Limitless: An AI Podcast

The courtroom showdown between Elon Musk and Sam Altman over OpenAI has begun, with stakes hitting $850 billion and potential damages of $134 billion. As Musk claims he was foundational to OpenAI’s success, Altman’s defense counters with narratives of Musk's bitterness following his exit. 

We uncover intriguing diary entries from co-founder Greg Brockman that cast doubt on OpenAI's nonprofit ideals.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 The Trial of the Decade
1:51 The Power Struggle
2:55 Testimonies Begin
5:56 The Smoking Gun
7:48 Compelling Arguments
13:51 The Stakes of the Trial
16:56 Peter Thiel's Perspective
19:35 The PR Implications
20:58 Closing Thoughts

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Host
Ejaaz Ahamadeen
Host
Josh Kale

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Josh:
Two people sat across from each other at a federal courtroom in Oakland yesterday.

Josh:
One is the most valuable person in the world.

Josh:
The other runs the most valuable startup in history. They built it together

Josh:
decades ago. Now one is trying to take it from the other.

Josh:
Those people involved Elon Musk and Sam Altman. And the numbers attached are pretty hard to believe.

Josh:
It's an $850 billion company, $134 billion in damages, and a potential $1 trillion

Josh:
IPO that might not go through in the case this trial goes in an unfavorable way for OpenAI.

Josh:
Whatever the verdict is, the rules of how AI gets built in America is about to change.

Josh:
And this is probably the trial of the decade.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, this is the culmination of a decade-long grudge between Sam Altman and Elon Musk.

Ejaaz:
And in order to talk about what happened yesterday and what's happening today

Ejaaz:
with the trial, I think it's important to set some context.

Ejaaz:
So we created this timeline of the experience, right? Thank you, Claude.

Ejaaz:
So we used a neutral party, by the way. No chat GPT, no XAI.

Ejaaz:
It's just Claude. Okay, so exactly 11 years ago.

Ejaaz:
Elon Musk and Sam Warmer got together and had this idea to create an AI startup

Ejaaz:
called OpenAI, specifically a non-profit foundation that would create AI,

Ejaaz:
superintelligence, and then use it for the benefit of humanity.

Ejaaz:
So the key point here is that they wouldn't request to turn a profit,

Ejaaz:
but it was only just over two years later in 2017 that there was a power struggle.

Ejaaz:
And the struggle was specifically over wanting to turn OpenAI into a for-profit.

Ejaaz:
Now, if you looked at the trial today, you would assume that was Sam Altman

Ejaaz:
calling for it, but it was actually Elon Musk himself.

Ejaaz:
He said he wanted to convert OpenAI into a for-profit and merge it into Tesla.

Ejaaz:
He thought he had the chops and power to be able to do that.

Ejaaz:
And the reason why he thought that was he had agreed to fund the entire endeavor

Ejaaz:
up to the tune of a billion dollars.

Ejaaz:
Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, who were key co-founders of OpenAI at the time,

Ejaaz:
rejected that proposal, but wanted to figure out another way to work with him.

Ejaaz:
But Musk couldn't get agreeance on both sides. And in 2018, he decided to leave.

Ejaaz:
But it was only a year later that Sam Altman and Greg Brockman thought, you know what?

Ejaaz:
We will turn this into a for-profit and we will own major stakes in this ourselves.

Ejaaz:
So obviously, Elon Musk was a bit salty about this,

Ejaaz:
but he didn't believe they had the chops to create a

Ejaaz:
winning ai startup but of course as we know the story goes three years later

Ejaaz:
chat gpt launches it goes completely viral and open ai becomes one of the most

Ejaaz:
valuable privately held startups in the entire world and of course at this point

Ejaaz:
they are shifting more towards a for-profit so elon musk looks at the success and he's like,

Ejaaz:
ha, I'm owed reparations from this. I co-founded OpenAI. He changes his tune.

Ejaaz:
Now he wants a piece of the pie. And what he's seeking in today's culmination

Ejaaz:
of a trial is exactly $134 billion. So he's not really asking for much.

Ejaaz:
And for the polite removal of Sam Altman and Greg Brockman from the board of

Ejaaz:
OpenAI. So that is the context that brought us here today.

Josh:
It's funny because now they're actually on the stand. So as of this week,

Josh:
people are on the stand there beginning testifying.

Josh:
Elon just went up yesterday for the opening remarks. Now, these are the softball

Josh:
questions that his own lawyer asked him.

