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Hosted by Jared Correia, Legal Late Night is a weekly, pop culture-infused romp through the latest & greatest business management ideas and technology tips for lawyers, featuring engaging guests, and constructed in the format of an old school television variety show.
Jared Correia (00:01):
Hello everybody. We've got to show the promises to be mildly interesting for your listening and watching enjoyment. First, I talked with Giselle Rodriguez, an attorney about her side hustle as an extra in the movies. Then I interviewed Giselle and her boyfriend Tristian about how they developed a unique marketing program for her law firm. Last but not least, we have a new recurring segment. It's a spinning wheel game, and it's pretty fucked up. We've got some visual elements, so be sure to check those out on our YouTube channel. Autobots roll Out Legal Late Night is on in a departure from my usual stylings. And so as not to be totally overwhelmed given our new weekly release schedule, I'm going to conduct an interview in this space instead of authoring my usual DRL as a monologue. You know why that is though? It's because we have, I don't want to alarm anyone, but we have a bonafide movie star on the show today. That's right. It's Giselle Rodriguez, who also happens to be an immigration attorney. More on that part later. Giselle, welcome to the show.
Giselle Rodriguez (01:17):
Thank you so much. I don't know about the movie star, but I appreciate it.
Jared Correia (01:22):
I don't feel like I'm overselling this, but you can tell me if you think I'm wrong. So you do acting. So tell me how you got into that, why you wanted to do it, and what you do, how it
Giselle Rodriguez (01:35):
Goes. Well, I first started acting back in 2012. Before that I was living in, well, during that period time period, I was living in Puerto Rico, and I remember it was the summertime and I saw a casting notice for the film with Justin Timberlake run a Runner. And so I think that was my very first casting and I went, they called me. I ended up being a waitress for a scene, and that was the start of everything. And then after that I moved to Boston for college and eventually law school. And I've done a lot of other background scenes here with different movies.
Jared Correia (02:14):
All right. So maybe I did oversell it slightly before,
Giselle Rodriguez (02:19):
I guess you did.
Jared Correia (02:21):
So basically you're an extra in movies, which is probably all the time you have to do this because you've got this thriving law firm, which we'll talk more about. So what does that entail? Do you just show up for the day? Do you have lines in some cases? What does that process look like? I feel like a lot of people have looked at casting calls, but they've never actually done anything to move that forward.
Giselle Rodriguez (02:45):
Got it. So I'm part of the Screen Actors Gal, the Union, and it took me about nine years to finally become part of that union.
Jared Correia (02:55):
Really?
Giselle Rodriguez (02:56):
Yes. And so how it works is with different movies, you get what is called a SAG voucher if you get a little more exposure or sometimes they just have more availability for those vouchers. So if you have three, you're eligible to apply for the union or to become a part of the union. So my most recent film was actually with Liam Neeson called Absolution, and that was one of the ones where I got the most screen time. But that wasn't really the exciting part. The exciting part was actually meeting Liam Neeson and he actually, in one of the scenes, he directed his words directly to me in the scene.
Jared Correia (03:38):
Really?
Giselle Rodriguez (03:38):
That's pretty funny. His voice is literally the same as you would hear it in the movies.
Jared Correia (03:44):
Did you get a chance to respond?
Giselle Rodriguez (03:47):
No, he was just talking at me. Yeah, he didn't
Jared Correia (03:50):
Say anything. I won't ask you what he said. I don't want to spoil anything.
Giselle Rodriguez (03:54):
Yeah, you should watch
Jared Correia (03:55):
It. Let me ask you this. So how many movies have you been in at this point?
Giselle Rodriguez (04:00):
I would say probably 12 to 15. It's a really nice hobby. The food is amazing every time we go on set.
Jared Correia (04:08):
So back in the day we had a, okay, I'm really dating myself now. I'm ancient. Have you seen The Goonies?
Giselle Rodriguez (04:16):
No. Oh God, I'm aging myself too. I guess
Jared Correia (04:18):
I'm so fucking old. Yeah, but you're aging yourself in the right direction. All right. So the Goonies was this eighties movie where these kids go and find a pirate ship and there's like a treasure on and stuff like that. It was really popular movie, like 1984 when I was apparently like 40. So there's a little fat kid in there named Chunk, and we had him on the show, the adult version of this kid because he became a lawyer. And I was like, you, your role was a little chubby kid? And he's like, yeah, the craft table stuff, it's delicious
Giselle Rodriguez (04:55):
Craft.
Jared Correia (04:55):
So that is true. You can confirm that the food was excellent.
Giselle Rodriguez (04:58):
It depends also on the budget of the movie.
