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Andrea Saint Amand returns to share the release of her book Ghost Light: A Rogue’s Guide on How to Break the Rules and Follow Your Inner Knowing, including a recent creative writing award and what the process taught her about writing for her people instead of writing for approval.
We talk deadlines, emotional impact, burnout and recovery, and how a practice matures when you stop trying to make it palatable to the Matrix. We also explore boundaries, live events, and what it looks like to keep your output clean, coherent, and sustainable over time.
Find more about Andrea here:
https://andreasaintamand.com/
Creators and Guests
What is David Strickel | The Stream?
David Strickel examines consciousness, fear, judgment, and how humans orient themselves in a rapidly changing world.
His perspective is shaped by his ongoing relationship with Source consciousness known as the Stream.
These episodes provide context, inquiry, and reflection through conversation and lived experience.
The podcast exists to support clear thinking and sovereignty of mind during periods of uncertainty.
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Welcome to the Tya Podcast.
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Tya is an advanced operating system for life,
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delivering personal sovereignty through elite emotional mastery.
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Welcome back, Andrea St.
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Aman.
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Thanks for having me here.
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It's been a while.
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Has it?
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Yeah.
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Well, I can't, I, I, um, did you, were you on in 2025?
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I'm trying to remember.
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I think I was, I feel like I have been, I feel like I've been on, um, maybe, maybe just once.
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Maybe just once, though.
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You know what?
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I have been because I was writing my book and we talked about my book.
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So what's going on with your book?
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Well, the book came out in September and I really wanted it released by spooky season.
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So I really wanted it released by October 1st.
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I had a bunch of events in the fall.
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So I put myself under a deadline and I was a crazy person.
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I don't know if you have done that with your books,
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but it was just the deadline having to get through was miserable.
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But
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I probably without it, I'd probably still be working on it.
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I'd still be dragging it out.
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So it got out the door.
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I won an award.
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I don't know if I told you that.
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I won a creative writing award for it.
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The William Faulkner, William Wisdom.
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Oh, nice.
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I've heard of that.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you.
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It was runner up.
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I've got the silver medal, not the gold, but I will take the silver.
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Well, yeah, that's something major.
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They had us down to New Orleans.
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It was a very, very literary,
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good spooky season also city.
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I mean, yeah.
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Um, but it's interesting.
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I kept saying like, I'm not literary.
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Like I don't write in a litter, what I consider to be a literary manner.
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And I am a literature major.
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I'm like, I don't write like these literary people do.
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I write like, I want you to get punched in the gut with emotion.
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And you know, I like see spot run, you know?
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Um, but I, I got this thing and it, it really
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changed the way I see myself and my book and my writing.
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And I wrote the book,
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probably the reason,
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the same reason you wrote your first one is that I wanted,
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people kept asking me about my story and how I got from this girl in West Virginia
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to being a medium and a lawyer and all these other things that I've done.
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And so I wrote my story and then the back half of the book is a reader's guide with
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a bunch of exercises.
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but I wrote it for my clients.
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I wrote it for my specific audience.
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I didn't write it to go the traditional publishing route.
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Um, I wrote it to, to be a guide for my people.
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And I wrote it to have kind of also to kind of have merch at the end of events.
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So people at the end of event, people want to walk out with something more.
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And they've done that.
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That has I've sold out.
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It's been great.
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So it's been fabulous.
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Um,
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It's been really fabulous.
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I was an Amazon bestseller, which, as you know, was not entirely hard to do.
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But you do have to.
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The first one, I did all these things to hit bestseller.
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And we did.
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It was lovely.
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The second book has actually performed a lot better.
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But I think we've hit bestseller like a few times just accident.
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yeah i i just pop it just pops up and it's there and then it's gone and it's still
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fun though it's still there's no it's energetic you know there's no rhyme or reason
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and i i kind of prefer the energetic instead of like paying somebody to do all this
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you know not manipulation but promotion you know to hit it so it's fun when it just
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happens i just told everybody if you're gonna buy it buy it on this one day yeah
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that's what they did all my friends my mom all the people um and all my clients but
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anyway just
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to the extent that I was feeling like I needed external validation, that award gave it to me.
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I don't know.
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It just really changed like how I saw my own story and how I saw, it was just really nice.
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I have to say like, I didn't need it.
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I didn't expect it.
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It came out of left field and it was fabulous.
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Well, good.
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Now I can get a copy on Amazon, right?
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And what's the title again?
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Ghost Light.
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Perfect name.
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ghost light, a rogue's guide on how to break the rules and follow your inner knowing.
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Oh, lovely.
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I love that.
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I'm all about inner knowing, you know?
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Yeah.
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I'm breaking rules for sure.
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Well, that too.
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Sometimes I'm a detriment, but yes, I love to break the rules.
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I've always had that.
