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Awesome Humans is a podcast by Brett McCallum. Entrepreneur, author, speaker, and all-round Aussie bloke, Brett McCallum has been in the IT business with his company Virtech for over 15 years, alongside many other ventures - with a range of successes and learning experiences along the way. In this series, Brett interviews all sorts of inspiring humans from varied backgrounds to share their stories with the world. Many of Brett's guests have an entrepreneurial background and an amazing story about their successes and failures along the way.
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This is a Podfire production. podcast may have explicit themes and swearing and may not be suitable for children. The world is full of amazing people and once a week I get the opportunity to interview one of them. My name is Brett McCallum and this is Awesome Humans. Morning all, it's Brett McCallum on the host of Awesome Humans podcast. It brings together some of the most amazing people on this awesome planet of ours to tell us their stories. We have a few laughs, sometimes some tears. Most of all, it's all about them and who they really are.
Welcome to Awesome Humans. Today's guests. Well, the reason I did podcasting and the reason I love doing this podcast is because I get to meet some amazing people. I get to tell stories. Well, today's guest has lived multiple lives during multiple things and lived in multiple places all around the world. She's now on the GC repping a new movie by an amazing local director who we're actually going to hear from later today, which will be a bit of fun. I met this awesome human through another one.
Soon to be guest, Haley, an old school mate of mine who lives in San Fran is smashing up the startup space with Bubble, a future advertising partner of this podcast. She doesn't know that yet, but I'll tell her when I talk to her. That's going to change the way people travel. So thanks to Hales for the introduction. I asked Haley, how did you meet this guest? And she said, well, I was at Coachella and she was playing a gig and then I caught up with her afterwards and that's where it all started. So now they're mates for life. They share contacts, experiences, and they have love for each other, which is awesome.
So let's get started. She's a creative change catalyst, a web three advisor, growth hacker, producer, host and creator, artist, co-founder, day or nerd, demon slayer, partying in the metaverse IRL. And she's building brands and events and it says, let's go. I stole that from your LinkedIn. And then when I did some really in-depth research, which I never do, she had 10 years, has a host and radio in Melbourne. She's an actress from a great Aussie show.
winners and losers. And she was a war, a blue karma sutra suit in the movie lukewarm sex. When asked who would, I love this one. Who would you give yourself to completely back in 2011? She said Peter Andre, because when he gets his abs out when I was five, love that. And Megan Fox, cause she looks so good when she bends over and fixes cars. My type of lady. Anyway, this is going to be a really fun ride. Welcome Justine Jade. just.
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what am I going to call you? can call me JJ. JJ? That's the easiest. That's the easiest. JJ is the easy one. Welcome JJ. Thanks for having me, mate. No worries at all. I'm so excited about this today. Hey, I asked everyone, this is the first question ever. What's your first ever memory? How far back can you go? Literally birth trauma. So literally birth trauma. Talk me through that literally birth trauma. went through a somatic experiencing session. I don't know, 10 years ago or something. What's a somatic?
You somatic experience session, you lie on a table and you get a practitioner just to touch your body where you guide them. So I'll say left shoulder, more pressure, left temple, right leg, whatever, It's just a physical touch. Yeah, they'll literally touch you lightly. Or if you say more pressure, they do more pressure and you go, you can go through memories that can go super old. So depending on how much I would say work,
done on yourself or your sensitivity. Yeah, I went in that session and went through birth trauma because I was a caesarian baby. Yep. And I always make the joke like I came out gay because I came out face first from my mom's vag with my tongue, like looking outwards. Do you know what I mean? And they push me back in, turn me around and then come out. they cut me out. so like, but in that process of like, you're coming out of the womb, then you get pushed back in and turned around.
you're in this kind of waiting period or this waiting moment in darkness where you as the baby don't know what's going on until they rip you out. And then they just shove me on a cold thing, wipe me down, slapped a tag on my leg and then eventually gave me to my mom. But I went through that process in this somatic experiencing in terms of like remembering the cold steel on my back when the thing was strapped onto my leg with the baby name, like all of it in my body memory. was insane. That would have been just a unreal experience. how do you experience that? know what I mean?
That's bizarre. Yeah, but it's all like, that's so cool too. Yeah. The work of, Peter Levine, waking the tiger. It's all about somatic experience and how the body cells hold the memory. So you can do all the therapy you want in the world, you come against these things as an adult in relational patterns and you're like, what the hell is that? Do a somatic experiencing session and the body's like the cells have the memory. You get it out of there. You're all good. Yeah. My wife goes and see, forget what he's called, but they, they tap.
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They do certain tapping on parts of your body that bring out the old emotions. Yeah, like EFT and then and then when the emotions come out, they're gone. Yeah. So you can actually get over these traumatic experiences by actually doing this. That's amazing. You don't have to talk about it for 10 years in therapy. just got to officially the best ever answerer of first ever memory. Cool. Hey, you're at a party, right? And you are there and everyone's chatting and telling this story and all that sort of stuff. What's the best ever Justine story?
JJ story sorry. What's your go-to? man, to be honest if you asked me 10 years ago I'd tell you that I lost my three front teeth having sex when a picture frame smashed my mouth open and I made a tour about that in Comedy Festival to make my money back for the dentistry. I would tell you that. We'll go there later. I would tell you that 10 years ago but if you ask me now it's that I kind of grew up quite new agey and kind of occulty and then I met Jesus in Mexico in my bed and now I'm a Jesus freak and I got saved. So it's a whole different story now.
