Energetic Radio

Welcome back to the Energetic Radio Podcast episode 375! Hosts Dale Sidebottom and Paul Campbell dive deep into the power of vulnerability, authentic leadership, and the importance of play in life and business.

Episode Highlights:
  • Raw and Real Vulnerability: Dale shares the overwhelming response to his emotional openness in last week's episode, discussing how being vulnerable sparked meaningful conversations and helped listeners feel less alone.
  • Mental Health and Societal Pressure: Open discussion around "dad guilt", societal taboos, and why sharing our struggles can liberate not just ourselves but those around us.
  • Letting Go of Perceptions: The hosts reflect on valuing reality over perception. Paul explores how people often maintain a facade, and the freedom that comes with dropping it.
  • Play-Based Leadership in Action: Dale and Paul recap a surprising and energising corporate workshop with 240 electricians, illustrating how connection and gratitude can thrive in any setting.
  • Grit Stories: A nod to ultra-athletes and Aussie legend Cliff Young, celebrating perseverance, grit, and the attitude that power extraordinary achievements.
  • Mindset Matters: Thought-provoking banter on what’s more important: having more positive thoughts, or fewer negative ones? The hosts lean into neuroscience and personal experience, sharing strategies for cultivating presence and reducing negativity.
  • Family Traditions: Delightful exchange about memorable family moments, from musical car rides to tickle fights and holiday adventures, underscoring the significance of simple rituals.
  • Exciting Announcements: The launch of the Play-Based Leadership platform and the upcoming School of Play Academy are revealed, including details on their new leadership book co-authored by Nick Haywood.
  • Looking Ahead & Gratitude: The hosts share what they’re most looking forward to this summer, from personal holidays to industry keynotes and meaningful breaks.
Resources & Mentions:
  • Play-Based Leadership Website now live: playbasedleadership.com
  • The School of Play Academy Coming in 2026!
  • "Play Profile" Quiz, Find out your leadership style and practical ways to improve - https://playbasedleadership.com/play-profiles
Key Takeaways:
  • Vulnerability is contagious and healing, share your truth!
  • Presence is a gift: stop focusing on the negative, and live in the moment.
  • Leadership is for everyone, and it can be fun, find your play profile.
  • Cherish the small family traditions, they matter more than you think.

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Campbell. Each week we'll bring to you tips, strategies and ideas on

how you can bring more joy and happiness into your life and those you share

it with. Alrighty, everyone. Welcome back to Energetic Radio

Podcast is episode number 375. My name is

Dale Sighbottom and I'm joined by Paul Big Dog Campbell. How are you, big

boy? I'm good, thanks, mate. No, you're not. No,

I knew you're gonna say that. And it's funny how someone asked you like, yeah,

I'm doing all right. No, mate, I am under the weather. I am cooked. I

am. The burning of the candle at both ends was caught up with me this

week and I am coughing out green loogies and I got a head full of.

Full of snot up there. But I'm here and I'll push through. So,

listeners, excuse me if I sniffle or cough my way through this

one, but no, I'm still alright, though. You know what I mean? Look, I'm still

alright. Very husky, very sexy. Yeah, a little bit sexy today, but

now the show goes on. One foot in front of the other. I'm very grateful

that we've got, what, just this and a couple of meetings today, no workshops to

run, so we can sort of ease our way into the weekend a little bit,

which is nice. Nice. How you doing? I'm. I'm really good. I've had a

bit of an overwhelming week, to be honest, mate. Like, I

just want to thank everyone out there for the amount of messages

and calls and things from obviously last week's podcast.

If you haven't listened to it, it wasn't intentional, but I do just got a

bit emotional and started sharing. But I'm really glad I did.

So many people have thanked me for being, you know, so open and

vulnerable and actually showing that because

it's something that's a little bit taboo, you know, people don't really share those things.

So it was pretty. It was a hard week, to be honest. I struggled

seeing it again, like when. When we shared the videos and

I haven't listened back to it. I don't. I don't. I don't think I could

listen to the podcast, but, yeah, just to see the videos again

and the, like, it's making a bit upset again. Just the

emotion and the raw. Yeah. So how. Yeah. Isn't it

incredible how. How many conversations it started, though? Because even the same,

like, I know you've had a heap of personal messages. I got a heap of

personal messages from my mates and other. And your other people as well. And,

you know, even though I wasn't the one breaking down, you were. But just.

