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Manhood often feels like navigating through uncharted territory, but you don't have to walk alone. Join us as we guide a conversation about how to live intentionally so that we can join God in reclaiming the masculine restorative presence he designed us to live out. Laugh, cry, and wonder with us as we explore the ins and outs of manhood together.
Jesse French
Hey guys, welcome to the sort of man podcast. My name is Jesse French and people I'm back with our good friend, Jeff Zaugg. This is part two of a sweet conversation with Jeff. If you missed part one, please like land this one and go listen to part one because it was such an encouraging chat with our good friend, Jeff. Jeff, thanks for coming back and continuing to explore fatherhood, chat about that awesome RP, all of the things, man. Thank you.
Jeff Zaugg
Round two, I'm honored to be back. We had so much fun round one that I'm like, I kind of wanted to stay there. We're having so much fun. So we'll see if we can do any better.
Jesse French
We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Well, Jeff, as we said in part one, for those of you maybe haven't listened to that, Jeff, you are the founder of an organization called DadAwesome. And so give us a little snippet there and then tee up to us. Part of the excitement around this chat is to talk about your book that is being released and that I think just has some wonderful, wonderful invitations to us as dads to engage our kids with such thoughtfulness and intention. So kind of tee that up and then we'll...
Jeff Zaugg
ball rolling.
And I'll tee it up in a through the side door through the side door. we have three for our girls. I have four daughters and we have three things. This is what Zogs do. This is who Zogs are. It's just three simple things and you can feel free to rip these off. We probably ripped them off from somebody else, but I am loved. I'm a learner. I'm a leader. Okay. Three else. I'm loved. We talked about last week identity. I'm a learner is a posture of humility, a posture of
potential a posture of teachability, of curiosity. this is, DadAwesome is simply living out the second L, okay? I'm a learner, that's it. DadAwesome, I have so many reasons to not lead a fatherhood organization. Like so many, so many reasons of like, no, because of this, this and this that I've done wrong or don't know yet, or I've never raised a son or never raised a teenager, like who am I? But I have chosen to be a learner. And I want to just celebrate the men
listening, watching right now, you've chosen to be a learner. And as a dad of, I had a four year old and a two year old as a young father, when DadAwesome started, I'd never listened to a podcast on fatherhood. I'd never read a book. I'd never been to a conference. I'd never been to any coaching. No inputs, no intentional inputs around fatherhood. the fact that you're like a part of Restoration Project, the fact that you're listening today, I'm like so thrilled because you've chosen to be a learner, a learner. It matters and God's honored by saying,
I'm curious, I want to learn, I don't wanna settle, I wanna be a pioneer, I wanna go to new places. So the third one is I'm a leader and it's just, this to me is the greatest accountability loop because I lead DadAwesome and my four daughters who know that I lead an organization called DadAwesome. I have an immediate accountability loop to stay humble.
keep soft and to go back and turn my heart back to them and not drift to what's easy and comfortable or selfish. Like I've created the best accountability loop because of leading an organization and I'm raising leaders. I'm raising young girls who are stepping into being, they affect the rooms they walk into. They carry leadership. They don't wait for someone else to take the, they lead. so, so those, reason I come in with those three things is that's the heart of that awesome. We dream about
a movement of dads who turn their hearts towards their kids, who are humble, who are experiencing the love of our Father in heaven, our identity, and are bringing that love to their kids imperfectly. They're stumbling as they bring that love to their kids. that's our mission, our dream.
Jesse French
That's great language and I love that those are the tenants, right? Because what are not those two things is like, hey, we want to be an org that dads have all the right knowledge and they get it.
Jeff Zaugg
The blueprint. Yeah.