Jared Correia (05:01):
So if someone was going to go out and they were like, I want to be an extra in movies, the idea is big budget movies with good food. That's the plan.
Giselle Rodriguez (05:10):
Well, yes, it's all an experience, whether low budget, high budget, but yeah, generally crafty is better when it's a high budget movie.
Jared Correia (05:21):
So the next frontier for you is voice acting at some point, getting the role with some lines?
Giselle Rodriguez (05:28):
Yes. That would be really nice. You get your own trailer.
Jared Correia (05:34):
Really?
Giselle Rodriguez (05:35):
Yes. Which that stopped the reason why, but in terms of exposure, obviously it's a lot better.
Jared Correia (05:42):
All right. I got one more question for you and then we're going to do our standard interview. Who's the most famous person you think you've met on a movie site? Is it Liam or is it somebody else? Liam, like we're boys.
Giselle Rodriguez (05:53):
Yeah, go ahead. Definitely Liam Mason, but also Amy who actually spoke directly to me because generally you're not allowed to speak to them unless they speak to you first.
Jared Correia (06:02):
What?
Giselle Rodriguez (06:03):
It's
Jared Correia (06:03):
Fucking nuts.
Giselle Rodriguez (06:04):
I know Bradley Cooper was also on set, but I didn't talk to him, but Amy Adams complimented my high waisted purple pants that was on the set. That was on the set of American Hustle. This was probably like eight or nine years.
Jared Correia (06:18):
Oh, I know. American Hustle. Yeah.
Giselle Rodriguez (06:20):
Yeah, that was fun.
Jared Correia (06:21):
So that shit is true. You can't talk to the actors. See, that's so weird to me. I would have a hard time not talking to people.
New Speaker (06:27):
Yeah.
Jared Correia (06:28):
So if somebody wanted to take a look at your roles, do you have an IMDV page? Do you have anything up on your website? Hint, hint about this stuff or no?
Giselle Rodriguez (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, I have an IMDV. I don't keep up with it though.
Jared Correia (06:44):
Okay. Do you have a page anywhere where people can be like, Hey, I want to see just Elle dancing, the disco tech, or sitting on a commuter real train, et cetera?
Giselle Rodriguez (06:52):
I mean, my Instagram, I have less scene actually dancing next to Mark Cubit.
Jared Correia (06:58):
Oh, there you go.
Giselle Rodriguez (06:59):
Yeah, that made the credits that didn't make the actual movie, but it made the final
Jared Correia (07:03):
Credit. That still counts. What's your Instagram?
Giselle Rodriguez (07:06):
Attorney dot rodriguez.
Jared Correia (07:08):
Okay, everybody check it out. Alright, should we bring on Tristian? We don't have to. It's up to you.
Giselle Rodriguez (07:14):
Yeah, let's do it.
Jared Correia (07:15):
Okay. Alright. Next up, Giselle will be back along with her boyfriend, Tristian Shannon, who is a lawyer who works with her in her law practice. Then it's the wheel of misfortune. Well, I've effectively run out of things to say, which is awkward because this is a podcast, but don't worry, I've taken up my mink. So I'm going to mime for you a little bit right now. Now I'm just fucking with you. That sounds awful. And not at all suited for a podcast. So let's just interview our guests instead. Big news, we got two guests you've already heard from Giselle Rodriguez, who is the principal of law offices of Giselle M Rodriguez, PLLC, and her boyfriend is now coming in. Tristian Shannon, also a lawyer who also works at the firm as its chief marketing officer. Giselle, welcome back. Let's start with your law practice. We haven't talked about that yet. You started your firm right out of law school and you got into immigration practice. So I would ask you why would you do that to yourself?
Giselle Rodriguez (08:27):
Yeah, I mean, it was really an uphill battle at first. As you know, you don't know where your next client is coming from, but I also saw there was a need for more honesty and transparency, at least within the immigration field. So I saw that and I knew that I could do that through social media clients. Every time I have a consultation with clients, they either say they found me on Instagram or TikTok, and it's all a recurring topic of seeming less intimidating.
Jared Correia (08:59):
So that was your intention coming out, that you wanted to build out this attorney reputation? It was different from the way most people were playing it
Giselle Rodriguez (09:07):
And also of course a passion and I have for immigration.
Jared Correia (09:11):
Yeah. So talk to me about that. Why did you decide to do immigration law from that perspective?
Giselle Rodriguez (09:16):
Yeah, so it was something that I always envisioned because of my upbringing with my parents. They were both very involved in politics and my dad, he fled Cuba at a very young age, nine days in the ocean. Eventually he came here the American dream, which is something very real. And so just seeing that growing up was really an influence for me.
