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The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase takes you inside the reality of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) through the lens of football and rodeo. With firsthand experience in one of the most punishing sports, Paul shares stories, the lasting effects of head trauma, and the fight for awareness and support.
This is the Head Rush Podcast with Paul Fraze and Corey Berry.
Welcome to the Head Rush Podcast. I'm Paul Fraze, and I played 11 years in the NFL, and our co-host, Corey Berry, rode professional rodeo for nine years. And at the Head Rush Podcast, we talk about everything related to brain trauma and brain health and wellness. We focus on traumatic brain injuries sustained through repeated head impacts and repeated blast exposure for our men and women who serve in the armed forces. We talk about traumatic encephalopathy syndrome and chronic traumatic encephalopathy,
CTE.
And I haven't mentioned-
We cover how traumatic brain injuries can and will cause mental health issues such as depression, addiction, lack of executive function, memory loss, even suicide ideation, as well as a degenerative neurological issue. What's our mantra, Paul?
It's how to cope and find hope. I, I think I've r- remembered that over the last year and a half. We focus our energy on finding ther- therapies and sharing hope through education and by raising awareness. Please like, subscribe, share, do all those things to help the algorithm to help us get the message out.
Corey, would you like to introduce our guest tonight?
Well, he's been on this show before, and they're actually sponsoring, and maybe later on in this podcast we'll talk about their sponsorship and what they're gonna offer. But I don't know if we're at that point yet. Um, with the Head Rush Foundation, that will be up to Mr. Paul Fraze.
Um, but I want to introduce a friend from Ambio Life Sciences. Trevor Millar is a social entrepreneur with over a decade of experience providing ibogaine therapy. He is responsible for various aspects of Ambio's operations and communications. He previously served as a board member and co-founder of the Canadian Psychedelic Association. I can't believe they actually got a psychedelic association.
And 2018 to 2021 on the board of directors of Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies. That I can believe. Welcome to Canada.
Well, they're, they're progressive when it comes to plant-based medicine, obviously.
Right. Where he acted as chair of board for over two years. Trevor was featured in award-winning documentary about using magic mushrooms and iboga to treat addiction, anxiety, depression, called Dose, which r- released in 2019. He was also part of the new one that you can see on Netflix called In Waves And War, about the study of the Navy SEALs and Special Force guys that went to Stanford, and then down to ibogaine and back, and what it did for them.
Trevor, welcome back to the Head Rush Podcast.
Nice to be back. Thanks for having me. Wish I was there in person again.
Good, good to have you. And, and, and, and for the audience and the listeners, go watch those movies, and to really get a great, great introduction to Ambio Life Sciences, and to the, the art of, uh, plant-based medicines. And, uh, Trevor, good to have you back. We know politics moves at a snail's pace most of the time. Um, you, you know, the plant-based medicine world had a big, uh, a big win, uh, a few months back with the executive order. Um, and the executive order, uh, basic, very basic, basically, uh, really ex- uh, gave, um, an acceleration to research for plant-based medicines. It's not only for ibogaine, it's, uh, is it for psilocybin as well, and other-
Yeah. It was, um... Basically, ibogaine did have a little piece carved out in it, but it was for
advancing
multiple different plant-based medicines that are already in the clinical trial process, that were already actually given breakthrough therapy status by the FDA. But it's kind of giving them even an extra kick in the butt. And then ibogaine in particular has $50 million now federally allocated it, to it for research. And it also affected the scheduling of those substances. So normally you would put a drug through, like these are all Schedule 1 or II, or who knows, mostly Schedule 1 substances. You would take them through the drug development process, then they get FDA approval, then they have to wait for DEA approval. But this EO also says that as soon as they have gone through the clinical trial process successfully, you don't e- don't even have to wait for complete FDA approval. They're gonna start the process to reschedule them as soon as a successful clinical trial has been completed it sounds like.
What, when you say rescheduling them, does that make it, put it in a different category that lessens the burden of proof? Or, or not burden of proof, but, uh, what, what is that?
Yes.
It lowers it down from a felony.
Basically Schedule 1, Schedule 1 means that it's got... And Schedule 1 is the most illegal a drug can get in the States.
Okay.
And it means that it has no- Medical use and there's a high rate of abuse. And everybody that knows anything about these substances knows that there's tremendous medical use-
Mm-hmm
... and there's a very low risk of abuse. So it's basically saying, which if it stays Schedule 1, even if it goes through clinical trials, it's gonna be impossible to get, 'cause it's still illegal. So as soon as it successfully goes through the clinical trials, they will move to quickly reschedule it to II, III, IV, who knows, but, uh, make it so that it is illegal and that barrier is dropped pretty quickly.
Well, and la-
Any movement? Yeah, go ahead.
And last time we talked, Trevor, there was, like, 28 states invested in it. I know Texas gave some money into the research. How many states are now vested into the research statewide?
I think it's still around the same. If it, if it was 28 when we last spoke, maybe one or two have been added. But, um,
yeah, I think the state initiatives really had a lot to do with it being recognized federally, so did, uh, Brian Hubbard and Joe Rogan
have a lot to do with that. But... And, and Brian Hubbard's the guy who's been quarterbacking everything on the state level. But I think s- Texas has still ponied up the most money. There's, uh, you know, 5 million here, 5 million there, but Texas seems to really be leading that still. And ultimately, I think this organization, Amer- a nonprofit called Americans for Ibogaine, of which Brian Hubbard is the CEO, I think the intent is still really to have them quarterback the whole initiative so that, yeah, that federal money
gets used wisely, and so does all the state money get used wisely, so n- everybody's not stepping on each other's toes or duplicating the same studies.
It would just be a matter of, uh, yeah, maybe you study this, you study this, so try and get it across the finish line a little bit quicker through that quarterbacking.
Now, you mentioned, uh,
Bill, and you mentioned, um... Oh my God, Joe Rogan.
I heard, uh, Governor Rick Perry, our former governor here in Texas, had a big thing to do with bringing it to Texas. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Yeah, 100%. So, you know, to, to take it all the way back, um, a whole bunch of m- a whole bunch of states sued Big Pharma for their role in the opioid crisis. They won, and a whole bunch of money was allocated to a whole bunch of states to try and make better
all the damage that they've caused. So in Kentucky,
what's called the Opiate Abatement Fund, a man by the name of Brian Hubbard was put in charge of that Opiate Abatement Fund, and he said, "I would love to do this, but you need to
be open to me looking at alternative solutions." So when he started looking for alternative solutions, ibogaine came on his radar as a way to potentially help, because ibogaine's very good at helping people overcome opioid use disorder. It gets you through that affliction virtually overnight without the painful withdrawals that can normally take weeks or months.
Wow.
And-
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Brian had a favorable political atmosphere from which to do that, until he didn't.
Mm.
