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What if looking fit on the outside is hiding how much your body is struggling underneath? Cameron Mathison was known as the healthy, camera-ready guy on television. Behind the lean physique, however, he was under-eating, overtraining, living in a constant state of stress, and dealing with reflux, bloating, low energy, and bloodwork that did not make sense.
When Cameron could not shake the feeling that something more serious was wrong, he advocated for an MRI. It revealed kidney cancer.
In this episode of hol+ with Dr. Taz MD, the Emmy-nominated actor and Emmy-winning television host shares how listening to his body helped detect his cancer before it spread, what recovery taught him, and why looking healthy is not the same as being healthy.
Cameron and Dr. Taz explore how functional health coaching helped him rethink nutrition, recovery, gut health, hormones, blood sugar, cortisol, sleep, and movement. Cameron also shares the personalized protocol he followed with professional guidance, how meditation became part of his healing, and why he now feels stronger and healthier in his 50s than he did at 30.

Dr. Taz also opens up about her husband suffering a heart attack at only 41, highlighting why men cannot afford to wait for a major health crisis before paying attention to persistent symptoms.
In this episode:
  • Why looking fit does not always mean your body is healthy
  • Cameron’s childhood battle with Legg-Calvé-Perthes disease
  • How extreme dieting, fasting, and overtraining affected his health
  • The reflux, gut symptoms, fatigue, and abnormal bloodwork that left him searching for answers
  • Why Cameron kept asking for an MRI
  • Finding kidney cancer before it had spread
  • The fear and vulnerability that followed his diagnosis
  • How functional health coaching changed his approach to recovery
  • The personalized gut-health protocol Cameron followed
  • Why rest, sleep, nutrition, and metabolic flexibility matter
  • How meditation supports the connection between physical and emotional health
  • Why simple changes can make a meaningful difference for men’s longevity
Chapters:
00:00 Looking healthy while knowing something was wrong
00:32 Dr. Taz’s personal warning about men’s health
04:28 Cameron’s childhood diagnosis and pursuit of fitness
09:20 Years of reflux, gut symptoms, and unanswered questions
13:28 Why Cameron insisted on getting an MRI
18:48 How functional health coaching changed his recovery
31:15 The personalized gut protocol Cameron followed
40:05 Why healing changes how you show up
48:01 Health360 and a whole-person approach to care
54:45 Why men cannot wait for a health crisis

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About Cameron Mathison
Cameron Mathison is an Emmy-nominated actor and Emmy-winning television host known for his roles on All My Children and General Hospital, as well as co-hosting Hallmark Channel’s Home & Family. A kidney cancer survivor and longtime health advocate, Cameron created Health360 to help make personalized, whole-person health coaching more accessible.

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About Dr. Taz:
Dr. Tasneem Bhatia (Dr. Taz) is a triple board-certified integrative medicine physician, bestselling author, and founder of hol+, a multi-location integrative medicine practice.
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[00:00:00] **Cameron Mathison:** The calorie restriction, the overexertion, the extreme diets, the pushing yourself, the [00:00:05] not so great supplements, and it works for a little while until it doesn't.

[00:00:09] **Dr. Taz:** Mm. You [00:00:10] have pursued health and wellness even before a diagnosis- Yeah ... after a diagnosis.

[00:00:14] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. I [00:00:15] was so lost and frustrated. I had this feeling, this sense [00:00:20] that there was something more serious going on.

[00:00:21] **Cameron Mathison:** So they found the kidney cancer because of that process, because [00:00:25] of me just being, just- Being an

[00:00:27] **Dr. Taz:** advocate

[00:00:27] **Cameron Mathison:** for yourself, right? Being a real advocate for my own health- Yeah ... and [00:00:30] just knowing something was off, and it saved my life.

[00:00:32] **Dr. Taz:** All right, I'm gonna get really vulnerable with you guys and [00:00:35] share a personal story.

[00:00:36] **Dr. Taz:** The year is 2019. We were getting ready to [00:00:40] go to Italy for my sister's wedding. I have a baby sister. She's actually 20 years younger than me. [00:00:45] The night before the wedding, my husband reaches over to me and tells me he's not feeling very well. [00:00:50] Over the next few minutes, I found him getting more and more uncomfortable, writhing around in [00:00:55] the bed, and at first, we both thought it was simply reflux, but it wasn't.[00:01:00]

[00:01:00] **Dr. Taz:** As the hours progressed, he got worse and worse, and long story short, [00:01:05] he was actually suffering from a heart attack. I called 911. We got him help. He's [00:01:10] fine. He was only 41 years old, and today, years later, [00:01:15] that night still sort of jars my mind. I can't believe [00:01:20] we're okay. I can't believe he's okay, but I also know that his health is [00:01:25] very precarious.

[00:01:26] **Dr. Taz:** This is the story I see with so many of the men I meet in [00:01:30] practice day in and day out, and it's not a story I ever wanna see repeated. What if something [00:01:35] else had happened that night? What if he actually passed away? What if we had been on the plane on [00:01:40] an international trip to a foreign country? So many what-ifs, and thankfully, [00:01:45] we were protected, and our family continues to thrive and do well But I [00:01:50] don't want a repeat of this for anyone.

[00:01:53] **Dr. Taz:** And so I wanna advocate for [00:01:55] men, and I think it's important for all of us as women to really be paying attention to the health [00:02:00] of men in our lives. That's why I brought my next guest on. [00:02:05] He's had an incredible story, a healing journey. He's been an advocate for health and [00:02:10] wellness, and he's an example for men in how to live healthfully and really [00:02:15] tackle every year, every day, and even the future with zest.

[00:02:19] **Dr. Taz:** Let me introduce [00:02:20] you to Cameron Mathison. You guys already know him. He's an Emmy Award-winning actor, a [00:02:25] TV host. He's been on All My Children, General Hospital. I met him when I was doing [00:02:30] segments on Home and Family, and I have loved his spirit and really his [00:02:35] passion for health and wellness, and I can't wait for him to share his journey with all of you.

[00:02:39] **Dr. Taz:** [00:02:40] Welcome, Cameron- Hello ... to the show. Thanks so much. I, this is such an honor. Cameron, this is a little [00:02:45] surreal for me, honestly, because I think I might have watched you for a really long time on [00:02:50] one of the soap operas. Maybe General Hospital, maybe All My Children. Yeah, yeah. I don't remember which one. Cool.

[00:02:54] **Dr. Taz:** I was in- Before [00:02:55] we finally met- Right, right ... you know, on different, uh, you know, Home and Family- That's right ... some of the different shows. [00:03:00] And, you know, I think we've always connected around health and wellness- Mm-hmm ... and what it means to [00:03:05] be healthy. And as I was sort of putting together this show and it, you know, sort [00:03:10] of visioning what I wanted, you know, you were such a great...

[00:03:13] **Dr. Taz:** You came to mind because I feel [00:03:15] like you've had a journey. You have pursued health and wellness even, you know, before [00:03:20] a diagnosis- Yeah ... after a diagnosis. Yeah. You know what it's like for everybody out there. You've, you've [00:03:25] walked that walk. Yeah. Right? So when we think about being whole and how [00:03:30] the science and the spirit have to merge together to really create healing journeys for people- Mm[00:03:35]

[00:03:35] **Dr. Taz:** you came to mind right away. Ah. So welcome. Welcome to the show.

[00:03:38] **Cameron Mathison:** Thank you so much. That means so much to me. I'm so excited

[00:03:39] **Dr. Taz:** to [00:03:40] have

[00:03:40] **Cameron Mathison:** you here. I'm excited to be here. It's so cool for me, too, because obviously, you know, when we met [00:03:45] on, I, I was interviewing you- Yeah, yeah ... on the show and learned a little bit about you and what you [00:03:50] do.

[00:03:50] **Cameron Mathison:** Right. And then right away I connected with you, followed you on Inst- You know- Yeah ... and since then, you know, I've been... Uh, [00:03:55] anyway, this is really a nice full circle moment for me. Well,

[00:03:57] **Dr. Taz:** I- So thank you ... I'm, I have a million questions for you, [00:04:00] but I wanna get right to one of the big ones. You know, how did you even fall [00:04:05] into becoming such an advocate around health and wellness?

[00:04:08] **Dr. Taz:** You know, y- I see you talk about [00:04:10] it a lot. I see you encouraging others to pursue their own health and wellness journey. Give us a little [00:04:15] bit of... You know, we all know what an amazing actor you're, and, you know, an Emmy Award-winning actor. We all [00:04:20] know kind of that side of Cameron. But I don't think a lot of people know the depths of your own [00:04:25] health journey.

[00:04:26] **Dr. Taz:** So share, maybe give us a little window into that.

[00:04:28] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah, I mean, it's been a, [00:04:30] it's, it's been, it's a long, it's a bit of a long story, so I'm gonna try and keep it really short. But when I was, uh, y- [00:04:35] young, um, uh, like really young, like t- two and a half, I was diagnosed with a degenerative bone [00:04:40] disease called Legg-Calve-Perthes disease, which is a degenerative bone disease usually in, in one of [00:04:45] the femurs, but I had it bilateral in both femurs.

[00:04:47] **Cameron Mathison:** So I, I, I couldn't walk until I was seven, [00:04:50] and, um, it was al- already like a kind of a rough start health and, [00:04:55] um, activity-wise for me as a young kid. And, you know, I wore that, a big metal [00:05:00] A-frame brace my whole young life. I didn't walk or, you know, I wore it when I slept and everything [00:05:05] So I guess the point, uh, the way that that fits in is, um, I think [00:05:10] because of that experience, I've always been...

[00:05:13] **Cameron Mathison:** Like from the very beginning, I'd been [00:05:15] getting x-rays and, and tests and MRI. Like they, well, they didn't have MRIs then, but, um, [00:05:20] and since then, I just really was aware of [00:05:25] my, my body and my health, and I really tried to [00:05:30] kind of... I think o- on some level, I, I, I learned to identify with myself [00:05:35] as, you know, this is not the PC term, but this is the term that- Right.

[00:05:37] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah ... like the crippled kid. Yeah. Like, you know? [00:05:40] Um, and I- How, so

[00:05:40] **Dr. Taz:** how old are you when this is all going

[00:05:42] **Cameron Mathison:** on? Well, but from two and a half years old to seven. To

[00:05:44] **Dr. Taz:** [00:05:45] seven.

[00:05:45] **Cameron Mathison:** So

[00:05:45] **Dr. Taz:** yeah. Okay, yep. Okay.

[00:05:46] **Cameron Mathison:** So, and, um, and coming out of that experience, I just [00:05:50] tried to really kinda be active and healthy and strong and, [00:05:55] um, and through the years, you know, playing sports and doing other things, [00:06:00] um, it just became a real part of who I was, and then I get into, like, the TV [00:06:05] world- Right

[00:06:05] **Cameron Mathison:** um, and, you know, having to take my shirt off half the time on soap operas and- [00:06:10]

[00:06:10] **Dr. Taz:** That'll do it.

[00:06:11] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, you know, y- you become aware of, of the aesthetics- Right ... of the physique [00:06:15] aspect- Right ... which doesn't necessarily, um, you know, correspond to being healthy. To health,

[00:06:19] **Dr. Taz:** right. Right.

[00:06:19] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:06:20] And I think I went through... So getting around to your, your question, I think I went through a lot of unhealthy [00:06:25] ways to look fit and healthy- Mm

[00:06:28] **Cameron Mathison:** um, in this world, [00:06:30] which I think a lot of people do, and it works for a little while [00:06:35] until it doesn't.

[00:06:35] **Dr. Taz:** Hm.

[00:06:36] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. Like the, you know, calorie restriction, the overexertion, the [00:06:40] extreme diets, the pushing yourself, the, the not-so-great supplements. Back in the day, they [00:06:45] had things in supplements that are illegal now.

[00:06:47] **Cameron Mathison:** Right. Things like ephedra and whatever. Yep. Mm-hmm. So I was that guy.

