Apply Now: The Higher Ed Marketing Podcast


A successful higher education landing page needs F.O.C.U.S (and we recommend you go back and listen to episode 2 if you don’t know what that stands for!).  In this episode, Chris and Julia draw parallels between their family vacations and higher education marketing, as well as dive into a study conducted by the team at Vital which analyzed 50 higher education paid landing pages to identify what’s working and what’s not. Did you know only 16% of higher education landing pages mention tuition? That’s a pretty important decision factor… Listen to the episode for more stats like that! 

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Yesterday’s theories no longer apply in today’s higher education marketing reality. You need practical strategies you can use now — whether you’re up against demographic shifts, rising competition, shrinking budgets, federal student aid decreases, rapidly changing prospective student behaviors, or all of the above. Our hosts from VitalEDU break down everything from innovative paid ad strategies to creative approaches to stopping the scroll and boosting conversions. You’ll come away from each episode with at least one practical change you can implement immediately to drive results, or your money back. Just kidding, it’s free. (And it works.)

This is huge. Yeah.

Tuition is mentioned on 16

percent of pages. That's it.

Welcome to Apply Now,

the podcast where higher

education marketers

explore strategies and insights

they can put to work today.

Each week, we cover everything

from innovative

approaches to paid media,

to the ways to reach the right

students more effectively,

so you can make smarter

marketing decisions and drive

measurable results.

Hi, Chris.

Hey.

We haven't seen each other.

For a whole week.

How's it going?

Awesome. You and I are both

just back from vacation.

Yes. How was your break?

It was great. Just hung out on

the beach for a week.

Okay.

Lots of family and just boogie

board and walking the beach.

Boogie board.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, kids.

You on boogie board?

Yeah.

Nice.

Absolutely. Yeah. I was out

there with all the kids and

cousins and stuff.

Would you say you had control

over your boogie board?

I almost got taken

out by a gentleman,

probably even a little older

than you at Short Sands Beach.

I was like, "This, you

shouldn't be riding it if you

can't control it."

I felt like I could

control it very well.

Okay.

Yeah. I could turn on it.

Also, you can just bail before

you hit somebody.

Exactly.

You need to.

Exactly.

I feel like last year,

there was an air conditioning

debacle in the house.

Were ACs being moved around or

were there not enough?

Yeah. All of those.

Yeah. Normal beach house fun.

Okay.

Does this even have AC and

who's bringing one

and moving around?

Yeah. ACs at a premium at a

beach house for you,

cramming four families.

Were you covered or no?

This year we were.

Nice.

This year we were.

Yeah. We were

all set this year.

Made the cut.

Yeah. Your vacation,

we talked about this

on the last podcast.

We and I flipped and you're

doing the very different thing

than you've ever done.

I'm doing the

thing I always did.

Same beach house, same beach,

doing it for 20

years, very normal.

You flipped it and said,

"We're going to do something

completely different."

Yes.

How did your

grand experiment go?

I convinced 22 people to come

to Portsmouth and Kittery.

People were here

for eight days total,

which was a very long time and

it went so well.

The Google Doc itinerary,

we hit it beat for beat.

People were referencing it.

People like uncles who I didn't

think even knew how Google Docs

worked were like,

"Hey, I saw Bullet 12 of the

Google Doc and I was

so happy about that."

All right. It worked.

Yes.

That's awesome.

You did a lot of prep for that.

A lot of prep completely worked

and it was so worth it.

But I texted you Friday of our

vacations and I

gave you a homework assignment

for this recording

today and I said,

"Your goal is to tell me

something that happened on

your family vacation and tie it

back to higher

education marketing."

Right. I know.

That's a challenging homework

assignment for sure.

You have to answer this too.

Yes.

You'll go second?

Yeah.

All right. What I noticed or

the lesson or the trend that I

was able to pull back,

was just build how change

happens and how

adopting change happens.

The story

essentially is like two,

three years ago on the beach

started noticing people

using what are called cabanas

instead of umbrellas.

Okay.

I'm not familiar with this.

I'm not.

It's like I know a sunshade is

that different.

I don't know

what a sunshade is.

Okay.

Well, I think so cabana is

basically square.

Okay.