And when he didn't, uh,
I think ironically, a Democrat gov- governor came in and shut the project down and fired Brian, and Brian quickly
was... He'd already met former Texas governor, Rick Perry. Rick Perry had become a fan of ibogaine because what he had seen it do to help veterans. In particular, Marcus Luttrell, the lone survivor, who he met in San Diego one fine afternoon. When he met him, he said, "Hey, if you're ever at the, in Texas and wanna pop by the governor's mansion, sure do," or, "Please do." And I guess a lot of p- he says that to a lot of people. Most people don't take him up on that, but Marcus showed up with a bag in hand and basically- ... didn't hear- leave for a couple of years. And the governor and his wife did what they could to help nurse him back to health. And nothing really helped until Morgan Luttrell, his twin brother, stumbled upon ibogaine, ended up taking it. It was helpful for him. He's a congressman now. And, um,
then Marcus eventually came down. And
it was really seeing Marcus come back, and I recently spoke to the governor about this, and I said, "What was it that changed?" 'Cause Marcus seemed to kinda have his stuff together. He wasn't so far gone. Uh, he was participating in society. He was, uh,
you know, on the s- he had a hit, uh, you know, a, a bestseller. He was featured in a movie played by Ma- Mark Wahlberg.
But I said, "Governor," like, "what changed?" And the governor said, "Marcus was always sad.
And after Ibogaine, he wasn't sad anymore."
Wow.
That sadness just completely lifted. So that sold the governor on it, and then the governor did some research on his own, came down here to Ambio, saw
what a whole bunch of other veterans went through, saw their improvement.
And then this was way before kind of anything was happening in Kentucky. Um, the governor went through his own Ibogaine treatment, which he's been public about now, got brain scans before and after on his own brain. His pre-brain scan was a normal kind of 72-year-old brain. His post-brain scan, his neurologist said he had the brain of a 45-year-old.
And then when all of this started happening in Kentucky, he got be- behind that, and when it got shut down in Kentucky, he said, "Hey, let's try and do something in Texas." So Brian then, who is a very well-spoken Kentuckian, um, came in and they, they basically made some miracles happen in conjunction with Veteran Solutions, uh, Vet Solutions, Amber and Marcus Capone, Marcus being a former Navy SEAL that set up this nonprofit to get a lot of veterans through. Marcus Luttrell was involved in that initiative, so was his wife Melanie. But there was just basically a full court press to get Ibogaine
researched in Texas, and they were successful with that. A bill was signed allocating $50 million to Ibogaine's research. And then a nonprofit was formed, Americans for Ibogaine. Brian Hubbard's the CEO. Marcus Luttrell,
Mel Luttrell, Rick Perry all sit on the board. And they then
duplicated or, or kind of advised and did kind of a cookie-cutter solution in a whole bunch of other states to raise the same kind of money, or raise money, nobody's come to the same kind of money, to get other states to look at this. And then
Joe Rogan comes into the picture because Brian Hubbard and Brian and, uh, Rick Perry have appeared together on Joe Rogan twice,
and in the last appearance,
Joe Rogan basically said on air that he would do what he could to, uh-
Hmm
... to get this in front of the president. And then
afterwards, Brian pressed Joe on that, and, uh, the way Joe tells the story is he texted the president, said, "Have you heard about this Ibogaine stuff? You should take a look at it." And the president texted back and said, "Do you want FDA approval? Let's do it." And then- ... a few short weeks later, as I'm told, there were, uh, a bunch of people in the Oval Office to sign this executive order. I've said for years that, uh,
that what Ibogaine needs is a magic wand.
Hmm.
And I also said alongside that, there seems to be a lot of magic wands laying around these days. And sure enough-
Hmm
... uh, the president waved his magic wand and got a whole bunch of attention on Ibogaine that wasn't there before. I say it's like, um, I've been dating the ugly duckling for a long time. Ibogaine is obscure even in this, in this obscure world of psychedelic therapy, and now Ibogaine is the pretty girl at the ball that everybody wants to dance with.
Well, uh, Canada needs a magic wand, uh, up, uh, up there right now with the fires, that's for sure. And, uh-
Yeah
... yeah, I'm, I'm sure you still have a lot-
Well, Oregon has major fires. California has major fires. I mean, we got-
Uh-huh
... fires going on everywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that, so that's, that sounds like a screenplay for the next movie, of course. Uh, but w- is... Regarding the executive order, has there been any advancement or progress, or are they really just, uh, doing the nuts and bolts and trying to figure out how to, how to, uh, you- an IRB, I guess they c- call it, uh, investigational-
Yeah, the-
... INB, and, uh, the, you know, the clinical trial, how would, how that would look?
Yeah. So
I know for, for sure that Morgan Luttrell is really doing his best and dedicating a lot of time and energy into making sure this happens and happens correctly. Um,
you know, when an EO like that is signed, it seems like there's a bunch of franticness and trying to figure stuff out, and then
who knows where it goes. I think it is being ushered in by well-meaning people, and then there's kinda
the other people.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
You know? So we'll see how it goes.
Everybody trying to figure out-
I'm not worried about it
... how to get their piece of the pie.
Yeah. I'm really just doing all I can to solidify our operations here in Mexico. I think there's always gonna be a need for this in Mexico. I think the pricing's always gonna be a little bit better. You know, even if, even if insurance in the States eventually covers this, I think insurance companies are gonna like what we're doing here in Mexico a lot better.
Right.
And there is some kind of a, an agreement. As long as you're within 50 miles of the border, you can use US insurance, I think. Something like that, 50 or 100...
Pardon me. Or 100 miles or something like that.
So we were kind of
jockeying to make sure we were at the table in the discussions.
And that was kind of driving us crazy, so we just stepped back, and we're like, "You know, it's, it's probably gonna fail a few different ways before it's gonna be successful." And at the end of the day, at the end of the day, hopefully somebody is going to be successful taking Ibogaine across the finish line and getting it approved as a prescription drug.
Mm-hmm.
Once it is approved as a prescription drug, you're gonna need Ibogaine providers, and we're the best at that.
Right.
So we're just gonna keep being the best at that and keep honing our skills down here.
I think that's-
And in Malta. We have a location in Malta
... th- that's, that's perfect. Stay, stay in your lane, and then get ready for, uh, w- what, what is to come. How many sites do you have or, or clinics do you have right now in Tijuana?
We have seven. We open our seventh in Tijuana in September, and we have one in Malta. Once all of them are open, our capacity is to treat 225 people per month.
Hmm. Hmm.
Which is crazy. It's a lot of people taking Ibogaine.
Right.
Yeah.
Sustainability From The Forest. Talk to me about that.