Jesse French
I like this fact of, these are the postures that we want to pursue. We're going to do this imperfectly. But the fact that humility and learning is part of the bedrock. To me, that just feels like, that's good news. Like that's something I want to be part of because, and it is, it does feel like two steps forward, one step back, three steps back. Like that is the reality of being a
Jeff Zaugg
And what we're doing today of having an intentional conversation about fatherhood, right? Two buddies who know each other, but it's been a year plus since we connected last. Anyone can do this, with or without a podcast. Anyone can ask for a meeting around someone who in some way, subject matter, fatherhood, leadership, finances, fitness, marriage, pick a domain, hiking, camping, hunting, pick a domain and just be a learner.
and ask someone for some of their time and grab a good cup of coffee or some other beverage together. And so I just think adding a habit of I'm going to learn something this month from someone it honors them. They feel like, you want to learn from me? So this habit, this habit is so it multiplies forward because the more a dad does this, they raise kids who are curious and go after wisdom and aren't hesitant and aren't well, I don't know enough. Like who am I to ask them for 45 minutes of their time? Yeah, just go after it.
Jesse French
Yeah, I'm going to butcher it, but Thomas Merton has such a great quote that the gist of is like, Hey, let us accept the fact that we're going to be beginners our whole life. So, so yeah, so, so, so good. I have one story as you're talking about this and like learning and just that humble posture. I quickly thought of, my son is nine and he played flag football this past year, loves the ball. And this is like his first season playing. And so we're getting ready to go to the game and
You know, I'm like, have kind of a dad hat on of just trying to, you know, like be encouraging, you know, buddy, just go play hard, have fun, the whole thing. And that's sort of where my brain is at. And I get home and this is the day before the game. And my wife comes up to me and is like, Hey, cause she went and got cleats for him, went to the like, you sporting goods store, got a pair of cleats and full confession. We get home and my son looks at my wife and says, mom,
How do I tie these? And like, it was the total like, oh shoot, he's just worn Crocs or Barefoot or like the GoPro deals or whatever. And then it was the crisis of like, oh crap, you know, you gotta learn how to your shoes because your cleats are gonna come undone during the game. And just the like, oh shoot, which is like a funny space of cleats and nine year old, but it is like the.
Jeff Zaugg
It is these I missed it as a dad earlier. feel those all the time. These moments of I've missed something that should have been four years earlier. I do that all the time.
Jesse French
Gosh. So again, like we did this last conversation. Hopefully that is a, as again, a leveling of the playing field of like, we have the desire to be intentional dads and we're going to botch it and we still want to have the posture to learn. so, yeah, thanks for that invitation. For sure. Jeff, in your book, you talk about six discoveries along the fatherhood journey. And even that language to me feels connected to this posture of learning of like, Hey, these are processes.
And we're going to dive into one of those in just a second, but I'd love to just hear your thoughts of why you framed it that way. sort of, cause again, they're not, Hey, these are six memos that your doctrines you need to memorize. But why did you choose that language of, of discoveries?
Jeff Zaugg
So my grandpa, when I was in junior high, gave some savings bonds to each of us grandkids. So he was very thoughtful, intentional, a saver, lived really modestly, gave some savings bonds for the purpose of college education. And I used them the way he asked me to use them. I used the savings bonds, they matured. They paid for almost three quarters of my college education in 2001, I think I cashed them in. It's about $60,000 of generosity towards college. How grateful.
Now I had the opportunity to take on very low interest student loans. I could have taken on student loans and used this gift from my grandpa for an investment. had that. I could have done this, but I didn't. I could have invested in Apple in the year 2001 and I ran the numbers just a few weeks ago. no. So it's $40 million. 60,000 turns to 40 million from 2001 to 2026. So now
Jesse French
No, you shouldn't have done this.
Jeff Zaugg
I call that the sports almanac from Marty McFly and the DeLorean from Back to the Future. It's a sports almanac. And if I knew that information, I would have done that. Now I have from over 400 podcast conversations, I have the sports almanac for men and for fathers. I know from all these interviews, every dad in their seventies, he's a grandpa now, right? In their seventies, in their sixties would say, if you could go back and live in my thirties or my young forties,
and I could go back and calibrate some things. None of them would say, go invest in Apple. None of them, because money means nothing. Money means nothing in that regard compared to the hearts of our kids. So these core discoveries have, there's six of them, they've been refined through, I've coached 11 of our accelerator coaching cohorts, I've taken them through these six discoveries, and I've seen that God speaks to us as we kind of give a flyover and we discuss, we do homework around each of these discoveries.
