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I design and build software, and my wife is a kindergarten teacher. Join us as we talk about parenting, our careers, and whatever else goes on in our very busy, but very rewarding life.
um, guess who is now
officially on travel ban?
This guy King.
All right, I'm back.
You're back from my final
planned trip, correct.
Of the year holiday?
Yes.
Fingers crossed.
There are no unplanned work related trips.
Yeah.
Now maybe a little vacay for
Mr. And Ms. King solo style.
Would be nice.
That's a big maybe, but we do have
our anniversary still this year.
Oh yeah.
So I feel like it's not unreasonable.
It's not to want a trip for your
anniversary alone, however, san's
children, we just don't know that.
Dunno yet.
Definitely don't know yet.
But I think we can make it happen.
Who knows.
Alright.
I'm also here to show everybody
that the glasses and backwards hat
look, this is like designer and
this is the great value off brand.
Uh, I'm not off brand.
Like you're not even
wearing clear glasses.
Clear glasses is the thing.
Just kidding.
But we all know this is what you
get now is also, I don't remember
if I told you this or not, but,
um, for me and Josh's show mm-hmm.
Somebody, uh, so like he has the
bigger audience and so Yeah, for sure.
So.
So people will get on the stream
who are like his audience and don't
have like, really know who I am.
And so someone popped and they're
like, oh no, someone popped on and
was like, it's Josh and hat guy.
That is so incredibly accurate.
Um, fun facts.
Fun was hilarious.
Fun.
People just like don't know its
will if he doesn't have his hat on.
Even my kids.
Um, yeah.
There are times when our kids were
like little, little, if I didn't
have my hat on, they would get upset
and grab my hat and put it back.
Back.
Yeah.
Put my hat back on my head.
'cause I always wear it.
Yep.
Goodness gracious.
So, all right.
Episode three of the season.
Is it three or is it four?
It is three.
No, it's three.
I don't know.
It's three.
Okay.
Quit trying to confuse me on purpose.
Trying to gaslight me over here.
We're not getting into this
episode issue like we had
season one freaking gas lighter.
Goodness gracious.
Alison didn't call me a gas lighter.
Well, that's what you were doing.
You tell me I'm wrong.
Oh my word.
I was not gaslighting you.
You heard it here first folks.
Ally Gaslights.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
This is my lovely wife Alison.
Apparently you are lovely.
Gaslight wife Alison.
Well, whatever.
Anyway, I'm Will, I'm, this is, no one
asked us season two, episode three.
Let's do it.
There was something else
that I wanted to say.
You forgot.
I did forget.
Here's my surprise post.
Oh, stop it.
You look very surprised.
You should work on that.
Oh, okay.
Um, yeah, there was something else
that I was thinking about in the intro
that I was like, obviously I'm gonna
talk about me not traveling anymore.
Obviously, obviously.
But there was something else.
I don't remember what it was.
I'm sure it'll come to you.
And during one ramble you'll there.
It will probably right in the
middle of you saying something
if I had to make a guess.
But before we dive in Ooh.
And before we talk about your trip, okay.
And now that you're on travel
ban, let me be one to say that
I am so stinking proud of you.
I know, I know.
I'm being nice here guys.
Guys.
No, we have this on camera.
I know.
And Will Didn't know I
was gonna say all this.
I did not.
But it is not on our card.
It's not on the card.
Kelly, you didn't tell me to write.
We're proud of Will on the card.
No, but um, one of my favorite things
about Will that I've always told him
and will tell anybody who will listen
to me, is that he is without a doubt
the hardest worker I've ever known.
Um, when he has his mind set on
something like nothing is gonna
stand in his way to achieve a goal.
And at the beginning of this year, in
January, we were just kind of talking
about where we wanted this year to go.
Things that we were thinking about,
things we wanted to get done.
And one thing he told me, he was like,
I really wanna speak at a conference.
And I was like, okay,
well shoot you shot man.
You know, I'm here to help.
I'm help.
I mean, I'm just listen to in practice.
But you were very helpful,
very, very helpful.
Like if this is something you wanna do.
I am gonna be your biggest cheerleader.
Like, let's do it.
And I'm just here to say that now that
you've officially finished all three,
when you only wanted to do one, don't
sound too salty about it, Alison.
It's a little salt in there, but
I, I'm just really proud of you.
You worked really hard, you set your
mind to it, and you worked your tail
off to make the best slides ever.
You practiced really hard, probably
hard, probably tried a little too
hard on those for being honest.
Probably little too honest, but
like you just, you knew what you
wanted and I'm really proud of you.
And it's awesome to say that like
from January to now, it's September,
like that's really an amazing
accomplishment and you're awesome and
everybody needs to know that well.
So let me tell you, that's enough of
all the compliments that I have received
over this comp conference season.
That one means the most to me.
