Butcher and Blackbird

Nora and Alyssa talk about a spicy dark romance about two serial killers' stories of lust, murder, and overcoming trauma together.

What is He's Just The Plot?

Join Nora and Alyssa, counselors in training, as they dissect the love interests of your favorite romance novels. Asking the hard hitting question: Is he hot, or is it trauma?

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What's the difference between moody and

What's the difference between moody and
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intimate and morally gray? So, the moody

intimate and morally gray? So, the moody
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and intimate one is in the quiet between

and intimate one is in the quiet between
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heartbeats. They find each other. A

heartbeats. They find each other. A
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killer and it's match drawn between

killer and it's match drawn between
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drawn together by death. Bound I can't

drawn together by death. Bound I can't
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say this seriously.

say this seriously.
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Say it. If you're going to say it, say

Say it. If you're going to say it, say
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Welcome to another episode of He's Just

Welcome to another episode of He's Just
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the Plot, a podcast about book boys and

the Plot, a podcast about book boys and
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wondering, are they okay? Probably not.

wondering, are they okay? Probably not.
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Probably not.

Probably not.
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Not this one.

Not this one.
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Are we okay?

Are we okay?
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Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.
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Here, we analyze our book boyfriends and

Here, we analyze our book boyfriends and
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apply counseling theories and techniques

apply counseling theories and techniques
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we would use if they were our clients.

we would use if they were our clients.
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Because guys aren't the only people who

Because guys aren't the only people who
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say, "Maybe we should take a break."

say, "Maybe we should take a break."
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That's how I felt about this book. Maybe

That's how I felt about this book. Maybe
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we should take a break. I kind of dig

we should take a break. I kind of dig
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the book, but that's why it's okay to

the book, but that's why it's okay to
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have different opinions. 100%. But this

have different opinions. 100%. But this
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is exactly why I didn't want to go into

is exactly why I didn't want to go into
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this genre.

this genre.
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Who are you?

Who are you?
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Hi, I'm Melissa, a resident overthinker,

Hi, I'm Melissa, a resident overthinker,
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professional character therapist, and

professional character therapist, and
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someone who's starting to worry about my

someone who's starting to worry about my
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ideal man list being nothing but DSM5

ideal man list being nothing but DSM5
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diagnostic checklist.

diagnostic checklist.
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Ooh, I like that. I liked professional

Ooh, I like that. I liked professional
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character therapist.

character therapist.
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Thank you.

Thank you.
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That was that's a title that I want.

That was that's a title that I want.
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Sounds a lot better than like regular

Sounds a lot better than like regular
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therapist.

therapist.
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I'm just an unlicensed therapist

I'm just an unlicensed therapist
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currently.

currently.
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soon to be home.

soon to be home.
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Hi, and I'm Nora.

Hi, and I'm Nora.
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Equal parts romantic and realist here to

Equal parts romantic and realist here to
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ask the hard-hitting questions like, "Is

ask the hard-hitting questions like, "Is
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murder foreplay now? And should we be

murder foreplay now? And should we be
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calling HR about the level of trauma

calling HR about the level of trauma
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bonding?" They are good questions

bonding?" They are good questions
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pertaining to this book.

pertaining to this book.
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Pertaining to this book. This is a lot

Pertaining to this book. This is a lot
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of a lot of trauma bonding. So, if you

of a lot of trauma bonding. So, if you
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haven't guessed it already, today we're

haven't guessed it already, today we're
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talking about the book Butcher and

talking about the book Butcher and
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Blackbird by Brin Weaver.

Blackbird by Brin Weaver.
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Okay. It is Brin.

Okay. It is Brin.
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That's what I said. Were you

That's what I said. Were you
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No, that's where I I thought it I

No, that's where I I thought it I
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couldn't I don't know.

couldn't I don't know.
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There's a good chance that all of the

There's a good chance that all of the
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things we say are pronounced wrong.

things we say are pronounced wrong.
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Like, I honestly still don't know in

Like, I honestly still don't know in
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Metal Slinger if it's alahha or not.

Metal Slinger if it's alahha or not.
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Me either. Or like if it's Joy or maybe

Me either. Or like if it's Joy or maybe
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some other

some other
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maybe it's not Aker maybe it's

maybe it's not Aker maybe it's
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Aerk it could be a

Aerk it could be a
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could be oh my god anyway butcher and

could be oh my god anyway butcher and
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blackbird by B weaver

blackbird by B weaver
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from the ruinous love trilogy

from the ruinous love trilogy
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ruinous love trilogy that's a hard word

ruinous love trilogy that's a hard word
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to say

to say
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yes it's three books right

yes it's three books right
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it's three books yes books about the

it's three books yes books about the
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older brother and then the third book's

older brother and then the third book's
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about the younger brother, right?

about the younger brother, right?
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Yeah. And I got to say,

Yeah. And I got to say,
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the younger brother is very interesting

the younger brother is very interesting
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with his

with his
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carnival. Agreed. But before we get too

carnival. Agreed. But before we get too
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far into this, we do want to warn you

far into this, we do want to warn you
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that there are spoilers ahead. This is

that there are spoilers ahead. This is
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there's going to be a lot of spoilers.

there's going to be a lot of spoilers.
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So, if you do want to read Butcher and

So, if you do want to read Butcher and
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Blackbird, I highly recommend that you

Blackbird, I highly recommend that you
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come back when you finished. will still

come back when you finished. will still
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be here ready to ready to talk about

be here ready to ready to talk about
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this with you because there's a lot

this with you because there's a lot
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there's a lot here.

there's a lot here.
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Yeah, I would read the trigger warnings

Yeah, I would read the trigger warnings
too.

too.

too.
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I I would too and I did and then because

I I would too and I did and then because
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I'm doing this for the podcast was like

I'm doing this for the podcast was like
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ah kept reading

ah kept reading
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kept reading but moment of silence for

kept reading but moment of silence for
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those who need to tune off

those who need to tune off
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and we're back. So to kind of give you

and we're back. So to kind of give you
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an overview of this book, chef by day,

an overview of this book, chef by day,
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serial killer by night, Rowan has met

serial killer by night, Rowan has met
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his match in Sloan. This morally gray

his match in Sloan. This morally gray
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pair set up a annual competition to die

pair set up a annual competition to die
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for. This murderously fun mayhem may

for. This murderously fun mayhem may
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leave one or both of them with a broken

leave one or both of them with a broken
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heart. So basically, these two serial

heart. So basically, these two serial
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killers find each other. They're like,

killers find each other. They're like,
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"Let's let's compete. Let's see who can

"Let's let's compete. Let's see who can
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murder. This is why they're morally

murder. This is why they're morally
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gray. And this is a interesting point

gray. And this is a interesting point
debate

debate

debate
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cuz they're like we only murder people

cuz they're like we only murder people
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who deserve to get murdered like other

who deserve to get murdered like other
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murderers and

murderers and
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it's like an eye for an eye.

it's like an eye for an eye.
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Yeah, definitely an eye for an eye. So

Yeah, definitely an eye for an eye. So
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they find really terrible people and

they find really terrible people and
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then they are like let's go have some

then they are like let's go have some
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fun. Which this is not my idea of fun.

fun. Which this is not my idea of fun.
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The book itself is very graphic and I

The book itself is very graphic and I
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struggled with that. So if you like

struggled with that. So if you like
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gore, this is the book for you.

gore, this is the book for you.
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But they end up falling in love,

But they end up falling in love,
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finding each other, feeling very special

finding each other, feeling very special
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between fixing each other's broken

between fixing each other's broken
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bones, they also fixed each other's

bones, they also fixed each other's
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broken hearts.

broken hearts.
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Yes. And our male lead is Rowan Kaine

Yes. And our male lead is Rowan Kaine
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who's a Michelin level chef slash secret

who's a Michelin level chef slash secret
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vigilante serial killer. So maybe some

vigilante serial killer. So maybe some
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sublimation happening there. He's 33

sublimation happening there. He's 33
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which appropriate age. And they meet

which appropriate age. And they meet
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well for him. That's for him. I guess

well for him. That's for him. I guess
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I think Sloan is actually

I think Sloan is actually
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she's 25. No.

she's 25. No.
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Well I think when they met she she was

Well I think when they met she she was
younger.

younger.

younger.
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She was like 22 or 23.

She was like 22 or 23.
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This happens over the span of four

This happens over the span of four
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years. So, this is actually like

years. So, this is actually like
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a relatively

a relatively
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I think it's a good timeline

I think it's a good timeline
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to fall in love with someone.

to fall in love with someone.
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Unhealthy characters, healthy timeline.

Unhealthy characters, healthy timeline.
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And definitely friends, if you're a

And definitely friends, if you're a
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friends to lovers,

friends to lovers,
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this is for sure friends to lover.

this is for sure friends to lover.
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This is for sure friends to lovers.

This is for sure friends to lovers.
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There's some good pining.

There's some good pining.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
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Love a good pine.

Love a good pine.
Um,

Um,

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love a man that falls first.

love a man that falls first.
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And hard.

And hard.
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And hard.

And hard.
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And hard. like page one hard.

And hard. like page one hard.
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I was like,

I was like,
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and he was like, "Yes."

and he was like, "Yes."
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Okay. And we're in it.

Okay. And we're in it.
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I would say the high point of the book

I would say the high point of the book
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is for me definitely the length of time

is for me definitely the length of time
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it took them to get to the point where

it took them to get to the point where
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they were willing to be in a

they were willing to be in a
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relationship. Um, and it was a really

relationship. Um, and it was a really
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slow build based on them needing to get

slow build based on them needing to get
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to know each other because very

to know each other because very
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obviously they both have trust issues.

obviously they both have trust issues.
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They both have a very traumatic past

They both have a very traumatic past
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which has led to a very traumatic

which has led to a very traumatic
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present. And so I I think that though

present. And so I I think that though
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that they took the time to really open

that they took the time to really open
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up and begin to trust one another was

up and begin to trust one another was
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maybe the healthiest thing in the book.

maybe the healthiest thing in the book.
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I agree. I agree. I think that was my

I agree. I agree. I think that was my
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high point too is just the time line of

high point too is just the time line of
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it. I really enjoyed like watching them

it. I really enjoyed like watching them
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grow as friends and then that ability to

grow as friends and then that ability to
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like find more within that. And then my

like find more within that. And then my
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low point, honestly, the banter I really

low point, honestly, the banter I really
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didn't like. And this is going to be a

didn't like. And this is going to be a
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lot of people's high points because

lot of people's high points because
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people talk about the banter all the

people talk about the banter all the
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time,

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but I thought it was all too on the

but I thought it was all too on the
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nose. And I also felt like Sloan was

nose. And I also felt like Sloan was
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really young when they met and still I

really young when they met and still I
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mean and it took a long time to get to

mean and it took a long time to get to
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where they are. So I appreciate that.

where they are. So I appreciate that.
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But she's young and like and maybe

But she's young and like and maybe
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that's why I found the banter banter

that's why I found the banter banter
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annoying because I was like

annoying because I was like
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this is childish.

this is childish.
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Also stop murdering people. I I think

Also stop murdering people. I I think
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also I the low point was all the murder

also I the low point was all the murder
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and gore.

and gore.
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Yeah. I think the banter felt like just

Yeah. I think the banter felt like just
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like I I in I don't I think that's where

like I I in I don't I think that's where
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it like gets really hard with like

it like gets really hard with like
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romance books or like any genre dealing

romance books or like any genre dealing
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with romance where it sometimes feels

with romance where it sometimes feels
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like a watt pad and I feel like I'm 13

like a watt pad and I feel like I'm 13
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years old again reading

years old again reading
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that banter

that banter
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and so I think there was like moments

and so I think there was like moments
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where I there was moments where I

where I there was moments where I
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enjoyed it and I thought it was really

enjoyed it and I thought it was really
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good and I think I enjoyed it like more

good and I think I enjoyed it like more
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towards like the end of the book. I will

towards like the end of the book. I will
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say, yeah, the beginning was the hardest

say, yeah, the beginning was the hardest
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part for me and then

part for me and then
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towards the end I was like, okay, okay,

towards the end I was like, okay, okay,
okay.

okay.

okay.
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You said I'm done.

You said I'm done.
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You're going to do what with your

You're going to do what with your
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Yeah, that honestly I'm There was Yeah.

Yeah, that honestly I'm There was Yeah.
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Yeah, there was another low point, but I

Yeah, there was another low point, but I
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think it goes against like preference of

think it goes against like preference of
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like what you enjoy reading. Wait, what

like what you enjoy reading. Wait, what
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was your other low point?

was your other low point?
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I don't know. The the one part where So,

I don't know. The the one part where So,
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obviously there was like chapters of

obviously there was like chapters of
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just like straight sex, right?

just like straight sex, right?
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Yeah. This is if you want spicy, this is

Yeah. This is if you want spicy, this is
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the spice.

the spice.
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This was I had to be like I

This was I had to be like I
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shouldn't read this book where I am

shouldn't read this book where I am
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right now.

right now.
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Yeah. I had read it and I read it on my

Yeah. I had read it and I read it on my
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Kindle, but I was also listening to it.

Kindle, but I was also listening to it.
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So, I think listening to it was also

So, I think listening to it was also
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really interesting. And

really interesting. And
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Oh, yeah. cuz you had the Irish accent.

Oh, yeah. cuz you had the Irish accent.
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I did.

I did.
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Oh, he's Irish by the way.

Oh, he's Irish by the way.
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Oh, yes. We need to incorporate that.

Oh, yes. We need to incorporate that.
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We need to incorporate that because

We need to incorporate that because
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there is some cultural awareness that

there is some cultural awareness that
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needs to happen.

needs to happen.
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Absolutely. No. And if any of y'all like

Absolutely. No. And if any of y'all like
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audio books,

audio books,
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I'm not going to lie, the Irish accent

I'm not going to lie, the Irish accent
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in the audio book

in the audio book
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was hot.

was hot.
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That's That's

That's That's
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it was hot.

it was hot.
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It did it for me. Some of the This is my

It did it for me. Some of the This is my
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thing when it comes to sex in books. I'm

thing when it comes to sex in books. I'm
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pro have a sex scene in a book,

pro have a sex scene in a book,
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but the sex needs to move the plot

but the sex needs to move the plot
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forward. I don't need to read gratuitous

forward. I don't need to read gratuitous
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amounts of sex scenes for the sake of

amounts of sex scenes for the sake of
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Yeah. like having them.

Yeah. like having them.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
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Which if you do, that's fine. I'm not

Which if you do, that's fine. I'm not
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But that for me, I'm like, okay, that's

But that for me, I'm like, okay, that's
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that's enough

that's enough
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at this point. Like I I want I want the

at this point. Like I I want I want the
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story to keep going. Mhm.

story to keep going. Mhm.
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So I I need her to finish.

So I I need her to finish.
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She finished a lot.

She finished a lot.
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She finished

She finished
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a lot. Yeah.

a lot. Yeah.
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There was just like I felt like I was

There was just like I felt like I was
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seen like 45 minutes of just straight. I

seen like 45 minutes of just straight. I
don't

don't

don't
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I'm like she needs some electrolyte

I'm like she needs some electrolyte
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literally. And then at there was like

literally. And then at there was like
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one scene where she was he was ready to

one scene where she was he was ready to
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go to bed and she was like she was ready

go to bed and she was like she was ready
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to keep going. I was like a girl.

to keep going. I was like a girl.
How

How

How
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you're you're broken.

you're you're broken.
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Not cuz you want like literally

Not cuz you want like literally
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physically you

physically you
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I think like a lot of it too is like he

I think like a lot of it too is like he
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wanted to fulfill her like fantasies

wanted to fulfill her like fantasies
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that she had and she had really

that she had and she had really
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interesting ones but there was the I

interesting ones but there was the I
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think like one scene or maybe it was

think like one scene or maybe it was
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more I can't remember now. They did anal

more I can't remember now. They did anal
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and I don't I'm not that's not if that's

and I don't I'm not that's not if that's
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your forte good for you. I give props.

your forte good for you. I give props.
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It's not mine. And

It's not mine. And
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we're not here to yuck others yums and

we're not here to yuck others yums and
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like sex is super important and how you

like sex is super important and how you
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how if you are two consenting adults how

how if you are two consenting adults how
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you have sex is how you have sex and

you have sex is how you have sex and
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that is for you.

that is for you.
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Yeah. So I think but

Yeah. So I think but
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how they have sex is not for me.

how they have sex is not for me.
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Yeah. That was the only thing that I was

Yeah. That was the only thing that I was
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like okay no I I've got to skip that.

like okay no I I've got to skip that.
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But that's just cuz it's it's my

But that's just cuz it's it's my
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personal preference. Like I just don't

personal preference. Like I just don't
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like that. So, there's some interesting

like that. So, there's some interesting
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things and I don't want to psychoanalyze

things and I don't want to psychoanalyze
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Sloan too much, but like she had

Sloan too much, but like she had
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a traumatic past and really internalized

a traumatic past and really internalized
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her friends um

her friends um
yes,

yes,

yes,
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sexual assault, which is terrible. And

sexual assault, which is terrible. And
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that's really what starts off her

that's really what starts off her
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vengeance. Vengeance. I would say they

vengeance. Vengeance. I would say they
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both have a compulsion for murder and

both have a compulsion for murder and
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that's what her compulsion stems from.

that's what her compulsion stems from.
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But then I think it also is internalized

But then I think it also is internalized
in

in

in
her

her

her
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desires around sex and also I think her

desires around sex and also I think her
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how she treats her body cuz there's also

how she treats her body cuz there's also
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a lot of piercings

a lot of piercings
that

that

that
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were fine, acceptable. Love that for

were fine, acceptable. Love that for
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you. But I I struggled with Sloan to see

you. But I I struggled with Sloan to see
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if they were cuz she described them as

if they were cuz she described them as
armor.<00:12:16.240> Mhm.

armor. Mhm.

armor. Mhm.
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And they were in a very sensitive area.

And they were in a very sensitive area.
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And so is there

And so is there
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kind of this subconscious

kind of this subconscious
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thing that's being acted out with having

thing that's being acted out with having
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piercings there and thinking of them as

piercings there and thinking of them as
armor

armor

armor
and

and

and
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also with her her compulsion for killing

also with her her compulsion for killing
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stemming from a sexual assault. And so I

stemming from a sexual assault. And so I
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I think that also like the sex

I think that also like the sex
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would have been fine if they were both

would have been fine if they were both
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mentally healthy people. Yeah.

mentally healthy people. Yeah.
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But I think because they were both

But I think because they were both
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mentally a little unstable. And I I am

mentally a little unstable. And I I am
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comfortable saying that out loud because

comfortable saying that out loud because
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they're serial killers,

they're serial killers,
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which is not like a normal that's not a

which is not like a normal that's not a
normal<00:13:01.279> behavior.

normal behavior.

normal behavior.
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um that I question the way that they

um that I question the way that they
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went about having sex if that was

went about having sex if that was
healthy.

healthy.

healthy.
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Yeah, I agree. But I think it's also

Yeah, I agree. But I think it's also
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like figuring out like is the piercings

like figuring out like is the piercings
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in a sense like a self harm or is it

in a sense like a self harm or is it
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like a way to protect yourself? Because

like a way to protect yourself? Because
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I think people outside of like what we

I think people outside of like what we
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study like don't realize like tattooing

study like don't realize like tattooing
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and piercings can be a way of like

and piercings can be a way of like
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self harm. So, I was always raised like

self harm. So, I was always raised like
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don't get tattoos, don't get piercings

don't get tattoos, don't get piercings
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because they're a sign of like mental

because they're a sign of like mental
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illness. And I don't necessarily agree

illness. And I don't necessarily agree
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with that,

with that,
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but it can be. And it's always more

but it can be. And it's always more
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nuanced than we want to give it credit

nuanced than we want to give it credit
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for. And so I think with Salone,

for. And so I think with Salone,
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yeah, that is a really good question and

yeah, that is a really good question and
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point like is it a form of self harm

point like is it a form of self harm
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or like

or like
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self degradation in some degradation in

self degradation in some degradation in
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some way

some way
or

or

or
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is it because she actually like

is it because she actually like
aesthetically

aesthetically

aesthetically
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wants this. And I don't think she knows

wants this. And I don't think she knows
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the answer to that. Nor do I think she's

the answer to that. Nor do I think she's
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had time to even get to that point of

had time to even get to that point of
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asking herself those questions because

asking herself those questions because
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she has bigger questions like

she has bigger questions like
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why do I enjoy murdering people?

why do I enjoy murdering people?
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The same goes for Rowan. He also has

The same goes for Rowan. He also has
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such a

such a
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tum tumultuous past

tum tumultuous past
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with his father

with his father
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and his brothers and the the murder of

and his brothers and the the murder of
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his father is really what sets off his

his father is really what sets off his
compulsion.

compulsion.

compulsion.
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So, I don't I like I'm

So, I don't I like I'm
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Yeah, they he would be a tough client

Yeah, they he would be a tough client
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because also the the Irish are

because also the the Irish are
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notoriously difficult clients when it

notoriously difficult clients when it
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comes to mental health and I don't want

comes to mental health and I don't want
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to get like a bunch of Irish people mad

to get like a bunch of Irish people mad
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at me, but there are on on the island

at me, but there are on on the island
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there are a lot of

there are a lot of
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there's a lot more examples of like

there's a lot more examples of like
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mental health issues that go unchecked.

mental health issues that go unchecked.
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And I think today it's very different

And I think today it's very different
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than like even 10 years ago.

than like even 10 years ago.
Um,

Um,

Um,
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but when Rowan was living in Ireland, it

but when Rowan was living in Ireland, it
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would have been a much more conservative

would have been a much more conservative
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society that did not believe in mental

society that did not believe in mental
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health support. And it sounds like

health support. And it sounds like
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Yeah. And he came from a like a really

Yeah. And he came from a like a really
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destructive home and they did not

destructive home and they did not
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believe in like separating the home. Um,

believe in like separating the home. Um,
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and so they were willing like as a

and so they were willing like as a
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society to or or as a community for him

society to or or as a community for him
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to let him and his brother stay in that

to let him and his brother stay in that
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type of environment. That was really

type of environment. That was really
dangerous.

dangerous.

dangerous.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
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And so he took matters into his own hand

And so he took matters into his own hand
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with his older brother. And that's, you

with his older brother. And that's, you
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know, vengeance, vengeance gave him a

know, vengeance, vengeance gave him a
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sense of release that he now craves and

sense of release that he now craves and
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maybe a sense of control. And so I think

maybe a sense of control. And so I think
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as his counselor, we would have to go

as his counselor, we would have to go
back

back

back
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to the family. Um, but we would also

to the family. Um, but we would also
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work on like

work on like
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I think sublimation and and trying to

I think sublimation and and trying to
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channel those

channel those
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impulses into other more productive

impulses into other more productive
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areas. So he is a chef so I already

areas. So he is a chef so I already
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think he's started that in some way. um

think he's started that in some way. um
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and how we can enhance that to decrease

and how we can enhance that to decrease
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his need like can can we switch from

his need like can can we switch from
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hunting humans to I don't know to

hunting humans to I don't know to
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ethically hunting animals.

ethically hunting animals.
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What are your thoughts?