It's wild how they all play together. We never arrive in any of the six, we never arrive. But without, if you take one of these away, it is wild how ineffective you'll be in the other five. So we need to attend to these six core. Have I walked through with the six R? Can I get into the real brief? The real brief are, the first one is story. It's perspective. It's the current chapter of your story is not the whole story. We anchor back to our grandparents and look what God's done way back before us.
Jesse French
Yeah.
Jeff Zaugg
Where has he been faithful in our own story? Where are we dreaming about and what's his calling for us to look multi-generationally when it comes to our time? So story, the panning out, zooming out. The second one is identity. The whole last episode, part one of this conversation with Jesse, identity. Be a loved son of God before you try to show up as a loving father to your kids. The third one is that intentionality. And if you could go in so many directions of be intentional here and here, these are all dials. It's like I'm in the pilot with all the dials. We could do that.
But the first and main thing with intentionality is hear the voice of God. Understand what he's nudging you towards. If you can get ahold of God's guidance, then it changes, it multiplies into all the other areas of intentionality. But we do say curiosity and watchfulness are the two big anchors of intentionality. Be curious, be watchful. Then freedom is the fourth one. It's the hand grenade. We can hand a grenade and the shrapnel will bring devastating results to our kids if we don't experience wholeness, healing, freedom.
walking in the light versus hiding things and having secrets. So freedom ties with things that have been done to us and decisions we're making that could cause great harm. But the God wants us to walk in amazing healing and freedom and forgiveness. Wonder is the second to last one. Item five, discovery five is wonder. And it's the delight and treasure of I get to be a dad. It's a gift. And I see this as a treasured role versus a grind.
And we'll talk a little more about wonder and leadership is the last one. Leadership is the multiplier and it's God's heart for dads to see themselves as leaders and to step in. use the rope bridge of you can go to the edge of this cliff and climb it all day long for decades. People go to cliffs, they climb down, they climb up and they move on. The leader spots the anchor points and says, I could put a rope bridge across this chasm. And leaders, when dads start building rope bridges in various ways through their time, their talent,
through their building. Like when we approach life as a builder, we actually create through leadership, through courage, things that bless our great, great, great grandkids and ripple into dads all around us. So leadership, leadership is massive. We don't think about the compounded effect of a dad seeing themselves as a leader and it's a gift to our kids.
Jesse French
Jeff, those are so great. And I love those because you talked about, look, that these are not six silos. Like these are interconnected cogs that actually impact each other. And again, I think part of the reason that we love that awesome is this shared ethos. And we have some different names or monikers for some of those things. But as you're talking about those, I'm like, man, this is, this is a really good description of how we would talk about the restorative journey of becoming a restorative man, right? Who brings.
life in the partnering with God and restorative work is he's willing to engage these six things that you're talking about. Right. And so, so grateful. And I hope guys also, as they hear that they hear, Hey, this is not Jeff, just like, Hey, here's the six part formula of a plus B will, you know, equal C, but it is, we do want to give some definition and give some clarity to there are specific spaces around this that does, think help in removing some of the murkiness or some of the like, man, I want to be a good dad, but
It feels like, you know, it's where do I even start? And so I hear that that invitation, it's part of the language of discoveries that to me, it feels hopeful and encouraging.
