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00;00;00;00 - 00;00;14;59
Unknown
We're not against people coming in and getting one on one. But you did all your drill work that you're supposed to do. You knew how to do that. Like a lot of those things are self-explanatory. They're not needed to have a person there. There's times where there is going to be a person for it and like they might see something different or like you video it and then you review it.
00;00;15;04 - 00;00;26;42
Unknown
Like that's different than like that 30 minutes to an hour that you have or you're spending all that money like once a week. It's like, that's not going to change things. It's everything else that you're doing outside of the session.
00;00;26;42 - 00;00;46;05
Unknown
What's up guys? Back on another episode of the Pro Source Pod. Today we are going to be talking about in-person lessons and why we should get away from them and everything in the past. So we're going to go step by step kind of why we think that they're not worth the money. And I mean, it's pretty simple from our perspective, especially from doing them so often.
00;00;46;19 - 00;01;02;30
Unknown
So we're going to kind of tell you guys, like if you are doing them, what to look out for and what they're really focused on if you are doing them. So yeah, and how you can make them better. We're not saying that in person lessons or the devil, just if you are doing them, it's like there's a right and a wrong way to go about it for sure.
00;01;02;34 - 00;01;27;08
Unknown
I mean, the most important thing about this is why lessons are like ineffective in terms of frequency. One they're expensive, but two, like most people, will only come in once a week. Yeah. Say like it's usually like the structure of like a half hour or an hour. Well, if you're coming in once a week for an hour, that's not enough, because it's all about what you're doing outside of there.
00;01;27;12 - 00;01;47;06
Unknown
So it's like people think because they come in for an hour week, that's like, oh, like they're getting better, they're getting their working. It's like, no. And like that's not the important part. The important stuff is everything else that's going on in the first place. And then you'll get like you'll get the parents who bring their kids in like, like, oh, Johnny has a game in an hour, but came here to get our lesson.
00;01;47;06 - 00;02;07;45
Unknown
And it's like, no, Johnny should be resting before a game. And, like, not waiting until the day of to review this shit. He needs to learn. Like, Johnny should be doing that every single day. I mean, it's just like no one gets the reps in when they're outside of the building at most. Yeah, very few are like the stuff they need to.
00;02;07;46 - 00;02;21;22
Unknown
So it's like as you get older it's more so like it's not what you're going to do in a lesson. Like a lot of guys go to programs where like they're part of like a group program, like that's fine. Like that's like more beneficial than doing lessons at a certain point just for the fact that you're doing more and it's more frequent.
00;02;21;31 - 00;02;38;31
Unknown
Yeah. So it's like the fact that someone could be doing like 3 to 4 days a week or 3 to 5, whatever the program structure is, they're going to have their throwing stuff and they're going to have a lift included with that. And that stuff is the more important bulk of it. Instead of just throwing in front of someone and like getting troubleshooting steps all the time, for sure.
00;02;38;36 - 00;02;57;34
Unknown
And it's like your rate of improvement as a player is going to be so much slower from just coming in once or twice a week, and just do it like, because like we've seen it, we've had kids that we give giving lessons to for like a year and like they get better. Well, the problem is it's just slow it.
00;02;57;37 - 00;03;14;00
Unknown
That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So much slower. And it's really it's like there's rare there's rare times where I have a lesson where I give them homework and they actually do it because I give them homework all the time, but they don't do it. Yeah. Every single lesson, it's like, hey, like, this is what we need to work on at home.
00;03;14;00 - 00;03;43;01
Unknown
Like, this is like, and you probably say the same thing, but it's like saying that all my lessons, it's like, dude, I try to explain them every single time. It's like, what we're doing in here is important. Like, this is where you're going to really feel out what you're doing wrong. But it's like, take these drills that I'm teaching you and do them when you're at practice or when you're playing catch with dad or your buddies in the yard, like you have to do it outside of just coming here once a week and it really leads into the next thing.