Josh:
But on the stand, I mean, he had a pretty compelling case. He said he came up with the idea.

Josh:
He came up with the name. He recruited the key people. He taught them everything that he knew.

Josh:
And then he provided all of the initial funding. So he essentially did everything

Josh:
in the early stages of OpenAI, including the recruitment of the single most

Josh:
important person to OpenAI, a lot will argue, which is Ilya Sitzkever.

Josh:
Now, Ilya is the reason why Larry Page will no longer talk to Elon,

Josh:
because Larry Page deemed him as his best employee.

Josh:
Elon was able to convince him to come to OpenAI and to start something powerful with Greg and Sam.

Josh:
Now, he's also responsible for recruiting Microsoft Cloud and NVIDIA Compute.

Josh:
I mean, I remember listening to a conversation with Jensen where one of the

Josh:
first people to ever believe in these chips was Elon, who was buying them and

Josh:
recruiting NVIDIA's help on behalf of OpenAI, not Tesla, not SpaceX, for OpenAI.

Josh:
So it's clear that he did a lot and he wanted it to be known as he got started

Josh:
with the court briefing yesterday.

Ejaaz:
So let's now dive into what exactly happened yesterday.

Ejaaz:
This is a closed trial in the sense that it isn't public.

Ejaaz:
There's 15 reporters, probably totally 30 people in the room,

Ejaaz:
but the stars of the show are in the courtroom themselves.

Ejaaz:
Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and Elon Musk.

Ejaaz:
And for the first day, Elon Musk decides to put his first witness up to the stand.

Ejaaz:
And that's himself, of course, Elon Musk, who is testifying for himself on behalf of his case.

Ejaaz:
And the side that Elon Musk and his lawyer is basically making is,

Ejaaz:
and this is a direct quote, ladies and gentlemen, we are here today because

Ejaaz:
the defendants in this case, OpenAI, stole a charity.

Ejaaz:
And they go on to make the point that Elon Musk is an immigrant into the US.

Ejaaz:
He worked hard. He busked tables.

Ejaaz:
And he put in his own hard-earned money up to the tune of $44 million,

Ejaaz:
so not that $1 billion that I mentioned earlier into OpenAI to make it its success that it is today.

Ejaaz:
And therefore, he is owed some form of payment.

Ejaaz:
Now, he's asking for a large chunk, $134 billion, but that money doesn't actually go to Elon Musk.

Ejaaz:
He's going to send that to a non-profit as was originally attended in OpenAI.

Ejaaz:
But the main point here is it's a philosophical and brand-related dunk on his

Ejaaz:
biggest competitor versus XAI, for example.

Ejaaz:
Now, OpenAI's lawyer himself says, we are here because Mr. Musk didn't get his way at OpenAI.

Ejaaz:
That's what happened. He quit saying that they would fail for sure.

Ejaaz:
But my clients had the nerve to go on and succeed without him.

Ejaaz:
So the point that OpenAI is making is basically Elon Musk had his opportunity.

Ejaaz:
He actually wanted to take it for profit as well.

Ejaaz:
But just because we did it ourselves and became successful after he left.

Ejaaz:
He's now coming back for undue payments, which is also a very valuable argument on their side.

Ejaaz:
So that's currently two settings of the argument.

Ejaaz:
The tension was pretty palpable.

Ejaaz:
Sam Altman, apparently, according to reports, sat there the entire time with his arms crossed.

Ejaaz:
He didn't stay for Elon Musk's specific testament.

Ejaaz:
Instead, leaving behind a recorded video of him making excuses saying,

Ejaaz:
I've got to go work and do A, B, and C.

Ejaaz:
But the president of OpenAI, Greg Brockman, did stay for the entire thing and hear Elon Musk out.

Ejaaz:
The spiciest news is probably going to come later today when Elon Musk himself

Ejaaz:
is going to get grilled by OpenAI's lawyer.

Josh:
Yeah, it's a shame that this isn't being televised or that's not recorded.

Josh:
You have to read these accounts of people who are actually there in order to

Josh:
kind of get a peek into what's going on.

Josh:
But before we get into that peek of what happened, maybe we talk about the smoking

Josh:
gun, which is the piece of evidence that actually turned this lawsuit into a trial.

Josh:
And that's Greg Brockman's diary entry, which I thought was really funny.

Josh:
So Greg Bachman, president and co-founder of OpenAI.