Yeah. Heaps of my people that I connect with, you know, contacted me and said,

thank you. You know, this is brilliant. Should be proud of yourselves. You know, you're

not alone. Like, how many messages you get through avenues that, hey, mate, you're not

alone. So many people feel the same way. You know what I mean? So.

No, mate, good on you, Good on you. I think putting yourself out there and

being that brave and vulnerable did it was clear. It opened up the door for

so many people to be vulnerable themselves and

we need to model it more. We do, massively. Especially men. Yeah. 100%.

I just think, yeah. The amount of people that just said thank you,

that now it allows me to maybe share things I haven't

shared before. Yeah. I just wish that wasn't the way. I wish that it wasn't

the way the world was it, because really what I did wasn't that

significant. But it was. And I think that shows a society where we're at. Yeah.

But, yeah, from the bottom of my heart, thank you so much. The messages,

yeah, very overwhelming, like, from people a lot of people didn't

know, people I did know. And so many people going

through similar things, particularly dads, you know that. Dad guilt and

things like that and dealing things. But, yeah, no, I really do appreciate. And then

on the other hand, mate, last night I was. Bri was at work and I

had the boys and we're just riding around the court practicing our bike riding and

my phone just blew up again. And this time it

wasn't for something positive. It was Tipping Point Australia

decided to replay

my dismal performance as a replay

replayed it. My. My phone just blew up and people just sending me

more photos of me on T. I'm like, oh, talk about the highs and lows

of a week. Like, so nice. I'm like, oh, you muppet on there again.

You were useless on it. I love it.

So I thought that was pretty funny, mate. But anyway, that's been the week

and I just wanted to. Yeah, just wanted to thank everyone and allow people to

talk more like share and don't worry about what other people think because when you

do, it frees you up. I know it freed me up. It still made me

feel a bit uncomfortable, but, yeah, it allows

others to feel that way too. I had a. I had A really interesting conversation

with a couple of friends about the, you know, the posts

and podcasts. And one thing that came to light was

how, I guess, refreshing it was that you

didn't, you know, you didn't value perceptions more than reality. Like

you value reality more than perceptions. Whereas so many people in the world

who value the perception of putting that, you know, putting

that facade up or letting the world think that it's all perfect and rosy and

those sorts of bits and pieces and when the reality, it's not. Right. Like, you're

doing it tough and. But I would say probably 98% of the population would

rather have that facade of perception and what we sell

online and what we sell of our personal lives as opposed to what it's really

like. So I guess everyone found it really refreshing that you're like, you know what,

Dale? You're bloody raw and you're honest and it was reality. And

good on you for sharing the reality over the perception. And. Yeah, so that

was. I thought that was an interesting convo that it raised between some friends. 100

too, but that's what I'm talking about. I wish that wasn't the way. Yeah, I

just. Yeah, it's. It's very liberating and free

when you actually don't care. I actually don't care

what people think of me. And we say it all the time at workshops to

young people. The sooner you can get the ability to lose, you know,

stop caring what people think about you. The free you are and the better life

gets. But you generally don't get that skill till 25, 30 years of age. Right.

I'd say maybe even later for some people. Never. Which is a shame.

But it is very hard for young, like adolescents to do

teenagers equally as hard for young 20s to do. But you start to get the

hang of it in later adulthood. But the earlier you can grab that notion of

I don't give a what anyone thinks about me anymore. You are free. You start

being yourself. You might lose a couple of friends. Like, that's cool. But you're. You're

you. Yeah, it's interesting, wasn't it? I think I was always like that

in growing up, but I did it in like a arrogant way. A bit

nasty. See, I think now I don't care what people think of me, but I

like, I want to treat people well. Yeah, I think. Yeah.

That's another moment of honesty. Right? Yeah. Used to be an arrogant

100 I was. And that's sort of my. That was my way of. I don't

know, coming across and probably my insecurities I had. I would bring

them across that way. Yeah. Which. Yeah, he's never a nice thing when you.