[00:06:49] **Dr. Taz:** [00:06:50] Yeah.

[00:06:50] **Cameron Mathison:** And I was known on TV as this, like, fit, you know, good bodied [00:06:55] whatever. Meanwhile, inside I think I was really taxing my body, and I know I was [00:07:00] because eventually those things stop working. Um, your metabolism gets off, your hormones get outta whack.

[00:07:04] **Cameron Mathison:** My gut [00:07:05] health was a mess. I didn't necessarily know it for a long time, um, but then [00:07:10] eventually I did, uh, through realizing that I just, I couldn't build the muscle, I [00:07:15] couldn't get as lean, I didn't have the energy. Why, what is all this gut distention and [00:07:20] bloating going on with me? Um, whenever I- So

[00:07:22] **Dr. Taz:** how long?

[00:07:23] **Dr. Taz:** Yup. So just to paint, like, to paint it [00:07:25] on a map for ... Because I hear this from patients all the time. Mm-hmm. How long are you at, like, this [00:07:30] Like, you think you're healthy but you're not journey. How l- how long are you engaged in that? Which is, [00:07:35] right, like I think we've all- Yeah ... I mean, that's actually how I got sick too.

[00:07:37] **Dr. Taz:** Yep. You know, getting up to run at 3:00 and 4:00 [00:07:40] o'clock in the morning- Right ... to make it to the hospital by 5:00. Wow. And, and then having Diet Coke and popcorn and- Right ... it [00:07:45] was low calorie, right? Right. So it was healthy.

[00:07:47] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:07:47] **Dr. Taz:** But, like, how long were you in that [00:07:50] phase, you know, of, of health? Yeah. Where you thought that undereating, [00:07:55] overexerting, and what were you doing to build muscle back then?

[00:07:58] **Dr. Taz:** I'm so curious. Like, how long were you in [00:08:00] that phase?

[00:08:00] **Cameron Mathison:** I just didn't know how to build muscle. I just didn't know what... I was going to the gym and lifting. Yeah. Uh, like I was ... There was [00:08:05] resistance training, but I wasn't doing it in a way... Like when your body is overly stressed- Right ... and your [00:08:10] cortisol levels are through the roof and you're not really feeding your body properly while you resistance train, I mean, it's [00:08:15] like you're swimming upstream.

[00:08:15] **Cameron Mathison:** You're not going anywhere. Yeah.

[00:08:16] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:08:17] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, but it was probably, to answer your question, probably [00:08:20] about maybe, um, 15 years of that.

[00:08:24] **Dr. Taz:** Wow.

[00:08:24] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:08:25] 15 years of that, and, uh, it really worked okay for a [00:08:30] while. You know, super lean, and the more lean you are, obviously on camera you look muscular. Right. [00:08:35] Right. Even though I was kinda shrinking.

[00:08:36] **Cameron Mathison:** I've e- even had executive producers come take me aside and say, "Cameron, you're, like, you're [00:08:40] losing weight." Oh my gosh. Yeah. "You look skinny, like your neck and your face." Yeah. Um, uh, [00:08:45] you know, b- just because I'm, I'm lean and you can see definition, [00:08:50] the size was shrinking. My parents would say it to me and I would be like- Man

[00:08:53] **Cameron Mathison:** "What are you talking about? I'm shredded," and all this. Right. [00:08:55] Like, it was ridiculous. Um, and my body was just under a lot of stress, a [00:09:00] lot of... Just very taxing.

[00:09:01] **Dr. Taz:** Were you checking any of that? Was anyone like- Not at that time ... engaging in those [00:09:05] conversations? Not at that time. Like, where's cortisol? Where's your stress?

[00:09:07] **Dr. Taz:** Breaking

[00:09:07] **Cameron Mathison:** down. Not at all. I never even heard of cortisol. No. Yeah. I, I [00:09:10] wouldn't know... I wouldn't know what, like I wouldn't know anything. Right. I wouldn't have thought, um... So [00:09:15] I should say also, through that time- Yeah .... and this is gonna, you know, you... This will speak to you, I think. Right. [00:09:20] Through that time, I developed acid reflux.

[00:09:22] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm. So we all know, like, through stress and through [00:09:25] different things as you get older, you start producing less stomach acid. There's a lot of different factors than can, [00:09:30] that could play into, um, acid reflux. So I wa- started taking [00:09:35] PPIs, protein pump inhibitors, um, from doctor's prescription and over the [00:09:40] counter For many years Mm.

[00:09:43] **Cameron Mathison:** And, and I didn't [00:09:45] understand why, um, it was getting worse. I was taking, I [00:09:50] was taking the doctor's, um, advice. And I know i- it's good advice, and these things [00:09:55] can be helpful in, in the short term. Uh, but for 12 years I was taking this, and, [00:10:00] um, it destroyed my gut microbiome. It, it stopped any acid [00:10:05] production in my stomach.

[00:10:06] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, for those that, that don't know, and I don't know if you can say this 'cause you're an MD- Right ... but I [00:10:10] can say it, um, that most of acid reflux is not caused from [00:10:15] too much acid in your stomach. Okay. It's caused from too little acid production in your stomach, which doesn't digest your food [00:10:20] properly, which ferments in your gut, which causes a bacterial overgrowth, which produces all sorts- Wow

[00:10:24] **Cameron Mathison:** of problems, and [00:10:25] it can blow your esophageal valve open-

[00:10:26] **Dr. Taz:** Are you sure you're not a doctor? ....

[00:10:27] **Cameron Mathison:** and, and le- and, and let, and let the [00:10:30] acid come up into your esophagus, acid that you need in your stomach. Right, right. But they ... But [00:10:35] oftentimes, and acutely it's okay, but for, you know, if it's chronic, they treat the [00:10:40] symptom of acid coming up in your esophagus with anti-acid [00:10:45] medication, which perpetuates the problem of not digesting your food [00:10:50] probli- properly, and, uh, causing some fermentation and bacterial overgrowth, and H.

[00:10:54] **Cameron Mathison:** pylori, [00:10:55] and, you know, leaky gut and et cetera. So I was perpetuating the problem for a long time. Uh, my [00:11:00] s- my so my point in bringing that into this whole process is I could see [00:11:05] things slipping. Right. Like, I could see that I wasn't getting ... I could feel not getting nutrient [00:11:10] absorption from the food anymore.

[00:11:10] **Cameron Mathison:** Hm. I could feel, like, this crazy distension that started [00:11:15] happening, like bloating and distention in my gut where it was never there before over the years. [00:11:20] Um, I could t- I could just tell things were going wrong. Um, and so [00:11:25] t- I hadn't done any testing. Eventually, the first testing I did was for the acid reflux to see, [00:11:30] and of course it was, you know, through the roof.

[00:11:32] **Cameron Mathison:** You know that test where you lie down- Yes, yes ... and then you drink the [00:11:35] chalk thing- Yep, mm-hmm ... and then, um ... And then th- so [00:11:40] I'll let you ask more questions, but that's where my, my real healing [00:11:45] proper health journey began- Began, yep ... through after 10 or 11 years of [00:11:50] being on those PPIs, protein pump inhibitors I started doing my own [00:11:55] res- it didn't make sense to me why I was taking and doing what the doctors were telling me to [00:12:00] do, and why things were getting worse.

[00:12:02] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. And why I needed then two pills a day, and, [00:12:05] and I couldn't go six hours without taking it. Mm. Like, it was, it didn't make sense to me. So I was perpetuating the [00:12:10] problem by treating symptoms, and then eventually I started looking at root causes [00:12:15] and, and, and treating the, the, the real problem.

[00:12:17] **Dr. Taz:** I was, I was looking at an interview you did, I don't [00:12:20] remember which one it was, but, you know, and in many of the interviews you talk about, like, [00:12:25] long-standing abdominal pain.

[00:12:26] **Dr. Taz:** It was there for a very long period of time. Yeah, yeah. Right? And [00:12:30] then finally in 2019, the rug kinda got pulled out- Right ... from under you.

[00:12:33] **Cameron Mathison:** Right.

[00:12:33] **Dr. Taz:** You know, [00:12:35] I often see this in practice, right? Where there's been this sort of hum of something for a very long period [00:12:40] of time. Yeah. But what happened in 2019?

[00:12:42] **Dr. Taz:** What, what took place there?

[00:12:43] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. So the, the r- [00:12:45] um, it's true, and at, and at that point I'd, I'd been doing a lot of testing. Blood work and gut work and, [00:12:50] um, different types of hormone testing and things and, and nothing was changing, and I was going to [00:12:55] see some of the best doctors in, in the country to-

[00:12:57] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm

[00:12:57] **Cameron Mathison:** try to heal my gut and th- fix this. So why is my [00:13:00] blood work, why is my white blood cell count off, and I just couldn't figure it out, and it was a l- just, I was... It, [00:13:05] maybe people at home can relate to this too. I was so lost [00:13:10] and frustrated 'cause I'm, here I am, the healthy guy, doing everything right, [00:13:15] very determined in my diets and my lifestyle and th- and thinking that I was doing things right- Right

[00:13:19] **Cameron Mathison:** I should say.

[00:13:19] **Dr. Taz:** And [00:13:20] with access, right? You're in California. Exactly right. The healthiest place, supposedly the healthiest place, [00:13:25] right? With access to all these people.

[00:13:26] **Cameron Mathison:** Right.

[00:13:26] **Dr. Taz:** But still not able to get the answers.

[00:13:28] **Cameron Mathison:** Exactly. And, [00:13:30] um, so the first piece of the puzzle was to your point, in 2019 I had been [00:13:35] asking for an MRI in my gut area 'cause I thought that I could just...

[00:13:38] **Cameron Mathison:** I had this feeling, this [00:13:40] sense that there was something more serious going on. And, um, m- I think my [00:13:45] doctors very, very wisely, like n- no knock to them, were like, "Listen, it's okay." 'Cause I thought I had cancer. Right. [00:13:50] And they said, "Listen, let's just try this and do this, and let's try another st- strategy." And, and so for [00:13:55] two years I was asking and I didn't take an MRI.

[00:13:57] **Cameron Mathison:** And then eventually I was like, [00:14:00] "I need to get an MRI. I just know I need to." And, um, when I [00:14:05] did they, they, they started in my abdomen and then I could feel, when I was lying there, I could feel, you know [00:14:10] how they, they had to readjust you and be like, "We gotta start again." And I was like, [00:14:15] "Oh, that's not good."

[00:14:16] **Dr. Taz:** Mm.

[00:14:17] **Cameron Mathison:** So, uh, they found the kidney cancer. Yeah, because, [00:14:20] uh, because of that process, because of me just being, just be- Being an

[00:14:23] **Dr. Taz:** advocate for

[00:14:24] **Cameron Mathison:** yourself ... be- being [00:14:25] a real advocate- Right? Yeah ... for my own health and just knowing something was off. And looking at the, the tests and the blood work, it's [00:14:30] not about being out there and being a hypochondriac.

[00:14:32] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, I really was trying to knock [00:14:35] things off, you know- the, j- sort of check things off the list [00:14:40] before I went to, "Oh, run off and get an MRI." Right. "I got cancer." Right. You know? But eventually it was like, this has to be [00:14:45] done, and it saved my life 'cause, um, in a way, I'd like to think it did. It, it's kidney cancer, [00:14:50] and kidney cancer's quite treatable if it hasn't spread.

[00:14:52] **Cameron Mathison:** Right. It'd been growing in me, they think, eight to 10 years, just by [00:14:55] the, the typical speed of growth of these tumors and the fact, um, [00:15:00] how si- the size of it. It hadn't spread, which for those that have been through a [00:15:05] kidney cancer, um, journey, that is a huge deal. Right. Um, and [00:15:10] so I like to think, I think the doctors, some of them anyway, feel that because of my [00:15:15] healthy lifestyle, didn't have the energy to spread.