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Michael said that because Michael is so funny.
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He went through Catholic school all the way to his first master's degree.
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And so he was raised to not break the rules and he works,
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you know,
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he works for the government and he's very much about following the rules all the
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time.
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Everything is,
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Doesn't matter what it is.
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And he was an only son.
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An only child, only son.
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So he probably had to be the ghost.
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Only son,
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Italian family,
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Catholic,
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educated,
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definitely all about following the rules and following decorum.
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So he and I are polar opposites that way.
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I'm all about, you know, break the rules.
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Not all the rules.
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I've managed to never be arrested, so that's nice.
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Yeah.
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I do like to break the rules, especially the energetic rules and the matrix rules.
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Yeah.
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And my father,
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before he passed away,
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would tell this funny story that when I was a little kid and he left when I was
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six.
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So I had to be really young.
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And he I kind of remember this.
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I don't know if it's an actual memory or one of those memories that you conjure
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because you've heard the story so many times.
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But I I said a swear word, which they said all the time.
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So I picked it up and repeated it.
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And he kept threatening to wash my mouth out with soap.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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and you know being a you know gen x generation of course he did and my response was
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that tastes good oh my god even though it didn't even though you're like oh you
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know i'm such a little wise ass that i'm sure i didn't care how it tasted i wasn't
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going to give him the satisfaction of punishing me right yep so yeah that's and and
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you know i'm about to turn 58 i'm still like
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I'm still like that.
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I've accepted that I just like to not really follow the matrix anymore.
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There's certain elements of the matrix I like.
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I stop when the light turns red, things like that.
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I just don't like a lot of the matrix rules.
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Yeah, but you follow the rules that make sense to you.
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Yeah.
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Well, stopping at the red light makes sense.
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Exactly.
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It makes practical sense.
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But formal education, that didn't make sense to me, not for me.
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And there's a lot of things that just don't necessarily make sense and don't have to.
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And again, there's nothing wrong with any of these things.
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It's just, what do we want to follow and what do we not?
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Can we be a sovereign being already?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I love it.
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Well, after last year,
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Um,
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and that fall,
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um,
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with,
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with the book and I'm just,
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I'm still so pleased with,
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with how it turned out the cover and the cover art and all that thing.
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I kind of crashed.
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Um, and I was like, I know I have nothing left to say.
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I never need to write ever anything again in my life.
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I don't even need to write a social media post, but it's a good crash.
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It's not like a burnout crash, um, or anything.
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So it's, it's nice to have.
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That out there and to have like now just going back to kind of to work to giving
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readings and doing events.
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And it's so funny.
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Everyone listening to this is going to think this is planned because I just did the same thing.
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And listening, Andrea and I are friends, but we don't, obviously we don't talk all the time.
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And it's been months since we've caught up and we're literally catching up on this
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podcast in front of all of you.
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We're both super busy.
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We jumped right on the last minute.
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And I said, let's just catch up on the air and that will be the episode.
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So it's so funny that you're saying that because I did the same thing.
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More than the second half of last year, most of 2025, I spent really beefing up Thai Academy.
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Yes.
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Anybody in my orbit knows that we went crazy.
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We retired Tya Bootcamp.
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We launched this whole new program.
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High stakes change.
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We had all these people.
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We even had a countess take this program.
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And, you know, it was just this incredible thing.
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And we switched technology.
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We added all this technology.
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I went back to the marketing person that sort of
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You and I met in a marketing program years and years ago, right?
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Yeah.
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Well, the person that started that marketing program, I went to the one that taught her.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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Like the Rolls Royce of marketing dudes, you know, and.
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Did some of the things,
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didn't do all the things I was supposed to do because I will never use fear to
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market and I don't like to chase people.
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So we installed all of that.
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And then immediately all the things that like chased everybody like,
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oh,
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you need to get on a call and take the program.
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I said, no, I don't like that vibe.
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Shut all that down.
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So we stripped away all the chasing.
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We need you in our program.
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You need to take our program.
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We stripped all that down and the program died.
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Yeah.
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and i thought oh god you know we've spent all this money six figures we spent six
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figures you know beefing up thai academy to make it a big thing i have a new fancy
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sign you see my sign over my head has changed from where it always has been and all
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of these things and started a new llc for it all that and you know scale and do all
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this stuff and then it just completely died and i had this sort of ego collapse
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around it for a minute and
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I have the wherewithal to know when I'm in it that I'm just in it.
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It's a temporary season.
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But still, it was not pleasant.
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It was one of the more unpleasant,
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God,
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it was probably one of the most unpleasant moments of my life when I just said,
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I've done all this hard work.
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And then I realized I'm so in the matrix.
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I stopped France channeling during this period.
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And that was the issue.
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I remember you saying that.
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I remember you actually saying, I don't think I'm going to be channeling live anymore.