Jeff Zaugg
dads. And our prayer is to stop seeing hundreds of thousands of dads with intent. Dads with intent, both on our becoming, our restoration, our wholeness, our healing journey. Intent does nothing. It doesn't glorify the Lord. Intent. And intent is a father.
does nothing to bless your kids and grandkids, and it does nothing to affect the future of your family. Intent. So easy to have all this intent. But we activation in that so every chapter ends with a couple, two, three ideas for activation. Let's just try stuff. We run experiments, even an experiment.
in this area of wholeness and healing and freedom, an experiment in the area of sonship and identity, an experiment to help with your story and understanding the bigger story. An experiment actually glorifies God and it affects change and blessing to your family. Just run some experiments, pressure's off, run some experiments. So let's not be dads, let's not be men with intent because it's somehow our brain triggers that we did something with just intent and it doesn't, we didn't. ⁓
Jesse French
Right. It needs to translate into the actual experimental, the lived in. Absolutely. Jeff, I'd love to explore one of those discoveries. And you just talked about it is that space of wonder and delight. And again, we could have six conversations on each one of those. There's so much there to unpack, but I'd love to just spend a little time exploring it. And I kind of want to tee it up this way. I want to just read a brief excerpt from the book. Cause I think you give some really good language to this invitation.
Jeff Zaugg
That's it.
Jesse French
You say that we've been set up to fail at this. For generations, our fathers showed us and our culture told us the same story. That fatherhood is about provision and protection. Work hard, keep them safe, put food on the table, check the boxes. But somewhere along the way, we lost presence. We lost the light. We traded wonder for duty and our kids are paying the price. Our phones steal the attention our children deserve, our jobs drain the energy.
Our families desperately need. The fight for wonder requires something from us, but nothing else we do as fathers matters more. Wonder isn't some luxury for dads with well-behaved kids and flexible schedules. It's the essential fuel that powers real fatherhood. Without it, we become emotionally distant managers instead of engaged fathers. And our kids, they experience the difference in thousands of tiny ways.
Do we tolerate them or do we treasure them?
man, like I read those words and just underline them and I'm like, man, there's so much in those couple, three paragraphs. And I'd love to just maybe start kind of towards the beginning of that. Cause I think you frame it really, really well that it is so easy as fathers to view it maybe through more of the historical lens broad brush here, but through the protection, the provision space of that's what I need to do to check those boxes. And when we do that, you invite us really well, like wonder and delight.
is so missed. So I'd love to just hear kind of talk a little bit about that bind, about that reality that I think that we find ourselves as dads.
Jeff Zaugg
Yeah, back to those three L's. I'm loved, I'm a learner, I'm a leader. If we put all this learning and curiosity into this bucket of provision, protection, and like we can give our all to this like area domain that shows short-term results. The short-term results are, you know, maybe a bigger house, maybe an extra vacation, maybe a better car. Like the short-term results, the world celebrates. It feels good short-term. We're often tending the garden of our families. Short-term.
that they don't even pop up out of the ground. looks like a bunch of mud and dirt. It smells like fertilizer. The short term, and that's where we need friends. We need other friends, brotherhood. We say DA+3 three, who's your plus three? Just three other dads that can share maybe a couple little short term wins because I don't have any wins this week on the fatherhood front, right? The difference of a dad who tells their kids,
I love that I get to be your dad. Like that gift to your child of they know and you dads, could text your older kids that have phones. You can text them this right now. You can hit pause, but them knowing the delight of their father. That's wonder. Like I, as a father, delight in my little girls. Now the conditions of that delight last night at bedtime were full of frustration, angst, stress.
Like I was not happy with the conditions that surrounded, but can I deliver into their little hearts a statement of truth, of delight, of I love that I get to be your dad. It's a treasured It's not my favorite role. Being a husband to your mom is my favorite role. But I delight in this role. God, when he created the universe, you know, day one, day two, day three, at the end of each day, he said, tov, tov. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong because I'm not a,
But in Hebrew, tov is this amazement. He's amazed at what he created. And the last day, tov me'od, me'od, is he actually packed into that a multiplying nature. So God has put into us and all of creation a multiplying wonder that is expressed, it glorifies God when we multiply his wonder. So as a dad, every day we have this domain that we...
We get to, in our families, in our households, we get to spark wonder through curiosity and fascination and treasuring and our eyes, like the shiny eyes, you brought up the phone with that quote, it's like shiny eyes from a screen, a manufactured device versus the shiny eyes of, you know, just had a heart connection with one of your kids and they were vulnerable or you were vulnerable and there's that shiny eyes of like connection.