It's a bigger, it's basically a

bigger umbrella.

It's square but then it has

four legs that come off the

ends of it that make it feel

like cabana-ish.

But those four legs you

actually fill with sand and it

anchors it down.

It's actually a

lot more stable.

So like two, three years ago,

I started seeing those pop up.

Before that, it's like an

umbrella beach.

So then you start seeing the

cool cabanas pop up.

That's the brand name.

Yeah.

Oh, oh, oh.

That's the brand name.

Cool Cabana.

Cool Cabanas is the brand name.

That's like the high-end brand.

Anyhow, start

seeing those pop up.

I'm like, that's odd.

It sticks out just because you

haven't seen them before.

And the next year, a couple

more next year, this year,

tipping point, all of them.

Cool Cabanas, wall to wall.

Wall to wall Cabanas.

The umbrellas are now the

exception and

Cabanas are everywhere.

And so I think it was just

interesting to watch how that

happened because

there's always this,

people talking about the idea

of change and how

does change happen.

And especially like running a

marketing agency or running

marketing for anybody,

it's like change happens

gradually, then suddenly.

It's happening slowly.

And then one day you turn

around and boom, it's there.

And it feels like, wow, that

happened all at once.

And so if I took a couple of

years off and I

just went to the beach,

I'd be like, wow, overnight,

everyone flipped to Cabanas.

They didn't.

It was happening gradually.

And then it tipped.

And the tipping part is

actually, if I want

to bring even more,

is the social proof part of it.

You start seeing more social

proof out there.

Okay.

My neighbor's using these.

Everyone else is using these.

I guess I'm going to use these.

These seem good.

And the social proof tips it.

Anyhow, it's the same thing

that happens in

marketing where like,

some people are starting to do,

let's say, answer

engine optimization.

They're starting to optimize

for search

engines or not search,

or they're starting to optimize

for LLMs and AI search engines

and things like that.

Eventually, that'll tip and

that'll become

everyone's doing it.

Right now is the kind of

beginning where one or two

people are doing it.

That's interesting.

I wonder how that will go.

We can tell you how

that's going to go.

It'll tip eventually.

So that was my kind of like

looking up and down the beach

and being like,

that's interesting.

These showed up and they were

never here before.

And it feels like overnight,

but it definitely wasn't.

So that's mine.

What was yours?

Chris, first of

all, that was so good.

And I think you

did better than me.

But I'm going to try to tell it

with the eloquence

that you just did.

I was thinking about, I was

really nervous to

plan the whole trip.

So I am the youngest

cousin of the family.

And so my role in the family is

not typically like organizer.

I am the baby.

There are dozens of people

above me who I would defer to

decision making more.

So it's not my typical role.

And I was very scared to make

decisions for 20

adults and a couple babies.

And I was really scared of

stepping on toes.

And so I tried to plan enough

and then leave some

small openings for

decisions as we go.

So there was a night where it

was like, hey, we

have dinner tonight.

There's two options.

Here are the two options.

Let me explain to you the pros

and cons of both of those.

And again, all the while I'm

very nervous inside my head.

Every time I am sending a

message to the group update,

letting people know what the

next plan is or what the next

options for plan are.

I'm like, okay, this is going

to be the one

where it blows up.

And I was sitting on the beach,

one of my cousins, and she

looked at me and was

like, this has been the easiest

family vacation.

There has been no

tension or fighting.

I think maybe one person should

always just decide

everything for us.

And so I was thinking everybody

wanted all of the choices to

build their own

fun, exciting Portsmouth summer

adventure, but

really people just wanted

an awesome adventure and they

didn't actually want

that much choice in it.

And so that got me thinking

about higher ed marketing of

how there are so

many things to explore and

investigate and uncover.

And there's info sessions and

there's program brochures and

there's blog posts

and there's the degree page and

there's faculty bios.

There are all of these things.

And so how can we try to

actually sometimes limit

people's choices so

they don't just get totally

overwhelmed and burnt out by

the number of choices.

And so I was thinking about

lead nurturing and nurturing

prospective students

through both email and texting

more and more so.

I feel like there's the

inclination to like, okay, we

got their info.

We got them, we're emailing

them, like let's put it all in.

