Another Zelda Podcast

In this feathery flight of an episode, David and Kady take to the skies to talk all things Rito! From Wind Waker to Tears of the Kingdom, they share their favorite members of this proud avian race and maybe even debate which Rito has the best vibes, best design, and best potential for saving Hyrule. Grab your Paraglider and listen in as we celebrate the birds who soar above it all.
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Host
David Geisler
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Host
Kady Roberts

What is Another Zelda Podcast?

It’s a secret to everybody. | Another Zelda Podcast is a show wherein we talk about all things regarding The Legend of Zelda series!

Kady Roberts:

Hello and welcome to another Zelda podcast. My name is Katie and I'm here with my friend David. How you doing today, David?

David Geisler:

Howdy, my friend. Howdy. I'm here as well. Hey, Katie. How are you?

Kady Roberts:

I'm good. We spent, like fifteen minutes just talking with the magical sword people, which was great.

David Geisler:

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. In our last episode, we talked about D and D so much on the real episode that I was like, this is not good. This is not quality. Like, this is not the right way to make a show like this.

David Geisler:

It was a real wake up call. And I'm so grateful for any of our new listeners that they listen to that last episode first. They might have been like, I thought this was an easy PR Zelda episode or Zelda podcast. So this time I chose, all right, if we're gonna if we're gonna, you know, talk about D and D a little bit, we'll put it in with the magical sword people. So yes, that's in all the pre show stuff.

David Geisler:

And so here we are.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. If you guys want to check that out, head over to Patreon because it's real good stuff. We talked all about D and D and about my D and D character that I love, but we're not going to talk about

David Geisler:

it here. Volund, she had her first session with our group and there it is.

Kady Roberts:

I guess

David Geisler:

we'll leave it at that.

Kady Roberts:

There's our thing.

David Geisler:

And also one other fun, crazy fun fact is in our next session, Steven from the Ocarina for the first time episode is going to join our campaign as another character.

Kady Roberts:

That's very exciting.

David Geisler:

Anyways, well, let's let's leave it there.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Hey, what are we?

David Geisler:

What are we talking

Kady Roberts:

about today? Unfortunately, kind of fortunately, though, we're talking about the Rito and kind of our favorite Rito.

David Geisler:

My favorite Rito.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, my favorite Rito. I'm so excited. I like the Rito a lot. I was kind of heartbroken because I like I said this a million times. I started with Breath of the Wild, played Tears of the Kingdom, then went back and started playing some of the other games.

Kady Roberts:

And I was devastated when I found out the Rideau are still kind of like new in terms of Zelda stuff.

David Geisler:

I think they just might kind of be the newest. Maybe you could argue that like the Yiga and like Is the new? Well, no, they're all kind of in the same time. Yeah, it's the wild. Well, no, no, Rito was Wind Waker.

David Geisler:

Yeah, but they're new.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, they're very new. They're like one of the newer races, I guess. Newest race. But yeah, I like the Rito a lot. One of my family friends who's kind of like a little brother to me, the Rideau or his favorite race.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, which is kind of fun.

David Geisler:

And your family friend was probably introduced to the Rideau being the full on like bird like people from Breath of the Wild, not the Rito that are that are basically people with beaks. Wind Waker

Kady Roberts:

because he he's younger than me by a couple of years. So Breath of the Wild was his first off the game, too.

David Geisler:

Yes. Yeah, we're going to do we're going to record a little Patreon bonus episode about this kind of rumor about Ocarina of Time remake. We're going do that after this episode. But it helped me realize that, you know, for a lot of people, if you ask someone like, what is Zelda? For anyone who's played a Zelda game even for the first time in the last eight years, if not nine, almost ten, but certainly eight years, Zelda is the Breath of the Wild aesthetic.

David Geisler:

Yeah. A. K. A. Tears of the Kingdom and Age of Calamity.

David Geisler:

Like those are that's what Zelda is. You know, Link is not running around in a green tunic for those people. And there's a lot of people. My nephew's, you know, he's turning nine this weekend. He's played.

David Geisler:

He was there for he was excited for Tuesday King to come out. He played Breath of the Wild the last year or two that it was out. And if you say Zelda to him, he's just thinking that there's no, you know, this kind of like for people who have been playing Zelda for forty years. This idea that like, oh, it's new Zelda Breath of Wilds, Zelda. Anyways, I digress.

David Geisler:

The point I'm trying to make is. We talk about, you know, you talk about like something like a new race like the Rito. Well, for a lot of people, even though they might be the newest, I'd even argue maybe zone I, you know, they kind of came in later, but they're not like a full race that you go visit ish.

Kady Roberts:

It will be soon.

David Geisler:

I know

Kady Roberts:

the switch to.

David Geisler:

Yes. Yes, that's true. Anyways, yeah, the reader were new, but it just puts things in perspective a little bit. I'm kind of getting I'm falling off my track. I don't know how to pull it back to our main thread here right now, I'll be honest.

David Geisler:

Oh, no, you're trying to make is like, actually, it's easy to forget just that almost ten years have gone by in this breath of the world aesthetic. It's certainly eight years anyway.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I'm I like Dorito. I like Dorito a lot. I don't like the the lack of the Zora when they first got introduced

David Geisler:

in Wind Waker.

Kady Roberts:

I wish he had both of them, but I understand like it's the entire point of Wind Waker and having the Rideau is that evolution from Zora to Rideau.

David Geisler:

Because they didn't want we've we've all decided canonically our collective fandom headcanon and some of this is supported by Nintendo is that

Kady Roberts:

the goddesses didn't want them down.

David Geisler:

The goddesses turned the Zara into the Rideau because they didn't want them going down and finding old Hyrule.

Kady Roberts:

Exactly. Yeah, which is great. We're also both of us are playing through Freedom Hourglass now.

David Geisler:

Oh, we are.

Kady Roberts:

So it's super fun kind of seeing that continuation of the game and everything too.

David Geisler:

I got it right here. I'm playing it on my original DS Lite. I was playing it on my 3DS for a bit, but I've actually gone full classic old school here and I'm doing DS Lite.

Kady Roberts:

Fun fact for you. I I've only ever played on a three d s.

David Geisler:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

So me working at a youth video game store, I had never actually seen what a regular d s had looked like before.

David Geisler:

What? Well, even the original ones crazy town.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, like I didn't realize they didn't have the what is it? A C stick that moves around?

David Geisler:

Well, yeah, that was that was the original three d s's didn't even have that.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, not that. Not that

David Geisler:

the C stick of the control, the analog stick analog stick that was that came with the three d s. Yeah, the original DS did not have an analog stick.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, because I I've never had an XL. I've only ever had the regular, so I just yeah, I didn't realize that there was no analog stick on like the classic. Yes,

David Geisler:

when the DS first came out, the Super Mario 64 kind of remake was one of the release games and the way they did the analog stick is that there was a tied up thing that came off the side of the DS. You would strap it to your thumb with a little plastic nub and you'd use the plastic nub on the screen and slide your thumb around on the screen and you use that as your analog stick on the original. So you see how I'm doing this right now? I'm moving my thumb and using buttons. That's how you played Super Mario 64 on the DS originally.

Kady Roberts:

That's crazy.

David Geisler:

And then you take the little thing off and slide around. Man. All right.

Kady Roberts:

All right. Let's start getting into this. Let ask you this.

David Geisler:

If you're introduced to the Rideau through Breath of the Wild aesthetic, AKA Age of Calamity and choose the kingdom, When you first met them in Wind Waker well, maybe that brings me into my first character. Actually, one of them

Kady Roberts:

Well, do we wanna do listener feedback first?

David Geisler:

A %.

Kady Roberts:

That's to cut you off.

David Geisler:

Thank you for being a good co host.

Kady Roberts:

Let's let's do this first and then we'll hop in.

David Geisler:

For

Kady Roberts:

starters, we only got a couple. We got a comment. I believe this is on Spotify. Ocarina of Time three d. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

That's Spotify.

David Geisler:

Looks like Spotify to me.

Kady Roberts:

Spotify. Alright. This is from JD Kurtz. Says, hey, AZP. Love your podcast.