Yeah, so
Iboga itself, which is the plant that Ibogaine comes from, which is native to countries like Gabon and Cameroon in West Africa, um, there are sustainability issues with it. Since it has become popular in the West, uh, there's been a lot of poaching of it, and there's a great nonprofit called Blessings of the Forest, which really brought some attention to the Gabonese government, saying, "Hey, you're gonna wanna preserve this."
And therefore, there was a moratorium on exportation of Iboga for the last five, six, seven years or so. And in the meantime, there has been a lot of attention placed on setting up plantations, setting up farms, as it were. So I am told that there is a very large s- supply of Iboga from the Iboga plant that is available to be properly harvested now. My business partner, Jonathan Dickinson, he was the first and so far only person to be granted an export license for Iboga. He, he w- gained that within the last couple of years, and it is done through the Nagoya Protocol, which is a UN treaty to help avoid biopiracy and poaching, and make sure that there is profit and information sharing that goes back to the Indigenous cultures that use this medicine.
So that's that for, um, for
Ibogaine from Iboga. And then there is another plant called Voacanga africana, which has a molecule, it's in the same family as Iboga, and it has a molecule that can,
if you're a chemist, through a fairly easy chemical process, can be converted into pure Ibogaine.
Hmm.
So mo- most of us providers, for the last decade or so, have been using Ibogaine that comes from
this plant, Voacanga africana. And there is no shortage of that plant at all. So there is, there is a potential supply available of Ibogaine as it scales.
Mm-hmm.
I am told. Yeah.
Right on. So we know, we all know, and we're gonna get into talking about in, well, two weeks from today I'll be partaking in
the Iboga.
On Tuesday.
I will actually be partaking on Tuesday, right?
Yeah, you arrive... Yeah, on a Tuesday. Yeah. You arrive in the Monday group, and you take medicine on Tuesday night. At about 8:00 PM, your, the first, uh, pill will be going down your throat.
So two weeks from today. Oh my God, I just got really nervous. So we know that medicine like this needs to be studied under controlled conditions. Talk about the precautions that AMBO takes to maintain safety of your, of your clients. And I'm gonna go through the intake process, and we know that Paul got declined due to his AFib, atrial,
atrial fibrillation.
AFib.
AFib.
AFib.
And walk us through the safety process, because, you know, I talked to Nicole a little bit, and I know that Nicole has said that, uh, Dr. Torres is pretty on it, and is very right there, and will actually s- he's, he backs it 100% that if you're greenlit, you're greenlit. If you're not, you're not.
Yeah. Yeah, so,
uh, there is, um,
a cardiotoxicity potential with Ibogaine. So technically what Ibogaine can do is prolong the QT interval of the heart rate. And when you get an EKG done, there's a bunch of different waves. An EKG is basically a snapshot of one heartbeat, and there's a bunch of different waves within that. You know what a, the heart monitor looks like. And each of those waves have a different name. So the QT interval is the space in between the Q and the T, and the Q and the T, what they are in your heart, is basically the space in between your upper and lower chambers firing. And a lot of medications prolong the QT interval of the heart.
Mm-hmm.
It is very, a well-known thing. A lot of people watching might be on QT-prolonging medications. It's super common. Even, like, um-
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You know, certain medicines for indigestion might prolong the QT interval. I know methadone for, uh, opiate replacement therapy, it, it can prolong the QT interval. So what you don't want is an already prolonged QT on top of an already prolonged QT, or on top of medicine that is going to prolong the QT.
Mm-hmm.
So if, if there is, I won't say anything funky with your EKG, but certain things, if it is... Like the problem with Paul's AFib, and you brought it up, Corey, we're gonna talk about Paul's medical history now.
The problem with Paul's AFib-
Paul, hold on, Paul. Is it- HIP, HIPAA. Paul. HIP, HIPAA. Is it okay... Paul, is it okay if we talk about your medical history? Please, because I wanna, I wanna re- respond to some of the things that Trevor's saying about some drugs, uh, uh, pro- prolong the QT, and some drugs cause AFib, like R- Wellbutrin, and-
Yeah
... so on and so forth. So, uh, that, uh, is that possibly why they, uh, uh, uh, Ambio wants you off a, a bunch of medications, uh-
Yeah
... before you come down?
It could be related to the heart. Yeah, a bunch of medications affect the heart in weird ways, and it could be related to other factors, like, and I don't know if Wellbutrin falls into this.
I think it does. Um, like a lot of psych meds are serotonin reuptake inhibitors, and if that basically prevents you from absorbing serotonin back into your system as quickly as you normally would. And what that can cause when you're taking a psychedelic like ibogaine is an excess of serotonin in the system, which causes something called serotonin syndrome, potentially. And,
you know, the
serotonin sy- syndrome, the mildest symptom is you might not be able to sleep, but serotonin syndrome can also kill you. So,
so we do...
There's a lot of medications that are contraindicated with ibogaine. You might need to come off psych meds for five to 10 days prior to coming in. Um, you know, maybe you're on some kind of a blood pressure medicine. We might put you on a different blood pressure medicine while you're here. There's a bunch of, uh, there's a bunch of things that could be factored in. And,
you know, your AFib, uh, people can have AFib that's untreated and a little wobbly still, and people can have AFib that is treated. And-
Right
... so AFib is not necessarily automatically an exclusion. It kind of depends where you are with it. So-
Right
... I don't think you're completely excluded from taking ibogaine. You just need to get your AFib addressed.
Right.
And then
big picture with ibogaine is
we know enough about it now that it should not be dangerous. Like especially, you know, especially if you're not detoxing off of substances. There was just a massive paper published, or a massive kind of meta-analysis of ibogaine treatments. I think 19,000
ibogaine treatments were examined retroactively in this paper that was just published.
Hmm.
And
the, there have been deaths with i- with ibogaine, and the only deaths this guy was able to track down were all deaths due to, um, the person was detoxing off of drugs like opiates, and something went wrong there. So I think more often it's actually a drug interaction that, that is the big problem. But I think with all of the,
everything we know about ibogaine within the last 10, 15 years, we know how to screen out people that might have adverse events. So sadly that happened for Paul, and- Happily, Paul's not gonna die taking ibogaine. You know?
Well, I, I do wanna, I do wanna explore it further and see if I can do another, another ablation. And I didn't realize after an ablation, it, it sometimes takes up to three months to heal, and you really have to concentrate on staying out of stressful situations. I got into perfect sinus rhythm for the first time in 20 years, and I felt great, and then I had let something get to me really, really stressful, and it kicked me back into AFib. So, and, and Dr. C- Torres was saying, uh, th- you were talking about the cardio, uh, toxicity.
He said that's what he's concerned with, about with my type of AFib because I don't have ventricular AFib where my heart jumps into 200 beats a minute, but it's just all over the board. It's n- it's-
Yeah
... 90, a hun- you know, 90 to 100 beats, but it's just not regular.
Yeah.