Like who knows what's going to

be interesting to them.

Let's link to the degree page.

Let's send them

scholarship options.

We definitely want to

plug this YouTube video.

And then that can just be like

burnout overwhelm.

I don't know what to do.

And so just distilling things

as much as possible into this

is the one action I

want you to take.

This is the one thing I want

you to focus on.

I've done all the

choosing for you.

I've eliminated the friction.

This is your journey today.

And that's my time.

I love that.

That's great.

Okay.

All right.

Less choice.

Yes.

Less choice

makes people happier.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Yeah.

No, here.

I mean, I think there's

actually a lot of

studies that show that.

Yeah.

And also you went to you

actually use the tension ratio,

which we talked about on

the last podcast of how many

things do I want people to do

versus how many things

am I going to ask

them to look at?

Tell me what to do.

Which is a perfect segue.

So we stopped recording our

last episode and we sit up and

we said next episode

is landing pages part two, like

there is way too much

for us to talk about.

Um, so I think

we're going to start.

We'll do a quick recap of

landing pages, part one.

So the last episode we recorded

just to kind of set the scene.

And then you have a proprietary

study that you're

going to walk me through.

I do.

Um, so Chris, I came up with,

um, an acrostic for us last

episode to describe

what all landing pages need.

Do you want to say

it for the audience?

Oh, sure.

I would love to.

Yeah.

Focus.

Focus is the acrostic, which is

also a new word I learned.

Acrostic.

I know.

And it's the A is

attached to the word.

It is N acrostic.

It's not a cross stick.

Why can't it just be acrostic?

Um, I think that's different.

That's like NASA.

Oh, okay.

Cause they stand for, okay.

Yeah.

All right.

I don't know.

It's forwards and backwards.

All right.

Um, but focus, which is what we

need right now as well.

Um, so the F in focus

is first impression.

And this is the one that's

probably the one I am most

passionate about

of all of our focus letters.

Um, we want the page to be a

direct one-to-one

match to the user's query.

Um, everybody has had the

feeling of even just clicking

on a regular blue

surf link, um, and looking at

that title tag and

then seeing the H one and

feeling a mismatch and being

like, I was just lied to.

Um, and the same thing goes for

paid landing pages.

We want that query to exactly

match what the headline and

what the kind of first

couple words are on that page

so that it feels

like a true match.

Um, and we talked a little bit

about landing

page quality score.

So that's a Google ads metric,

um, where your

landing pages are

evaluated against your keywords

and they give you

a grade of if they

think it's a good match or not.

So that's F.

All right.

Awesome.

So the second one, uh,

letter O is for offer.

And so that has to do with once

I get onto the landing page,

what is the offer?

What am I promoting?

What is, what is the action I

want people to take

on a landing page?

And we had talked before about

attention ratio being very

important in this

scenario where, um, of all the

things I'm going to ask

somebody to do, how many

other things am I also wanting?

Like if I have a goal and it's

to get them to fill out the

form, I'm asking them

to do like 25 other things.

And so offer is, do

I have a good offer?

And ideally is that the only

offer on the page?

Because it can get real

confusing when like, I have

four offers on the page.

Like, how do I even build a

page to push towards four

different, different

goals, four different things.

So the offer is important in

that I only want to have one on

the page, but also.

What is it?

Is it RFI?

Is it apply now?

Is it talk to an

enrollment advisor?

Is it request transcript?

Like there are so many

different offers I could go

with what's the offer.

And then did I build the page

around pushing

to that one offer?

So that's the second one.

I also have the third one,

which is C for credibility.

And so here is where we can get

into like all the social proof.

Like if I'm trying to show for

my program that this is a

respected program that is

trusted by others ahead of me,

then I want to be able to show

things like testimonials.

I want to be able to show

things like for graduate

degrees, like

salary info or like

companies that hire graduates

out of this program.

Essentially social proof is a

risk reduction metric

or not metric, but a

risk reduction element where,

Hey, I haven't done this

program before.

I might not know anyone who's

been through this program.

I'm going to need to spend a

bunch of money on it.

Feels like a big

step feels risky to me.

What from social proof could I

put on this page to reduce my

perceived risk?

Like, Oh wow.

