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Interviewing indie founders about their journey and their products. itslaunchday.com
Dagobert (00:01)
Okay, let's do this. Andrew, nice to meet you. After all this time on Twitter and you've been so supportive of the first launch day and everything, ⁓ so I'm very glad to meet you.
@AndrewC0des (00:05)
Hey, Dago
It's real pleasure and I'm glad you've launched it's launch day and it was a lot of fun jumping on the live Twitter stream with you and all the super smart tech people and are way smarter than me to troubleshoot it on that first iconic launch day. So that was a pleasure and that's led to ⁓ a lot of fun ideas for me.
Dagobert (00:32)
Thanks.
And so you're my first interview of the day and it's 5 a.m. for you in Washington, D.C. Is that right? my God. You're brave. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (00:44)
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. 530 and got up at 4 a.m. to prepare.
Let me get dressed. Let me put on my nice polo for for Dago.
Dagobert (00:54)
Yeah, yeah, you know, don't be naked in public yet Yeah, man, so, you know, I don't really know you though. So I'm actually curious, you know, what's your Who are you like? How do you become an indie maker? Like what are you doing? Like what's your story? Like, you know, can you like tell me about it? Because I'm like not knowing
@AndrewC0des (01:18)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I've been coding for probably 15 years now since high school-ish-ish, you know, doing WordPress stuff in high school and ⁓ creating the first website for my high school's ⁓ newspaper. So I was doing that in high school and then I was really inspired by some events happening in my area.
in Washington DC when I was entering college, they said there was like a dearth or like a lack of cybersecurity professionals. And I had been doing an internship at the Pentagon and I heard Defense Secretary Leon Panetta warn of like a cyber attack or like a cyber Pearl Harbor. yeah, ⁓ so I decided to study cybersecurity and
Information technology and go down that path. I originally wanted to be a photographer but I got to talk to yeah, a National Geographic photographer at their headquarters in DC and just hear about his life and the life of a photographer is not easy traveling around the country like almost like van life or bumming it trying to make it and I was like I want a family and my cousin Had like this big family in California and he got laid off like wait recession
but got a job immediately after and he was doing IT. So that's...
Dagobert (02:46)
It seems like you
have many interests and that you're a very curious person. Because I noticed on the first launch day, you were hyping everybody, looking at every product, you were super excited about everything. You helped me, you made a video of the first launch day. It seems like you have a billion things going on. So is that true?
@AndrewC0des (02:50)
Thanks.
Yeah, it's true right now. So like you I have my darker phases and I went to a trip to London and exited one of those darker phases and ⁓ So yeah before like the past six months. I couldn't open my laptop. I was afraid of it. I couldn't code at all Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I couldn't do anything. I just fell into ⁓ you know, kind of ⁓ a deep depression, I guess and
Dagobert (03:25)
⁓ interesting. What was that? What happened?
And was it,
can you talk about, was it caused by something related to entrepreneurship or was it just personal thing or you don't know?
@AndrewC0des (03:43)
⁓
I guess work related and then stress is at home and then I don't know if you've seen the news here, but we had a big election and then ⁓ it got kind of crazy in DC and ⁓ Yeah, the new Trump administration ⁓ Yeah, so a lot of anxiety in my mind and ⁓ Yeah, just with a bad trip to London this past spring really brought me out of it. And so since then I've been
Dagobert (03:54)
yeah, that.
Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (04:12)
coding like daily, which I couldn't pick up my computer before. So praise God I'm able to now. ⁓
Dagobert (04:20)
It's also
media, know, I feel like when we look too much at what's happening, because like we don't have control. Even if you're in DC, you're in the same city, but you don't have control. And like, it's just a nightmare, you know, like you're just like seeing this thing and it's easy to fall into this loop, you know, like there's many things you can do, know, there's so many things you can look at and just feel like shit for.
@AndrewC0des (04:26)
Yes.
Not at all.