And he said the danger of the c- cardio toxicity in that respect is it could... First of all, they can't treat you when you are on a journey. It's very difficult.
Yeah.
And some of these journeys are 36 hours, right? And he said, or 24 hours or whatever, and but he did say the my, my type of AFib is possible to kick into the ventricular, going from the A, the ar- ar- arterial or what- whatever, I'm, I'm butchering it, I'm sure. But he said you could get into the ventricular, and we would not be able to treat it and bring you back down. So I think the moral of the story, my story is, uh, go ahead and get the, uh, um, ablation and, uh, and stay calm and cool and collected for a few months, and come, come back to T- Tijuana.
Yeah.
So, so, um-
Yeah, you, uh, you...
I, you know, you guys were applying, and I told my whole team, "These guys are VIPs. Take good care of them." And then the doctor's like, "He's, you're VIP. We can't treat him," and he's freaking out. I'm like, "Whatever. Just tell him."
Yeah. No, he, he was-
We'll figure it out.
Yeah, he kind of felt bad he had to tell me no, but, um-
Yeah
... I, I be- I mean, believe me, I, I would better rather him err on the side of caution and, uh, and, you know, I'll just, I'll do what I need to do and, uh, and, uh, get, get... You know, I, first of all, I wanna... So Corey's got the green light, and um, from, from Ambio, and, uh, he's actually taking off from Dallas, Texas, landing in San Diego in a couple weeks. Um, what, what can he expect? What, what is the process? I, and, and, and, uh, I know-
Trevor's picking me up with a red carpet and a limousine. Personally. He's personally gonna pick me up and take me down to Tijuana. No, Trevor, here, I'll let you talk about it.
Check it if that would even be possible. I don't think the red, I don't think the red carpet's possible.
Um, yeah, so Corey will stay in a hotel
the, the night before we pick him up, and then we always do a pickup at the same hotel near the airport. And we have, uh, some very nice blacked out Chevy Suburbans to pick up our crews. He'll be in a group of up to seven people.
And, uh,
the drive down to Tijuana is only about 30 minutes from the pickup point, and then upon arrival, you will be greeted by our staff, including our host. That's the physician who is kind of the primary contact for you while you're here, and they've done the medicine and are really familiar with the process. And they'll have meals with you and take good care of you. They'll be kind of your on-site therapeutic support as well. But you'll be greeted by the host as well as the rest of the team. You'll meet everyone that's there, the kitchen team, housekeeping staff, medical staff. As has been indicated, it's fully medicalized, so there's at le- at least a nurse or paramedic on duty 24 hours a day while you're here.
Um, upon arrival you will get shown your room, and then we will help you unpack. The nurse will help you unpack. Nothing personal, but we need to make sure that there's no contraband or contraindicated items. Some people bring big ass hunting knives with them.
Oh, no.
I'm sure they can be trusted until they're high on the most powerful psychedelic on earth, then you never know. So we need to take stuff like that away or any medications that you might have. It's fair to take certain medications while you're here, as long as it's not contraindicated with ibogaine, but we take everything away, and we'll dispense anything that you need while you're here. And then you go into a circle to get to know your host and your fellow travelers for the week. We'll play a video at that point as well. You'll see my mug on the screen introducing you to the week, what you can expect, and then what you can expect of your ibogaine journey and how to best prepare for that. I'll tell you, the metaphor I use is that taking ibogaine is like getting on a roller coaster. There might be ups, there might be downs, there might be a loop, maybe a water feature or two with some purging into a bucket. Maybe a tunnel of terror, maybe a tunnel of love. None of that matters. The only real rule of roller coasters is just don't try and get off in the middle of the ride. And that's the best advice I can give people for Ibogaine as well, is just don't try and make it stop before it's ready to stop. It's completely manageable as long as you don't fight it. So just roll with it. So that video will say that as well. And then, um, after that you'll have some lunch. We've become known for our food. People feel as though we would get a Michelin star if Michelin came by. Food's incredible. After that, you will go... After lunch, you'll go into, uh, a medical intake and another EKG.
After that, you will go to a sweat lodge. Um, we found that a, a sweat lodge is a really good way to kick off the week. It's a good team building experience. It's also in alignment with this, another theme of the week, which is being comfortable with being uncomfortable. So it's got all that tied up into it. It's where warriors would go to prepare for battle. So it's a great way to kick it off. We have three different sweat lodges that we work with.
And then you'll come back, you'll have some dinner, you'll get rehydrated with an IV, you'll get some sleep. The next morning, some blood work first thing in the morning, followed by breakfast, followed by breathwork. We find breath is like a great ally, good to get reacquainted with prior to doing something like Ibogaine. It can be a great partner through the journey to reconnect with your breath. After that, you'll have another preparation circle. That time you'll watch a video with, uh, our guest experience manager, Brianna, and my business partner, Jonathan, on that video, doing more to prepare you for Ibogaine.
Followed by lunch, and then you'll fast after lunch. You won't eat anything after lunch. And after lunch, you'll have a massage. We have a great massage therapist that comes in. And you'll have a one-on-one sit down with your host to help you further prepare, answer any final questions. At about 7:00 PM, we'll give you another IV with magnesium in it to protect your heart before going into Ibogaine. At about 8:00 PM, you'll circle up around a fire, and you'll have the first dose of medicine around that fire.
We administer the medicine over four doses. So you'll get the second one about 45 minutes after the first, then the, about 15 after that, then 15 after that. At about 10:00 PM, we will ask you to be in the treatment room.
You're all in there together. Everybody gets their own mattress though, of course, and then you're hooked up to a heart monitor. And basically it's about putting on a blindfold and going deep into yourself for the next six, eight, 10 hours. Um, you're very well supported. We have a physician, at least one on site when we're, when we're administering Ibogaine. We've got a medical staff of at least four to seven paramedics, depending on the site that you're at. So very well supported throughout the night. If you need anything, you'll raise your hand. And then the Ibogaine journey itself,
you know, it is a psychoactive plant medicine, so sometimes people see things. Not everybody does, and you don't need to see things for Ibogaine to work for you. Sometimes you hear things. It's been called oneiric, which means as related to dreams.
So it's almost like a lucid dream type experience sometimes. Sometimes you get lessons. Sometimes you revisit past traumatic events. Sometimes you feel, I call them the Iboga minions, working on your brain, working on your nervous system, fixing it.