What are your thoughts?
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Um no I agree with a lot what you had to

Um no I agree with a lot what you had to
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say. I think definitely kind of going

say. I think definitely kind of going
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into that family aspect and just like

into that family aspect and just like
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like I think the counseling theory that

like I think the counseling theory that
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I talked about with Rowan was to kind of

I talked about with Rowan was to kind of
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go the attachment style. So he has like

go the attachment style. So he has like
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very much avoid an attachment and I

very much avoid an attachment and I
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think that's why it was really vital and

think that's why it was really vital and
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important for them to grow that

important for them to grow that
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friendship with each other before going

friendship with each other before going
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into a relationship.

into a relationship.
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um just cuz like childhood trauma that

um just cuz like childhood trauma that
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he had with their living situation. His

he had with their living situation. His
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dad, he's just very emotional isolating

dad, he's just very emotional isolating
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as well. Super hyperindependent.

as well. Super hyperindependent.
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And I definitely think he has control

And I definitely think he has control
issues.

issues.

issues.
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And I think it shows

And I think it shows
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in a lot of scenes throughout the book.

in a lot of scenes throughout the book.
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And I think it shows and in his cooking

And I think it shows and in his cooking
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as well. I think in a sense of like he

as well. I think in a sense of like he
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controls the kitchen, he controls what's

controls the kitchen, he controls what's
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on the menu type of thing. And so, but

on the menu type of thing. And so, but
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like in a sense that could be considered

like in a sense that could be considered
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a health like a healthy coping way of

a health like a healthy coping way of
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like you

like you
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are in a space where you feel like

are in a space where you feel like
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you're in control and you are in

you're in control and you are in
control,

control,

control,
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but then it was kind of just like really

but then it was kind of just like really
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interesting to see that control when it

interesting to see that control when it
came<00:17:40.559> to<00:17:41.360> um<00:17:41.520> Sloan.

came to um Sloan.

came to um Sloan.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
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I think there's like one part like she

I think there's like one part like she
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was late to a restaurant and he had like

was late to a restaurant and he had like
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5 minutes of like freaking the [ __ ] out.

5 minutes of like freaking the [ __ ] out.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
And<00:17:50.400> then<00:17:50.559> she<00:17:50.720> showed<00:17:50.960> up.

And then she showed up.

And then she showed up.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
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He's like she's never late. Blah blah

He's like she's never late. Blah blah
blah.<00:17:54.240> Like<00:17:54.799> I<00:17:55.039> don't<00:17:55.200> know.<00:17:55.679> It's<00:17:56.559> he<00:17:56.880> goes<00:17:57.200> to

blah. Like I don't know. It's he goes to

blah. Like I don't know. It's he goes to
catastrophize<00:17:58.720> immediately.

catastrophize immediately.

catastrophize immediately.
It's<00:18:00.559> never,

It's never,

It's never,
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oh, she's stuck in traffic or

oh, she's stuck in traffic or
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there's this reasonable explanation.

there's this reasonable explanation.
It's<00:18:09.440> immediately<00:18:09.919> the<00:18:10.080> worst<00:18:10.320> case

It's immediately the worst case

It's immediately the worst case
scenario.

scenario.

scenario.
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And that stems back to like for him a

And that stems back to like for him a
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lot of times immediately it was the

lot of times immediately it was the
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worst case scenario in his childhood.

worst case scenario in his childhood.
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And that as and we've talked about this

And that as and we've talked about this
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before, most of counseling is just

before, most of counseling is just
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learning to reparent yourself. Mhm.

learning to reparent yourself. Mhm.
Which<00:18:26.000> is<00:18:26.320> which<00:18:26.640> is<00:18:26.799> hard.

Which is which is hard.

Which is which is hard.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
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Like I he Rowan will need years and

Like I he Rowan will need years and
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years and years of of intensive therapy.

years and years of of intensive therapy.
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And I think you have to like with

And I think you have to like with
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clients similar to him and like with

clients similar to him and like with
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cultural backgrounds like him. I feel

cultural backgrounds like him. I feel
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like you have to really ease into

like you have to really ease into
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therapy too. So like I wouldn't straight

therapy too. So like I wouldn't straight
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off go off like let's talk about your

off go off like let's talk about your
childhood<00:18:46.880> trauma.

childhood trauma.

childhood trauma.
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Like that's No, I'm

Like that's No, I'm
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I'm going straight in.

I'm going straight in.
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I said so your dad abused you.

I said so your dad abused you.
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I think like that's where I think I was

I think like that's where I think I was
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like thinking of like counseling

like thinking of like counseling
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theories where I was like you know like

theories where I was like you know like
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let's start off with like your

let's start off with like your
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attachment style of like okay

attachment style of like okay
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this is kind of like what you're doing

this is kind of like what you're doing
here's<00:19:04.160> what's<00:19:04.320> going<00:19:04.480> on<00:19:04.559> in<00:19:04.799> your

here's what's going on in your

here's what's going on in your
relationship.<00:19:05.520> So<00:19:05.760> I<00:19:05.919> think<00:19:06.400> in<00:19:06.559> a<00:19:06.799> sense<00:19:07.039> like

relationship. So I think in a sense like

relationship. So I think in a sense like
Sloan<00:19:08.400> brings<00:19:08.960> out

Sloan brings out

Sloan brings out
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good and positive things with Rowan. So

good and positive things with Rowan. So
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like I think she becomes I guess in a

like I think she becomes I guess in a
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sense like breaks down his barriers that

sense like breaks down his barriers that
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he has like he has this wall built up

he has like he has this wall built up
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and like over time

and like over time
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she's like slowly breaking it down and I

she's like slowly breaking it down and I
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think there's parts and moments where he

think there's parts and moments where he
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tries to fight that vulnerability and he

tries to fight that vulnerability and he
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tries to like he has like that fear of

tries to like he has like that fear of
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like I'm scared that this relationship

like I'm scared that this relationship
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is going to be like dro like destructive

is going to be like dro like destructive
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and I think he even like I don't know if

and I think he even like I don't know if
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he says that exact word

he says that exact word
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I think he fears

I think he fears
that

that

that
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they're going to like ruin each other.

they're going to like ruin each other.
Yeah.<00:19:47.360> Like<00:19:47.600> he's<00:19:48.000> destructive.

Yeah. Like he's destructive.

Yeah. Like he's destructive.
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He's going to ruin her. He's not worthy.

He's going to ruin her. He's not worthy.
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He needs to go away because he was never

He needs to go away because he was never
worthy<00:19:55.600> of<00:19:55.840> love<00:19:56.160> to<00:19:56.400> begin<00:19:56.640> with.

worthy of love to begin with.

worthy of love to begin with.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
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And the only people he can really rely

And the only people he can really rely
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on are his brothers. And I don't even

on are his brothers. And I don't even
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think he fully trusts his brothers. I

think he fully trusts his brothers. I
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think the attachment style is a really

think the attachment style is a really
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good place to start because it helps

good place to start because it helps
explain

explain

explain
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the here and now of him and Sloan, which

the here and now of him and Sloan, which
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is what he's interested in doing

is what he's interested in doing
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and would be like the only reason he he

and would be like the only reason he he
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would come to therapy is because Sloan

would come to therapy is because Sloan
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asked. And so you start with what are

asked. And so you start with what are
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you what do you want to work on? What

you what do you want to work on? What
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are you interested? And then as you

are you interested? And then as you
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build that relationship, which is going

build that relationship, which is going
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to take a long time, and peel back the

to take a long time, and peel back the
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layers, you get to, okay, here's this

layers, you get to, okay, here's this
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very big

very big
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glaring issue that like we need to

glaring issue that like we need to
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discuss when you're ready. I just like

discuss when you're ready. I just like
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to jump right into when we do these. I'm

to jump right into when we do these. I'm
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like, "All right, I've already

like, "All right, I've already
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established this relationship with this

established this relationship with this
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person. We're deep in it because I know

person. We're deep in it because I know
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everything about them because I read all

everything about them because I read all
about<00:20:55.360> it."

about it."

about it."
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Yeah. But I I love that you brought that

Yeah. But I I love that you brought that
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up because it is such a good point

up because it is such a good point
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because I also don't want our listeners

because I also don't want our listeners
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to go in and be like, "My therapist is

to go in and be like, "My therapist is
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going to be like, "So your mom hates

going to be like, "So your mom hates
you."

you."

you."
Like,

Like,

Like,
which<00:21:07.280> is<00:21:07.520> not<00:21:07.840> what<00:21:08.159> I<00:21:08.320> would<00:21:08.559> do.<00:21:09.760> So<00:21:09.919> your

which is not what I would do. So your

which is not what I would do. So your
mom<00:21:10.240> was<00:21:10.400> an<00:21:10.559> alcoholic<00:21:11.200> and<00:21:11.440> a<00:21:11.600> narcissist.

mom was an alcoholic and a narcissist.

mom was an alcoholic and a narcissist.
Let's<00:21:13.039> start<00:21:13.280> there.

Let's start there.

Let's start there.
Yeah.<00:21:14.240> Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.
That's<00:21:15.039> not<00:21:15.360> how<00:21:15.760> therapy<00:21:16.240> goes.

That's not how therapy goes.

That's not how therapy goes.
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Some clients though will be like, "So my

Some clients though will be like, "So my
mom<00:21:19.600> was<00:21:19.840> Yeah.<00:21:20.080> And<00:21:20.240> we'll<00:21:20.320> be<00:21:20.400> like,

mom was Yeah. And we'll be like,

mom was Yeah. And we'll be like,
some<00:21:20.960> are<00:21:21.120> like<00:21:21.520> there<00:21:22.000> and<00:21:22.240> like<00:21:22.480> they're

some are like there and like they're

some are like there and like they're
like,<00:21:22.960> I<00:21:23.120> already<00:21:23.360> know<00:21:23.440> what<00:21:23.600> I'm<00:21:23.760> coming<00:21:23.840> in

like, I already know what I'm coming in

like, I already know what I'm coming in
for."<00:21:24.320> And<00:21:24.480> then<00:21:24.640> there's<00:21:24.799> some<00:21:24.960> clients,

for." And then there's some clients,

for." And then there's some clients,
which<00:21:25.440> I<00:21:25.600> feel<00:21:25.679> like<00:21:25.840> this<00:21:26.080> is<00:21:26.159> like<00:21:26.880> what

which I feel like this is like what

which I feel like this is like what
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category Ran would fall into, like where

category Ran would fall into, like where
you<00:21:29.200> really<00:21:29.520> have<00:21:29.679> to<00:21:29.840> like<00:21:30.240> pull

you really have to like pull

you really have to like pull
to<00:21:31.919> like<00:21:32.159> get<00:21:32.400> information<00:21:33.039> out

to like get information out

to like get information out
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and it's like it's like pulling teeth

and it's like it's like pulling teeth
with<00:21:37.200> clients<00:21:37.520> like<00:21:37.760> that.

with clients like that.

with clients like that.
I<00:21:38.559> also<00:21:38.960> think<00:21:39.600> this<00:21:40.000> could<00:21:40.240> be<00:21:40.400> a<00:21:40.559> situation

I also think this could be a situation

I also think this could be a situation
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where Rowan is forced to do therapy

where Rowan is forced to do therapy
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because he got caught and he's in jail

because he got caught and he's in jail
and<00:21:48.159> he<00:21:48.480> needs<00:21:49.120> like<00:21:49.440> he's<00:21:49.840> doing<00:21:50.480> mandatory

and he needs like he's doing mandatory

and he needs like he's doing mandatory
counseling.<00:21:52.559> Yeah.<00:21:53.039> Um,<00:21:53.840> which<00:21:54.080> is<00:21:54.320> which<00:21:54.559> is

counseling. Yeah. Um, which is which is

counseling. Yeah. Um, which is which is
a<00:21:54.880> thing<00:21:55.039> and<00:21:55.200> it<00:21:56.080> as<00:21:56.320> a<00:21:56.559> therapist<00:21:57.039> we've<00:21:57.280> all

a thing and it as a therapist we've all

a thing and it as a therapist we've all
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kind of we've all had to have some type

kind of we've all had to have some type
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of training with mandatory counseling

of training with mandatory counseling
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and that's even harder. Like you really

and that's even harder. Like you really
you<00:22:04.640> start<00:22:04.960> with<00:22:06.320> a<00:22:06.559> relationship.<00:22:07.360> Yeah.

you start with a relationship. Yeah.

you start with a relationship. Yeah.
like<00:22:07.840> how<00:22:08.000> do<00:22:08.159> we<00:22:08.320> break<00:22:08.559> through<00:22:08.799> this

like how do we break through this

like how do we break through this
resistance<00:22:09.520> to<00:22:09.840> get<00:22:10.080> to

resistance to get to

resistance to get to
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the part where you're willing to say

the part where you're willing to say
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maybe I do want to like work on

maybe I do want to like work on
something

something

something
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even even if it's like I want to work on

even even if it's like I want to work on
swearing<00:22:23.039> less<00:22:23.520> like

swearing less like

swearing less like
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for Rowan that would be a huge goal like

for Rowan that would be a huge goal like
I'd<00:22:26.799> be<00:22:26.880> like<00:22:27.120> okay<00:22:27.440> yeah<00:22:27.679> that's<00:22:27.840> a

I'd be like okay yeah that's a

I'd be like okay yeah that's a
breakthrough<00:22:28.320> that<00:22:28.559> you're<00:22:28.799> willing<00:22:28.960> to

breakthrough that you're willing to

breakthrough that you're willing to
trust

trust

trust
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me to even admit that you have something

me to even admit that you have something
to<00:22:33.679> work<00:22:33.840> on.<00:22:34.799> Yeah,<00:22:35.200> I<00:22:35.440> agree.

to work on. Yeah, I agree.

to work on. Yeah, I agree.
And<00:22:36.559> I<00:22:36.799> didn't<00:22:36.960> even<00:22:37.120> talk<00:22:37.280> about<00:22:37.440> the

And I didn't even talk about the

And I didn't even talk about the
definition<00:22:37.919> of<00:22:38.080> avoidant<00:22:38.559> attachment

definition of avoidant attachment

definition of avoidant attachment
theory,<00:22:39.200> so<00:22:39.360> I<00:22:39.440> looked<00:22:39.600> it<00:22:39.760> up.<00:22:40.080> Okay,

theory, so I looked it up. Okay,

theory, so I looked it up. Okay,
perfect.<00:22:40.880> Yes.

perfect. Yes.

perfect. Yes.
So,<00:22:42.559> avoidant<00:22:43.039> attachment<00:22:43.520> theory<00:22:43.840> is<00:22:44.480> it

So, avoidant attachment theory is it

So, avoidant attachment theory is it
describes<00:22:45.039> a<00:22:45.200> pattern<00:22:45.440> of<00:22:45.600> insecure

describes a pattern of insecure

describes a pattern of insecure
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attachment characterized by difficulty

attachment characterized by difficulty
forming<00:22:48.240> close<00:22:48.480> and<00:22:48.640> intimate

forming close and intimate

forming close and intimate
relationships.<00:22:49.919> So,<00:22:50.159> individuals<00:22:50.720> with<00:22:50.960> an

relationships. So, individuals with an

relationships. So, individuals with an
avoidant<00:22:51.600> attachment<00:22:52.080> style<00:22:52.400> tend<00:22:52.640> to<00:22:52.799> avoid

avoidant attachment style tend to avoid

avoidant attachment style tend to avoid
emotional<00:22:53.760> closeness.<00:22:54.559> They<00:22:54.880> really

emotional closeness. They really

emotional closeness. They really
prioritize<00:22:55.919> independence<00:22:56.720> and<00:22:56.880> they

prioritize independence and they

prioritize independence and they
minimize<00:22:57.600> the<00:22:57.919> importance<00:22:58.320> of

minimize the importance of

minimize the importance of
relationships.<00:22:59.840> And<00:23:00.159> this<00:23:00.400> is<00:23:00.720> really

relationships. And this is really

relationships. And this is really
developed<00:23:02.159> through<00:23:02.720> childhood<00:23:03.280> experiences

developed through childhood experiences

developed through childhood experiences
such<00:23:04.880> as<00:23:05.120> like<00:23:05.360> inconsistent<00:23:06.080> or<00:23:06.400> unavailable

such as like inconsistent or unavailable

such as like inconsistent or unavailable
caregivers,<00:23:08.000> emotional<00:23:08.559> neglect,<00:23:09.200> rejection

caregivers, emotional neglect, rejection

caregivers, emotional neglect, rejection
or<00:23:10.000> criticism<00:23:10.480> from<00:23:10.799> parents,<00:23:11.600> and<00:23:11.840> traumatic

or criticism from parents, and traumatic

or criticism from parents, and traumatic
events.<00:23:12.960> So,<00:23:13.200> I<00:23:13.440> think<00:23:13.520> that's<00:23:13.840> why<00:23:14.320> this

events. So, I think that's why this

events. So, I think that's why this
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would be like a good gateway into just

would be like a good gateway into just
starting<00:23:18.080> your<00:23:18.320> like<00:23:18.559> a<00:23:18.799> therapeutic

starting your like a therapeutic

starting your like a therapeutic
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relationship with Rowan as like, hey,

relationship with Rowan as like, hey,
let's<00:23:22.159> talk<00:23:22.320> about<00:23:22.559> like<00:23:22.960> this<00:23:23.200> attachment

let's talk about like this attachment

let's talk about like this attachment
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style like you're here and you're now

style like you're here and you're now
like<00:23:25.120> your<00:23:25.360> relationship<00:23:25.840> with<00:23:26.400> Sloan<00:23:27.200> and

like your relationship with Sloan and

like your relationship with Sloan and
then<00:23:27.600> eventually<00:23:28.080> like<00:23:28.400> working<00:23:28.720> in<00:23:29.120> like

then eventually like working in like

then eventually like working in like
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ways of like, well, how did past

ways of like, well, how did past
experience<00:23:31.919> affect<00:23:32.320> this?<00:23:32.640> How<00:23:32.799> did

experience affect this? How did

experience affect this? How did
you<00:23:34.000> know<00:23:35.440> emotional<00:23:36.000> neglect<00:23:36.400> that<00:23:36.640> you

you know emotional neglect that you

you know emotional neglect that you
experienced<00:23:37.360> inconsistency?<00:23:38.480> And<00:23:39.120> so<00:23:39.280> I

experienced inconsistency? And so I

experienced inconsistency? And so I
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think that's why kind of my where my

think that's why kind of my where my
head<00:23:42.240> space<00:23:42.480> was

head space was

head space was
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on like figuring out like a theory that

on like figuring out like a theory that
would<00:23:45.440> work<00:23:45.600> with<00:23:45.840> Rowan.

would work with Rowan.

would work with Rowan.
Yeah.<00:23:47.280> No,<00:23:47.600> I<00:23:47.760> think<00:23:47.919> the<00:23:48.240> attachment<00:23:48.640> theory

Yeah. No, I think the attachment theory

Yeah. No, I think the attachment theory
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is a really good place to start and then

is a really good place to start and then
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I would add in the underlying theory of

I would add in the underlying theory of
um<00:23:56.320> Rogers<00:23:57.520> unconditional<00:23:58.159> positive<00:23:58.559> regard

um Rogers unconditional positive regard

um Rogers unconditional positive regard
specifically<00:24:00.559> because<00:24:00.880> he<00:24:01.200> has<00:24:01.440> never

specifically because he has never

specifically because he has never
experienced<00:24:03.600> unconditional<00:24:04.240> positive

experienced unconditional positive

experienced unconditional positive
regard<00:24:05.200> which<00:24:05.440> is<00:24:05.679> this<00:24:06.480> idea<00:24:06.799> of<00:24:06.960> like<00:24:07.280> I<00:24:07.520> am

regard which is this idea of like I am

regard which is this idea of like I am
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always going to support you and be on

always going to support you and be on
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your side. You can do bad things but

your side. You can do bad things but
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that does not mean you are a bad person.

that does not mean you are a bad person.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
So<00:24:17.919> while<00:24:18.159> your<00:24:18.559> actions<00:24:20.000> are<00:24:20.320> maybe<00:24:20.720> not<00:24:20.960> the

So while your actions are maybe not the

So while your actions are maybe not the
actions

actions

actions
of<00:24:24.799> someone<00:24:25.120> who's<00:24:25.440> making<00:24:25.679> healthy<00:24:26.080> choices,

of someone who's making healthy choices,

of someone who's making healthy choices,
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you are capable of change and you can

you are capable of change and you can
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get to a point where you are making

get to a point where you are making
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healthy choices. and I'm here to support

healthy choices. and I'm here to support
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that and trust that in your abilities

that and trust that in your abilities
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and like really just

and like really just
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care about that person in a positive way

care about that person in a positive way
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which is incredibly hard like that is to

which is incredibly hard like that is to
truly<00:24:46.640> be<00:24:47.679> Rogarian<00:24:48.320> Rogerian<00:24:49.039> Rogerian<00:24:49.600> I

truly be Rogarian Rogerian Rogerian I

truly be Rogarian Rogerian Rogerian I
always<00:24:49.919> want<00:24:50.000> to<00:24:50.080> say<00:24:50.240> a<00:24:50.480> hard<00:24:50.720> G

always want to say a hard G

always want to say a hard G
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but to truly be Rogerian in that

but to truly be Rogerian in that
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and I is is one I think actually very

and I is is one I think actually very
hard

hard

hard
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and two I think why

and two I think why
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so many counselors practice person

so many counselors practice person
centered<00:25:04.320> therapy.

centered therapy.

centered therapy.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Because<00:25:06.080> to<00:25:06.480> have<00:25:06.640> that<00:25:06.960> experience

Because to have that experience

Because to have that experience
is

is

is
like<00:25:11.360> lifechanging.<00:25:12.240> And<00:25:12.400> that's<00:25:12.640> really

like lifechanging. And that's really

like lifechanging. And that's really
what<00:25:13.120> you<00:25:14.080> as<00:25:14.400> a<00:25:14.559> parent<00:25:14.960> usually<00:25:15.440> want<00:25:16.000> to

what you as a parent usually want to

what you as a parent usually want to
provide<00:25:16.559> for<00:25:16.720> your<00:25:16.960> kid.

provide for your kid.

provide for your kid.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Unconditional<00:25:18.559> love,<00:25:18.880> unconditional

Unconditional love, unconditional

Unconditional love, unconditional
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positive regard. Like I care about you

positive regard. Like I care about you
no<00:25:22.799> matter<00:25:23.200> what.<00:25:23.600> I<00:25:23.760> don't<00:25:24.000> It<00:25:24.240> doesn't<00:25:24.480> mean

no matter what. I don't It doesn't mean

no matter what. I don't It doesn't mean
I'm<00:25:24.799> always<00:25:24.960> going<00:25:25.039> to<00:25:25.200> agree<00:25:25.440> with<00:25:25.600> you.