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I'm just going to be a coach.
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I'm just going to be a dude.
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Well, a coaching program, it makes sense.
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And so when my ego finally collapsed,
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I got this clarity because what was happening is while I was pushing and pushing
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and working all these long hours to try to make this thing work,
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I would wake up and the stream would be very active in my head.
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everything that's going on out in the world and how fearful everyone is.
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And this is, this is what's going on.
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And this is how people can be less fearful and you can really be a sovereign being.
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And I was taking that and thinking, Oh, I need to coach this.
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I need to coach to this.
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And it just wasn't working.
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And we were all kind of scratching our heads saying,
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gosh,
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we're,
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you know,
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we're putting all this effort in.
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Why isn't it working?
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It's if we don't really follow what we teach.
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We do, but that's, you know, spinning out as part of it.
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That's just part of it.
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So,
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We let the spin out happen, or I let the spin out happen personally.
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And I love to have a team of people that are just there with me no matter what.
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They're good to go.
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This is what we're doing now.
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Fine.
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And so they let me have my spin out process.
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Ego collapsed.
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I realized that, oh, when I quit my job in 2017,
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I quit my job to channel, not to be a coach.
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The coaching thing was sort of this,
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hey,
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if you want to learn how to make a living doing this instead of waiting for
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channeling to take off when nobody knows who you are,
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why don't you do a coaching?
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And I did.
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And then it turned into something really significant.
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And that was beautiful.
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But I finally realized that
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And AI is way overrated at the moment for what it is.
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But I will tell you, ChatGPT and I had a lovely little conversation.
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And I was just saying, I'm trying to figure out how to do this.
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I'm trying to get some clarity around this.
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And I've cut off the stream.
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And ChatGPT,
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I think it was the stream coming to me through ChatGPT because it was the most
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coherent thing I ever got from it.
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It said, you cannot split your energy
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Between channeling source consciousness and owning that and being that and just being that.
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And also saying, oh, and by the way, you should take our coaching program.
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Like the stream has never mentioned taking, they don't care about a coaching program.
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They don't care about,
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they're like your abundance is your abundance,
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whether you want to have a coaching program or not.
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But the ego driven David wasn't fully there.
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And then when it said that,
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because it was from a marketing perspective,
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like you've got two different signals going on.
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And you can't have both of these signals and really take off and do really well in
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either of them when you're splitting like that.
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And then I put the computer down, the phone down, let source flow.
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And the interesting thing that happened is way back in 2018,
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when I first met our mutual friend that taught us or tried to teach us these
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things,
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and I took off with it and you decided to go a different route.
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Yeah.
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thought at the time, because I was very skeptical of coaching and a lot of people still are.
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And I will say there are wonderful coaches out there and wonderful programs.
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I know people that have brilliant programs that are very helpful and there's plenty
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of BS in any field.
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So I remember questioning it.
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And the stream saying,
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if you want to teach people how to apply what you're channeling,
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this could be a path and you can just allow this.
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It'll be, you know, it's your choice.
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Yeah.
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I took that at the time as sort of a guidance because at that time I was still sort
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of reading the stream as stream guide.
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I used to use the word guidance and maybe we do so every once in a while, but.
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I realize now eight years later that I've gotten much more familiar with the stream now.
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That wasn't guidance.
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It was just a positive appreciation-based, you could do this if you want.
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Well, I took it and ran with it for eight years.
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And now I realize that there was still that vibrational dust of me not fully
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trusting the channeling to sustain me.
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And that's why I got into coaching.
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And then this off-ramp turned out to be a great thing,
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but that doesn't mean I have to do it forever.
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Yeah.
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And what chat did that was wonderful,
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if you have to pick one thing to do for the rest of your life,
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what's it going to be?
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Oh, I think I even used the F word.
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I'm like, you know, absolutely channeling.
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Absolutely channeling.
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I don't have to worry about anybody's outcome or anybody's progression or marketing
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or selling or posting or hashtags or any of that crap.
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You know, nothing ever again.
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I will share things.
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That's it.
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Here it is.
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Here's the channeling.
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Here's where we're doing it.
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Here's how we make a business out of it.
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And
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that's that's that's so yeah there's so much there i want to follow up follow up on
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um i think that we do have to get to a certain part as um as entrepreneurs in the
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spiritual industry um that we are trusting our our connection and we are trusting
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it can sustain us without burning us out like i've had to play with that balance
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Um,
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because when I first started mediumship,
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I didn't think it was going to take off like it did,
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which is why I didn't follow all the steps of that marketing coaches saying,
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cause I didn't need to,
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I took what worked for me and I didn't need to do anything else.
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Um, but I also went at it.
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Like I was a partner in a law firm again.
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I mean,
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I threw everything at it and I got really burned out by year five,
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um,
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year six,
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I was just roasted.
