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People Just Do Something, with Palestinian activist Iyad Burnat on the power of nonviolent resistance in the face of genocide
Priyanka Raval
This is from the Bristol Cable, People Just Do Something, a podcast where we uncover what it takes to be an activist by talking to people on the front line of political movements. I'm Priyanka Raval…
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
And I'm Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins…
Priyanka Raval
And we're back with an ongoing schedule beginning today. Episodes will be released every other week, on Friday for Cable members or Mondays for general release. And we're also launching a People Just Do Something Live, which will be starting this month at the Cube Microplex On April 29 so please check out the Cable website and come along. It should be very exciting. If you love what we're doing, then do something about it and subscribe to people. Just do something on your podcast apps today, and while you're there, you may as well join the Cable at the Bristol Cable.org, forward slash, join and let us know if it was this podcast that made you want to sign up. So today, we are bringing a bit of a special episode. Isaac, you recorded this back in early February, didn't you?
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Yes, the same day as we did the episode on the Bristol Apartheid Free Zone and I think they're good kind of companion pieces for one another. After we recorded here, I ran over to the Bristol Palestine Museum, and I interviewed Iyad Burnat – he's the head of the Bi’lin Popular Committee, and he's the author of a book called Bi’lin and the Nonviolent Resistance. Listeners of this might know him from. There was an Oscar nominated documentary that his brother made called Five Broken Cameras. So that's probably where he might be best known from.
Priyanka Raval
He talks about that film in the interview, doesn't he?
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Yes, he covers it. And I know there's a new film that's either out or coming out by his brother as well, that sort of continues that story.
Priyanka Raval
Bi’lin is a village in Palestine?
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Yes, it's a village in the West Bank. And the campaign was basically that there was going to be a wall built by settlers, sort of illegal settlers, in the West Bank, which was going straight through a load of sort of farming land, and was going to destroy lots of like, you know, olive trees that people there rely on for food and selling to make money. And it was a campaign to try and stop that being so disruptive on the people who require that farming land to live basically, you know, in their homeland. And, we're also joined by Laura Abraham, who sort of was arranging, Iyad’s tour of the UK. This time around, she's from a group called Palestine Community Foundation, and she helps organise tools for people from abroad coming to support action in Palestine. And she also was the founder of the Peace Cycle, which started in 2004 where people cycle from London to Jerusalem to kind of raise awareness of the occupation and the plight of Palestinians, I think the kind of how honourable Iyad is in his dedication to non violence, despite the kind of very real violence and imprisonment that he has faced, and his family have faced, including people that have been killed by the IDF for peaceful protests. Like it's really inspirational. I think people can get a lot from listening to it, at least I hope so.
Priyanka Raval
Yeah, I thought it was a really moving interview, especially since you know at the time that we're recording this, which is on March the 18th, we just heard that yesterday, more than 400 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes on Gaza. This is actually the biggest wave of strikes since the 19th of January, which is when the ceasefire began. So I think that's quite poignant context for this interview. So with that background in mind, let's turn to our guests, Iyad Burnat and Laura Abraham.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
I'm joined by. Laura and Iyad, yeah, just sort of get started Iyad. I thought if you wanted to kind of properly introduce yourself and sort of what you're going to be talking about on your tour around the UK…
Iyad Burnat
Yes, I am Iyad Burnat from a small village called Bil'in, a 16km west of Ramallah, a 25km from Jerusalem. So we started our non violent struggle when they start to build the apartheid wall in our land. So in 2004 they came and confiscated 60% from the land of the village to build a new settlement on the land of the village. In that time, they destroyed a lot of olive trees to build this settlement, and so we refused that, and we started our weekly demonstrations against the bulldozers and against the army who started to destroy our land.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
And yeah, Laura, so what sort of brought about organising this tour around the UK?