Wow. Yeah. This could take hours. So you're a religious person now. No religious find you religious. Yeah. Jesus found me. didn't find him. Nah. Well, everyone's been looking for him for ages. No, I wasn't looking. I looked everywhere else. I'm the person that looked in Buddhism, Hinduism, meditation, Vipassana, fasting, every therapy thing you could possibly try for 20 years. Shamanism, medicine. I served medicine. All of that was my path. And I was literally in my bed in Mexico, really unwell.
like I mean, toilet vomiting, fever for days on end. was like, this is probably COVID dengue and food poisoning all in one. Cause I've just landed in the new microbiome in my belly of Mexico. But I was getting the quickest way to go through it. Cause it'll be a 10 hour story. Otherwise it's like, I was so hot. The temperature wasn't normal. Wasn't a normal fever. And I have enough spiritual awareness to realize, this is my soul in hell. Even though my life is good. I'm doing music to her. I'm with my partner. Life looks great. I could recognize it was my soul. And I literally call that to God.
God help me like get me out of this because this is not physical and God literally showed up in my bedroom. I don't know how to explain it. It wasn't visual. was audible, audible and felt sense. my whole body like, yeah. he his voice in it like a, like a dad Morgan Freeman or more like a Donald Trump. Yeah, no, definitely not like a Trump more like a more like a Morgan Freeman. Yeah, to me.
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But that was just my interpretation of But I was like, man, get me out of here. Like it was so hot. Like I can't explain it. Cause the second I label it with human words, minds will go into our association of those words. But he literally goes to me, Hey, you've always listened to me. We've got a good relationship. Cause I've heard from God since I was a kid, prophetically through dreams, visions, whatever. But he goes to me, you don't, need to accept Jesus. And I'm like, huh? I'm like, you mean the religious programming or the vision I had of what Jesus meant? He's like, no, you need to accept that that was me alive on earth for a little bit. And that
like my Holy Spirit, once you receive Him will reveal the rest to you. And I'm like, what the heck does that mean? So I'm lying in bed, like this is all just audible, right, in telepathy. And I'm like debating God, right? But I can't fight God because when God's in the room, my whole body can feel the love. Like my whole body felt like, I don't know, 20 ecstasy pills, right? It was just overwhelming love. And I'm going, okay, so if I accept Jesus, what does that mean? He's like, stop asking questions, just accept, and then I'll reveal it to you. So I go, okay.
after maybe like two minutes in human time, I go, accept Jesus as my savior, not knowing what the hell that meant. Cause in my mind that sounded like victim verbals, right? So I go, no, I accept Jesus. And I literally had this, I would say like an oil poured from like the top of my crown down to my legs and it like an inside cleaning. It was intense. This is more than ayahuasca, more than said Pedro, more than anything over the years that I've done for 20 years on the self journey, right? I was like, what? I'm like, that's, that's Jesus. That's Christ. That's what this means.
And then the Holy Spirit started giving me words. started writing in Hebrew and like my whole life changed. And that was three and a half years ago now. And I've been integrating it for that long. Because started writing in Hebrew. Yeah. I woke up, God would give me words, different words and different meanings. And then I would figure out what they are. So it like it's in the spirit world getting grafted into the lineage of Jesus. That's what it meant. I look at this from a human point of view, let's call it that. Yeah. Is this your, pray love moment?
Well, I had many of those over my life. But is this it? Is this the one? Yeah, I'm not searching anymore. would say before- So you found it? Yeah, I would say I've always he found you obviously. Yeah, I didn't do looking. Now remember that. That's the difference. I would always be searching for whatever and it wouldn't fulfill, if that makes sense. After all these experiences, you'd be like empty, go So were you religious at all? No. Previously, has it just happened? No, my whole family's atheist.
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In fact, my dad came from a boost in the Catholic Church, so I was anti anything. Never read a Bible. None of that. And then now it's like Jesus Freak by every Bible in every language you could possibly do it because it's not like a fictional book. They're not. No, no, this is the thing. is the thing like not church, not church, not religion, but actual Jesus, which I think is like people would read the Bible and they're probably reading it in one dimension. Of course. And there's like literally everyone's got a view on every different thing.
I could say to you one thing and you take it that way. And I say the same thing to that person and they take a completely different. And that's why I fucking hate churches because it's the whoever is this man at the front, usually a pedophile who actually, who's actually there grooming because that's what they do. And that was a very broad statement. So apologies for those that aren't. But that's my view and that's my opinion. And that's the reason why I am the way I am is the fact that I wouldn't put my children there. I wouldn't do that sort of stuff.
The same same thing is I read a book and I read it this way you read a book you know, it's like saying when you're in comedy Yeah, you tell a joke like and you someone may find it really really offensive. Whereas I'm pissing my pants laughing Yeah life experience. but that's the whole thing is that that's what that's sort of breaking that down How you you saw it, but I'm in the same page as you I'm not walking into a church Do you know what I mean? And like it's it's it's kind of when something like that happens. It's like, okay so God found me when I'm like on my knees and like
shitting my pants and unwell, right? That's the difference and how I kind of correlate it is like I searched for all these things my whole life. It led to quote unquote nowhere, right? Like a deception of self fulfillment. And then when I was at my absolute worst physically, like almost felt like I was physically dying. God shows up. I meet Jesus and I'm like, you found me. It's actually, did you meet Jesus as well as God or just is it the same? Yeah, same dude. So it was just kind of like, I've been searching in all these places and like I would say like the
projection of what Jesus is in the world is so twisted because the closer you actually get to the truth, the bigger the distortion, right? So they've got that face of the white guy in the church that was actually, was going to be my next question. You have to paint Jesus for me right now. What's he look like? I can't see it's that bright. It's just a light. Yeah. So I'm not seeing a physical, it's not a bearded dude hanging on a cross. It's actually just a light.
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It's not what you well, I didn't see anything. This was all verbal. So like I never, I never like inquired and said, Hey, what do you look like? Cause it doesn't really matter. Like, also your brain works in that way. Like if it's an audible thing and you feel it, then that's real. That's real. Like you don't need to see it to be real. No, but the funniest thing is how I think the church these days teaches whatever they're teaching, right? Like what you're talking about.
religion and indoctrination and the side of the church that is grooming and there is the side of the church that I'm sure is lovely. It's just not a world I dwell in because for me, God is in this room. He's in the surf. He's not just in these four worlds, four walls, right? Where people pay some donations or whatever. Big money for the big ones, right? But also that's bad. Like if I'm doing PR for Jesus right now, man, like the churches aren't doing very well. you know what I mean?