You don't treat other people kindly or, you know, try and uplift them as we

talk about, so. And you're way better than I am. Like, I'm still a people.

Like, I'm still a people pleaser. No, if so, that's about it. I hate, like,

I don't like ruffling the feather some places, or I'm getting better at

and, you know, doing what's right for me and the family in the business. Own

a business for nine years, mate. You get very. You get pretty cutthroat, don't you?

You've owned a business for. I've owned a business now for, what, 18 months? Two

years. I'm starting to get a bit more cutthroat. But I remember early days. Yeah.

I was like, man, that's vicious. You can't do that. We've got to be, you

know, buggering, mate. I'll rub off on you

on that. I've gone to people, but there comes a time where

no, sorry. Yeah. And that's fair enough, too. That's fair enough. We had an awesome

week this week. I just want to share a couple of stories about our week

because I was quite surprised at one of our gigs we had. We had a

gig up in Waingarrata for Watters Electrical

and we had a corporate gig, 240. You know, Waters Electrical is a

massive electrical, like, electrician company and 240

of their employees. So we're walking into this gig and we do all this, you

know, connection stuff and wellbeing and feel good sort of things, and we

had no idea how it was going to be received. And the crowd rolled in

and, you know, they look, you know, they're awesome people. Yeah. Bloody awesome. Few

roughner and we're like, oh, geez. And a few people that knew what we did

were like, we don't know how this is going to land, fellas, but it's going

to be interesting. Holy shit, here we go. What is? What is. I grew

up in Shepparton. My best mate, his parents own it. And

so I knew most people in the room. And, yeah, I was pretty

nervous just because, yeah, like, people's perception of what I

spoke about myself, but also what we do now. But, hey,

I'm sure you're talking. Yeah, it was amazing, right?

Yeah. There's been two moments over the nine years.

One was when I was in Saudi Arabia with the Royal Family school when I

had 180 of them and I got them because their culture's so different.

But the second light bulb moment was Saturday when it worked for 240

electricians who were at their Christmas party drinking beers. Yeah, mate.

And it was off its head. We had the room buzzing. Yeah, they were my

two light bulb moments. And the best was how many of them came up and

thanked us for it and said, that felt really good. Thanks, guys. Your energy was

awesome. But that felt good. We enjoyed the opportunity to sort of open up

and connect with our mates that way. Because we don't do that on the job

site. We definitely don't answer those sort of questions, you know, what makes you proud

and those bits and pieces. And yeah, bloody worked with

240 electricians. Yeah. And they bloody loved it and it felt good.

So just goes to show, it doesn't matter who you are, no matter how tough

you exterminate series, sometimes you've got to let yourself, I

guess, practice a little bit of gratitude, focus on the good stuff,

share that with people around your mates and stuff. Start opening those conversations because

I think you'll find that deep down we all need it and we all enjoy

it and it's good for the soul. But allow yourself to have some fun

and once again, don't care what other people think about you. But that's what we

do so well that people can have fun because nobody's actually

taking notice of anyone else. And it's interesting. At that gig we're always honest. There

was probably what, 15 of the crowd after our first lot

hightailed out of the room when it had a dart, you know, when they had

a smoke and took the opportunity, didn't come back in. And that's. That's on them,

right? They're like. But they still got 30 minutes. Yeah, but I still feel a

bit uncomfortable so I'm gonna hang outside. But for the rest of. It was awesome.

But no, it was interesting. We've got a good friend of ours called Paul

Watkins. And Paul recently,

you know, participated in another sort of ultra Iron man queen, isn't he?

He's crazy, right? Like a five day event where he ran for 70 or 80

ks a day. And I just read his post before about what he pushed

through. Right. Like he pushed through incredible injuries and stuff again

and still got through it. And then I got me thinking about the word grit

again. There's a really funny story. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of it.

Have you Heard of a dude called Cliff Young? He's an Australian

potato farmer. Yeah. Cliffy Young. Yeah. Have you heard of him? Yep. Right. I'd never

heard of him. Back in the 80s, right. He won a

524 kilometer ultramarathon race. No formal

training. Right. He's a potato farmer. Doesn't wear shoes either, does he? Doesn't wear shoes.