[00:15:16] **Cameron Mathison:** If it, since it was growing for so long, it's rare that it wouldn't have spread, I think. But, [00:15:20] um, and so we did, um, surgery, no chemo or [00:15:25] radiation necessary, and yeah, it's five years now, five years plus- Ooh ... that I've been cancer-

[00:15:29] **Dr. Taz:** Cancer free ...

[00:15:29] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:15:30] cancer free.

[00:15:30] **Dr. Taz:** Yes.

[00:15:30] **Cameron Mathison:** So.

[00:15:31] **Dr. Taz:** Amazing.

[00:15:32] **Cameron Mathison:** So far so good.

[00:15:33] **Dr. Taz:** You know, I just hate, though, [00:15:35] that it takes a diagnoses, right- Mm

[00:15:36] **Dr. Taz:** like to, to really shift course or shift direction. Yep. Yep. [00:15:40] I, I sit with so many people and, and we walk that journey for sure. You know, what did that [00:15:45] diagnosis do in terms of how you move forward, and what did healing look like for you, too? Yeah. I'm so [00:15:50] curious, like, you know, how did you walk through that?

[00:15:52] **Dr. Taz:** Because so many people, first of all, [00:15:55] intuitively, you know, think something's going on, finally get the confirmation, and then [00:16:00] it's scary, you know? Yeah. And it- it's scary to walk that journey, so [00:16:05] curious how you crafted your own journey. Who was there kind of standing by you? How much did [00:16:10] community matter?

[00:16:11] **Dr. Taz:** Like, you know, give us a sense of what that looked like.

[00:16:13] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah, those are all really good [00:16:15] questions and really good points for something like this for anybody that's been through it. Yeah. Um, first [00:16:20] of all, I think the first thing that went through my mind obviously was fear. Like, I, I didn't [00:16:25] know what a kidney cancer diagnosis meant necessarily as far as the gra- the big [00:16:30] picture of things.

[00:16:30] **Cameron Mathison:** I thought about my kids, I thought about my life, I thought about, you know, you... I literally in that [00:16:35] moment where I got the phone call, I hope nobody has to feel this, like it, it li- [00:16:40] it actually felt like things slowed down.

[00:16:42] **Dr. Taz:** Mm.

[00:16:43] **Cameron Mathison:** And everything peripherally went out of [00:16:45] focus, and it was just like And you're getting the call and you're finding out that you got ca- So [00:16:50] mad.

[00:16:50] **Cameron Mathison:** Ugh ... it was so surreal. Um, because even though I [00:16:55] asked for the MRI for a couple years, I didn't really, like, you don't really [00:17:00] believe it. You know? Like, I, at least I didn't. And then when it came in, I'm like, "This is real."

[00:17:04] **Dr. Taz:** [00:17:05] Mm.

[00:17:05] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, and so that was the first step. Part... And the second thing that [00:17:10] came out eventually when I had to kind of discuss it on Home and Family and-

[00:17:12] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:17:13] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah ...

[00:17:13] **Cameron Mathison:** was I was a little- I remember that ... I was a [00:17:15] little embarrassed I do remember that Like, I, I, it's like- Feels like

[00:17:17] **Dr. Taz:** failure,

[00:17:18] **Cameron Mathison:** right? Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, [00:17:20] you know, I'm fail- Yeah ... you know, I'm this guy that's supposed to be, like, super healthy and fit guy and, um, [00:17:25] and obviously that doesn't necessarily matter and, and also, um, I was doing a lot of things wrong and, [00:17:30] um, so I had that aspect to it.

[00:17:32] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, I [00:17:35] immediately, uh, you know, told Vanessa and she and I [00:17:40] kind of worked through it together and I found a great doctor at, at USC Keck, uh, Dr. Indubir Gill, who's [00:17:45] one of the renowned urologists in the country, and I just happened to get, like, a [00:17:50] slot with him.

[00:17:51] **Dr. Taz:** Mm.

[00:17:51] **Cameron Mathison:** He was amazing. So, like, again, to your point, so lucky.[00:17:55]

[00:17:55] **Cameron Mathison:** You know, you're in a po- you're in a place where I've got insurance, I've got a great doctor- Right. Right ... I've got all these [00:18:00] connections, and that's one of the reasons that through this, and we'll get to this, that was so important for me to [00:18:05] spread awareness for being your best advocate, your own advocate for your health.

[00:18:08] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, catch it [00:18:10] early, 'cause not everybody has- Right ... all the great conditions and the earlier you catch it, the better. Uh, but super [00:18:15] grateful. And then, um- That community, my community at home and family, [00:18:20] and then going around and kind of spreading the word a little bit helped me kind of, um, [00:18:25] I don't know. I, I never, I never imagined getting the feedback and the support through [00:18:30] social media, et cetera, that I did, and that was a beautiful thing.

[00:18:34] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm. And just [00:18:35] feeling that massive amount of, like, prayers and support and thoughts and what, [00:18:40] what... Like, just incredibly grateful. Like, I didn't, I didn't know what to expect. [00:18:45] Um, but that was, uh, that was pretty beautiful.

[00:18:48] **Dr. Taz:** Well, we're so [00:18:50] glad that you're healthy- Oh, thanks ... and doing well. But I know it shifted your mindset, and I know it [00:18:55] shifted sort of what you want to do with health.

[00:18:57] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm. And I think you used a functional health coach in the [00:19:00] process- Yeah ... too, right?

[00:19:01] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:19:01] **Dr. Taz:** Uh, how did that introduction happen? You know, how did... [00:19:05] Because up until this point, for everybody, you know, watching and listening, you've been go-getter healthy [00:19:10] the way we were taught to be healthy- Mm. Yeah ... in the '80s and '90s- Correct

[00:19:13] **Dr. Taz:** and, you know, all that stuff.

[00:19:14] **Dr. Taz:** Yep.

[00:19:14] **Dr. Taz:** And [00:19:15] now there's a diagnosis. Yeah. And so many, you know, people have sat with me and been like, "I did everything [00:19:20] right. Like, why?" Mm-hmm. You know, "Why is this happening?" You know, I think that at [00:19:25] that point you probably made a turn in terms of the things that you were interested in or how you [00:19:30] pursued health.

[00:19:30] **Cameron Mathison:** 1,000%.

[00:19:31] **Dr. Taz:** You know, tell us a little bit about that switch because it's int- you know, so [00:19:35] fu- it's not fun. That's not the right word. But it's so interesting to watch people's journey in this because at first [00:19:40] they're so skeptical. They're so, like- Mm-hmm ... you know, "Okay, what is all this? What's [00:19:45] inflammation? What's the micro-" You know?

[00:19:46] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm. There's a lot of skepticism with it. But I hate [00:19:50] that it takes a diagnosis to make people enter this world. How did you enter the

[00:19:54] **Cameron Mathison:** world? Yeah, [00:19:55] it's, it's such a important thing. It's so great that you're out here kinda spreading the word on all this. But I, um, [00:20:00] even after the surgery and the diagnosis, I, I would say several months after that, [00:20:05] um, maybe even a year, more than a year after that- I was [00:20:10] still trying to do it my own way.

[00:20:12] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:20:12] **Cameron Mathison:** You know, I- obviously with doctors and, and things that [00:20:15] to help me.

[00:20:15] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:20:16] **Cameron Mathison:** But, but sort of piecing things together and social med-... Like, and, [00:20:20] and I have to tell people, like, that's a really hard way to do it. Yes. Like just [00:20:25] taking little bits- It's free ... of this and that- Yeah ... and, and not knowing like y- you know, like, it was, it was a [00:20:30] very, very difficult and maddening.

[00:20:31] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. I was, like, at a loss again, and this is [00:20:35] after my cancer surgery. Mm. I had a high level of environmental toxins and other toxins. I had [00:20:40] mold exposure. My gut microbiome still was a disaster. Like literally [00:20:45] from... I'll get to this, this, this, this coaching company who's seen thousands of GI maps- Mm-hmm

[00:20:49] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:20:50] which is a, a, a, you know, test of your gut. They said mine was in the top three worst they'd ever [00:20:55] seen. Um- Hmm ... it was like really messed up. Wow. My hormones were out of whack. So my blood sugar was [00:21:00] high even though I was on a super low, um, carb diet. So- Yeah ... my b- my [00:21:05] blood sugar being high even though I'm eating very, very low carb is an indication of a metabolic sort of like- Right[00:21:10]

[00:21:10] **Cameron Mathison:** um, you know, just being unhealthy metabolically, sorry. Um, there are all these factors, [00:21:15] and I could-- they weren't changing, and I was at a loss, and my neighbor [00:21:20] was working with this functional health coach.

[00:21:23] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm.

[00:21:23] **Cameron Mathison:** And I'm like, "

[00:21:24] **Dr. Taz:** Ugh." Had you [00:21:25] even heard of functional medicine

[00:21:25] **Cameron Mathison:** then? No, no. I mean, on functional m- Yeah

[00:21:27] **Cameron Mathison:** functional medicine I had. Right. Right. I worked with her. Right. I was working with [00:21:30] functional medicine. There we go. I was working with MDs and NDs. Okay. Okay. Got it. I was doing all of that.

[00:21:33] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:21:33] **Cameron Mathison:** And that was super helpful, but, [00:21:35] um, but functional health coaching, I was like, "I don't need a coach."

[00:21:38] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:21:39] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, look at...

[00:21:39] **Cameron Mathison:** What do you... [00:21:40] Where- Right ... well, you know? I

[00:21:40] **Dr. Taz:** hear that all the time, yep.

[00:21:41] **Cameron Mathison:** Yep. And honestly It [00:21:45] was the biggest game changer by far. So a functional [00:21:50] health coach is, is literally, I mean, it's probably very in line with [00:21:55] all the things that you do as well, but they look at things from 360 degrees. [00:22:00] They're really only concerned with the root issues.

[00:22:03] **Cameron Mathison:** You know, obviously, like you mentioned, [00:22:05] inflammation, microbiome- Mm-hmm ... hormone balancing, blood [00:22:10] work. They even look at gene testing, and they look at all the different things. But it- it's not like they start with all [00:22:15] that, you know? There's, there's... It's the first time in my life that, that... So I, I, I had a [00:22:20] Zoom with this, with this, with my coach.

[00:22:22] **Cameron Mathison:** His name's Alan Kress, and he's my [00:22:25] guy. And Vince Pinstick, who he worked with, who I'm now working with as well, we'll talk about that later. But- Yeah ... [00:22:30] but Alan was on a Zoom, and I literally got tears in my eyes, 'cause he was, like, saying the [00:22:35] things and hearing me, and he's like, "I can guarantee you, I can [00:22:40] guarantee you that I got you."

[00:22:42] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm. "

[00:22:43] **Cameron Mathison:** If you follow my protocol, [00:22:45] I guarantee that your inflammation's gonna fall off your body. [00:22:50] I guarantee that I can balance your microbiome, get your hormones in balance, and your blood [00:22:55] work, your, your blood sugar's gonna go from 120s to 79, low 80s, and you're gonna be [00:23:00] eating 240 grams of carbs a day."

[00:23:02] **Dr. Taz:** Wow.

[00:23:02] **Cameron Mathison:** And I was like, "That's, that's [00:23:05] impossible."

[00:23:05] **Dr. Taz:** Wait, how many grams of carbs were you on?

[00:23:08] **Cameron Mathison:** 30.

[00:23:08] **Dr. Taz:** Oh my gosh. [00:23:10] Wow.

[00:23:10] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, chronically. So, like- Wow ... again, low carb diet can be very nice as a [00:23:15] tool. It's great to, to learn, get your body to be metabolically flexible. Right, right. Using carbs as a fuel. Right. [00:23:20] Using fat as a fuel.

[00:23:21] **Cameron Mathison:** That's beautiful. But you

[00:23:22] **Dr. Taz:** were

[00:23:22] **Cameron Mathison:** stacked in heavy. But I was... Yeah, exa- exactly. Okay. Oh, wow. It's extremes. [00:23:25] Wow. It's about the extremes. Right. It's about, it's about, like, sort of some middle ground and, and, um, and I [00:23:30] just didn't have any of that.