Laura Abraham
Iyad has been to the UK before, and done tours here before, but he hasn't been for a little while, and obviously a lot has happened in the last couple of years. So we felt the time was right for him to come and talk to, hopefully a new audience, and educate more people about what's happening in Palestine generally, and the West Bank in particular.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
So yeah, do you mention this sort of campaign in Bil'in. I was wondering if you could just expand a bit on what that campaign included. So I saw that it was like protests every Friday. It was mentioned international protesters would join those protests as well. And, yeah, if you want to sort of lay out what that campaign kind of looked like, what were its sort of principles and what were its sort of its aims, yeah,
Iyad Burnat
The Popular Committee came from the people, from the ground. And we have international from all of the world they participate with us in the demonstrations. We have Israeli activists also who came every Friday participate with us. And so we use the non violent way. We use the non violent direct action like put ourselves in cage and barrels and cylinders to fight and to stop the bulldozers destroying the olive trees. So this in general, and it's growing that, after our success in Bil'in in that to demolish the wall and move it back 500m, we have started in other villages in West Bank. But you know now the situation is very bad in in whole West Bank, it's they started to attack the camps and villages arrested people attacking the houses at night. For example, they attacked my home last year five times. They broke everything in my home. My children being arrested. They spent three and a half years in jail, two of them. So they're trying to attack us, to stop us, to break us by using lots of violence against us. As leaders of the Popular Committee,
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Imprisonment is obviously something that runs through a lot of Palestinian activism – you yourself spent time in prison starting from quite a young age, at the age of 17. What impact does that have, I guess, on activists on the ground, when that sort of threat of imprisonment is such a kind of, you know, a constant and regular threat?
Iyad Burnat
Yes as you know, I've been in jail for when I was 17 years old, I spent two years in jail. And it's not easy. It's very hard to start your life as a child in jail. And you see this happened with your children also, when they arrested them, they were 17 years old, they spent three years in jail and three and a half year other one our work is to, we don't like to be injured or arrested or to go to demonstrations, but we have hope that's to change for a bitter future for all children.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
So it's like, you know, it's obviously an awful situation, but it is just a reality, I suppose, and something you need to fight again. It's like one of the reasons why you need to sort of be doing this sort of organising, I suppose, like, I guess, like, so, one of the key sort of principles of the sort of work you do is about peaceful demonstration. Why is peaceful demonstration so key, I suppose, to your work, like with the amount of violence that is coming being directed at Palestinians by Israelis and the IDF, why is it peaceful demonstration that you kind of are advocating for it?
Iyad Burnat
First of all, the Palestinian people, who's under the occupation, they have their rights to fight by any way, but we choose the non violent resistance in Bil'in in that's to reach many people around the world and to have a bitter future for our people, as when we talking about peace, we need first justice and after this quality peace, freedom. This is what we working for. So be a non violent is the way that break the three strong legs of the occupation we talk about. The first leg is the army and the strong airplanes for the army. They cannot use it against us in non violent demonstration. They they want to stop non violent demonstrations, hundreds of soldiers. So if it's happened in many villages around West Bank and everywhere, they need all the army to stop the demonstrations. And it's cost them a lot when they do this. The other leg is the media. You know, the the media is very strong, the Zionist media in all of the world. So by this way, we succeed to push all the international media to come and to show the non violent resistance in Bil'in, especially in the in the way of direct action and third leg is the economy. They have a strong economy. And by our movement of BDS movement, that we can break this leg with support of our people and friends outside. You know, we have many friends from all of the world. They came and visited Bil'in, and after that, they became our messengers. So from the beginning of we talk about 2004 until now, it's growing, and many people start to understand the life of the Palestinian people under the occupation because of our social media. We have writing books. We have did make movies like Five Broken Cameras. For example. Many people open eyes when they saw the movie, Five Broken Cameras. So now when, if you go to New York and invite people to demonstration, you will have hundreds of 1000s, not like before 20 or 25 years it was a few people know about Palestine. Also in London, there is huge numbers of people coming to support Palestine. The political things is change in some countries, many organisations and many companies who are supporting Israel, they've been broken by BDS movement.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Maybe sort of bring it back to the campaign itself. Now we've got the principles like what we do in this show, usually, is we try and give people the information they need to build a campaign to be activists themselves. So I guess if you could maybe talk a bit more about like, how did you go about getting people to join your campaign and to sort of build that campaign? Because I saw that the numbers at these protests increased, and what does that involve? Is that meetings? Is that going around, flying people like, you know what? What is building that campaign from people who you know, know that they're being oppressed and know that they're being wrong. What do you need to do to get more people involved in in that struggle?