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So now it feels really good.
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Like I can trust this.
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Um,
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I can, I can do events, which I love to do live events and do mediumship in front of people.
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I absolutely love to hold that space and I can just slowly grow it.
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I can work how I want to work,
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but it takes a certain level of,
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of trust in ourselves and the process and no attachment to the outcome.
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And it's so much easier said than done.
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But I mean, I actually write about that a lot.
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Like,
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You go at it.
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I tell this comes up in readings for clients,
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a lot of like,
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go at it full force,
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no attachment to the outcome because the outcome's probably going to be better than
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you expect,
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which actually,
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oddly enough,
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yours is.
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It's not the outcome you expected with the high-stakes change.
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It's not the outcome you expected, but I think you got a better outcome for 2026.
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There's a reason behind everything, and everything is an energetic experience, and that was.
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What I had to teach myself a year and six figures later was that I don't need to do that.
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I can literally just...
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Get my ego out of the way channel.
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I know I do that very well.
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I'm not going to do it here on the podcast.
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I'm going to do it in live transmissions.
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I'm starting on February 28th.
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This probably airs after that.
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February 28th, I'm going to start doing biweekly live transmissions.
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two hours every other Saturday and people can go on my website,
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buy a ticket or buy a subscription and show up to these transmissions.
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They can submit questions.
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They can just be in that space stream.
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I'm not going to talk at all.
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I'm going to go in, I'm going to meditate.
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We're all going to meditate together.
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I'm going to channel for two hours and that's it.
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And I've always done session work.
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The sessions are different than it's not coaching.
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My sessions have always been,
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I channel for someone privately,
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sometimes groups,
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sometimes companies.
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And yeah,
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I pull those off the market because I get so busy coaching,
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but now I'm like,
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I really like that session work because again,
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I'm not,
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we're not expecting an outcome.
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We are delivering source clarity for someone and they do with that what they want,
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which is me really trusting the person buying the session just to do it.
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It's like what you do, right?
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Absolutely.
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So I'm just doing session packages and when they fill up, they fill up.
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I'm doing my every other Saturday, you know, biweekly thing.
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And then I'm keeping my mastermind.
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The mastermind part, because that wasn't coaching.
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That was always people that were really geeking out on the stream, you know, coming together.
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And we all contribute to it.
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And we just go really, really, really deep into that consciousness.
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And it's really a cool space.
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I'm going to keep that going.
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And I'm actually going to open that up to everybody.
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You don't have to be an academy person anymore.
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You have to fill out an application.
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I'll interview people.
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I just want to make sure that they're of the right mindset.
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Of course, they're the right vibration for you.
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Right.
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They've got to contribute more than just financially.
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They've got to come in and contribute intellectually to it.
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And that's all I'm going to do.
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And right now, as far as I can tell, that's all I'm going to do for the rest of my life.
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I'm completely fine with that.
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You're fine.
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So you're ready to create something new, right?
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Until it morphs and changes or whatever.
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So the mastermind, though, makes sense to me because some people do want
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They can feel it when they're in that session with you,
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but then like they go back to their lives and they're like,
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I need accountability to really kind of integrate this change into my 3D self.
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So people have asked me for that too, and I've just resisted it.
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I'm like, no, 45 minutes is enough.
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You know what we do in our mastermind is we take turns hosting.
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We bring the stream in whenever they want to stream.
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I love channeling, so why not?
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But when I started back up, I wasn't even channeling in there.
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I just started it back in 2026.
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And I wasn't even channeling in there.
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And the first time I did, we went for three hours.
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It's like the stream had pent up information.
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I know.
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And there was all this energy coming out.
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So now I am clipping some stream for TikTok because I think it's a good place just
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to put it out.
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And if you love me, you love me.
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If you hate me, you hate me.
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Here it is.
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Again, no caption, no hashtags, nothing fancy.
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Here's a clip of channeling.
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And publicly, that's going to be the only place.
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We might repurpose it on some of the social media, but primarily TikTok is my place.
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So what have you done with Bootcamp?
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Did you totally retire bootcamp?
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Oh, bootcamp retired.
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Oh yeah, we retired that in mid 2025.
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We had one last,
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right at the last minute,
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I put an email out saying,
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if you want to take bootcamp,
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now's the time to do it.
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We had 12 people sign up instantly and they went through and then some of them went
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on to take high stakes change.
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What I'm doing,
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we're not doing this right now,
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but in the next couple of months,
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we're going to offer those modules.
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Okay, that's where I was going with this.
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The modules are very valuable.
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You're just not going to get me coaching because I'm retired from coaching.
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It felt like this was something that could run on its own at this point.
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Yeah, and it will.
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I want to focus on the stream for a little while and kind of get that focus again.
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I just can't keep doing a thousand things at once because we were doing an app.