Dagobert (04:44)
infinity, like if you just keep doing that and it's easy because like, because there's always some point where it's gonna seem really important. Like it really seems like, no, but like it's really, I cannot be happy if this is happening in the world, you know, it really feels this way sometimes. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (05:01)
Yeah,
you're spot on there. And I'm like a news junkie, or I was. Like my dad would read the newspaper growing up, Washington Post, our local paper, and ⁓ I kind of became obsessed with it. And I would read it daily, just like you said. And I would spend like four hours reading the paper daily versus like being able to code. So not productive.
Dagobert (05:20)
You were
reading like the actual paper or like the website?
@AndrewC0des (05:24)
on the website and I used to...
Dagobert (05:25)
Because you know, I
noticed the news websites, they updated themselves to be like social media now. So now there's always some breaking news, like some bullshit breaking news. And so, when you read the paper, like a few months ago I made an experiment, I started buying the paper. That's a completely different experience. It's slow, it's not stressful. ⁓ interesting. It's not the same.
@AndrewC0des (05:53)
Bye.
Dagobert (05:55)
Actually, maybe we should do a paper with social media posts, you know. And... Da koviko.
@AndrewC0des (05:58)
Yeah, that'd be a fun project. Yeah,
I like bringing that digital stuff ⁓ into reality. So that's why I really liked on the first launch day that guy mailed kiwis or something like it. Yeah, yeah.
Dagobert (06:12)
Yeah, Jack
O'Brien. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (06:16)
Yeah, I'm gonna try that for a couple of my friends that shun social media or shun digital anything. I'm gonna send them the AI-generated postcards.
Dagobert (06:26)
Yeah, I think that might be big. That might be a big thing soon because I feel like AI is taking over, so we're going to need to reconnect somehow. And maybe, and all of these social platforms, they're not social anymore. Like it's mostly content and entertainment. And maybe the next social platform will be...
@AndrewC0des (06:46)
Yeah.
Dagobert (06:53)
some paper thing, like not just paper, of course it will be online, but also there could be a component of slowness, realness, know, writing each other letters or something. I don't know, like something like that. think it's like, you know, it's like Peter Thiel, like who is crazy, but he's also very smart. And, you know, he invested in the in the cheating Olympics, like the Olympics where you can dope.
@AndrewC0des (07:04)
Yeah, I'm up.
I'm
You
Dagobert (07:22)
the Olympics where you can take drugs. And it's going to be next year, I think, and people can compete, but there's no limits on whatever products you take. So people are going to beat world records. They're going to probably kill themselves, but it's kind of fun to watch. But his point was like, I mean, despite the very provocative thing, the point was also it's a real thing. It's not digital. It's an event.
@AndrewC0des (07:25)
my gosh.
my gosh. Yeah.
Dagobert (07:50)
And he's like thinking, what can I create that's an amazing event? Well, Olympics is already taken. I'm going to do doped Olympics. And I just realized now you have basically, you're going to have three levels. You're to have Paralympics, regular Olympics, and doped Olympics. Like it's just like crazy. So yeah, I want to watch this. It seems disgusting, but like it's kind of like Mr. Beast. Like it's disgusting, but you want to watch, you know, it's like, my God. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (07:58)
my gosh.
Dagobert (08:20)
Not sure it's good though.
@AndrewC0des (08:20)
And
yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm actually building another app ⁓ called bro tap dot app and it's a real life social network that my buddy mentioned to me. And so the game is you have bros join your ⁓ bro network in real life. And the only way they can join it is by using NFC near field communication by tapping your phones.
Dagobert (08:27)
Yeah.
Okay.
@AndrewC0des (08:46)
Yeah. And then he...
Dagobert (08:48)
Yeah, it's it's Pokemon
Go social media basically like users go out and find friends
@AndrewC0des (08:53)
Uh, yeah, didn't think of it like that. Yeah, that brings it down pretty easily. um, then in order to join your network, he has to buy you a coffee per month. So he's paying you one coffee per month to join your network. And he can have people join his network. And whenever that happens, you get like 20 % of his cut.
Dagobert (09:16)
that's a Ponzi scheme!