I'm always going to agree with you.

I'm always going to agree with you.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
But<00:25:27.120> my<00:25:27.440> care<00:25:27.679> and<00:25:27.919> my<00:25:28.159> love<00:25:28.400> is<00:25:28.720> always<00:25:28.960> going

But my care and my love is always going

But my care and my love is always going
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to be there. And so that goes back to a

to be there. And so that goes back to a
lot<00:25:32.640> of<00:25:33.360> the<00:25:33.600> counseling<00:25:34.000> is<00:25:34.159> reparing<00:25:34.880> and

lot of the counseling is reparing and

lot of the counseling is reparing and
and<00:25:35.520> so<00:25:35.760> then

and so then

and so then
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kind of just showing them that there can

kind of just showing them that there can
be<00:25:40.240> people<00:25:40.720> out<00:25:40.960> there<00:25:41.200> who

be people out there who

be people out there who
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want you to do want you to be the best

want you to do want you to be the best
you<00:25:45.919> can<00:25:46.000> be.<00:25:46.720> Mhm.<00:25:47.520> Kind<00:25:47.760> of<00:25:47.840> going<00:25:48.080> off<00:25:48.240> of

you can be. Mhm. Kind of going off of

you can be. Mhm. Kind of going off of
that,<00:25:48.640> I<00:25:48.799> think<00:25:49.360> just<00:25:50.240> I<00:25:50.480> think<00:25:50.640> he<00:25:50.880> forgets

that, I think just I think he forgets

that, I think just I think he forgets
like<00:25:51.919> love<00:25:52.880> can<00:25:53.120> be<00:25:53.360> unconditional

like love can be unconditional

like love can be unconditional
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and so there's like a lot of moments

and so there's like a lot of moments
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like where he and like freaks out

like where he and like freaks out
internally<00:26:01.120> cuz<00:26:01.279> he<00:26:01.440> thinks<00:26:01.679> like<00:26:01.840> Sloan<00:26:02.320> left

internally cuz he thinks like Sloan left

internally cuz he thinks like Sloan left
and<00:26:02.960> he's<00:26:03.200> like<00:26:03.440> I<00:26:03.600> [ __ ]<00:26:03.919> up<00:26:04.000> our

and he's like I [ __ ] up our

and he's like I [ __ ] up our
relationship<00:26:04.720> like<00:26:04.880> I<00:26:05.039> [ __ ]<00:26:05.200> up<00:26:05.360> the

relationship like I [ __ ] up the

relationship like I [ __ ] up the
situation<00:26:06.640> and<00:26:06.880> then<00:26:07.039> she's<00:26:07.360> kind<00:26:07.440> of<00:26:07.520> like

situation and then she's kind of like

situation and then she's kind of like
still<00:26:07.919> there.<00:26:08.240> And<00:26:08.400> so<00:26:08.480> I<00:26:08.640> think<00:26:08.720> it's<00:26:09.039> like

still there. And so I think it's like

still there. And so I think it's like
slowly<00:26:10.240> breaking<00:26:10.559> down<00:26:10.640> his<00:26:10.880> barriers,<00:26:11.200> but<00:26:11.360> I

slowly breaking down his barriers, but I

slowly breaking down his barriers, but I
think<00:26:11.600> it's<00:26:11.840> important<00:26:12.080> for<00:26:12.320> him<00:26:12.480> to

think it's important for him to

think it's important for him to
recognize<00:26:13.039> like<00:26:13.279> you<00:26:13.440> also<00:26:13.760> don't<00:26:14.240> just<00:26:14.480> get

recognize like you also don't just get

recognize like you also don't just get
like<00:26:14.880> unconditional<00:26:15.520> love<00:26:15.760> from<00:26:15.919> like<00:26:16.000> a

like unconditional love from like a

like unconditional love from like a
romantic<00:26:16.720> partner,

romantic partner,

romantic partner,
but<00:26:17.760> it<00:26:17.919> can<00:26:18.080> be<00:26:18.159> from<00:26:18.400> like<00:26:18.559> your<00:26:18.799> siblings

but it can be from like your siblings

but it can be from like your siblings
and<00:26:19.520> like<00:26:19.679> your<00:26:19.919> friends<00:26:20.159> and<00:26:20.400> just<00:26:20.640> people

and like your friends and just people

and like your friends and just people
who<00:26:21.120> want

who want

who want
the<00:26:22.960> best<00:26:23.120> for<00:26:23.360> you.<00:26:23.679> And<00:26:23.919> I<00:26:24.080> think<00:26:24.159> he<00:26:24.480> has

the best for you. And I think he has

the best for you. And I think he has
unconditional<00:26:25.760> love<00:26:26.000> from<00:26:26.320> his<00:26:26.559> brothers,

unconditional love from his brothers,

unconditional love from his brothers,
especially<00:26:28.159> his<00:26:28.400> younger<00:26:28.799> brother<00:26:29.200> who's

especially his younger brother who's

especially his younger brother who's
like<00:26:29.760> really<00:26:30.080> trying.

like really trying.

like really trying.
He's<00:26:31.360> he's<00:26:31.679> really<00:26:32.000> trying.<00:26:32.240> He's<00:26:32.480> like

He's he's really trying. He's like

He's he's really trying. He's like
so<00:26:33.039> cute.

so cute.

so cute.
I<00:26:34.240> need<00:26:34.480> a<00:26:34.720> physical<00:26:35.120> barrier<00:26:35.600> from<00:26:35.760> you<00:26:36.000> all.

I need a physical barrier from you all.

I need a physical barrier from you all.
Yeah.<00:26:37.120> But<00:26:37.440> any<00:26:38.720> I<00:26:38.880> live<00:26:39.039> in<00:26:39.120> a<00:26:39.279> different

Yeah. But any I live in a different

Yeah. But any I live in a different
state

state

state
but<00:26:40.880> I

but I

but I
I<00:26:42.240> will<00:26:42.400> be<00:26:42.559> there.

I will be there.

I will be there.
I<00:26:43.840> will<00:26:44.080> try.

I will try.

I will try.
And<00:26:45.679> then<00:26:45.840> of<00:26:46.000> course<00:26:46.159> he<00:26:46.400> picks<00:26:46.720> a<00:26:46.960> partner

And then of course he picks a partner

And then of course he picks a partner
that<00:26:47.679> like

that like

that like
I<00:26:48.799> was<00:26:48.960> like<00:26:49.760> okay<00:26:50.720> that<00:26:51.600> but<00:26:51.840> that's<00:26:52.080> for

I was like okay that but that's for

I was like okay that but that's for
another<00:26:52.559> book.

another book.

another book.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Um<00:26:54.799> so<00:26:55.039> but<00:26:55.360> it's<00:26:55.600> hard<00:26:55.760> to<00:26:55.919> see<00:26:56.080> it.<00:26:56.400> It's<00:26:56.640> hard

Um so but it's hard to see it. It's hard

Um so but it's hard to see it. It's hard
to<00:26:56.880> see<00:26:57.039> it<00:26:57.120> because<00:26:57.360> your<00:26:57.520> brothers<00:26:57.760> have

to see it because your brothers have

to see it because your brothers have
always<00:26:58.159> been<00:26:58.320> there.<00:26:58.720> you're<00:26:58.960> trauma<00:26:59.360> bonded

always been there. you're trauma bonded

always been there. you're trauma bonded
with<00:26:59.840> your<00:27:00.080> brothers<00:27:00.559> over<00:27:01.520> like

with your brothers over like

with your brothers over like
it<00:27:02.559> it<00:27:02.880> really<00:27:03.200> closes<00:27:03.760> your<00:27:04.400> circle

and<00:27:08.080> I<00:27:08.240> I<00:27:08.640> will<00:27:08.880> I<00:27:09.200> will<00:27:09.360> give<00:27:09.600> Rowan<00:27:10.400> credit

and I I will I will give Rowan credit

and I I will I will give Rowan credit
for<00:27:11.679> opening<00:27:12.159> up<00:27:12.320> his<00:27:12.640> circle<00:27:12.960> to<00:27:13.279> Sloan.<00:27:13.760> Like

for opening up his circle to Sloan. Like

for opening up his circle to Sloan. Like
that<00:27:14.159> must<00:27:14.320> have<00:27:14.480> been<00:27:14.720> really<00:27:14.960> hard.

that must have been really hard.

that must have been really hard.
Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah,
cuz<00:27:16.400> it<00:27:16.640> it<00:27:16.960> sounds<00:27:17.200> like<00:27:17.440> before<00:27:17.760> that<00:27:18.159> he<00:27:18.400> was

cuz it it sounds like before that he was

cuz it it sounds like before that he was
a<00:27:18.720> closed<00:27:19.039> little<00:27:19.279> clam

a closed little clam

a closed little clam
and<00:27:20.480> now<00:27:20.640> he's<00:27:20.960> opening<00:27:21.279> up<00:27:21.440> to<00:27:21.600> the<00:27:21.760> pearl<00:27:22.080> of

and now he's opening up to the pearl of

and now he's opening up to the pearl of
love.

love.

love.
I<00:27:24.559> just<00:27:24.799> came<00:27:25.039> up<00:27:25.200> with<00:27:25.360> that.<00:27:26.240> So<00:27:26.480> cute.<00:27:27.760> is<00:27:27.919> a

I just came up with that. So cute. is a

I just came up with that. So cute. is a
good<00:27:28.240> one.

good one.

good one.
Thank<00:27:29.440> you.<00:27:29.679> I<00:27:29.919> work<00:27:30.080> really<00:27:30.320> hard<00:27:30.480> on<00:27:30.640> these

Thank you. I work really hard on these

Thank you. I work really hard on these
in<00:27:32.240> my<00:27:32.400> head<00:27:32.640> while<00:27:32.799> we're<00:27:33.039> talking.

in my head while we're talking.

in my head while we're talking.
I<00:27:34.400> don't<00:27:34.480> know.<00:27:34.720> Kind<00:27:34.880> of<00:27:35.039> going<00:27:35.200> into<00:27:35.440> that,

I don't know. Kind of going into that,

I don't know. Kind of going into that,
some<00:27:35.919> like<00:27:36.080> key<00:27:36.320> concepts<00:27:37.120> that<00:27:38.240> I<00:27:38.480> think

some like key concepts that I think

some like key concepts that I think
could<00:27:38.799> be<00:27:38.960> talked<00:27:39.279> about<00:27:39.520> throughout

could be talked about throughout

could be talked about throughout
sessions<00:27:40.400> is<00:27:40.640> just<00:27:40.799> like<00:27:40.960> emotional

sessions is just like emotional

sessions is just like emotional
avoidance.<00:27:42.000> So<00:27:42.240> like<00:27:42.960> he<00:27:43.200> really<00:27:43.520> suppresses

avoidance. So like he really suppresses

avoidance. So like he really suppresses
vulnerability<00:27:45.120> through<00:27:45.440> control<00:27:45.679> and

vulnerability through control and

vulnerability through control and
isolation.<00:27:46.960> And<00:27:47.120> so<00:27:47.279> I<00:27:47.520> think<00:27:47.679> they're<00:27:49.120> like

isolation. And so I think they're like

isolation. And so I think they're like
to<00:27:49.679> me<00:27:49.840> at<00:27:50.080> the<00:27:50.240> beginning<00:27:50.400> when<00:27:50.640> like<00:27:50.799> they

to me at the beginning when like they

to me at the beginning when like they
were<00:27:51.120> only<00:27:51.279> meeting<00:27:51.520> up<00:27:51.679> once<00:27:51.919> a<00:27:52.080> year,<00:27:52.240> I<00:27:52.400> was

were only meeting up once a year, I was

were only meeting up once a year, I was
just<00:27:52.559> like<00:27:52.799> this<00:27:52.960> is<00:27:53.120> so<00:27:53.360> interesting<00:27:54.240> because

just like this is so interesting because

just like this is so interesting because
like<00:27:54.640> you<00:27:54.799> could<00:27:54.960> tell<00:27:55.200> like<00:27:56.159> they<00:27:56.480> want<00:27:56.720> more

like you could tell like they want more

like you could tell like they want more
but<00:27:57.840> that<00:27:58.080> they're<00:27:58.399> like<00:27:59.200> I<00:27:59.440> can't<00:27:59.600> give<00:27:59.840> too

but that they're like I can't give too

but that they're like I can't give too
much<00:28:00.320> though.

much though.

much though.
I<00:28:01.200> think<00:28:01.360> also<00:28:01.679> they<00:28:01.919> didn't<00:28:02.159> trust<00:28:02.559> the<00:28:02.799> other

I think also they didn't trust the other

I think also they didn't trust the other
person<00:28:03.360> to<00:28:03.600> want<00:28:03.840> more.

person to want more.

person to want more.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
I<00:28:04.960> think<00:28:05.039> they're<00:28:05.279> both<00:28:05.520> avoidant.

I think they're both avoidant.

I think they're both avoidant.
Yes.<00:28:06.720> Oh,<00:28:07.039> for<00:28:07.279> sure.

Yes. Oh, for sure.

Yes. Oh, for sure.
Avoidant.<00:28:08.000> Avoid<00:28:08.240> it.<00:28:08.640> So<00:28:08.880> they're<00:28:09.039> just

Avoidant. Avoid it. So they're just

Avoidant. Avoid it. So they're just
never<00:28:09.520> a<00:28:09.679> good<00:28:09.840> match.<00:28:10.320> Avoidant.<00:28:10.960> Insecure.

never a good match. Avoidant. Insecure.

never a good match. Avoidant. Insecure.
Oh,<00:28:12.159> let's<00:28:12.399> run<00:28:12.640> away.<00:28:13.279> Let's<00:28:13.520> just<00:28:13.679> murder

Oh, let's run away. Let's just murder

Oh, let's run away. Let's just murder
someone<00:28:14.159> and<00:28:14.399> run<00:28:14.640> away.

someone and run away.

someone and run away.
That's<00:28:17.279> what<00:28:17.440> they<00:28:17.600> did<00:28:17.760> every<00:28:18.000> time.

That's what they did every time.

That's what they did every time.
That's<00:28:18.480> what<00:28:18.720> they<00:28:18.880> did<00:28:19.039> every<00:28:19.279> time<00:28:20.080> except

That's what they did every time except

That's what they did every time except
that<00:28:20.720> one<00:28:20.880> time.<00:28:21.919> Although,<00:28:22.320> I<00:28:22.559> will<00:28:22.799> say<00:28:24.000> when

that one time. Although, I will say when

that one time. Although, I will say when
Sloan<00:28:24.880> found<00:28:25.120> the<00:28:25.279> courage<00:28:25.760> to<00:28:26.080> be<00:28:26.240> like,

Sloan found the courage to be like,

Sloan found the courage to be like,
"Okay,<00:28:26.960> I'm<00:28:27.120> I'm<00:28:27.520> coming.<00:28:28.480> I'm<00:28:28.720> I'm<00:28:29.039> going<00:28:29.360> to

"Okay, I'm I'm coming. I'm I'm going to

"Okay, I'm I'm coming. I'm I'm going to
this<00:28:30.159> gala<00:28:30.640> for<00:28:30.880> you."<00:28:31.440> Oh<00:28:31.679> my<00:28:31.840> god.<00:28:32.240> I<00:28:32.480> know.

this gala for you." Oh my god. I know.

this gala for you." Oh my god. I know.
And<00:28:33.440> I<00:28:33.679> want<00:28:33.840> to<00:28:34.000> I<00:28:34.240> want<00:28:34.320> to<00:28:34.480> dress<00:28:34.720> up<00:28:34.880> for<00:28:35.120> you

And I want to I want to dress up for you

And I want to I want to dress up for you
and<00:28:35.520> be<00:28:35.760> here<00:28:35.919> for<00:28:36.159> you.<00:28:37.039> And<00:28:37.279> he's<00:28:38.320> just

and be here for you. And he's just

and be here for you. And he's just
oblivious.

oblivious.

oblivious.
He's<00:28:40.799> such<00:28:40.960> a<00:28:41.120> man.

He's such a man.

He's such a man.
This<00:28:42.320> is<00:28:42.480> this<00:28:42.799> in<00:28:42.960> that<00:28:43.200> part.<00:28:43.360> I'm<00:28:43.679> like,

This is this in that part. I'm like,

This is this in that part. I'm like,
he's<00:28:44.640> such<00:28:44.799> a<00:28:44.960> man.<00:28:45.600> And<00:28:45.760> he<00:28:45.919> was<00:28:46.000> like,<00:28:46.080> "You

he's such a man. And he was like, "You

he's such a man. And he was like, "You
ready<00:28:46.480> to<00:28:46.640> have<00:28:46.799> some<00:28:47.039> fun?"<00:28:47.360> And<00:28:47.600> she's<00:28:47.919> like,

ready to have some fun?" And she's like,

ready to have some fun?" And she's like,
"Oh,<00:28:49.520> he<00:28:49.840> likes<00:28:50.159> me.<00:28:50.640> This<00:28:50.799> isn't<00:28:51.120> in<00:28:51.279> my

"Oh, he likes me. This isn't in my

"Oh, he likes me. This isn't in my
head."

head."

head."
And<00:28:53.520> then<00:28:53.679> she<00:28:53.919> like<00:28:54.080> realized<00:28:54.799> what<00:28:55.039> he

And then she like realized what he

And then she like realized what he
meant.<00:28:55.840> And<00:28:56.080> like<00:28:56.480> I<00:28:56.799> my<00:28:57.120> heart<00:28:57.360> genuinely

meant. And like I my heart genuinely

meant. And like I my heart genuinely
broke<00:28:58.240> for<00:28:58.399> her.<00:28:58.640> I<00:28:58.880> was<00:28:58.960> like,

broke for her. I was like,

broke for her. I was like,
"Oh

"Oh

"Oh
no."

no."

no."
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Like<00:29:04.799> that<00:29:05.039> was<00:29:05.200> really<00:29:05.440> sad.<00:29:05.760> And<00:29:05.919> then<00:29:06.159> he

Like that was really sad. And then he

Like that was really sad. And then he
realized<00:29:06.720> he<00:29:06.960> messed<00:29:07.279> up.<00:29:08.159> And<00:29:08.480> I<00:29:08.720> think<00:29:08.880> he

realized he messed up. And I think he

realized he messed up. And I think he
was<00:29:09.279> like,<00:29:09.279> "I'm<00:29:09.600> never<00:29:09.760> going<00:29:09.840> to<00:29:09.919> get<00:29:10.080> this

was like, "I'm never going to get this

was like, "I'm never going to get this
chance<00:29:10.559> again.<00:29:11.520> like<00:29:12.559> it's<00:29:12.880> gone<00:29:13.039> forever.

chance again. like it's gone forever.

chance again. like it's gone forever.
Like<00:29:13.760> he<00:29:14.080> couldn't<00:29:14.480> believe<00:29:14.720> it.<00:29:15.679> So<00:29:16.240> I<00:29:16.480> that