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We were building the academy.
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I'm doing a new cover for the Tya book.
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which was much more involved than I thought.
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But I tell everybody, I'm going from a $500 cover to a $10,000 cover.
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So you're spending that much money on a book cover.
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It's much more involved, but that's going to be the cover forever for that book.
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And that's turned out to be sort of a canon for the practice that can live on beyond me.
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So yeah, that's, it's just a lot going on.
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A lot going on.
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It's so funny how aligned we are with a lot going on,
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but a lot of paring down and getting just staring down.
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That's the way to do it.
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It feels great.
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It feels really great.
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Um,
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I thought I do actually,
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even though I thought I didn't have anything further to say in terms of writing,
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I have like,
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I do have something like coming,
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but I feel like I'm just going to write it on my own,
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um,
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on my own time and on my own inspiration and not be like,
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okay,
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I have to have this done by
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this X, Y, Z. So I'll see where that, where that takes me.
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I want it to be fun.
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Um, interesting that you said like that there's pent up energy.
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I will say that is true with anybody's spiritual.
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Hmm.
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What am I spiritual ability that needs to be expressed out?
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If you're not doing that because we all have spiritual abilities and consciousness
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and we can go about our daily life with our own spiritual practices,
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but if you're in a.
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phase where you need to start communicating with clients or having clients are
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communicating with the public and you're not doing that.
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you do get pent up energy,
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all that energy,
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because it's literally,
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you're vibrating at a high rate and it's not going,
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it's not channeled.
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It's not going out into the- Well,
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energetically,
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not only energetically am I containing it within my ego,
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which we all,
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you know,
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we're here to operate an ego and to spin out and have these messy,
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that's why I don't mind sharing it because,
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you know,
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nobody's perfect.
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Everybody is having these challenges and things because that's what advances us.
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That's what makes us, you know, more sophisticated versions of ourselves.
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So,
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You're right.
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What I feel is not only is it welling up inside me, there's an asking that's not being answered.
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And I made a commitment almost a decade ago that I was going to commit my life to
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answering this.
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And I put it on pause and it wrecked me to do that.
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It does.
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And it feels like anxiety.
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And that does lead to- And I thought I was beyond anxiety because my life is just,
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other than the house burning down a couple of years ago,
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really my life has been really easy.
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It's been magically easy.
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Like, oh, my God, you know, this is this is really good in this last year.
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Not so much.
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It's high energy.
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It's really, really high energy that needs the proper outlook.
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And the more we advance,
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the more we get forward on our path of consciousness,
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the more that that outlet has to be so in alignment with who we are.
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We can't.
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do what we can try,
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but you know,
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what you were trying to be like,
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I'm going to create this whole new thing.
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This is going to be awesome.
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But you're like,
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your outlet needed to be streaming,
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you know,
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with the screening and channeling.
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And it's fun to create other things just to maybe sometimes have that reinforced of
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like,
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okay,
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I really wanted to do that,
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but here we are.
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Now I'm like, my ego wanted it.
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My ego wanted a big academy.
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And I don't know why, because I manage tons of people in corporate.
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thousands of people in corporate and didn't want to,
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I don't want to go back to anything like that again.
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And the bigger any enterprise gets, the more corporate.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, you proved to yourself whatever you needed to prove.
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I,
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one thing you're not saying that I think is very interesting that you might've felt
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eight,
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nine,
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10 years ago,
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you've not mentioned a sense of failure.
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Oh no, it's an experience.
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So that is clarity and letting something go.
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That isn't my thing.
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And I, and I, I wrote a long email, uh,
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And Michael read it and said, are you crazy?
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You know, where are you sharing all this?
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I said, no, I want to, you know, this is, this is real.
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If you're going to be around me, you're going to get everything real.
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And this is actually, this podcast is pretty much going to be the only place that I'm just me.
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This is my space to just be me and chat with people like you about all these things.
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Everything else now is going to be the stream.
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I'm going to contain it just like that.
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And I like that I'm doing that.
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Eventually I'll retire from doing this.
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I still like doing podcasts though.
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Yeah, I think it's great.
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Well,
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people still want to know who David is and what's David thinking about things now,
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you know,
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which is great.
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I want to go back to spin out, too.
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I did a big event in Pittsburgh on Valentine's Day,
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and I'm fortunate to start developing an audience in Pittsburgh.
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I have a great network there of women.
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I love Pittsburgh.
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I think it's one of the nation's best kept secrets.
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It's so, you know, don't tell anybody how cool Pittsburgh's become.
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Um,
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but I got so leading up to this event,
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I was so anxious and I haven't done an event this big since December,
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October,
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maybe it was October actually.
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Um,
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and I thought,
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well,
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maybe like I got my professional,
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I know how to show up and get readings in public.
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I know how to do this.