00;03;43;01 - 00;04;12;58
Unknown
It's like you're if you're coming in once a week, like every week for a year, you're not going to get bad. But like, it's not actually going to take to the next level because at a certain point it just becomes so repetitive where like people just take orders, they don't think and part of it is if you're going to do something like that, you don't need like your guy or whoever it is to like tell you what to do step by step, like, yeah, go do this drill.
00;04;13;00 - 00;04;32;03
Unknown
Like then we're going to do this like the progression. Like, that's not necessary and your guy's not needed for that. So like if you're a pitcher right. If you're a pitcher, there's no reason that the warm up should be part of your 30 to 30 minutes to an hour lesson that you get. And like, that's what it is all the time, because people don't prepare before they come in.
00;04;32;04 - 00;04;51;43
Unknown
They show up at the time and then it's like, oh, well, and you're not going to skip the stretch, right? So now you're at the condenser when it should really be like closer to a half hour to do all their stuff. Yeah. And then before you throw yeah. Like if they have a half hour lesson, it's like you obviously want to try to condense the stretch, the stretch a little bit.
00;04;51;57 - 00;05;12;56
Unknown
And even that, that takes what like ten minutes and one. That's not enough time. Well yeah. Most pitchers at that like at a younger age too, or like I'm even older, like there's really not that many people doing our pitching lessons. Yeah, it's really like more half hour. Like our stuff is usually more like hitting, fielding stuff, but like, for whatever reason, like pitchers come in for half hour for lessons.
00;05;13;04 - 00;05;30;34
Unknown
Yeah. And honestly, an hour is nice because then you don't have to rush the warm up. But part of it is for throwing progression. But it's not even necessary to have that. And that's what I was going to go with it. You're only need it for 15 minutes. Yeah. And like you should they should be preparing before they actually come in and know what to do.
00;05;30;34 - 00;05;54;29
Unknown
Exactly. Like if they show up early, they see we're in another lesson like go to go to some space in another cage, like do your warm up. It's like, but not everyone's gonna get the most out of it that way. Everyone's so used to just being told what to do though. Yeah, like it's almost like I feel like coaches have failed because the IQ like just in general, the game has been so dumbed down where it's go do this, this, this, that.
00;05;54;34 - 00;06;12;12
Unknown
And like, no player knows how to think for themselves. Like, okay, it's time to get ready. Like let me get started. Like no one really does that. They just wait to take their orders. Yeah. It's like, I'm for my lesson. I'm going to be told what to do and like, yeah, you're going to listen. But at the same time, like there's things that you should be doing.
00;06;12;12 - 00;06;26;37
Unknown
It's like, you know what I'm going to say? I'm going to say, go do this x, y and Z. And like I'm going to watch and you don't need to watch every step of the way though. It's like, I don't need to watch you do arm circles 100%, dude. Like and at that point it's just going through the motions.
00;06;26;46 - 00;06;47;59
Unknown
Exactly. It really is just going through the motions. They're like they're mindlessly just doing what they're told. And like, hey Johnny, go do your ten reverse throws into the playa wall. And it's like, oh, like, Porsche use like, you know what? Yeah, you know what? You know what you need to use. Yeah, I don't need to tell you.
00;06;48;04 - 00;07;02;15
Unknown
It's like, oh, dude, we're like, he's like, you'll get there. Like, how do I do that? Like repeat. Like every single week. You do it every single week. Yeah. It's like the same band exercise. It's like you got to do this like, what do I do? How do I do it? Like, dude, I've showed you like 17 times.
00;07;02;15 - 00;07;26;38
Unknown
So, so funny story about like that example specifically the band I started. I never told you your dad about this, but like, I started running an experiment with all my guys. No, I don't I haven't been telling them what to do when it comes to bands. I just say like, after what? Yeah, after we go through, like our dynamic, I'll tell them like, all right, like go grab bands.
00;07;26;43 - 00;07;46;56
Unknown
They put it in the wall and then they just look at me and pretty much every one of them, they just wait. There's maybe like there's maybe 5 or 6 kids that start doing stuff that actually remember the warm up and start doing stuff and like, funny enough, those are the kids that have one been with me the longest and two have actually gotten better.