Jared Correia (09:43):
So never a moment's hesitation to wait a few years and go work with somebody else for a while. You were straight up ready to roll as soon as you graduated from law school.
Giselle Rodriguez (09:54):
During college, I interned in so many different places, Senate, president's office, mass State police, campaigning for different people. I immediately knew politics was not my thing. So I explored other things just to make sure with myself that law was really where I was heading. But it was the third year of law school during I was actually my second year or first year I was in AmeriCorps at an immigration nonprofit that really solidified my decision. And also at Harvard Law School and that internship, I explored more of the asylum aspect. So I think those two experiences did it for me.
Jared Correia (10:34):
I've heard of Harvard before. Tricia, let's pull you in here. I'm not trying to hold you back, but after your modeling career stopped,
New Speaker (10:43):
You
Jared Correia (10:44):
Went and you started working with Giselle, you two were in a relationship. Obviously if my wife was here right now, she would be like, I will never work with you ever. Which fair? How did you get involved with the firm?
Tristian Shannon (11:01):
How did I get involved with the firm? Well, Giselle Giselle's, I guess we should start off with this. Giselle transferred into math school law and she somehow still graduated before me even though I had a year ahead of her. So she
Jared Correia (11:18):
Not enough of a head start, man.
Tristian Shannon (11:20):
Yeah. She came in and immediately just was handling business, doing whatever she needed to do to graduate while I'm trying to, struggling to figure out what's going on in classes. So she graduated before me, but it was literally right in the middle of the pandemic
New Speaker (11:38):
And
Tristian Shannon (11:39):
She was the first one to take. You're the first one to take the bar exam online, right?
New Speaker (11:46):
Yes.
Tristian Shannon (11:46):
It got pushed back two or three times, and it got to a point where she was like, what am I going to do? I want to open up a firm, but what am I going to do? And I felt like with those types of things I could help her with, because obviously I had a real estate background, I had a real estate team. I was high up in the company. I'm like, oh, let's just do what I wanted to do for my firm, but we'll just do it for you. So we just started off with just, I knew really nothing about immigration. I was kind of naive to it. I wanted to go into build a real estate firm,
New Speaker (12:22):
But
Tristian Shannon (12:24):
When Giselle started to talk about why she wanted to go into it, telling her father's story, and I started to see it in the news and I was like, okay, well this is a need for this. You know what I'm saying? Nobody needs to buy and sell houses. They just want to,
Jared Correia (12:42):
Were you working full time in real estate? And then you're like, you just quit too, to work on the firm.
Tristian Shannon (12:46):
I was, I was, but I had to close,
Jared Correia (12:49):
So damn, you guys are fucking hardcore. You're just like, let's do it.
Tristian Shannon (12:52):
The
Jared Correia (12:52):
Risk be damned.
Tristian Shannon (12:53):
I had to close it out. I had to slow down part-time because it was really hard for me to juggle law school and being on the road showing houses.
Jared Correia (13:01):
Oh yeah, of
Tristian Shannon (13:02):
Course. So I decided to, okay, let me drop down part-time, let close these deals and then maybe I'll jump back in it. But when I was speaking with Giselle, I told her, I think we can do well. The biggest things is let's try to find a mentor, someone that knows how to run a law firm because obviously need have that experience.
Giselle Rodriguez (13:27):
We saw him, Jared.
Tristian Shannon (13:28):
Yeah, I said, we need an steel person. So she went online and she says, I found this guy Red Cave Legal, what do you think? And I'm like, oh, we don't know unless we book in Intel. So that's how she found you. And then we ended up finding Phil. So I think
Jared Correia (13:45):
Once, yeah, Phil is, what is his name of his company again? Yes, local. SEO.
Giselle Rodriguez (13:49):
Bill ek.
Jared Correia (13:50):
Phil ek. All right. Just want to give everybody their flowers here. Go ahead, Tristian.
Tristian Shannon (13:55):
That's it. So I told her, I'm like, if we can cover those two things, I can cover the marketing for you and we can gain momentum, that'll be probably our advantage.
Jared Correia (14:06):
Great. Okay, perfect. Let's segue to that. I knew Giselle first. I didn't know you. You're sort of like Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, you're running all this marketing shit that maybe nobody knows about. So a lot of the marketing stuff is like you had this strategy of a focus on publishing videos, including short form content like TikTok. Now was that stuff you were doing in real estate that you're like, Hey, I can pour it over to legal. Was that something that you built up on your own? How'd you come to use that as your defining marketing strategy?
Tristian Shannon (14:44):
I mean, that's what I used in real estate, right?
Jared Correia (14:48):
Okay.