[00:23:31] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:23:31] **Cameron Mathison:** So the first thing he did was, like... And it was during COVID, [00:23:35] and I had to do a Christmas movie up in Canada.

[00:23:36] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. And I had to, I had to quarantine myself for two weeks. And he's [00:23:40] like, "These two weeks, no coffee." You know, obviously no alcohol's not a big deal for me. I don't [00:23:45] really drink. And, like, really nutrient-dense foods. He's- [00:23:50] he brought my, you know, my fat levels down, started getting me carb adapted. Mm-hmm. Like, really good, um, [00:23:55] s- and again, I was on one or two meals a day.

[00:23:57] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm. Fasting like crazy. Mm-hmm. Which of course is a beautiful [00:24:00] thing, but I was, again, extremes and-

[00:24:01] **Dr. Taz:** Right ...

[00:24:02] **Cameron Mathison:** like, nonstop. Right. And it wasn't...

[00:24:03] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:24:04] **Cameron Mathison:** So he's like, [00:24:05] "Five small meals a day." Mm-hmm. "So it's easy on your gut, easy to digest." I was like, [00:24:10] big meals, two a day, like... So, and he, um, incorporated carbohydrates, [00:24:15] rest and digest phase.

[00:24:16] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm. No working out. Yeah. Just walking. Right? And I'd never heard of that. I [00:24:20] was like, "What? Rest and digest?" I need to work out. "I don't need to rest. I gotta, like, I gotta go, go, go, go." I'm on camera. I need to work out. He's like, "You [00:24:25] gotta shut it down. Your cortisol..." 'Cause, you know, he, he didn't- Yeah ... we didn't test, but he's like, "I know your [00:24:30] cortisol levels- Right, right

[00:24:30] **Cameron Mathison:** are through the roof." Yeah. Um, and so two weeks of that, which was really hard. [00:24:35] First of all, I was a massive coffee addict, so anybody that's... You know, when I, y- like [00:24:40] Obviously, that was my one vice. I knew it wasn't great for me. But anyway, [00:24:45] so off coffee.

[00:24:46] **Dr. Taz:** Well, coffee, coffee just, you know, just to not, not park here, but coffee does [00:24:50] mess up the microbiome.

[00:24:51] **Cameron Mathison:** Especially when you're drinking it on an empty stomach. I hope my husband is watching. Empty stomach. Yeah. [00:24:55] Right out of bed in the morning. Yep. Like, if you're going to- Horrible ... incorporate coffee- Yeah ... the, you know, [00:25:00] the three main things- Yeah ... are try to go, like, hour and a half before you have it, try to have something in your stomach before- Right

[00:25:04] **Cameron Mathison:** you drink it, [00:25:05] and make sure it's, like, really good quality, um, tested, organic and all that. Those... If you do that, it's not [00:25:10] gonna, like- Right,

[00:25:10] **Dr. Taz:** it's not that

[00:25:10] **Cameron Mathison:** bad, right. But if you come out of bed and you're exhausted and the first thing you do is, like, pound coffee and then- [00:25:15] Right ... use it to wake you up and it, it's just an artificial kinda stimulant of your cortisol and it's- Right

[00:25:19] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:25:20] it's... That, that every once in a while is fine, but if you're doing that day after day after day after [00:25:25] day, you get into a, like, a bad state. Right. So anyway, I did this rest and digest phase. [00:25:30] Um, started incorporating carbohydrates. My, my blood sugar wasn't coming down. My... You know, it was... It [00:25:35] took... Obviously, my body needed some time to really heal.

[00:25:38] **Cameron Mathison:** It was like healing your bo- [00:25:40] feeding your body. Mm-hmm. Like, and then feeding me up with all these unbelievably nutrient-dense foods. [00:25:45] Obviously, we've heard eating the rainbow, you know, maybe at the, at the time, it was very Mediterranean [00:25:50] style diet- Right ... like white fish and clean proteins, mostly, you know, veggies, some low [00:25:55] sugar fruits, and really just kinda breaking it up.

[00:25:57] **Cameron Mathison:** And then, um, a, it was... didn't take long. [00:26:00] I would say, uh, after the two-week flush and then started incorporating light workouts, [00:26:05] never to failure initially, like really letting your body heal and working your way up. [00:26:10] Then all of a sudden my body started to respond, inflammation started falling off. I started, [00:26:15] um...

[00:26:15] **Cameron Mathison:** My, my gut distention started coming like nice and flat Wow I started feeling [00:26:20] like, I literally felt like nutrients were absorbing. I was using a lot of supplements too. I was using something to help my [00:26:25] cortisol at night. Mm-hmm. I did a whole cortisol reset.

[00:26:27] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm.

[00:26:28] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, you know, not everybody [00:26:30] needs all this.

[00:26:30] **Cameron Mathison:** I'm just saying what, what helped me get into the phase, uh, to this next sort of stage in my [00:26:35] life.

[00:26:35] **Dr. Taz:** Um- So this is all working with the coach, right?

[00:26:37] **Cameron Mathison:** All working with the coach. This is not- Very laid out. Yeah, this is okay. So, so [00:26:40] functional health coaching. Right Looking at lifestyle, like really deep thorough lifestyle [00:26:45] changes.

[00:26:45] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, looking at, um, things like hormone balance- Mm-hmm ... and gut health and, and, and [00:26:50] supplementation. Uh, following your training routine, following your rest, you know, [00:26:55] prioritizing things like sleep and drinking wa- Like really doing it. Right. We hear these things-

[00:26:59] **Dr. Taz:** Right ...

[00:26:59] **Cameron Mathison:** on [00:27:00] little Instagram, like f- Right ... top five, but like making you a real schedule and [00:27:05] incorporating it and then eventually after some testing, um, to check y- like [00:27:10] a, a very elaborate hormone test called the Dutch Test.

[00:27:13] **Dr. Taz:** Yep. Mm-hmm.

[00:27:13] **Cameron Mathison:** Which I know you know about. Hmm. Most [00:27:15] people don't. They just do blood work. Mm-hmm. And blood work is great, but it's just a moment in time. Doesn't show you how your m- [00:27:20] your hormones are metabolizing- How they ... Yep ... through your system and detoxing out. So th- I would highly recommend the Dutch Test.

[00:27:24] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:27:25] You gotta get like some PhD guy to read it 'cause those things are like impossible to read. All the pathways. [00:27:30] Yeah. Th- like it's all nuts. But anyway if you guys- Back to med school stuff, right ... I w- I would highly recommend a GI [00:27:35] map for people that, most people that don't even realize it. Their, you know, to, [00:27:40] to check their inflammation levels in their gut, their microbiome, their, their, uh, their also tests [00:27:45] for parasites things like that.

[00:27:47] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, so I did those testing, and then from that [00:27:50] work we did a really unique, um, microbiome balancing- Mm-hmm ... [00:27:55] protocol. Mm-hmm. Which is the only thing that has ever helped my gut-

[00:27:59] **Dr. Taz:** [00:28:00] Wow ...

[00:28:00] **Cameron Mathison:** out of anything I've ever tried. I'm talking antibiotics, I'm talk- Yeah ... nothing has been [00:28:05] able to, um, ba- like k- it's kill off the bad bacteria and [00:28:10] feed the good bacteria effectively.

[00:28:12] **Cameron Mathison:** Right. Um, I don't know how much this is boring. I, actually- And you can [00:28:15] cut this all out. Do you wanna hear the protocol? I, I, I wanna know because- No, this is the, this is [00:28:20] the only thing- ... I really wanna know ... that ha-... If you looked at my GI map now-- Right. Right ... this is the gut test. You look at my GI map now- Right

[00:28:24] **Cameron Mathison:** and my [00:28:25] GI map before-

[00:28:25] **Dr. Taz:** Right ...

[00:28:26] **Cameron Mathison:** you'd think it was a different person.

[00:28:27] **Dr. Taz:** Wow.

[00:28:28] **Cameron Mathison:** I have never, and I'm talking about [00:28:30] 12 years of trying things for my gut.

[00:28:33] **Dr. Taz:** Right. '

[00:28:33] **Cameron Mathison:** Cause remember, those, those protein [00:28:35] pump inhibitors- Yep ... destroyed my gut, destroyed the acid production, uh, you know, bacterial overgrowth, [00:28:40] leaky gut, strong H.

[00:28:42] **Cameron Mathison:** pylori, uh- All of that, yeah ... parasites. Because, you know, it's, [00:28:45] like, your immune system is screw-, you know, and that affects your energy, that affects your, your [00:28:50] cognition. Right. That affects so many things.

[00:28:50] **Dr. Taz:** That is ground zero of health. We've talked about that over and over again. Chinese medicine talks about that.

[00:28:54] **Dr. Taz:** Absolutely. That's [00:28:55] where you begin, you know, when it comes... And even that low white count, and this is, again, why we [00:29:00] need everything to marry each other. Like, that low white count-

[00:29:02] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah ...

[00:29:03] **Dr. Taz:** for anybody, you know, watching or listening, [00:29:05] that's a sign of inflammation. You know? If you've got a low white count- Yeah

[00:29:08] **Dr. Taz:** it's time to start, like, pursuing [00:29:10] it. 95% of the time it's coming from the gut, at least in my experience. I know everyone has different [00:29:15] experiences.

[00:29:15] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah.

[00:29:15] **Dr. Taz:** So yes, I wanted-

[00:29:16] **Cameron Mathison:** It's so, so helpful. I think you did a post to that recently. Didn't you? Yeah. Yes.

[00:29:18] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:29:19] **Cameron Mathison:** So, so helpful you're [00:29:20] putting that out there. Yeah.

[00:29:20] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, literally I just stopped, and it's almost like, it's so corny, but, like, I get [00:29:25] goosebumps when I hear it because people are lost out there. They're

[00:29:29] **Dr. Taz:** so lost.

[00:29:29] **Cameron Mathison:** I know. Like, they ... [00:29:30] I know there's so much information, and I know we're all over the place, but there's really [00:29:35] simple protocols, lifestyle changes, maybe some supplements, some simple things that we can [00:29:40] do To help your, your inflammation fall off your bo- Absolutely.

[00:29:43] **Cameron Mathison:** Like I didn't really do that [00:29:45] much other than- Well, I

[00:29:46] **Dr. Taz:** wanna hear about your protocol and then- Okay,

[00:29:47] **Cameron Mathison:** okay, okay. So this is the gut protocol ...

[00:29:49] **Dr. Taz:** because I think it's [00:29:50] important 'cause the other thing that's happening out there right now is because there's so [00:29:55] much information-

[00:29:55] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah ...

[00:29:56] **Dr. Taz:** and because all these different terms are being used, holistic, integrative [00:30:00] functional, conventional, you know, all this other stuff-

[00:30:02] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm

[00:30:02] **Dr. Taz:** everyone's really lost. Yeah. They're [00:30:05] lost when it comes to where to begin a health journey, and sometimes they're overdoing it.

[00:30:09] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah.

[00:30:09] **Dr. Taz:** Right? Like they [00:30:10] have these- Or may often ... protocols that I, that come in and I'm like, "I don't know how you're keeping up with this." Like, I [00:30:15] couldn't keep up with this, you know?

[00:30:16] **Cameron Mathison:** Well, exactly. So- And they're probably on 900 calories a day, and they're working out six days a [00:30:20] week. Right. And they're ... A- and, you know, even my friends that I, I work with on TV- Right ... because TV, you know, you're [00:30:25] on ... They, they just, oh, I'm gaining weight. I gotta cut more calories. Right. And then four months later, oh, I'm gaining weight on [00:30:30] that calorie.

[00:30:30] **Cameron Mathison:** Yep. I gotta cut more calo- Cut more, right ... Your metabolism adjusts.

[00:30:33] **Dr. Taz:** Yes.