I'm just like, they've got part of it right, but they're missing the, but that's the whole of society, right? They don't want everyone to know that pharmaceuticals are what they are and big government is what it is. They want you to know that. So they don't actually want everyone to know the truth of what Jesus really is. They want you to know the program. And then that's kind of how I understand that they keep the deception and people kind of on the self-healing hamster wheel, I like to call it. And there's no actual answers there. But if it's just like, if you completely collapse and you can't go anywhere else, that's where God will find you. know? That's so cool.
I'm loving the JJ story. That's awesome. Let's go back to the start. Where were you born? Adelaide in Adelaide. Yeah, was born in Adelaide. I went I moved to Melbourne when I was five and I grew up around all the eastern suburbs. So where'd you go to? What was your first school? This is hilarious. Now that you've asked me that it was actually Christ the King. There you go. It started at the beginning when I was five in Adelaide, but I only went for like four months because my parents put me in young because I was hyper intelligent, but my emotions weren't ready. So they put me in young, wasn't ready.
moved to Melbourne, went again at my right age group and that was all good. Then I went to All Saints. I'm sure these were probably Catholic or something, but there was no lesson, you know what I mean? Like. of course. So at school, like we're in primary school, you're a good kid, bad kid. I was a good kid, man. was like hyper intelligent, music, singing. No, not a nerd, just drama, sport, like everything and anything you could do. Big group of friends or just some close friends? I don't like groups of people. Yeah. Always since a kid. Yeah.
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Yeah, like a high down behind that and then what we what we're get to later and the amount of people that you perform in front of is fucking hilarious I'm fine on the stage. Don't put me in the crowd. Fair enough. They put you in the mosh pit So then you go to high school you know sort of becoming a young woman and you go to high school Yeah, does it change there or you still that sort of intelligent? Artie fartie. Yeah, a bit of everything love and life. Yeah school leader and all that stuff
Yeah, I did. played for Victoria, played interstate netball when I was younger. So netball was the sport? Yeah, netball and then aths and then soccer footy, everything. Like I was obsessed. Like anywhere at school was probably better than my home life. So anything I could dive into, I'm like, get me the drama, get me the music. So DJing young, singing young, I played Romeo at school. Romeo? Wow. It was an all girls school. They were lacking on choices. So if you had to put...
School life in total as good, bad or ugly. Amazing. I went to an amazing school. Best time of your life? Back then. Not of my life, but it was amazing. Like the education was epic and like no one in my family went to uni or anything like that. So I was the first person to have a proper education and yeah, I come from a simple. So mom and dad, tell me about mom and dad. Simple people, know, good people. Mom's family kind of like salt of the earth kind of people. They all came across from.
England and stuff as minors back in the day. then dad side were more, royal family socialites. Grandma was the first person to host a fashion show in Adelaide and stuff like that. complete kind of opposites, but simple, nice humans. You know what I mean? And what slightly dysfunctional well all our families are my mom listens to this. I can say a lot. Yeah. No dad, dad was, creative. So dad was in bands and stuff. grew up in music studios. He was the head of advertising agencies in Australia. Like Clem is that where this all comes from?
Dad, yeah. Yeah, from dad? Yeah, from mom I just got stubbornness. Me too. So growing up, you're on your own. Did you have siblings? No, I was on my own until my dad remarried and now I have two half brothers. And are they brothers? Yeah, they are brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're brothers. And that was dad's second partner. Okay. And do you get on well with them? Yeah. They're part of your family? Yeah, yeah. My stepmom's kind of like my bestie. that's awesome. That's so good that that happens that way.
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And your brothers, what do they do? Cricket, football, soccer, sports, boy things. Are they little, little fellas? No, no. They're taller than me. They're six foot three. And how old are they? 16 and 18 now. I reckon there's something in the food. My boys are like that too. chickens hormone. Hormones in the chicken. All right, so we leave school. Where do we go next? The real world. Yeah. Uni or real world? I started, I went into uni and I did media.
broadcasts. So TV, radio and PR. But my uni was really good in Melbourne RMIT. It was all practical. So I went straight into an ad agency straight into a radio station. Like it was real world experience. They were kind of like, look, you can, we'll take the fees from you. You can pay the debt, you know, but it was good. It was really real world experience. And so as soon as I got out of there, I went and traveled around South America by myself for like four months at 20 years old or something. wow. Yeah. That would have changed your whole world anyway. Yeah, completely. So when you came back from South America,
Did you get a job? What'd do then? I went straight into, yeah, radio and advertising and experiential and then straight into standup comedy and as a host or as a, what'd you do in radio? Doing like live crosses, street team promotions. okay. That kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. So giving free shit away to people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And how was that working with those sort of people?
Again, real world experience, good fun, you know, on the frontline every day, whether it was the Logies or handing out, you know, drinks at Bunnings, it was like, I got to see a spread of human science society, right? You could see the high celebrity world, you could see the darkness of that, and then you could see the good and then you could see the, I don't know, the worst suburbs in Melbourne, you would be there handing out lollies. So like I got to see frontline humanity, if that makes sense. looking back now that you're obviously a little bit older now than M.B. Weiser, and do you look at that different than you did at the time?