Tristian Shannon (14:48):
Because when I was first in real estate, they sell you on outdated tactics. They tell you about farming and finding an area or just door knocking on random doors, and this is how we do it, sending out flyers. And
Jared Correia (15:02):
It's how we did it in 1974. Right?
Tristian Shannon (15:05):
And I tried that a little bit until I got attacked by a dog one time going into, I'm just trying to see the houses on
New Speaker (15:13):
Market. Oh man.
Tristian Shannon (15:14):
And a lot of people it started with, honestly, it started with Snapchat and Facebook is where it started, where I just started talking about the real estate market rentals properties in my area that I'm selling. And slowly but surely, I started getting people reaching out to me, Hey, me and my boyfriend are looking to buy a house. Hey, we went to college together. We're looking to do this. So my parents want to move to Florida, they live over here. So I realized quickly, instead of me doing what everyone else is telling me to do, I should just do where my clientele is going to be, which was first time buyers, which is the people at my age bracket. So I leaned more into social media and from that I realized that a lot of people looked down on it. And being in law school, talking to certain people that also looked down on it. I told Giselle, if we can lean into social media and it works, we're going to be ahead of people. Because a lot of people, especially attorneys, they don't think that's professional or they think the words cringe is what they told us. This is just a leg up on us because this is what we grew up with.
Jared Correia (16:26):
It's crazy. There's so many lawyers that act against their interests because they don't think it's lawyerly enough to market in a certain way. You have stuff to say about that, right? Do you want to comment on that before we move on?
Tristian Shannon (16:37):
It's the problem with it, it always comes from older, seasoned attorneys. They just don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And the bottom line is with me and Giselle, nobody's going to help you, especially when you're competition, right? Everybody says they're willing to help you. We first opened, when we first opened the firm, we reached out to alumni from our law school. We reached out to people on our industry looking for some type of mentorship or guidance. And the second they see that me and Giselle have the worth ethic, and we'll put the work forward, all of a sudden they don't want to help you because your competition. So it's like, I'm not going to sit here and do things that you're, what you're telling me to do this traditional, that's not what's going to work. And you got to remember Giselle, her second video on TikTok got over 250,000 views and she got four leads out of it,
Jared Correia (17:29):
Which is a lot for those of you scoring at home.
Tristian Shannon (17:31):
So I think what it is is just understanding that nobody likes when young competitive risk takers come into their field. So they're going to tell you things to do that benefits them more and tries to limit what it is that you actually want to do.
Jared Correia (17:49):
Giselle, did you want to say anything about that?
Giselle Rodriguez (17:51):
Yeah, I mean, I meet with different students and people interested in internships, and I tell them all the time, and this is a quote that really stuck with me from a crisp conference that we attended last year, and it is the best cases, go to the best marketers. And I tell people all the time, don't feel intimidated. If you're thinking about opening up your practice, don't feel intimidated by others who have more experience than you use to your advantage. What's trending in your generation.
Jared Correia (18:20):
Look at you. So uplifting. That's why Amy Adams was like, I need to talk to her. So Tricia, I know you do a lot of the scripting of the videos and you're the guy who's figured out the algorithm. Giselle coming back to you for a second. You're the face on a lot of these videos. You're the one who's actually appearing in front of the camera. So how do you prepare yourself to do that? And what does that process look like? Because I think people see a TikTok video, for example, and they're like 90 seconds, whatever, but you're nailing a block of those for a couple hours at a time. That's not easy to do. So can you talk about that a little bit?
Giselle Rodriguez (18:58):
I think there's a lot that goes into it, and at least for me, it's all about being organized. I think about obviously the news articles that are trending during the week, but I also write the scripts and also obviously I don't read from the scripts, but at least I have something there to refer back to. Yes,
Jared Correia (19:18):
Guideposts
Giselle Rodriguez (19:18):
That I wouldn't want to miss. And even the intro line, I mean, there's a science to this and I think, I can't remember the name of the system that T uses to figure out how the intro line will be, but there is a science behind it just to catch people's attention. And also with my current interns, we get a lot of hate on social media of people saying, oh, you should get deported along with these illegal aliens and comments like that. But we use that to our advantage. And of course we don't respond with hate. We don't meet hate with hate, we meet hate with education. So we have this misinformed comment of the day campaign that the interns love to do actually pretty popular.
New Speaker (20:02):
I love that. That's amazing.
Giselle Rodriguez (20:04):
They respond to the very educational, fully established response to these people, and we call them out, even though I don't like to tag them, we don't tag them, but of course people can see who commented. So it's pretty fun.
Jared Correia (20:20):
I would classify that under fuck around and find out. I mean, listen, Zel doesn't tag them. I do.