[00:30:33] **Cameron Mathison:** You gotta keep kinda [00:30:35] changing it, and that's one of the things that these functional health coach that we're wor-... They really [00:30:40] understand the metabolism. Right. They really understand. They work with extreme cases usually. Mm-hmm. Like [00:30:45] body builders, uh, power athletes, high functioning people.

[00:30:48] **Cameron Mathison:** Right. People that are on the [00:30:50] go fight or flight nonstop. Right. So they really understand that you gotta feed [00:30:55] and heal your body. Then once you get to that place, you can start working on maybe cutting [00:31:00] down and, and like, like losing some fat or building muscle or whatever it is. But first [00:31:05] You know, for most cases it's some lifestyle changes, it's some rest, [00:31:10] it's f- prioritizing sleep.

[00:31:12] **Cameron Mathison:** It's like don't go, go, go. And then also the gut protocol. Right, the gut protocol. So [00:31:15] here we go.

[00:31:15] **Dr. Taz:** Here we go. You're right. I'm like on the edge of my seat here. This is, this is the most life-changing- Give me the gut protocol ... thing.

[00:31:19] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, you, [00:31:20] you... I can't even tell you. So the idea is you've got these opp- we call them opportunistic [00:31:25] bacteria or bad bacteria in your gut. Everybody's got them, some people worse than others, and oftentimes they [00:31:30] get even more, um, sort of out of control than your, your beneficial bacteria that you really want and need in [00:31:35] your gut.

[00:31:35] **Cameron Mathison:** And so people say, "I'll just take probiotics"-

[00:31:37] **Dr. Taz:** Right ...

[00:31:38] **Cameron Mathison:** um, when that. Right. And oftentimes I [00:31:40] would say, like, I don't want to throw a number 'cause I don't really know, but I'm gonna say, like, 85% of the time [00:31:45] that's not gonna work.

[00:31:45] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:31:45] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, your bad bacteria is very strong, very tough to get rid [00:31:50] of. They're so much smarter than you think they are.

[00:31:52] **Cameron Mathison:** They have something called a biofilm- Mm-hmm ... [00:31:55] around them, which is a protective layer. It's like their armor. So even if you're taking, like, [00:32:00] a, um, a prescription medication to try and kill them off or antimicrobials, they're, like, [00:32:05] laughing at you. Um, they can... You know, it's, it's in... And, and I tried that for a long time, so I know.

[00:32:09] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:32:10] Like, I follow protocols. You walked

[00:32:11] **Dr. Taz:** the walk, right.

[00:32:12] **Cameron Mathison:** So the protocol is, uh, a three low carb [00:32:15] day, three high carb day. The low carb day... And this is why people on keto [00:32:20] or carnivore feel good in their gut for a little while. They're like, "Oh, I fixed it. I fixed my gut."

[00:32:24] **Dr. Taz:** And then they

[00:32:24] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:32:25] slide. Yeah. You're, you're just, like, s- you're just sort of starving them.

[00:32:27] **Cameron Mathison:** They're just going into hibernation, the bad bacteria. [00:32:30] Bad bacteria likes carbs. So if you're low carb and you're like, "Oh, I feel so much better. My gut's flatter," [00:32:35] that's amazing, but you haven't got rid of anything. You're not doing any kind of a kill off. As soon as you [00:32:40] eat some carbs again, you're gonna blow up, and you probably know that from home.

[00:32:43] **Cameron Mathison:** So anyway, three low carb [00:32:45] day and you take maybe some, you know, s- some good simple probiotics during those low carb days, [00:32:50] but you're starving the, the bad bacteria. They're getting hungry And then on your three [00:32:55] high-carb days-

[00:32:55] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm ...

[00:32:56] **Cameron Mathison:** um, be- 30 minutes before you eat, you take a biofilm [00:33:00] resolve. There's one c- from New Ethics Formulations which is really effective.

[00:33:03] **Cameron Mathison:** So that biofilm [00:33:05] resolve o- on an empty stomach before you eat helps break down the biofilm of the bad bacteria, [00:33:10] the pro- th- the armor. Then when you're ea-... And then 30 minutes later you have your carb meal. Mm. [00:33:15] And in your carb meal, at the beginning of your carb meal, you have these antimicrobials snuck in [00:33:20] the carbs, things like colloidal silver if you get to it.

[00:33:22] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm. New ethics also has something called Gut Defender. [00:33:25] ADP is a great s-, uh, um, version of oregano oil that will help [00:33:30] you. There's some garlic ones. There's things called FC Sida- And you don't wanna take them all at once. [00:33:35] So with a functional health coach, you'll pulse them. Like, you'll do a month with this protocol, and [00:33:40] then you'll change it- Sure

[00:33:40] **Cameron Mathison:** 'cause the bad- Yeah ... bacteria gets used to those. Yep. You gotta keep surprising them and coming at them from [00:33:45] different sides. They're so smart and so tough to get rid of. So three low-carb [00:33:50] day, you starve them. You kinda take a little bit of the, the probiotics to help kind of ... You're not really gonna [00:33:55] do a lot of healing of your gut then, 'cause you're about to come in with some killers, but it's still, [00:34:00] it's, you know, it's a little helpful.

[00:34:01] **Cameron Mathison:** And then on those l- or high-carb days, the biofilm resolve before you eat [00:34:05] And then you sneak in the killers with your carbs, and then the, the, you know, your bad [00:34:10] bacteria is hungry, so they come out for those carbs, and the antimicrobial's in there, and they're, they're also have no [00:34:15] protection 'cause you've taken down the biofilm.

[00:34:16] **Cameron Mathison:** And you gotta do this for a few months. It's like a tough protocol. How long did

[00:34:19] **Dr. Taz:** you have to do [00:34:20] it?

[00:34:20] **Cameron Mathison:** Well, the first time... I've done it... Because my gut's so bad- Right ... I'll probably have to do this every couple years, [00:34:25] maybe forever.

[00:34:26] **Dr. Taz:** Wow,

[00:34:26] **Cameron Mathison:** okay. You know, it's just a thing.

[00:34:27] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm.

[00:34:28] **Cameron Mathison:** Maybe not. Um, [00:34:30] but the first time I did it, I did it for, like, six months.

[00:34:33] **Dr. Taz:** Wow.

[00:34:33] **Cameron Mathison:** And, [00:34:35] um, it was, it was tough. Now, for maintenance, uh, I [00:34:40] just did it for about, um, two and a half months, and I've just finished that cycle, that [00:34:45] pulse, that carb pulse-

[00:34:46] **Dr. Taz:** Amazing ...

[00:34:46] **Cameron Mathison:** um, process. And, uh, you know, [00:34:50] it's... I'll do another GI map just to see how I did, just to kinda keep it back down. You know, the bad [00:34:55] bacteria's, they're really tough and they'll keep coming, um, especially with stress.

[00:34:59] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm. And especially [00:35:00] with eating processed foods, even though I really, really try not to. Um, that go, go, go [00:35:05] mentality. Uh, also because of the PPIs and I don't produce a lot of stomach acid, so you know, I [00:35:10] t- I actually take acid with my meals. I take HCL with pepsin with my meals. To digest better. To [00:35:15] help digest.

[00:35:15] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. Help get that nutrient absorption. But that, that protocol [00:35:20] is the only thing that's ever made any- Any difference? ... kind of a difference- Amazing ... whatsoever [00:35:25] with my gut microbiome. Everything else that I've tried has literally been almost nonexistent, [00:35:30] even though I've tried for years. Like-

[00:35:31] **Dr. Taz:** That's incredible

[00:35:32] **Cameron Mathison:** it's, it's a really effective way, um... You [00:35:35] know, maybe we'll be able to put, like, a, a, a link to my Instagram if you have an [00:35:40] issue. Yeah, definitely. I don't want it to get anything from this. Yeah. But, like, I can help guide people- Totally ... to people that [00:35:45] can help them with this. Right. Or I- I'll eventually, once I kinda get this, my own [00:35:50] little, um, thing going called Health360, I'll have links, I'll have information, and I'll [00:35:55] have posts and, and, and I know you do as well.

[00:35:57] **Cameron Mathison:** But, um, it's been [00:36:00] It's been a game changer. It really

[00:36:01] **Dr. Taz:** has. So to stay on this- Sure ... and we're gonna geek out just for a second more- Sure ... and then I promise [00:36:05] we'll talk about some other stuff. But, you know, as you've done this protocol and fixed your [00:36:10] gut-

[00:36:10] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm ...

[00:36:10] **Dr. Taz:** what happened to the rest of your body? What happened to inflammation, and [00:36:15] hormones, and cognitive health, and all...

[00:36:16] **Dr. Taz:** Like, what else did you see? That's

[00:36:17] **Cameron Mathison:** a great question. You know? That's a great question. And I will say [00:36:20] after, after that pulse program- Yeah ... you go through a real gut healing program- Right ... right? Like, gut tissue repair. You [00:36:25] start feeding with more probi- 'cause then you really can benefit from getting some good bacteria in there [00:36:30] and healing your gut lining and stuff, 'cause it's a, it's a tough...

[00:36:32] **Cameron Mathison:** I just wanna make sure that you say that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. You know, 'cause that is- [00:36:35] Right ... that's when you add in all the things that you hear on, you know, then your body can take it- Leaky gut and all this other stuff ... and you can [00:36:40] trust. Right, okay. So the things that I notice for sure, um, most importantly is how [00:36:45] much flatter my stomach is.

[00:36:45] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm. Like- Which everyone

[00:36:47] **Dr. Taz:** complains

[00:36:47] **Cameron Mathison:** about ... but everybo- I mean, everybody complains about Everybody. And, and there's, there's the [00:36:50] sort of like, you know, there's fat on your stomach, then there's sort of bloating, and then there's [00:36:55] distension.

[00:36:55] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm.

[00:36:55] **Cameron Mathison:** So all three of those I noticed went down, so, you know, uh, a [00:37:00] tighter, leaner abdomen, um, which probably has to do with more...

[00:37:04] **Cameron Mathison:** L- anyway, but other [00:37:05] things, but then less distension, less bloating. I noticed, um, absolutely [00:37:10] inflammation. Energy.

[00:37:11] **Dr. Taz:** Mm.

[00:37:12] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, sometimes I have trouble falling asleep at night, [00:37:15] like I'm just awake.

[00:37:16] **Dr. Taz:** Wired. Yeah.

[00:37:16] **Cameron Mathison:** I used to, I used to pass out on the way home from Home and Family.

[00:37:19] **Dr. Taz:** [00:37:20] Uh-huh.

[00:37:20] **Cameron Mathison:** I used to have to pull over 'cause I was gonna fall asleep on my way home.

[00:37:23] **Cameron Mathison:** I had no [00:37:25] energy. I'd come home and, and Vanessa would say, like, "You ha- you give yourself all the work [00:37:30] and y- you have no energy for me." I hear that all the

[00:37:31] **Dr. Taz:** time.

[00:37:31] **Cameron Mathison:** And, and it- All the

[00:37:32] **Dr. Taz:** time ...

[00:37:32] **Cameron Mathison:** and it's, and it's true. Yeah. And she's right.

[00:37:34] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:37:34] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:37:35] I mean, I didn't know. I didn't know why. Yeah. Um, and now it's just like I'm a, a, I feel like I'm a-

[00:37:39] **Dr. Taz:** [00:37:40] Different person

[00:37:40] **Cameron Mathison:** a different person. I love it. I'm like a 25-year-old guy. I love it, yeah. Like, you know, and, and so [00:37:45] yes, and then the other thing that I really keep a close eye on, and I know you do, too, is, is my blood sugar levels. Mm-hmm. [00:37:50] Um, w- we all should, but, uh, I now my, [00:37:55] my blood sugar is regularly in the l- you know, low, mid-80s.

