea with Homelander in charge.

So then the boys are ambushed.

They're captured by Vought.

And the only one of

everybody who manages to escape is Annie.

and of course, you know,

butcher escapes and he has

a virus with him.

And I don't think the virus

is enough to be the normal virus.

If I'm remembering correctly,

it's just enough to

possibly kill Homelander.

And, um,

Of course, you know,

the Speaker of the House is like, oh,

you're looking for Soldier

Boy in Durrett's Homelander

where Soldier Boy is being

held in cryogenic freezing.

Well, he's not cryogenically freezing.

There's another gas or drug

out there that puts him in.

Something that's keeping him frozen, yeah.

Yeah.

And they don't age normally anyway.

Right.

Because, I mean, shit,

at this point... Um...

Soldier Boy is in his 80s or 90s.

Yeah.

So it was a very wild time

with the shapeshifters and.

Oh, Jesus.

You know,

Mother's Milk having second

thoughts and just thinking

about running away.

Yeah.

Just going to be with his family.

Homelander killing Web Weaver.

And fucking well, we were like,

I don't I don't know how to

how to put this.

But he when well,

we were gets nervous or anxious.

The dude literally can't

stop shooting webs.

He doesn't.

It's literally it's not out of his ass.

He's got a little thing

above his ass like a spider would have.

And he that's how he shoots webs.

And it's just, like,

it's absolutely fucking disgusting.

Like, Jesus fucking Christ.

But, yeah, man,

I think we're at a good spot.

Let's do this.

I did want to discuss with you.

I did mention this a little

bit because I really wanted

to talk about the deep stuff.

And his depravity.

Oh, Jesus.

And I wanted to give props

to Chase Crawford.

For bringing us the deep in

deep thoughts with the deep,

because those are some of

the best shorts out there, man.

So the deep is.

The deep has gone from doing

anything and everything for

acceptance to accepting that he is.

Superior, thanks again, Sister Sage.

Yep.

And that allowed him to

be... That was done for two

reasons she did that.

One, because I think she truly believes,

why the fuck are you

letting her tell you what to do?

Yep.

You were superior to her in every way.

Yep.

And two, to destabilize Ashley.

So it was a two-for-one stone.

Mm-hmm.

But,

you know... And she also used it to

get her own rots off, too.

Mm-hmm.

Well, she did,

but she had to lobotomize

herself to do the Deep.

And then we find out she was

doing Black Noir, too,

and she wasn't lobotomizing herself.

I mean, we're talking the Deep here.

The Deep went from having a

wife at the beginning of

the season to having another octopus.

Well, no,

it's the same octopus from

previous seasons.

But he murders her.

That, to me,

was where the Deep really gets... I mean,

from the first season,

he gets no redemption.

But him murdering the octopus, you know,

that was, dude, that's fucking no-no.

Yeah, his redemption arc was, like,

on point by that time until he did that.

No,

he wasn't going to get no redemption

from me.

Not necessarily a redemption,

but his character, like,

the level of his character, like, kind of,

like,

Okay, we're now learning that.

Okay, now he's finally realized, like,

dude, you're a fucking suit man.

Yes, yes.

And then he's like, oh,

but let me murder my girl real quick.

Okay, I'm tracking.

Yeah.

And then he lets her die and, you know,

effectively murdering her.

And then you see from there, he's just.

That fucked him up, I think,

a lot more than he expected it to.

Especially once he realizes

Sage is also sleeping with

Black Noir and not lobotomizing herself.

Oh, that shit is hilarious.

And Noir is like, yeah, okay.

I'm walking away.

Hell yeah.

So yes, the Deep is one.

Both the Deep and A-Train have to die.

Absolutely, yeah.

They both have to die.

For different reasons,

but they both have to die.

Yeah.

The second Black Noir.

The first one's already dead.

He had his shit ripped out.

Oh, no, I wasn't talking about Noir.

I'm talking about the D and A-Train.

Oh, A-Train, yeah, yeah.

Now, Noir's going to die, too.

I do believe... I believe

Noir's going to die, or he might die.

He has a 50-50 chance of making it,

because he's just doing the shit,

because... That's what he

was hired to do.

That's what he was hired to do, you know?

And he's like, okay,

but he doesn't really want

to... He's like, dude,

this is some fucked up shit, you know?

Yes.

He started talking.

I was like, Oh my God.

All right.

You know, but he's,

he's not above doing some,

some doing the shit, but he's like,

what the fuck are we doing?

You know, I just want to know direction.

What direction is my character going?

I'm like, he may make it,

but he may not make it,

but the deep in a train,

they have to die.

Yeah.

I want to ask you this.

What was your favorite death this season?

The one death where you're like, fuck it.

It's about time that person is done.

Oh, shit.

What?

Oh, fuck.

I know.

I saved the hard one for last.

What?

The one this season that said, ha ha, yes,

I'm glad they're dead.

Yes.

I don't know if I have one of those.

It might have to be Victoria.

Okay.

Because she's been dancing too long,

and it's time she died.