There you go. Right. Just hurt like does

farming. Entered the race, had no idea what was going on. He won

it by over 10 hours. Do you know why he won it by more

than 10 hours? Because he ate spuds. No, you're a dick. No, he won

it because he didn't know you had to sleep. True

story. So this numb nut mental dude from Australia, from New South

Wales, a potato farmer, entered a fight and didn't sleep. So did all

524km of the race, non stop. Right.

Whereas all his competitors would sleep for two or three or four hours a night

and get that re. You know, how could you do that? He just went and

he won the whole thing. No training, no nothing. And beat all these professionals.

And you, mate, go. If you're listening, go and look up the story. He's such

an Aussie bloke. Yeah, I knew it. And then when he's getting a massive check,

he's like, he's sitting there going, this smile on his face. Wouldn't fall asleep. I

know, crazy story. But anyway, Paul Watkins, well done. We love you, mate.

That's an awesome effort and it led me to the story of Cliff Young, which

has put a smile on her face, which is really cool. So I love it.

I'm going to throw out my first question without notice for you. Good. Hopefully it

doesn't make me cry like last night. No, hopefully it won't. It shouldn't do.

Bit of a deep thinker, actually. I want to know what's more important. What do

you think is more important? Having more positive thoughts or less

negative thoughts? I'd say less negative. Well done. Why?

I think if you can control the way you think and it's doesn't, life's not

always positive and we always talk about this, but if you can reduce the negative

thoughts, I'd say you're in a better mindset than what you are because you don't

want to just walk around the earth going, life's amazing. Rainbows, butterflies,

like it's not like that. But you still will get those positive

thoughts. But if there's probably more neutral thoughts instead of negative ones, I

think you'll be A more present and happy person. Yeah. This popped across

my. Well before I did the research, I would have

stupidly probably said it's probably more important to have more positive thoughts and think about

the good stuff. That's what we're taught, right? Yeah. Practice gratitude, focus on

the good stuff. That's what we practice learning about. But. And then I started doing

a deep dive into it. You. You don't know you're having

70% of the negative thoughts you're having. That's how ingrained it is

into our makeup, our genetic makeup, that we are just naturally negative,

biased. Everyone is every. Every avenue, news, everything, like, it's just.

Bloody negative where we've come from. Right. Cavemen used to step out of your cave

and everything could kill you. You know what I mean? So it was, it was,

it was, you know, you had to survive. So we've got this negative bias towards

really looking out for the. For the, the dangers and whatnot. But yes,

70% of your negative thoughts you don't even know you're having. But it's those

negative thoughts that lead to your stress, to your anxiety, to your worry,

you know, your self doubt, all those bits and pieces.

And so the key to a. I guess. I guess a more balanced or

a better mindset is to focus on having less negative

thoughts. I was right. You were right. Yeah. That's the key to it. So

I'm actually going to bring that to our business and start putting that into our

workshops a little bit more. And when you start to think about it,

you're like, you're right. It's amazing when you daydream,

sometimes your daydreams go more towards the concern side of things,

you know, what have I got coming up? What have I got to do for

that? What's the stress here? How busy are we? Oh, man, I haven't done that

this morning. You're like, holy shit. You do. When you daydream, it's

way more negative than positive daydreaming. I

reckon I'm different. We're crazy busy at the moment. That's when I thrive

because I get so excited. I'm so proud of you managing all the

things we're doing. Yeah. And I'm like, you are different, though.

We know that. But I actually think how lucky we are

that we've just got so many cool things going on. Yeah. And I'm so

like, I think it's a privilege that I get to be able to work on

them because they excite me. Yeah. So I flip it. I know.

Yes. I love it. And you know what? I'm going to piggyback on that.

I'd have known in bed just the other morning when I was knackered, right? I

was knackered. I couldn't be asked getting out of bed at all.