Josh:
And in November of 2017, when he was publicly and privately telling Elon that

Josh:
the team remained enthusiastic about the nonprofit structure,

Josh:
he was writing in his personal journal something totally different.

Josh:
And we actually have the personal journal diary entries.

Josh:
In November 6th, 2017, it says, cannot say that we are committed to the nonprofit.

Josh:
Don't want to say that we're committed. If three months later,

Josh:
we're doing B Corp, then it was a lie. So he's kind of confessing to the idea

Josh:
that he's aware that it is a lie.

Josh:
And then a few days later, under the heading called Our Plan,

Josh:
Greg Brockman wrote, it would be nice to be making billions of dollars,

Josh:
but we can't see us turning into a for-profit without a very nasty fight. And then there's more.

Josh:
This is the only chance we have to get out from Elon. What will it take me to do this? $1 billion?

Josh:
So there's this lot of contemplation that's happening in his redacted diary

Josh:
entries that we see here that leads the court to believe that they were aware of what was going on.

Josh:
They were trying to scheme and plot against Elon.

Josh:
And no side is right in this court case. And I think that's why

Josh:
It's so compelling is because both sides really do have compelling arguments, right?

Josh:
It's like Elon says, this is a corrupt structure that sets a poor precedent

Josh:
for what a charitable organization looks like.

Josh:
And OpenAI is saying, well, we basically couldn't exist unless we pivoted.

Josh:
We did everything we could.

Josh:
And now we have this new company that exists. That's kind of been a disaster

Josh:
and a mess, but it works. It gets the job done.

Josh:
It's been a chaotic disaster. So I think Polymarket currently has it at about

Josh:
60% chance in Elon's favor, but this is very much an even battle as it stands

Josh:
right now in who we expect to win.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, there is no clear winner, as you said. And that's because both sides are

Ejaaz:
kind of shooting themselves in the foot, right?

Ejaaz:
Like there's three main cracks that I see, right? Okay, so crack number one

Ejaaz:
is what you just mentioned.

Ejaaz:
So Greg Brockman's diary, there's some implicative evidence that states that

Ejaaz:
they're trying to go behind Elon's back to not only turn it into a for-profit

Ejaaz:
against the original vision of the company, but also turn a profit for Sam Olman

Ejaaz:
and Greg Rockman themselves,

Ejaaz:
whilst ousting Elon Musk, the guy that funded them.

Ejaaz:
That sounds very convincing enough, except there is an email and tweet from

Ejaaz:
Elon Musk three years later, where he basically admits to him saying.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, I wanted to turn it into a for-profit first.

Ejaaz:
And the idea was to put it under Tesla's ownership, therefore defeating the

Ejaaz:
whole intentional purpose that he was aligned with this non-profit vision.

Ejaaz:
So that's crack number one. Crack number two is the Statue of Limitations tweet,

Ejaaz:
where he basically goes, OpenAI is essentially captured by Microsoft, right?

Ejaaz:
So the legal significance of this is this was tweeted in 2020.

Ejaaz:
And it wasn't until four years later that Elon filed this lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI,

Ejaaz:
which suggests that there was a time delta where he had a reason to sue them

Ejaaz:
early on because they were going very much for a for profit,

Ejaaz:
hence Microsoft investing $13 billion in them.

Ejaaz:
But decided to wait until three years later when OpenAI was much,

Ejaaz:
much, much more successful, profitable, and the number one leading AI startup

Ejaaz:
to then be like, hmm, I'm going to seek reparations now.

Ejaaz:
It kind of defeats his whole argument. And crack number three is the 2017 Tesla

Ejaaz:
merger email that I mentioned earlier that he tweeted about in 2021,

Ejaaz:
but also the email came out in evidence through this court proceedings in 2017.

Ejaaz:
Proving that he wanted to merge it within Tesla, indicating the same kind of

Ejaaz:
for-profit nature That's Sam Altman and Greg Rockman they're going after.

Ejaaz:
So Elon Musk is kind of fighting himself here, especially as he takes the stand

Ejaaz:
and starts providing all these different bits of evidence, which can just be

Ejaaz:
refuted by emails and posts that he made himself.

Josh:
Well, it was funny. I mean, the judge threatened a gag order yesterday because

Josh:
he had to sit both of them down and say, you guys cannot be insulting each other

Josh:
publicly while this court is going on.

Josh:
And it's really funny because they can't help themselves.

Josh:
Like the arena in which they play in is where they troll each other.