Kady Roberts:

I was wondering if you have any plans to play spirit tracks. I'm enjoying or I'm I'm playing through it right and it is really enjoyable and has the best Zelda and one of the better scores in the series. After I finished Spirit Tracks, it's either Skyward Sword or Ocarina h Ocarina three d for me next. Glad you guys are still making episodes. Green heart times parenthesis seven times seven parenthesis.

Kady Roberts:

So a lot of green

David Geisler:

hearts. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I I haven't noticed as much with the soundtrack myself yet, but I I'm still not too far into the game.

David Geisler:

So Spirit Tracks? Yeah. Or Phantom Hourglass?

Kady Roberts:

Phantom Hourglass. I forgot they're saying Spirit Tracks.

David Geisler:

Hey, that's okay. Does this one say Spirit Tracks? I'm trying to list Oh, is this a new one right here?

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah. That's

David Geisler:

the one I have to say. So Spirit Tracks, of course, is the sequel to Phantom Hourglass, which we will also play. Phantom is the one you and I are actively playing right now.

Kady Roberts:

I always mix them up.

David Geisler:

It's Okay. It's Okay. Sometimes I do as well. They were the exact same engine. They were directs.

David Geisler:

One came out only two years after the other one. It was very much the way Majora's Mask is Ocarina of Time.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah,

David Geisler:

Spirit is to

Kady Roberts:

before I played an Ocarina, I also used to mix Ocarina and Majora's up.

David Geisler:

Sure. So I have heard that Spirit Tracks has a very unique and special soundtracks. We'll look into that when we play Spirit Tracks in the second half of Oracle of Seasons are the two Zelda games I've never played. So I'm I almost started playing. I picked up spirit tracks.

David Geisler:

Was trying to find it here a second ago. I picked it up a couple of years ago and I was going to start poking around on it. And I opened up the title screen and I was like, No, save it. Like, save it for review. Even though I wanted to play it, I was like, No, you got to you know what I mean?

David Geisler:

So I think we finished Phantom. I don't know. Maybe we got to jump over to Majora. We'll jump to we have like all these games we still want to play, but I'm going to save spirit tracks as my actual first time playing when we do our review episodes. I can't wait.

David Geisler:

I've heard such great things about it, actually. What's so curious about spirit tracks to me is for me personally, link on a train kind of just literally on tracks going from town to town doesn't call to me very much creatively. It's not one of the games where I'm like, Oh, yes, please. I can't wait to play it. But a lot of people love it.

Kady Roberts:

So I love anything that has kind of that steampunk aesthetic or like just like murder mystery on the trains, like southern, like all that. I love all the kind of train aesthetics, so I'm super excited to play that one.

David Geisler:

Quick question. Have you done any customizations to your ship yet on Phantom Hourglass?

Kady Roberts:

Yes. Yeah. I am going around and collecting stuff.

David Geisler:

So light steampunk there a little bit. Mhmm. Sometimes. Like it. I'll do our next comment.

David Geisler:

Here it is. Big Barn Little Farm over, I think, also on Spotify. Hello, David and Katie. I have been listening to your podcast for a long time now, but have only really played Ocarina of Time on the Nintendo sixty four with my dad who played it when he was young. Love the pod.

David Geisler:

Keep up the good work. Well, big barn, little farm. First of I love that screen name. Yeah. I wonder what I wonder what the origin of it of it is.

David Geisler:

Totally fine. There's a lot of people that I mean, first of if you're going play one Zelda game, Ocarina of Time is the one. That's great. And if your dad also played it, maybe I wonder if you like watched your dad play it a little bit and then then you played it as well. And on the Nintendo sixty four specifically.

David Geisler:

So that's just that's fantastic. Well, thank you for commenting, Big Barn, Little Farm, and thank you for listening to the show. And here we go with the next one.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, this one's also on Spotify. I crave a lot of Spotify.

David Geisler:

Hey, that's Okay.

Kady Roberts:

This is from our evolution of the Kokiri, which love that episode. This is from dining room listening from Canada. Love the pod. It would mean the universe to me if you shouted me out.

David Geisler:

Nice.

Kady Roberts:

I'm not even going try and count this many green hearts. Would be so real. I'm going to say that's like.

David Geisler:

Count how many along

Kady Roberts:

one line? 70.

David Geisler:

Oh my gosh.

Kady Roberts:

One, four, five, six, seven. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. I don't do math. Seventeen times eight.

David Geisler:

Cool. That's great. Oh my God. It's so good.

Kady Roberts:

I said I'm not done.

David Geisler:

Recommending geometry.

Kady Roberts:

Recommending geometry dash.

David Geisler:

All right. What is that? What's Geometry Dash? Is that a Oh, David.

Kady Roberts:

It was like the game when I was like in middle and high school on like the DS or on my phone. You'd be like a little a little shape that move across and you would try and hit to like beats of the music to do obstacle courses and stuff. But it was really, really hard.

David Geisler:

I very much enjoyed Geometry Wars on my DS Lite, in fact, which was awesome. Geometry Wars came out on Xbox first. It was like a really big hit when it came out, but now it's basically a dual stick kind of shooter. You move the spaceship with one stick and shoot with the other. You have a robotron kind of thing.

David Geisler:

I'll find it someday and have you try it out. Yeah. That's as close as I've gotten to Geometry Dash as Geometry Wars.

Kady Roberts:

Did you want to read this last one?

David Geisler:

I thought that was. Oh, cool. We got one more. Awesome. I think you flipped it before you handed over and I see it was the same one.

David Geisler:

No, no problem. Thank you so much. KSlater nine twenty three over on Spotify said, oh, this is on our evolution of the Kukiri episode, which was a more recent one. So excited for your new episode today. My nine year old my nine year old fell in love with Zelda two years ago when we bought Tears of the Kingdom.

David Geisler:

So a seven year old playing Tears of the Kingdom. Love it. To help us survive this week, we recover after a tonsillectomy. Yes. We played it start to finish that week and that was all she wrote.

David Geisler:

I have fallen in love with Zelda while learning the lore with my guy. We diligently listen to every episode together, but he frequently revisits them on his own. Thank you for gifting our family with many happy memories of listening together. Green heart emoji. And also, just realized that I read that's all she wrote very wrong.

David Geisler:

I thought that she was the kid. Oh, that's wonderful. Yes, I know. I also had like I had a surgery when I was younger and kind of was in bed for a week and definitely like played a video game that I really fell in love with because of it. And so well, KSlater923, you, your little player and everyone who is listening, you're just so welcome and thank you.

David Geisler:

And I so appreciate

Kady Roberts:

that. Thank you guys for that. I hope everything's healed up good. Thankfully, I never had to get my tonsils out. I talked about me.

Kady Roberts:

My dad didn't either. My brother did because he had all the bad genes from my mom's side. And I remember it was it was rough. So I'm glad everything's going well.

David Geisler:

I went through a spout in first grade where I got strep throat like three or four times. I actually missed a lot of school and there was conversations about getting my tonsils taken out and for one reason or another, they decided they couldn't or wouldn't and I can't remember why. So I never did. But that was a that was a weird, it was a weird like year and a half where I just got strep throat nonstop and then it kind of never happened again. Don't know.

David Geisler:

But anyway.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, body learned how to find, I guess.

David Geisler:

I bought my body trained up.

Kady Roberts:

Talking about training. You know who's good at training the Rito with their bows and arrows. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, this is the Rito.

David Geisler:

Well, I want to I want to start with a character that I wasn't set before this new. Yes, just because it's a good little transition. Obviously, most of the Rito are realized in Breath of the Wild and choose the kingdom, and I love how they are portrayed aesthetically, culturally, narratively. I really like the Rito in those games. But of course, their inception or their their introduction to the series was Wind Waker.

David Geisler:

The first Rito you see is one that I have on my list here, and his name is Quill. He's kind of the quintessential Rito that's used on a lot of the wikis when you think about a Rito. I would like to ask Katie, knowing what Rito looked like to you, actual, you know, life human sized birds walking around when you encountered your first Rita, which was most definitely Quill. He's the one who comes down and gives you a letter in the beginning of Wind Waker. Did you have any reactions to that?