Like he couldn't believe it. So I that

Like he couldn't believe it. So I that
was<00:29:16.960> that<00:29:17.200> was<00:29:17.360> probably<00:29:17.760> like<00:29:18.320> I<00:29:18.480> actually

was that was probably like I actually

was that was probably like I actually
think<00:29:18.799> a<00:29:19.120> really<00:29:20.000> wellwritten<00:29:21.200> emotional

think a really wellwritten emotional

think a really wellwritten emotional
scene<00:29:22.320> and<00:29:22.559> I<00:29:22.720> will<00:29:22.880> give<00:29:23.039> props<00:29:23.360> to<00:29:23.520> the

scene and I will give props to the

scene and I will give props to the
author<00:29:24.000> for<00:29:24.159> that<00:29:24.399> cuz<00:29:24.640> I<00:29:24.799> I<00:29:25.120> had<00:29:25.279> a<00:29:25.520> real

author for that cuz I I had a real

author for that cuz I I had a real
emotional<00:29:26.320> response<00:29:26.640> to<00:29:26.880> that.<00:29:27.200> I<00:29:27.440> did<00:29:27.600> too

emotional response to that. I did too

emotional response to that. I did too
for<00:29:28.799> sure.<00:29:29.440> I<00:29:29.679> think<00:29:29.840> it<00:29:30.000> was<00:29:30.399> Yeah.<00:29:30.960> You<00:29:31.200> I

for sure. I think it was Yeah. You I

for sure. I think it was Yeah. You I
really<00:29:31.600> felt<00:29:31.840> her<00:29:32.000> emotions<00:29:32.399> in<00:29:32.640> that<00:29:32.799> of<00:29:33.039> just

really felt her emotions in that of just

really felt her emotions in that of just
kind<00:29:33.360> of<00:29:33.520> like

kind of like

kind of like
she<00:29:34.559> had<00:29:34.799> like<00:29:34.960> this<00:29:35.200> fear<00:29:35.360> of<00:29:35.600> rejection<00:29:36.720> and

she had like this fear of rejection and

she had like this fear of rejection and
then

then

then
and<00:29:37.520> then<00:29:37.679> it<00:29:37.919> came<00:29:38.080> true<00:29:38.320> and<00:29:38.399> then<00:29:38.559> it<00:29:38.720> came

and then it came true and then it came

and then it came true and then it came
true.<00:29:39.279> Yeah.<00:29:39.760> Not<00:29:40.000> because<00:29:40.640> he<00:29:40.960> wanted<00:29:41.279> it<00:29:41.520> to

true. Yeah. Not because he wanted it to

true. Yeah. Not because he wanted it to
come<00:29:42.000> true,<00:29:42.320> but<00:29:42.559> because

come true, but because

come true, but because
he's<00:29:43.600> a<00:29:43.760> bit<00:29:44.080> oblivious.

he's a bit oblivious.

he's a bit oblivious.
Oblivious.<00:29:45.600> Like<00:29:45.840> he<00:29:46.159> didn't<00:29:46.480> believe<00:29:46.799> it<00:29:47.039> was

Oblivious. Like he didn't believe it was

Oblivious. Like he didn't believe it was
happening.<00:29:47.840> Like<00:29:48.080> he<00:29:48.399> couldn't<00:29:48.720> believe<00:29:49.039> that

happening. Like he couldn't believe that

happening. Like he couldn't believe that
she<00:29:49.600> liked<00:29:49.919> him,

she liked him,

she liked him,
that<00:29:51.440> someone

that someone

that someone
perfect<00:29:53.840> existed<00:29:54.399> for<00:29:54.799> and<00:29:55.039> like<00:29:55.360> he<00:29:55.679> could

perfect existed for and like he could

perfect existed for and like he could
have<00:29:56.080> it.<00:29:56.559> And<00:29:56.720> then<00:29:57.039> she<00:29:57.360> was<00:29:57.600> like,

have it. And then she was like,

have it. And then she was like,
obviously<00:29:58.399> he<00:29:58.640> would<00:29:58.799> never<00:29:59.039> want<00:29:59.279> me.<00:30:00.000> Here

obviously he would never want me. Here

obviously he would never want me. Here
are<00:30:00.399> all<00:30:00.559> these<00:30:00.799> other

are all these other

are all these other
girls<00:30:02.240> and<00:30:02.480> his<00:30:02.720> life<00:30:02.880> is<00:30:03.120> here<00:30:03.760> and<00:30:04.080> we're

girls and his life is here and we're

girls and his life is here and we're
just<00:30:04.720> friends.<00:30:06.080> And<00:30:06.240> then<00:30:06.399> when<00:30:06.559> he<00:30:06.880> realized

just friends. And then when he realized

just friends. And then when he realized
it<00:30:07.760> and<00:30:08.000> like

it and like

it and like
that<00:30:10.320> they<00:30:10.559> waited<00:30:10.880> a<00:30:11.120> whole<00:30:11.279> another<00:30:11.679> year<00:30:11.840> to

that they waited a whole another year to

that they waited a whole another year to
see<00:30:12.240> each<00:30:12.480> other<00:30:12.559> and<00:30:12.799> then<00:30:12.880> when<00:30:13.039> she<00:30:13.200> went<00:30:13.279> to

see each other and then when she went to

see each other and then when she went to
the<00:30:13.679> restaurant,

the restaurant,

the restaurant,
dude.<00:30:16.080> Oh<00:30:16.240> my<00:30:16.399> god.<00:30:16.720> When<00:30:16.960> she<00:30:17.120> went<00:30:17.279> to<00:30:17.440> the

dude. Oh my god. When she went to the

dude. Oh my god. When she went to the
restaurant<00:30:18.080> and<00:30:18.320> then<00:30:18.399> when<00:30:18.559> she<00:30:18.799> found<00:30:18.960> the

restaurant and then when she found the

restaurant and then when she found the
tattoo,

honestly,<00:30:23.279> the<00:30:23.440> tattoo<00:30:23.919> were<00:30:24.000> parts<00:30:24.240> in<00:30:24.399> this

honestly, the tattoo were parts in this

honestly, the tattoo were parts in this
book.

book.

book.
Yeah.<00:30:25.200> No,<00:30:25.760> I

Yeah. No, I

Yeah. No, I
And<00:30:27.679> Nor<00:30:28.000> didn't<00:30:28.240> like<00:30:28.320> it.<00:30:28.799> I<00:30:29.440> liked<00:30:29.679> it.

And Nor didn't like it. I liked it.

And Nor didn't like it. I liked it.
Yeah.<00:30:30.399> Give<00:30:30.559> this<00:30:30.720> book<00:30:30.960> more.<00:30:31.200> Alyssa,<00:30:31.600> you

Yeah. Give this book more. Alyssa, you

Yeah. Give this book more. Alyssa, you
were<00:30:31.840> over<00:30:32.000> here<00:30:32.159> like<00:30:32.399> and<00:30:32.640> I<00:30:32.880> This<00:30:33.039> is<00:30:33.120> why<00:30:33.360> I

were over here like and I This is why I

were over here like and I This is why I
can't<00:30:33.679> read<00:30:33.840> these<00:30:34.000> books<00:30:34.320> cuz<00:30:34.480> I<00:30:34.799> love<00:30:34.960> them.

can't read these books cuz I love them.

can't read these books cuz I love them.
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And I'm over here like, ah, this is a

And I'm over here like, ah, this is a
bit<00:30:37.600> gory.<00:30:38.080> I<00:30:38.320> told<00:30:38.559> Nora<00:30:38.960> I<00:30:39.200> told<00:30:39.360> Nora<00:30:39.760> I<00:30:39.919> said

bit gory. I told Nora I told Nora I said

bit gory. I told Nora I told Nora I said
I<00:30:40.720> was<00:30:40.799> like<00:30:41.120> I<00:30:41.760> halfway<00:30:42.080> through<00:30:42.240> this<00:30:42.480> book

I was like I halfway through this book

I was like I halfway through this book
she<00:30:42.960> had<00:30:43.120> texted<00:30:43.520> she<00:30:43.600> was<00:30:43.679> like<00:30:43.840> I'm<00:30:44.000> just

she had texted she was like I'm just

she had texted she was like I'm just
having<00:30:44.320> like<00:30:44.480> a<00:30:44.640> really<00:30:44.799> hard<00:30:45.039> time<00:30:45.200> with<00:30:45.360> this

having like a really hard time with this

having like a really hard time with this
and<00:30:45.760> I<00:30:45.919> was<00:30:46.000> like<00:30:46.640> oh<00:30:46.799> my<00:30:46.960> god<00:30:47.279> like<00:30:47.760> yeah<00:30:48.480> same

and I was like oh my god like yeah same

and I was like oh my god like yeah same
I<00:30:49.840> knew<00:30:50.000> you<00:30:50.159> were<00:30:50.320> lying<00:30:50.799> too

I knew you were lying too

I knew you were lying too
just<00:30:52.320> admit<00:30:52.720> you<00:30:52.880> don't<00:30:52.960> have<00:30:53.039> to<00:30:53.120> have<00:30:53.279> the

just admit you don't have to have the

just admit you don't have to have the
same<00:30:53.600> opinions<00:30:53.919> as<00:30:54.159> me

same opinions as me

same opinions as me
it's<00:30:55.039> not<00:30:55.200> even<00:30:55.360> that<00:30:55.679> it's<00:30:56.000> just<00:30:56.159> like

it's not even that it's just like

it's not even that it's just like
a<00:30:58.240> dark<00:30:58.559> romance<00:30:58.960> definitely<00:30:59.200> gets<00:30:59.360> a<00:30:59.520> bad<00:30:59.679> rep

a dark romance definitely gets a bad rep

a dark romance definitely gets a bad rep
right<00:31:01.120> I<00:31:01.360> give<00:31:01.520> it<00:31:01.760> a<00:31:01.919> bad<00:31:02.159> rep<00:31:02.559> in<00:31:02.799> the<00:31:02.960> sense

right I give it a bad rep in the sense

right I give it a bad rep in the sense
of<00:31:03.279> like<00:31:03.840> sometimes<00:31:04.399> there<00:31:04.720> are<00:31:05.360> like<00:31:05.600> lines

of like sometimes there are like lines

of like sometimes there are like lines
that<00:31:06.080> get<00:31:06.320> crossed<00:31:06.799> I<00:31:07.039> think<00:31:07.120> with<00:31:07.360> dark

that get crossed I think with dark

that get crossed I think with dark
romance.

romance.

romance.
I<00:31:08.399> mean,<00:31:08.480> there<00:31:08.640> were<00:31:08.799> lines<00:31:08.960> that<00:31:09.120> were

I mean, there were lines that were

I mean, there were lines that were
crossed<00:31:09.520> in<00:31:09.679> this<00:31:09.840> book<00:31:10.159> for<00:31:10.240> sure.

crossed in this book for sure.

crossed in this book for sure.
Exactly.<00:31:11.279> And<00:31:11.440> so,<00:31:11.600> I<00:31:11.840> think<00:31:11.919> it's<00:31:12.159> hard<00:31:12.399> and<00:31:12.640> I

Exactly. And so, I think it's hard and I

Exactly. And so, I think it's hard and I
think<00:31:12.880> it's<00:31:13.039> hard<00:31:13.360> like<00:31:13.520> as<00:31:13.760> like<00:31:14.000> a<00:31:14.799> someone

think it's hard like as like a someone

think it's hard like as like a someone
in<00:31:16.000> my<00:31:16.320> field<00:31:16.640> to<00:31:16.960> like<00:31:17.840> read<00:31:18.080> some<00:31:18.240> of<00:31:18.320> these

in my field to like read some of these

in my field to like read some of these
books.<00:31:18.880> I'm<00:31:19.039> like,<00:31:19.279> I<00:31:19.600> shouldn't<00:31:20.159> be<00:31:20.399> enjoying

books. I'm like, I shouldn't be enjoying

books. I'm like, I shouldn't be enjoying
some<00:31:21.120> of<00:31:21.200> these<00:31:21.840> books.<00:31:22.240> Does<00:31:22.399> that<00:31:22.640> make

some of these books. Does that make

some of these books. Does that make
sense?

sense?

sense?
I<00:31:23.600> think<00:31:23.760> it<00:31:24.000> makes<00:31:24.320> sense,<00:31:25.039> but<00:31:25.279> I<00:31:25.600> think

I think it makes sense, but I think

I think it makes sense, but I think
there's<00:31:26.240> I<00:31:26.480> think<00:31:26.559> that<00:31:26.720> goes<00:31:26.960> back<00:31:27.120> to

there's I think that goes back to

there's I think that goes back to
sublimation.

sublimation.

sublimation.
Yeah.<00:31:29.200> where

I<00:31:33.200> think<00:31:34.159> just<00:31:34.480> because<00:31:34.799> you're<00:31:35.200> interested

I think just because you're interested

I think just because you're interested
in<00:31:36.080> something<00:31:36.559> doesn't<00:31:36.880> mean<00:31:37.120> you're<00:31:37.360> gonna

in something doesn't mean you're gonna

in something doesn't mean you're gonna
do<00:31:37.919> it.<00:31:38.240> And<00:31:38.399> so<00:31:38.559> you<00:31:38.880> found<00:31:39.200> like<00:31:39.360> an<00:31:39.600> outlet

do it. And so you found like an outlet

do it. And so you found like an outlet
in<00:31:41.039> reading<00:31:41.440> dark<00:31:41.760> romance

in reading dark romance

in reading dark romance
which<00:31:43.519> kind<00:31:43.679> of<00:31:43.840> gives<00:31:44.000> you<00:31:44.240> and<00:31:44.480> I<00:31:44.640> and<00:31:44.880> I

which kind of gives you and I and I

which kind of gives you and I and I
think<00:31:45.679> too<00:31:46.240> part<00:31:46.480> of<00:31:46.640> dark<00:31:46.960> romance<00:31:47.519> is

think too part of dark romance is

think too part of dark romance is
because<00:31:48.159> there's<00:31:48.480> a<00:31:48.720> bit<00:31:48.880> of<00:31:49.039> a<00:31:49.279> scare<00:31:49.679> factor

because there's a bit of a scare factor

because there's a bit of a scare factor
in<00:31:50.320> it<00:31:51.039> and<00:31:51.279> it<00:31:51.519> is<00:31:52.080> really<00:31:52.399> edgy<00:31:53.360> and

in it and it is really edgy and

in it and it is really edgy and
titilating<00:31:55.519> and<00:31:55.840> I<00:31:56.240> think<00:31:57.200> your<00:31:57.440> your<00:31:57.840> fear

titilating and I think your your fear

titilating and I think your your fear
response<00:31:58.720> and<00:31:58.960> your<00:31:59.679> your<00:32:00.000> arousal<00:32:00.559> response

response and your your arousal response

response and your your arousal response
are<00:32:01.120> very<00:32:01.360> close<00:32:01.519> to<00:32:01.679> each<00:32:01.840> other<00:32:02.159> in<00:32:02.399> the

are very close to each other in the

are very close to each other in the
brain.<00:32:02.880> Like<00:32:03.120> I<00:32:03.279> do<00:32:03.519> think<00:32:03.600> there<00:32:03.840> is

brain. Like I do think there is

brain. Like I do think there is
some<00:32:05.919> kind<00:32:06.080> of<00:32:06.240> like

some kind of like

some kind of like
hormonal<00:32:08.799> chemical<00:32:09.519> brain<00:32:10.559> activity.<00:32:11.039> Like

hormonal chemical brain activity. Like

hormonal chemical brain activity. Like
everything's<00:32:11.760> getting<00:32:12.000> triggered.<00:32:12.880> And<00:32:13.120> so

everything's getting triggered. And so

everything's getting triggered. And so
of<00:32:13.519> course<00:32:13.760> like

of course like

of course like
it's<00:32:14.880> interesting<00:32:15.519> and<00:32:15.760> if<00:32:15.919> you<00:32:16.080> like<00:32:16.240> it<00:32:16.559> that

it's interesting and if you like it that

it's interesting and if you like it that
doesn't<00:32:17.039> mean<00:32:17.279> you're<00:32:17.600> out<00:32:17.760> here<00:32:18.000> like<00:32:18.240> yeah<00:32:18.559> I

doesn't mean you're out here like yeah I

doesn't mean you're out here like yeah I
want<00:32:18.799> to<00:32:18.960> go<00:32:19.120> murder<00:32:19.600> people.<00:32:20.000> It<00:32:20.240> just<00:32:20.399> means

want to go murder people. It just means

want to go murder people. It just means
like<00:32:20.880> these<00:32:21.200> characters<00:32:22.399> hit<00:32:22.640> a<00:32:22.799> spot<00:32:23.039> for

like these characters hit a spot for

like these characters hit a spot for
you.

you.

you.
Yeah.<00:32:24.080> And<00:32:24.320> like<00:32:24.720> if<00:32:25.200> reading<00:32:25.600> dark<00:32:25.919> romance

Yeah. And like if reading dark romance

Yeah. And like if reading dark romance
is<00:32:28.960> what<00:32:29.600> prevents<00:32:30.080> you<00:32:30.399> from<00:32:31.200> committing

is what prevents you from committing

is what prevents you from committing
dark<00:32:31.919> romance,<00:32:32.480> like<00:32:32.799> go<00:32:33.039> for<00:32:33.200> it.<00:32:33.519> Like<00:32:33.760> read

dark romance, like go for it. Like read

dark romance, like go for it. Like read
it.

it.

it.
Committing<00:32:35.840> dark<00:32:36.240> romance.

Committing dark romance.

Committing dark romance.
I<00:32:38.480> read<00:32:38.720> The<00:32:38.880> Haunting<00:32:39.200> of<00:32:39.360> Adeline.<00:32:40.159> So

I read The Haunting of Adeline. So

I read The Haunting of Adeline. So
I'<00:32:41.679> I've<00:32:42.000> avoided<00:32:42.480> dark<00:32:42.799> romance<00:32:43.360> up<00:32:43.600> until

I' I've avoided dark romance up until

I' I've avoided dark romance up until
this<00:32:44.159> book,<00:32:44.480> guys,<00:32:45.039> for<00:32:45.519> the<00:32:45.840> sole<00:32:46.159> reason<00:32:46.799> I

this book, guys, for the sole reason I

this book, guys, for the sole reason I
knew<00:32:48.000> I<00:32:48.320> was<00:32:48.399> going<00:32:48.480> to<00:32:48.640> like<00:32:48.880> it.

knew I was going to like it.

knew I was going to like it.
Yeah.<00:32:50.159> Because<00:32:50.320> the<00:32:50.559> closest<00:32:50.799> I<00:32:50.960> ever<00:32:51.120> got<00:32:51.279> to

Yeah. Because the closest I ever got to

Yeah. Because the closest I ever got to
dark<00:32:51.760> romance<00:32:52.159> was<00:32:52.399> like<00:32:53.600> mafia<00:32:54.799> boss's

dark romance was like mafia boss's

dark romance was like mafia boss's
books.

books.

books.
Not<00:32:57.279> the<00:32:57.519> mafia<00:32:58.000> boss.

Not the mafia boss.

Not the mafia boss.
Honestly,<00:33:00.080> I<00:33:00.240> love<00:33:00.399> a<00:33:00.640> cell<00:33:00.799> phone<00:33:01.039> book.<00:33:01.600> Like

Honestly, I love a cell phone book. Like

Honestly, I love a cell phone book. Like
those<00:33:02.240> little<00:33:02.480> cell<00:33:02.640> phone<00:33:02.880> novels.

those little cell phone novels.

those little cell phone novels.
Dude,<00:33:05.039> the<00:33:05.279> mafia<00:33:05.760> ones.

Dude, the mafia ones.

Dude, the mafia ones.
Sweetest<00:33:08.640> oblivion.

Sweetest oblivion.

Sweetest oblivion.
Chef's<00:33:11.039> kiss.<00:33:11.440> All<00:33:11.600> I<00:33:11.679> have<00:33:11.840> to<00:33:11.919> say.<00:33:12.399> Anyways,

Chef's kiss. All I have to say. Anyways,

Chef's kiss. All I have to say. Anyways,
but<00:33:14.799> I<00:33:15.039> think<00:33:15.200> you<00:33:15.679> as<00:33:15.919> a<00:33:16.159> person<00:33:16.880> and<00:33:17.279> not<00:33:17.519> to

but I think you as a person and not to

but I think you as a person and not to
not<00:33:17.919> to<00:33:18.080> psycho<00:33:18.480> analyze<00:33:18.799> you,<00:33:19.039> but<00:33:19.200> I<00:33:19.279> think

not to psycho analyze you, but I think

not to psycho analyze you, but I think
you<00:33:19.519> as<00:33:19.679> a<00:33:19.840> person<00:33:20.080> have<00:33:20.399> always<00:33:20.720> enjoyed

you as a person have always enjoyed

you as a person have always enjoyed
uh<00:33:23.760> ma<00:33:24.000> a<00:33:24.320> strong<00:33:24.640> male<00:33:24.960> lead<00:33:25.440> who's<00:33:25.760> willing

uh ma a strong male lead who's willing

uh ma a strong male lead who's willing
to<00:33:26.399> take<00:33:27.360> control<00:33:27.679> of<00:33:27.919> the<00:33:28.080> situation

to take control of the situation

to take control of the situation
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and I do think there is some like

and I do think there is some like
cultural<00:33:33.120> relevance<00:33:33.679> for<00:33:33.840> you<00:33:34.080> in<00:33:34.240> that.<00:33:34.640> I

cultural relevance for you in that. I

cultural relevance for you in that. I
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think your your dad has a lot of that. I

think your your dad has a lot of that. I
think<00:33:37.360> you're<00:33:37.760> Hispanic<00:33:38.320> and<00:33:38.640> machis

think you're Hispanic and machis

think you're Hispanic and machis
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machismo culture and I said that real

machismo culture and I said that real
wrong<00:33:41.760> but<00:33:42.000> it's<00:33:42.240> fine

wrong but it's fine

wrong but it's fine
I'm<00:33:43.279> I'm<00:33:43.600> trying<00:33:44.399> um<00:33:44.880> is<00:33:45.120> a<00:33:45.360> thing<00:33:45.679> and<00:33:46.399> I<00:33:46.640> think

I'm I'm trying um is a thing and I think

I'm I'm trying um is a thing and I think
for<00:33:47.039> you

for you

for you
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like there has been a value of

like there has been a value of
strength<00:33:53.760> is

strength is

strength is
and<00:33:55.679> leaders<00:33:56.320> like<00:33:56.640> strength<00:33:57.039> equals

and leaders like strength equals

and leaders like strength equals
leadership<00:33:57.919> and<00:33:58.159> you<00:33:58.399> want<00:33:58.640> a<00:33:58.880> leader

leadership and you want a leader

leadership and you want a leader
and<00:34:00.320> so

and so

and so
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in dark romance a lot of times these

in dark romance a lot of times these
guys<00:34:04.640> are<00:34:04.880> very<00:34:05.120> like<00:34:05.679> strong<00:34:06.320> and<00:34:06.559> assertive,

guys are very like strong and assertive,

guys are very like strong and assertive,
which<00:34:07.360> you<00:34:07.519> can<00:34:07.679> associate<00:34:08.159> with<00:34:08.480> leadership,

which you can associate with leadership,

which you can associate with leadership,
which<00:34:09.359> is

which is

which is
what<00:34:10.240> you're<00:34:10.480> looking<00:34:10.639> for.<00:34:11.040> And<00:34:11.200> like,<00:34:11.599> yeah,

what you're looking for. And like, yeah,

what you're looking for. And like, yeah,
you<00:34:13.280> can<00:34:13.440> psychoanalyze<00:34:14.240> that<00:34:14.480> all<00:34:14.639> day<00:34:14.800> or

you can psychoanalyze that all day or

you can psychoanalyze that all day or
you<00:34:15.119> can<00:34:15.200> just<00:34:15.359> sit<00:34:15.520> back<00:34:15.599> and<00:34:15.839> enjoy<00:34:16.079> it<00:34:16.240> and

you can just sit back and enjoy it and

you can just sit back and enjoy it and
then<00:34:16.639> be<00:34:16.800> like,

then be like,

then be like,
man,<00:34:17.760> who<00:34:18.000> takes<00:34:18.320> control?