Look at all the people.

Look at all these happy alumni.

Look at all the, look how high

their salaries are.

Look how many awesome companies

hire people from this program.

Okay.

Now I can exhale a little bit.

Okay.

This doesn't feel as risky.

Um, I have a lot more

credibility there,

show a lot more evidence.

So that's,

that's a credibility.

And I want to just interject

quickly the whole risk

reduction thing.

That's actually, I feel like

not language that

I've heard, um, used even

internally around social proof.

And I just really liked that

because yeah, once you explain

it like that of like this

huge price tag, and

that's a big risk.

And then the social proof

allows me to just kind of

slowly chip away at that

risk because I'm like, okay,

somebody else has

vetted it for me.

That was just a

quick interjection.

I do not hear people talk about

risk reduction when

they talk about social

proof and I like

that you did that.

Awesome.

All right.

You're up next.

Okay.

We're on our you in

focus user centered copy.

Um, I think this

one's super important too.

So focusing on user benefits

rather than

university attributes.

So I think it's, this is

definitely geared

more towards graduate.

I think when we made this point

in the last

episode, we're talking

about undergraduate university

attributes are

super important dining

hall dorm sports, but when

we're talking about graduate

marketing, um, which

is what we're talking about, we

want to focus on

the user benefits.

So it's really cool if you have

faculty that, you

know, have all of these

credits and are very esteemed

or these really

niche courses or services

available to you, but really

what somebody is buying is a

better future for themselves.

So they are paying

for, um, a promotion.

They are paying for an

increased salary.

They are paying for some kind

of big

transformation in their life.

So focusing on those user

benefits, what somebody's going

to get out of the

degree rather than what the

university has to offer.

And then the last one are S to

bring it home is simple design.

Um, so no main navigation, you

can have some on-page

navigation, which I

know we're going

to get to today.

Um, but no main navigation, no

footer, no exit points.

We have just, again, paid for

somebody to land on this page.

We do not want to make it easy

for them to exit the page.

Um, the goal, like you talked

about with offer is

to get them to submit

a form and to take a next step.

So simple design, that's focus.

That's our recap.

And now we're going to get into

a study that Chris, you were a

part of here at

vital and I am just going to

listen and be a

student of the study now.

Yeah.

I think this was

really exciting.

So, um, vital did a study

specifically, uh, who headed up

was, uh, Marissa

Como, who is our, our manager

of our writing department.

And she did a deep dive into

analyzing 50 different graduate

program landing pages.

So, uh, she analyzed them

across, uh, I think 15 plus

different attributes to

see what do they

have in common?

What do they not

have in common?

Where are they strong?

Where are they weak to see if

we could come up with a report

that says, okay,

kind of the state of graduate

landing pages is this.

I love this.

And so this is, so I'm going to

go over several different

statistics that we

came out of the study with

being like, okay, this is where

graduate programs

get it right.

This is where they

miss in a big way.

And this is how

they could improve.

Cool.

So, uh, the first thing we'll

kind of ease into this was

just, were they

even using landing pages?

So that's the first question.

And so that gets answered

generally if there's a main

navigation or not.

So the study found that 74% of

pages do remove

the main navigation.

So they're using a

landing page of some sort.

So that's great.

So that that's a

positive thing.

So majority of graduate

programs are using landing

pages, uh, which just

means they've removed the exit

points and there's

no main navigation.

So landing pages are airports

because landing

pages are airports,

but we have to

explain it again.

Yes.

So the landing page, um, we

want it to be an airport.

We want people to arrive and

immediately just be ushered

forward to where they

want to go.

We want web

pages to be museums.

We want people to land.

We want them to look in all

directions and decide what path

serves the best

love it pump to

bring that back.

It is.

Yeah, it's good.

Yeah.

But that that's why.

So again, if you remove a lot

navigation, you are

constricting their

ability to navigate elsewhere,

which means we get to focus

them on our page,

focus them on the offer, focus

them airport style.

Okay.

Check 74%.

That feels pretty good.

Yeah.

Doing good.

So like that's the start of it.

We're doing, we're doing, we're

generally, we're all

using the best practice

of a landing page.

We can all exhale a little bit

because man, if

they weren't, we'd be

even in such a worse spot.