They show up in different ways, like-
Hmm
... people will describe them as Pac-Man cleaning out their brain, or minions like from the movie, or, um, you, we're all old enough to remember Fraggle, those Doozers that were always building shit in Fraggle Rock, things like that. So, um,
yeah, so weird stuff happens on Ibogaine, that's for sure. But- ... at about the 12-hour mark, you're welcome to leave the treatment room if you want. You might... You still won't have much energy for the next 12 hours. The next 12 hours is notoriously referred to as the gray day. Everybody feels pretty rough the day after Ibogaine. You're just depleted. You're as tired as you've ever been, but you can't sleep 'cause the medicine's still got you amped up. Um,
you know, you're... We encourage you to drink as you can that day, eat as you can that day. It's gonna help push the medicine through your system. But just don't expect much of yourself, and we're not expecting anything out of you as well. And then eventually that night, that next night, you'll get some sleep. It's once you get some sleep that you start feeling the benefits of Ibogaine.
And, uh, that next morning, some breakfast, into some mindful movement, get back into your body, followed by an Ibogaine debrief circle.
Then for those who would like to, we work with another compound called 5-MeO-DMT, which is referred to as the toad or the bufo medicine. It's a,
it's a shorter experience, still super powerful. Oftentimes a spiritual type experience for people for that one. And, um, it really helps people recover a bit quicker after Ibogaine.
And then after that, you're in Mexico, so you eat some tacos. We have taco night-
Mm-hmm
... that last night. And then the next morning, uh, we'll have another debrief circle, and have some breakfast, and then get you back to San Diego after that.
Yeah.
So that is Corey's full week starting in two weeks.
Oh, wait. S- so you said-
Now, I-
... meaningful... H- hang on, hang on, Corey. You said something about meaningful movement. Uh, uh, is Corey here gonna have to do yoga?
I call it mindful movement.
Mindful movement. Mindful movement.
But yeah, some stretching.
Peace-
You gotta, you gotta take a video. If you put, if you get Corey in the down dog or whatever,
posing-
It's very gentle
... okay
It's made for guys just like Corey coming out of the most powerful psychedelic experience one can conceive of, so.
Right.
I w-
Now Trevor, you're gonna be there, right? Because we're gonna talk about this in a minute, but I told my wife I was personally gonna hand you my phone to while I'm under you could text her and say I'm doing okay.
We, um, will take your phone right before we give the ibogaine, then keep it for about 48 hours, and you can give her my phone number. She can message me at any point, or
you can, uh... Your onsite host is gonna be more present. I will definitely pop by and see you. Your onsite host is gonna be more present, so it's probably best to share the host's number with your wife 'cause they can give a better update.
Okay. Yeah, because now we're gonna talk a little bit about how I got in, into this, is I got the green light by Dr. Torres, and then I had an issue here at home, went to the ER, and found out I have an aortic aneurysm.
So with this aortic aneurysm, I have gone and seen a cardiologist. I have gone and done scans. Um, I did an echocardiogram last week. Um, before that I did a CTA scan, and I sent all of them results to Dr. Torres, and Dr. Torres said you're still good to go.
Yeah.
Now, because of this-
And, and it's because of all that that you still see our cardiologist as well.
Right.
So you might just get run through another stress test while you're down here.
And so my wife un- of course says, "You know, you've lived, I've lived through your brain. If you go down there and die, I'm really gonna be pissed." And I saw something on fa- on Instagram earlier from you guys on MBO Life Sciences Instagram says, "Fatalities have decreased with ibogaine." I did not send that to her, by the way.
But,
you know, so she's a little nervous right now. Me, not so much because I've talked to Torres, I've talked to you, I've talked to Beth, I've talked to Nicole, and I feel comfortable enough. And we talk a lot, and I met with Beth and had my first
meeting with Beth last week, or Monday. I don't remember.
Beth is your coach.
Right, Beth-
So we assign a coach to everyone that comes through as well. Yeah.
R- Right. Beth is my coach, and the one thing that she has me working on this week and next week, and then I meet her again I think Wednesday of next week, is my intentions, not expectations. Don't expect a cure, but the intentions. Leave it open-ended.
And so...
And that's because I don't wanna go in there expecting any- I told her, I, I got the intention that, you know, I've talked to several people that's done this iboga, and I have done a lot of research. I've talked to you a couple times about it. I've watched Waging War again yesterday.
You know, I
am not going in this light-hearted. I am not going in this thinking that, you know, anything, but I do believe that I'm gonna be one of them that struggle and gonna have the hard time because of my childhood. It's not, I'm not gonna hear the sweet music. I'm not gonna hear the hummingbirds. I'm gonna have to deal with some past trauma through my, through my upbringing. But we just had Aleš Himský download last week, and he was talking about the minions going through his big toes and up, right up to his brain and into all of his surgeries. And I'm going, "Well, I've had 10 surgeries. I can't wait to meet these minions."
Yeah.
And so I jumped off of all of my supplements Sunday, was, or Saturday night was the last time I did all of my supplements, all my fish oils. I got off Trazodone. I got off Nuedexta. I'm struggling a little bit right now because of it. Um-
Do you know, like the Trazodone I get, the prescriptions, were you told to come off the supplements as well?
No. Um, I decided to come off of them because Beth said, "Everything you take, you need to bring the bottle." And I, and if you look at mine, I'm on 33 different things.
Yeah. Well, you know-
And I didn't wanna bring in 30-
You think about that by the time you come
... I didn't wanna-
Fish oil's pretty good for you
Right. But I didn't wanna bring 33 different items-
Yeah
... with me down, down there. So I said, "You know what? Let's hop off of the pregnenolone. Let's hop off of the supplements for two weeks." Um, the only thing I was supposed to get off of, I believe, is the Trazodone and the Nuedexta 7 to 10 days prior, and I jumped off of that. Because I do my pills a week in advance, I jumped off of that Friday night.
Good.
And so yeah, I'm s- my sleep is struggling a little bit right now because I don't have the Trazodone to help. I'm gonna take, uh,
um, melatonin tonight-
Yeah, that's good
Okay. Can we have, can we do a little coaching here?
Sure. Let's coach.
Okay. So expectations versus intentions.
Right.
So your intention can be something broad, like, "I would like to heal. I- my intent is I would like to be happier. My intent is I would like more clarity. My intent is I would like more focus." And she's correct, you should not have expectations, but I heard about seven of them as you-
He, he, he said, "I am gonna get my ass kicked. I am gonna..." You know? I mean, so get rid of those expectations, man. Just the, you, the, the, the most, w- like, we tell people all the time, "Get rid of expectations. Ibogaine is not gonna be what you think it is. It's not gonna do what you think it's gonna do." And you wanna know the most common thing to hear after Ibogaine? "Wow, it really wasn't I, what I expected it to be."
Hmm.
So that's... Like, and then we're just like, "You know, what can you do? We, we told you about 17 ways to Sunday not to expect anything," 'cause it is not at all going to be what it's like. And your trauma is never, you know, almost to the person, almost as a rule, it's not shoved into your face as something you're gonna be re-traumatized with.
Hmm.