Iyad Burnat
Yes, look, it's the Popular Committee in Bil'in when we started. Its first was people who's known, people who love them and trust them. You know, this is the committee that we built. We was working night and day to think how we can bring the international media and the international people towards COVID. The important thing that bring more people to join us is our direct action. Because we had a demonstration before Bil'in, against the war, against the settlement, a normal demonstration, people going out with the flags and all this. So we made a new thing, direct action in Bil'in that's made it famous around the world. So when you tie yourself in our trees and olive trees, it shows the message and the photo to be able to come to see what's this people doing. They tie his self in front of the bulldozer, so he's fighting by his body. When you put yourself in barrels, in cylinders, you put yourself in kids. It's like this direct action. We invite people from outside groups to come to do demonstration interviews. So this make it growing in the media, and people start to come to see what's this in Bil'in, and we have many famous people who's coming to visit us because of this direct action, like people who have Nobel Peace Prize, Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter, all these people that were visiting us in this. It. So the started was the direct action. The creative ideas, creative is bring more people to see. When you come and see you go back to your country and you explain to your community, your family, your friends, it will be growing and the coming more
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
With the reaching out to the international community, so is the idea of that. So you've got the two fronts of one, those people can go back to the community so they can advocate for the Palestinian cause and engage in activism like, you know, BDS, or, you know, like, we've got in Bristol, these Apartheid Free Zones, and build that kind of material support for the sort of Palestinian Liberation Movement. And what Joe was saying was that actually, like having international activists there on the ground was one way to try and limit the violence that was being doled out by Israelis against you, is that the case is that kind of one of the approaches is that they actually can make pushback, not as bad.
Iyad Burnat
Yes, in most of the demonstration, we had internationals and Israeli activists who participate in the demonstration, and in the meantime, the violence of the Israelis soldiers is not the same. When you have internationals and Israel… if we are Palestinians alone, they attack us hard. If we have internationals and Israelis, they re less violent. And also if they, if they arrested, for example, Israeli activist or international or Palestinian, they didn't deal with them the same the same law. They have many laws to use against the people in the demonstration. Palestinians, they can put them in jail between six to 18 or 24 months under administration detention. The internationals, maybe they put them in jail for 24 hours, and deported it them. It's different laws they use against us. But in the demonstrations, we have Israelis activists who's been injured. We have Israelis who's been arrested for weeks when they saw that the non violent start to show the message, to show the face of the violent, they start to attack the leaders of the non violence. For example, when they attacking me, attacking my homes, many times, 10s of time, they shot my son, eldest son. They arrested my two children. They didn't do anything. They just want a message to stop us doing this, and they asked us many times, because they know that people outside started to know about the reality from the ground. We have internationals who stayed with us at night time to try to take photos, to protect their families by photos. They didn't like cameras. They didn't like photos, the Israelis army. So we had them staying with the families and try to protect them taking photos. It's less the violent of the army in this but in this time, you know, after the genocide in Gaza, we stopped our demonstrations because of the violence that they use it against the Palestinians. In this time, we don't have internationals, no Israelis activists, and it's scary that each soldiers have an permission to shoot any Palestinian, as it's happened, they shot my cousin, 16 years old, and he's died. They shot my nephew, and he spent 40 days in hospital because they shot him in his head, mouth and in his stomach. So it's really very dangerous in this time to do the demonstrations.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
I mean that yeah, that's it's really awful. And I don't think anyone listening will sort of be unaware of just the incredible violence that has ramped up since October. Said this genocide, I think, has definitely changed the view of the majority of people, or has made the majority view that what Israel is doing is awful. My question for you, though, is, after that, how does your campaign and your campaigning, as you said that it's a pause at the moment because of this incredible amount of violence and the kind of shamelessness of the Israeli military in the last couple of years. What are the plans to sort of rebuild this sort of peaceful coalition to fight against the occupation after what's been going on?