Like that shiny eyes is a moment to multiply the wonder of our creator into there. And those wonder, the more we can bring wonder, because it's choked out with every year we live, it's choked out. Every adult moves away from wonder statistically. There's science experiment. There's a major studies. Wonder is gone for kids at a young age. It's gone. Social media chokes it out even faster. Screens choke it out. Video games choke it out. Wonder is gone. If we can re-infuse wonder with our delight,
with our presence, with our laughter, with our dancing. And I actually couldn't laugh, dance, cry, sing. These are core things that many men don't feel comfortable doing. Until I had last episode, we talked about that truth of my heavenly father setting the scoreboard to infinity. I actually would show up in rooms and try to like gauge, where do I fall in this pecking order of the people in this room? What will people think of me if I jump on the ground as a six foot seven tall lanky dude?
and start doing the worm. What will people think? I wouldn't do that. I would never do the worm in that room because what if they judge me? What if I crack my knee because I'm a little older than I was last time I did the worm? And what if I humiliate?
Jesse French
Hypothetically, hypothetically, all, yeah.
Jeff Zaugg
This is all real. My daughters benefit in huge ways from a dad who sings, laughs, cries, dances, and isn't worried about what the room thinks of them. They get the gift of wonder and delight and treasure. And so the more we can bring wonder in imperfect ways with our words, with our eyes, with our action, with our presence, and stop grinding through fatherhood, we just like, it can be a lot of work. But if we stop grinding and start saying,
There's something here to laugh about. There's something here to treasure. There's a moment to take words and you actually can, the sources in the book that I wrote, but also in so many places, we can find declarations and I choose this. I'm a thankful dad. I like just even that statement alone, I've been thankful. I treasure my girls. This is a role that the God in heaven, the oldest dad in the universe gave me this role. So, and he knows what he's doing. He gave me this role of being a dad.
Jesse French
Hmm.
Jeff Zaugg
So anyways, these strengths statements actually help infuse wonder as well. And pace, pace is the last thing I'd say is pace allows like the conditions for wonder and Sabbath taking a day of like phone power down the phone. There are ways to fight against the world that wants to steal our wonder. It wants to steal that heart connection. And I guess I got, well, I know I said that was the last thing. The last, last thing, the last, last thing is the core discovered before wonder is freedom.
And if I am carrying a bunch of secrets, if I'm carrying secrets, it's so much weight. can't like, can't actually turn Malachi 4:6, the turning of hearts, fathers to children, the turning of hearts, children to fathers. If you carry weight of secrets or just burdens that unforgiveness, I dream about, I want to get to the rocking chair with love on my heart. I want to get to the, I want to get older and older and be more soft, forgive.
quicker. I want to be quicker to ask for apology, quicker to not hold on, quicker to things get brought to the light. The rocking chair, most people move towards older age, more crusty, more angst, more pissed off. And I want to get that direction with more love and freedom is like in many ways the unlocking of some areas of freedom. They actually tee us up for a lot more wonder, a lot more wonder. It's more fun that way. So it takes courage though. It takes a lot of courage to step into it.
Jesse French
Man, those are some really practical pieces that you just see up there, right? And again, like the freedom piece of it, like good night, we could talk for hours and hours on that, but it's well said to say like, these are related, right? The pace piece. I love that you brought that up that I think like the practice of wonder and delight, it's not microwavable. Like there has to be the slower pace, this room to be able to look, to ponder, to savor. Like I think that's
It's really wise, Jeff, to say, if we want to have mutual delight with our kids, the pace is part of that. And if we're running at a hundred miles an hour, like that's, that's going to be a harder road to run.