Giselle Rodriguez (20:28):
He goes all out responding to people. I stay away from that. It's not worth it for me.
Jared Correia (20:33):
The president is an asshole, so every asshole now thinks they can say whatever they want to say. It's bullshit. So I think it's great that you're doing that. So can we talk about the insurance for a second? You guys have 57,000 interns. It's like the cast of the 10 Commandments. God, I'm really old. I think that movie came out in the fifties. So how do you manage all that and why did you decide to go so hard on the entrance stuff? Not everybody does that.
Giselle Rodriguez (21:05):
I think for me, during college and even high school law school, I did a lot of internships that I didn't enjoy. So I always told myself if and when I opened my practice, I wasn't going to have in interns do what I did before. I mean, there was an internship where all I did was shred paper. So I told myself I would give them value meeting with clients, having them sit in consultations of course with the consent of the client, drafting spousal statements, quality work. And I think that was my mindset and having all these interns, and of course I keep track of everything they do because eventually if they need a letter of rec, I know where to refer to draft a detailed letter. So I think again, it all goes back to being organized.
Jared Correia (21:55):
So the interns help you, but you also want to get back a little bit, it sounds like.
New Speaker (22:00):
Awesome.
Jared Correia (22:01):
Sure. Tricia, let's move back to you for a second. So Giselle mentioned that there is kind of a science to putting these video campaigns together. And I'm still shocked by, I don't want you to give away the farm. Let me be clear. I don't want you to
Tristian Shannon (22:17):
Listen
Jared Correia (22:17):
Free strategy
Tristian Shannon (22:18):
With me. For me, people are not going to go to the extent that I go to. It takes a lot.
Jared Correia (22:26):
So can we talk about that for a second? And then if you want to get deeper, just contact Tristian. He's an overlook. Yeah, let's do it. I am always shocked that lawyers and business owners are out there being like, Hey, let's just fuck around and post some videos and see what happens. And they never get to the point where they're like, oh, there's an algorithm behind this,
New Speaker (22:47):
Or
Jared Correia (22:48):
Maybe I should post this at a certain time, or maybe I should use certain keywords. Why do you think that is? And then how did you get into that part of the process? Did you just have a natural affinity for this or is it something you had to teach yourself over the course of time?
Tristian Shannon (23:02):
I mean, it was a little, I think the biggest thing to help is I made a lot of mistakes back in my real estate career when I was posting videos, it was more I had the mindset of let me just post up content and see what happens. But what happened was with Giselle, when I started creating videos, they started getting views quickly. And then I started understanding, okay, well why is it getting views right? And one of the examples is that I would always post at a particular time on Thursday. This was not planned or anything, it was just how it fit my schedule. And that Thursday video would always do well. And so one day we had a crazy day and I wasn't really thinking, and I just threw up the video on Thursday at this specific time, and it didn't really do that well. So I was kind of bothered by how, why didn't it do well this week? Why did it do well on all the other weeks? And I came to realize that I had messed up and unintentionally I was posting Spanish videos on Thursday at a particular retirement day will go viral every time.
(24:12):
The one day that I wasn't really focused, I posted an English video, which was telling me, oh, okay, what is this trying to tell me? And that's when I started digging in deeper where the time of day you post matters versus an English video versus the Spanish video versus if it's a long weekend, depending on what it is, you might see more views, you might not see a lot of views. And then that's when I started talking to Phil, who's our SEO guy, and he started saying, Hey, so this video gained a lot of traction. And I'm like, wait a minute. Why did that video gain a lot of traction on social media? It didn't. But for whatever reason on her YouTube and her website, it did. And then that's where I started to figure it out, keywords and search terms matter. And when I started combining those with a strong hook, what's the keyword in search term that people are looking for or maybe not talking enough about? And I started mixing and matching and that's when I started seeing like, oh, there is a method to the madness. Are you just willing to put in the work and dig deep to figure out what's working versus what's not working and why?
Jared Correia (25:32):
Trial and error, basically, intellectual curiosity. It sounds
Tristian Shannon (25:36):
Like you take immigration. Everyone wants to talk about deportation, tourist visas, marriage visas. Nobody really wants to talk about the difference between an N 600 and N 600 K. That's not an appealing video, that's not going to get you views, but that's a common question that people come to immigration attorneys about. So I didn't see any other law firm, any other attorney have that on their website, talk about that on YouTube. So I told Giselle, Hey, I wrote a script. Let's just check it out and see what goes on. Wew wrote the script. It's been three years since we wrote that YouTube video. We have barely a hundred views, but it's probably made the firm close to six figure that one video because we were the only ones complex. Yeah, such a niche topic, a complex question and simplify it so that way people could find her. And that's when I started getting obsessed with what are things that we can talk about to simplify that other attorneys and law firms are not doing, not because they're lazy, I think all of them are lazy, but because they just don't have the time.