It's put, you're, you're given it with some new perspective that allows you to heal that trauma so it doesn't have the sting anymore. Like, it's super compassionate in its way,
you know, and sometimes, you know, a, a stern grandfather is super compassionate in his way as well. But it's, uh, definitely s- n- not something to fear. You j- like I say, just don't try and get off the rollercoaster, and it's totally manageable. In the same way that you wouldn't, um-
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You wouldn't prepare to go into a surgery and then try and tell that surgeon how to do his job, and it's the same thing with Ibogaine. It's like you just need to trust that you're going in with an educated, maybe even super educated
medicine that seems to have some kind of an intelligence to it, and you just need to trust that it's gonna do exactly what you need it to do, and you're just gonna go along for the ride. But don't expect to get your ass kicked or, or-
Well, and I don't mean getting my ass-
... obviously
... and I don't mean it by getting my ass kicked, I mean it that I'm gonna have to deal with some issues that even my therapist, Crystal, has said. You know, when she goes, "Well, let's talk about your childhood," and I don't talk about it, it's like, why? I'm an adult. That was back then. I've moved on since then. So that's why I said I'm gonna m-
I believe this is gonna force me to have to go back and deal with some of the issues of my childhood.
Yeah.
Which is good.
Yeah.
And so that's why I said-
And-
... I'm gonna get my ass kicked that way, because I've been blocking it out so long, but now-
Yeah. And sometimes, like-
... I ain't got much of a choice
... I've heard, I've heard of Iboga just going, "Hey, I'm gonna put all of this in this box right here. Do you wanna look at it, or do you just want me to take care of it?"
Hmm.
So, you know-
Wow
... sometimes, sometimes it just presses that reset button without you being dragged back into it at all.
It's foolish.
So let go of the expectation.
It's pretty crazy. It's pretty cr- because I, I've always, you know, I'm not worthy. I'm not worthy. I'm, you know, the sh- the shame and guilt and whatever ha- whatever.
Yeah.
But, um, it's almost like y- what, what you're describing is a gentle, a gentle grandfather, you know, coming to express, you know, healing. You know?
Yeah.
Sure.
Yeah. And, you know, sometimes I c- I'm n- I'm not saying a gentle grandfather.
No.
I'm saying a compassionate grandfather.
A compassionate-
I'm not saying my grandfather would my butt, so
... might bend you over his knee to teach you a lesson-
Compassionate
... because you need to learn that lesson. That's what's best for you.
Right.
Ultimately, it wants the best for you, and that's, that's the crazy thing, is it seems to want more for us than we want for ourselves.
Right.
So it's okay to let it do its thing.
Mm-hmm.
That's crazy.
Well, and I got stuff down like I wanna let go of my fears.
Great. Great intention.
You know, I wanna let go of my ego.
Yeah. Great.
I wanna let go of my worthlessness, that I feel-
Yeah
... worthless since the accident, and on disability, that I'm no longer able to do the things I wanna do, and that I wanna be a bigger influence for The Head Rush, and more for that. Them are the intentions I'm going with. Um,
being more open.
Yeah. Beautiful.
You know?
And, and understanding. And that's where I'm coming in with it, because it seems like that's where I need to go with it. And the way I look at it is I've watched, I've talked to Marcus L- or Andrew Marr. Um-
Bruce
... I've watched Capone. I've watched DJ Shipley. I've watched some of the biggest badasses in the world. I've talked to people like Bruce and other athletes like Alice and other athletes that we've talked to that's gone through this.
And I tell you what, a lot of these are badasses that
have more than I will ever have. I feel I am a very moral, very standard man, but I tell you what, them guys have more strength, like my brother being a ranger, than anything, and if they can go through it, hey, I can open up and go through it too. Because I tell you what, DJ Shipley, Marcus Luttrell, Morgan Luttrell, them guys, dude- ... I don't wanna meet them in a dark alley.
Corey, yeah.
I wanna meet them on the podcast. I wanna say hi to them. I wanna be their friends.
Yeah.
But I also don't want them behind me in a fight. Not in front of me.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Corey.
You, uh... Those are all great intentions, and I'll... And you're obviously not pointed in this direction, but maybe somebody gets wisdom from this down the road. So you said, um, you know, overcoming your fear, moving beyond your fear. A horrible intention,
or
w- yeah, let's just say the flip side to that would be, why am I so fearful? Why is the worst? I've ... Dude, I had a great example of, uh, a dude, he was a Navy Seal veteran, and I,
I was hands-on with the treatments at this, when this guy came in, and as the medicine's coming on, he said, um...
I said, "How you doing?" He said, "I'm super anxious, man. I'm super anxious." Like, okay. Well, that, you know, that can happen. Let- I'll- to just breathe through it. I'll check back in, uh, on you in a few minutes.
And I checked in 10 minutes. He's like, "Man, I'm, I'm really, really anxious." I said, "Okay. Well, it's possible to give you an anti-anxiety medicine. Let me check with the doctor. I'll, I'll see what she says." I came back. I said, "Yeah, she's cool with you taking
an anti-anxiety if you want. Do you want that?" And she goes, and he goes, "Well, you know, my biggest intent was to understand my wife's anxiety better."
That's wild.
Yeah. And I-
That-
I laughed out loud, and I'm like, "Well, do you maybe wanna tell the medicine you got the lesson?" And talking about it with him the next day, a better intent would be, how can I better support my wife through her issues with anxiety? But he has to understand anxiety better, or y- I want, why am I so fearful? Or how come I'm always scared? That might just bring you into the most fearful and anxious period imaginable so you can try and understand fear better. It's better-
Hm
... how can I move beyond? How can I get more clarity? How can I, uh, live a more peaceful life? Those are better intents.
Right. How can I be more for my wife?
Yeah.
More of a husband-
Perfect
... for my wife. I mean, that's what it all boils down to for me, and I'm really looking forward to it. I think I've, I've been doing the homework. A matter of fact, I even told Beth, I even ChatGPT'd preparing for ibogaine, and it gave me 14 questions to ask, one a day, for two weeks prior.
And-
Beautiful
... um,
what's, what do I want most out of this, and stuff like that. So I'm doing this homework, and I tell you what, it's hard, because I'm a very proud man, and a very... And that's a- another intention I would like to. That's ego. Um,
I want to get the most out of this I can, because I feel that,
damn it, if I'm gonna do it, I might as well be open and honest and go and do it, and get the most out of it. Because when we come out of it, and I get back home,
I either wanna say, "Hey, this stuff works,"
and, you know, I'm doing a lot better. My wife can preach about it. Paul can say, "Hey, he's not as much of a dick as he was."
I, I don't know what I'm gonna do without ego. The Cor- the ego of Corey Berry, the cowboy. Cowboy up.
You get to keep all the good stuff. He keeps all the good stuff.