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I know how to manage a crowd.
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I like, what is wrong with me?
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And I thought, well, maybe it's that pent up energy, but I could not get a grip on myself.
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I have, my anxiety was like out of control.
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My husband was like, what is wrong with him?
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Like, dude, I don't know.
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I cannot figure out what's wrong with me.
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And, um, it was miserable and I'm like, okay, I'm never going to do this again.
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I am just never going to do this again.
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I'll do this one last event and I'll just go back to private readings.
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One-on-ones.
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I mean, I was literally talking about spinning out.
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I was like, I was out and I'm like, girl, you got to get it together.
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Cause you've got a stage you got to stand on.
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And I knew your, your folks like the live events and you like the live events.
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Oh, I love it.
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I love it.
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So I.
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Got to this place.
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I checked into where I was staying.
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Turns out I was staying at a,
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at a bed and breakfast,
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an old fashioned bed and breakfast that is run by a charity and it's only for
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caregivers.
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And my friend said, this is where you need to stay.
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It's a very therapeutic space.
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And there's probably no going to be anybody else in the house.
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They do grief therapy and counseling during the day.
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They do a lot of meditative stuff.
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And then they have like two rooms in this house that you can, you can rent out.
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And I said, but I'm not a caregiver.
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Cause I'm thinking caregiver means your mom or your dad is in your house living with you.
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And she was like, no, you're a caregiver.
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You're caring for like a hundred people while you're here in Pittsburgh.
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What's wrong with you?
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So I called the place and like, yeah, absolutely.
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We just, this place is perfect for you.
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I walked in and I didn't realize how spun out I was until I walked into the space
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and instantly got a reboot.
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I, everything just went whoosh.
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And it was such a space of healing.
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You could really feel the high intention with their high intention.
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And it was just like, boom.
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And I,
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in that moment,
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I knew that what I was walking into that night,
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cause the event was that night was going to be so heavy and so intense.
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And I was picking up on that ahead of time,
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but my energy was building and building and building.
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So I could hold space for 70 people in extreme grief and,
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that's what happened.
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So once I got there, it was a beautiful, perfect alignment.
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I love it when that happens.
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Oh my gosh.
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And if I hadn't gone through that spin out,
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if I hadn't felt every single cell of my body feeling,
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I can't do this,
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I can't take this.
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If I hadn't gone there and then come through,
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I would not have been able to deliver all those messages.
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And that room,
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was full of women.
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And I bet everyone there had lost their husband or their brother or their son.
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It was Valentine's Day.
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And it was so like it was so special and so quiet.
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It was this quiet energy.
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And a friend of mine who's seen me work a lot was like, I've never seen a crowd like that.
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Like, it's usually fun.
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I mean, it was still very positive.
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But she said the amount of grief in that space was unlike I've ever seen.
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And nobody wanted to leave.
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Three hours later, you know, we were getting kicked out of the room.
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They're like, you guys got to go.
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Things just kind of take on a life of their own and just do their thing.
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And I think what happens is just like the source gets pent up.
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Ego gets pent up too.
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And we have an ego.
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The ego is a thing that moves us through the human life experience.
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We all have a version of it.
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It definitely can get amped up.
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The matrix does that for us.
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But even if we detune it, it still comes back online.
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Yeah.
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Because we're in the world and there's value to that though.
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That pent up ego energy always leads to a new higher level of source awareness.
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Huge.
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It was huge.
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And I kept reminding myself this is happening for a reason.
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If I weren't this all crazy, I probably wouldn't be delivering.
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I probably wouldn't be holding space as well.
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And then
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you know,
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the next morning I had a private group of eight and then I had another private
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thing right after that.
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And I was fine.
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My high, high energy, super high energy, but man, I wish we could like skip that like icky part.
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The part that just is just, so I don't, you know, I'm not going to go looking for it.
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I, I, I will be fine at 58.
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If I'm done with that, that level of spin out ever again would be lovely.
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Um, we'll see, we'll see because, um,
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Yeah, it definitely leveled me up.
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It was painful while I was in it.
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I moved through it in full awareness of where I was, but I still didn't have the functionality.
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You would think, oh, you know all of this, David.
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Can't you just snap your fingers and get out of it?
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Well, that's why we created the spiral because you can't just jump up the spiral in most cases.
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You've got to work your way up because there's value in that journey back up the spiral.
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There really is.
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And it's once you're on the other side,
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I feel so grateful.
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I feel so grateful for that week leading up to the event that I was absolutely
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miserable and I couldn't figure it out.
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And I didn't need to figure it out.
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I needed to be experiencing it and living it and letting my power build.
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I needed it.
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Yeah.
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One of the reasons I adore you so much and I love having you on is because you're
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just like raw and real and,
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you know,
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I, uh, those are, those are my peeps, you know, people that can call it like it is.