Iyad Burnat
We have hope always, and we will never give up. Last month I have two groups who came from United States and not to demonstrations, but also for education. Education also is very important when you bring people and show them to see from the ground what's happened. The nonviolent is not just the demonstrations. So we can build with international community, with the in BDS movement, outside in this time. I mean, so it's, it's growing in that way. And we can also work in our media to try to bring more internationals. Today we have in West Bank, 35 people, and this is the first time, this is the first month that we have 35 International Solidarity movement in Palestine protecting the Palestinians in the villages where's the settlers attacking. So it started to back. That's international coming to back, not, not the same as in the beginning of the genocide in Gaza. So now they start to come and to participate with people. So we have the demonstrations, non violent demonstrations in different places in West Bank. But it's not the same as before. We're trying to make it more growing and stronger. Now, we cannot have Israelis activists because, you know, the situation is very hard. And army, the Israelis army, didn't let them to go to the side of the Palestinian it's hard. They want to come. We want them to come, but the divides, they don't want him to come to our villages. But we still working in other ways. We still working to make it beg the direct action and the demonstrations.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
This might be a question for you, Laura, but feel free to jump in as well, because you help arrange for people from the UK to go over to Palestine and take part in these protests and things, right? Like, I guess, how do you prepare people to go? Is there a crash course, and here's, here's how this will work. Or, like, Does that happen when they're there? I guess, yeah. Like, what? What is the process of going as we're trying to show solidarity.
Laura Abraham
Yeah, I think the most important message to tell people before they go is, is that we are there to witness and observe. And you know, a big part of bearing that witness is when you come back is to make sure you tell you know, as many people as you can what you've seen, rather than coming back and just doing nothing about it. The idea is, you know, going there is to actually inspire people to take some action afterwards, but also to be aware that our presence there is a deterrent, you know, hopefully to the Israeli army that they you know that when we're among the Palestinian people, it hopefully will give a certain amount of protection or deterrence for violence against them, but that we should, in a way, stand back and allow the Palestinians to lead us in that you know that always listen to what the Palestinians are asking us to do, because this is their land, and they know the support that they need and the best way that we can support them. So I think that's really important to understand that, that we need to listen to the Palestinians and ask them, How can we help you? What's the best way we can help you and support you?
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
You know, I think a lot of people have been brought into the struggle to support Palestine, at least in that I've seen in the UK, but it seems like internationally as well. Like, what would you say to people who are thinking of coming and sort of being part of these sorts of solidarity visits and things like that.
Iyad Burnat
There's many people think that they are part or reason of the occupation of Palestine, especially in England. That's many people feel that the occupation started from England, because we was occupied by British and they give it to the Zionists. So people here understand, and they want to support Palestine, like apologise for what's there is government doing. And they become very activist, especially here in Europe. In United States, also, there is a lot of support that goes to the Israeli army, $5 billion a year to support the army to quell Palestinians. And it came from the tax of the people. So people in United States feeling that's why they send our money to other country to kill people, and we need it so they start to fight. They start to read about Palestine, the historic of Palestine, what's happened, and they coming with faith, with belief, that they want to end the occupation in Palestine, any groups who's coming to Palestine, they take training when they enter, how to, you know, many things difficult, different between our culture and how to deal with the soldiers, with the checkpoints, if you are arrested, everything that's they know about, especially for the activists who want to stay and with the Palestinians many other groups they like to help in farms, like in olive harvest, in planting. So it's different. Activists that's coming. Some of them, they like the direct action. They want to be with the people in barrels, in cylinders, to support. So it's different from people.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
What is sort of the end goal, I suppose, of your sort of struggle, what do you see as… I guess, like, what I'm getting at is, you know, you have these in constant debates in in Britain, and I, you know, is it one state solution? Is it two state solutions, things like that, like, what? What are you fighting for? What is the What does winning look like? If that's not too big a question.