00;07;46;56 - 00;08;05;26
Unknown
Yeah. So it's like, dude, most of those kids just like, I kid you not, they put these bands on the fence and they just stare at me waiting for orders and it's like, it's crazy. So I stopped telling them, like, what to do. I'm like, you remember this? Go through the bands and it's like their wheels spin for a little bit.
00;08;05;26 - 00;08;27;19
Unknown
Some of them are just kind of dumb. Yeah. And it's like, I had no problem. But usually they end up remembering it. And like every single exercise down to a T, they end up remembering it's just like, oh, I actually have to think about it. They don't think, they don't think, they don't think. But like, we're not we're not against people coming in and getting one on one.
00;08;27;19 - 00;08;45;17
Unknown
We're not at all like I personally think that like group training, not bad at all because you're going to get a lot of stuff and it's gonna be more frequent. There's gonna be more stuff going on then like there's the other side of it where it's like, if you're doing one on one, you should like have a built out thing with someone already 100.
00;08;45;26 - 00;09;03;57
Unknown
It's like, even if it's just you're getting homework from the person that you're training with, like make sure like they're doing something where it's like or like you're in some type of program designed for you where it's like, go do this, okay? Like on the day of that, you're going to be throwing like, we're going to be together for this because now it's like we did all our stuff.
00;09;04;02 - 00;09;25;51
Unknown
Let's see, like what's actually coming out. Well, you did all your drill work that you're supposed to do. You knew how to do that. Like, a lot of those things are self-explanatory. You don't needed to have a person there. There's times where there is going to be a person for it and like they might see something different or like you video it and then you review it like that's different than like that 30 minutes to an hour that you have where you're spending all that money like once a week.
00;09;25;51 - 00;09;56;00
Unknown
It's like, that's not going to change things. It's everything else that you're doing outside of the session. Yeah. And it's like you get to a point even like on our end where you know, you have 30 minutes to an hour. So all the stuff that you really have to do, like there might be one thing you really need to do when I say one thing like someone can't move a certain way, there's one drill that you guys should do for literally an hour nonstop or one movement that you just continuously do until it becomes like second and sometimes it's not UK small thing.
00;09;56;00 - 00;10;17;06
Unknown
Yeah, and you can't do that and you can't do it because whoever's paying for it is going to be really confused and have questions on what the hell you guys just did because you didn't throw. You didn't hit like it looks like you kind of were just doing a weird exercise for an hour or a half hour, and it's like, you know, you can't do that because then they're going to not like it.
00;10;17;06 - 00;10;39;53
Unknown
Like they're not going to like the product, like they want to see you doing like x, y, z. You almost have to put on a show. Exactly. And like on our perspective, it's like, yes, we do what we're supposed to like. I'm not going to say like, we don't avoid that. Yeah. But like you also know from the kids perspective that kid's not getting like whatever work actually throwing or like hitting or whatever the case might be.
00;10;39;58 - 00;10;57;20
Unknown
So like, not only can you not just do that, even though they have to, they have to do the other stuff because they're not doing it anywhere else. You know what I mean? So it's like everything gets condensed into that time frame. The most important thing gets thrown to the side because you can't because they have to do the other stuff.
00;10;57;25 - 00;11;27;13
Unknown
So it's like you're not getting enough at all when like very serious, it could be taken care of just getting it programed out. And it's not even like to sell anything really. It's just the truth. It's like you have to be doing more than one hour a week or whatever workouts you're doing or whatever. Like you have to dedicate probably on a minimum of like two hours a day to working at your craft, whether it's like throwing related, hitting related, lifting related, whatever it is.
00;11;27;13 - 00;11;43;58
Unknown
Like all of that combined together like two hours should be suffice to get all your work in where it's like the little drill stuff that you did in your lesson. Instead of doing them in your lesson, you did it before your lesson. And like, those are the reps that you need constantly, because that's what's gonna make the difference when you actually go to do the stuff.