Kady Roberts:

Kind of. But it's mainly because my previous roommate had played through Wind Waker before it was her favorite game. And so I was telling her about Breath of the Wild. We were talking, we're talking about the Rito because she's like, Oh, the Rito are my favorite. And we're like, Oh, no.

Kady Roberts:

And then I made a comment. She's like, What are you talking about? I'm like, You know, like the big bird people? I mean, she's like, Well, I mean, they're kind of birds.

David Geisler:

They have beaks on their face.

Kady Roberts:

They have beaks. I'm like, Well, of course they have beaks. They're birds. And so we went this through this whole back and forth until she ended up showing me probably a picture of like quill or medley,

David Geisler:

and I was like,

Kady Roberts:

that's not the Rito. So when I got into actually playing the game, I was like, this is so bizarre, but I love it. And I fell in love with this kind of take of the Rito for sure.

David Geisler:

I see, I see. Yeah, I mean, because what's really weird is some of the Rito have beaks for noses, but still have a mouth underneath, like a human mouth in Wind Waker.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It's interesting. Just like how some look more birdish than others, I guess.

David Geisler:

Well, I'd like to speak to that point when we start getting into the Breath of the Wild and Choose the Kingdom, Rideau. We'll save that for now. But Quill, I would like to point a few things out about Quill. Quill comes in, flies in. It's the first time I know when you when I first played Wind Waker, it was like what?

David Geisler:

It was a character we'd never seen. It was a style of a character we'd never seen. He comes flying in as the postman. And I kind of thought to myself, is this the postman archetype? Is this is there one of these?

David Geisler:

Is there one bird that flies around? Is this a mutant helium? Like, what are we looking at? You know what I mean? But ultimately, when you kind of look at what Quill does for you, is he kind of functions.

David Geisler:

There's going to be a weird connection structurally in the game. He meets up with you at the beginning ish or he interfaces with you at the first three kind of like gems or things you have to get that I don't even know, gel, gem, stone, whatever. He meets with you at Rideau on Dragon Roose Island. He he does some interfacing there with the leader. He helps you find the Jabun water stone.

David Geisler:

And so in a way, Quill kind of is the Kypora Gabora of Wind Waker. You know what I mean? Every time you're kind of on your next step, he kind of flies in and does something that's interesting that it's a bird flying in and flying out.

Kady Roberts:

Now, I feel like that was probably very intentional, kind of taking that and kind of burping it into this bird character that they were already thinking about doing. And then they're like, Oh, let's just pull from this old. But I think it's funny because you're talking about Quill as the postman. I put down a lari as the postman. I really liked him.

Kady Roberts:

I also really liked his specific kind of quest where he goes and is trying to, like, deliver the letter from the Moblin to that one.

David Geisler:

You're right. I thought that was I miss. I put those two characters together as the same character in my memory. You're absolutely right. No quilt comes down to.

David Geisler:

Yeah, there is the actual postman, too.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, he's like trying to. He's like, Look, dude, you don't even got to let her, like, fully read it. I just got to deliver this to her.

Kady Roberts:

Like, I just need to get my job done. I can't leave until I do this. And he's like, stressed out. And so you can go and help him out as link, which is fun. And also just a really funny storyline where like she opens a letter and it's the mom being like, you're pretty.

Kady Roberts:

I wish I could eat you. And she's like, oh my gosh. He's so in love with me.

David Geisler:

What are you talking about?

Kady Roberts:

You don't know this quest line?

David Geisler:

I have no Maybe there's a reason why I don't know who Elari is. What is happening right now?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Okay. So when you rescue the girls and you like rescue your sister from the island, there's one girl. Well, there's two, right? One of them used to be the wealthy girl of the family or like in the town, and now she's like working on the streets, like stealing because.

Kady Roberts:

Her family, like, paid all this money to save her. The other one, her dad got a ton of like spirit or the butterfly necklace sold and made a lot of money. So they're super wealthy now. But this girl, when she was in the jail cell, fell in love with the moblin that was there.

David Geisler:

Wow.

Kady Roberts:

And so she was writing to the moblin and then the moblin wrote her back. And so this postman is trying to deliver this letter and the dad is typical, like Star Cross lovers, dad won't approve and whatever. So it's like you can go in and sneak in and like, give her this letter. And it's literally the moblin being like, I wish I could eat you. You're so pretty.

Kady Roberts:

Whatever. And she's like, Oh, we're going to get married and he loves me married and he loves me and all this different stuff. And then she gives you a piece of a heart, I think, for doing it.

David Geisler:

That is amazing. Had the other It's

Kady Roberts:

a really funny

David Geisler:

In Wind Wasteland. Wow. Wow. One of those little My mind is blown right now. Okay, cool.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Cool. That Alari?

Kady Roberts:

I think that's what

David Geisler:

it's because you do need him in the beginning as well. Yeah. Alari. Because it's also easy to forget because also in Phantom Argois, which we're playing right now, there's a there's a male man character that flies, but is not a Rito. It's like a he's like an angel.

Kady Roberts:

I was gonna say he looks like Cupid.

David Geisler:

Like a little Cupid flying around, yeah? Yeah, mean, wasn't that just a Rito? Don't know, but

Kady Roberts:

I don't know. There other? Have like I said, I haven't played too far. Are there Rito in that game?

David Geisler:

I have a note about that.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, Okay.

David Geisler:

I don't know when to bring it up. I don't know. Maybe I should do it now. Maybe maybe let's just do it. The favorite episodes are supposed to be kind of just go as you go.

David Geisler:

Uh-huh. I was organically playing Phantom Hourglass last night, just getting ready for bed, playing in bed, my little DS light. And there was a there's an island in the North East quadrant of the first four ocean maps that you get. You know, it's one of these things you talk to a person and they say, Hey, look at you or you read a map on a wall or something. It's like a little X.

David Geisler:

And so you bring your map down, you market yourself on the ocean. So I went towards that X and it's near where the ghost ship is, your first ghost ship encounter. And it was a hidden island and you get to and they're like, Look, it's not on our map. And you kind of already had drawn it there.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, it

David Geisler:

was part of the game. We pull up to this map and it's not Zazu, it's Zau Zau Zau's Island or this character that lives on the island, his name is Zau's. I went in. It's very clear that this is one of these characters that'll like. Kind of like the guy who upgrades your stuff in Skyward Sword, it's like, you'll probably go back to him and he'll upgrade your sword or he'll upgrade your shield or something.

David Geisler:

He's kind of a blacksmith type character. But he turns around. I've got a picture of him here. I'm playing last night and I already had my kind of list put together for this episode. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And I was like, Oh my God. Oh my God. There is a redo in Phantom Hourglass. It's Zhao's. There's a redo in Phantom Hourglass.

David Geisler:

This is so cool. And I'm watching on the kind of triangular pixel graphics that are on Phantom Hourglass. So this morning during my coffee, I was actually hitting like all the wikis. I was hitting Zelda dungeon, all of them like Rito in Phantom Hourglass, and I couldn't couldn't find any. In fact, all of them were saying they were not including Phantom Hourglass.

David Geisler:

And I was like, Why are all these wikis broken? I just saw Rito last night. This is what I saw.

Kady Roberts:

I'm

David Geisler:

pulling up the picture

Kady Roberts:

right Yes.

David Geisler:

It's reloading right now.

Kady Roberts:

Because I I wanna say I've been to that island, but I can't

David Geisler:

I just the way I saw the graphics, I thought he had a beak nose.

Kady Roberts:

I I thought that he was kind of a Rito too when I saw him.

David Geisler:

So for the listeners, I've just shown a It's

Kady Roberts:

not just the nose. It's he has these huge eyebrows that look like a bird.

David Geisler:

Massive eyes. He's got the hair pulled back just like the Rito and Wind Waker. Yeah. And he's got the tiny mouth underneath a massive looking beak nose, but I guess

Kady Roberts:

He's thinking about his belly button.

David Geisler:

Oh, did I? And I was for sure, last night, was like, this is so cool. How serendipitous we're recording tomorrow and I found a Rito organically in that tomorrow class. And it's not.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, well, he can be a Rito in all of

David Geisler:

our He's a blacksmith with a massive discolored nose.

Kady Roberts:

We love you, Zos. We love you more if you are a Rito, but we love you nonetheless.