[00:37:58] **Cameron Mathison:** Um- Mm-hmm ... so oddly enough, [00:38:00] healing your gut, reducing inflammation, lowering your stress, you know, taking a [00:38:05] break from coffee for a little while, all these things, um, for me [00:38:10] definitely were things that helped my blood sugar, um, uh, be at a good [00:38:15] place. And I'm talking about now I'm eating... Right now I'm at a, I'm at a protocol where I'm eating about 280 [00:38:20] grams of carbs a day.

[00:38:21] **Dr. Taz:** Wow. Much better.

[00:38:22] **Cameron Mathison:** And [00:38:25] I'm waking up in the- That's much better than the 30. I'm, I'm waking up- Yeah ... I'm waking up in the morning and, and my blood sugar's, you know, [00:38:30] 79, 85, sometimes 90, 92. Out of whack. But, uh, like much-

[00:38:32] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah ...

[00:38:33] **Cameron Mathison:** and meanwhile I'm having tons of carbs. [00:38:35] So, you know, carbs can affect it for sure. Like, when I do my three low carb days my blood sugar comes down.

[00:38:39] **Dr. Taz:** [00:38:40] Right.

[00:38:40] **Cameron Mathison:** And that's what you wanna see. You wanna be able to be like, higher carb days maybe your, your, your blood su- you know- [00:38:45] Maybe, maybe not. But on the low carb, you want your body to be [00:38:50] responding to your diet. You don't wanna be like, "Oh, I've, I've starved myself of carbs for five days and my blood sugar's at [00:38:55] 125."

[00:38:55] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:38:56] **Cameron Mathison:** Something else is going on there. So yeah.

[00:38:58] **Dr. Taz:** So much of our [00:39:00] mentality is, like, all or nothing, and that whole idea, you've... There's so much in what you said. [00:39:05] There's the idea of metabolic switching. There's the idea of diet- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm ... switching and cycling. There's the idea of carb [00:39:10] cycling. Mm-hmm. You know, but bottom line, I think, you know, there's so many stories here, but I think bottom [00:39:15] line is that we have to be a little flexible.

[00:39:18] **Dr. Taz:** It's not all or [00:39:20] nothing. You know, we have to have a little bit of rotation, variety in our [00:39:25] lives, in our diet, in our exercise, in all of it. And I think, you know, everybody just [00:39:30] wants that one formula and wants to be married to that one formula and thinks that that's gonna work for [00:39:35] everything. I love that.

[00:39:35] **Dr. Taz:** And it's simply-

[00:39:35] **Cameron Mathison:** I love that ... simply not

[00:39:36] **Dr. Taz:** true.

[00:39:37] **Cameron Mathison:** And there's so many benefits from some of the things. Like, you might be watching and be [00:39:40] like, "I'm a keto person." Right. "It's changed my life." And I totally get that. I still say you gotta... Like, [00:39:45] th- forget about me. The experts still say, you know, cycle in some [00:39:50] carb days.

[00:39:50] **Cameron Mathison:** Right. Some re-feed days. Change it up, like you say, to help that metabolic flexibility. You know, burning [00:39:55] carbs is fuel. Burning fat is fuel. Like, it's all so important. And yeah, there, [00:40:00] there's... But, but you're right. It's the extremes and sticking to one thing and, um, it-

[00:40:04] **Dr. Taz:** Very much. And [00:40:05] one, here's an area for me that kind of, I think this is what lights me up and keeps [00:40:10] me going, honestly.

[00:40:11] **Dr. Taz:** We do all this work. You've done all this work, you know, on the [00:40:15] physical body, right? And on trying to get all these different things balanced. Mm-hmm. You've already [00:40:20] talked about energy and how you've seen an increase in energy. I hear that, by the way, all the ti- I experienced [00:40:25] it personally, even in my own marriage.

[00:40:26] **Dr. Taz:** Like, you know, where one partner is simply not healthy, [00:40:30] right? So they're not able to run or function at the same level as the other. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And [00:40:35] that can create, you know, some sort of- It definitely did, yeah ... dynamic. Yeah. I hear from... I had a, a, a [00:40:40] dad on the phone, or I had a, a visit with him recently, and he was just like, "I'm wiped."

[00:40:44] **Dr. Taz:** He goes, "Like, at [00:40:45] home I'm wiped, and my wife has, like, cooked this incredible meal and needs help." And he goes, "I [00:40:50] can't. I'm wiped," you know? Mm-hmm. So for me, like, one of the biggest [00:40:55] motivators for me is being healthy is not just about getting all the data [00:41:00] right and being free of a diagnoses. It's also how you're gonna show up.

[00:41:04] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm. How [00:41:05] you're gonna show up as a dad or a partner or a colleague or, or, you know, whatever it [00:41:10] is that you're supposed to do in your life. I love this. You know, you talked about energy. What [00:41:15] else did you see as you've moved through this journey, this incredible journey, you know, [00:41:20] which I think is such a story in itself.

[00:41:21] **Dr. Taz:** But what else did you see when it came [00:41:25] to your life and what you wanted and how, what you wanted it to look like?

[00:41:29] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:41:30] Yeah. That's, you know, it takes you to kinda bring that. It's so important. [00:41:35] It's so important, and I'm glad that you, you kinda, like, brought that in. So, um- [00:41:40] Absolutely the most important thing obviously is, is you know being [00:41:45] there for people and being present an- and having that connection.

[00:41:48] **Cameron Mathison:** And I think you are a big believer in [00:41:50] this too and I'm wa- I'm talking a lot about like the body and the... The mind ...you know, like th- the [00:41:55] systems and all that. But- Right ...um, so much of my practice it's embarrassed that I haven't [00:42:00] mentioned this yet is, is work on, um just my mind. Yeah. On, [00:42:05] on my attitude, on my love, on my compassion, on my generosity, on my [00:42:10] selflessness, on my, you know, on my peace of mind, on my clarity.

[00:42:13] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, I work [00:42:15] and have been through all this for, for almost 20 years r-... I'm a big meditator and n-- [00:42:20] a lotta peoples hear meditation they be like, "I can't meditate." Right. Yeah ..."I'm too busy," whatever. And, and [00:42:25] um, it's not some sort of fluffy thing where you escape from reality. You can, you can be [00:42:30] involved in meditations that h- like literally like going to the gym help you grow your inner [00:42:35] qualities, help you grow your ability to care about others, help [00:42:40] you grow your ability to like consider others to be important and their desires and their interest to [00:42:45] peo-...

[00:42:45] **Cameron Mathison:** You could meditate on these, and those are like minds of love and, and compassion and your [00:42:50] mindfulness and, and then of course when you do that you can bring it into your life and, and your work and [00:42:55] things can get better too. Oftentimes meditation is [00:43:00] thought to like just to make my life better at w-... but it's so important to [00:43:05] use different practices to help grow your inner qualities as well [00:43:10] as like your outer- All the other stuff ...outer qualities.

[00:43:11] **Cameron Mathison:** Right. And so for me that combination [00:43:15] and having energy for both and, and making a pri-, you know making both a [00:43:20] priority, uh, has been a huge, huge, huge factor. And, um, yeah that's a big part [00:43:25] of my life.

[00:43:25] **Dr. Taz:** But you can't, but you can't even, you know my observation is you can't even meditate [00:43:30] fully and be present even for yourself if you're struggling [00:43:35] with pain or inflammation- Mm ....or any of these different things right?

[00:43:38] **Dr. Taz:** It becomes much- They work hand in hand for [00:43:40] sure. They work so hand in hand. Yeah. So f-.

[00:43:41] **Cameron Mathison:** But I will say this.

[00:43:42] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:43:43] **Cameron Mathison:** Meditation [00:43:45] can definitely help your physical pain.

[00:43:47] **Dr. Taz:** Absolutely.

[00:43:47] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, so you're right. They, we- It's hard to meditate when you're in pain ... they tend, they work [00:43:50]

[00:43:50] **Dr. Taz:** together.

[00:43:50] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah, but, but you, what we don't realize, and I'm, you know, I'm not an authority on [00:43:55] this by any means, but there's, you know, centuries of people have been talking about it, that, [00:44:00] um, how much of our back pain-

[00:44:02] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm

[00:44:02] **Cameron Mathison:** of our, you know, whatever [00:44:05] pain, has coming from stress, is coming from, and then through meditation and through understanding and being able to [00:44:10] sit with it, like, it, you can s- you can feel it fall away.

[00:44:13] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:44:13] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, you can feel- Yeah ... it [00:44:15] disappear, which is proof that there's a, it's just the mind-body connection.

[00:44:19] **Cameron Mathison:** It's very, very, [00:44:20] very important. Um, so it's, it's, you know, yes, you can grow your, your inner [00:44:25] qualities. Maybe you want to become less angry. Maybe you're, you suffer from addiction, and you can, you can work on these [00:44:30] things through the mind, through meditation. But also, it's going to help your body. [00:44:35] It's gonna help how you feel, for sure.

[00:44:37] **Dr. Taz:** I am such a believer in that, and I think that's... You know, I talk [00:44:40] a lot about science and spirit, and you're such an embodiment of that. Aw. I feel like you [00:44:45] know the science. Thank you. You've pursued it, you know, and you pursue the [00:44:50] spirit part of it, too, and that's really what I think makes people whole. It, we need both to really be [00:44:55] present in our lives.

[00:44:56] **Dr. Taz:** For sure. So, you know, we've heard this incredible health journey that you've [00:45:00] been through, how kind of the functional health coaching made such a difference for you.

[00:45:03] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. [00:45:05]

[00:45:05] **Dr. Taz:** You know, when you look back and you look forward, what was the biggest thing missing when you look [00:45:10] backwards? And then tell us about what looking forward means.

[00:45:13] **Cameron Mathison:** Hmm. The [00:45:15] biggest thing that I was sort of missing when I was trying and sort of [00:45:20] spinning my wheels- Yeah ... and swimming upstream, what was the biggest thing I was missing? [00:45:25] Well, I guess I'll have to say, this might be the obvious answer, I don't know if this is what you [00:45:30] mean, but the right guidance-

[00:45:33] **Dr. Taz:** Mm ...

[00:45:33] **Cameron Mathison:** would be a biggie.

[00:45:34] **Cameron Mathison:** I was sort [00:45:35] of trying to do it from, you know, this or that, or this, you know, the, you know, this [00:45:40] Instagram or that or like, you know- Right ... putting pieces together and going to extremes. I, [00:45:45] I, I think may- so the right guide, th- sort of an obvious answer, but I think maybe also, I'm [00:45:50] gonna, I'm, I'm gonna sort of...

[00:45:50] **Cameron Mathison:** This is what I learned through my- You want another- ... the right guidance ... yeah, but- ... is the right [00:45:55] balance- Ah, like that word ... between rest-

[00:45:57] **Dr. Taz:** Balance ...

[00:45:57] **Cameron Mathison:** sort of your parasympathetic and your sympathetic- [00:46:00] Yep ... nervous system. Like, it is so important [00:46:05] to be able to get the right ki- I don't mean like zoning out in front of a television.

[00:46:07] **Cameron Mathison:** I mean like going out for a walk in nature. I [00:46:10] mean getting some sunlight in the morning, taking a hot bath at night, going for long walks. [00:46:15] Like the, like really or s- like sleeping in, getting like- Mm-hmm ... I, I have [00:46:20] this crazy thing on my wrist, and people are like, "Oh, Apple Watch." I'm like, "No, it's a Whoop." It's a Whoop.

[00:46:23] **Cameron Mathison:** It measures my- Love it. Yep ... you know, my [00:46:25] sleep and my- Got my Oura You got your Oura, same idea. I've got it So you, you don't wanna be crazy. You don't wanna- Gadget, gadget Ouras and Ouras Yeah, it [00:46:30] can make you a little

[00:46:31] **Dr. Taz:** nuts.