00;11;44;03 - 00;12;03;32
Unknown
Yeah, dude. Yeah, it honestly hit the nail on the head with that one. You really did. It's like, yeah, like show up, like at home, do your pipe work, do your do your shit, do your med balls. And when we come in, when we, when you come in, you're ready to go. Like, I'm speaking from a, pitching lesson perspective of.
00;12;03;35 - 00;12;26;07
Unknown
It's like, the most important thing I do with kids is honestly just review their video of their mechanics, like 90% of the kids that they need, because they actually need to see what they're doing wrong. What would you say that we have to teach them how to think, not how to just take orders? Yes, absolutely. Because how do you diagnose what you're doing?
00;12;26;12 - 00;12;45;57
Unknown
You have to understand what you're doing. Exactly. So it's like, I feel like that gets glossed over a lot where people don't actually teach what and why you're doing it. They just tell people to do it. Yeah. That's why I like going back to the video thing that I was talking about. It's like, I want them to understand why I'm having them do a certain drill.
00;12;45;57 - 00;13;04;00
Unknown
Why I'm having them, you know, move their body a certain way, giving them a specific cue. It's like, dude, this is what you're doing. This is how we fix it. You give them the tools and you treat them like an adult. Doesn't matter how old they are. Yeah, whether they're five years old or 15 years old, it doesn't it doesn't matter.
00;13;04;02 - 00;13;23;39
Unknown
Because from my perspective. Right. You tell them why they're going to a certain spot. Right. Throwing. Why are they missing arm side. Like that's like that's a symptom of what. Like what. What could that be possibly. Could be. Yeah. It could be a lot of things. Could be a late arm. Could be, you know, you stride across your body.
00;13;23;39 - 00;13;45;52
Unknown
Yeah. For every everyone it's different. Where what if you're yanking it left like your right handed pitcher. You're yanking it on the opposite side of the plate. Yeah, you could be early. You could be your stride could be too short. Like multiple kids have those same problems. But the diagnosis is different for everyone. And you kind of have to understand what it could be.
00;13;46;01 - 00;14;06;13
Unknown
So then you have to, like, know what your body's doing. And you do understand it exactly. Like it's not just, oh, I'm doing this, okay, now I can fix it. It's like, no, right. This is happening in game. Like, what is your focus like your cues that you're trying to do every time. And it's like, okay, if I'm missing this way, it could be a couple different things for me.
00;14;06;13 - 00;14;29;07
Unknown
What is it most likely to be? Now let me focus on a different cue to try changing it 100%. And it could be that cue doesn't really get them to like, it could be something so outrageous, like the real versus feel thing where like whatever their extreme is makes a slight change, but it's the right change and they have to figure that out because like, I can tell you to do something and what to feel you can try doing.
00;14;29;07 - 00;14;45;56
Unknown
It doesn't work. If you try something extreme, that's not the same thing. It might work. And just knowing how to do that. Yeah. And it's like all on the opposite side of that. It's like you don't want to get cued up to the point where you're like, you get like shooting, oh, you, you also you can't think about like 35 thing.
00;14;45;56 - 00;15;07;30
Unknown
You can't think about 35 things at once. And that's where like that's where lessons are really good because obviously they're coming. They're paying to have to have someone tell them what's wrong with them, what their diagnosis is. Yeah. And it's like, okay, this is what you need to do. And then it's like, it's just going back to what we said before, just taking it outside of the lesson setting.
00;15;07;35 - 00;15;32;54
Unknown
And it's like the cue thing, the cue thing. So interesting because sometimes cues don't work with kids. No, like everyone's everywhere. If for them it's too it's they're still trying to figure out how to move their body. Yeah. So like some kids are farther along than others just because they're more coordinated at that age where it's like a lot of like people don't start to really become baseball players until they're like 16, 17 when they start to actually mature physically into like a million.
00;15;32;54 - 00;15;50;35
Unknown
Yeah. So it's like at that point they get more coordinated, they can move better. The A little bit stronger. And it's not like they're Gumby anymore. Like they can actually move. So usually the super tall kid, everyone usually loves them because it's like they should be so good in big. They usually stink until they get older because it takes them longer.