man, who takes control?

man, who takes control?
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You do. Yeah. And but then you can find

You do. Yeah. And but then you can find
it<00:34:23.200> in<00:34:23.520> other<00:34:23.760> ways,<00:34:24.079> too.

it in other ways, too.

it in other ways, too.
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For sure. Like it doesn't have to be

For sure. Like it doesn't have to be
like<00:34:27.280> an<00:34:27.440> unhealthy<00:34:28.879> like<00:34:29.040> a<00:34:29.200> man<00:34:29.359> who<00:34:29.599> murders

like an unhealthy like a man who murders

like an unhealthy like a man who murders
for<00:34:30.399> me,<00:34:30.879> you<00:34:31.040> know?

for me, you know?

for me, you know?
I'm<00:34:33.520> just<00:34:33.760> saying.<00:34:34.240> Please<00:34:34.480> don't<00:34:34.639> date<00:34:34.879> a

I'm just saying. Please don't date a

I'm just saying. Please don't date a
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murderer because I am not I am not gonna

murderer because I am not I am not gonna
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support that. I you have you seen that

support that. I you have you seen that
Tik<00:34:41.119> Tok<00:34:41.359> where<00:34:41.520> it's<00:34:41.760> like<00:34:42.320> if<00:34:42.560> you're<00:34:42.720> like

Tik Tok where it's like if you're like

Tik Tok where it's like if you're like
61<00:34:44.399> like<00:34:44.720> okay<00:34:45.200> like<00:34:46.480> you<00:34:46.720> got<00:34:46.879> mommy<00:34:47.200> issues<00:34:47.520> I

61 like okay like you got mommy issues I

61 like okay like you got mommy issues I
can<00:34:47.919> see<00:34:48.159> past<00:34:48.399> that<00:34:48.720> 6'4<00:34:49.520> don't<00:34:49.679> tell<00:34:49.760> me<00:34:49.919> your

can see past that 6'4 don't tell me your

can see past that 6'4 don't tell me your
criminal<00:34:50.399> background.<00:34:51.520> I'm<00:34:51.679> like<00:34:52.639> no<00:34:52.879> period.

criminal background. I'm like no period.

criminal background. I'm like no period.
You're<00:34:53.520> like<00:34:53.760> 5<00:34:54.000> nothing.<00:34:54.720> I'm<00:34:55.440> my<00:34:55.679> license

You're like 5 nothing. I'm my license

You're like 5 nothing. I'm my license
literally<00:34:56.639> 5<00:34:56.960> nothing.

literally 5 nothing.

literally 5 nothing.
My<00:34:57.680> license<00:34:58.160> says<00:34:58.640> 52.<00:34:59.359> Okay.<00:35:00.079> Oh<00:35:00.320> my<00:35:00.480> god.

My license says 52. Okay. Oh my god.

My license says 52. Okay. Oh my god.
It's<00:35:00.960> the<00:35:01.119> 2<00:35:01.280> in<00:35:01.599> of<00:35:01.760> lion.<00:35:02.320> I<00:35:02.560> think<00:35:02.640> of<00:35:02.800> it

It's the 2 in of lion. I think of it

It's the 2 in of lion. I think of it
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like a two inches of like I give off

like a two inches of like I give off
that<00:35:05.280> I<00:35:05.520> could<00:35:05.760> be<00:35:05.920> above<00:35:06.640> five<00:35:06.800> foot.<00:35:07.200> You

that I could be above five foot. You

that I could be above five foot. You
know what<00:35:07.440> I<00:35:07.520> mean?

know what I mean?

know what I mean?
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Like I give off like if I was a man I'd

Like I give off like if I was a man I'd
be<00:35:11.359> six<00:35:11.599> foot.<00:35:12.000> I'd<00:35:12.240> be<00:35:12.400> 6'2.

be six foot. I'd be 6'2.

be six foot. I'd be 6'2.
I<00:35:14.320> feel<00:35:14.400> like<00:35:14.560> my<00:35:14.720> aura<00:35:15.119> gives<00:35:15.440> off.

I feel like my aura gives off.

I feel like my aura gives off.
This<00:35:17.119> is<00:35:17.359> derailed.

This is derailed.

This is derailed.
Okay.<00:35:18.640> Anyway,<00:35:19.119> so<00:35:19.359> back<00:35:19.520> to<00:35:19.680> the<00:35:19.920> key

Okay. Anyway, so back to the key

Okay. Anyway, so back to the key
concepts.

concepts.

concepts.
Um<00:35:24.000> I<00:35:24.160> also<00:35:24.560> talked<00:35:24.800> about<00:35:24.960> like<00:35:25.200> fear<00:35:25.440> of

Um I also talked about like fear of

Um I also talked about like fear of
intimacy.<00:35:26.240> So<00:35:26.400> I<00:35:26.640> think<00:35:26.720> he<00:35:27.040> really<00:35:27.359> believes

intimacy. So I think he really believes

intimacy. So I think he really believes
that<00:35:27.920> like<00:35:28.560> connection<00:35:29.040> and<00:35:29.280> intimacy<00:35:29.920> could

that like connection and intimacy could

that like connection and intimacy could
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lead to pain and rejection. So like just

lead to pain and rejection. So like just
that<00:35:32.880> fear<00:35:33.119> of<00:35:33.359> like<00:35:34.000> them<00:35:34.320> kind<00:35:34.480> of<00:35:34.640> being

that fear of like them kind of being

that fear of like them kind of being
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like the downfall of each other or like

like the downfall of each other or like
him<00:35:36.880> being<00:35:37.040> the<00:35:37.200> downfall<00:35:37.520> of<00:35:37.599> the

him being the downfall of the

him being the downfall of the
relationship<00:35:38.560> which<00:35:38.800> in<00:35:38.960> a<00:35:39.119> sense<00:35:39.280> I<00:35:39.520> guess

relationship which in a sense I guess

relationship which in a sense I guess
kind<00:35:39.839> of<00:35:39.920> ends<00:35:40.079> up<00:35:40.240> happening.

kind of ends up happening.

kind of ends up happening.
I<00:35:42.400> mean

I mean

I mean
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but they end up together.

but they end up together.
Is<00:35:44.160> it<00:35:44.240> not<00:35:44.400> a<00:35:44.480> self-fulfilling<00:35:45.119> prophecy

Is it not a self-fulfilling prophecy

Is it not a self-fulfilling prophecy
situation

situation

situation
when<00:35:46.480> you<00:35:46.640> do<00:35:46.800> that?<00:35:47.280> It's<00:35:47.520> like<00:35:47.599> in<00:35:47.760> a<00:35:47.839> sense

when you do that? It's like in a sense

when you do that? It's like in a sense
you<00:35:48.160> manifest<00:35:48.560> it<00:35:48.720> for<00:35:48.880> yourself.<00:35:49.359> I<00:35:49.599> think

you manifest it for yourself. I think

you manifest it for yourself. I think
another<00:35:50.000> one<00:35:50.160> is<00:35:50.800> protectiveness<00:35:51.599> like

another one is protectiveness like

another one is protectiveness like
protective<00:35:52.320> violence.<00:35:52.880> So<00:35:53.040> he<00:35:53.280> really<00:35:53.520> uses

protective violence. So he really uses

protective violence. So he really uses
violence<00:35:54.960> as<00:35:55.280> a<00:35:55.520> misplaced<00:35:56.079> emotional

violence as a misplaced emotional

violence as a misplaced emotional
regulation<00:35:57.200> for<00:35:57.440> himself.

regulation for himself.

regulation for himself.
Yeah.<00:35:58.560> And<00:35:58.720> I<00:35:58.880> think<00:35:59.040> you'd<00:35:59.359> kind<00:35:59.520> of<00:35:59.599> talked

Yeah. And I think you'd kind of talked

Yeah. And I think you'd kind of talked
about<00:36:00.000> that<00:36:00.160> and<00:36:00.320> touched<00:36:00.560> on<00:36:00.720> that<00:36:00.880> earlier.

about that and touched on that earlier.

about that and touched on that earlier.
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So if like I eliminate the threat, I

So if like I eliminate the threat, I
stay<00:36:04.400> safe.

stay safe.

stay safe.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
And<00:36:06.079> so<00:36:06.320> I<00:36:06.560> think<00:36:06.640> in<00:36:06.800> a<00:36:06.960> sense<00:36:07.280> that's<00:36:07.599> kind<00:36:07.760> of

And so I think in a sense that's kind of

And so I think in a sense that's kind of
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like where the if I kill all these bad

like where the if I kill all these bad
people<00:36:11.040> that<00:36:11.359> I<00:36:11.520> keep<00:36:11.760> me<00:36:12.160> and<00:36:12.400> the<00:36:12.560> people<00:36:12.640> I

people that I keep me and the people I

people that I keep me and the people I
care<00:36:13.040> about<00:36:13.280> closest<00:36:13.599> to<00:36:13.760> me<00:36:14.079> safe.<00:36:15.040> I<00:36:15.359> also

care about closest to me safe. I also

care about closest to me safe. I also
think<00:36:15.920> though<00:36:17.359> it's<00:36:17.760> not<00:36:18.000> just<00:36:18.320> like<00:36:18.560> a

think though it's not just like a

think though it's not just like a
physical<00:36:19.440> threat<00:36:19.839> or<00:36:20.160> this<00:36:20.480> like<00:36:21.040> like<00:36:21.280> it's

physical threat or this like like it's

physical threat or this like like it's
also<00:36:21.760> an<00:36:22.000> existential<00:36:22.560> threat<00:36:22.880> of<00:36:23.119> any

also an existential threat of any

also an existential threat of any
emotion

emotion

emotion
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because I think for for men a lot of

because I think for for men a lot of
times<00:36:28.400> the<00:36:28.640> only<00:36:28.880> emotion<00:36:29.200> that<00:36:29.359> they<00:36:29.520> are

times the only emotion that they are

times the only emotion that they are
allowed<00:36:29.839> to<00:36:29.920> show<00:36:30.160> is<00:36:30.400> anger

allowed to show is anger

allowed to show is anger
and<00:36:32.400> so<00:36:33.200> anything<00:36:33.520> that<00:36:33.760> they<00:36:33.920> cannot

and so anything that they cannot

and so anything that they cannot
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understand comes out in anger and a need

understand comes out in anger and a need
to<00:36:37.119> control.<00:36:38.079> And<00:36:38.240> this<00:36:38.400> is<00:36:38.480> a<00:36:38.640> very<00:36:38.800> big

to control. And this is a very big

to control. And this is a very big
generalization.<00:36:39.599> This<00:36:39.760> is<00:36:39.920> not<00:36:40.079> all<00:36:40.240> men<00:36:40.960> um

generalization. This is not all men um

generalization. This is not all men um
but

but

but
stereotypically

stereotypically

stereotypically
and<00:36:44.960> I<00:36:45.119> think<00:36:45.280> Rowan<00:36:45.760> has<00:36:45.920> this<00:36:46.960> where<00:36:47.200> if<00:36:47.440> he

and I think Rowan has this where if he

and I think Rowan has this where if he
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feels out of control, he feels unsafe

feels out of control, he feels unsafe
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and he feels out of control anytime he

and he feels out of control anytime he
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has some big emotion and I think that's

has some big emotion and I think that's
what<00:36:55.520> triggers<00:36:56.000> the<00:36:56.240> need<00:36:56.480> for<00:36:56.800> the<00:36:57.040> violence

what triggers the need for the violence

what triggers the need for the violence
because<00:36:58.160> then

because then

because then
it<00:37:00.400> calms<00:37:00.720> the<00:37:00.960> emotion.

it calms the emotion.

it calms the emotion.
I've<00:37:02.800> released<00:37:03.280> like<00:37:03.440> I've<00:37:03.599> done<00:37:03.760> this

I've released like I've done this

I've released like I've done this
physical<00:37:04.240> activity.<00:37:04.720> I've<00:37:04.960> released<00:37:05.280> all<00:37:05.440> of

physical activity. I've released all of

physical activity. I've released all of
these<00:37:05.760> endorphins.<00:37:07.119> I'm<00:37:07.440> now<00:37:07.599> in<00:37:07.839> a<00:37:08.000> different

these endorphins. I'm now in a different

these endorphins. I'm now in a different
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state of mind and I feel this sense of

state of mind and I feel this sense of
control<00:37:11.760> and<00:37:12.160> the<00:37:12.640> others<00:37:12.960> around<00:37:13.200> me<00:37:13.359> are

control and the others around me are

control and the others around me are
safe.

safe.

safe.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
So,<00:37:15.119> I<00:37:15.359> think<00:37:15.440> that's<00:37:15.760> a<00:37:16.000> good<00:37:16.320> point<00:37:16.640> and<00:37:16.880> like

So, I think that's a good point and like

So, I think that's a good point and like
to<00:37:17.200> bring<00:37:17.359> up<00:37:17.599> that<00:37:17.760> it's<00:37:18.000> it's<00:37:18.320> also<00:37:18.560> like<00:37:18.720> an

to bring up that it's it's also like an

to bring up that it's it's also like an
existential

existential

existential
Yes.

Yes.

Yes.
threat<00:37:20.560> of<00:37:20.800> any<00:37:21.040> emotion.

threat of any emotion.

threat of any emotion.
I<00:37:22.960> agree.

I agree.

I agree.
I<00:37:25.440> agree.<00:37:26.720> So,<00:37:26.960> I<00:37:27.200> think<00:37:27.280> some<00:37:27.520> of<00:37:27.599> like<00:37:27.760> the

I agree. So, I think some of like the

I agree. So, I think some of like the
main<00:37:28.240> topics<00:37:29.040> that<00:37:29.359> could<00:37:29.599> be<00:37:30.000> discussed<00:37:30.400> is

main topics that could be discussed is

main topics that could be discussed is
like<00:37:30.960> trust<00:37:31.280> and<00:37:31.599> control.<00:37:32.160> So<00:37:32.400> like<00:37:32.560> how

like trust and control. So like how

like trust and control. So like how
Rowan

Rowan

Rowan
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equates like love with danger and then

equates like love with danger and then
needing<00:37:37.359> to<00:37:37.920> control<00:37:38.400> that<00:37:38.720> feeling<00:37:39.040> of

needing to control that feeling of

needing to control that feeling of
safety.

safety.

safety.
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And so I think again that's why the

And so I think again that's why the
timeline<00:37:43.839> is<00:37:44.079> the<00:37:44.240> way<00:37:44.320> that<00:37:44.560> it<00:37:44.720> is

timeline is the way that it is

timeline is the way that it is
of<00:37:46.079> just<00:37:46.240> like<00:37:46.560> really<00:37:47.040> building<00:37:47.440> up<00:37:48.240> that

of just like really building up that

of just like really building up that
trust<00:37:49.839> within<00:37:50.320> them.<00:37:51.040> But<00:37:51.200> then<00:37:51.359> I<00:37:51.520> think

trust within them. But then I think

trust within them. But then I think
there's<00:37:51.920> like<00:37:52.000> a<00:37:52.160> lot<00:37:52.320> of<00:37:52.400> like<00:37:52.640> once<00:37:52.880> they<00:37:53.119> are

there's like a lot of like once they are

there's like a lot of like once they are
together

together

together
she<00:37:55.520> moves<00:37:55.839> to<00:37:56.079> Boston<00:37:56.880> and<00:37:57.119> like

she moves to Boston and like

she moves to Boston and like
which<00:37:58.160> was<00:37:58.320> quick<00:37:58.720> that<00:37:59.040> like

which was quick that like

which was quick that like
once<00:38:00.400> they<00:38:00.720> decided<00:38:01.200> to<00:38:01.440> be<00:38:01.520> in<00:38:01.680> a

once they decided to be in a

once they decided to be in a
relationship<00:38:02.640> it<00:38:02.960> moved<00:38:03.520> very<00:38:03.920> fast.<00:38:04.480> Yes.

relationship it moved very fast. Yes.

relationship it moved very fast. Yes.
Which<00:38:05.200> is<00:38:05.359> not

Which is not

Which is not
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but I think that's a sense of control

but I think that's a sense of control
again.

again.

again.
It<00:38:09.359> well<00:38:09.520> it<00:38:09.680> was<00:38:09.920> it<00:38:10.079> was<00:38:10.240> all<00:38:10.400> about<00:38:10.640> control.

It well it was it was all about control.

It well it was it was all about control.
She<00:38:11.280> was<00:38:11.440> questioning

She was questioning

She was questioning
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when his brother was like do you have

when his brother was like do you have
someone<00:38:15.440> that<00:38:15.680> can<00:38:15.839> help<00:38:16.079> you?<00:38:16.560> And<00:38:16.880> Ran<00:38:17.200> was

someone that can help you? And Ran was

someone that can help you? And Ran was
like<00:38:17.599> me.<00:38:17.839> And<00:38:18.000> then<00:38:18.160> she's<00:38:18.320> like,<00:38:18.400> "Oh,

like me. And then she's like, "Oh,

like me. And then she's like, "Oh,
you're<00:38:18.880> going<00:38:18.880> to<00:38:19.040> go<00:38:19.200> back<00:38:19.760> to<00:38:20.000> North

you're going to go back to North

you're going to go back to North
Carolina<00:38:20.720> with<00:38:20.960> me."<00:38:22.079> And<00:38:22.640> he<00:38:22.880> was<00:38:22.960> like,<00:38:22.960> "No,

Carolina with me." And he was like, "No,

Carolina with me." And he was like, "No,
I'm<00:38:23.440> going<00:38:23.440> to<00:38:23.520> take<00:38:23.680> you<00:38:23.839> home.

I'm going to take you home.

I'm going to take you home.
You're<00:38:24.880> going<00:38:25.200> to<00:38:25.440> Boston?"

You're going to Boston?"

You're going to Boston?"
Yeah.<00:38:26.560> Which<00:38:26.960> I<00:38:27.200> was<00:38:27.359> like,<00:38:28.079> "That's<00:38:29.119> a<00:38:29.280> huge

Yeah. Which I was like, "That's a huge

Yeah. Which I was like, "That's a huge
red<00:38:29.680> flag<00:38:29.920> for<00:38:30.160> me."

red flag for me."

red flag for me."
I<00:38:31.280> was<00:38:31.359> getting<00:38:31.839> like<00:38:32.079> I<00:38:32.240> was<00:38:32.400> angry<00:38:32.640> at<00:38:32.800> the

I was getting like I was angry at the

I was getting like I was angry at the
whole<00:38:33.280> shoulder<00:38:33.599> scene<00:38:33.839> cuz<00:38:34.000> I<00:38:34.240> was<00:38:34.320> also

whole shoulder scene cuz I was also

whole shoulder scene cuz I was also
like,

like,

like,
"Bro,<00:38:35.920> her<00:38:36.160> shoulder<00:38:36.400> is<00:38:36.640> not<00:38:36.800> fixed.<00:38:38.240> What

"Bro, her shoulder is not fixed. What

"Bro, her shoulder is not fixed. What
are<00:38:38.560> you<00:38:38.800> doing?"

are you doing?"

are you doing?"
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
Because<00:38:40.560> then<00:38:40.880> I<00:38:41.119> had<00:38:41.440> 20<00:38:41.680> pages<00:38:42.160> of

Because then I had 20 pages of

Because then I had 20 pages of
It<00:38:42.800> was<00:38:42.960> rough<00:38:44.000> sex.<00:38:44.400> rough<00:38:45.040> sex<00:38:45.440> that<00:38:45.760> I<00:38:46.000> was

It was rough sex. rough sex that I was

It was rough sex. rough sex that I was
like<00:38:47.040> this<00:38:47.280> woman's<00:38:47.760> injured.<00:38:48.240> She<00:38:48.480> literally

like this woman's injured. She literally

like this woman's injured. She literally
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has like a a boot stamp on her head.

has like a a boot stamp on her head.
Like

Like

Like
I<00:38:53.520> forgot<00:38:53.839> about<00:38:54.079> that.

I forgot about that.