Iyad Burnat
Yes, it's, very hard, and bigger question, it's really we fighting for justice. Justice is take us to freedom and equality. When we talk about two states, the Zionists killed the two state solution. What's left for the Palestinians now is 12% from the Palestinian historic land that's full of settlements and settlers. So where's the Palestinian state? If the United Nation, or other countries, like England, they're talking about two state. Where's the Palestinian state? Where is the Israelis borders? Nobody know, also know United Nation. They didn't know. Where is the Israelis borders? You can put the Israelis borders when you talk about two states, so they kill the two state solution by filling the West Bank of settlements. When you talk about 280 settlements inside of West Bank, 800 checkpoints and gates. It's like jails. There is no control between Gaza inside West Bank, inside Jerusalem, inside Jericho, inside so there is no life in this to be a state. In other ways, when we talk about justice and peace for everybody. We have to work for one state solution, especially in this time. So one state for everybody. Have a justice, equality, one man, one vote, and everybody take his right. This is my opinion.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
One of the things I've sort of been involved in this sort of activism for a number of years, but I think in the last few years, like everyone, there's been so much to learn. And again, one of the things that completely shocked me was, sort of like, 10% of the Jewish population of Israel live in these settlements, and they when you sort of were in Britain, it was always reported as this sort of weird thing that a minority were doing. And you know, 10% isn't everyone, but that's still a massive amount of people who are doing this, supported by the government, ruling parties and the military. And I yeah, I think the kind of false split that's been here for a very long time between the settlements and the rest of Israeli society, I think, is something that I think a lot of people have learned isn't as clear cut as I think this sort of builds on what you're sort of saying, I guess, like, yeah, also, I'll round it up here, because I'm aware of taking up a lot of your time and you've got lots more things to do this afternoon. We always ask people, like, What's one thing people can just do? Like, when they listen to this, if there's one thing you could stress to them to like, get active with, give money to what is one thing that you would request the people who listen to this interview do after listening?
Iyad Burnat
Yes, we everywhere we have what we can do, and in the end, we want, first to educate the people, to work in faith. When you believe in something, you understand it very well. You work in your heart, in your faith. So when people understand they have to start boycott, they have to start put the pressure in their government. So why the British government support Israel occupation, as they doing massacres every day? So we have to put the pressure on them to stop support, not just here, also in United States, in Europe everywhere, why you support the government that kills people? So the important thing that. For people to work in their country, to put the pressure in the government to stop supporting Israel.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
What sort of stuff could people get involved in? What groups can they get their support to in the UK? That sort of stuff.
Laura Abraham
I think if it's possible to for you to go out to Palestine, then that is such a worthwhile thing to do for the Palestinians, but also they can teach us so much. So if possible, go there be a witness. See for yourself what's going on BDS. I think there needs to be a movement built as there was against apartheid in South Africa, and as powerful as that, and as widely supported as that. So I think you know, absolutely support BDS. Find out how we can boycott Israeli goods and be really disciplined about that. But the other thing is to talk about it. You know, so many people that I speak to now, nearly everybody I speak to now, is sympathetic towards the Palestinian cause, and believes that what Israel is doing and has been doing for decades is absolutely criminal and abhorrent, and they'll say that if you have a conversation, but they're not actually doing anything about it or even vocalising that outside of that conversation. So I would say, you know, talk about it to your friends, to your family. Find out what's going on. Read about it, speak to other people, go to events and then be part of that conversation and make sure that everybody you know is also being educated about it.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
It's been a really great chat, and I think people were really interested and inspired sort of hear about this. Thank you very much for joining me and for letting me take some of your time while you're being sort of taken here, there and ever across Britain and the rest of the country. And yeah, we'll put in a list of your other dates for people who might listen outside of Bristol. Thank you again. It's been a really great chat with them.
Priyanka Raval
Isaac, that was such a good interview. I think the thing that struck me was his commitment to non violence is particularly impressive considering the amount of violence that is perpetrated by the Israeli Defense Forces, right the fact that he still maintains this approach despite, you know, not not just what's happening to the West Bank in general, but also, like his home was attacked, his children were imprisoned, his teenage cousins were shot and killed. It is, you know, a bit of a marvel that that is his way of going about things. But I guess there are strategic benefits to such an approach. I mean, the fact that he's even allowed to come here and do a talk like this is probably because of that.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Yeah, definitely – it was one of the things that I like hearing him describe, like what had happened to his family and to him, like spending years in prison as a as a kid, basically, and having his children in prison, his family murdered, and like his dedication to nonviolent, it just like, I mean, almost threw me in how much less I think it would take to break most people's resolve in that and this kind of dedication to that, you know, in aid of spreading the word, whether you agree with the approach or not, is is incredibly like honourable to stick by those sort of principles.