No, not really. Like it was, it's all like a catalyst into all these paths and kind of like that got me started in standup comedy, you know, my own brand. did a couple, a couple of Melbourne international comedy festivals, Adelaide fringe, all of that as J Mac, my character, like myself, but like an amplified version of that. And that led me into a lot like TV hosting, radio hosting, my God, experiential and running my own agency since I was like 18. So it kind of gave me the life experience I needed to do those things. So
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Stand up comedian is supposed to be one of the hardest jobs in the world. And the reason they say that is because people come out and say, you're a comedian. me a joke. Right. But at the same time to, to be able to capture a room of that many people, whether it's one or a thousand doesn't matter and be able to keep them entertained for a period of time is a lot harder than a singer than anyone else because it's just you, you're on your own. And if a
joke goes wrong and people start throwing shit at you, that sort of stuff. How did you find stand up comedy to begin with? Like why? And then also what was the experience like? First of all, therapy. It is therapy, right? So like for me, any art, whether it's music, like doing a song, we're doing a release, we're releasing something emotionally. It's out there, right? Which other people can relate to. Same with comedy. The whole reason comedy is funny is like the tension and the release. It's like,
anything that everybody's all thinking, we just have the balls to say it out loud or we go through an embarrassing experience or have a dodgy dream. You know, we share that and other people laugh. So tragedy is comedy. Comedy is tragedy. And there was only so many years I wanted to play that character in my own life. If that makes sense. was like, okay, this industry is actually quite full of like people really depressed and like really F'd up. And I was just like, cool. That was helpful for my growth for say 10 years. And now like, let's do something else. And then moved into music because it was kind of like,
you speak so many stories out of your own reality and then you can kind of step back and look at those stories or those jokes, you know, and go, cool, that was cool. Now the next phase of my life, you know? But I think having frontline experience as an MC and a host, you know, whether I was MCing for the Essendon footy club at the MCG or whatever I've done over the years, I've had so much crowd work, whether it was 10 people, two people, 100,000.
like nothing fazed me, right? So if you put me in comedy and I bombed, it wasn't the biggest deal, right? Cause I'd been in other situations that had freaked me out before really young. this philosophy in life, I honestly don't give a fuck what other people think about me. And I think it took me a long time to get there. me. But, the thing is, it's what I think is all the matters in that way, right? I took the years of therapy and all that sort of stuff. But I think when you're in those situations, you have to have that sort of same mentality. And I think
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actually comparing comedy to therapy is so real. It's unbelievable that because that is what you're doing, isn't it? Yeah. It's like you're exposing the hidden subconscious psyche of everybody in humanity and you're doing it out loud. But then that also makes you a projection point of a weird like stalkers and of course just people from audiences or social media. And people think that they know you because you're in the public limelight and you're on TV and whatever. It's like, well, my job is just public.
and you're a mechanic, you know, but like there's no difference here. I'm not better than you. there's no hierarchy. There's none of that. Like most of us as well, like, cause I grew up super front facing, we're actually all like introverted, right? But we have an extroverted outlet without doubt. Yeah. But like, get me home after I've been on the stage in front of 50,000 people for me to like rejuvenate myself for five days and I don't want to see anyone, know? Yeah, no, it's so true. then, so during all this time, are we single? Have we got?
Partner, how's that all work? Most of the early years was single because I was just touring so much and I was so focused and busy and then maybe maybe one Brazilian dude I was in love with at one point and then a woman which freaked me out then another dude and then a few women. Why did the woman freak you out? You came out a lesbian remember?
No, but I wasn't out. was just like, is this a thing? yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. The tongue. know. I know. No, it was just an interesting, that was interesting time because that was when my reality was more public in standup comedy, standup comedy. And it was just the industry and a lot of, it was a lot of parties and you know, that kind of industry of whatever. And I saw what that industry and just general entertainment industry and music in the kind of a front facing fame world. was like, I don't want that reality. You know, like there's orgies, there's drugs, there's all these things.
And I'm like, ran nightclubs for five years from 17 to whatever, and just made heaps of cash and didn't even drink or do any of that stuff, you know? and, and just kind of that's my, that was my perspective of the world and kind of how the hierarchy of society works and what people do to get places. like, well, I'm never going to sell myself. So this is not kind of the place for me, you know? And I think I probably had three, four years where I indulged in certain things and I was like, well, there's no fulfillment there. Let's, let's, it's always interesting.
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Tell me to shut up if you don't me to ask these questions. So I've been married for 28 years and I've got four kids and I'm going to call myself a family man. I'm a family man. I go home every night to my wife and that makes me happy. Good. So, and that's awesome. Yeah, I love it. And, the thing to me, it really interests me when I meet people that have loved men and then loved women and then and gone through that, that sort of whole cycle, probably the wrong word, but healing, healing, healing. Let's use that process.
When you first like the first woman was that my sister out. Yeah. Yes and no. Like I've been a tomboy forever. So it wasn't a big surprise, right? But, being so self conscious and so aware of self and like the difference between mother wounding father wounding. It's like, I've never entered any relationship just for fun. It's kind of like, cool. I know what I'm going to work on. And like, are you aware enough to work on that with me? Yes or no. There's no point kind of thing. would always use, relationship as like spiritual growth.