Josh:
And the judge made it very clear that unless you guys stop bullying each other,

Josh:
Elon calling Sam Scam Altman and things of that nature, I'm going to forcibly make you stop tweeting.

Ejaaz:
So please stop. It's such a good name though. Oh, that's so good.

Josh:
Scam Altman is pretty good. But we have some updates from inside the court.

Josh:
I mean, unfortunately, again, there's no cameras, but there are a few reporters that were in there.

Josh:
They were kind of live posting as we were going throughout the course of the

Josh:
day. A few highlights from Elon being on the stand.

Josh:
He did say, and I quote, AI could kill us.

Josh:
Looting a charity will destroy charitable giving along with some other pretty strong wording.

Josh:
No one should be allowed to steal a charity. And it's, it makes sense.

Josh:
I think we're really in for fireworks because we got the witness list also.

Josh:
And the witness list is pretty good. So we have Elon and Sam,

Josh:
of course. We have Greg Brockman. And then we have Satya Nadella.

Josh:
Because for those that don't know, Satya Nadella is CEO of Microsoft.

Josh:
And Microsoft is involved in this.

Josh:
Microsoft CTO sent an email to Satya saying something to the likes that they

Josh:
are aware of OpenAI and Elon's private holdings not being happy about the changes that were happening.

Josh:
And that singular email got him dragged into this court case.

Josh:
So we're going to be seeing Satya Nadella. we are going to be seeing ilia setzkever

Josh:
ilia as everyone knows he is the founder of

Josh:
safe super intelligence now he is also one of the co-founders of open

Josh:
ai and the person who elon most fought

Josh:
over to join mira marati is listed here she is the co-founder of thinking machines

Josh:
and she is another co-founder from open ai and then we have siobhan zilis who

Josh:
is a funny one siobhan i think has four children with elon currently works at

Josh:
neural link but she was on I believe some sort of board of directors for open AI.

Josh:
And I assume there's some conflict of interest there. So it is a all-star cast.

Josh:
We will be hearing all of these as we go.

Josh:
It's going to be really exciting as we go along this court case to see how these things unfold.

Ejaaz:
I think the precedent that Elon is fighting for is interesting.

Ejaaz:
We were talking about this before we started recording, which is,

Ejaaz:
is this trial as major as it's being made out to be?

Ejaaz:
And the point is, this doesn't or won't have any recurring effect on AI as an

Ejaaz:
industry, but it will affect the philanthropic nature of America as a whole,

Ejaaz:
which is the argument that Elon is making.

Ejaaz:
He's saying, basically, if you allow companies to go from a non-profit into

Ejaaz:
a for-profit and then become the most valuable private startup in the entire

Ejaaz:
world, valued currently, the secondaries of OpenAI shares are trading for over a trillion dollars,

Ejaaz:
then you're kind of cheating the system because there are various tax benefits.

Ejaaz:
Sam Altman technically doesn't own any of OpenAI, but he is getting access via

Ejaaz:
side venture funds, which he set up earlier on, which he completely owns,

Ejaaz:
but doesn't really admit or speak to.

Ejaaz:
So there's a lot of evasion going on here.

Ejaaz:
Elon's making the point that if you allow this to happen, then it's the end

Ejaaz:
of philanthropy in America.

Ejaaz:
But to me, it also sounds like it's an ego-driven thing, right?

Ejaaz:
He doesn't like the fact that he started the company that is now way ahead of

Ejaaz:
XAI and is arguably the number one AI lab in the entire world.

Ejaaz:
And he wants some kind of benefit from that for his ego.

Ejaaz:
So I don't really know whether Elon and Sam should be fighting over this.

Ejaaz:
I think once this is done, it should just be settled. open air was always meant to be a full profit.

Ejaaz:
And I think if there wasn't such a rivalry between these two key figures,

Ejaaz:
this wouldn't even be a new story in itself.

Josh:
Yeah, that's probably right. I think because of the rivalry,

Josh:
this becomes a new story.

Josh:
And the smoking gun that Elon is using is these diary entries and the fact that it's a poor precedent.

Josh:
I don't think people will be rushing to emulate this precedent of how to set

Josh:
up a company just because of how much pain and suffering it's caused OpenAI.

Josh:
I mean, if you remember, Sam Allman got ousted temporarily. There was a lot

Josh:
of contention around his pay packages and how he gets actual equity.

Josh:
He famously claimed that he has a 0% equity stake in OpenAI.

Josh:
It seems like it's only caused them headaches and nightmares.