00;15;50;35 - 00;16;15;33
Unknown
True. Yeah. It it it it takes them longer to develop their literally grow into their body. Yeah. Like they don't know how to move for a long time. So it's very rare. You see a giant person at a young age who's like really good. Yeah. It's it's it's rare few and far between for sure. But like another interesting thing like obviously, regarding this whole topic, first lessons, like the first time you ever see a kid, it's like you're not doing anything.
00;16;15;33 - 00;16;37;36
Unknown
You're not doing anything. And like some people try to get right in stuff, it's like you have to see what the person really like. If you don't see what the kid does, you're like, you're failing them already. It takes it's an evaluation. It takes like 2 to 3. I'd say two usually, but sometimes up to three lessons. Like for me to really understand how a kid moves and like why he moves this way.
00;16;37;40 - 00;16;57;54
Unknown
And then it's like from then we can start to really hammer out what, like what they need to do to get better and maybe just process slow. Yeah. It's no, you. Know, that's true though, because it's like the sample size of you seeing someone throw like one time they might have been on that day. Yeah. Exactly. The next time you see him, it's like, what's going on?
00;16;57;54 - 00;17;16;55
Unknown
That's what I'm trying to say. Well, let's say like same thing like, like, doesn't matter whether it's hitting. Fielding like pitching. Like it's all the same. Yeah. And like some common symptoms like for hitters. Right. A lot of it's like, oh, like they roll over. Well, why'd you roll over? Like, are you sitting back like, are you turning through.
00;17;17;00 - 00;17;35;37
Unknown
Are you extending too early? And it's like you start to talk to him. So that could be awkward. Yeah. And you start to talk them through like, what's going on? It doesn't matter what it is like baseball related. Like there's always a diagnosis to the symptoms of like what's wrong. And like you get to a certain point where it's like the actual physical skill isn't what matters.
00;17;35;37 - 00;17;53;02
Unknown
It's the thought process to make the adjustments, like all of what you're supposed to be learning in your lessons or in your training, is how to think. If you know how to think like when you're in game, all that matters is how you perform. So you have an at bat against someone, right? Say you're a hitter for this example, you're a hitter.
00;17;53;07 - 00;18;08;51
Unknown
You've had two awful swings and you know exactly what you did. And it's like you fouled off super, super early. Oh crap. Like I know what he's throwing me. How do I make the adjustment? Okay, I felt this. You got to make it quick. If you can't make quick adjustments you're not going to last in this game. Yeah.
00;18;09;02 - 00;18;26;14
Unknown
Even as a pitcher, you keep missing arm side. Why am I missing arm side? Do you just keep throwing? Or do you think about what you have to do differently? Well what happened? Did you go to port now like you have to make quick adjustments? Because what happens if you walk two three batters? Yeah, they got the bullpen up like so.
00;18;26;14 - 00;18;43;17
Unknown
Everything comes back to you have to make your adjustments in game. How do you make adjustments if you don't know what you're doing and you have to know what you're doing, you have to know why you're doing it. And it's like just connecting everything that you've been working on training wise, what the symptom could be, the cause of like like, why is that happening?
00;18;43;17 - 00;19;06;26
Unknown
Okay. This is why it's happening now. Let's go make the adjustment necessary. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Baseball. It's really hard. Yeah. And like, I love what you said about, like, going back to what you do training wise, because that's really what it is. Yeah. I don't want like don't get it confused when you're in a game like just taking a pitching standpoint, the last thing you should be thinking about is your mechanics.
00;19;06;26 - 00;19;25;09
Unknown
Like every single thing. No, you do it all so that when you go, you perform. But that's what I'm saying is, like, you do it so many times and you work on the actual right thing, the actual right thing. So then it's like that split second. So you step off the mound, you just walk four straight guys on arm side fastballs, you step on the man, you're like, okay, I remember why I'm doing this.
00;19;25;13 - 00;19;45;22
Unknown
Remember that? Like this cue or this feel whatever. Shut the brain off and go back into complete mode. And it's like you've done it so many times outside of the game or just second nature. Yeah, well, I mean, shining example honestly, is if you guys want to go have a, have a laugh and see some of like what we're doing with, one of my good friends, Pat, he's an electrician.