Jeff Zaugg
And I have a dad that I respect greatly and he has radical goals in the area of PACE where he has found a work from home job because he's like, I'll make less money, maybe had other opportunities, but he's like, if I can work from home, the conditions allow themselves to have 21 meals per week with his family. His kids are, in this case, his kids are homeschooled. So it's not, again, everyone set your own goals. Radical looks different for different guys, but he's actually said in this chapter of fatherhood, I'm going to have
I'm gonna shoot for 21 meals a week as a family, because it actually is possible. If it was the Apple investment, if you knew you were gonna get $40 million 25 years later, you wouldn't do seven meals a week today with your kid. You could change everything for the 40 million. But the radical calibration of pace to say sitting at the table with my kids in this chapter, I can never have it back if I lose out. So I like to challenge people with like way outside the box goal setting to say,
your job today and this opportunity you're heading towards compared to what you'll think is valuable 30 years from now, it probably is not a big deal if you lost that job. It probably is not a big deal if you took a demotion to take a different role. And many of us just are so locked with provision that we don't even give wonder a chance because we like, this has to be here because I have to have this and this and this. And it's actually not as big a deal as you think.
Jesse French
Yeah.
Which goes back to the identity piece of like, if we are operating from the employee mindset of like, is dependent on me, like provision is dependent upon me, like then we will be in that cycle. Right. And so again, like the overlapping piece of these discoveries. one thing I'd love to just spend a couple of minutes on really quick is I love how you talk about our physical face towards our kids. And we talk about this at RP ⁓
But I think that's just a wonderfully practical thing for us to consider of what is my face towards my kids. Like not metaphorical, like what is my physical face that I bring to them as they walk into the room, as they see me, right? Because it is the mediator of the light, right? Like, or conversely, or disgust, right? Like it holds all of that. And so even the awareness of what is my face to my kids feels like a wonderful step of awareness in practicing some of this.
Jeff Zaugg
Yeah, and I need the Holy Spirit. And I actually, my wife is the gift. She is closer to the Holy Spirit than anyone. Like she can bring to me a mirror. So I would love if God would just whisper, hey, recalibrate your face right now. But like my wife actually does in real time, recalibrate. She's like, like it's often it's face plus tone. It's those two things. It's tone and it's face. But the ability to like, what would my face show if at the coffee shop this afternoon, this person walked in.
Like someone who, well, let's just throw a name out that maybe something, John Eldridge walked into my local coffee shop. What would be on my face? Because I'm so grateful for him and in the books he's written and the, I'm really grateful for this man that would not recognize me. I mean, yes, I've had a couple of conversations with him, but he would not recognize me, but I would light up, right? I would light up. So why would my four daughters see any different light up in my, why would I come in dragging and complaining about
energy or this happened or this threw me off and why would I allow that to not bring some of that wonder through my countenance, through my smiles, through my eyes, through my words, my tone. Like I can pull it off in moments. can game on. I can step up and bring my best presence to strangers. And my favorite people in the world, the very favorite people in the world, I have five of them, actually bought the first five copies of the book.
are all have letter to my girls, the very first five copies. And it's like, they're my favorite people in the world. Nobody else got to touch those first five copies. They're for my wife and four daughters and for their future husbands. yeah, the eyes, they tell so much more than what even words can of just treasuring the delight of I have all the time in the world for you. Some of the best doctors and counselors, their eyes can really convey that like I'm fully present and I have nowhere else to be right now. Even though they do, they do have other demands.
And I am still growing in like, this is a common feedback loop for my wife is can't you just end these last two minutes with a like, you're happy to be having this conversation. Why do your last two minutes of the conversation have to be like, you're trying to get out of it. And so I still, I struggle with this, but there's an honor principle that Gary Somali, who's in heaven now, he preached and taught about the honor principle is light up like they're the most famous person in the world. Light up for those that you love most light up. And then the one other principle from
the pastor in Vancouver, says, John Burns, was blanking on his name. John Burns says, stay amazed, stay amazed. Amazement will make you a better husband. Amazement will make you a far better dad. Amazement will make you a better leader, coworker, volunteer, ministry leader, investor. Amazement, just stay amazed. Stay amazed, you'll be better at every sphere if you stay amazed.