[00:46:31] **Cameron Mathison:** But I know when I'm getting five and a half, six and a half, five and a half- Right

[00:46:34] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:46:35] seven, six, fi- Right ... hours of sleep, I'm like, I need to just like really prioritize sle- it's very, very helpful. [00:46:40] So I would say one of the biggest pieces that I was missing is understanding how that [00:46:45] go, go, go, fight or flight, high- Mm ... like living off of cortisol kind of mentality [00:46:50] was killing me. Like, it was just killing me.

[00:46:53] **Cameron Mathison:** And I think, um, now that I [00:46:55] have more balance, I, I, I was just seeing a post. I'm a, I, like, I'm a big fan of bodybuilding and I [00:47:00] love, I love... I know, it's just my thing. And I was like, you know, they're go, go, go, go. [00:47:05] Mm-hmm. And they do a lot of unhealthy things to get- Right ... to the way they look they do. Right.

[00:47:07] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. So I'm not a pr- I'm not a proponent of that. But what I'm [00:47:10] saying is, like, just even one... I heard this one post from this guy. He was like, "I was trying to keep up with Arnold Schwarzenegger back [00:47:15] in the day, working out six days a week, twice a day," whatever, "and I was getting, like, fatter and smaller, and I [00:47:20] couldn't figure it out.

[00:47:21] **Cameron Mathison:** And then I took three weeks off and went back to the gym, and I was lean and stronger than I've [00:47:25] ever been."

[00:47:25] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm.

[00:47:25] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, even y- like, even at that level, it's just like [00:47:30] you've gotta have a balance- Yeah ... between those two systems. It's so, so, so important. [00:47:35] Um, yeah, I, I was missing that. I

[00:47:36] **Dr. Taz:** love that. I was missing that.

[00:47:37] **Dr. Taz:** I lo- I love that, that balance. That's what's [00:47:40] missing. I mean, you have to understand. And, and to have balance, you have to be very [00:47:45] in touch with yourself. You know, you have to understand, okay, it's been, like, you know, I flew in last night [00:47:50] super late. I didn't do a heavy workout this morning. It doesn't make sense, right?

[00:47:53] **Dr. Taz:** Right. So I went for a quick walk. So it's, again, [00:47:55] understanding how to, how to flex with what's going on. Perfect. And the gadgets kind of give you some guidance. [00:48:00] Moving forward, though.

[00:48:01] **Cameron Mathison:** Yep. Moving forward,

[00:48:02] **Dr. Taz:** right. Tell us, like, what you [00:48:05] are hoping for when it comes to health and healthcare. And then you've got an exciting project that you're [00:48:10] working on.

[00:48:10] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah. So where does that fit in to where you see the future of medicine? 'Cause that's something that's very [00:48:15] important to me, is like, where is all this going? We live in one of the most unhealthy countries in [00:48:20] the world- Mm ... even though we spend so much money. It's

[00:48:22] **Cameron Mathison:** crazy.

[00:48:22] **Dr. Taz:** We have a huge population, men, [00:48:25] women, and children, who, A, don't have access, but don't even understand, [00:48:30] you know, how to begin when it st- when they are starting a health journey.

[00:48:32] **Dr. Taz:** And then when they start it-

[00:48:34] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah ...

[00:48:34] **Dr. Taz:** they're [00:48:35] often dismissed.

[00:48:35] **Cameron Mathison:** Right, right,

[00:48:36] **Dr. Taz:** right. So- Right ... you know, talk to us about the work you're doing and how that fits into the [00:48:40] landscape of where we hope health and wellness and medicine will go.

[00:48:43] **Cameron Mathison:** Okay. Well, yeah, that's... [00:48:45] Thank you for asking. And yeah, this is... So this whole, everything that we're talking about, you know- Yeah

[00:48:49] **Cameron Mathison:** your whole world is... [00:48:50] Like, I, um- I live it, I've been through it. I've had a journey and [00:48:55] I, I have been, you know, approached by my friends at, uh, at Vital, Vince Pitstick who's- [00:49:00] who's like kind of like the guru in this world of, of functional health coaching and understanding. He started [00:49:05] Metabolic Mentor University, this, um um, series, this, this, [00:49:10] um, series of classes for coaches, for doctors, for [00:49:15] nurses to understand this whole 360 degree approach at [00:49:20] health.

[00:49:20] **Cameron Mathison:** My, my, my slogan is, um, "You can't solve a [00:49:25] 360-degree problem with a 90-degree solution."

[00:49:27] **Dr. Taz:** Yes.

[00:49:28] **Cameron Mathison:** So he and I have [00:49:30] started Health 360. Love it. And it's, um, it's a functional, um, coaching [00:49:35] company, uh, that is going to be up and running v- you know very, very soon. It's through the [00:49:40] coaches at Vital. Uh they have their medical department for their hormone replacement therapy, for their peptide [00:49:45] therapy.

[00:49:45] **Cameron Mathison:** Mm-hmm. There's a elaborate testing division as well with the GI map and the Dutch test, and there [00:49:50] are gene testing and the blood work, and then there's obviously the training and the diet and [00:49:55] nutrition portion, really like understanding nutrition. This course that I'm going through, I'm going through MMU right now, [00:50:00] the Metabolic Mentor University, is it's so incredible at learning and meeting [00:50:05] people where they are.

[00:50:05] **Dr. Taz:** Right.

[00:50:06] **Cameron Mathison:** Not trying to give them too much too soon. Just like, listen if you're like [00:50:10] just interested we could start you off easy. If you really are, are fed up and you've tried everything and you wanna [00:50:15] dive right in, we've got that too for you. Uh, but really coming at health like you talk [00:50:20] about. Mm-hmm. 360 degrees including meditation, I'm gonna be offering like free...

[00:50:24] **Cameron Mathison:** Like certainly not [00:50:25] charging f- Amazing ... free meditations probably live on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. Like maybe couple times a week. Ah,

[00:50:29] **Dr. Taz:** amazing.

[00:50:29] **Cameron Mathison:** Uh, [00:50:30] for everybody whether you're part of Health 360 or not. But I'm, I'm, I'm doing this, [00:50:35] um, because I love it. I m- I've been doing it anyway. You know, people are coming to [00:50:40] me- Yeah

[00:50:40] **Cameron Mathison:** and understanding and-

[00:50:41] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah ...

[00:50:41] **Cameron Mathison:** and um, and I'm so excited. Like it's, it's definitely something [00:50:45] that I want to be a piece of, uh, a big piece of my future kinda moving forward, a big chap- this next [00:50:50] chapter of my life. Um, and I'll have a lot of information on that- Oh, I'm so excited about this ...on my, on my [00:50:55] Instagram eventually.

[00:50:55] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. But no, we're, it's in its infant stages, but we've got a couple clients already, kind of a pilot program. [00:51:00] We're gonna take on 10 people originally just to kind of get all the kinks out and work together on sort [00:51:05] of a discounted 10 people. Right. Right. And show what we can do, um, as far as ev- A- a- as [00:51:10] taking all the information that we're taking here, and I think this is a key for Health [00:51:15] 360 Is making it into a very simple protocol

[00:51:18] **Dr. Taz:** Yes

[00:51:18] **Cameron Mathison:** keeping things [00:51:20] very attainable, very simple, very relatable. Um, [00:51:25] and then but with like weekly hands-on coaching, it'll be virtual coaching, [00:51:30] but hands-on coaching check-ins. You know, uh, obviously it's all under one app where you can [00:51:35] get your supplements and your HRT and your peptides- Right, all of it together.

[00:51:38] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah ... and your training and your things and the video. Like all [00:51:40] of that, but just making it really accessible and very user-friendly with a very simple protocol [00:51:45] that's... Like I said, they said this to me, and it's so fun to be able to say it, like if you follow [00:51:50] the protocol, it's like a guarantee that your health is gonna improve in all these different facets, and I [00:51:55] didn't believe it.

[00:51:55] **Cameron Mathison:** Like, I really didn't believe it-

[00:51:56] **Dr. Taz:** Mm-hmm ...

[00:51:57] **Cameron Mathison:** until it happened. And, and I'd love ... I don't know if you're gonna be showing [00:52:00] photos through this or not.

[00:52:01] **Dr. Taz:** We can.

[00:52:01] **Cameron Mathison:** But, but I'd love to show like- Great, send it to us. I'd love to show, and it's not about the before and after Before [00:52:05] and afters. It's really not about the before and after, 'cause that, you can do a lot of unhealthy things- [00:52:10] To do the before and after

[00:52:10] **Cameron Mathison:** to get a great before and after. Yeah, yeah. So this, I wish you could do a before and after and put my, my, like my [00:52:15] testing results up too. Yeah. But it's amazing. In the before picture you'll see inflammation, you'll see [00:52:20] bloating, you'll see like, um, you know, smaller muscles and, and it just to d-... To me it [00:52:25] still looks, you know, I still look okay But I can see it.

[00:52:28] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. And then the after is [00:52:30] just a flat belly, strong, lean. Right. You don't know... What you don't know is like a, a [00:52:35] nice balanced gut, healed hormones are balanced, blood sugar low, energy through the roof. [00:52:40] That's, that's what this sort of Health 360 offers people and it's, and it's like it feels so good [00:52:45] to be able to put it out there.

[00:52:47] **Cameron Mathison:** If, if, if it's things that you guys struggle with, [00:52:50] of low energy and gut health and hormone imbalance and maybe low sex drive and [00:52:55] maybe metabolic or blood sugar levels are things that you know that are trouble for you, this would be so [00:53:00] great and helpful on any level, um, 'cause I know it's hard. Like I- Yeah

[00:53:04] **Cameron Mathison:** I remember, like [00:53:05] I said, being in tears, being at like wha-... I, I don't know what to do.

[00:53:09] **Dr. Taz:** Well, one of the [00:53:10] things you and I haven't talked too much about is the way, you know, the reason we have these journeys, the [00:53:15] reason I had the journey I had, the reason you do, the reason, you know, all the patients that we see have had these [00:53:20] previous journeys, is because the medical model today is not really set up [00:53:25] to dive into this, right?

[00:53:26] **Dr. Taz:** Like, it's sort of s- kind of over here on the periphery a little bit. Mm. [00:53:30] And so one of the biggest challenges for both the doctor and the patient is [00:53:35] that while both want to engage in this conversation, right, there's not the [00:53:40] opportunity in a medical visit that's 10 minutes long for, at most places- Mm ... [00:53:45] 15 minutes maybe at the max, and there's not been the training for the physician, [00:53:50] honestly- Mm

[00:53:50] **Dr. Taz:** to understand how to put this together and to be that guide, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, for so many [00:53:55] people it's like, you know, I say it in my head, I don't say it out loud, but it's like I wish I'd seen you [00:54:00] 10 years ago. Yeah. You know? But until that model changes-

[00:54:04] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:54:05] Mm-hmm ...

[00:54:06] **Dr. Taz:** functional health coaching, any way you can enter, I would [00:54:10] say, this journey- Yeah

[00:54:11] **Dr. Taz:** of healing yourself and understanding sort of the roots of what's going [00:54:15] on with you, that ultimately are going to change the course of your lives, to me is amazing, and [00:54:20] I'm gonna be cheerleading all the way.

[00:54:22] **Dr. Taz:** Aw, thank you, yeah.

[00:54:22] **Dr. Taz:** And supporting, 'cause I just think it's, it's so [00:54:25] critical, 'cause I know what people go through.

[00:54:26] **Dr. Taz:** We've been through it. You've been through it probably even more so than me. [00:54:30] But people need resources. They need help. They need someone to kinda hold their hand and walk [00:54:35] them through this, because it's too hard and it's too expensive and it's so [00:54:40] confusing to do it on your own. It really is. So I'm excited about this.

[00:54:42] **Dr. Taz:** I can't wait to see- Oh, thanks ... what develops out of it. [00:54:45] Thank

[00:54:45] **Dr. Taz:** you, yeah. I'm excited too.

[00:54:45] **Dr. Taz:** You know, and one more thing- Sure ... I think it's really important that we touch on. I know we're coming up on [00:54:50] time here, but men You know, women are really dialed [00:54:55] into the conversation. Most women are dialed into the conversation around health and wellness.