David Geisler:

So that was my If this were a top 10, that would have been like a weird honorable mention. But anyway.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Well, before we move on to the other games, while we're still on the topic of Wind Waker, we gotta mention Medley.

David Geisler:

Sure.

Kady Roberts:

Queen. Love her. She's very cute. I love her and Link's dynamic a lot. I like when you because I finished Wind Waker now.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I finished Wind Waker.

David Geisler:

Well, that's what's fun about this episode is we were able to do it finally because you've experienced all the Rito. Yeah, that's what was so great. We haven't done a favorites like species episode in a while. We did favorite Gorons. We did favorite Zoras.

David Geisler:

We've never done the Rito, and I was kind of waiting for this moment. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

But I like with the Wind Waker, you are able to take control of Medley and you can like fly around and hit different things. I think she's like really fun, a really fun mechanic.

David Geisler:

One of my favorite things about Medley is that when you meet her, it's a very sweet interaction. But I think this is a good thing. It like didn't ping as being romantic in any kind

Kady Roberts:

of way.

David Geisler:

It was just genuine. You we coming coming off of Ocarina of Time, it was like everybody's crushing on Link so hard that it's a little like dated, you know?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

And so to have a character that was you're really just like having a friendship and a partnership with it was really cool.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, no, I agree. I think she's adorable

David Geisler:

with little harp. And then of course she comes back a little bit later in the game. That's all we had to say about that, apparently. Oh, sorry.

Kady Roberts:

I thought you were gonna expand on it.

David Geisler:

I was setting you up. We're just setting us up. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you use her in the in the.

David Geisler:

What is it? Not the Earth dungeon. It's the other one.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, you you get to use her in the dungeon. You can fly around with her and she's great.

David Geisler:

Yes.

Kady Roberts:

And then you can also go to like little hidden parts and play your little melodies together, which is super cute.

David Geisler:

One of the few times, one of the few and only times in a Zelda game where you control a character that is not linked.

Kady Roberts:

I was wondering.

David Geisler:

This one hits trivia all the time because there's like some trivia will say that you never control another character, but it's not true. There's coffee in Majora's Mask. There's like a tiny little side mission where the controls go back and forth because you're kind of like splinter selling through a basement together and so it jumps back and forth. So some argue that you are controlling another character. And then, of course, with Medley, the oftentimes in trivia, the argument is that

Kady Roberts:

you are. Little buddy.

David Geisler:

Who's our little buddy?

Kady Roberts:

Well, Korok buddy. I can't remember his name, and I'm really sad. I can't because he's my favorite.

David Geisler:

The one in Wind Waker?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, sure.

David Geisler:

Yeah, you can walk him around.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I think whenever you walk around, he like tosses around and does like the little bell sounds.

David Geisler:

You know what? You're right. Yeah, you're right.

Kady Roberts:

I think that was actually my favorite dungeon was the one that you get to go into and control him, and it's like five levels or something crazy.

David Geisler:

That dungeon is so interesting to me because every time I start it, it doesn't feel like my favorite because it's a little bland aesthetically at first. And then I end up loving it Cause of all the different, know,

Kady Roberts:

it's also the only one that made me frustrated, but it is my favorite. Yeah,

David Geisler:

yeah. It's kind of one of the last real dungeons in that game.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

Then you kind of go off on your second half of the game. Oh, the second half of the game. Yeah, I guess we'll talk about that in a Wind Waker review episode, but it is kind of one of the finals. Okay, so yeah, yeah, Medley's fantastic. I love that you meet her in the beginning.

David Geisler:

I love Dragon Roost Island when you meet her and you're just kind of introducing you into the new dungeon and all the cinders are blowing everywhere and stuff like that. It's one of the first times that a Zelda game was using particle physics,

Kady Roberts:

which is kind of cool. I think

David Geisler:

her hair blow her little ponytails blow with the actual cinders in the air and stuff like that. It was cool math.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I think she's also I think I could be remembering wrong, but I think you're in the first dungeon with her too, is when you like throw her across at things and then she can like get dizzy and hit her head and I always feel really bad about it.

David Geisler:

If you miss that. Yeah. I think there's a literal cartoon like bingo bingo bingo. Wait, if she's a bird, what flies around her head?

Kady Roberts:

More birds. Little baby birds.

David Geisler:

Little baby birds?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

That's like humans. If a human moves into a wall, just little humans walking around a human?

Kady Roberts:

Well, I mean, I see it more as like gorillas and humans, right? One's more evolved than the other, but we still have the other around as pets. Or I guess not pets, but lazy animals. Am I wrong?

David Geisler:

I don't think you're wrong. I think we're talking in two different directions, and I apologize. I was thinking about like these, you know, like the cartoon aesthetic of like when a cartoon character hits their head and little birds go. Yeah. And they fly around.

David Geisler:

I just thought, like, is it weird if a bird would hallucinate birds flying around their head? But I don't I don't think this is something we can A

Kady Roberts:

hundred men are fighting a one gorilla, you know?

David Geisler:

What's your take on that one?

Kady Roberts:

The 100%.

David Geisler:

I mean, only now, but yeah. AI says the gorilla wins no matter what.

Kady Roberts:

I say the gorilla is likely to win, especially if we're going one at a time, which we should be.

David Geisler:

Yeah, well, that's a video game. If you're playing as the girl and it's a video game, you're definitely.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, no, I'm talking IRL, man.

David Geisler:

Yeah, well, IRL. Don't know. Maybe everybody jumps on AI. I asked AI for my artificial podcast show. Actually, it was one of the topics we did, and it said that the gorilla pretty much 100% is going to win because it can lift like, you know, 10 times its own weight or 100 times no weight.

David Geisler:

I can't remember what we do. This is a few weeks ago. We talked about it and it said the only way is if there was a tremendously, you know, strategic coordinated effort.

Kady Roberts:

There is not going to be.

David Geisler:

And it's not going to be right. That's the only way. So like the gorilla is going to win.

Kady Roberts:

Oh yeah.

David Geisler:

All right.

Kady Roberts:

Props to that gorilla.

David Geisler:

Medley Medley versus 100. She she just be like, wait, why do we need to fight?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I was gonna say she'll whip out her harp and serenade them.

David Geisler:

There we go. Alright, I like that. Yeah, I like that.

Kady Roberts:

Did you have more on these games before we move to breath in tears?

David Geisler:

I don't know. Well, is there any? We're kind of getting close to break.

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

Is there another wind? I got another Wind Waker. Got a quick Wind Waker.

Kady Roberts:

Okay, I was going to say for me, Quill, I wish had a bit more in the game because I do think he's an interesting character being like the the child of like the chieftain. But there isn't too much you can do with him. Do think he's cute. I wish you could do more with him, though.

David Geisler:

Sure, sure. Yeah, he kind of comes in. He kind of is that guy that just comes in and helps you speak to a little bit. I've got one kind of like fun one here. This one.

David Geisler:

This was the I'll admit this is the first Rito I thought of when we talked about doing this as an episode.

Kady Roberts:

Sorry, I misspoke. Not Quill. I don't remember what his name is, but the child, The child.

David Geisler:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, I don't know if I have that his name here. Be a little blonde boy.

Kady Roberts:

Yes. The back. I was talking.

David Geisler:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Sorry. Anyway.

David Geisler:

No, he's great. Yeah, you go and help him. And then he kind of doesn't he? He gives you like

Kady Roberts:

the orbs you can go to.

David Geisler:

He gives you the orb, but he gets he gets braver too, if I remember correctly. He can do other. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. No, I am thinking of.

David Geisler:

A lot of post office work with Dorito in Wind Witch. I know

Kady Roberts:

what else are you going to do?

David Geisler:

I'm going to see if fly those letters around. Kibali is who I'm thinking of. It's Okay if that name doesn't trigger for you or ring a bell for you. But it's the post office guy on Dragon Reef's Island where you play the letter sorting game.

Kady Roberts:

I was just about to ask. I love that game. I'm so good at it.