Jared Correia (26:39):
Alright, one more question for give like 10 seconds of advice each of you, Giselle, I'll start with you. You both started businesses from scratch. What would you say to somebody who's thinking about doing the same thing but is afraid to pull the trigger?
Giselle Rodriguez (26:57):
I would say you do not know at all. Look for people to help you. I think in our field, we think that we know it all or that we can do it all, and that's just false. So be humble and just seek for help.
Jared Correia (27:13):
Look for the helpers. As Fred Rogers once said, Christian, you got the last word on the interview segment. What would you tell people who were reluctant to launch a business for the first time?
Tristian Shannon (27:24):
I would just say, take the risk. It's not going to be perfect. You're going to make a lot of mistakes, but don't not take the risk because you care about what other people think or you lack the belief. We made a lot of mistakes growing the firm, but the amount of ground that we covered through that and the experience, you're just not going to find that anywhere else unless you take the risk.
Jared Correia (27:49):
Excellent. We have one last segment coming up. Do you want to stick around? I made pigs in a blanket for everybody.
Giselle Rodriguez (27:55):
Absolutely.
Jared Correia (27:56):
I'll
Tristian Shannon (27:56):
Stick around for you.
Jared Correia (27:58):
All right, we'll be back in a second everybody. Welcome to the Counter program. We're back. It's a podcast within a podcast. This is a conversational space where we can address usually unrelated topics that I want to explore at greater depth with my guests. Expect no rhyme and very little reason. Today we're debuting an entirely new segment that's going to become a regular segment. I can just feel it. I'm going to call it The Wheel of Justice, and frankly, it doesn't have anything to do with justice at all, but it is a wheel and this is a legal podcast after all. So that's the best I could come up with. So before we get rolling, I want to tell you about what we're going to do and where this segment riess from. So I could do a whole episode on my favorite dive bars in Boston, and if the people demand it, I will do it.
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But there is one particular watering hole in Boston called Bakowski Tavern. It's this thin long building, and it's located at a Prudential center. It's actually built above an overpass on the Mass Pike, very Massachusetts. If you take a look at some of the Google reviews, people are complaining about the dark and decaying atmosphere, a lack of air conditioning, and one person even compared the mashed potatoes to animal semen. Not entirely sure how someone has that experience, but I'll leave that aside for now. To me, those are all pluses for a dive bar. Now what Bakowski does have is the wheel. So behind the bar, there's this huge wheel with all sorts of different drinks on it. You spin the wheel and you buy the drink that comes up no matter what it is. It's this fantastic conceit that we're going to borrow for this section.
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So I once took legal late night producer Evan Cheri to Bakowski, and he spun twice and both times he got Buckler, a non-alcoholic beer. I guess the wheel giveth and the wheel taketh away. Friends. So Tristian, Giselle, this is easy. We spin the wheel, you answer the question. Our categories today are as follows. Well, that's annoying at the movies. Guilty pleasure. Name that. Tune, meet cute grin, and bear it kidding around the gong Show Tech time and three in a row. So we've got 10 categories. We're not going to get to 'em all completely unscripted. We'll see where this goes. I literally have no idea. Evan, shall we give the wheel a spin at the movies? At the movies? Is question one? Not bad? Okay, so Tristian, I'm going to start with you. What's the worst movie Giselle's been in?
Tristian Shannon (31:07):
I don't want to do this, but that one with Stephen King, that recent one That was terrible, man, I can't even believe he gets the, what's the name of it? The Sandbox Lot. Salem's Lot. Salem
Giselle Rodriguez (31:21):
Lot
Tristian Shannon (31:21):
Salem's lot. Not a fan.
Giselle Rodriguez (31:23):
Not a fan. I didn't take the come Fair. No, I was a nurse.
Tristian Shannon (31:25):
That was trash. I had to sit through that too. I can all liked it. That was trash. Sorry. Okay,
Jared Correia (31:36):
I'm going to look it up on streaming and I'm going to give it a wash though, just to confirm and I want to support. Don't
Giselle Rodriguez (31:43):
Think that you know how T is.
Jared Correia (31:44):
Oh yeah, yeah. He's a harsh critic. All right. Just out coming over to you, what's the best movie you've been in other than Salem's Lot, but I digress.
Giselle Rodriguez (31:55):
I know. I must say either Good Burger two with Mark Cuban, or Spirited with Ryan Reynolds and Will Ferrell.