But, you know- I wanna be, I wanna be one of them that comes back and gets something positive out of it, and not just negative. I mean, from what Alex has talked about, and if you haven't watched the episode, go back last week and watch it. It was a very, very awesome episode. The one thing I do promise you, though, I am not tattooing my journey on my thighs.
But I'll tell you, you know, and me and Alex have talked a few times since the episode.
Good.
And I'm really ... He's in Spain right now, so I gotta kind of be leery that he's seven hours ahead. Um,
but I'm really looking forward to this, and I'm thinking that I've eased my wife's mind a little bit. I am not staying in a hotel. My sister-in-law is picking me up at the airport-
Okay
... and taking me to a timeshare, and bringing me to the meeting location the next morning.
Nice. Perfect.
Because they wanna make sure that I'm not getting overburdened, I'm not doing anything. And a matter of fact, my doctor even gave me some ... What are them pills, Paul?
Um-
Uh, I'm not sure what he, uh ... I mean, n- not Valium.
Not Valium, but kind of like Valium. They're, uh
...
Just make sure they're not contraindicated with Ibogaine, whatever they are.
No, no. I've already talked to Beth about it.
Good.
And what it is, is it's ... And it's kind of funny, because I've been taking these GABA chewables.
Oh, the GABA.
Oh, nice. GABA's great, yeah.
And w- what this pill does is releases GABA.
Great. Does the GABA-
It's what I took when I went to, uh, Florida, Paul
... Does Ga- Does the GABA, uh, uh, make you, uh, sleepy?
No.
No?
Just chills you out. It's like the body's natural Valium.
Right. Okay.
And a matter of fact, I took them chewables, and I think I overdone myself Saturday, because we went to the car wash. I made it all the way through Walmart grocery shopping with the wife. Had some, had some tough moments, but made it all the way through. That's the first time since probably 2022 that I've been able to be in Walmart for an hour.
Wow. You, you should've, you should've seen us for one of the first trips I went out to T- uh, Texas, into Dallas to, to film the Head Rush, the, the podcast. Um, they let me take Corey out, and we were, we were going through Walmart, and I, I walked like... I just s- like, I sprint through stores. And, and all of a sudden I turn around, and he's like 25 feet behind me . And now I got blamed for leaving Corey in a Walmart. But, uh, so that- That's a, that's a feat, Corey, if you, uh, almost went through the whole, uh, store. So-
No, I made it all the way through.
Right.
Checked out with the wife.
Right.
And so that's a big feat. And I think this red light therapy, I think the Millennium health protocol, the Brain Well program,
I think everything I've done, the neurofeedback, working with Crystal-
Mm-hmm
... working with everything, has got me to the point. And by talking to Andrew Marr-
Adam Marr,
I think
... if you remember-
Do you mean Adam Marr, or is it his brother?
Oh, A- Andrew, Andrew's the brother that was, uh-
Oh, yeah
Cool
... he was the, the blast explosive specialist, and Andrew was the pilot, right?
Right.
Cool. And, uh-
No, Adam, Adam was the pilot. Uh, Andrew was the Green Beret.
Right.
Yeah.
And, uh, talking to him, and when I first started talking about Ibogaine and getting invested in it, he said, "You gotta go through Millennium protocol first. You gotta do the homework first. And then if you go do the Ibogaine after you do the homework and prepare yourself,
you're better off to get the results that you need instead of just, 'Hey, I got issues. Let's go do Ibogaine.'" He said, "Do the homework first. Get through some of the stuff. Get your hormones set up, get it balanced." And I'm still high cortisol, but
I'm pretty much balanced across the board except for my cortisol.
Yeah. Corey, you've been-
Awesome
... you've been, you've been doing the program re- these, all these programs that you mentioned, Millennium, and Brain Well program, and so on and so forth, you've been doing them religiously. And if anybody's ready to, uh, uh, take a sustainable journey and benefit from it, I, I fully believe, uh, you're, you're on the track. So, um, Trevor-
Awesome
... we, we, we always like to finish with, uh, something positive, but, and, and, uh, giving h- hope to our, uh, listeners. But what, um ... Is there anything we've left out that you would like to share, um, before we put you on the spot to give us a word of hope?
Um, I think that's been a pretty positive conversation already. I think, uh, it's exciting what's happening in the US. I think it'll still take a little while, but it's incredible.
It's b- you know, it's been a meme in my world ever since 2016, where people, whether they love them or hate them, are saying, "Wow, you should really get, uh, some Ibogaine in Donald Trump." And then to have, have Donald Trump-
Hey, well, that's a, that's a big ego to take away. Wow. That, that would be interesting.
To have, have the president in his office say, "Maybe I should have some," that was, uh,
pretty close. We're getting pretty close there. So I'm not gonna hold my breath, but I still think, you know, Ibogaine is something that people come to-
And feel hope for the first time in a long time, and I get to say, "Actually, your hope is really well-founded." I've seen some incredible things
Apathy. Uh, I hear, you know, watching one of the movies that I watched and so on and so forth, apathy, uh, that, that dead feeling, that dead zone feeling that you don't-
Yeah
... you don't have the emotions, you don't have what you used to have. But I'm, I'm hearing that that can go away. Some people-
Yeah
... experience that.
Yeah, 100%. It seems to be-
Well, you look at it
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Let's begin again with your brain. Paul, if you haven't watched In Waves of War in a while, I'd go back and watch it because, I mean, you- you're talking to people that wasn't... They didn't have empathy or apathy.
Right.
I mean, they, they-
Right
... were struggling. And Capone,
um, I mean, he had his son on there talking about how he got his father back.
Mm.
And the last episodes are him and his dad going surfing together.
Right.
Which you ought to do with Bella, so.
Yeah.
Um, but you look at it, you...
And that's what I'm hoping for, is because I've actually been tested.
I went through an aptitude test in 2009. On 0 to 100 on empathy, I scored a three.
Did they say- Did they say sociopath? No, you're, you're way away from that. I know that, so.
But, so yeah, I mean, these are all the intentions that I'm hoping to go for. And I mean, I don't wanna go there with a bucket lift and my sheet be 50 feet long and my burn sheet be 40 feet long. I wanna keep it simple and then let the drug do its job. But I'm going with a lot of intention to help me in a lot of ways, and I'm really praying that this helps. And I'm really hoping it also shows me the spiritual, gets me closer to my spiritual, of who I need to be with God.
Yeah. Good.
And get me more in line with God, and instead of getting the control that Corey loves to take and run with and charge with and bulldoze over with and tell you to F off, it's gonna be done my way, I'm hoping that this may teach. And by watching In Waves of War again and watching what DJ Shipley went through, and you know, it's sad that it,
it did what it did, but it's...