David Geisler:

I am not shy to say on this podcast that I don't usually see myself drawn towards the mini games. Sometimes I'll try them a little bit and I usually kind of move on. And I think some people who want to play those mini games over and over and over, that's super cool and super awesome. And I value that for me. The letter sorting game was like, I don't know what it did, but it was the one game that I was like, Yeah, I'm into this.

David Geisler:

I love that game. I

Kady Roberts:

like that game and I really loved the, oh, it like the battleship game. I was really good

David Geisler:

at one too. Yeah. Battleship was cool. The battleship comes back in Phantom Hourglass, by the way. So that's kind of kind of fun.

David Geisler:

Well, that character does. It's realized a little differently. It's more like you're on a track. It's a little bit more like the arrow shooting in Ocarina, but anyway, or the arrow on the horse in Ocarina anyways. Yeah.

David Geisler:

So Kibali is the is the post office worker and, you know, asks you to help him sort and you can sort and you get rupee for every single letter you sort. I don't know why, but for me, it was just the way that you kind of like look at the symbols and pick where to throw them triggered my mini game spirits. I was very excited about this game. I actually played it for the first time ever in a Zelda game when I first played Wind Waker. I kind of played it multiple times.

David Geisler:

A lot of times with a mini game, I'll play it once. I'm like, cool, unless it's quest specific. Kind of. Yeah. And that's not because I want to move quicker with the quest.

Kady Roberts:

It doesn't speak to you.

David Geisler:

Just fine. There it is. However, this one really did. And I remember having a lot of fun with it. So if you get up to like, I think it's like 20 if you can sort 25 of them, you know, he gives you a thing, gives you rupees or whatever.

David Geisler:

If you get up to 25, He decides and I did get up to 25. Yeah. Did you get up? Do you know what happens?

Kady Roberts:

I do all the I'm a completionist, so I try and do everything that can give me everything in the game. Only thing I didn't do all of because I couldn't take it anymore was the side puzzles. I just I can't do side puzzles. I don't like them. So I think I did like eight or nine of them before I called the quits because I think they're 16.

David Geisler:

That's a lot.

Kady Roberts:

But yes, I did do all of that. I don't exactly remember. I don't remember if he gives you a piece of the heart or what, but I do know

David Geisler:

what kind of.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I do know when you come back later, though. He has like an apprentice, so it's like, Oh my gosh, you're the guy you had the record.

David Geisler:

Absolutely. It's a human and I actually had his name here, but it's not in my notes now, but it's like it's ethos or iOS or iOS or something. I've got it in the encyclopedia. I'll find it on break. Yeah, he's just a helium, but he gets hired.

David Geisler:

So basically by you helping sort the production, the narrative is that the production of the post office increases so much that they're so they're doing so good with their business that the Rideau is able to hire a helper. It's this guy, Kyos, CIAOS or something like that. Don't know. Dyslexia is in full effect right now, but there's a deeper quest with that. You you speak to him and he gives you a letter from his mom, I think.

David Geisler:

And then you deliver it, but you never actually meet the mom. You put in a post office, you get a letter back. And the mom says, Thank you, I'm so proud of my son. And you do get a heart piece from that.

Kady Roberts:

You get that one. And then there's also one another like delivery one where you collect. I think it's like 10 feathers, like rock feathers. And then you send them out because this Rito, his girlfriend, like whenever you get like the little feathers, it's like, Oh, these are really popular among like Rito women. He's like, I want to like, give my girlfriend this gift and whatever.

Kady Roberts:

So you give him like 10 feathers and he sends it out and then the girlfriends ends up sending you a like, thank you note being like, thanks for helping him now. Like, here's a gift for you as well.

David Geisler:

Interesting. I let's go to break, but I'm realizing that this kind of letter mechanic. We would later see that realized a little bit more in the gratitude crystals in Skyward Sword. You know, it's little bit like, can you do the tasks for the people? You know, it was two games later, but they kind of, you know, they kind of matured that whole system into an actual mechanic

Kady Roberts:

by the time

David Geisler:

they got Skyward Sword.

Kady Roberts:

Do you like? I like the gratitude crystals. Thought

David Geisler:

first time I played Skyward Sword, I didn't get it. I was like, why? I mean, I'm cool with helping people. I'm cool. They're like little side missions.

David Geisler:

I don't know why I'm doing this. Second time I played Skyward Sword, I was all in. I was so ready to help everyone. I just didn't realize what I was getting into the first time I played.

Kady Roberts:

Okay, Let's let's go to break and then we'll hop back in and we'll go with the two newer games. Yeah. Breath and tears.

David Geisler:

Yeah. This is actually pretty good thematic. They didn't really know it was gonna work out this way, but yeah. We'll be right back with that. With with the with the big old bird flapping people.

Kady Roberts:

And we're back. We're still talking about the Rito, our favorites, but now we're moving on to Breath and Tears.

David Geisler:

Yes, Katie. But before we do, I did find the name of the character. It's B A I T O. Bato? Bato?

Kady Roberts:

Bato?

David Geisler:

Bato is the Batovan? B A I T O is the helper at the post office on Dragon Reefs Island and Beyto is not a Reno. I'm not sure if he comes from, you know, what island he comes from. Oh, there was one other thing I wanted to say about Kibali as I'm looking at his image here. Look at the shape of his head.

David Geisler:

What I like about it is it kind of references the big tall hat that the postman wears in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. There's a similar aesthetic there like this kind of post office, you know, thin head, tall head. It's very, you know what I mean? I think there's I think that's not on not by accident.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Oh, and then the Komali is the the child.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got it already. We're literally using the Zelda encyclopedia right now. We've got the whole kind of character layout right here on page two fifty nine.

David Geisler:

And you're absolutely right. Now I'm just looking at all the read out.

Kady Roberts:

So many. It doesn't feel like it, but there really is. Really are. There's a lot.

David Geisler:

Chetan, Kamali. Cool. Let's do it.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So moving on to breath and tears is what I feel most comfortable in because I love those really love breath. So I wanted to start with the first like main Rito, or I guess most important Rito, which is Rivali. We got a little figure of Rivali right in front of us.

David Geisler:

Yeah, we pulled him down from the shelf for the.

Kady Roberts:

Rivali is a very interesting and complicated character to me because he is very. He's very egotistical, but also it's not for no reason, I guess, because everything that he brags about, he brags about because he has he has the ability to.

David Geisler:

He can do it.

Kady Roberts:

He can do it,

David Geisler:

which is, I guess, is that arrogance like or confidence? I don't know.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, it's not weird mix because for starters, when you first start playing like we're all very obviously, he does not like Link. He doesn't think Link has earned his position, all this different kind of stuff. And so you're immediately like, Well, hey, what about you and whatever? But then you kind of learn more about him through Teba, which we'll talk more about. But the bow that he uses is so heavy that no other Rito can use it.

Kady Roberts:

They're not able to fly with it. And that's why he started holding in his He feels that way with this. Heals it with his feet, but it's also where revolves gale comes from. His ability to make wind so he can fly easier

David Geisler:

with this.

Kady Roberts:

It's so interesting. And then also through I read up a lot on his like Wiki. In one of his diary entries that you can find the the shooting range, he basically he was the one that asked the original chief, Hey, I won. I don't remember what he won if he won like the shooting competition or something, but he. Had like the most whatever, and he's like, All I want is that you make this shooting range that people can practice in, and I want to like practice my moves and practice my skills.

Kady Roberts:

And that's when he learns how to do like a lot of his abilities there. And inevitably, you know, he goes and he unfortunately doesn't make it in the final battle, but his spirit remains. Then when you come in these one hundred years later, every warrior is trying to be like him. That's where Teba comes in.

David Geisler:

Yes. Yeah, I liked Teba. At first, I remember seeing Revali in some cutscene or something. And then you go out and you find Teba and he had kind of a similar kind of arrogance to him as well. You He's a little bit more toned down, a little bit like, why are you here?

David Geisler:

That kind of thing. Yeah. But ultimately, he seems like he cares about Link, Teba, so I ended up kind of liking it. But Revali He's

Kady Roberts:

complicated, right?

David Geisler:

I mean, I think Nintendo just likes to make bluebirds that are arrogant. He's very Falco in my opinion, but no, I think if you're going to make the four champions, you got to have or at least it's theoretically good writing to have maybe some different points of view on what went down. And so he's the one, you know what I mean?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, no, it's good. You know, Mifa is the childhood friend that's really soft spoken. Urbosa is very bold chieftain, but also very motherly. Yeah, you go over to the Gerudo and he's very.