Yeah, so that's kind of how I look at it. Otherwise, it's pointless. now again, if you because of meeting Jesus in my whole reality is flipped the last three years, it's kind of like my things gone from if you met me years ago, where I went to like swingers parties and did all these things in the aim of writing good content for comedy, right and writing a book and doing all this stuff versus now and like how God has kicked my ass into alignment of like, not even sex before marriage and all these things and then
still being with my partner I've been with for six years. That's a woman. But then we both met Jesus. So now we're like, are we meant to have husbands? Is Jesus our husband? Are we allowed to be together? So existential crisis 101. Like literally maybe four weeks after me, she had an encounter as well in her bedroom, but in a different way. So I'm very verbal because I talk a lot and sing for a living. She's a dancer. So she had like a kind of tango partner dance with Jesus. Couldn't see his face. He was too bright as well. But
met him, was he a good dancer? She literally said the best partner dance of her life. And if she never dances with another human again, she's fulfilled. And I was like, okay, yeah, of course. So we're, we're a standup comedian and then we're the singer. Yeah. I did always sing. Yeah. So I grew up in dad's bands. Okay. So yeah, I grew up like that. But in my last, actually in all of my
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stand-up comedy shows, my favorite part of those shows were the funny jokes that I sung. You know, the parodies or whatever I would write. So that was like my funnest part. And I kind of realized after touring for a few years, I'm like, I actually like doing music. I don't like the part where I talk for half an hour in between. I like the songs, right? So then I got picked up with like a local hip hop label in Melbourne and we did my first album. And that was Soul Funk Hip Hop. And what brand? Cause that's the other thing I learned earlier today is that
There's multiple faces, multiple brands, multiple names. Yeah. So I did one single under Justine Jade and then I did an album under Ikigai and then I got like a... Ikigai? It means like your purpose, like something you make money from, something that you enjoy, something that gives others joy fulfillment. It's a Japanese name actually. Yeah. And so I did the first album under that and that was...
seven piece soul funk band. toured rainbow serpent, a bunch of festivals, which was super fun just to work as a group rather than being solo after so much stand up. and then, yeah, then it was making, there was a few singles under making a L I K E I K E N. Yep. And then now, now it's daughter of the son because of this, I've met Jesus. So it's all changed. I get that whole daughter. Yeah, look at me. I'm good at this. so
during all these, these, we were still, we sort of had the Brazilian and then we had the woman and then we, when did we meet the current, let's call it life partner? Is that what we call it? We don't know what we call it. We don't even know if it's a real thing anymore. No, it's still my partner. We met touring actually on Stradbroke Island. were both playing in a music festival. So she was
Dancing? She runs a drumming school, percussion school, Brazilian music school. she's Brazilian? Yeah. You and the Brazilians, South American too, when you were 20. Look, they've always been Latin or black. I haven't, the white thing, doesn't, it's not in my reality. I'm the white one. don't take it away from me.
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It's so funny. It's funny because you're asking me these questions that I don't ask myself about my life. And I'm like, yeah, there's pattern there. Yeah, there is. It's great. We're getting there. I'll tell you all at the end. So it's interesting to me because when you meet people and you meet your soul partner, whatever you want to, whatever, it's how, and then when, and then what goes on and then what we love and what we do. And the thing is it always comes down to you have both have a joint love of something.
that you then live together. Does that make sense? And so with me, it's really interesting that the whole God thing, still don't believe, but anyway, the whole God thing that, like a few weeks later, the same sort of experience, but it's a similar experience. So is that a, you've told her about an experience that then happened to her?
It was no, it no, it was so, it was so intense and so weird because you got to understand for her even flipped her out and me. So you got to understand I was so new age. I mean like crystals and new age language and five D reality and whatever, just my language and how I was and the things I used to be teaching and workshops and that kind of thing, which was part of spiritual ego. Right. And like I go from that one night to I meet Jesus, I wake up the next morning and I literally throw things off the balcony. don't want them in my reality anymore. Yeah. Okay.
And also like I don't want these certain spiritual portals kind of open or tied to any other whatever, you know, I was just like, nah, that's all I need. I'm good. You know? And I kind of shared that with her. was like, you know, let's be celibate for a little bit and I just need time to work this out in process. And so she's like, okay, yeah, me too. Like that sounds good. Like, and then she meets him like four weeks later. So I was like, okay, cool. Is that like the big dogs walked in now? God's walked in and fuck all these other people. Get rid of all the other shit off your balcony. That's me. I'm here now.
Yeah, you found me. Yeah, and that was kind of the process of I would say like removing idols from your heart So it's like you can have things on your heart and you think that you're serving God you think that you're a good person other word for it But then when I really actually analyze myself I was like actually I'm on my own pedestal the relationships on a pedestal my partners on a pedestal all these things actually came in God was like fourth and then I was like actually he's gonna go number one and then everything else can go back a little yeah, it took a while it's interesting because when I went through some therapy and shit and
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people and I was pretty fucked up at one stage and when I got helped it was really funny because he kept talking to me about God and I'm saying fuck off whatever so I'm not even interested but the big thing was I had to put me first. I always put everyone else first and then I put my wife on a pedestal I put my family on the pedestal but they were always first and then when I learned actually it's gonna be me first and then everyone else I'm such a nice person.
It's a self abandonment thing. I was like that too. And obviously you've now stuck the big fella in front of you. But at the same time, yeah, but he's in me. that's what I mean. So it's doing the same sort of thing. Yeah. And that's like my kids, my kids go to a religious school and it just makes me laugh, but they get taught to be good people. So I don't care. That's fine. You can shove God down the throat, whatever they want to do. As long as you become a good human being. That's all I care. And the fact is that you're kind to others.
kindness wins in the end is all the matters. And I just find it interesting. It's we say the same thing in such different ways, but it means the same thing. Yeah, it's still got. it's still got. So your brain has got in mind. No, it's not. It's It's the exact same thing. It's like your comedy. Yeah. I see one way you say another way you sing the way the music, all that sort of stuff. I just find it really, really intriguing about the different perspectives that people have on stuff. is. that that bar say, but I say, and
The thing that blew me away when Jesus rocked up, I got sideswiped if that makes sense. Cause I think that I already knew it. No, like as in I thought I already knew God and I'm like, okay, I do know God in my own, whatever, whatever you call that, whatever I call that. But I didn't have Jesus and that's what freaked me out was God literally audibly telling me, except Jesus and me going, hang on.
the white guy, like what, what, you know, what does that mean? Because in my brain, you ask me like four years ago, would have said, Jesus is the same as Mohammed, the same as like all these story figures over the years. But God was like, no, no, no, like for real, for real. And I'm like, okay. find it interesting. It's the same dude. Yeah. Well it's the spirit, right? Yeah. But, it's like, cause always when everyone was brought up and like whatever at school and I was always, Jesus was the son of God.