Priyanka Raval
But, you know, at the same time, he's saying that now, because of the genocide in Gaza that they had to stop, because of that very violence, you know, because one of the benefits he was saying about non violence is, you know, the the army won't retaliate if you're being peaceful, but that doesn't stand anymore. And the Israeli activists who were joining them in solidarity can't do that anymore.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Yeah, even in the first few weeks of the genocide, when they were still doing these sorts of protests in the West Bank and American activists got shot in the leg with like, live animation, not the rubber bullets, and that is only built from there. And you know, there's always been a risk of some violence, that there has been both Palestinians and international activists who've been killed over the years. And like, to a certain extent, the point of non violence is to mitigate the violence done to you. And the violence has ramped up over the last couple of years.
Priyanka Raval
It's terrifying. And I mean, look to recent historic examples, like the Great March of Return.
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Yeah, that was in Gaza. They just tried to walk at this multi billion dollar armed fence that surrounds their homes and keeps them basically in a sort of open air prison. And this was a 2018 wasn't it? Yes, and the retaliations for that were snipers would shoot at people's arms and legs, and it made that Gaza, I think, have the highest proportion of amputees of anywhere in the world from a entirely peaceful protest. And you had that I there was the example of Refaat Alareer, who was a writer and poet. He was very big on Twitter. People would probably know him from that. But one of his approaches was to try and encourage people to learn English so that they could kind of spread the message of what was happening in Gaza more widely, which is, you know, the same thing that Iyad, is advocating for this kind of the promotion of the struggle, the promotion of the oppression, so that people know what's happening, so they can't say they didn't know, and that people are focused on that. And like Refaat, was killed in his home by an airstrike that many people thought was targeted at him and it killed him, and it killed his family. And even more close to home, like we had James Kirby, who was a Bristolian working with the World Central Kitchen, bringing food to people in Gaza and their cars were multiple times targeted by airstrikes and eventually killed them. And like it does show that even peaceful support or resistance is now being met with extreme violence. And while you know, until very recently, it was only, as of recording only like a couple of days ago, that Britain said that Israel was actually breaking international law by not allowing food in, the word, and that kind of pushback against what's happening there is spreading, but it's not fast enough the hundreds of people who died yesterday while we record, and the 1000s, if not to a million, people who might have been killed and displaced in the last couple of years. It was one of those interviews where I left feeling kind of inspired and furious, because it shouldn't be this hard.
Priyanka Raval
That's exactly how I felt listening to it. Because, you know, there were some really tangible things, right, like boycott, divest, sanction that hits the economy, spreading the words. That's what, especially we can do back here. That's a sort of tangible action. But I thought it was really interesting what Laura said about how she arranges for people to go and bear witness and stand with the Palestinians, which is kind of asking people to use their body in a way, to act as a bit of a deterrent. But then, you know, isn't always the deterrent that it should be, as with those examples that you've given,
Isaac Kneebone-Hopkins
Yeah, and like, you know, getting the message out is vital. But, you know, I went on a similar sort of style solidarity trip to Cuba, and they've been doing them for 60 years, and Cuba is still under an illegal blockade that the people in Cuba would refer to as a genocidal blockade, because the amount of deaths it has caused over 60 years. So like, yeah, these approaches, I think, are really important in building the structures where people can go and see for themselves and bring back to their communities what is happening, and kind of use that to kind of build our resolve for what could be very long struggles, I think is vital. But like, there is always that frustration of, like, this is so simple in how obviously bad the situation is. It shouldn't take all this fight. But I think, you know, we've sort of spoken before about the need for action rather than feeling disempowered. And maybe that is the message to take that if they can do it despite everything they face. So so can you, and there is a need for you to go out and start fighting back against these injustices.
Priyanka Raval
Absolutely. This was a special episode of People Just Do Something with me, Priyanka oval and me, Isaac nieven Hopkins, and as ever, if you like the show, please give us some money to keep it alive. Go to the Bristol Cable.org, forward slash join £10 a month, or £120 per year, will give you an early access to Bristol Cable podcast, a delivered copy of the newspaper and 50% off to our tickets to events and more. Email us comments and questions to our new dedicated email that's PJDS at the Bristol Cable.org as ever. This episode was produced by the Bristol Cable and our lovely producer, George Colwey.