Um, but then the next part that

we looked at was do any of them

use any internal

navigation?

So we would call this like

anchor navigation that would

jump you up and

down the page, because what we

did find is a lot of these

landing pages were

pretty long.

There's no way to

navigate that page.

You just have to scroll it and

scroll up and

down the whole time.

Now in your head, okay, it's a

long landing page.

Now think of it as a

mobile landing page.

It is even longer and you have

no way to give that visitor a

way to understand

what's on the page and a way to

get up and down the page.

And from our heat

maps, we know that.

If we don't give them anchor

navigations, they

don't scroll very far down.

Um, and so for us, that's a

miss because 88% of pages don't

include an internal

navigation.

So why majority have no way to

move up and down long landing

pages, some landing

pages that might not be

necessary because they are so

short, but, um, with what we

were seeing here, a lot of them

were longer and most of them

were missing that.

For the listener, Chris is

playing it cool, but he is

obsessed with internal

navigations on landing pages.

I am sitting here smirking

cause I'm like, wow, he's not

really driving this

home as hard as I expected.

Chris loves popping up a

paperclip landing page in a

meeting and being like,

look at this internal nav.

It's like a microsite and you

click around and it's so good.

So yes, you just did a very

good job delivering that.

So the other reason that I love

them is because when we run the

heat maps on the

landing pages, we can see of

the options in the, in the

navigation, what people

were most interested in.

And so if we break it up and

let me say like, Hey, program

overview, tuition,

financial aid, you know,

faculty, alumni, like whatever

we're going to have on that

landing page, I can then go in

and see which of those they

clicked on the most.

And then I can go back and

revise the page.

If I have, let's see, five

different sections on my

landing page, and I can

put all of those in

my, uh, my anchor nav.

I can then quickly see when

they come, when they land on

the top of the page,

which ones they

click immediately.

So that also gives me a lot of

Intel to then go back and

revise the page and say,

this never gets clicked.

No one cares about

whatever this topic is.

Let's get it out of here.

Replace it with a topic.

We know they, that we could at

least test that

they care about.

So I think it gives

us a lot more data too.

It's better for the user

because they get to just get to

exactly what they want and

hop up and down.

It also gives them a

preview of the page.

Like again, I don't

have a lot of time.

I'm not going to

scan this entire thing.

This tells me what's on it and

I can just go to

write what I care about.

I also, I might be going way

too deep in it, but it gives

the user the illusion

of a choice because they are,

they're choosing what section

they want to look at.

We're just bringing them

further down the page, but I do

think it's kind of like

it's empowering, it's buying

them into

engaging with the page.

Again, that's going so deep,

but it's a

different experience.

Just land on a page and scroll

versus landing on a page and

making an active

choice to click on a

navigation, which everyone's

familiar with using, and then

jump down to

exactly what serves you.

So internal naps.

Like it.

The next thing, and this is

very specific to graduate

programs, is program

details are generally missing

on these landing pages.

So there'll be kind of high

level landing pages.

They'll say, Hey, overview of

the programs about this.

And maybe they mentioned some

awards or some social proof.

Well, we'll have some stats on

that later too.

But they generally don't talk

about what we would consider

very critical need to

know information for someone to

want to make a decision about

even considering

this graduate program.

And so the first thing that we

saw is missing is

that program length.

Okay.

Telling the visitor on the page

about program length.

How long is this grad is the

graduate program?

Yeah.

It matters to me

how long is this?

Is it a one year program?

Really?

Two years.

Is it like, I need to know that

this is part of like in my

brain where I'm trying

to decide is

this for me or not?

And it doesn't tell

me how long it is.

It's just going to leave a box

unchecked in my brain.

And that's not good because

that's perceived risk.

That's ambiguity, right?

I don't know how long it is.

Okay.

So 52%.

So program length is

listed on 52% of pages.

So basically 50 50 coin flip.

If you're going to be a visitor

on that page and learn how long

the program is.

Can you just like make a guess

at why you think

it's getting left off?

Cause that just seems crazy.

Cause I think every degree

program page for the most part

has program length on it.

That just seems like such a

table stakes detail to have.

Why do you think

that's missing?