And for some reason, that whole little chat we had about pressure is a privilege

that popped into my head and I was knackered in bed and I couldn't be

bothered and I was like, oh. And then that popped in my head for some

reason. Then in my mind just went, you know what? It's actually a really privilege

to be this tired because it means your business

is going really well. It means your kids are playing four different

sports, you run around like a madman. It means you're actually getting off your ass

every morning and doing some exercise no matter what. And all these things are leading

you to be this tired. But that's a bloody privilege. And then I went down

this other little rabbit hole if, you know, like, my wife's going to

laugh. But it's a real privilege that, you know, like, for example, I get

frustrated sometimes. My Mr. Struggles to turn off lights in the house, right? And now

we're going to turn them off. But it's a bloody privilege that she leaves them

on because I've got a. I've got a wife who's amazing and I got a

house to live with her. She's got electricity, mate. Yeah. And I got candles, all

those sorts of things. She's not leaving candles on the burnt house. No, exactly. Right.

And so you think about that like that. And you. I can't be bothered. I

couldn't be bothered getting up and going for a run. I was like, it's a

privilege that you can get up and go for a bloody run. You know what

I mean? Yeah. And I just started really flipping the mindset

on how you can change your point of view to everything that is a

privilege. So when things are crap, for example, you're stressed at work, man.

It's a real privilege that you're stressed at work because you've got a job. At

least you're not stressing about not having work. No. You know what I mean? Those

sorts of things. And at the moment, I was doing the tax for the. For

the properties and stuff, and I was like, man, I can't be bothered doing this.

I was like, paul, it's a bloody privilege that you've got. You're in this position

that you've got to do a bit of work for your taxes, for your properties,

because You've got a couple. You know what I mean? So, I don't know, it

was a little. So on the back of that, I'm just going to piggyback that.

But it's interesting when you change your mindset and how you look at things. And

then I jumped out of bed, as tired as I was, went for a bloody

run, started the day good. Yeah. Dunno. It's interesting. I like it.

Very good, mate. Very good. Another question without notice, right,

what are some traditions that your

kids will look back on that'll put a massive smile

on their face and make their heart sing when they get older? What are some

family traditions that you do? No, just one thing I do with them when it's

when I take them to daycare and Kinder. It's always Phil Collins in the air

tonight. So we start with that and then 3 minutes

24, we all just go. We go

crazy. And then it leads into Billy Ocean, Caribbean Queen.

I don't know why those songs, they. Are random songs, especially for young

kids. And they're awesome. They love Phil and Billy and that's.

Mate, we do that every day on the way too. And then when I pick

them up, it's always Darude Sandstorm. So they're probably my tradition. I love

music. I know you do too. So. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Isn't that interesting?

That little exercise came across my ears the other day and I was like, that's

a fun. And I did. And I didn't really think about it and I naturally.

Like, you just had. Then you just had a smile on your face and you're

still smiling ear to ear. Right. Just the thought of those traditions that

you're doing with your kids and what they're going to look back on and remember.

What are yours? I got a couple. Mine are really simple. So, for example, whenever

I help my kids, and it's getting less frequent now because they're getting older, but

help them get changed and you lift their T shirt up or their jumper up

and obviously their arms got to go up in the air. I always tickle their

armpits every single time. And they know it's bloody coming. They

still put their hands in the air and I give them a little tickle and

they giggle whatnot. And I'm gonna miss that incredible bit, I reckon. Cause it's

every day. Like that's happened every day for the past however many years, as I

said, getting a bit less frequent now. But that tradition, I hope they'll look back

on and go, I remember when you used to do that, dad. Now that was

pretty funny. At the moment it's soccer

in the morning. With my eldest, we're doing a heap of goalkeeping practice every morning

in the backyard. And that's gonna be a cool little tradition. But soon ones like

Marlowe, we've got a little holiday joint that we go away every single chance we

get, all the holidays and whatnot. And I reckon they'll fondly remember that

humble little setup we got at Marlowe and the family time we had. But yeah,

I need to put some more time and thought into what are some other ones

and maybe even get a bit more intentional with creating some more.

Because I reckon that's the key to a really healthy, happy little family life is

those little silly, insignificant

family traditions that you do with your kids that they're going to remember. And if

you're listening out there and you had one, you're in the position to rekindle it.