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Well, God in flesh, God in human form. But God was never in human form, was he? Jesus. So confusing. But anyway, so now you've collected all these Bibles from all around the world. Do they say the same thing? No, of course, some of them are, you know, because they're by different people. And yeah, they're like the best one is Aramaic because that's the language Jesus actually spoke was Aramaic before it was translated to Hebrew, Greek, English, and all the changes that occurred or things that were walked out. Aramaic, just the language or just the
frequency of it you hear it and you don't need to really understand the English translation you kind of get it on a soul level you know because it's just that's pure what was written for yeah interesting I'm more frequency right because I do music so I hear like I don't need to hear English and I'll understand more you know in the silence or in the tone or in the I'll hear more than if someone actually speaks words so have you has your music changed since that day yeah yeah yeah
Well, cause most of the music's all like calibrated with bad hurts and whatever to make people more stupid in the indoctrination and programming, right? Like, so, A, we changed the tuning frequency, you know, in the hurts and stuff like that. And then you can put in, you know, subliminal either subliminal messages that are positive or, what do want to call it? Certain brain waves that help people in terms of their heart or their brain or whatever, because most of the subliminal messaging in mainstream music is demonic or it's like, like Beyonce and all these guys, it's literally
really dodgy stuff that's getting, yeah, let's not go there. Let's not go there. But it's just like, that's the industry. then, you know, and they're the ones that blow up and that's, that's the demonic industry of music. But like, of course me as a good human, changes, you know, over the years. And now of course it's going to have a different frequency because it's, you know, you've got some Holy spirit in there. with all that, what's your thoughts on money? It's great. We need it.
Money sits under our feet. Yeah. We sit under God and then we sit on top of money and we need money to do good work. Man. That's fine. That's good. I thought we'll go somewhere wrong. five years ago, you're in the, in the real world, you're, you're sitting there, you're making some cash, you're doing all that sort of stuff. And then someone comes up to you and go, Hey, you should get into crypto. you're saying, what the fuck is that all about? And you're not, I'm going to say, I'm going to, it's a different type of believer. Let's, let's go that way.
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And you sit in there going, what's this all about? And then you start to learn and you start to understand web three. You start to understand all these sorts of stuff. Take me through that experience. Yeah. So I would say that, to crypto. Yeah. Well, it's not so much that then sovereignty and like decentralization. So like usually.
how long I switched phones years ago and stuff to a decentralized phone that has its own kind of crypto ledger system in it as a hardware. So it's not an iPhone, not an Android. So like instead of my phone sitting there and hearing us talk and then showing me on Instagram, exactly. Like it doesn't do that stuff. Right. So I started like just shifting tech, changing laptops, changing files. And you know, once you realize like Google is the Freemason symbols and all that kind of stuff being like, cool, I want to be away from all these systems. And it just kind of started as a sovereignty walk.
in every aspect from tech to hardware to financials to, you know, what is money, you know, what is it actually? know, so my brain kind of went that way and I went from someone that didn't have a clue about trading or finances or really anything other than have a savings account and you know, the basic stuff, then I got super interested in, okay, trusts, holding companies, layouts, offshores, like what do we do? How do we actually do this? What are the billionaires doing? And then my brain went down that avenue. And I would say that
getting involved in NFTs and like say losing money or learning how to trade and losing money and taking action by doing, then you learn how to win as well. Right. So, but it was definitely by losing at the start. but my most, the thing I'm most interested in is not necessarily crypto, right. Or, cause I'm still like decentralization is decentralization. tell me what you think, because I don't know if like crypto is
truly going into decentralization or if we're all just pointing ourselves because the powers that be want to move everyone to a cashless system anyway. Do you think there's still going to be true decentralization and humans will keep building faster than the rough styles of the world? Or do you think that we kind of cornered ourselves in cashless system? Yeah, cash is king and love cash. But at the same time, there's the momentum's too big. You're not going to stop it. It's going to be one of those things that
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cash will be seen as dirty in the future. I honestly think that decentralization will be a bigger thing. And but I never think it'll be 60 40 that way. It'll be 4060. That's my opinion on it. We're moving that way now and have been for years. But at the same time is that people still listen to stupid shit. There's an election happening.
There's two elections happening at the moment, one in the US and one here in Queensland. This weekend there's the Queensland election. Thanks for telling me. But the really interesting thing is, this is how stupid people are, is the fact that in the US a big part of the election over there was about abortion and women's rights. In Australia, not really been an issue, it's all been passed and everyone's sort of singing Kumbaya.
But then one of the politicians threw it at the other one and said, well, you didn't support this in 2018. So now the whole election's been about the fact that this poor bastard doesn't like women's rights. And they've just gone on with it and gone on with it. And he sat there going, that's not true. Wow. I didn't even know there was a thing in Australia But it's hilarious because it's exactly what we're talking about. Like the momentum that the media has been able to create. Look in the US now, like overnight, Camilla Harris.
was seen in a Diddy party years ago and now that's the biggest news. And the fact is she's probably never been to one, but at the same time is someone said it. no, she definitely has. She definitely has. I saw a video yesterday. But the big thing is it's the media and all the stuff. as you say, though, the Roth trolls of the world, the Kabbalah or whatever you want to call them, but they're the ones because they have that pull on the people. That's why it'll never happen. Yeah. Well, it's, funny. Like I don't even know.
I was talking about this to someone before saying, we don't know that there's even elections happening in Australia, right? Cause I don't live here anymore. But I'm assuming if I'm on the country, in the country, when there's an election, I probably have to vote, right? You're telling me you're Queenslander. I don't even know what I am anymore because of where I live everywhere. So I don't know. It depends where you are. Global citizen. Yes. I have no idea how that even works. But the funny thing is you'll get fined to what address?