Josh:
And had they choose to do it again, or if any other company were to try to do

Josh:
this, they certainly would not take this route.

Josh:
But maybe we could talk about what Elon actually stands to win if he does get

Josh:
the win or what happens if he wins versus what happens if Sam wins.

Josh:
So in the worst case scenario, it's kind of, I guess in the worst case scenario

Josh:
for OpenAI, it's pretty bleak.

Josh:
Elon is looking for $134 billion, which is quite a bit.

Josh:
He would also want the conversion to be unwound. So OpenAI would turn into a nonprofit again.

Josh:
Sam Altman and Greg Brockman both would be out. The IPO that is rumored to happen

Josh:
later this year, early next year, that's off the table.

Josh:
That's not coming until at least 2028 or later. If it does, Microsoft's $13

Josh:
billion in equity is in play.

Josh:
That can mess up Microsoft and it could cause a lot of really messed up downstream

Josh:
effects that might actually stand to benefit xai spacex that whole spacex xai

Josh:
meta conglomerate thing because now one of their largest competitors is kind

Josh:
of out of the game it would be

Josh:
really detrimental to the state of ai as it relates to open ai so that's kind

Josh:
of a the bleak outlook the reality is we're not going to get that worst case

Josh:
scenario it's going to be something

Josh:
much better if he does win um but there is a lot at stake here on

Ejaaz:
On the minute chance of that happens, it's not just the end of AI,

Ejaaz:
it's the end of the entire economy of stock market that is propped up by the leading AI lab, OpenAI.

Ejaaz:
And that kind of like blew, if you want to call it a bubble,

Ejaaz:
this bubble up in the first place.

Ejaaz:
When I look at this, right, the biggest smoking gun,

Ejaaz:
for Elon, at least, is that there is no smoking gun.

Ejaaz:
His argument is kind of like, okay, you have a few good points,

Ejaaz:
but there isn't like a zinger that shuts Sam Altman down.

Ejaaz:
And therefore, the probability of all of this being unwound is minute.

Ejaaz:
Elon Musk might at best get the minimum amount of money that he put into open

Ejaaz:
air at the start, which was $44 million.

Ejaaz:
He promised up to a billion dollars, but only ended up investing $44 million.

Ejaaz:
But he was lauding that as a reason why OpenAI should pay him $134 billion.

Ejaaz:
And obviously there's a major equity stake differential between that.

Ejaaz:
So I think Elon Musk probably won't come out winning from this,

Ejaaz:
but we'll see from the trials proceeding today and over the next couple of weeks.

Ejaaz:
And we will keep you up to date on that.

Ejaaz:
You had a fun example that you wanted to share, Josh, which was this clip from

Ejaaz:
Peter Thiel commenting on the entire thing, where he basically makes the point

Ejaaz:
that whichever person I talked to last, I find the most convincing.

Ejaaz:
Can you unpack this for us?

Josh:
Yeah, he said it so well where, I mean, he's personally friends with Elon and

Josh:
Sam Alman, or at least in communications with them.

Josh:
And he was describing what it's like to talk to them about this court case.

Josh:
And when he speaks to Elon, it becomes very clear, Elon's case,

Josh:
and it makes a lot of sense where if a company is able to start as a nonprofit

Josh:
and then roll all of that into a for-profit entity, it breaks what a charitable model looks like.

Josh:
And it kind of destroys and crumbles the charitable infrastructure that we have in America.

Josh:
And then he was describing leaving that

Josh:
and feeling like okay yeah this is a pretty sound argument this makes sense and then

Josh:
going over to sam altman having a conversation with him and

Josh:
sam saying well there's actually no way we ever could have made this work

Josh:
if we stayed a non-profit we had no choice but

Josh:
to switch over to a for-profit and we did everything in our power to make it

Josh:
as i guess egalitarian as possible both of those are pretty compelling arguments

Josh:
and i think that's why everyone's kind of split on where this is going to end

Josh:
up and why you're kind of left supporting whoever you last spoke to because

Josh:
both arguments are incredibly strong and both of these things really do matter

Josh:
right like we want open act to exist

Josh:
And had they never pivoted, they wouldn't have existed. And that's probably

Josh:
a worse off future. But we also don't want them to be able to take advantage

Josh:
and create a precedence for a loophole that now a lot of other AI companies

Josh:
could possibly come in and do.

Josh:
So I just found to be a really interesting take from someone whose ideas I kind

Josh:
of trust and respect in Peter Thiel.