Jared Correia (32:05):
Oh yeah,
Giselle Rodriguez (32:05):
We really fun to do. Yeah.
Jared Correia (32:08):
Cool. Good. Burger two?
Giselle Rodriguez (32:11):
Yes.
Jared Correia (32:12):
I was unaware of a good burger one, but I do know the sketch on Nickelodeon. Okay.
Tristian Shannon (32:18):
Our first date was at the movies. Really?
Jared Correia (32:20):
Which movie?
Tristian Shannon (32:22):
It was Jumanji with Kevin Hart and The Rock.
Jared Correia (32:25):
Oh, really?
Tristian Shannon (32:26):
Yeah, it was fun.
Jared Correia (32:27):
She
Tristian Shannon (32:27):
Brought me there and I was so fascinated because it was the first movie theater I'd been to where they serve you state tips. I'm like as a
Giselle Rodriguez (32:33):
Fancy theater.
Tristian Shannon (32:36):
I never knew that I'm from the projects. We ain't got that. You're
Jared Correia (32:40):
Like, wait, they have food here.
Giselle Rodriguez (32:43):
Oh God.
Jared Correia (32:44):
Oh, that's really funny. My wife and I, our first date was when we went to go see. It's a wonderful Life in theaters in 1941. Anyway, Evan, let's spin the wheel given another spin, and now my wife is going to be pissed. She's not old. I'm so much older. Okay, three in a row. Trition, which seat do you prefer on an airplane?
Tristian Shannon (33:11):
Window seat.
Jared Correia (33:13):
Any reason behind that?
Tristian Shannon (33:15):
I want to be able to control if I can open and close the window
Jared Correia (33:20):
To be able to see outside. Gotcha. Okay. That didn't work out too well for William Shatner on the Twilight Zone, but Giselle, same question for you. Which airplane seat is your favorite
Giselle Rodriguez (33:32):
Growing up? Definitely the window, but now the aisle,
Jared Correia (33:36):
You put the childish things away. You don't want to look out the window, but you do want to be able to get up to go to the bathroom whenever you'd like.
Giselle Rodriguez (33:45):
I get very anxious now in flames, so knowing that I'm in the aisle, I feel more in control.
Jared Correia (33:50):
Okay.
Giselle Rodriguez (33:51):
I always count the seeks to know how far it is from the exit in case I think about the worst all the time. So I think that's what,
Jared Correia (34:00):
But you are a lawyer. That's your job description. Well, the good news is no fights on the planes because you each get the seat you want. Evan, spin that wheel. Wait, this is fun. I like this. I can get used to this. Alright, what do we get next? Well, that's annoying. Oh, this is a great one. Now I feel like an asshole. Okay. Giselle, what's the most annoying thing that Tristian does? I'm here. Don't hold back. He could take it. I try. Answer this very
Giselle Rodriguez (34:31):
Politically.
Jared Correia (34:33):
I knew you would.
Giselle Rodriguez (34:36):
He's actually a sweetheart, believe it or not.
Jared Correia (34:39):
Of course he is. Of course he is.
Giselle Rodriguez (34:41):
But what's else snowy?
Jared Correia (34:43):
Nothing annoys you about him. How could it, oh, you know I'm not holding back. So
Giselle Rodriguez (34:48):
You better. I'm not holding back. He's very protective and me growing up as an only child, I always am not used to that. I've always been protective of
New Speaker (34:59):
Myself,
Giselle Rodriguez (35:01):
So it can seem annoying at times, but I know that he means no harm. Yes.
Jared Correia (35:05):
I like how you did that. You did the old job interview thing where you're like, let me talk about a good quality of this person and try to spin it. Trisha, I think I can count on you to not hold back here.
Giselle Rodriguez (35:18):
So you better be careful how you answer that.
Jared Correia (35:21):
Yeah, just be careful. This is going to be recorded for posterity.
Tristian Shannon (35:26):
I think for me it's when you know, go to buy something and they say four, a hundred dollars more. You can have full coverage and insurance for a or would you like to make a donation at this charity? Every fucking time. I'll do it for what I bumper. I don't even understand it. I get so annoyed with that.
Giselle Rodriguez (35:49):
Well, the insurance me think about the worst.
Jared Correia (35:52):
I could see that. That track. All right. That wasn't too bad actually. Evan, maybe one or two more. What do you think? I'm just having too much fun to stop. 3, 3, 4. Alright, here we go. Kidding around. This is a good one. It's not going to be controversial, but Tristian, when you were 12 years old, what was your most prized possession?
Tristian Shannon (36:18):
You really want to know?