@AndrewC0des (09:17)
Yeah, it's like a voluntary Ponzi scheme, ⁓ they can only
stay in your network if you meet with them once per month. Otherwise they're gone. So you have to meet once per month in real life.
Dagobert (09:30)
It's interesting because you
know I have a friend I haven't seen in a few weeks because I'm always like no I'm busy but he's basically my only friend here and so you know I'm just alone because of this and that's stupid but if I had this app I'm like shit I need to go see him and tap my phone to not lose him as a friend and not just live on social media maybe that could help yeah
@AndrewC0des (09:36)
Thank
Dagobert (09:56)
So.
You told me before this interview that you were thinking of maybe showing a different product or whatever. So what are the products you're building? I mean, you're showing one product right now and we're going to talk about it, but I'm just curious, as I said earlier, like, seem like you have many interests. So I guess you have lots of ideas at once. you know, how did you, what are you working on in general? You know, what interests you and how did you come to build this product?
@AndrewC0des (10:08)
So, so, so, so, so, so,
Yeah, yeah, so we hopped on that live stream to troubleshoot and three hours later we had a working website for you and then so I really enjoyed I guess you're publicly building this website publicly failing to start up and just making it happen and sharing this with the world I find very fascinating and encouraging for me that someone that
scrolled away on my own projects for the last five years and never released anything. And so I'm doing the opposite now. ⁓ right now I'm really excited about another app ⁓ called ⁓ realburst.ai. And so you can give it any YouTube URL and it'll automatically transcribe it, diarize it, which is the fancy word for knowing my voice from yours. ⁓
Dagobert (10:59)
hear you. ⁓
@AndrewC0des (11:22)
will actually even watch the video so it hears the sounds, the highlights, the fast clips and it uses all this AI magic to put together the perfect clips just for you. And so you don't have to spend like an hour watching this content. And then for consumers, well creators like me, I am I'm kind of selfish. I build things I want to exist because I need them and
Dagobert (11:36)
I see.
@AndrewC0des (11:51)
I do a lot of photography, videography, but it just sits on a hard drive. And so it's something I could personally use. I could upload my clips, my videos, and get something I can share on TikTok, on YouTube reels, or Instagram reels, guess, on YouTube shorts. And that's why I started building it. But I'm really excited for the consumer portion, where you sign in with YouTube and you choose which
subscribers you wanted to auto-generate Reels for. And so if you ⁓ watch a lot of documentaries, educational content, ⁓ startup stuff, that stuff can be very long and then this is like your own personalized algorithm that ⁓ just shows you that content in Reel form.
Dagobert (12:24)
Okay.
Yeah, it reminds me of these ⁓ tools to sum up the news or something. So you're doing that for YouTube, but creating engaging content from it.
@AndrewC0des (12:58)
Exactly, and then I'm gonna have
an audio only mode too because I listen to lot of podcasts But there's just so many nowadays and so it's gonna do the same thing for podcasts
Dagobert (13:03)
Yeah.
Is that the product you're presenting in this launch day or is that something else? Okay, I'm just not sure. Okay. That sounds awesome as well. That sounds cool. Cause you know, I was, using some software to generate the clips for these podcasts and ⁓
@AndrewC0des (13:16)
Yeah, thank ⁓ you.
Dagobert (13:30)
But yeah, but it's just like technical. It's like you generate the clips. It's like for a video editor or someone who's independent like me. But I haven't seen like something do it for the consumer side. So that's quite interesting. You know, that it's more like.
That's really cool. I like this idea, but okay, now tell us about the other idea.
@AndrewC0des (13:53)
Yeah, so it's called Chattamus and I've been obsessed with AI since ChatGPT launched and I joined on day one November 30th, 2022 and I use it in my professional work life and I use it all the time at home and it's just a game changer for me and it's the way I'm able to produce so much content right now. I noticed I wrote
Dagobert (14:06)
Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (14:20)
Well, AI wrote 20,000 lines of code or changed and edited 20,000 lines of code for me this past week. And that's just like insane. I would have never done that as a normal human. so Chathamis is...