00;19;45;27 - 00;20;01;58
Unknown
He hasn't thrown a baseball since, like, fourth grade. And like, we're teach him how to, like, pitch now, but, like, there was one day in Pacific where we did a bunch of drill work, like, just drill work straight up going into, like, him getting on the mountain stuff. Yeah, he threw way better after the first week looking absolutely atrocious.
00;20;01;58 - 00;20;16;14
Unknown
Horrible. But the whole time we were still doesn't look great. Yeah, but we were just drilling him to death and then like, it was like we told him, don't think, just throw. And it's like, dude, you did everything to make it so you can throw well or better than what it was. So it's like, that's what's making the difference.
00;20;16;14 - 00;20;35;47
Unknown
Like, you do all that stuff, you think about it while you're doing it, you're done doing those drills. When it's time to throw, just throw. You did all the reps of like, what's broken down like you did it. Now just go do it. Your body doesn't just forget now it's muscle memory. It's muscle memory. It's like, yeah, you do it.
00;20;35;52 - 00;21;02;27
Unknown
If you do something 100 times in a row thinking about it consciously, and then you go to do the same thing, not thinking about it, probably going to do the same thing, probably going to do the same thing. It's just it's muscle memory and it's like it's just it. And honestly, like, I don't want to go too long with this, but it does come back to shortcuts because a lot of kids, especially nowadays, they just want like, hey, I want one lesson.
00;21;02;27 - 00;21;21;21
Unknown
I want to gain five miles per hour. One lesson I want to gain 20mph to my eggs. No one has the patience, really. No one as the patients, no one as a patient. And it's like the game. Will we those kids out like that as soon as they get to high school? Dude. They're done. Do you have any, tips for anyone before we wrap this up, commit to something.
00;21;21;25 - 00;21;50;15
Unknown
Don't look for the short answer. Just like commit to a process, get a second opinion, and just it's execute. And don't be a don't be a robot and take orders all the time. Think for yourself. My tip for you guys would be make sure whatever coach you have, they're actually teaching you how to think. Like, if they're not teaching you the IQ of why you're doing something if they don't have a reason why you're doing something, look deeper into it.
00;21;50;15 - 00;22;08;49
Unknown
Yeah. And question them because they shouldn't. No one should just give people things without giving them a reason. Absolutely. If they can't explain the reason, then it's not valid. It's not valid. And like if you don't like the reason or you don't understand it, keep asking until you do. Because if it doesn't make any sense, you shouldn't do it.
00;22;08;51 - 00;22;27;15
Unknown
If it makes no sense to you, you need to know why you're doing it. Yeah, if you if you don't be afraid to ask questions to the people that are teaching you. Yeah, like don't get lessons from a just trust me bro guy. No, no, you have to give whether it's lessons or like in writing or training or it's like anything in life.
00;22;27;15 - 00;22;45;37
Unknown
Anything in life, like literally like work. It doesn't matter. Like you should do something with a purpose. You not being brainless, like, learn the IQ of it. Like think about why you're doing it and try to understand it. So then when you go to make your adjustments, it's a lot easier. So like make sure you do homework on your coach like question him.
00;22;45;37 - 00;23;07;24
Unknown
It's not disrespectful. Like really like, hey, I actually want to know why we do this I don't know. Yeah. That's all it has to be. And if he has a problem with it, then that shows everything about him. He's insecure. He doesn't have an answer. He just has been around the game long enough where it's like he just did all this stuff, or like he was just told to do this stuff so he doesn't know why it's being done.
00;23;07;28 - 00;23;25;19
Unknown
He just saying do it. Yeah. So yeah, 100%. Guys, thank you for tuning in to this one. If you want to see any other content that we make, go ahead and check out our YouTube page. If you have any suggestions for future stuff you want us to make, go ahead, leave it in the comments. As always, like subscribe, share this video.
00;23;25;24 - 00;23;26;30
Unknown
Catch you on the next one.