Jared Correia (36:20):
Yeah, if it's like Allen
Tristian Shannon (36:22):
Iris in Jersey.
Jared Correia (36:24):
Oh really? Yeah. Nice. Signed or?
Tristian Shannon (36:28):
Yeah, it was signed. Now that I think about it, it was probably a fake signature, but I don't have no way to prove it now.
Jared Correia (36:35):
Yeah, that's all right. It doesn't diminish the magic at all. You still have it?
Tristian Shannon (36:39):
No, I don't. That's too bad. I'll tell you, my mom's ex-boyfriend who was running away from the FBI for murder stole it.
Jared Correia (36:48):
Excuse me. What? Your mom's ex-boyfriend OJ Simpson?
Tristian Shannon (36:53):
Yeah, pretty much. Sorry,
Jared Correia (36:56):
I'm sad you lost the Alan Iverson jersey.
Tristian Shannon (36:58):
Yeah, it was sick.
Jared Correia (37:00):
Christmas is coming. Giselle, same question for you. When you were 12, what was your most prized possession in the world?
Giselle Rodriguez (37:10):
I think my grandfather, I still have those somewhere. He would give me the $2 bills and different pulling the antique. I think I still have those somewhere, but also I used to collect those dolls. The Pollock dolls.
Jared Correia (37:28):
Oh yes.
Giselle Rodriguez (37:28):
They're actually really expensive and I have 10 or 12.
Jared Correia (37:35):
Do you still have them or,
Giselle Rodriguez (37:36):
I don't think so. No. This
Jared Correia (37:39):
Is tragic.
Giselle Rodriguez (37:40):
I know it is. They're probably in Puerto Rico. Still in a box,
Jared Correia (37:46):
Man. We can't end on a downer. Let's do one more question. Evan hit it.
Giselle Rodriguez (37:52):
I'm hoping the guilty SL one?
Jared Correia (37:55):
Yes. Oh no, the Gong show. The Gong Show. Okay. Let's start with Giselle. This time you told us about practicing law. You told us about acting, but what's your secret talent that no one knows about?
Giselle Rodriguez (38:11):
I like to think I know how to sing, but I don't know. I'm very shy. I don't know if that's true or not.
Jared Correia (38:19):
You want to give us a little bit?
Giselle Rodriguez (38:20):
No. Nope. I didn't think so.
Jared Correia (38:27):
Singing's a good one.
Giselle Rodriguez (38:28):
I like writing. I used to write when I was in middle school, like poems and I think I got that from my grandpa for sure. The writing part. So yeah, maybe make poetry
Jared Correia (38:42):
Maybe once you get tired of the acting stuff. One of these days you're just going to be writing
Giselle Rodriguez (38:46):
Songs. Exactly. That'd be nice.
Jared Correia (38:49):
Tricia, the last word is yours. You've had some time to think about it. What is a special talent that you have that no one knows about?
Tristian Shannon (38:57):
I Body People on Call of Duty
Giselle Rodriguez (39:01):
Does. Really
Tristian Shannon (39:03):
Does? Yeah. I can't even, I'm body people and anyone can get it. I don't care. You're 12. You are grown. Man, I just, I'm constantly, that's like my stress reliever. The long day at work just to go on Xboxes, start running my mouth and killing people.
Jared Correia (39:22):
Should people know your username so they can avoid you? Is it for public consumption?
Tristian Shannon (39:27):
I'm not going to say that. I always get chat banned for what I say, so I'll try to, I got chat band again, so I got to go into a special chat to communicate with my team. But yeah,
Jared Correia (39:38):
Just never know. You're in Call of Duty with Trisha. The next thing you know, headshot. Thank you both for doing this. That was actually really fun. First time we ever did it. I appreciate it. It was thanks to our guests, Tristian, Shannon and Gisele Rodriguez of the Law offices of Giselle m Rodriguez, PLLC. To learn more about the law offices of Gisele m Rodriguez, PLL C, visit GM rodriguez law.com. That's GM rodriguez law.com now, because I'll always be a nineties kid with a blossom tattoo on my right inner thigh. Don't tell anyone whose true passion was burning CDs for anyone who would listen. I'm now just doing the modern version of that, which is to create Spotify playlists for every podcast episode that I record where the songs are tangentially related to an episode topic, tangentially being the keyword there. This week's playlist is all of the music I love that I'm really embarrassed to listen to. Like hair metal, bubble gum, pop kids songs and more. It's all sponsored by 20 Mule team Borax. The one ingredient I always forget when my daughter wants to make slime. I'm just kidding. By the way, borax hasn't sponsored shit, but I wish they would hit me up. Join us next time when I clip my toenails for the full 45 minute episode. Did really long.