Dagobert (14:33)
Well, when you code
as a human, you probably only write 8000 lines, but I mean for the same purpose, but still. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (14:38)
Hehehehehe
You're right.
I didn't think of it like that. I sure don't write unit tests. I don't write functional tests. And yeah, it's more precise, my code. Yeah, that's true. But Chattamus, it's meant to be like a real life Cortana or Jarvis, if either Halo or the Iron Man series. Yeah, so it's like your AI companion. And it's the AI that listens. So instead of chatting with it,
It's actually meant to listen and talk to you and discreetly give you advice. And so ideally it's in your AirPods, it's using your AirPods microphone and then it would listen to a conversation like ours and it would jump in with like tidbits or interesting facts, insights that I could throw out my conversation. Like it could be looking up Dago's background.
while we're talking and be like, ask Dago about this product. Ask him about his last exit. He sold this for 50K or he did this for five years. He was into design before. He could look up that back in information and tell me in real time and tell me discreetly.
Dagobert (15:43)
wow.
Do you have it running now while we're talking?
@AndrewC0des (15:58)
I do not. That would have been good. But ⁓ yeah, I'll start it on my iPhone here because this is the only way it can detect our voices apart and then I'll start it on the Mac as well. So let me get it set up on the Mac. And right now it's working in real time. It took me two years to build this thing and I didn't give up. I didn't give up. ⁓
Dagobert (16:04)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because when you talk about the promise, it seems quite good, like it seems like kind of holy shit. So yeah, I guess it's not two minutes. Okay, so I can't really see what it's saying, but like, can you tell us a bit what's happening?
@AndrewC0des (16:33)
Yeah.
Yeah.
⁓
Yeah, so it shows in blue my voice, identifies me as speaker one, and then ⁓ it identifies Dago as speaker two in green, and then it has a bug where it's also identifying one of us as speaker three, but it's, yeah, throwing in like ⁓ comments about real-time voice identification can revolutionize conversations.
Dagobert (16:56)
Okay.
@AndrewC0des (17:05)
⁓ Speaker identification tech is for clearer communications. right now it'll I joke about it. I make fun of my own product and they say it's there when you want really bland comments in your conversation. So it takes some tuning. But if you like started talking about ⁓ what's it called? Like if you started saying lies or something, it's pretty good at picking that up. So if I said like the word, you know, dog or the war of 1812.
Dagobert (17:18)
Okay, okay, okay.
@AndrewC0des (17:35)
was actually between American France and not Great Britain. know, that's something... that's ⁓ something it should pick up about. And it's not working.
Dagobert (17:41)
my god, shut up, I don't believe you.
It's your Steve Jobs moment. Yeah, it's
@AndrewC0des (17:56)
Yeah, but let me,
shall I share my screen?
Dagobert (17:59)
Yeah, yeah, no, but we can also, you know, we'll add the demo later, but yeah.
@AndrewC0des (18:02)
Okay. Yeah, so it
picked it up. says the War of 1812 was primarily against Great Britain, not France!
Yeah, so I'm glad that's working. And I'll start a recording on my phone just as well so you guys can see it natively there. And then I'm bringing out my screen. And the screen should come up.
I'm
my screen And then this is chat amiss Just running on my simulator So now we can see it's doing transcription in real time and then I got my log messages and
Dagobert (18:51)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (18:56)
I don't think it's picking up UV of the Mac, so that's the thing.
Dagobert (19:01)
Yeah, not sure. Let me see if I see what I'm saying.
@AndrewC0des (19:05)
No. yeah it is, but it thinks you're... cool, so I'm shocked. Right, it did hear, but then it's like, that's speaker 2. Huh.
Dagobert (19:08)
He thinks it's the same speaker, maybe? Anyway.
Okay.
@AndrewC0des (19:19)
Yeah, so that's better than I thought.
And then it stopped. no. So it works a lot better on dedicated hardware. Right now I'm doing live.
Dagobert (19:31)
Simulator
must be hard to identify the voices and pass through, especially now we're recording on the same computer that you are using.