Rekindle it now. Do it, do it. You know what I mean? Like you're sitting

there thinking, what's one of my traditions with my kids?

Maybe bring it back, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I'm gonna go back

and start tickling my kids armpits again, even though they get a bit old for

it. But yeah, I don't know, I thought it was a bit of a fun

exercise to sort of work upon and have a think about. I like that one,

man. Now I've got one myself. Obviously, as we said before, we've got

a lot going on which we're very excited about. We're building out the School of

Play Academy which will be coming next year. We've got all our different curriculums which

are really exciting. But one we've been focus on for a while is our play

based leadership platform. So our website is now live, so

you can go and check that out. Play based leadership.com

obviously that's a strand of the School of play and something

we're pretty excited about. You can go on there and you can figure out your

play profile, learn more about obviously psychological

safety, building trust, our framework that's coming, the trust lab,

five pillars and so forth like that. And it's yeah, something really exciting that

we bringing in not only with our student sort of next generation

leadership and agency and things like that, but we're doing more with

principals and corporates and things like that. So yeah, that's really exciting and

it's been something I've been working tirelessly on to get out and I'm really Excited

with how the websites come along. So if you are listening, go and check it

out. There might be something on there particularly around making

leadership fun. And I think that was one of the main reasons we wanted

to bring that to life as an arm of our brand. Because

yeah, so often you hear about leadership or you hear someone talk talk about it

and it's dry and it's boring. Yeah, something's boring, you don't want to do it.

It doesn't matter how old you are. So yeah, I'm really excited to see where

this goes and with the book that we are really knuckling

down at the moment. Play Base Leadership. They'll be out next year. Yeah, really

excited for that as well. And we have another author on board. Nick

Haywood, co authoring, co author Hazy. Nick Haywood, Big Hazy, the

Tassie Devil. So that's exciting as well. And yeah, I think

three minds are better than one and he's going to offer some so much. We're

pumped with him. Right, like he's working, currently working the Golden State warriors, the Houston

Rockets, the Sydney Kings, Portale Footy Club. He's mentoring to heap of

athletes, the Australian Boomers. Just his wealth of knowledge and experience

in that leadership, that play based sort of, you know, culture shifting leadership

style is going to be incredible for us to join forces

with and we've already learned a heap from him and he's going to value

add so much to that book, it's not funny. So it's going to be an

absolute ripper. We'll probably have him on the pod in the next couple of episodes

I think and have him on as a guest, I dare say. So you'll get

to meet meet Nick. But yeah, he's a ripper. Aussie bloke, loves to surf, got

some funny tales. But yeah, now we are stoked with that

partnership. It's going to be unreal. But also just piggyback on what side he said

then jump on that website because there's a really cool thing called a play

profile. So it is practical. So not just saying, you know, not giving ourselves

a plug but jump on, take that. It takes about two and a half minutes

to do a simple quiz and it gives you your leadership play profile and

then gives you a few things that you can potentially work on or add to

your add strings to your bow to complement what you're already doing. So

if you're a parent because you're a leader at home, if you're a staff member

or colleague or a leader at work, do it. If you're a sports coach, whatever

it might be, you're a teacher, any of those things, you're a leader in all

aspects of life. Jump on and have a play with it and

hopefully it just gives you a little bit of a helping hand with steering you

in a different direction or opening up your eyes a little bit. But yeah, and

that's, that's come together really well, obviously the four different play

types as leaders that we've put together there. So, yeah, jump on there and

yeah, you can figure out your play profile and it gives you probably ideas of

how you can, you know, little things you could do to improve in areas of

your leadership. And we always talk about everyone's a leader.