I forgot about that.
I<00:38:54.880> cuz<00:38:55.119> she<00:38:55.359> cried<00:38:55.599> over<00:38:55.839> it,<00:38:56.079> which<00:38:56.320> I<00:38:56.560> also<00:38:56.880> I

I cuz she cried over it, which I also I

I cuz she cried over it, which I also I
think

think

think
was<00:38:58.400> part<00:38:58.640> of<00:38:58.880> her

and<00:39:02.240> I<00:39:02.400> hate<00:39:02.640> using<00:39:02.880> this<00:39:03.119> word,<00:39:03.839> but<00:39:04.079> she's

and I hate using this word, but she's

and I hate using this word, but she's
young<00:39:04.640> and<00:39:04.880> like<00:39:05.040> immaturity<00:39:05.839> about<00:39:06.079> it.<00:39:06.400> Like

young and like immaturity about it. Like

young and like immaturity about it. Like
that<00:39:06.720> that<00:39:07.040> she<00:39:07.280> was<00:39:07.520> so<00:39:07.760> upset<00:39:08.079> that<00:39:08.400> she

that that she was so upset that she

that that she was so upset that she
looked<00:39:10.240> ugly.

looked ugly.

looked ugly.
Oh<00:39:11.920> yeah.<00:39:12.640> And<00:39:12.880> I<00:39:13.119> didn't<00:39:13.440> like<00:39:13.680> how<00:39:13.920> he<00:39:14.160> was

Oh yeah. And I didn't like how he was

Oh yeah. And I didn't like how he was
describing

describing

describing
how<00:39:16.480> beautiful<00:39:16.880> he<00:39:17.119> thought<00:39:17.359> her<00:39:17.599> bruises

how beautiful he thought her bruises

how beautiful he thought her bruises
were<00:39:18.640> because<00:39:18.880> I<00:39:19.200> think<00:39:19.520> that<00:39:19.839> was

were because I think that was

were because I think that was
misplaced.<00:39:23.040> And<00:39:23.200> I<00:39:23.520> think<00:39:23.599> that<00:39:23.920> could<00:39:24.079> easily

misplaced. And I think that could easily

misplaced. And I think that could easily
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have gone down a very a much darker

have gone down a very a much darker
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
route.<00:39:29.520> Um,

route. Um,

route. Um,
and<00:39:31.359> then

and then

and then
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I<00:39:37.440> think<00:39:37.520> if<00:39:37.760> he<00:39:37.920> really<00:39:38.160> wanted<00:39:38.400> to<00:39:38.640> protect

I think if he really wanted to protect

I think if he really wanted to protect
her,<00:39:39.839> he<00:39:40.160> would<00:39:40.320> not<00:39:40.720> have<00:39:42.000> aggressively

her, he would not have aggressively

her, he would not have aggressively
slept<00:39:43.040> with<00:39:43.280> her<00:39:43.680> while<00:39:44.000> she<00:39:44.400> was<00:39:44.640> injured

slept with her while she was injured

slept with her while she was injured
injured<00:39:45.599> that<00:39:45.760> way.<00:39:46.400> And<00:39:46.640> I<00:39:46.800> think<00:39:46.880> if<00:39:47.119> he

injured that way. And I think if he

injured that way. And I think if he
really<00:39:47.599> wanted<00:39:47.920> to

really wanted to

really wanted to
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be with her, he would have had a

be with her, he would have had a
conversation<00:39:53.200> of

conversation of

conversation of
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I I can't uproot my life, but how would

I I can't uproot my life, but how would
you<00:39:58.240> feel<00:39:58.400> about<00:39:58.720> coming<00:39:59.359> to<00:39:59.680> Boston?

you feel about coming to Boston?

you feel about coming to Boston?
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Instead<00:40:01.359> of<00:40:01.520> just<00:40:01.920> making<00:40:02.240> that<00:40:02.560> decision.

Instead of just making that decision.

Instead of just making that decision.
Yeah.<00:40:03.920> And<00:40:04.160> I<00:40:04.320> know<00:40:04.480> that<00:40:04.640> Sloan<00:40:05.119> really<00:40:05.440> likes

Yeah. And I know that Sloan really likes

Yeah. And I know that Sloan really likes
also<00:40:06.960> someone<00:40:07.200> who<00:40:07.440> like<00:40:07.680> makes<00:40:08.000> decisions

also someone who like makes decisions

also someone who like makes decisions
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and has control because I think for a

and has control because I think for a
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lot of time a lot of part a lot of her

lot of time a lot of part a lot of her
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life she's felt like she's

life she's felt like she's
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out of control. And I think there is

out of control. And I think there is
something<00:40:17.280> nice<00:40:17.520> about<00:40:17.839> giving<00:40:18.160> up<00:40:19.359> that

something nice about giving up that

something nice about giving up that
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release or releasing that control to

release or releasing that control to
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someone and letting someone else make

someone and letting someone else make
decisions<00:40:25.440> for<00:40:25.599> you<00:40:25.839> because<00:40:26.160> then<00:40:26.400> you<00:40:26.560> don't

decisions for you because then you don't

decisions for you because then you don't
have<00:40:26.880> to

have to

have to
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like you live with the consequences but

like you live with the consequences but
somehow<00:40:30.000> it's<00:40:30.240> just<00:40:30.400> not<00:40:30.560> the<00:40:30.720> same<00:40:30.880> as<00:40:31.040> if<00:40:31.440> you

somehow it's just not the same as if you

somehow it's just not the same as if you
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made the decision decisions and had to

made the decision decisions and had to
live<00:40:33.520> with<00:40:33.680> the<00:40:33.920> consequences.

live with the consequences.

live with the consequences.
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And so I think she appreciated that but

And so I think she appreciated that but
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you can see later on like how that

you can see later on like how that
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that's not the foundation you set a

that's not the foundation you set a
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relationship up on. Mhm. And I think too

relationship up on. Mhm. And I think too
it's<00:40:45.040> a<00:40:45.200> sense<00:40:45.440> of<00:40:45.599> like<00:40:46.240> not<00:40:46.480> even<00:40:46.640> in<00:40:46.880> just

it's a sense of like not even in just

it's a sense of like not even in just
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like books a lot of women experience

like books a lot of women experience
where<00:40:49.599> we<00:40:49.920> are<00:40:51.280> in<00:40:51.520> that<00:40:52.000> sense<00:40:52.320> of<00:40:52.480> like<00:40:52.640> not

where we are in that sense of like not

where we are in that sense of like not
everyone<00:40:53.280> gets<00:40:53.599> married<00:40:53.839> really<00:40:54.079> young

everyone gets married really young

everyone gets married really young
anymore<00:40:54.720> and<00:40:55.280> you<00:40:55.440> know<00:40:55.599> women<00:40:55.839> are<00:40:56.240> single<00:40:56.480> a

anymore and you know women are single a

anymore and you know women are single a
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lot longer and so like you're in this

lot longer and so like you're in this
constant<00:40:59.280> like<00:40:59.599> I'm<00:40:59.839> independent

constant like I'm independent

constant like I'm independent
and<00:41:01.839> I'm<00:41:02.079> constantly<00:41:02.480> doing<00:41:02.640> things<00:41:02.800> on<00:41:02.960> my

and I'm constantly doing things on my

and I'm constantly doing things on my
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own making my own decisions and so for

own making my own decisions and so for
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like someone to come in and like no I'm

like someone to come in and like no I'm
going<00:41:06.960> to<00:41:07.040> make<00:41:07.119> this<00:41:07.359> decision<00:41:07.760> for<00:41:08.079> you

going to make this decision for you

going to make this decision for you
and<00:41:09.359> you're<00:41:09.520> like<00:41:09.680> oh<00:41:09.839> okay<00:41:10.079> no<00:41:10.240> I<00:41:10.400> can<00:41:10.560> go<00:41:10.720> back

and you're like oh okay no I can go back

and you're like oh okay no I can go back
to<00:41:11.119> like

to like

to like
I<00:41:12.480> don't<00:41:12.560> have<00:41:12.720> to<00:41:12.880> do<00:41:13.119> or<00:41:13.359> like<00:41:13.520> I<00:41:13.599> don't<00:41:13.760> have

I don't have to do or like I don't have

I don't have to do or like I don't have
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to make that decision for me, someone

to make that decision for me, someone
else<00:41:15.280> will.<00:41:15.680> I<00:41:15.920> can<00:41:16.079> revert<00:41:16.640> and<00:41:16.880> it<00:41:17.200> honestly

else will. I can revert and it honestly

else will. I can revert and it honestly
feels<00:41:19.839> parental.

feels parental.

feels parental.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
And<00:41:23.280> when<00:41:23.760> you<00:41:24.720> don't<00:41:25.200> have

And when you don't have

And when you don't have
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the background to be a healthy adult, it

the background to be a healthy adult, it
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can feel cathartic. And so I do think

can feel cathartic. And so I do think
there<00:41:34.560> is<00:41:34.880> that<00:41:35.839> catharsis<00:41:36.400> in<00:41:36.720> letting

there is that catharsis in letting

there is that catharsis in letting
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someone make decisions for you because

someone make decisions for you because
she<00:41:40.560> never<00:41:40.720> even<00:41:41.040> she<00:41:41.200> was<00:41:41.359> an<00:41:41.440> orphan.<00:41:41.839> She

she never even she was an orphan. She

she never even she was an orphan. She
never<00:41:42.160> even<00:41:42.400> had<00:41:42.560> the<00:41:42.800> opportunity.

never even had the opportunity.

never even had the opportunity.
But<00:41:44.640> at<00:41:44.800> a<00:41:45.040> certain<00:41:45.359> point,<00:41:46.319> like<00:41:46.560> you<00:41:46.800> you

But at a certain point, like you you

But at a certain point, like you you
need<00:41:47.359> to<00:41:47.520> be<00:41:47.599> autonomous<00:41:48.400> and<00:41:48.720> responsible

need to be autonomous and responsible

need to be autonomous and responsible
and<00:41:50.400> you<00:41:50.640> can't<00:41:52.079> you<00:41:52.400> can't<00:41:52.640> you<00:41:52.880> can't

and you can't you can't you can't

and you can't you can't you can't
control<00:41:53.520> people<00:41:54.000> and<00:41:55.040> you<00:41:55.280> can't<00:41:55.520> ask<00:41:55.760> people

control people and you can't ask people

control people and you can't ask people
to<00:41:56.319> control<00:41:56.640> you.

to control you.

to control you.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
I<00:41:58.319> agree.

I agree.

I agree.
Okay.<00:42:00.319> So,<00:42:00.560> what<00:42:00.800> are<00:42:00.960> some<00:42:01.200> goals<00:42:01.839> that<00:42:02.160> you

Okay. So, what are some goals that you

Okay. So, what are some goals that you
would<00:42:02.560> have?<00:42:03.440> Um,<00:42:04.240> I'd<00:42:04.560> really<00:42:04.800> like<00:42:05.040> to

would have? Um, I'd really like to

would have? Um, I'd really like to
explore<00:42:06.480> his<00:42:06.880> like<00:42:07.359> moral<00:42:08.480> code,<00:42:08.960> like<00:42:09.200> his

explore his like moral code, like his

explore his like moral code, like his
justification,<00:42:10.400> like<00:42:10.640> exploring<00:42:11.119> his<00:42:11.359> belief

justification, like exploring his belief

justification, like exploring his belief
that<00:42:11.920> like<00:42:12.079> bad<00:42:12.400> people<00:42:12.640> deserve<00:42:13.040> bad<00:42:13.280> endings

that like bad people deserve bad endings

that like bad people deserve bad endings
and<00:42:15.760> untangling<00:42:16.560> like<00:42:16.960> justice<00:42:17.520> from

and untangling like justice from

and untangling like justice from
vengeance.<00:42:19.119> I<00:42:19.440> think

vengeance. I think

vengeance. I think
he<00:42:22.319> really<00:42:22.640> loses<00:42:23.599> like<00:42:24.000> what<00:42:24.319> those<00:42:24.720> mean<00:42:25.040> and

he really loses like what those mean and

he really loses like what those mean and
what<00:42:25.520> they<00:42:25.760> actually<00:42:26.160> are

what they actually are

what they actually are
to<00:42:27.760> justify<00:42:28.240> what<00:42:28.480> he<00:42:28.800> does<00:42:29.920> as<00:42:30.160> like<00:42:30.319> he's

to justify what he does as like he's

to justify what he does as like he's
doing<00:42:31.040> like<00:42:31.280> what<00:42:31.599> needs<00:42:31.839> to<00:42:32.000> happen<00:42:32.160> in

doing like what needs to happen in

doing like what needs to happen in
society.

society.

society.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Does<00:42:33.920> that<00:42:34.079> make<00:42:34.240> sense?<00:42:35.040> No,<00:42:35.359> I<00:42:35.520> think<00:42:35.599> that's

Does that make sense? No, I think that's

Does that make sense? No, I think that's
a<00:42:36.079> really<00:42:36.400> interesting<00:42:36.880> point<00:42:37.440> and<00:42:37.760> I<00:42:38.000> think

a really interesting point and I think

a really interesting point and I think
that's<00:42:38.319> something<00:42:39.280> that<00:42:39.520> he<00:42:39.760> would<00:42:40.000> talk

that's something that he would talk

that's something that he would talk
about<00:42:40.800> and<00:42:41.119> willingly<00:42:41.680> talk<00:42:41.920> about<00:42:42.319> and<00:42:42.640> I

about and willingly talk about and I

about and willingly talk about and I
love<00:42:43.040> that<00:42:43.280> you<00:42:43.680> have<00:42:43.920> really<00:42:44.160> focused<00:42:44.480> on

love that you have really focused on

love that you have really focused on
that<00:42:45.359> because<00:42:45.680> I<00:42:46.000> do<00:42:46.240> go<00:42:46.480> straight<00:42:46.720> to<00:42:46.880> the

that because I do go straight to the

that because I do go straight to the
like<00:42:47.440> I<00:42:47.599> think<00:42:47.680> these<00:42:47.920> are<00:42:48.079> the<00:42:48.240> major<00:42:48.400> issues

like I think these are the major issues

like I think these are the major issues
that<00:42:48.880> need<00:42:48.960> to<00:42:49.119> get<00:42:49.200> worked<00:42:49.440> on.

that need to get worked on.

that need to get worked on.
I<00:42:52.640> go<00:42:52.800> right<00:42:52.960> in<00:42:53.119> for<00:42:53.200> the<00:42:53.359> kill.

I go right in for the kill.

I go right in for the kill.
You<00:42:53.839> have<00:42:54.000> childhood<00:42:54.319> trauma.<00:42:54.640> Let's<00:42:54.880> talk

You have childhood trauma. Let's talk

You have childhood trauma. Let's talk
about<00:42:55.200> it.<00:42:55.839> Your<00:42:56.000> parents<00:42:56.319> suck.<00:42:56.800> Tell<00:42:57.040> me

about it. Your parents suck. Tell me

about it. Your parents suck. Tell me
more.

more.

more.
You<00:42:59.280> killed<00:42:59.520> your<00:42:59.680> dad.<00:43:00.000> Let's<00:43:00.800> Oh<00:43:01.119> yeah.<00:43:01.520> Oh

You killed your dad. Let's Oh yeah. Oh

You killed your dad. Let's Oh yeah. Oh
yeah.<00:43:02.560> So,<00:43:03.200> the<00:43:03.440> murderer,<00:43:04.400> like,<00:43:04.640> when<00:43:04.880> did

yeah. So, the murderer, like, when did

yeah. So, the murderer, like, when did
you<00:43:05.359> start<00:43:05.599> feeling<00:43:06.079> like<00:43:06.400> you<00:43:06.640> wanted<00:43:06.880> to

you start feeling like you wanted to

you start feeling like you wanted to
kill<00:43:07.200> your<00:43:07.359> dad?<00:43:07.920> Where<00:43:08.240> did<00:43:08.400> it<00:43:08.640> start?

kill your dad? Where did it start?

kill your dad? Where did it start?
Uhhuh.<00:43:10.800> Uhhuh.<00:43:11.280> How<00:43:11.440> long<00:43:11.599> did<00:43:11.760> you<00:43:11.920> and<00:43:12.079> your

Uhhuh. Uhhuh. How long did you and your

Uhhuh. Uhhuh. How long did you and your
brother<00:43:12.400> come<00:43:12.560> up<00:43:12.640> with<00:43:12.800> that<00:43:12.960> plan?

brother come up with that plan?

brother come up with that plan?
Maybe<00:43:15.599> I<00:43:15.839> should<00:43:15.920> be<00:43:16.079> a<00:43:16.240> police<00:43:16.560> officer

Maybe I should be a police officer

Maybe I should be a police officer
instead<00:43:17.760> of<00:43:17.920> a<00:43:18.160> therapist.

instead of a therapist.

instead of a therapist.
You<00:43:18.800> should<00:43:18.960> definitely<00:43:19.200> be<00:43:19.359> a<00:43:19.520> detective.

You should definitely be a detective.

You should definitely be a detective.
Ah,<00:43:20.800> yes.<00:43:21.440> Except<00:43:21.839> I<00:43:22.079> don't<00:43:22.160> know<00:43:22.480> directions.

Ah, yes. Except I don't know directions.

Ah, yes. Except I don't know directions.
Yeah.<00:43:24.640> Yeah,<00:43:24.960> that's<00:43:25.200> for<00:43:25.440> sure.

Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure.
Okay.<00:43:27.359> Um,<00:43:27.760> so<00:43:28.000> my<00:43:28.240> goals<00:43:28.720> I<00:43:29.040> would<00:43:29.200> want<00:43:29.280> to

Okay. Um, so my goals I would want to

Okay. Um, so my goals I would want to
work<00:43:29.920> on<00:43:30.960> like<00:43:31.200> the<00:43:31.359> anger<00:43:31.680> and<00:43:32.000> control

work on like the anger and control

work on like the anger and control
issues<00:43:33.359> and<00:43:33.599> like<00:43:33.920> identifying<00:43:34.400> and<00:43:34.640> when<00:43:34.720> I

issues and like identifying and when I

issues and like identifying and when I
say<00:43:35.040> anger<00:43:35.520> identifying<00:43:36.880> emotions

say anger identifying emotions

say anger identifying emotions
that<00:43:39.280> aren't<00:43:40.000> anger<00:43:40.480> and<00:43:40.800> like<00:43:41.520> really<00:43:41.920> basic

that aren't anger and like really basic

that aren't anger and like really basic
stuff<00:43:42.640> like<00:43:42.960> I<00:43:43.200> am<00:43:43.440> sad<00:43:44.160> not<00:43:44.400> angry.

stuff like I am sad not angry.

stuff like I am sad not angry.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Because<00:43:45.760> anger<00:43:46.079> is<00:43:46.240> usually<00:43:46.480> a<00:43:46.720> secondary

Because anger is usually a secondary

Because anger is usually a secondary
emotion.

emotion.

emotion.
Um,<00:43:49.599> and<00:43:49.920> then<00:43:50.319> I<00:43:50.560> would<00:43:50.720> want<00:43:50.800> to<00:43:50.960> work<00:43:51.119> to

Um, and then I would want to work to

Um, and then I would want to work to
increase<00:43:51.599> his<00:43:51.839> sublimation.<00:43:53.280> Um,<00:43:54.079> so<00:43:54.720> finding

increase his sublimation. Um, so finding

increase his sublimation. Um, so finding
other<00:43:56.160> channels<00:43:57.359> that<00:43:57.920> can<00:43:58.240> be<00:43:59.680> used<00:44:00.079> for

other channels that can be used for

other channels that can be used for
for<00:44:03.040> quelling<00:44:03.440> the<00:44:03.680> like<00:44:03.920> killing<00:44:04.319> impulse.

for quelling the like killing impulse.

for quelling the like killing impulse.
Yeah.<00:44:05.280> So,<00:44:06.720> can<00:44:07.040> we<00:44:08.480> can<00:44:08.720> we<00:44:09.119> dial<00:44:09.440> it<00:44:09.599> back<00:44:09.839> and

Yeah. So, can we can we dial it back and

Yeah. So, can we can we dial it back and
like<00:44:11.359> you're<00:44:11.520> already<00:44:11.680> a<00:44:11.920> chef,<00:44:12.160> but<00:44:12.400> can<00:44:12.640> you

like you're already a chef, but can you

like you're already a chef, but can you
hunt<00:44:13.200> for<00:44:13.359> the<00:44:13.520> meat<00:44:13.760> that<00:44:13.920> you<00:44:14.160> put

hunt for the meat that you put

hunt for the meat that you put
on<00:44:15.359> other<00:44:15.599> people's<00:44:15.920> tables

on other people's tables

on other people's tables
so<00:44:17.280> that<00:44:17.920> you<00:44:18.240> get<00:44:18.400> this<00:44:18.640> like<00:44:18.960> full

so that you get this like full

so that you get this like full
circle<00:44:21.280> thing?<00:44:21.680> And<00:44:22.000> you<00:44:22.160> get<00:44:22.319> to<00:44:22.640> make<00:44:22.880> people

circle thing? And you get to make people

circle thing? And you get to make people
feel<00:44:23.520> safe<00:44:23.839> and<00:44:24.079> and<00:44:24.480> welcomed<00:44:24.960> and<00:44:25.119> warm<00:44:25.359> in

feel safe and and welcomed and warm in

feel safe and and welcomed and warm in
your<00:44:26.079> and<00:44:26.400> you<00:44:26.560> get<00:44:26.800> full<00:44:27.200> control<00:44:27.680> over

your and you get full control over

your and you get full control over
everyone<00:44:28.880> in<00:44:29.119> your<00:44:29.280> restaurant<00:44:29.680> from<00:44:29.920> like

everyone in your restaurant from like

everyone in your restaurant from like
how<00:44:31.920> where<00:44:32.240> you<00:44:32.480> sourced<00:44:32.880> your<00:44:33.119> goods<00:44:33.680> to<00:44:34.000> how

how where you sourced your goods to how

how where you sourced your goods to how
they're<00:44:34.400> served<00:44:34.640> and<00:44:34.880> presented.

they're served and presented.

they're served and presented.
This<00:44:36.960> this<00:44:37.200> is<00:44:37.359> my<00:44:37.839> I<00:44:38.160> can't<00:44:38.319> come<00:44:38.480> up<00:44:38.640> with<00:44:38.720> a

This this is my I can't come up with a

This this is my I can't come up with a
solution<00:44:39.280> for<00:44:39.520> for<00:44:40.319> people<00:44:41.040> unless<00:44:41.359> they're

solution for for people unless they're

solution for for people unless they're
imaginary.

imaginary.

imaginary.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
As<00:44:43.520> your<00:44:43.680> therapist,<00:44:44.160> I<00:44:44.319> would<00:44:44.400> make<00:44:44.560> you<00:44:44.720> do