Jesse French
Which I think again, to just beat the dead horse of the interconnectedness between these things. Like when we are putting ourselves in the place of humble awareness to what is true around our kids, around those close to us and the goodness of who they are comes through. Like that actually is connected to the sense of like, I get to participate in this. I am not the generator of this, right? Like I am a beloved son of which the father has given lavish lavish gifts.
And my job is to see, to notice, to celebrate, to light up, right? But I'm not the provider of this, right? Like I'm not the employee to like earn and, yield this. And so again, like as we're able to find ourselves in the story as a beloved son, that then can notice the goodness of where God is present with our kids. Like again, like the compounding nature of some of this work in terms of how that, how that transpired.
Jeff Zaugg
And super practical if you've got young kids that you still help with bedtime. Bedtime's my domain. I'm in charge with the four girls, teeth brushing, jammies and jammies. Now they're old enough that I'm like giving them a little privacy for jammy time. I'm like, oh man. But as soon as they're jammed, it's my domain bedtime. But bring a candle in for bedtime and take one minute with each of your children. Come sit on my lap. You get to light the candle. Kids love lighting a candle. What the candle does.
is it gives you a moment of one-on-one connection. They lit the candle, it's their moment with dad, and just pray or speak, I love you. I love that I get to be your dad. I see leadership in you. I saw the way you went back to mom and helped in that piece of obedience takes courage and strength. you can just go into anything you observed and speak it over them.
and pray for their future husband, even though that's always a funny moment. Dad, don't pray for my, so, and then they blow out the candle. So you're just affirming and loving with your words, but the candle light amplifies the shiny eyes. It does, it ⁓ magnifies, there's a word, not amplifies, it magnifies shiny eyes. So it's just an experiment that I would encourage anyone to try out, the shiny eye candle moment before bed of just words, words.
Jesse French
That's so good, Jeff. And I love that happens in bedtime because like, it could be very easy, like guilty as charged to be like, man, this is the end of the day. Like this is, you know, we're kind of trying to get things wrapped up. There's the like practical, you know, brush your teeth, blah, blah, blah. And what you're saying in the invitation is like the wonder can exist there. Intentionality. It's not just, man, we have to have to go to the beach and watch this crazy sunset or climb the peak for wonder to happen. It's no, this can be pursued in the menial Tuesday night.
Jeff Zaugg
bring it back in.
And like once or twice a month, like it's not an overnight. So don't hear me saying I'm doing this every day.
Jesse French
Okay. So good. Jeff, thank you again for your willingness to share in this podcast. I'm sure listeners like you've heard Jeff has a remarkable gift to be able to be generous with his stories and to mine out some of the invitation towards us. And his book is full of that. And so, yeah, where can we find it? That awesome book, your org tells
Jeff Zaugg
Yeah, and my encouragement to you guys is to, I only stick with things that I do with friends. I just only stick with things I do with friends. So that's where we say DA+3, you are DadAwesome. And even if you're not a dad today, maybe in the future, or you're playing a fathering role, like you are DadAwesome. And plus three is just find two or three others to take a little journey, a six week journey. And the book is written for the non-reader. So it's written for someone who's just barely curious about reading a fatherhood book because
you can do a six week study where you just choose whatever chapter pops out to you in the story section. And it's gonna take you seven minutes to read and be ready for that conversation. And then the next week, identity, pick a chapter, but it actually makes the conversation even more rich. If you show up with a few other dads and they picked different chapters than you did around that are building blocks to that principle, that core discovery. So it's the easiest small group.
kind of study and then we have questions for every chapter. have activations for every chapter. So yes, dadawesome.org. can head over there, find the book there, Amazon, search DadAwesome. No space. It comes up as the top thing just after March 17th. So there's a little bit you wait till March 17th and then on social at dadawesome. So happy to help and serve in any ways.
Jesse French
Jeff, thank you for this conversation. Thank you for your heart, for dads to encourage them, to inspire them. Grateful to be in this space and on the road with you,
Jeff Zaugg
cheering for you, Jesse and the whole RP team. Love you guys and thanks for having me on.
Jesse French
You, bet man. Look forward to doing it again.