Man, it made him such a better person. And you know, these are the people that I would love to get on the Head Rush Podcast, people like Governor Perry talking about this after I get back with the journey, um, people like Marcus Luttrell, Morgan Luttrell, DJ Shipley. Get Brian Hubbard on from Americans for Ibogaine. Because if this does what I think it's gonna do for me, I wanna scream it from the rooftops. Just like you're gonna go do the aiming clinic, and you're gonna do the SPECT scan, correct?
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
You know, so... And I wanna go down that avenue also, but I think I'm at the point with everything I've been doing for the past two years to get better that this is the final-
Hmm
... not the final, but this is the largest step that I'm gonna have to take in order to feel something,
that, uh-
I feel a, I feel a crescendo coming on, Corey.
What's that mean?
Well-
You're talking, uh, that-
Coming up. It's coming up
... cre-
It's, it's, it's like the drums going da-da.
It's the final countdown.
Do, do, do, do.
Do, do, do, do, do.
Do, do, do, do.
That's great.
Do.
All right. So really, really, really quick.
Oh, I love that.
Really quick. If, if, if, if the US is only gonna be available, uh, to do clinical trials, and they'll, they'll take a couple years, unless they treat it like a vaccine. Uh, but uh, th- they'll, they'll, they'll, they're gonna take a while. So do, should we get Corey to get his, um, passport, and would Ambio open, uh, a place in Belize?
Anyway, that's just, that's just for-
Belize sounds nice. Sounds nice to me.
That's just th- Just thinking out loud. It, it, it's all the divers would come and, uh, get their, their fix with, uh, right?
No, the only reason why you want Belize is 'cause your girlfriend has a house in Belize, and you miss her- ... because she's in California and getting ready to go to Belize.
Oh.
That's the only reason why you wanna do it. But you know what, Paul? You don't qualify, so your ass out anyways, dude. You can't qualify
I gotta get a, I gotta get a, an ablation and, and stay, stay away from, you know-
Yeah
... the, the cowboy way for, uh, a month.
Yeah.
So all right. Trevor, awesome. Thank you.
Thanks, Paul.
Just-
Thanks, Corey.
A huge thank you.
Hey.
Yeah.
Thank you, Trevor, and thank you for everything. And by the way, we have worked it out, and we have not done the paperwork yet, people,
and we haven't figured it out, and we haven't talked to the board yet,
but what we are doing with Ambio Life Sciences is that for sponsorship, we're gonna be... And Paul, do you wanna... Is it okay to bring this up, or do you wanna wait on it?
If, if Trevor is okay with it, uh, and you guys have talked, talked about it, well, yeah, absolutely. You can, you can share.
Trevor, are you okay with me sharing about this?
Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah.
Is that what we're gonna do from here on out is we're gonna send,
have the ability, should I say, to maybe send two people a year to Ambio Life Sciences through the Head Rush podcast, the Head Rush Foundation, to get help,
uh, free of cost other than airfare and everything to get there, but the treatment will be free of cost. Correct? Is that how I should say that, Trevor?
Sounds good to me, man. It's on record now.
I mean, there's always editing, editing, Trevor, so you can do better.
That's why I'm asking is because we can edit this, so I wanted to make sure I used the right wording.
No, I think it's fine. That's, uh... I don't know. We might as well com- be completely transparent. We're gonna keep sponsoring the show, and that's how we're... That's the swap we're gonna do is we'll provide-
That's awesome
... a couple treatments to keep sponsoring the show.
And we-
Great
... sure do appreciate it, and we thank you. And, uh, this one will be downloaded next week, so this one will be downloaded the week before I go.
Great.
And so-
Love it
... and then when we come back, we'll have to do the episode on how I feel now.
The follow-up.
Cool.
The follow-up-
Sounds good
... to the Corey saga.
The integration episode.
The int- the intentions on purpose-
Yeah
... episode.
So thank you all so much. I appreciate it so much, Trevor. I can't wait to see you down in Mexico. And to tell you the truth, I am scared to death of doing psychedelics, but I'm gonna go do it.
No, you're-
I've talked to a lot of people about it, so I feel confident enough about going down and doing it. But yes, it is... I've never... I don't like being drunk. I don't like being stoned, and I don't... So this is a whole new thing for this cowboy.
It's medicine, man. It's medicine. You're good.
That's right. Hey, Paul, before I go, I do wanna bring up one thing.
Okay.
Did you see on Concussion and CTE, uh, social media today?
Uh, 42 times more likely to die from ALS before 50 years old if you play in the NFL, or what?
That was this week. No. There was another bull rider came out with CTE.
Oh, no.
A 20-year-old.
A 20-year-old.
20- 20-year-old up in Canada.
Yeah.
And he committed suicide-
Wow
... in 2020, and he was diagnosed with CTE.
Yeah.
So ladies and gentlemen, there's another one that's coming out public about it. His parent-
Well-
His mom came out and talked about it, and that's why I'm bringing it up. His name was Logan Parent from BC, and yeah, he ended up committing suicide.
Well, and this is why we have-
Okay
... podcasts like this, because we want to find... We wanna give hope. We wanna find answers. We wanna find out if this plant-based medicine is gonna, uh...
People have benefited from this, from, uh, Ibogaine, period. So-
Yeah
... why... Is there a way to combat that inflammation, that brain chemistry that's, uh, going crazy from the inflammation from repeated head impacts? You know what? Um, your... It's one step in your journey. I'm excited for you, Corey. And, uh, Trevor, thank you. Thank, uh-
You're welcome
... thank you, Ambio Life Sciences.
And with the neuroplasticity being as big as it is with this Ibogaine,
you know, Beth told me it's like day two or something like that is your neuroplasticity's on, like, hyper alert and just going to work.
The cr-
It's... You know, that's why I brought up Logan Parent, is, you know, if this works for me, we know I have suicide ideation. We know I have struggles. We know I've had all of this. If this works for me, I'm willing to shout it from the rooftop saying, "Hey, we need to get this going."
Mm. Great.
So thank you so much, Trevor. Thank you, Paul. This is another great episode.
With all, with all that neuroplasticity, you can finally learn how to knit.
Yes.
No.
Ro- Rosie Grier. Rosie Grier. Hey, yeah, the neuroplasticity-
Ooh
... that, that was the one thing that was crazy about Governor, Governor Rick Perry. He had shrinkage of the frontal lobes, and six months after the Ib- the, the... His journey, it, his brain had-
Yeah
... unshrunk.
Yeah.
What? Really? So anyway.
So Trevor, as homework for you as our sponsor, we would love to get Governor Rick Perry, Andrew Moore, or, uh, Marcus Luttrell and Morgan Luttrell on our podcast to talk about this.
I'm sure I can get at least one of them for you.
I'd appreciate it.
We'll get them to talk about themselves.
Thank you, Trevor.
All righty. Thank you.
Awesome. Thanks, guys. Take care.
Have a good one. Bye.
Great.
Stay alert.
Paul, you-
Stay alert, and stay alive.
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