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Send it to my home. That's what I mean. So many people like in my world, not just in artists and crypto web three, everybody is a global citizen. everybody lives in lots of countries, you know, everybody like obviously still pays tax in whatever country in jurisdiction, like everyone's doing it properly. But how, how do you determine where your basis, if you have multiple bases and then how, for example, if you're telling me there's a election in Queensland,
Do they have a central website that has all the candidates and you can look at them and just check their policies and like compare them like you would compare a Sony to a. No, you get to watch three debates and then you get to the electoral day and some woman that has no idea gives you a pamphlet and say vote this way. That doesn't work. They need to be like Tekken 3 and you choose your fighter, know, like one website policy like abortion, no abortion, vaccines, no vaccines. Just at their ticks and crosses and they go, yeah, she looks all right because no one is.
No, and also that's the issue. No one's involved in the system because it's so corrupt anyway. Your vote's not going to make a difference.
You're to vote for the sex party or the pirate party or the whatever. I don't even know what they are in Australia these days. I'm sure. probably right. There will be one. Make Weed Legal is the party. Who knows what they are. But then that's an issue because then you've got like, I don't know, it's just the whole system's F'd and there's no sovereignty in that anyway when you really know that Australia is not even a country. So we won't go there. We could. That'd be fun. Registered in Dizzy. Exactly. But really interestingly, so when you've decentralized and now you live
So your home is now in Mexico? Well, technically. You think? Well, I don't know. Like it was, if you asked me a year ago, but now I'm here. So like I'm such a present person. Like I am where I am. it's just, yeah. But do you have, where's your pillow? Right now it's at a friend's house, but. But do you carry a pillow with you? No, no. It's kind of like Jesus. You go from place to place. Share the gospel, keep moving. Can I make you a shirt with that on it? Jesus is my You totally can. I'll wear it.
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I mentioned at the start of this that you met Haley my friend in Coachella. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Such a good, good vibe. How the fuck does a little girl from Adelaide get to play gig at Coachella? Well, I actually went, this is hilarious. So after my Jesus experience, we'll call it. I was like, I need to have someone that can teach me that's not.
churchy who actually understands this in a deeper way. I'm like, and I prayed for an African. I'm like, someone give me an African teacher to translate that's deeper, you know? And there's a, there's a prophet who's Kenyan Congolese in LA. And I was like, I want to fly out there because I've been praying with these guys for three, four years doing a fast and whatever I've been learning with this prophetic training. I flew there literally wasn't going for a three day trip. God opened some doors. went to a Bitcoin event, someone else opened some doors and then they were like, we need you to play at Coachella. And it was actually,
because they said, Hey, it's such a dark kind of place with the music being whatever demonic in that we need some light. Like we need some Jesus. We need some Christ come and play. And so it was out of nowhere. And it was like, well, here's your backup dancers. Here's your media team, like get an outfit. And then I was in the desert, you know? So it was so quick. was so, so quick. you obviously just go with it because that's what you do. Yeah. Because I have sets ready. I'm a musician tour. That's, fine. it's like,
Yeah, it was cool. But it was like the web three part of Coachella. it was like music and then visual screens showing our NFT art, you know? So it was the web three version. That's so cool. And Haley was there and like literally she was in the audience vibing and whatever. And then afterwards I just jumped down and talked to everyone because it was like an intimate VIP kind of side of that. You know, it wasn't the masses. Can't do the masses.
I don't like people. And Haley was there and she was just like, I've got this travel company startup bubble and this and that. And I'm like, yeah, let's take it to Mexico. Let's do this. Let's do that. And I was just keen to like get to know what she was doing and we've stayed in touch. So I love it. I love what she's doing actually. Yeah, she's doing a great job. I just find it interesting how people meet people.
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And people may reason. And stay in touch. And then like, and like if there's gossip or who does this, does this person pay their bills and like doing due diligence, you know, around the networks and like, and me and Haley have stayed in touch and just helped each other make good decisions, you know. And that's what it's all about. Yeah. It's funny because she messaged me and said, I've, she's, I've set her up for dinner in, in San Fran with a mate of mine who's over there on a startup tour and he owns a VC firm and stuff.
And so what I did, he was actually my first ever guest on this podcast. Aaron Burkby does it's really weird, but I said to her, look, there's a spare seat. I put her in and said, look, you gotta go to this thing. So she said, I got to see, but because you did this for me, I'll do this for you. And I went, stop. I don't do things to get repaid. That's not what I do. She said, no, no, you just have to meet this chick. And I've gone, I'm happy to do that. That's not an issue. And then obviously it's the movie premiere this week. Yeah. You're coming down. What's that? How did that happen?
It's my mate's movie. He's an amazing film director and actor Australian. he's a friend of yours. Yeah. Yeah. Mack Linden. He's a legend. His first movie rise was epic over 30 million streams. Very popular with Martin Sachs and all the guys from blue heel is big cast. Why, why was it so good or big or why? it's a true story about him getting incarcerated for a rape case and then letting getting let out because he was innocent years later. So it was like a controversial. And that happened here in Australia. Yeah. Yeah. In Queensland.
And so that movie blew up and then, know, this second film is the sequel about how he then had to transform his life because his name got ruined. He couldn't be a nurse anymore. And then how he becomes a big movie director in Hollywood, works with Anthony Hopkins, the Hemsworth brothers, all that. And now like the second movie is literally about his life, you know? That's so cool. Yeah, super cool. And then he has another thing coming out. And how did you meet him?
Just in the, the film industry. actually we met, I had a gig one night in Byron. Yeah. Yeah. In Byron, we had a reggae night or something around Woodford. I think I was on tour and I finished and I was in the crowd with some Brazilians. There you go. And, and he popped up in the crowd. He's like, we're here actually scouting for talent. I'm here with Hemsworth and this guy and that guy they're in undercover hats. So no one flags. And I'm like, I don't even know who these people are. So I don't care. Like, I'm not going to fan girl. It's fine. But he was just a legend and we got along.