As your therapist, I would make you do

As your therapist, I would make you do
this<00:44:45.040> yourself.<00:44:45.760> Be<00:44:45.920> like,<00:44:46.000> "What<00:44:46.319> are<00:44:46.400> some

this yourself. Be like, "What are some

this yourself. Be like, "What are some
other<00:44:46.800> things<00:44:46.960> you<00:44:47.200> could<00:44:47.359> do?"<00:44:48.240> As<00:44:48.400> a

other things you could do?" As a

other things you could do?" As a
therapist,<00:44:48.960> we<00:44:49.200> would<00:44:49.440> collaborate<00:44:50.560> with<00:44:50.800> our

therapist, we would collaborate with our

therapist, we would collaborate with our
clients<00:44:51.280> on<00:44:51.520> what<00:44:51.680> their<00:44:51.839> goals<00:44:52.079> would<00:44:52.319> be.

clients on what their goals would be.

clients on what their goals would be.
Absolutely.<00:44:53.359> Collaborate<00:44:53.839> is<00:44:53.920> a<00:44:54.079> better

Absolutely. Collaborate is a better

Absolutely. Collaborate is a better
word.<00:44:54.480> I<00:44:54.720> would<00:44:54.800> be<00:44:55.040> like,<00:44:55.359> figure<00:44:55.599> it<00:44:55.760> out.

word. I would be like, figure it out.

word. I would be like, figure it out.
I<00:44:57.599> would

I would

I would
be<00:44:59.839> like

I<00:45:03.680> like<00:45:03.839> how<00:45:04.000> you<00:45:04.079> go<00:45:04.240> to<00:45:04.319> like<00:45:04.560> instead<00:45:04.800> of

I like how you go to like instead of

I like how you go to like instead of
killing<00:45:05.200> people,<00:45:05.359> you<00:45:05.520> should<00:45:05.680> hunt<00:45:06.000> animals.

killing people, you should hunt animals.

killing people, you should hunt animals.
I'm<00:45:06.640> like

I'm like

I'm like
I<00:45:07.200> know.<00:45:07.440> I<00:45:07.599> know.<00:45:07.760> I<00:45:07.920> know.<00:45:08.079> I<00:45:08.240> felt<00:45:08.400> weird

I know. I know. I know. I felt weird

I know. I know. I know. I felt weird
about<00:45:08.800> that,<00:45:09.119> too,<00:45:09.440> because<00:45:10.240> a<00:45:10.480> lot<00:45:10.560> of

about that, too, because a lot of

about that, too, because a lot of
initial<00:45:11.359> signs<00:45:11.599> of<00:45:11.760> psychopathy<00:45:12.400> are<00:45:12.560> like

initial signs of psychopathy are like

initial signs of psychopathy are like
harmed<00:45:13.119> animals.

harmed animals.

harmed animals.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
But<00:45:14.560> I<00:45:14.800> think<00:45:14.960> because<00:45:15.280> he's<00:45:15.599> a<00:45:15.839> chef

But I think because he's a chef

But I think because he's a chef
Yeah.<00:45:17.280> and<00:45:17.680> he<00:45:17.920> has<00:45:18.079> the<00:45:18.400> control<00:45:18.720> issues<00:45:19.440> that

Yeah. and he has the control issues that

Yeah. and he has the control issues that
it's<00:45:20.160> not<00:45:20.400> just<00:45:20.640> like<00:45:20.960> hunting<00:45:21.359> for<00:45:21.599> fun,<00:45:22.480> it's

it's not just like hunting for fun, it's

it's not just like hunting for fun, it's
hunting<00:45:23.119> with<00:45:23.280> a<00:45:23.520> purpose,<00:45:24.000> which<00:45:24.240> I<00:45:24.560> do<00:45:24.800> think

hunting with a purpose, which I do think

hunting with a purpose, which I do think
hunting<00:45:25.359> with<00:45:25.520> a<00:45:25.680> purpose<00:45:25.920> is<00:45:26.400> is<00:45:26.720> ethical.

hunting with a purpose is is ethical.

hunting with a purpose is is ethical.
Like<00:45:27.280> if<00:45:27.520> you're<00:45:27.680> going<00:45:27.839> to<00:45:28.079> hunt,<00:45:28.960> you<00:45:29.280> you<00:45:29.839> in

Like if you're going to hunt, you you in

Like if you're going to hunt, you you in
my<00:45:30.240> opinion,<00:45:30.560> you<00:45:30.800> need<00:45:30.880> to<00:45:31.040> eat<00:45:31.440> the<00:45:31.680> meat.

my opinion, you need to eat the meat.

my opinion, you need to eat the meat.
I<00:45:32.960> love<00:45:33.200> doing<00:45:33.440> that.<00:45:33.920> Yeah.<00:45:34.240> No,<00:45:34.480> like<00:45:34.880> when

I love doing that. Yeah. No, like when

I love doing that. Yeah. No, like when
that<00:45:35.920> sounds<00:45:36.160> weird.<00:45:36.640> Sorry.<00:45:37.680> I<00:45:37.920> We<00:45:38.160> live

that sounds weird. Sorry. I We live

that sounds weird. Sorry. I We live
We<00:45:38.800> live<00:45:38.880> in<00:45:39.040> Texas.

We live in Texas.

We live in Texas.
We<00:45:39.599> live<00:45:39.760> in<00:45:40.000> Texas.<00:45:40.880> But<00:45:41.040> like<00:45:41.280> when<00:45:41.520> Drake

We live in Texas. But like when Drake

We live in Texas. But like when Drake
hunts,<00:45:42.640> we<00:45:42.960> eat<00:45:43.440> the<00:45:43.680> deer<00:45:43.920> and<00:45:44.160> it's<00:45:44.400> it's

hunts, we eat the deer and it's it's

hunts, we eat the deer and it's it's
good<00:45:45.119> and<00:45:45.359> it<00:45:45.599> honestly<00:45:46.000> saves<00:45:46.240> us<00:45:46.480> money

good and it honestly saves us money

good and it honestly saves us money
and

and

and
it's<00:45:48.800> not<00:45:48.960> like<00:45:49.119> I'm<00:45:49.359> out<00:45:49.599> there<00:45:50.720> like<00:45:50.960> there's

it's not like I'm out there like there's

it's not like I'm out there like there's
seasons,<00:45:51.920> there's<00:45:52.160> permits,<00:45:52.960> there's<00:45:53.200> a<00:45:53.359> lot

seasons, there's permits, there's a lot

seasons, there's permits, there's a lot
of<00:45:53.599> regulations<00:45:54.079> around<00:45:54.400> it.<00:45:54.960> Um,<00:45:55.839> and<00:45:56.000> it's

of regulations around it. Um, and it's

of regulations around it. Um, and it's
all<00:45:56.480> for<00:45:56.720> a<00:45:58.000> for<00:45:58.240> the<00:45:58.480> purpose<00:45:58.720> of<00:45:58.880> like

all for a for the purpose of like

all for a for the purpose of like
sustaining<00:45:59.520> yourself<00:45:59.839> and<00:46:00.079> all<00:46:00.160> of<00:46:00.240> the<00:46:00.400> parts

sustaining yourself and all of the parts

sustaining yourself and all of the parts
get<00:46:00.880> used.<00:46:01.200> And<00:46:01.359> I<00:46:01.520> think,

get used. And I think,

get used. And I think,
you<00:46:02.400> know,<00:46:02.560> there<00:46:02.800> is

you know, there is

you know, there is
that's<00:46:04.960> just<00:46:05.119> kind<00:46:05.359> of<00:46:05.440> part<00:46:05.599> of<00:46:05.760> life.<00:46:06.560> So,

that's just kind of part of life. So,

that's just kind of part of life. So,
and<00:46:07.040> I<00:46:07.280> think<00:46:07.440> for<00:46:07.680> him<00:46:08.000> like<00:46:08.240> there<00:46:08.400> is<00:46:08.480> a

and I think for him like there is a

and I think for him like there is a
there<00:46:09.280> is<00:46:09.440> a<00:46:09.599> genuine<00:46:10.319> use<00:46:10.640> for<00:46:10.800> it.

there is a genuine use for it.

there is a genuine use for it.
So,<00:46:11.920> that's<00:46:12.160> that's<00:46:12.480> what<00:46:12.640> that<00:46:12.880> was<00:46:12.960> kind<00:46:13.119> of

So, that's that's what that was kind of

So, that's that's what that was kind of
my<00:46:13.359> thought<00:46:13.599> process.<00:46:14.079> Not<00:46:14.240> like<00:46:14.400> go<00:46:14.560> out<00:46:14.720> and

my thought process. Not like go out and

my thought process. Not like go out and
be<00:46:14.960> cruel<00:46:15.200> to<00:46:15.359> animals<00:46:15.680> cuz<00:46:15.920> obviously<00:46:16.240> I

be cruel to animals cuz obviously I

be cruel to animals cuz obviously I
don't<00:46:16.640> I<00:46:16.880> don't<00:46:17.119> endorse<00:46:17.440> that.

don't I don't endorse that.

don't I don't endorse that.
No.<00:46:17.760> No.<00:46:17.920> I<00:46:18.000> I<00:46:18.240> knew<00:46:18.400> what<00:46:18.480> you<00:46:18.640> meant.

No. No. I I knew what you meant.

No. No. I I knew what you meant.
But<00:46:19.440> for<00:46:20.560> like

But for like

But for like
like<00:46:21.920> girl.

like girl.

like girl.
No.<00:46:22.880> I<00:46:23.040> was<00:46:23.119> like<00:46:23.359> well<00:46:24.400> like<00:46:24.800> I<00:46:25.040> go<00:46:25.280> hunting

No. I was like well like I go hunting

No. I was like well like I go hunting
and<00:46:25.760> like<00:46:25.920> a<00:46:26.079> lot<00:46:26.160> of<00:46:26.240> people<00:46:26.319> do.<00:46:26.560> So<00:46:26.640> I'm<00:46:26.720> like

and like a lot of people do. So I'm like

and like a lot of people do. So I'm like
wait<00:46:27.119> am<00:46:27.200> I<00:46:27.280> a<00:46:27.440> serial<00:46:27.760> killer?

wait am I a serial killer?

wait am I a serial killer?
No<00:46:28.640> no<00:46:28.640> no

No no no

No no no
I<00:46:29.680> know<00:46:30.000> I'm<00:46:30.240> overthinking<00:46:30.800> this

I know I'm overthinking this

I know I'm overthinking this
a<00:46:31.359> serial<00:46:31.680> animal<00:46:32.079> killer.

you're<00:46:35.440> like,<00:46:35.520> "It's<00:46:35.839> not<00:46:36.000> fun.<00:46:36.240> Like,<00:46:36.400> it's

you're like, "It's not fun. Like, it's

you're like, "It's not fun. Like, it's
meant<00:46:36.800> for<00:46:36.960> a<00:46:37.119> purpose."<00:46:37.280> And<00:46:37.440> I'm<00:46:37.520> like,

meant for a purpose." And I'm like,

meant for a purpose." And I'm like,
"Well,

"Well,

"Well,
I<00:46:39.520> really<00:46:39.760> like<00:46:40.000> to<00:46:40.240> think<00:46:40.400> of<00:46:40.480> it<00:46:40.640> as<00:46:40.720> a<00:46:40.880> per

I really like to think of it as a per

I really like to think of it as a per
like<00:46:41.200> if<00:46:41.359> if<00:46:41.520> we're

like if if we're

like if if we're
there<00:46:42.000> is<00:46:42.160> a<00:46:42.240> purpose."

there is a purpose."

there is a purpose."
Yeah.<00:46:43.440> Even<00:46:43.680> for<00:46:43.920> fishing.<00:46:44.400> Like

Yeah. Even for fishing. Like

Yeah. Even for fishing. Like
I<00:46:45.920> if<00:46:46.160> I<00:46:46.319> go<00:46:46.480> fishing,<00:46:47.040> which<00:46:47.359> I<00:46:47.920> don't<00:46:48.160> go

I if I go fishing, which I don't go

I if I go fishing, which I don't go
fishing.<00:46:49.119> Yeah.<00:46:49.359> Yeah.<00:46:49.599> I<00:46:49.760> go<00:46:49.920> fishing<00:46:50.240> every

fishing. Yeah. Yeah. I go fishing every

fishing. Yeah. Yeah. I go fishing every
now<00:46:50.640> and<00:46:50.800> then.

now and then.

now and then.
I<00:46:51.680> go<00:46:51.839> gigging<00:46:52.319> with<00:46:52.560> my<00:46:52.800> sister<00:46:53.119> from<00:46:53.359> time<00:46:53.520> to

I go gigging with my sister from time to

I go gigging with my sister from time to
time.

time.

time.
Oh,<00:46:54.319> fun.

Oh, fun.

Oh, fun.
I<00:46:55.760> secretly<00:46:56.319> am<00:46:56.480> country.<00:46:56.880> It's<00:46:57.119> disgusting.

I secretly am country. It's disgusting.

I secretly am country. It's disgusting.
No<00:46:58.240> offense<00:46:58.560> to<00:46:58.800> country<00:46:59.200> people,<00:46:59.920> but<00:47:00.160> like

No offense to country people, but like

No offense to country people, but like
it's<00:47:00.720> going<00:47:00.800> to<00:47:00.960> ruin<00:47:01.200> my<00:47:01.359> rep<00:47:01.599> as<00:47:01.760> a<00:47:01.920> city

it's going to ruin my rep as a city

it's going to ruin my rep as a city
girl.

girl.

girl.
Yeah.<00:47:03.359> Um<00:47:03.680> but<00:47:03.920> yeah,<00:47:04.079> if<00:47:04.240> I<00:47:04.400> go<00:47:04.560> fishing<00:47:05.280> or

Yeah. Um but yeah, if I go fishing or

Yeah. Um but yeah, if I go fishing or
hunting,<00:47:08.480> it's<00:47:08.800> it's<00:47:09.280> very<00:47:09.599> small<00:47:10.079> and<00:47:10.400> I<00:47:10.560> I<00:47:10.640> I

hunting, it's it's very small and I I I

hunting, it's it's very small and I I I
make<00:47:11.359> a<00:47:11.520> point<00:47:11.680> of<00:47:11.839> like<00:47:12.000> I<00:47:12.319> have<00:47:12.480> to

make a point of like I have to

make a point of like I have to
use<00:47:14.480> these

use these

use these
product<00:47:17.040> these<00:47:17.280> animals,<00:47:18.000> the<00:47:18.319> byproduct<00:47:18.800> of

product these animals, the byproduct of

product these animals, the byproduct of
these<00:47:19.200> animals<00:47:19.920> in

these animals in

these animals in
as<00:47:22.000> much<00:47:22.160> as<00:47:22.319> possible.<00:47:22.880> Yeah,

as much as possible. Yeah,

as much as possible. Yeah,
for<00:47:24.400> sure.<00:47:24.800> But<00:47:24.960> I<00:47:25.119> also<00:47:25.359> think<00:47:25.440> that<00:47:25.680> keeps

for sure. But I also think that keeps

for sure. But I also think that keeps
you<00:47:26.000> really<00:47:26.240> connected<00:47:26.560> with<00:47:26.720> your<00:47:26.880> food

you really connected with your food

you really connected with your food
sources,<00:47:27.680> which<00:47:27.920> I<00:47:28.240> think<00:47:28.480> we<00:47:29.119> often<00:47:29.520> aren't,

sources, which I think we often aren't,

sources, which I think we often aren't,
and<00:47:30.480> can<00:47:30.720> lead<00:47:30.960> to<00:47:31.119> more<00:47:31.359> inhumane<00:47:31.920> treatment.

and can lead to more inhumane treatment.

and can lead to more inhumane treatment.
Yeah.<00:47:33.200> So,

Yeah. So,

Yeah. So,
I<00:47:34.000> get<00:47:34.160> it.

I get it.

I get it.
Definitely<00:47:34.720> not<00:47:34.960> anti-<00:47:35.359> hunting<00:47:35.680> over<00:47:35.920> here,

Definitely not anti- hunting over here,

Definitely not anti- hunting over here,
though.<00:47:37.119> I<00:47:37.440> like<00:47:37.680> don't<00:47:37.920> cancel<00:47:38.319> us<00:47:38.560> for

though. I like don't cancel us for

though. I like don't cancel us for
saying<00:47:38.960> that

saying that

saying that
that<00:47:40.960> we<00:47:41.200> are<00:47:41.680> for<00:47:41.920> hunting.

that we are for hunting.

that we are for hunting.
Yeah.<00:47:43.440> I<00:47:43.599> feel<00:47:43.760> like<00:47:44.079> people<00:47:44.640> can

Yeah. I feel like people can

Yeah. I feel like people can
We<00:47:45.119> live<00:47:45.280> in<00:47:45.440> the<00:47:45.599> south.

We live in the south.

We live in the south.
Okay.<00:47:47.200> But,<00:47:47.599> um,

Okay. But, um,

Okay. But, um,
you're<00:47:48.000> right.<00:47:48.160> We<00:47:48.319> might<00:47:48.400> have

you're right. We might have

you're right. We might have
We<00:47:48.800> have<00:47:48.880> listeners<00:47:49.280> in<00:47:49.520> Australia.

We have listeners in Australia.

We have listeners in Australia.
So,<00:47:53.359> although<00:47:53.680> I<00:47:53.839> think<00:47:54.000> Australians<00:47:54.560> are

So, although I think Australians are

So, although I think Australians are
like,<00:47:54.880> "Yeah,<00:47:55.119> we<00:47:55.680> hunt

like, "Yeah, we hunt

like, "Yeah, we hunt
for<00:47:56.720> sure.

for sure.

for sure.
We<00:47:57.520> have<00:47:57.680> to<00:47:57.839> survive.<00:47:58.400> We

We have to survive. We

We have to survive. We
Dude,<00:47:59.839> have<00:48:00.079> you<00:48:00.480> never<00:48:00.720> mind?<00:48:01.280> That's<00:48:01.440> off

Dude, have you never mind? That's off

Dude, have you never mind? That's off
topic.<00:48:02.000> I'm<00:48:02.240> not<00:48:02.319> gonna<00:48:02.560> get<00:48:02.640> into<00:48:02.880> that.

topic. I'm not gonna get into that.

topic. I'm not gonna get into that.
Anyways,

Anyways,

Anyways,
my<00:48:05.119> second<00:48:05.440> goal<00:48:05.680> that<00:48:05.920> I<00:48:06.160> was<00:48:06.480> I<00:48:06.800> would<00:48:06.960> also

my second goal that I was I would also

my second goal that I was I would also
want<00:48:07.599> to<00:48:07.680> work<00:48:07.839> on<00:48:08.000> with<00:48:08.240> him<00:48:08.400> as<00:48:08.640> my<00:48:08.880> client<00:48:09.200> is

want to work on with him as my client is

want to work on with him as my client is
like<00:48:10.880> talking<00:48:11.200> about<00:48:11.440> vulnerability<00:48:12.319> and

like talking about vulnerability and

like talking about vulnerability and
like<00:48:12.880> allowing<00:48:13.440> connection<00:48:14.000> without<00:48:14.400> like

like allowing connection without like

like allowing connection without like
guilt<00:48:14.880> or<00:48:15.119> self-punishment.

guilt or self-punishment.

guilt or self-punishment.
So,<00:48:16.880> I<00:48:17.040> think<00:48:17.119> that'd<00:48:17.440> be<00:48:17.520> really<00:48:17.839> important.

So, I think that'd be really important.

So, I think that'd be really important.
I<00:48:18.640> think<00:48:18.800> especially<00:48:19.359> like<00:48:20.000> to<00:48:20.400> further

I think especially like to further

I think especially like to further
help,<00:48:23.200> not<00:48:23.440> help's<00:48:23.839> not<00:48:23.920> the<00:48:24.079> right<00:48:24.240> word,<00:48:24.559> but

help, not help's not the right word, but

help, not help's not the right word, but
I<00:48:25.599> guess<00:48:25.839> like<00:48:26.079> be<00:48:26.319> helpful<00:48:26.559> with<00:48:26.800> his

I guess like be helpful with his

I guess like be helpful with his
relationship<00:48:27.520> with<00:48:27.680> Sloan<00:48:28.079> on<00:48:28.319> like

relationship with Sloan on like

relationship with Sloan on like
in<00:48:30.160> this<00:48:30.400> midst<00:48:30.800> of<00:48:31.040> like<00:48:31.359> chaos.<00:48:32.079> Like<00:48:32.319> yes,

in this midst of like chaos. Like yes,

in this midst of like chaos. Like yes,
y'all<00:48:32.960> are<00:48:33.040> both<00:48:33.280> serial<00:48:33.599> killers,<00:48:34.079> but<00:48:34.319> like

y'all are both serial killers, but like

y'all are both serial killers, but like
you<00:48:35.040> can<00:48:35.200> kind<00:48:35.359> of<00:48:35.520> find<00:48:35.760> a<00:48:35.920> sense<00:48:36.160> of<00:48:36.319> normaly

you can kind of find a sense of normaly

you can kind of find a sense of normaly
within<00:48:37.839> your<00:48:38.240> relationship.<00:48:39.599> So<00:48:39.760> like<00:48:40.000> how

within your relationship. So like how

within your relationship. So like how
can<00:48:40.319> we<00:48:40.480> do<00:48:40.559> that<00:48:40.800> like<00:48:41.040> through<00:48:41.280> like

can we do that like through like

can we do that like through like
vulnerability<00:48:42.240> and<00:48:42.480> like<00:48:42.720> being<00:48:42.960> connected

vulnerability and like being connected

vulnerability and like being connected
to<00:48:43.520> someone<00:48:43.760> else?<00:48:44.400> Yeah,<00:48:44.640> I<00:48:44.800> think<00:48:44.960> too<00:48:45.119> like

to someone else? Yeah, I think too like

to someone else? Yeah, I think too like
also<00:48:45.680> finding<00:48:46.319> relationships<00:48:47.119> outside<00:48:47.520> of

also finding relationships outside of

also finding relationships outside of
like<00:48:48.000> his<00:48:48.319> brother

like his brother

like his brother
and<00:48:50.800> Sloan<00:48:51.359> would<00:48:51.520> be<00:48:51.680> really<00:48:51.920> helpful.<00:48:52.240> Just

and Sloan would be really helpful. Just

and Sloan would be really helpful. Just
like<00:48:52.640> finding<00:48:52.960> like<00:48:53.200> genuine<00:48:54.079> friendship

like finding like genuine friendship

like finding like genuine friendship
connections,<00:48:56.079> but<00:48:56.240> again<00:48:56.480> that's<00:48:56.720> hard<00:48:56.800> when

connections, but again that's hard when

connections, but again that's hard when
you're<00:48:57.119> a<00:48:57.280> serial<00:48:57.680> killer.<00:48:58.079> So

you're a serial killer. So

you're a serial killer. So
yeah,<00:48:58.480> because<00:48:58.640> you<00:48:58.800> have<00:48:58.960> to<00:48:59.040> keep<00:48:59.520> a<00:48:59.760> big

yeah, because you have to keep a big

yeah, because you have to keep a big
secret.

secret.

secret.
Secret.<00:49:00.800> Yeah.<00:49:01.040> So<00:49:01.280> almost<00:49:01.520> in<00:49:01.599> a<00:49:01.760> sense<00:49:01.920> like

Secret. Yeah. So almost in a sense like

Secret. Yeah. So almost in a sense like
maybe<00:49:02.319> you're<00:49:02.480> not<00:49:02.720> really<00:49:03.040> being<00:49:03.440> able<00:49:03.680> to<00:49:03.839> be

maybe you're not really being able to be

maybe you're not really being able to be
authentically<00:49:04.800> yourself<00:49:05.280> with<00:49:05.520> someone.

authentically yourself with someone.

authentically yourself with someone.
But<00:49:06.559> Sloan's<00:49:07.119> friend<00:49:07.760> maybe.