David Geisler:

You mean Goran's?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, the Goran's.

David Geisler:

He's best bud.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, he's the best bud and he's kind of like the uncle character. And then you have your rival, which is for Volley. And yeah, talking about Teba, he didn't stand out too much to me. I think it was because he wasn't as bombastic as a personality. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

You know, he's very toned down.

David Geisler:

He's a little tired. Yeah, but I mean that it's good.

Kady Roberts:

But in a good way, and he he needs to be, you know, he's kind of taking care of everything. And that's why he's tied for my first favorite, Rito. But his son, Yes. Is well, everything.

David Geisler:

And that's another thing. I'm specifically talking about Tiba in Breath of the Wild. I really like kind of how what they how they continue with him and then with his son in tears. But Teba. Basically helps you in the flight range and kind of that's about it in Breath of the Wild, isn't that right?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, he doesn't really do much in breath, which is why it was also strange, you know, they keep him out of tears for a lot of reasons. You know, they're just like, Oh, he has to stay home. So his son is coming with you, which I don't mind because I really like Tulin. And I think it's interesting for Tulin's little arc, because when you go to find Teba for the first time in breath, you go to his wife. I can't remember what her name is right now,

David Geisler:

but

Kady Roberts:

basically she's like, Yeah, he's been training our son to try and be like Revali, and he wants to be like Revali needs. Been doing all this training with Tulin. So then leads next game when he kind of challenges his son being like this. I've been training you. Go out and see how you do.

Kady Roberts:

And I love Tulin so much. I've never felt so motherly towards anything in my life. I think

David Geisler:

it's great.

Kady Roberts:

I I love him so much. He's so cute and I love his voice actress and I love him.

David Geisler:

I also notice Tulin mechanically kind of does have his own version of her volley's game. Obviously, the horizontal thing instead, but it's like also mastered the wind, you know, which is kind of cool.

Kady Roberts:

Really cool.

David Geisler:

Julian is in breath as one of the little kids.

Kady Roberts:

And he looks so funny in breath. He looks very different, but it's because he's very he's very much a fledgling in breath. So he kind of has like the huge, like smooth round head and everything, which I wanted to say also kind of like as an honorable mention thing. Really liked what was her name? Knots is her name, and she's also one of the young kids that runs around.

Kady Roberts:

She's the oldest of her siblings, and she's the one that like gets all her sisters together for like the singing lessons. I'll sing for link. And then also when she sees like and they're all late for practice, she's like, You're a highly and you're scary. Go and get them for me. Make sure they don't miss practice again.

Kady Roberts:

And I love her and I love her even more because Tulin is tied with Cass as my favorite Rito.

David Geisler:

Okay,

Kady Roberts:

they are Cass's daughters. And Oh, really?

David Geisler:

Of course.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, which is why they're all musically inclined. I man cast when I played Breath of the Wild might have even been like right up there with Sighton as my favorite character.

David Geisler:

That is I'm so appreciative of this cast was I think it was maybe just the accordion was like so annoying to me. Really?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I loved it. Every time I heard it, I instantly went to try and find him.

David Geisler:

Really? Mhmm. Every time I heard it, I was like, here we go again.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I just I loved his design. I liked his story. And also, it was really interesting to me because I kept trying to figure out, you know, was this a previous link that like trained him and all this stuff? Yeah, he's talking about like his previous like master who he worked with and was his hero and all the stories of him.

Kady Roberts:

And that's what the songs are.

David Geisler:

I remember part of me thought that maybe it was just the same link and just cast didn't remember that it was the same one from one hundred years ago. But what's going on?

Kady Roberts:

I never even thought of that.

David Geisler:

Oh, but I do. I did like I did like, you know, like the mechanic of cast was a little annoying for me. It's a little bit like building the signs for the guy in Tears of the Kingdom where you're like, we're doing this again. But I did miss him in Tears of the Kingdom. So as a character, I liked cast quite a bit.

David Geisler:

You know what I mean? And I also think I was also just a little disappointed in Breath of the Wild that he would kind of sing a song, but you had to read it. And like the music is right there. I was like, Oh, can we do something? Can we do something where we actually hear this?

David Geisler:

But it's Okay.

Kady Roberts:

I agree. But yeah, cast is I'm so into music and feelings for music and Casas song. I just I could listen to it on repeat all day, every day and not get tired of it. I know you said that you found it a little annoying. I loved it.

David Geisler:

For me, it's kind of in line with like the but but I I really like some of the little challenges that came with cast and, you solving the like kind of trying to dissect the the the lyrics and what they really mean stuff. I really enjoyed that quite a bit. Some of them got weird, too, like in a good

Kady Roberts:

No, I agree. I think they're so fun. I love cast so much.

David Geisler:

Yeah, cast is cool. Well, then without. Please don't let my interactions with cast deter your thoughts.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, no, not

David Geisler:

at What else did you love about cast? Do you love about cast?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So the music draw me drew me to him initially, but I liked his design a lot. You never you don't see any other Rito like cast, right?

David Geisler:

It's really a point.

Kady Roberts:

He's really big. He has this pair of esthetics, so he kind of gives you which also with, you know, the accordion, it gives you this kind of pirate esthetic to him, which is really cool. Could be a callback to Wind Waker.

David Geisler:

I like that.

Kady Roberts:

And then every time you talk to him, it kind of just enhances the fact that he is a father because he always has that fatherly energy, the way he talks to you, the way he acts with you. I feel like that was just getting into headcanons. But like, I feel like he's the kind of guy like that would just sit down and chill with you for a little bit. And I like that about I like that about Cass. I think he's he's a sweetheart.

David Geisler:

That's cool. I love that. I'm also realizing as we're talking about this, you know, we we joked a few episodes ago that we got to get you playing the DLC for Breath of the Wild, And we definitely do because Cass continues to play a role in it so that you get a little more Cass.

Kady Roberts:

I love him so much.

David Geisler:

Cool. Yeah, I did like I did like the aesthetic. He did look different and everything. Like the, you know, finding him. Yeah, he'll hang out with you, but he'll actually be like, actually, got to go.

David Geisler:

I got to meet you at the next spot. I'm just joking. Yeah. All right. So, Cass, I didn't realize the Cass was the father to the that girl, too.

David Geisler:

That's pretty cool.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. But like five daughters or something crazy.

David Geisler:

And they're the five that end up singing and get in danger right across the way. Yeah,

Kady Roberts:

yeah. And they do like a little song and dance for Link, basically, which is cute. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Awesome. Love it. I I enjoyed the chief of Rideau Village, the owl. Right. I did like him.

David Geisler:

He kind of reminded me a little bit of the Zora King from Ocarina of Time. He had kind of had a similar aesthetic and style and just sitting there, but he also seemed a little kinder than that than that character. But it made me realize that there's something that's kind of, I'll say weird that goes on in the Breath of the Wild aesthetic. And I keep saying aesthetic in this episode because I don't know what else to call it, but art style. And I don't even know it's art style, but choices.

David Geisler:

The Zora and the Rito, they'll have different characters will emulate different races of that base animal. Let me say that another way. So it's like it's like if you're sitting there, you're going like, well, what are saying? This guy looks like an owl and that one looks like a parrot and that one looks like a falcon.

Kady Roberts:

How

David Geisler:

does this work from an evolution point of view? How are they like? You know, that doesn't seem that that's hard to put together. And like with the Zoras, it's like some look like a man array, some look like a sharks. Yeah.

David Geisler:

The king looks like a big, huge whale. And I'm realizing that it's like, I wonder if they're more like magically imbued with these spirits that have that have actualized in them. Or it's just, you know, it's just creative, creative choices being creative. It's like, Oh, well, let's have the owl be the wise old owl, you know, of the of the village. Oh, maybe Kabura Kabura Kabura connection there.