@AndrewC0des (19:38)
Exactly. So let me
build it and launch it as the Mac app and we'll see if we get better results. Err. This dumb thing. And I gotta just tell it it's okay to launch to my Mac because it's like, what is this code?
Dagobert (19:54)
So did you officially launch it? Did you already market it?
@AndrewC0des (19:58)
Yeah, yeah, it's, anyone can sign up for it and ⁓ get the wicked founders discount ⁓ going on right now. Chattamiss.com, but for this event, I wanted to beat that. ⁓
Dagobert (20:08)
Yeah.
Yeah,
we'll keep the discount on the website because I think it's going to be clearer because I'm afraid if people listen to this at a different time. So I think we shouldn't talk about the discount on the video because it can change.
@AndrewC0des (20:29)
Mmm, okay.
But ⁓ I wanted to say I beat out that other guy Netherlens or Nethers or something. I wanted to beat him by 1%. He was very generous.
Dagobert (20:38)
Yeah, nice deals.
Okay, I Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (20:45)
Yeah, so it's actually working, which is kind of cool.
And I have a client that's a doctor for another app I'm building in the Healthier space with him and his wife, like he and she do like property management and they own hundreds of apartment buildings. And so she wants to use it when she's negotiating over like a buy. And so let's say they're trying to buy 10 apartments for a million dollars. Chattamis could be like, hey, Cynthia actually, you know,
Dagobert (21:11)
Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (21:20)
This is a bad area. I see online that it takes 15 minutes for the ambulance to arrive. Police take 30 minutes. And based upon this, compared to two miles down, where it's only five minute response time, you can negotiate for like $100,000 off this buy.
Dagobert (21:40)
I don't get it.
@AndrewC0des (21:42)
So, Chattamis would be able to give her those crime statistics and advice in real time while she's negotiating with the other party.
Dagobert (21:47)
⁓
I see, I see. It reminds me a bit of this, you know, Clueless thing where it's about cheating on everything, this very trendy thing, you know. It's like where he just listens to you and just gives you some tips. It makes me think of that. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (22:07)
⁓
that's pretty cool. Yeah, I'll have to check that out. Otherwise on Twitter, like students or people will reach out to me about it and be like, hey, you should use this for students in the class. And that's like a possibility for sure. And it would be able to run offline in that case. I'm going to have offline transcriptions at least. And ⁓ maybe with Apple finally launching their Apple intelligence this fall, I'll be able to run their
large language models on Apple hardware and have it completely offline.
Dagobert (22:40)
Well, if you help
students cheat, you're definitely going to have a lot of marketing for free, which is good. I'm not kidding. It's not the best strategy. mean, it's not. Then there's a matter of ethics. But in terms of marketing, easy.
@AndrewC0des (22:54)
Yes.
Yeah, so this is that. ⁓ Ethical considerations in AI use are becoming increasingly important. Yes, chatamist.
Dagobert (23:11)
And so what's the vision? What are the next things you would like to build with this? Where are you going with this?
@AndrewC0des (23:16)
Yeah, so I'm going to have a Chattamiss marketplace where something that's very hot right now is MCP in the AI space, and that's a model context protocol. It's USB for AI apps to talk to each other. And so you'll be able to come to Chattamiss and then you'll be able to build your own Chattamiss version. And if people start using that, then you'll get revenue from it as well.
Dagobert (23:28)
Yeah.
and what will be different in your own version.
@AndrewC0des (23:45)
So, like this is the prompts and everything I did generically for Chatham is just to work and someone else might build one for sales or they might build one for like ⁓ reminding them of appointments throughout the day. I plan to have an integration with your calendar, that kind of thing.
Dagobert (24:11)
So that might be a B2B play for you, like where people can build their own chat in the same way, like white label it or something, or maybe not, but like, it sounds like a B2B play here maybe.
@AndrewC0des (24:23)
I like B2B because I hear that's where the money is or at least my mentor said that. Well, I'm all about these consumer apps. So yeah, definitely worth exploring. And ⁓ yeah.