But Sloan's friend maybe.

But Sloan's friend maybe.
Yeah.<00:49:09.599> Lark.<00:49:10.400> Yeah.

Yeah. Lark. Yeah.

Yeah. Lark. Yeah.
Her<00:49:11.839> book's<00:49:12.079> the<00:49:12.240> next<00:49:12.480> book,<00:49:12.800> right?

Her book's the next book, right?

Her book's the next book, right?
I<00:49:13.280> think<00:49:13.359> so.<00:49:13.599> Yeah.<00:49:14.000> The<00:49:14.160> older<00:49:14.400> brother.

I think so. Yeah. The older brother.

I think so. Yeah. The older brother.
Yeah,

Yeah,

Yeah,
I<00:49:15.599> might<00:49:15.760> read<00:49:16.000> it.

I might read it.

I might read it.
The<00:49:17.599> older<00:49:18.000> brother.

The older brother.

The older brother.
Wait,<00:49:18.640> he's<00:49:18.880> Irish,<00:49:19.280> too.<00:49:19.520> I'm<00:49:19.839> going<00:49:20.000> to

Wait, he's Irish, too. I'm going to

Wait, he's Irish, too. I'm going to
listen<00:49:20.640> to<00:49:20.880> it.

Their<00:49:24.480> brother<00:49:24.800> will<00:49:24.960> want<00:49:25.119> to<00:49:25.280> know.<00:49:26.160> Then<00:49:26.400> he

Their brother will want to know. Then he

Their brother will want to know. Then he
has<00:49:26.640> to<00:49:26.800> have<00:49:26.960> an<00:49:27.839> I<00:49:28.079> wonder<00:49:28.240> if<00:49:28.400> it's<00:49:28.559> the<00:49:28.800> same

has to have an I wonder if it's the same

has to have an I wonder if it's the same
person<00:49:29.440> that<00:49:29.680> does<00:49:29.920> the<00:49:30.079> older<00:49:30.319> brother.

person that does the older brother.

person that does the older brother.
You<00:49:31.119> really<00:49:31.359> liked<00:49:31.680> this<00:49:31.839> audio<00:49:32.160> book,<00:49:32.559> dude.

You really liked this audio book, dude.

You really liked this audio book, dude.
It<00:49:33.040> was

It was

It was
Would<00:49:35.200> you<00:49:35.359> give<00:49:35.599> the<00:49:35.760> audio<00:49:36.160> book<00:49:36.559> different

Would you give the audio book different

Would you give the audio book different
a<00:49:37.119> different<00:49:37.359> flag<00:49:37.760> rate<00:49:38.079> rating<00:49:38.640> from<00:49:39.119> the

a different flag rate rating from the

a different flag rate rating from the
like<00:49:39.920> physical<00:49:40.319> book<00:49:40.720> and<00:49:40.880> just<00:49:41.119> reading<00:49:41.440> it?

like physical book and just reading it?

like physical book and just reading it?
flag<00:49:43.040> rating.<00:49:44.000> No.<00:49:44.880> Enjoyment<00:49:45.440> out<00:49:45.680> of<00:49:45.760> it.

flag rating. No. Enjoyment out of it.

flag rating. No. Enjoyment out of it.
Yes.<00:49:47.359> So<00:49:47.599> like<00:49:48.000> reading<00:49:48.720> the<00:49:48.960> physical<00:49:49.599> I

Yes. So like reading the physical I

Yes. So like reading the physical I
didn't<00:49:49.839> even<00:49:50.000> read<00:49:50.160> the<00:49:50.319> physical<00:49:50.559> book.

didn't even read the physical book.

didn't even read the physical book.
Reading<00:49:51.040> it<00:49:51.119> on<00:49:51.280> my<00:49:51.440> Kindle<00:49:52.559> I<00:49:52.880> I<00:49:53.200> think<00:49:53.280> it<00:49:53.520> was

Reading it on my Kindle I I think it was

Reading it on my Kindle I I think it was
harder<00:49:54.079> for<00:49:54.400> me

harder for me

harder for me
whereas<00:49:55.920> in<00:49:56.240> like<00:49:56.559> I<00:49:56.800> think<00:49:57.040> listening<00:49:58.400> and

whereas in like I think listening and

whereas in like I think listening and
the<00:50:00.960> audible<00:50:01.680> was<00:50:01.920> a<00:50:02.079> little<00:50:02.160> bit<00:50:02.319> more<00:50:02.559> enjoy

the audible was a little bit more enjoy

the audible was a little bit more enjoy
like<00:50:04.240> there<00:50:04.480> was<00:50:04.640> more<00:50:04.800> enjoyment<00:50:05.280> with<00:50:05.520> it.

like there was more enjoyment with it.

like there was more enjoyment with it.
So<00:50:06.160> like

So like

So like
their<00:50:08.720> kind<00:50:08.880> of<00:50:08.960> like<00:50:09.200> back<00:50:09.440> and<00:50:09.680> forth<00:50:10.000> was<00:50:10.319> in

their kind of like back and forth was in

their kind of like back and forth was in
their<00:50:10.720> voices.<00:50:11.839> Mhm.

their voices. Mhm.

their voices. Mhm.
And<00:50:12.559> the<00:50:12.800> Irish<00:50:13.280> accent<00:50:13.680> was<00:50:13.839> there<00:50:14.079> and<00:50:14.240> it

And the Irish accent was there and it

And the Irish accent was there and it
was<00:50:14.559> really<00:50:14.720> hot.

was really hot.

was really hot.
Maybe<00:50:15.520> the<00:50:15.680> banter<00:50:16.079> would<00:50:16.319> sound<00:50:16.559> better

Maybe the banter would sound better

Maybe the banter would sound better
live.

live.

live.
I<00:50:17.359> think<00:50:17.440> the<00:50:17.760> banter<00:50:18.240> sounded<00:50:18.640> better

I think the banter sounded better

I think the banter sounded better
through<00:50:19.200> audio.

through audio.

through audio.
Okay.<00:50:20.480> Cuz<00:50:20.800> I'm<00:50:21.200> just<00:50:21.359> reading<00:50:21.599> it.<00:50:21.760> I<00:50:22.000> was

Okay. Cuz I'm just reading it. I was

Okay. Cuz I'm just reading it. I was
like,<00:50:22.160> "Oh<00:50:22.400> my<00:50:22.559> god."

like, "Oh my god."

like, "Oh my god."
Yeah.<00:50:23.920> No,<00:50:24.160> to<00:50:24.400> me<00:50:24.559> the<00:50:24.800> banter<00:50:25.280> sounded

Yeah. No, to me the banter sounded

Yeah. No, to me the banter sounded
better<00:50:27.040> through<00:50:27.359> audio.<00:50:27.760> So<00:50:28.000> I<00:50:28.240> enjoyed<00:50:28.960> in

better through audio. So I enjoyed in

better through audio. So I enjoyed in
this<00:50:29.440> book,<00:50:29.680> I<00:50:29.839> enjoyed<00:50:30.160> the<00:50:30.240> audio<00:50:30.559> more<00:50:30.720> than

this book, I enjoyed the audio more than

this book, I enjoyed the audio more than
I<00:50:31.040> joy<00:50:31.359> enjoyed<00:50:31.839> like<00:50:32.079> physically<00:50:32.559> reading

I joy enjoyed like physically reading

I joy enjoyed like physically reading
it.<00:50:34.000> Okay.

it. Okay.

it. Okay.
So,<00:50:35.839> I<00:50:36.079> think<00:50:36.160> we're<00:50:36.319> at<00:50:36.480> the<00:50:36.640> point<00:50:36.800> in<00:50:36.960> the

So, I think we're at the point in the

So, I think we're at the point in the
podcast<00:50:37.520> where<00:50:37.760> we<00:50:37.920> can<00:50:38.319> officially<00:50:39.040> make<00:50:39.280> our

podcast where we can officially make our

podcast where we can officially make our
decision.

decision.

decision.
Is<00:50:41.920> he<00:50:42.160> hot<00:50:42.640> or<00:50:43.040> is<00:50:43.280> it<00:50:43.520> trauma?

I'm<00:50:47.839> going<00:50:48.000> to<00:50:48.079> let<00:50:48.240> you<00:50:48.400> start<00:50:48.800> cuz<00:50:49.280> I<00:50:49.520> know

I'm going to let you start cuz I know

I'm going to let you start cuz I know
you're<00:50:49.920> going<00:50:50.000> to<00:50:50.079> have<00:50:50.160> an<00:50:50.319> unhinged<00:50:50.960> answer.

you're going to have an unhinged answer.

you're going to have an unhinged answer.
No,<00:50:52.240> he's

No, he's

No, he's
It's<00:50:54.559> definitely

It's

definitely<00:51:01.920> trauma.<00:51:02.559> Like<00:51:03.119> God,

definitely trauma. Like God,

definitely trauma. Like God,
like<00:51:04.400> for<00:51:04.800> sure<00:51:05.839> like

like for sure like

like for sure like
capital<00:51:06.559> T<00:51:07.040> trauma.

capital T trauma.

capital T trauma.
Yeah.<00:51:08.240> But<00:51:08.480> like<00:51:09.440> it's<00:51:09.760> trauma.

Yeah. But like it's trauma.

Yeah. But like it's trauma.
Yeah.<00:51:10.880> Yeah.<00:51:11.119> Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's<00:51:11.760> trauma.

It's trauma.

It's trauma.
Mhm.<00:51:13.839> Yeah.

Mhm. Yeah.

Mhm. Yeah.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
Do<00:51:16.800> not<00:51:17.040> date.

Do not date.

Do not date.
Mhm.

Mhm.

Mhm.
Don't<00:51:20.800> date<00:51:21.040> him.

Don't date him.

Don't date him.
I<00:51:22.800> would<00:51:23.200> never.

I would never.

I would never.
Oh<00:51:24.240> my<00:51:24.400> god.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.
He<00:51:25.920> was<00:51:26.160> hot<00:51:26.480> though.<00:51:27.359> It<00:51:27.599> was<00:51:27.680> the<00:51:27.920> accent<00:51:28.240> in

He was hot though. It was the accent in

He was hot though. It was the accent in
all<00:51:28.640> honesty.<00:51:29.200> in<00:51:29.680> trauma.

all honesty. in trauma.

all honesty. in trauma.
His<00:51:31.119> like<00:51:31.440> description<00:51:31.920> of<00:51:32.160> like<00:51:32.400> what<00:51:32.559> he

His like description of like what he

His like description of like what he
looked<00:51:33.040> like.

looked like.

looked like.
Anyways,<00:51:36.400> trauma<00:51:36.880> guys,<00:51:37.200> don't<00:51:37.359> date<00:51:37.599> him.

Anyways, trauma guys, don't date him.

Anyways, trauma guys, don't date him.
I<00:51:38.880> would<00:51:39.040> give<00:51:39.200> this<00:51:39.440> book<00:51:39.680> my<00:51:39.920> flag<00:51:40.160> rating

I would give this book my flag rating

I would give this book my flag rating
like<00:51:40.800> for<00:51:41.040> me<00:51:41.280> obviously<00:51:41.599> he's<00:51:41.839> trauma.

like for me obviously he's trauma.

like for me obviously he's trauma.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.
And<00:51:43.200> then<00:51:43.359> my<00:51:43.599> flag<00:51:43.839> rating<00:51:44.319> I<00:51:44.480> would<00:51:44.800> two<00:51:45.040> red

And then my flag rating I would two red

And then my flag rating I would two red
flags.

flags.

flags.
I<00:51:46.800> agree.<00:51:47.839> Not<00:51:48.000> for<00:51:48.240> the<00:51:48.400> same<00:51:48.559> reasons.

I agree. Not for the same reasons.

I agree. Not for the same reasons.
I<00:51:49.920> would<00:51:50.079> say<00:51:50.240> yeah,<00:51:50.480> this<00:51:50.640> book<00:51:50.800> for<00:51:51.040> me<00:51:51.280> it's

I would say yeah, this book for me it's

I would say yeah, this book for me it's
it's<00:51:52.000> too<00:51:52.240> gory<00:51:52.800> and<00:51:53.040> I<00:51:53.200> don't<00:51:53.359> like<00:51:53.440> the

it's too gory and I don't like the

it's too gory and I don't like the
banner

banner

banner
um<00:51:55.200> the<00:51:55.440> banter,<00:51:56.079> excuse<00:51:56.400> me.<00:51:57.280> And

um the banter, excuse me. And

um the banter, excuse me. And
While<00:51:59.200> there<00:51:59.440> were<00:51:59.599> some<00:51:59.839> really<00:52:00.319> heartfelt

While there were some really heartfelt

While there were some really heartfelt
moments<00:52:02.400> that<00:52:03.359> elicited<00:52:04.160> good<00:52:04.480> reactions<00:52:05.119> out

moments that elicited good reactions out

moments that elicited good reactions out
of<00:52:05.440> me<00:52:05.599> where<00:52:05.920> like<00:52:06.160> I<00:52:06.319> really<00:52:06.480> just<00:52:06.640> had<00:52:06.800> an

of me where like I really just had an

of me where like I really just had an
emotional<00:52:07.359> response<00:52:07.760> and<00:52:07.920> I<00:52:08.079> appreciated

emotional response and I appreciated

emotional response and I appreciated
it<00:52:10.000> didn't

it didn't

it didn't
overtake<00:52:12.240> the<00:52:13.359> the<00:52:13.680> like<00:52:13.920> disbelief<00:52:14.400> I<00:52:14.640> had<00:52:14.720> to

overtake the the like disbelief I had to

overtake the the like disbelief I had to
have.

have.

have.
I<00:52:15.520> agree<00:52:15.760> with<00:52:15.839> the<00:52:16.000> two<00:52:16.160> red<00:52:16.400> flags.<00:52:16.800> I<00:52:16.960> think

I agree with the two red flags. I think

I agree with the two red flags. I think
mine<00:52:17.359> is<00:52:17.599> just<00:52:17.760> like<00:52:19.200> they<00:52:19.440> for<00:52:19.599> sure<00:52:19.839> need

mine is just like they for sure need

mine is just like they for sure need
therapy

therapy

therapy
for<00:52:22.240> sure.<00:52:23.119> My<00:52:23.359> last<00:52:23.680> sentence<00:52:24.000> I<00:52:24.240> put<00:52:24.720> oddly

for sure. My last sentence I put oddly

for sure. My last sentence I put oddly
heartwarming<00:52:26.160> read<00:52:26.960> for<00:52:27.280> about<00:52:27.599> two<00:52:28.160> deeply

heartwarming read for about two deeply

heartwarming read for about two deeply
broken<00:52:28.960> people<00:52:29.119> that<00:52:29.440> find<00:52:29.680> a<00:52:29.920> sliver<00:52:30.640> of

broken people that find a sliver of

broken people that find a sliver of
normaly<00:52:31.280> in<00:52:31.520> their<00:52:31.760> chaos<00:52:32.720> but<00:52:33.040> just<00:52:33.280> maybe

normaly in their chaos but just maybe

normaly in their chaos but just maybe
with<00:52:34.079> some<00:52:34.319> therapy<00:52:34.720> and<00:52:34.960> fewer<00:52:35.359> knives.

with some therapy and fewer knives.

with some therapy and fewer knives.
Oh,<00:52:36.480> that's<00:52:36.720> good.<00:52:37.119> Thank<00:52:37.280> you.

Oh, that's good. Thank you.

Oh, that's good. Thank you.
I<00:52:37.680> like<00:52:37.839> that.

I like that.

I like that.
Yeah.<00:52:39.200> And<00:52:39.359> so<00:52:39.680> I<00:52:39.839> two<00:52:40.000> red<00:52:40.240> flags.<00:52:40.640> I<00:52:41.280> did

Yeah. And so I two red flags. I did

Yeah. And so I two red flags. I did
enjoy<00:52:41.839> it<00:52:43.040> a<00:52:43.280> lot<00:52:43.440> more<00:52:43.599> than<00:52:43.760> I<00:52:44.160> know.<00:52:44.319> I

enjoy it a lot more than I know. I

enjoy it a lot more than I know. I
expected<00:52:44.960> that<00:52:45.119> I<00:52:45.280> would.<00:52:45.520> I<00:52:45.680> can't<00:52:45.839> even<00:52:46.079> lie.

expected that I would. I can't even lie.

expected that I would. I can't even lie.
Yeah,<00:52:46.720> you<00:52:46.960> were<00:52:47.119> eating<00:52:47.440> this<00:52:47.680> up.<00:52:48.319> I'm

Yeah, you were eating this up. I'm

Yeah, you were eating this up. I'm
really<00:52:48.960> surprised<00:52:49.280> at<00:52:49.520> your<00:52:49.680> flag<00:52:49.920> rating.<00:52:50.880> I

really surprised at your flag rating. I

really surprised at your flag rating. I
I<00:52:52.079> the<00:52:52.400> relationship<00:52:52.880> was<00:52:53.119> not<00:52:53.280> healthy.<00:52:53.839> And

I the relationship was not healthy. And

I the relationship was not healthy. And
so<00:52:54.160> I<00:52:54.319> think<00:52:54.400> that's<00:52:54.559> what<00:52:54.720> I<00:52:54.960> like<00:52:55.760> based<00:52:56.079> it

so I think that's what I like based it

so I think that's what I like based it
off<00:52:56.480> of<00:52:57.119> of<00:52:57.359> like<00:52:57.760> I<00:52:58.000> think<00:52:58.079> they<00:52:58.319> could<00:52:58.480> really

off of of like I think they could really

off of of like I think they could really
both<00:52:59.040> benefit<00:52:59.440> from<00:52:59.760> individual<00:53:00.319> therapy<00:53:00.880> and

both benefit from individual therapy and

both benefit from individual therapy and
coup's<00:53:01.680> therapy.

coup's therapy.

coup's therapy.
Not<00:53:02.880> that<00:53:03.119> like

Not that like

Not that like
in<00:53:04.000> a<00:53:04.160> sense<00:53:04.319> if<00:53:04.480> like<00:53:04.640> you<00:53:04.800> go<00:53:04.880> to<00:53:05.040> couples

in a sense if like you go to couples

in a sense if like you go to couples
therapy<00:53:05.839> means<00:53:06.000> that<00:53:06.240> like<00:53:06.640> your

therapy means that like your

therapy means that like your
relationship's<00:53:07.599> horrible.<00:53:08.240> I<00:53:08.559> think<00:53:08.880> couples

relationship's horrible. I think couples

relationship's horrible. I think couples
therapy<00:53:09.520> is<00:53:09.680> in<00:53:09.839> a<00:53:09.920> sense<00:53:10.240> just<00:53:10.480> to<00:53:10.800> help

therapy is in a sense just to help

therapy is in a sense just to help
your<00:53:12.079> relationship<00:53:12.800> grow<00:53:13.599> in<00:53:13.839> a<00:53:14.079> direction

your relationship grow in a direction

your relationship grow in a direction
that's<00:53:14.640> beneficial<00:53:15.119> for<00:53:15.280> both<00:53:15.440> of<00:53:15.599> you.<00:53:15.839> And

that's beneficial for both of you. And

that's beneficial for both of you. And
so<00:53:16.160> I<00:53:16.319> think<00:53:16.400> they<00:53:16.640> could<00:53:16.800> benefit<00:53:17.200> from<00:53:17.440> that.

so I think they could benefit from that.

so I think they could benefit from that.
Okay.<00:53:18.880> Well,<00:53:20.079> thank<00:53:20.240> you<00:53:20.480> everyone<00:53:20.880> for

Okay. Well, thank you everyone for

Okay. Well, thank you everyone for
listening.<00:53:21.839> Um,<00:53:22.800> this<00:53:22.960> one<00:53:23.200> has<00:53:23.359> been<00:53:23.520> fun.<00:53:23.920> I'

listening. Um, this one has been fun. I'

listening. Um, this one has been fun. I'
I've<00:53:24.400> learned<00:53:24.640> so<00:53:24.880> much<00:53:25.359> about<00:53:26.800> dicks<00:53:28.240> and<00:53:28.319> I

I've learned so much about dicks and I

I've learned so much about dicks and I
didn't<00:53:28.720> know<00:53:28.880> I<00:53:29.119> needed<00:53:29.440> to<00:53:29.599> know.<00:53:30.720> Um,<00:53:31.119> but

didn't know I needed to know. Um, but

didn't know I needed to know. Um, but
more<00:53:31.599> importantly,<00:53:32.640> stay<00:53:32.880> reading.<00:53:33.440> Stay

more importantly, stay reading. Stay

more importantly, stay reading. Stay
reading.