David Geisler:

But he doesn't kind of have that that that style to him. But, you know, he gives you the extra bow and stuff. Looks out for you. Remember like being pleased to meet him.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I mean, with everything, can always tie back to the goddesses and be like, Oh, maybe the goddesses did this because of these characteristics and they're naturally because maybe you're like, Oh, maybe these races have a thing of like when you're born and you look a certain way, maybe you naturally have these tendencies to you or these characteristics. Yeah. Because, you know, like you said, it's same as Zora Sighton is the shark, and he's very out there and really bold and will just jump in without thinking. And then the manta ray, he's like an older man and a little more laid back and a little more cautious.

Kady Roberts:

So it yeah, I'm manta

David Geisler:

ray visually kind of leans into the like droopy look of the shark. If well, you know, isn't in tears of the kingdom. Who's the gal that comes from from outside of Hyrule to marry Sidon?

Kady Roberts:

Oh, Mipha. I think that was her. Not

David Geisler:

Mipha. Not Mipha. Mipha. But it's close.

Kady Roberts:

What is her name?

David Geisler:

But she's kind of a manta ray look, right?

Kady Roberts:

Think she I think she's a I'm going to lose my mind.

David Geisler:

It's Okay. There's a video episode and I'm pulling us off, but but. I think I personally, I mean,

Kady Roberts:

Fiona, that's her name.

David Geisler:

We all know what's going on here. What's going on is that these are these are artistic choices, just like, Oh, this kind of look of an animal looks cute. You know, I don't think that they're all like magically transformed at birth or anything like that. And I don't really want to get into this too much, but but it did strike me. I was kind of like, Wait, why is that one an owl?

David Geisler:

Why is that one? Yeah, a falcon.

Kady Roberts:

No. Yeah. Now that you say that I'm looking at pictures of Yona. She's odd. She doesn't really fit into.

David Geisler:

Can I see?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Any of the the tights. She looks like she's a shark, but she also looks like a

David Geisler:

Oh, she got the big kind of manta ray ears, but she has spikes up front.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah,

David Geisler:

I don't I feel she's manta ray because she's got the tail coming off the back. Yeah, you know,

Kady Roberts:

I agree, which is great for me. I love manta rays.

David Geisler:

We also we don't have to deep dive into this because if we're going to do this, then we have to figure out why eating rocks with the Gorons actually gives them sustenance and like how they process that. We don't have to do any of this. But I love it, though. I'll chief. I'll chief is cool.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I'll chief is cool. Yeah, I don't know. Those are like the main ones that stick out to me. Do you have any others that like kind of pique your interest?

David Geisler:

I remember being tremendously irritated by the guy who didn't want to do anything and then you eventually talk him into helping with Tarrytown.

Kady Roberts:

Right. I love the Terrytown quest.

David Geisler:

I didn't at first and it really came around and now I enjoy it quite a bit. I like the lore behind Terrytown quite a bit.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I will say also, just I love seeing all the female races in Gerudo City. So, yeah, seeing some of like the female Rideau sitting around, also the male Rideau sitting around the bazaar that can't go in. I think one of them you like have to try and like help him cool down and like get him something. I can't quite remember, but he is like, Oh, it's so hot out here.

David Geisler:

There's a well, there's a in Breath of the Wild, there's a the the physic tonic drink or the prestige tonic drink or whatever that's you help that lady cool down at one of the shrines. That's not what you're talking about.

Kady Roberts:

No, that's that's a Gerudo woman. Yeah. They help with. I think there's I might not even be a quest line. Maybe I just thought in my brain I was like, Oh, maybe I can give you this and I couldn't.

Kady Roberts:

But yeah, there's some Rito that hang out around the pool and they're talking about how hot it

David Geisler:

is. Okay, Okay, cool.

Kady Roberts:

Which is funny because it's also like, Oh, it's a little birdbath.

David Geisler:

Birdbath. I love it. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Cool.

David Geisler:

That was kind of it. Remember enjoying the not the shop, but the hotel in Rideau Village. Oh, yeah, there's the yeah, the Rideau Village because that's also where the kids hang out as well. They'll jump into the little hammocks, but it's also kind of you kind of sleep there and kind of not. They're like, help my mom out.

David Geisler:

How did you feel about Rideau Village in general?

Kady Roberts:

I think Rideau Village is so pretty. Yeah, I. I really like the high esthetic. I liked the the cold. We had to like have a little outfit that had the little like the feathers and it kind of look like a Rito.

Kady Roberts:

Everyone there is so friendly to all the Rito seem very friendly to me. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah, actually, you're right. With the exception of Rivali and Antiva just being a little matter of fact, I think all the rest of them are are pretty, pretty friendly. And then the guy who doesn't want to do anything but then ends up building the town. But otherwise, yeah, it's pretty good vibes.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, pretty good vibes all around, you know. I was kind of opposed to,

David Geisler:

I

Kady Roberts:

don't know, in my head, the Zora are a little bit more standoffish, a lot of them. But I do like the Zora a lot. They're probably my favorite race.

David Geisler:

Cool. Cool. Well, where else are we going with? What else you got for Rito?

Kady Roberts:

Oh, I don't know if I have anything else.

David Geisler:

Tears of the kingdom? Anything?

Kady Roberts:

I mean, tears of the kingdom. My boy, Tulin.

David Geisler:

Let's talk about Tulin a little bit more than in tears.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I mean

David Geisler:

He's one of the few that I keep turned on, I guess you could say.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, absolutely. He's one of the few I do. He's he was the first one I picked up, which they kind of send you there first.

David Geisler:

Yeah. That's what I did too. Yeah. Yeah. The Rideau Village is kind of the Zoras domain of of Tears of Kingdom where Breath of Wild everyone kind of goes to Zoras First.

David Geisler:

Though when I replayed Breath, I went to Rideau First and it was really nice to have that Revolie Gale jumping around during during the wet hills of Zora. Yeah,

Kady Roberts:

yeah. Something just about to win something about that, like, I guess in a way, the younger link aesthetic where there's like this young hero that's kind of trying to prove himself and trying to save Zelda and all this different stuff and seeing in a way, like kind of take up a predecessor, kind of where he's like, All right, you're going to come with me and we're going to do this together and I'm going to show you how to do things. And just that team up is really interesting and really fun to me, where they both rely on each other really heavily. Whereas, you know, Saadon can kind of just hold his own. Yeah, All of the others can kind of hold their own, but like Tullen and Link really have to rely on each other.

David Geisler:

Yeah, that's true. That's cool. I like that. I also think that when it comes to choose of the kingdom, if if Nintendo would have had a little more and I think Nintendo would admit this, I think they made the right choice if they would have had a little more time to tweak the AI of the characters that follow Link. I don't think they would have been spirits.

David Geisler:

I think they would have been just the characters following,

Kady Roberts:

which I would have loved.

David Geisler:

It would have been so cool. But the reason the reason they have to be spirits is because once in a while Link will climb on a cliff and like, what are you going do with these guys? And so you got to turn them into little sparks and put them into his little, you know, into his hand or whatever. And then so there's they had to like or if one person gets one of the characters gets caught up on a step, they can spark around. It's like bubbling in Super Mario Bros.

David Geisler:

But if they were able to get, it would have been. It's cool to have these blue characters follow you around. But if it would have been just like actual them, actually, which I think is actually now I'm realizing it's kind of an extension of the sidekick trope that happens with Zelda. You know, Navi and then and then Midna and then other characters that actually just fully on full on follow you. So Midna.

David Geisler:

Doesn't. She's on your body. Oh, I'm thinking about Star Fox Adventures. Star Fox Adventures was the first game where your Na'vi character was a literal second character that followed you around. His little Triceratops that would run around with you.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, that's so cute.

David Geisler:

We'll probably do Star Fox Adventures as one of our We've only done one so far, but Zelda like games where we play a game that's like a Zelda game and we review it. Yeah. I feel like Star Fox Adventures and probably Okami's in there too and stuff we should do. We didn't The Sonic Frontiers.

Kady Roberts:

The Sonic Breath of the Wild as it was marketed.

David Geisler:

Kind of. I think I think there's like one or two that there's there's this there's this game that just came out that looks like a Game Boy game called Kudzu, which is very much like Link's Awakening spiritual, not successor, not at all, but just like in the line of that kind of thing. So it would have been so nice, so much fun to have Tool and just actually there. But but for all intents and purposes, he is through his little spirit.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I don't think. Well, yeah, he wouldn't be because Age of Calamity came out before tears. So probably before they had thought up with Tulin. But yeah, you can't have Tulin fight with you like the others in Age of Calamity.