Um, my guess a lot of the time

is that universities

write pages from the

university perspective first

versus the user

perspective first.

And in their heads, they

already know that they know the

program length and all

their programs are that length.

And so it's kind of

like an assumption.

It's not the most

empathetic approach.

You're not taking it from the

approach of the visitor to the

page, but you're

like, all my programs are this

like, I would never

think to, to, to tell

people about that part of it.

I actually just had

this quick tangent.

Um, we're proposing a redesign

of a university's

degree pages to include the

kind of quick facts box or at a

glance bar that we're

accustomed to seeing on,

um, degree pages.

And this actually

just jogged the memory.

They were like, are you sure we

need to have program duration?

Isn't it going to be

kind of repetitive?

Like they're all

going to say two years.

And I was like, yeah, no, you

need to have program duration.

That's repetitive to you, but I

might be landing on the page

and just looking

at this one degree.

And so that's my only time

where I'm finding it out.

So anyway, yes, I think you're

actually totally spot

on with that answer.

I was very curious what you

would say, but I do think,

yeah, people just

think it's a no brainer given.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that that's, that's the

trap of being any internal

marketer when you're, when

you're a marketer on the

institutional side, where like

there are things that

you for sure know,

it's obvious to you.

Yeah. And then you need to get out of

your own head and be like, but

what's not obvious

to them.

Um, so that's missing.

Um, tuition, this is huge.

Yeah.

Tuition is

mentioned on 16% of pages.

That's it.

16% of pages.

So like over 80% of the pages

don't mention

tuition, which we know is key

critical

decision-making factor.

Not mentioned when we looked at

these 50 different pages.

So, I mean, that's just, that

might be the biggest miss of

this entire study is

that this is a critical piece

of information that

people who are looking

for it, who are considering a

graduate program,

they need to know that.

And it's not listed.

Sometimes it's gated

behind the RFI form.

Sometimes they'll say, Hey, to

get it, fill it out.

Um, but most of the time that's

not even clear.

So there's actually, you don't

really know how to get it and

it's not mentioned.

And so again, when we talk

about risk reduction earlier,

ambiguity leads to

perceived risk, I don't know

what's out there.

I don't know, you know, if I

hit apply or if I

hit RFI, I don't really

know what I'm signing up for.

I also don't know if it's from

me, you know, like

just take any everyday

purchasing that you were doing.

You wouldn't like, if you're

going to buy a new car, you

wouldn't, you wouldn't

be like, I don't know how much

these cars are, but like, I

guess I go with this one.

Like, no way.

You would get yourself

bracketed down to like, I can

afford this much.

And these cars are this much.

It's not any different here.

Um, but for some

reason it's left off.

Well, let me kind of present an

argument for you.

Chris, what if my tuition is

really expensive?

Like I'm scared of

the sticker shock.

I'm scared.

I'm going to pay to get people

on the landing page.

They're going to see the price

and they're going to leave.

Yeah.

Well, so one, that's going to

happen eventually.

Anyway, if they're going to get

sticker shock,

then they're going

to get sticker shock later on.

Okay.

Um, but more so that's a

marketing challenge, right?

Like, okay, your

tuition is very high.

So like you have to earn it.

You have to show via your

positioning and your messaging

and your social proof

that like it deserves to be

that this high.

And for you, you should be okay

with paying this

much because it's such

an esteem degree from such a

prestigious institution.

You know, look at the, look at

the alumni, look at the places

they work, whatever

it is like this for me, that's

just a marketing challenge.

Okay.

Yeah, definitely expensive.

Let's approach this as a

marketing challenge.

How can we justify this price?

Um, because that's going to

happen either way.

And I'll say too, when it comes

to tuition, I think one

approach, if you

don't want the sticker shock of

the full tuition, I

think it's totally

fine to do cost per credit and

the number of

credits, like you can let me

do the multiplication myself.

Um, and then that does get you

away from the full price tag.

Being on the page

is kind of jarring.

Yeah.

As long as they're

both on the page.

Yeah.

What I don't love is the

scavenger hunt, which, which

happens on a lot of

university websites where it's

like for tuition, go to this

totally separate

part of the site, like I'll

tell you the credits here, but

the cost per credit

will be on the, the other page

that I have to go to.