Dagobert (24:34)
Because I've seen that, I've seen like Tony Den from Typing Mind, I think he went B2B too, where it's like for consumers to have like a better interface for all their chat, I mean all their GPTs, but then you can also, you know, buy it and use it for your own company and limit things to your employees. But the tech is cool, like when I look at your thing, like it looks clean, it looks nice.
@AndrewC0des (24:41)
Hmm.
⁓ Yeah, that's a good play, you're right.
Dagobert (25:03)
Design is nice, seems easy. I can see you put a lot of work into it. So yeah, there's definitely potential there. That's interesting. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (25:11)
I appreciate
that, Doggo. And ⁓ I see what you mean by the B2B as well. So I do enterprise IT support and support millions of Americans daily in certain applications I help out and I help troubleshoot with. so, ⁓ yeah, that could be an angle in giving them private data and that kind of thing.
Dagobert (25:33)
Yeah, 100%.
@AndrewC0des (25:39)
And here's one of the bugs as well. stops, like it's doing bi-directional audio streaming and it's broken its connection with my chat jpt. And so I also plan to allow like Gemini, allow Claude. And so you could use it with any of your preferred large language models, the foundation models, yeah.
Dagobert (25:45)
Yeah.
I see.
then it's a matter of like, because like if you really B2C, I'm not sure consumers care about this, you know.
@AndrewC0des (26:13)
They don't care about the model?
Dagobert (26:15)
Yeah, I mean it depends who you target. If you target developers for sure, but if you target just some person driving a taxi, I'm not sure.
@AndrewC0des (26:16)
Right.
that's a good
point. Yeah. And as a consumer, I want it like the auto choice as well. And I think Cursor did a good job with their auto choice natively for agents.
Dagobert (26:35)
Yeah I see that a lot, I haven't tried it because I need to have control but I've heard that auto works great so I should try it. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (26:43)
I have to review all of its code now because I spent eight hours over like a stupid thing last weekend. Eight hours and I could have done it myself and I was so upset. Yeah, you gotta review the code and then now I always review the code. And I tell it to write unit test and regression test especially because it'll just like go off and break everything.
Dagobert (26:58)
Yeah.
It does, it does, it's crazy man, like sometimes, like.
⁓ Do you mind stop sharing your screen so I can see you again? ⁓
@AndrewC0des (27:15)
Sure, yeah, yeah. And
if I may ask, Dongo, are you building anything else right now?
Dagobert (27:22)
⁓ am I building anything else? No, I'm not building anything else. I'm thinking of other things.
@AndrewC0des (27:29)
Okay.
Dagobert (27:31)
Thanks. Yeah, it's just that the only thing...
@AndrewC0des (27:32)
Yeah.
Dagobert (27:37)
It's about passion, right? It's about what can you build that you really give a shit about? Because I know this. And it's hard to find something you really give a shit about and also that you can bring value with. You know, something that's the mix of your skills, your talent, what's an opportunity right now and that you love to do. So far, launch day is this. A little bit.
@AndrewC0des (27:52)
Yes.
Dagobert (28:06)
Not 100 % but close. One big regret I have is, ⁓ you know, I had this logo design startup and I had so many ideas for pivoting and everything and I thought we could make it big. But, you know, I separated with my ex, who was my wife and co-founder. Now she has it, which, you know, because it was mostly her doing all the logos, so it makes sense.
@AndrewC0des (28:19)
Gosh.
Dagobert (28:31)
I mean, I cannot do it without her. She could do it more without me. I mean, not the technical side, but you know. And so, but there's a regret of like, man, I have so many ideas to make cool design products for founders. So there's still something like that I think about. And the other thing is like, I want to do a crazy idea like Slack alternative. That's the big thing. Because I, Slack alternative. ⁓
@AndrewC0des (28:55)
What is it?
my gosh, that is
huge.
Dagobert (29:00)
Because when I'm working on launch day, my favorite part is building the live chat, building the interactions. That's what I love the most. ⁓ I love this. I love the social thing. That's why I'm also always on Twitter. I like the social component of it. And yeah, I would like to make a cool Slack alternative in Elixir that is just...