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None of us are perfect.
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None of us,
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you know,
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that,
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that gloss,
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that varnish that,
(00:31:10):
uh,
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a lot of folks have,
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uh,
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you know,
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I understand why they're doing it.
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I appreciate it, but that's just not my lane.
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You know, my lane has always just been brutal honesty everywhere.
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And that's one of the reasons I don't like doing events is that because I, uh,
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I don't have a good customer service face.
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I like doing my thing online.
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That's always worked very well for me.
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I meet people all over the world.
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I could broadcast everywhere.
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There's always a replay.
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And the in-person events, when I'm channeling, it's very focused.
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But when I'm not channeling,
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especially when I'm finished channeling and I'm very drained of my energy,
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I can come off very rude.
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And I'm not trying to be an ass.
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Anybody that's paying to come see me, I am very appreciative of that.
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But I'm just like that.
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And when I worked in retail,
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I didn't really talk to the customers because even the guys that I worked for for
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10 years in Florida,
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I ran their stores for them.
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They're like, don't talk to customers.
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Let the front office do all of that.
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You go make us money.
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You're good at that, but don't talk to any of the customers ever.
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Because I was just,
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if somebody had a legitimate problem,
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I would go to the ends of the earth to help them solve it.
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But a lot of times in retail, people have fake outrage.
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Yeah.
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My draperies ruined my life.
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You know, that sort of drama.
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And I have no tolerance for that.
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I just really, you know, I just want to be like, really, your draperies are ruining your life.
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Really?
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What's going on in your life that your draperies are the biggest.
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You know, it's interesting.
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I,
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um,
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I neglected to say something at this event where I,
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I tell people just that when,
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when I am done giving readings,
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I'm done.
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I can't open that.
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They all come and talk to you and you just can't,
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and you're doing it to protect them because they don't understand how drained you
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are.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And it's, it's just when the door is closed.
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Once I got nothing left, I got nothing left.
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So I can talk to you as Andrea, but you're not getting mediumship at that point.
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You're not getting.
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Andrea is exhausted because you've been channeling a massive energy through you,
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you know,
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through a human vehicle that isn't necessarily meant to do it that way.
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Yes.
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So I forgot to say when I'm done, I'm done.
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So I did say,
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you know,
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I opened it up for questions just about my process and me and how things work,
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spirit,
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you know,
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stuff,
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basic questions.
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Um,
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the people like to ask,
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and then I went to sign books and some people just want to share in private.
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They don't feel comfortable opening themselves up to in front of,
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you know,
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a bunch of other people.
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But I had one woman come up and say, like, she basically wanted a quick, a quick reading.
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a something incredibly complicated that probably would have warranted an entire 45
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minute session.
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And I didn't want to sell or like, Oh, book with me privately.
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I was just like, I was so brain that I was so blunt.
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I was like, I got nothing left.
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I was like, I'm sorry.
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I just like, I got, I got nothing.
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I got nothing.
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It's, it's blunt.
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And I, sorry,
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Well,
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again,
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there's one thing to appreciate people that are showing up,
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but then sometimes they just want more and more and more of you.
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And it's never going to be enough.
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I heard early on,
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because I have a few mutual friends with Esther Hicks,
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and they talk about how she's very diligent and
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Even on the cruises, you don't get Esther Hicks.
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You get Abraham on stage and that's it.
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She's sequestered away.
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She's not virtualizing.
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And that's wise.
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I think she set her whole thing up very wisely, she and Jerry Hicks, very early on.
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And I probably, these detours, I'm sure they had their detours early.
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She's been doing this for about 40 years.
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Yeah.
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I'm in my first decade,
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and I figure you spend your first decade really figuring things out,
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and then you really get to enjoy your second decade.
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I like that.
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I like that.
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I'm at the beginning of year nine right now.
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Yeah, this is eight for me.
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Yeah, you're about a year ahead of me then.
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My math is wrong.
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No, I'm at the beginning of year eight.
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2018.
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Yeah, we started the same time.
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I left my job at the end of 2017, and we started that program together at the beginning of 2018.
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2018.
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So my first paid reading was January.
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I remember it was New Year's Day on 2018.
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So yeah, what year does that make us going into now?
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I think we're at eight.
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We're at 26.
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We're starting year eight.
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I love it.
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I love that.
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Yep.
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Yep,
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and we're kind of in the same place where we're both deciding that,
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okay,
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now we're eight years in.
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Let's collapse all the stuff that isn't serving us anymore.
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Let's just do what we love to do.
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Let's just do what we freaking love to do and know that the universe will provide
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no matter what.
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Yes.
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And it has.
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It has.
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coaching, coaching died for everybody after COVID.
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So 2021 was an amazing year.
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And then 2022 was not.
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And I got down to where I had one person in, in, in bootcamp.