[00:54:58] **Dr. Taz:** Some of us are forced [00:55:00] to be dialed into that because we go through all the shifting, right? Yeah. We have a cycle, then we don't. We're pregnant, then we're [00:55:05] not. Sure. We breastfeed. I mean, like we're, you know, we're doing all this stuff all the time. Mm-hmm. You know, men [00:55:10] don't have those clear boundaries and benchmarks-

[00:55:13] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah

[00:55:13] **Dr. Taz:** and oftentimes don't [00:55:15] pursue a lot of this information and don't pursue a journey, you know, a health [00:55:20] journey- True ... until, of course, someone forces them or, you know, they have to have a day of reckoning, so [00:55:25] to speak. What would you tell the men watching, you know, or the women who are concerned about their men?

[00:55:29] **Dr. Taz:** Right. You know, [00:55:30] what would you tell them when it comes to this information, this journey, piecing it all [00:55:35] together, and really getting a plan that works?

[00:55:37] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. I, I love that, and I think you're right. I think a lotta guys, [00:55:40] you know, that's ... I don't know, may- I don't know. Maybe it's not cool. I, I don't know. I [00:55:45] don't know what, what's sorta keeping p- people back from wanting to really kind of, uh, [00:55:50] just give a little bit of time to it.

[00:55:51] **Cameron Mathison:** What, what I would say to the guys is I would say it's not [00:55:55] hard. You know, it can be simple. I like that. Yeah. It can be simple. Simple changes can make a big difference, [00:56:00] and regardless of if you're, you know, you're proud of your potbelly and your ability to, to like, [00:56:05] you know, drink 20

[00:56:06] **Dr. Taz:** beers-

[00:56:09] **Cameron Mathison:** 20 beers under the table

[00:56:09] **Cameron Mathison:** yeah, whatever. [00:56:10] Oh my, we said the same thing. Um, but y- like, I get, like I, you know, listen, nobody's gonna- Stop ... well, maybe we'll stop a little bit of that. But, uh- [00:56:15] Right.But, but generally it can be really simple, slight changes. [00:56:20] It's gonna make a big difference for your longevity. Yeah. Like, you wanna be around, you [00:56:25] wanna be healthy.

[00:56:25] **Cameron Mathison:** You don't want to be like ... So I'm a 55-year-old guy I swear to [00:56:30] you- The

[00:56:30] **Dr. Taz:** proof is in the pudding ...

[00:56:30] **Cameron Mathison:** I swear I'm not just saying this, I am stronger-

[00:56:34] **Dr. Taz:** Yep ...

[00:56:34] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:56:35] and healthier, you know, from a hormone point of view, from a blood sugar point of view, from a gut health point of view, from, [00:56:40] from all of inflammation, than I definitely was for sure without [00:56:45] a doubt at, when I was 30 years old.

[00:56:47] **Cameron Mathison:** Like- Oh,

[00:56:47] **Dr. Taz:** wow ...

[00:56:47] **Cameron Mathison:** like I'm ... It's, it's an [00:56:50] incredible... It's possible, um, and it's not that hard, and you can make [00:56:55] simple changes to, to, to, to be young, f- to feel young and [00:57:00] energetic and have vitality and energy in your life, um, you know, into your [00:57:05] 50s and your 60s and your 70s for sure. And i- it's, uh... And, and I'm not just a guy [00:57:10] who's genetically kind of like, "Oh, here," 'cause that's sometimes the case, and good for you guys- Right

[00:57:14] **Cameron Mathison:** whoever you are.

[00:57:14] **Dr. Taz:** [00:57:15] Right,

[00:57:15] **Cameron Mathison:** right. That's amazing.

[00:57:15] **Dr. Taz:** Brad Pitt.

[00:57:16] **Cameron Mathison:** It has been yeah, I mean- No, I'm just kidding. I'm sure Brad worked hard too but- [00:57:20] No, I'm kidding. I don't know, I don't know. He's... I- I don't know Brad's team, but it sure looks like he makes it easy. Right. He s- sure seems like he makes it easy. [00:57:25] But, um, it's been...

[00:57:26] **Cameron Mathison:** It's, you know, for me, it w-... it's been hard because I've done a lot of [00:57:30] the wrong things. I've tried this, I've tried that. But, and, you know, you and I found this [00:57:35] path- Right ... this process that makes a big difference, and it can be so simple. You [00:57:40] can be all in or you can be partially in, and it's still gonna help, and that's what I would say to the guys.

[00:57:43] **Cameron Mathison:** I'd be like- Oh my gosh .... and, [00:57:45] and y- and you wanna be around, you wanna be around to play with your kids, and, and you don't want to have, like, aching knees. I remember on Home and [00:57:50] Family we had... So this is the show that- Yeah ... that I was a cohost of- Where we met, yeah ... where we first met. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the seats were [00:57:55] so low, guys, on Home and Family- Yes, they were, yeah

[00:57:56] **Cameron Mathison:** that my knees would ache because they were [00:58:00] so bent that I was doing... This is... S- so on Home and Family I was- Yeah ... like, kind of a mess, and, and [00:58:05] my knees would ache interviewing, and I'd have to get up and stretch. Like, I didn't wanna be that guy.

[00:58:09] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah. [00:58:10]

[00:58:10] **Cameron Mathison:** Now I'm, like, s- doing low squats with 225 pounds on the barbell, and, like, I'm-

[00:58:14] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah, [00:58:15] amazing

[00:58:15] **Cameron Mathison:** like, I'm flexible- Wow ... and I have no joint aching. And I mean, I, I, like I mentioned, [00:58:20] my hip issue as a kid, I, you know, th- they told me I was gonna need, um, hip replacement [00:58:25] surgery, like, four years ago, and at the point now I've got no aching there and, you know, I'm just trying to prolong. It's- Right, [00:58:30] right

[00:58:30] **Cameron Mathison:** definitely gonna come, but I pr- try to prolong it as long as I can. Like, there's ways to [00:58:35] avoid bringing these aches and pains, and low energy, and all the [00:58:40] things, low sex drive into your, your later life, uh, in simple ways. That's what I would say to [00:58:45] the guys

[00:58:45] **Dr. Taz:** I think it's incredible. And you know, this isn't really been about aging, but I think all of us have so [00:58:50] much more we wanna do, you know, even if we're in our 50s, you know?

[00:58:53] **Dr. Taz:** And so we want to be vital. And then, [00:58:55] you know, the other point for anyone who's younger watching is that younger people are sicker. [00:59:00] You know, they're actually experiencing- Definitely ... inflammation. Guys are experiencing inflammation- Definitely ... low sperm count, low [00:59:05] hormones, all. For

[00:59:05] **Dr. Taz:** sure.

[00:59:06] **Dr. Taz:** You know, I've been practicing for 15, 20 years.

[00:59:08] **Dr. Taz:** Like I'm seeing it [00:59:10] more now than I did in the beginning of my practice where young men are really [00:59:15] struggling too. Wow. So I want everyone, I know I talk about women a lot, you know, but I [00:59:20] want everyone really on this train of pursuing, you know, their health because- It's beautiful ... it's gonna make a, [00:59:25] a difference for the long run.

[00:59:26] **Cameron Mathison:** Absolutely. Tha- that's

[00:59:27] **Dr. Taz:** like should- This has been- ...

[00:59:28] **Cameron Mathison:** be a big takeaway ...

[00:59:28] **Dr. Taz:** such a fun [00:59:30] conversation. So I, um, just two more questions.

[00:59:32] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah. Great. I'll keep them short. I talk too much.

[00:59:34] **Dr. Taz:** No, this has been [00:59:35] fun. So I wanna know what's next for you and what makes you whole.

[00:59:39] **Cameron Mathison:** [00:59:40] Aw. Um, so what is next for me is just like, as far as like life goes, so, [00:59:45] um, this is a really new chapter for me.

[00:59:47] **Cameron Mathison:** Uh- Yeah ... in the last, uh, I'd say [00:59:50] two and half years, um, uh, y- I'll just not, this [00:59:55] is not depressing. This is just like we go through it.

[00:59:56] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah.

[00:59:57] **Cameron Mathison:** So I've, um, you know, I went through a cancer journey- Right ... a [01:00:00] little bit longer than that ago, but then I, you know, I lost my mom.

[01:00:02] **Dr. Taz:** Mm.

[01:00:03] **Cameron Mathison:** Um, Home and Family got canceled. [01:00:05] Um, my, my wife and I had a 22-year marriage that separated.

[01:00:08] **Cameron Mathison:** We're now- So sorry ... you know, going through a divorce [01:00:10] together. We're getting along great, and it's all, it's all cool. My dog passed away, my kids have left home- Not the dog ... and gone off to [01:00:15] college in Europe. Wow. So like, it's like been one thing. You're like new

[01:00:18] **Dr. Taz:** territory.

[01:00:19] **Cameron Mathison:** So, so, you know, in [01:00:20] this, I would say what's next for me is embracing change- Yeah

[01:00:23] **Cameron Mathison:** embracing this new chapter. [01:00:25] I love having time to, to prioritize my health and try to spread it and help others. [01:00:30] That's, that's a big part of what's hap- next for me. I mean, I'm lucky I'm still on General [01:00:35] Hospital. I play, uh- Amazing ... Drew Cordayman on- Yeah ... on General Hospital, even though he's a real troublemaker right [01:00:40] now.

[01:00:40] **Cameron Mathison:** True. Yeah I'll just say this because it's true, but he's [01:00:45] having, like, a, a love, a love triangle between Nina and Willow, and Willow happens [01:00:50] to be Nina's daughter. Ooh. So it's like, it's a whole- Wow. It's a triangle. Nice. But it's fun. Like, [01:00:55] it's kinda weird, and it's got ... I'm c- like, people are hating me right now- Oh, my gosh

[01:00:57] **Cameron Mathison:** which I'm not used to. Yeah. Um, and then I, I'm [01:01:00] hosting a game show for my first time.

[01:01:01] **Dr. Taz:** I heard about that.

[01:01:03] **Cameron Mathison:** Beat the Bridge on Game Show Network. It's [01:01:05] literally a blast. I have to check that out. So check that out, too. Yeah. So I've got all these cool things work-wise. I've got my [01:01:10] health-

[01:01:10] **Dr. Taz:** Yeah ...

[01:01:10] **Cameron Mathison:** happening, and then most importantly, what keeps me whole, um, for sure is [01:01:15] my spiritual life in conjunction with my kids and my family.

[01:01:18] **Cameron Mathison:** I love that. Uh, I'm a b- as I mentioned, [01:01:20] a big meditator. I, I care so much about being a good person, incr- [01:01:25] improving, you know, my ability to love others and have compassion and not take myself too [01:01:30] seriously, so selflessness and being generous and kind and, and respectful to others, and I train in that in [01:01:35] meditation.

[01:01:35] **Cameron Mathison:** I try to, I try to put that out in the world and try to raise two kids doing the same thing. So, um, [01:01:40] after this interview, I know this is not gonna be in real time, but I'm heading to Europe to go see them right now, so.

[01:01:44] **Dr. Taz:** Oh, amazing. I'm really [01:01:45] excited.

[01:01:45] **Cameron Mathison:** Yeah.

[01:01:45] **Dr. Taz:** Well, thank you so much. Thank you. I am so honored to have been able to spend [01:01:50] some time with you and to have everyone hear your story.

[01:01:52] **Dr. Taz:** Oh, thanks. I think you are such a great [01:01:55] example of what science means, what spirit means, what it means to be healthy, [01:02:00] how to pursue that journey in a very sort of logical and practical [01:02:05] way, and I can't wait to see what you do next.

[01:02:06] **Cameron Mathison:** I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me on. Yes. And I love what you're doing, [01:02:10] as I have from the moment I met

[01:02:11] **Dr. Taz:** you.

[01:02:11] **Dr. Taz:** Thank you. Well, thank you.

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