And it's like, Oh, I don't have

to go to like six pages to, and

then do all this

math to figure

out what this is.

Yeah.

Um, then honestly that

creates ambiguity too.

And I have to run around

because then it's like, do I do

the math right?

You know, and like that's risk

that you're introducing to as

the institution

of like, what if they do the

math wrong and they opt out

because you put the

credits over here and the cost

per credit over here and they

did the calculation

wrong and they said,

it's too expensive.

So like you, this introduces

risk to do that from, from

both, from both perspectives.

So I don't love the scavenger

hunt part of it.

I find that to be a very

empathetic on empathetic

approach to like this person

just wants to know how much it

is, why are you making it?

We go to several different

pages to compare all these

different things.

Um, so I think tied to that,

and this is one of the ways

that you can lessen the

burden, let's say if you have a

high tuition program

is the two other staffs

we found is around scholarships

and financial aid.

So only 14% of the pages

referenced financial aid and

only 16% of the

pages talked

about scholarships.

So like just to recap, tuitions

mentioned on 16% of

the pages, period.

And then 14% mentioned

financial aid and 16% talk

about scholarships.

So like just the whole

financial absent, just absent,

like that's the key data.

I need to decide if this

program is for me or not.

And to go back to user

benefits, some people might be

pursuing a graduate

degree just to enrich their

lives just because they want to

be a lifelong learner.

But most of these people, this

is an equation and

like, this is ROI.

We are paying for this degree

now so that we can get this

title and this salary later.

So to just remove the full

financial portion of the

conversation does

feel kind of crazy.

It does.

It does.

And it just, it's going to

reduce conversion

rates just because

you're not going

to have it there.

You're not going to know if

this is for me or not.

Um, but then when we, if we get

back to like the, what if it's

a high tuition?

Like you need to then mention

financial aid and scholarships.

Like those are two like levers

you have to deal with,

with a higher tuition

or any tuition

price, to be honest.

You know, any tuition price,

those are a couple of levers

are like, yes, it is.

But we have generous

financial aid options.

We have great scholarships.

Like these things

really, really help.

Yeah.

Um, but for some reason

they're, they're

barely mentioned.

Uh, and so like that whole area

is just generally a

miss on these pages.

And it's interesting, but it's,

it's a, it's an

easy thing to change.

Yep. If they can understand that,

like, okay, I just need to get

this information on the

page, I need to probably get it

higher up on the page.

Cause again, I'm

just checking boxes.

Like I just, it's this program

for me, this, this, this, this,

like, as soon as

you can see that it's for you,

or you can see a financial path

to making it for you

via financial aid and

scholarships, you say, this is

a real contender.

I could really do this.

Yeah.

Um, now you're on a short list

versus a, I don't know.

I'm not sure.

I guess we'll see.

Um, you know, generally that

might be okay, but if somebody

else has it, then

they're going to be much more,

they're going to be

more sure, more confident

and feel less risky about

anyone who tells it to them.

We even just tested for a

university partner, um,

updating language on the

paper cook landing pages to

address grad plus loans going

away, purely, um, kind

of for of course the education,

but also for the empathy play

of just, we know

that this is happening, like

this is unavoidable.

This is a part of the

conversation right now.

And we want you to know that

this university

is aware of that.

And so we are prepared to have

conversations about

scholarships and

financial aid with you in light

of grad plus loans going away.

So even just letting people

know like, Hey, we have the

same concerns that you

have on our mind and we're

prepared to

address them with you.

I think it goes a long way in

building rapport, um, and trust

with a perspective

student.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think for graduate

programs too, like this is one

of the things where as a

marketer, it's probably a good

idea to go talk to the

enrollment advisors or the

admissions team or whoever it

is that's talking to these

potential students to

see like, what are the first

questions they're asking you

and what are their

concerns like all of that, that

stuff that you get from them

should be front

loaded into your landing pages.

Hey, everyone's really

concerned about grad

plus loans going away.

The first question is always

about tuition

and financial aid.

Like, okay,

let's talk about it.

Let's talk about it.

Let's get it on these pages.

We know they're having it in

that second conversation.

Let's move that up.

Oh, I love that.