I think that that was

probably the one for me for this season.

Who was yours?

It was a toss-up, really,

between Victoria and Tech Knight.

I hated Tech Knight's

character from the very beginning.

When they introduced him on...

uh jen v I was like I hate

this motherfucker like that

smug arrogance that he

carried onto the which is

his job and the guy whoever

played him fucking

fantastic job great job

yeah but god damn way and

he finally his butler put a

fucking cap in him and he's

like I'm so tired of

cleaning up after his ass

And then he's like, here's a secret door.

Y'all go.

Y'all go.

I'll clean this shit up.

Don't worry about this shit.

I got this.

I was like, alright, yeah.

That's somebody who has

suffered and is like... Yes.

This poor fella, man.

He was like, yeah,

I'm enough of this shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, all right,

that was my final question.

Any last bits from you?

On the boys itself, no.

Nothing really huge.

I did say that –

A-Train had to go,

but A-Train had probably

one of the most heartfelt

moments out there when he

rushed old boy to the hospital.

Yeah, MM.

He had his hero moment.

He had his hero moment, and he's like,

that's how this should feel.

I love that he got that for him, but

When he dies, I'm going to be like, God,

I hope he goes out a hero.

Yeah, no, I'm with you with that one,

especially on A-Treme.

He became such a likable

character this season.

Oh, no, I still hate him.

He is not a likable character.

He is a... He's doing it out

of necessity to...

he's doing it out of

necessity to try and stay alive.

But in the, in doing so he's finding,

you know, he had his hero moment.

He had the hero moment and he,

he wishes that, you know,

like he told Huey, listen, man,

he was like, listen, man,

I know this and this, but I'm trying,

you know, and,

See, to me, that's the scene that said,

damn, I actually kind of like him.

Yeah.

No,

that's the scene that I said his death

is even going to be more

tragic because of how he's got to die.

You know,

it's going to be this futile

fight against Homelander

that's going to hurt even

with him killing Huey's girl.

even with him doing some of

the fucked up shit like he

did to his own girlfriend,

the way that he's just let

his brother get dissed and all that shit,

all of that shit that he has done,

in that one moment when

he's futilely trying to

fight Homelander and is

getting fucked up and killed,

you're going to say, God damn fuck,

A-Train!

you deserved it.

You bastard.

God.

Oh yeah, dude.

You know, it's funny.

I say like, you know,

I'm ha I'm liking where

he's going and all this.

My thing is,

if he would have died after he saved him,

I wouldn't have been mad at that point.

You know what I'm saying?

Like he got his hero moment.

And if he would have been

discovered at that point, like, Oh,

this motherfucker is the

traitor and Homelander

would have just did him in right there.

Uh, I,

I could have been like, oh, okay.

Yeah, no, he got his moment,

and then Homelander was like,

you're done.

Yeah,

I could have seen them dying right then,

but I think that they're waiting for a...

huge impactful moment yeah I

think it's going to be one

of those that it's going to

be you know where we really

feel for for a train you

know and you know they're

going to make his you know

him saving mother's milk

was part of his redemption

art but you know like huey

said there's no redemption for you mm-hmm

You know,

Huey would still kill him if he could.

Oh, dude.

In a blink of an eye, he would do it.

But that is my last shot.

My last takeaway is...

Fuck.

It's all the perfect storm

that is set up that next

season is just going to be

a beast of a fucking season.

And it's the final.

I don't think we're ready.

I don't think we're ready.

It's going to be well over the top.

So I will ask this.

Part and shot,

if you had to recommend the boys,

would you recommend the

comic book to somebody or the TV show?

Yes.

yes first of all it depends

on the person because I

don't recommend the boys

for no I don't either but

if you're a person that I'm

going to recommend it to

I'm going to tell you watch

the boys then read I'm

going to tell you do both

yes but I'm going to tell

you to watch the boys then

read the comic yeah I'll be

I can be down with that

Yep.

Because if you do it the other way around,

you're going to fuck yourself up.

Yeah,

you're definitely going to fuck...

You're not going to want to

do the other one if you read it first.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So with that, everybody,

if you stuck around, I appreciate it.

I apologize for all our

technical difficulties tonight.

I am so sorry, you guys.

And then having to listen to

me kind of like just drag

on for a little bit.

I do apologize.

With that,

I want to thank everybody that

did tune in for tuning in.

Big props to Ben and to Pop

Break for loaning me Ben, basically.

You'll see Ben again.

We're bringing Ben back for

part two of Cobra Kai.

And I'm not sure when our

next episode will be,

but we will have a next episode.

It'll probably be,

it definitely won't be

anytime this month because

I'm going to spend the last

week probably still crying

because my daughter's gone to college.

And I have a birthday in there,

so I'm going to celebrate my birthday.

I don't know how long I'm going to be,

but we'll go 23 again.

There we go.

Um, big thanks to everybody.

Like I said,

for tuning in a big thank you

to DFPN as always for

allowing me to have a

platform to share with y'all.

Um,

big props to Gibbs who just dropped again,

which is funny.

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