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And he's just like, I'm in the industry and let's stay in touch. And then we've literally stayed in touch over like, I don't know, seven, eight years. That's so his family. And so the movie, this it's a, it's a premiere event. Yeah. And you're doing the PR. Yeah. I'm helping run the whole, the shebang. You're the boss. Yeah. I reckon you just come in and took over. Is that what happened? Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. We're getting a head nod. That's what it was. And what, and you're expecting many people there. Yeah. About a thousand. wow. Yeah.
That's gonna be cool. It's gonna be epic. And his whole family is coming, all his kids, it's family friendly. It's gonna be, it's gonna be, it's it's an underdog story, right? Yeah. I'm sure you've got one. I got lots. Right? Like, and I just love that. That for me, that's what I've missed about Australia in being away. Like I've missed Vegemite, the nature, and then like the underdog kind of, I would say grit of Aussies. Like what I don't miss is the tall poppy kind of thing. I can't stand that in Australia, but I do like the underdog stories of Australia. So I feel like,
All the right people are going to show up for this film. You know, it's not, you've got your glitz and your glamor because that's what it is. It's a red carpet, right? And it's at the casino. But you've also got the underdogs that you need to invite because that's the true humans. Like who really cares about the, the, the front facing glitz and glamor, know, you, who you want to invite the people that have got their own story of struggle and overcome. So the main thing is the feeling like have the right people there. That's so cool. I'm looking so forward to that. Okay. So now here's the formal part of the interview. What's your greatest achievement in life?
Man, that's a hard question. That's why I'm here. I'm the hard questioner. Greatest achievement. yeah, just staying pure-blooded, I would say. That's good. Yeah, staying human. Staying human. Staying human with all that's thrown at all of us and the programming of the world. would say staying true and on the path of...
I say God, can say whatever you want. Honestly, there's too many things. Like I think if you, you know, if we talk about external things, you know, I've written a book, I've made a documentary with elders in the desert in Australia, like I've done TV, I've done film, I've done comedy, I've done all those things. I thought you would have said winners and losers personally. That was like, I was a DJ on there or something. That was nothing. wasn't great show. I think I did get our neighbors. I got, I've done every
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background thing you could do, you know, when I was young. That's how you start when you're 18. You do. You do. did the clear assault commercial when I was 16. look, you're still famous from it. very much so. Who is the person or the people who had the most influence on your career? my gosh. You know what's so funny? Like John Farnham. I was obsessed. I was obsessed with John Farnham as a child. I don't know what it was, but I even, played a gig at Falls.
just before I went to Mexico, so three, four years ago, I played a gig at falls and John Farnham was on the other stage, you know? So I saw him again and I'm like, this is kind of full circle, right? Cause I learned entertainment value from him when I was really young and I would write him letters. would send cards like full fan girl of John Farnham and like Tina arena, know, love Tina arena, like the showmanship and then the audience interaction and how to carry yourself on stage. Like that's kind of who I am you later when I was younger for sure. you play John Farnham songs.
your sets just to throw it out there? Not anymore. Remix of your voice with that Begay Beaton stuff. That would be awesome. For the Aussie crowd. That's really interesting. would never have picked one. Who is the person that seems to have loved personally the most? God, that's a hard one too. I've had so many lives as well. Yeah, but I feel like I'm like a little like, like a black shape, know, like kind of like
not a strong family unit, very dysfunctional. You know what I mean? Like, so I always had really good teachers. I'd say growing up, I had really good teachers. I'm still in contact with these days from even high school, primary school. They had good influences on my life. And then like mainly my grandparents, they were more my parents. So my grandpa was really good in sales and like a hilarious showman would chuck a chick's dress on at the YMCA and do a song fashion show. Like just a funny bastard, know, like super funny. they still alive? Grandpa's passed on, but grandma's still alive. Is she still funny?
Yeah, she's pretty funny. Yeah, she put up with him. Yeah, that's amazing. she's patient. Super Aussie, super Aussie, like very country kind of people from Adelaide. So they personally, yeah, That's so cool. Quick fire questions. Favorite food? like an apple. You mean like a whole meal or just like a mono food? I get to pick a food. What are we gonna eat? I like fruit. I like fruit. Never heard that before. Favorite song?
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Don't have one. You have to. One song. One song. But when you're an artist, like you don't really listen to everyone else because there's melodies in your own head. your head that that is it? You're the voice by John Farn. No, no, it's probably my own. Like that's what I mean. Which one? At the moment, Got That Holy Spirit because it's on my head and repeat because we've been recording. Got That Holy Spirit. Yeah. By who? By Daughter of the Sun. Sorry, just had to check the name. S-O-N. S-O-N. Favourite place in the world.
That's another hard one. My gosh, these are meant to be quick fire questions. They're taking me longer than the other one. never a quick fire. Favorite place in the world. I would actually say, nature wise, I'm going to say Austinville out here. really? It's a beautiful place. It's so amazing. Could you live there though? if I had a private plane in and out to other countries, yeah. Yeah. I just can't be in one place ever. That's not my, it's not my thing. I have to keep moving. Have to keep moving. Yeah. I need a base though. I do need a base.
Are you going to get a base? have one. Mexico is the base. That's the best. Yeah. Okay. What's next? I don't know. I'm here with you. That's how present I am. I'm kind of someone that I will plan as much as I kind of can. And I'll do things like, you know, contracts and finances and tours and whatever, but I am like, God's better than me. So if I make the plans, they're not going to do so well. But if I kind of leave it up to God to direct me, this is another opportunity. This door is open. This is the person you need to speak to and flow that way.
My life works 10 times better. So your God is my gut. Yeah, me too. It's just God's in me, right? God's in you. Yeah. Well, as far as I'm concerned, JJ, you're an awesome human. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you, sir. You're an awesome human.