Um, all right.

And then the last one, the last

kind of big takeaway here that

we noticed was,

uh, video.

So only 22% of graduate program

landing pages use video.

So very, very low percentage

and video is such a great

communication medium to

use that can help you do every

single thing that we've talked

about so far can

be done via video.

You can tell

people about tuition.

You can tell them

about financial aid.

You can tell them what the

program overview.

You can show social proof

outcomes, social

proof, alumni, testimonials.

All of that.

And you can just, you can do it

in a quick way that is

compelling and inspiring.

Um, but no one is using video.

Yeah.

Uh, video should be top of the

landing page right up there.

Big play button.

Get a quick 45 second, one

minute overview of the program

and just get them

something to be inspired about

should make it feel

real and tangible.

Like there's just the landing

pages are just cluttered with

copy and words and

like also stock photos.

Like if we could give them

something that made this feel

like a real tangible

program that was inspiring

right off the bat, we would do

such a better job

converting on

our landing pages.

So that's just another area

where it's a,

it's a total miss.

And I'm saying video like one

at the top, but honestly, you

could have four or five

videos to explain

every single section.

Um, I think that could go

really, really well.

And it's just very underused on

these landing pages.

I love having video that

accompanies text.

I'm doing that more and more,

um, and working with

universities on that, on our

curriculum page, if we're

describing a course, great.

We have a video with the

faculty member

describing that course.

You can read one, you can watch

one, you can do

both kind of choose

your own adventure there.

Um, but I agree a video, it's

like, it's a, it's a handshake.

It's a first impression.

It's we're actually hearing

from the university in the

university's voice

rather than just

text on a page.

Yep.

And again, when we look at heat

maps of landing pages that do

you have video or

even program overview pages

that have video, like those

elements get clicked.

A lot.

Like that's one of the most

clicked elements on

most pages on a website.

If they have a video on that

page and it's high

up enough, you're

going to see that get clicked.

Um, well, I think this study is

so cool and so valuable.

I know as a higher education

marketer, we are

all always in our

various chats at work going,

who has a really good higher ed

PPC landing pages?

Anyone have a two page forms?

Anyone have a one page form?

Yeah.

Does anyone have a good landing

page with video?

So I am going to guess Chris,

the study is on the vital

design website.

It is.

Yep.

Okay, cool.

We'll get that link in this

episode so that

everyone can read it.

Um, but otherwise what are our,

what are kind of our,

or one or two things

university marketers could do

this week based on

what we just discussed.

Yep.

So a couple of things I would

audit my landing pages against

what we found here.

Because what we're looking for

here is like, all right, this

is a 50 different

graduate landing page at

graduate program landing pages.

Where's the, where's the blue

ocean, the open space?

What is no one doing that we

know matters that, that we

could do and then audit

your own landing

page against it.

Are we not doing it?

We're not using video.

We're not talking

about financial aid.

We're not talking

about scholarships.

Okay.

Let's get that

stuff on the page.

So I would audit.

First thing I would do is just

audit my own landing page

against the study.

And then I would look at your

competitor landing pages and

see the areas that they

are saying the same thing or

that they have boxes checked

where we don't.

And again, see how we can make

it even more compelling by

again, using the

different

attributes from the study.

Yeah.

And I think too, I mean, I want

to make this feel as.

Unintimidating as possible.

Like I think some of these

things you talked

about putting an internal

navigation on the page that

maybe you have a module that

already exists that

can suffice that need, maybe

that's development.

And so maybe that one doesn't

come first, you know, maybe you

start with just

getting program

duration on the page.

Maybe you start with just

getting a blurb about

tuition or financial

aid scholarships, grad plus

loans, just kind of pick one or

two of these things.

And again, I know we talked

about this in the last episode,

do it on one page, do

it on one page, see how

conversion rate goes up or

doesn't, but hopefully goes up.

And then now you have a use

case, you have proof of

concept, and now you kind

of have the wind in your sails

to start rolling

this out on another page

and another page

and another page.

Oh, great way to start.

All right.

Well, thank you, Chris.

And thank you to Marissa.

This was an awesome study.

I love to hear about it.

She did a great job.

Thank you.

All right.

See you next time.