David Geisler:

Oh my gosh, I never realized that.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Because like you can have Siodon and Mifa, you can have the two Gorons and the two Gerudo and I think even Rivali and Teba. Yeah. So yeah, Teba takes his place in the or I guess Tiba stays in his place until tears.

David Geisler:

Do you know what it is? Because Age of Calamity came out and they probably hadn't decided to Tulin being a character. Of course.

Kady Roberts:

Because, yeah, I don't think Tulin shows up at all in calamity. So that was way before they had even

David Geisler:

thought And also like older, not your bossa. What's the who's the Rita? Raju? Who's our who's our Gerudo queen who's like a 12 year old in the first game and then she's aged up in the second Let

Kady Roberts:

me see. I love her and I'm sad that I R

David Geisler:

A J U. We're really we're killing it.

Kady Roberts:

Gerudo chief girl. Riju.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Riju. Oh, Riju. Yeah,

Kady Roberts:

she's in it. Yeah. Or most

David Geisler:

of them are like little character or is her

Kady Roberts:

current Oh, because it takes place. You know, alternate timeline past thing

David Geisler:

100%,

Kady Roberts:

is why it's like, oh, this isn't a canon game, but I think it's still kind of fun.

David Geisler:

I think it's kind of fun too, and you've actually helped me realize that.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I think it's it's fun. I mainly like it for seeing how the characters interact and also seeing how the world used to look. So I really

David Geisler:

like that was my favorite thing. Sometimes I just walk around those levels. And I don't even fight. I just look at the Apple stands and I.

Kady Roberts:

That's what I do whenever I'm in the Hyrule Castle. That's also what I do. I started playing Mario Kart with some of my friends recently and they have a Zelda Hyrule Castle Town.

David Geisler:

They definitely do.

Kady Roberts:

And I just am in awe driving around looking at everything.

David Geisler:

It's kind of a generic generalized kind of Ocarina kind of Twilight Princess.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, really Zelda Town. Twilight to me.

David Geisler:

But it's great. Mhmm. Cool. Well, how about this then? We both noticed that there weren't any Rideau in Echoes of Wisdom.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, it was kind

David Geisler:

of sad. Yeah, we spoke to that a little bit. Maybe we couldn't figure out, maybe they could fly around, maybe it would break the game or something. But if you going forward, I mean, feels like a silly question. Would you like to see the reader again?

David Geisler:

Of course, it's gonna be yes. Right? But

Kady Roberts:

I would say I would love to have to to have the races that are in breath and tears and also expand them with the the little guys in Echoes. The the the the wood people that

David Geisler:

should. Oh, Daeku, Daeku, really get them all together, really try

Kady Roberts:

to get them all together. Yes, I would love the Daeku to like come back and be a fully formed race alongside the Koroks, and they both can kind of live in the same area together. I think that would be really cute. And then you still can have the Zora and the Goran's and the Gerudo and the Rito and all of the lovelies. It'd be great.

David Geisler:

Oh my gosh. So you'd have Rivers Zora and

Kady Roberts:

I would

David Geisler:

see Zora, the whole thing, a real cornucopia.

Kady Roberts:

I would love that. I would love that so much. It would have to be a really big game, but I think it'd be really fun. Another big open world game with everyone.

David Geisler:

Interesting. Interesting. Well, with that, maybe we we let it be because I think we're going to go record a little bonus episode about the Ocarina of Time remake that might be coming off the Switch two. We're going do that. That's going be a Patreon exclusive because it's kind of a more newsy thing that was just kind of leaked today.

David Geisler:

But it does mean when you mentioned that it makes me think like, oh, no, no Rito and Ocarina of Time, but just, you know, kind of kind of what what Zelda might be next. It feels like they could be doing kind of going back to basics and then maybe it's another open world one. Who knows? Yeah. But anyway, with that, Katie, I am David Geisler and you can find me on Instagram and all of the social media things at Raptor Paint.

David Geisler:

That's it for me.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I am Katie Roberts, and you can find me on Instagram and also on TikTok now at the letters K D Stargazer. And also, I sometimes do a radio show on the weekends. It's still not like I had. I don't have a set schedule yet, but I have been doing it on Saturdays and sometimes Sundays on Rock ninety five five here in Chicago.

David Geisler:

Yeah, you're you're on air on Mike live.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, it's really fun. It's really cool.

David Geisler:

Some of those some of those sometimes you tick tock or I've seen your Instagram shorts from being in the studio. Yeah. You said stuff out, which is cool. I just started a tick tock as well, but it was just really because we do, have an AZP tick tock. We have an AZP Instagram, YouTube shorts, all this stuff.

David Geisler:

But I had a personal one just so I could check the easy stuff. And then just the other day I started realizing like, I'll at least just because every time we play Dungeons and Dragons, I'll take we'll take some pictures of the board. And I was like, maybe my personal, I don't know, TikTok will just be pictures of like the board and kind of what's going on with the story.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I've always had TikTok when I was younger and

David Geisler:

it was still like,

Kady Roberts:

I've always had TikTok. I have. I had it since the days of Musically. Musically was great. I had to purge my account, though, because I in middle school, I was like, I'm going to be a cosplayer.

Kady Roberts:

And it was really bad. And I made a lot of videos. Some of them did kind of pop off. But it's like one of those things when you reach high school and you look back and you're like, I need to get rid of every piece of evidence

David Geisler:

of these things.

Kady Roberts:

So I didn't have anything posted until I started doing on air, and I'm like, I need to start posting a lot more to get people. So yeah,

David Geisler:

that's cool. People can find the show at another Zelda podcast on all the things, all the TikToks, Instagrams and blue skies and Xs and Facebooks and and all the rest. We I think most of our presence is kind of on YouTube with all their shorts and stuff that we're doing that on. Oh yeah, actually, I've been kind of spicing up the Instagram again a lot. Spicy.

David Geisler:

Yeah, well, not spicy. Not that way, but like I've been like really getting stuff out a little bit more. It's been lot of fun trying to catch up on that. So the Instagram has been a lot of fun as well. All right.

David Geisler:

Cool. Otherwise, people can always go to our website anotherZeldapodcast.com where they can find all the things and listen to all the things. And I guess lastly, just before we go, one more shout out. I'm so proud that another Pokemon Podcast as of this recording, it's been by the time you hear this, probably they've been done for about a month, but they just successfully finished their first season, a twenty episode season. They did fantastic.

David Geisler:

They are right now, I'm really excited to say the second most popular 65 media show, and they've only they've only been out for one season. So all the people that listen to our show and listen to their show and bounce back and forth and the rest, I'm so proud of the content they're making. And if you haven't listened to another Pokemon podcast yet and you're kind of curious, go check them out because they've got a whole first season ready for you to listen to. And they did just a wonderful job.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Even if you don't know about Pokemon and you're just curious, Pokemon's so fun and you don't have to be like a super fan to be into it.

David Geisler:

Well, that's been my experience. I I I knew Galliotrat and Bex, the two hosts, and they I mean, they're a couple. They're just normal with each other. They're wonderful. And I don't know anything about Pokemon, as I said at the beginning of this episode.

David Geisler:

And I've actually been learning about Pokemon through the I love it.

Kady Roberts:

It's great.

David Geisler:

All right.

Kady Roberts:

All right. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. We're going to head out and probably record our Ocarina of Time.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. We'll do that. We're doing we're doing a two and a half for tonight because we're also gonna do the next episode. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Top 10 items we wish we had in real life. That's gonna be the next official episode.

Kady Roberts:

Yes, sir. Alright.

David Geisler:

10 items we wish we had in real life. I've got some fun picks because some are like, they're great in the game, but in real life, would be they'd be that great?

Kady Roberts:

That's kind of the

David Geisler:

fun bit.

Kady Roberts:

I did some, but I'm like, I want these now.

David Geisler:

Cool. Well, you we'll see y'all in two weeks where you can listen to that episode.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. See you.