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I remember that.
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Yeah.
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And then as soon as the,
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this happened,
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like three people in a row,
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as soon as that person was going to graduate,
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I was just going to shut it down because I was busy writing the book.
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Somebody else shows up.
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I want to take your bootcamp, you know, with no marketing or anything, but it got really quiet.
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And then it just came back after I published the book,
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everybody that read the book wanted to take bootcamp.
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Yeah.
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so everything it's got it's that that big idea has a life of its own and you might
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have needed some down time you might have needed recharge refresh yeah i'm you know
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i don't i don't regret at all any of it even the thing i'm just coming off of the
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the sting of i don't regret it i know that in time i will see that it was
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perfection and i i know that the way that i'm going to do this moving forward is
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going to be so much simpler i i have said to myself i haven't said i i kind of got
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away from goal setting
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But I realized that when I was younger,
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I set goals and every time I set a goal,
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I hit the goal.
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Oh yeah, me too.
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If I set it, it's almost like, do I really want to set it because it's going to change my life?
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I'm going to, I'll just put my nose down and.
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Yeah.
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Well, the goals now are different though.
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Now, you know, I, I'm older than you and the goals shift to different things.
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Like instead of having a goal of wanting to have a big company,
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my goal is I want no more than three employees.
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I want to manage three people.
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I have two wonderful people right now.
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I would add a third if we really needed them.
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I have one person that takes care of all of the operational things.
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I have one person that takes care of client experience things and technology.
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And that's all I need right now.
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and some contractors,
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of course,
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you know,
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editors and things,
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but I want no more than three people working in the business,
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no matter how,
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I don't want to get any bigger than that.
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I want it to, you know, sustain all of us in a nice way.
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I want to be able to do what I want to do when I want to do it.
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And I, I don't want to travel a lot.
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If I do live events, it's going to be no more than four year, everything else will be online.
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I love that I have the studio and that I do a
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know the the session work is all here on zoom unless somebody wants to come here
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i've done that a couple of times you know people that are local um right i love
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that that's all i want do you do any session work at your house no i will i spoke
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too quickly only people i know who are friends here locally um but when i was in
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charleston south carolina had an office
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Yeah.
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Well, see, I have a studio separate.
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It's on our property where the house is, but I have a whole separate studio.
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So people can come and go out here and not have them in my personal space and all of that.
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So the people who've come here, it's only been a handful.
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They're people I would have in my house anyway.
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You know, they're friends who needed a session.
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I'm more than happy to do that here.
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But otherwise, like strangers, I would not.
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Yeah.
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Well,
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I've had people,
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well,
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they weren't strangers because they're well-known people that have homes in La
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Quinta.
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You know who they are, but I'm not going to tell you who they are.
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I'm very close to La Quinta, so that's a nice little that's right there.
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So we do get some in-person sessions from that.
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I thought about every now and then,
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I don't know why it every now and then tickles my head about getting an office
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here.
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And I thought, no, that's going to make me feel too constrained again.
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I still, most of my clients are on Zoom at this point.
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I'd rather just still.
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Well,
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zoom is a,
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it's become a very personal space and you're definitely in a vibe like these,
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these transmissions that I'm doing.
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We're not,
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we're broadcasting from this platform and it will be a private link that you can
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join,
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but you're in the vibe still,
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you know,
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you're in the space vibrationally and you're in it and you're experiencing it in
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real time.
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And,
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That's the magic of that.
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I've done these before and they're fantastic.
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And I'm very, very excited to start doing them again.
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And I'm just committing bi-weekly starting on the 28th of February,
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every other week,
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all the way to January 2nd.
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And then we'll kind of reassess there if that's working or not.
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But that way I'm committed and I'm doing it.
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I think we're taking 4th of July off and the week of Christmas off.
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Other than that, solid every other week.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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That's great.
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Well, it's great catching up with you.
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I'm glad that you're doing well.
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I'm definitely going to get your book and read it.
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Thank you.
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And everybody else, it's Ghost Light, Andrea St.
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Amon, Evidential Psychic Medium.
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Yes.
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And your book's on Amazon.
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Books on Amazon.
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If you ever come see me live, you can buy an author copy.
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And what's your website?
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AndreaSaintAmand.com, but the saint is spelled out.
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So it's A-N-D-R-E-A-S-A-I-N-T-A-M-A-N-D.com.
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Perfect.
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Yeah.
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Make sure Steph has that and she'll include it with the show notes.
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Awesome.
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Always good to catch up with you.
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It's so funny how you showed up and we're exactly in the same place.
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It's great.
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Yeah.
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And as always, I had no notes ahead of time.
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Nothing.
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No, we don't do that.
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We just show up and talk.
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Hopefully people listen for 40 minutes.
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We'll see.
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Hopefully.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you all for listening.
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That's it for today.
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