@AndrewC0des (29:28)
Hmph.
Dagobert (29:29)
working well and I have experienced mobile development so I could do everything. ⁓ And so, yeah, that seems like a crazy idea, but I think I might be able to pull it off with just crazy enough storytelling like I'm doing now. All this crazy storytelling about launch day, I enjoy it. So yeah, so I think maybe I could do something with that. yeah. But yeah, for now I'm just like...
@AndrewC0des (29:34)
Wow.
All right.
Dagobert (29:58)
I'm spending the summer on lunch day. I'm like, no, I want to make this big. I want to bring people sales, solve the problem. So I'm going to keep focusing on that for now. Yeah.
@AndrewC0des (30:06)
Yeah, yeah, so as a founder, I really appreciate it because ⁓ I mean, I feel the void. I mean, I spent two years working on chatamots and I think it provides value and then I get out there and it's like no one cares. And so, yeah, I really appreciate what you're doing.
Dagobert (30:24)
Thanks man, and you know this conversation we're having, it's helping me also, because I'm like, how do I sell your product? Because I think right now, we didn't do a good job of selling it in this interview. We didn't do a good job of selling it. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we did a good job of being authentic, connecting with each other, and hopefully making people relate to you. So that's one side of the equation.
@AndrewC0des (30:31)
Aww.
No. I made fun of it. ⁓
Hmm.
Hmm.
Dagobert (30:51)
So I'm thinking maybe for this launch day, I should ask you and everybody to also prepare. I'm gonna ask for screenshots, but maybe just like you offered before we started recording, just a short, less than two minute video demoing your product, like in good conditions that I can put on every product page. So the first thing people see will be your demo of the product so they understand the value.
@AndrewC0des (31:00)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Dagobert (31:18)
And then they can look at the interview and then they can see us talk and it can connect and it can build trust and it can be cool for the community and everything. And it can be the right balance. What do you think?
@AndrewC0des (31:29)
Yeah, I love it. I think that's a great idea and it's gonna help me personally so I'm all for it. Yeah, that's like a great idea.
Dagobert (31:35)
Yeah, yeah, because I'm like, you know, it's because
I'm really just, I really feel like my job is to bring people to sales. That's literally my job. And I'm like, know, perfectionist kind of guy. I'm like, I need to do this. So I'm thinking what's still not working? What is still not presenting the product in a way? So yeah, so the discount is going to be improved. This is going to be improved. I'm going to try to get you one sale, man. You deserve at least one sale. This product is super cool. We need to find people. You know, it's a good product.
@AndrewC0des (31:43)
my gosh.
Yeah, yeah,
Hahahaha
Dagobert (32:05)
So yeah, we're gonna find it.
@AndrewC0des (32:05)
Yeah, so
I've had two sales, one anonymous and then this other guy that I connected with on Twitter and he's actually in San Francisco and he works for like this nonprofit there and so he wants it on his iWatch and that's the next thing I'm gonna build but Apple's taking like
Dagobert (32:16)
Nice.
man, that's what's difficult when you only have two customers and you have to do everything they say because you have nothing else to guide you. And maybe this guy asks you this, but the next 100 don't give a shit. So you will build this for just... That's why you need at least 100 customers to get some data, man. Okay. Yeah. Cool. All right. So that was awesome, know, meeting you. ⁓ So...
@AndrewC0des (32:45)
one of my
Dagobert (32:52)
Good luck with your launch day and I hope people enjoy the interview. People can leave comments. We have this video on YouTube so they can leave comments. I'd be very happy to hear any kind of feedback.
@AndrewC0des (33:03)
It's been an absolute pleasure and ⁓ happy to be on launch day number two and ⁓ yeah, so stoked that I was able to make it into the slide and I know that was in demand and I was tracking it and jumped in and yeah, I can't wait for it. So thank you so much, doggo.
Dagobert (33:24)
Thanks, man. We're gonna do it.
@AndrewC0des (33:25)
Narwhal.