Josh:
And just to the point that no one really knows. And I think the judge has a

Josh:
really tough case cut out for him.

Ejaaz:
This is kind of an amazing PR campaign for Sam Ullman and OpenAI, right?

Ejaaz:
Like, I think Sam himself has been branded as this kind of like evil villainous

Ejaaz:
character for a long, long time now.

Ejaaz:
And that has been boosted by Elon Musk in large part.

Ejaaz:
And to have a court proceeding come out and basically say, hey,

Ejaaz:
Elon basically asked for the same thing back in 2017, kind of like portray Sam

Ejaaz:
as like a better faith actor. So it's really good PR for him.

Ejaaz:
The other thing I was thinking about is the strongest argument that OpenAI has,

Ejaaz:
for becoming or having become a for-profit was made by Elon Musk himself,

Ejaaz:
the guy that is fighting against it.

Ejaaz:
So like he would have to effectively, I don't know, sue himself if he wants

Ejaaz:
to make the exact argument. This is why I think this entire thing is ridiculous.

Ejaaz:
So I just think this is a hot mess. I think the brothers need to stop fighting

Ejaaz:
and band together and just get on with this.

Ejaaz:
This is a positive sum game. You see kind of like a similar rivalry between

Ejaaz:
OpenAI and Anthropic in the fact that they're each putting out models that are

Ejaaz:
leapfrogging each other every couple of weeks now at this point.

Ejaaz:
I think Elon Musk just needs to put this down, put the money and his focus on

Ejaaz:
XAI and put out a better Grok model because I want Grok to get back into the race at this point.

Josh:
Yeah, me too. I hope it's not too distracting, but I do love the fact that we

Josh:
will have entertainment guaranteed.

Josh:
And I guess we could also entertain what happens if Sam Altman wins in the best

Josh:
case scenario for OpenAI, which is, I mean, that IPO is a certainty and that

Josh:
IPO is going to be at over a trillion dollars, right?

Josh:
You were just telling me before recording that OpenAI has kind of postponed

Josh:
their current fundraising round to increase the valuation prior to raising more money.

Josh:
So the company is growing incredibly quickly. There will be nothing that slows them down.

Josh:
Microsoft is going to be locked in with no legal overhead or ramifications.

Josh:
Altman is going to maintain his role as CEO of OpenAI and XAI is going to just

Josh:
kind of continue to compete and like try to catch up.

Josh:
But it seems like there's a lot more downside for Sam than there is upside.

Josh:
And there is a lot more upside for Elon than there is downside.

Josh:
So it's a little unbalanced when it comes to the outcomes here.

Ejaaz:
Yeah, totally. But that is everything that is happening over this multi-week

Ejaaz:
culmination of this trial.

Ejaaz:
Remember, this is like pretty much at this point a decade's worth in the making of this rivalry.

Ejaaz:
So it'll be good to finally tie a bow on this. We'll be covering all the exciting

Ejaaz:
news that comes out of this.

Ejaaz:
Again, there is a current Elon taking the witness as we speak, as you listen to this.

Ejaaz:
Actually, it probably would have already happened where OpenAI's lawyer is basically

Ejaaz:
grilling him on his entire argument.

Ejaaz:
And there's going to be some spicy tastes that come out from that.

Ejaaz:
But rest assured, we will be the first podcast to cover it in great detail and give our own insight.

Josh:
EJ has an important question. Yes.

Ejaaz:
Who you got?

Josh:
Who's winning this?

Ejaaz:
I am the biggest Elon fan, but Sam's got this.

Ejaaz:
Sam's going to win this. Yeah. At minimum, I think Elon's going to get his $44

Ejaaz:
million that he originally invested in OpenAI back with zero interest.

Ejaaz:
But Sam's got this. It's a win for him.

Josh:
That seems right. I can't imagine anything close to the worst case scenario for open AI happening.

Josh:
I assume it's probably, the entire thing probably fizzles out into a whole nothing

Josh:
burger where there's just like not much that changes and Elon just like gets

Josh:
his day in the spotlight. But I don't know. We'll be following it closely.

Josh:
We will keep you posted as this trial goes along. But now you're up to date on all things.

Josh:
If you are looking for current up-to-date status, you might want to tune in

Josh:
today because it's going to get a little spicy.

Josh:
But yeah, thank you guys so much for watching as always and we will see you

Josh:
guys in the next episode.

Ejaaz:
See you guys.