I don't care if you say you're not a leader, you're lying. Yes, you are

a leader. It doesn't matter what if you'd say, you know, you're just doing it

poorly. I feel there will be somebody in your life that's always following

you that you can inspire. So you can always get better. And

that's why I think what we've done is really cool because it's fun. We've made

leadership fun and we really want to do that. So, yeah,

I'm really excited about that, mate. And you've got, just got

announced at the Victorian Principals Association Conference next year. You

will be, you'll be doing a big keynote there, mate, on play

based leadership, which is really exciting. We got three or four hundred

principals. Isn't it funny how the tides have turned? Like I'm sitting here in

this chair right now because I was at a principals

conference in the crowd with a suit on and you did a

keynote and that's why I'm sitting here, because that's where we cross paths. And now

what, Three years on, whatever it might be, Four years on, it's my

chance to take the stage with all, with, you know, 3, 400 principals in the

room. And yeah, I hope I'm not aiming

to get another sidekick out of it, but not like you created one. But

yeah, I can't wait to jump on and pass on our knowledge and try and

inspire those principals to have a bit more of a playful approach with their teams

and just all about culture shifting and human centered, human

centered approach and developing trust and those sorts of things. But now I'm

pumped. I'm absolutely pumped. So, yeah, looking forward to it.

To round us out. Last question. Without notice. All right. As we're coming into

December and the end of our year, which has been insane, Real awesome things

that you're looking forward to. Let's focus, finish this on some good stuff. What are

you looking forward to? I'm looking forward to having a break. Yep.

Not gonna lie. I think also, like, you go to Marlowe,

we go to Tocamore each year after New Year's for a

week with Brie's family. And obviously my family are close by in

Shepparton. And it's just nice, man. Even though it's 40 plus degrees every day.

I can't believe we used to live there and just grow up in that. But,

yeah, it's nice to just get out behind the boat and have a wakeboard for

a minute and a half, because that's about all I can do these days. But

I'm actually excited this year to my oldest, Sonny, to get

him up on a knee board. He's. He can swim now, so,

yeah, I'm excited for that, mate. That's something that I have

so many fond memories of growing up at Toccomore and in

Yarrawonga, Bundalong, people. People that aren't in Victoriaville, like, what are they

talking about? But growing up with a boat on the water, you know,

skiing, yeah, that was some of my fondest memories. And I used to be able

to ski all day. I can't even get up on a single anymore.

Literally can't even get up. I can't. I'm the same. I do one lap of

that inlet now on the wayboard, I'm tapping my. Head, saying my forearms are busting.

But anyway, no, I'm excited. It's my challenge every year. Get up and

just do one. Yeah. No, like, I try to go hard, but try not hurt

myself. But, yeah, that for me, I'm really excited to. Yeah, I really like that

tradition that we do sort of each year. Yeah. Awesome. You. I love it.

Numerous things. I was thinking about this on my walk this morning. We've got. We're

gonna head to the Australian Golf on next Friday. We've got a workshop, and then

we're gonna head to the. To the Australian PGA Championship. Can't wait to see Rory

McIlroy smack a ball. Looking forward to that. And then we've got

a thing called Meat Fest with our primary school dads. We're all having a.

It's like the Bluey Stump Fest episode where we're all gonna get around

the table, the dining room table, and have a heap of good meat and some

good red wines and just connect over the day, night, test. And yeah, cricket'll be

on too. Yeah, cricket'll be on so much time. Hopefully it lasts more than two

days. Hope we're doing it day two so we're guaranteed to see some players. That

was embarrassing for the poms. I hope some poms are listening.

Embarrassing. They drop the ball. Trav ball. Yeah, sorry.

Anyway, yeah, looking forward to wind down. We've got five

workshops left for the year, so looking forward to getting through them and then, yeah,

really getting stuck into the. The awesome, I guess, side

hustles that we're going on with our leadership stuff and our book and other bits

and pieces in our curriculums. But, yeah, mate, looking forward. Now we can turn attention

to Christmas and, yeah, family and a little breakaway and there's

a few things on the horizon I'm looking forward to. But, yeah, mate, I'm pumped.

Summer's coming, the end is nice. We're almost through this hectic year that it's been,

but it's been awesome and I've loved every minute of it. So,

anyway, legends, thanks for tuning in, thanks for listening. Enjoy the

sunshine. Look after yourselves. Focus on the good stuff, but also

stop focusing on the negative stuff. Just focus on being present. Just focus

on the present. I think when you're present, that's when no negative thoughts go to

your mind and mainly they're positive because you are present. That's a good point. It

is, yeah. It's called presence. A gift. Oh, let's sign out on that one.

Ladies and gentlemen, look after yourselves. Take care.