Well, by far I'm glad, because I'm
not gonna lie, I'm pretty sure you
are going to divorce me at one of
the points when I was like, by the
way, I'm flying out again on Sunday.
Yeah.
And you're like gonna kill you.
No, no, no.
It was Were they the most
wonderfully timed conferences?
No.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
But let's, but No, no, no, no, no.
I'm proud of you and you're awesome.
Way to go.
Well talk about this one now.
Thank you.
I'll gladly talk about this one.
So, ballet ocon, I think
that I have focused too much on
the technical side of my career.
Okay.
Okay.
From an investment standpoint.
That sounds so fun.
Um, and the reason I say that is because.
Value Ocon was very much a
like creative conference.
Yes.
Like it was like designers
and more creative people.
Not saying developers are not creative,
but like, you know what I'm saying?
Yes.
And it was so great.
Like it was so great.
Like I don't know what it was
about like that type of like the
creative type person, but it's
like that is actually who I am.
I know what it's, I was about to say
it's just who you are from like the
core of all of this and the start
of like your college career, right?
You've always been, it's what got
me into all this super of creative
And you were with like-minded.
Very much so.
And like this is no shade on like
any of my developer friends or like
tech developer, AER focused people.
Little should be.
No like No, I'm just kidding.
They're still great people
and it's still great talking.
Like I love talking about
all the technical stuff.
As well.
You like to have one
foot foot in both worlds.
I do.
But you wanna bridge that gap.
I wanna bridge that gap.
You're the bridge.
I'm the design engineer.
Anyway.
It, it is very much a, like I get tired
of talking about like, coding things.
Yeah.
At some point.
Like I love talking about it, but
at some point I'm like, I'm good.
Like, we've talked enough about
like how to map, map over an
array, but, um, I didn't get tired
of any of these conversations.
Like there was no point where I
was like, okay, I've heard enough.
Like my social battery got low
just from like, in general.
Mm-hmm.
But like, I was never like, oh man,
I'd rather not talk about like,
let's move on to something else.
Yeah.
Like, and I was just like, that
was a surprise to me because I
think I just dove so hard into the
technical side of my career that
it was just such a nice refresh.
Mm-hmm.
And reminder that like, hey will.
In your junior year of high school?
Yeah.
When you were thinking about what you
wanted to do for your whole career and you
found that Sketch a Day website that was
all of these like product designs mm-hmm.
That somebody had sketched up by
hand and your like jaw dropped to
the floor and you said, I wanna
do this for the rest of my career.
Like that's what got, yeah.
The spark lit in you to kind of
follow this path to begin with.
And that was like a really nice, it
was like a nice reminder from this
and it was just a Fanta, I'm gonna
quit giving you pens with the stickers
on it because I swear every single
time I give you a pen, you just start
peeling the sticker off of it again.
It's a, you just quit
messing with my pens.
Just leave the sticker alone.
Just pull it off right now.
We're not gonna bother with
this the rest of the time.
Crumble it up.
Get rid of the Alison.
This is, that was the most me thing
I think I've ever witnessed happen.
Wow.
Dare.
It's just a lot to dare talk.
How dare you be me.
We get it.
You're creative and you loved it.
Sure.
Can we move on?
Don't ask me how my trip was
and say you're proud of me,
and then be like, move along.
I don't actually wanna hear about it.
That's the whole reason
I say I was proud of you.
So you just move on.
Dang, it got me.
Alright, I'm gonna say two more
things and then we can move on.
Do you want it?
No.
Alison, throw it off camera.
Get rid of this.
Are you kidding me right now?
Oh, the disrespect mid-sentence.
You are the one that got dis.
Nobody could.
That's enough.
I know y'all all heard it 'cause it
was just literally the loudest thing I
think I've ever heard in my entire life.
It just.
Okay.
Imagine being a DHD and then your
wife's peeling a sticker while
you're trying to have a train.
Thought just, okay, I can
get you back on topic.
You were talking about how it
all started at your sketch a
day website, blah, blah, blah.
Moving on, you're not wrong.
But it was a great time.
I met a lot of like really good people.
So I'm gonna do a quick
highlight reel of people.
Um, I will say he did come
back from this trip talking
about a bunch of these people.
Yes.
Who, I don't remember anybody's
name, but he did talk about people.
One, don't hold it against me
if I don't mention your name.
It's not because I don't remember
you, it's because Alie can
only listen to so many people.
So I'm gonna try to mention people True.
That she's familiar with.
That's not true.
Alright.
So I'm not familiar with anybody.
One Rob Hope.
Rob Hope is from South Africa.
Okay.
And he is awesome.
We had him on the show with me and Josh.
Like a month ago.
Okay.
And then I got to meet him in person here
and he is like one of the most genuinely
nice, talented people I've ever met.
Awesome.
Super fun.
Love that.
Um, and then Drew, drew was the
one who threw the conference.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, drew is just an awesome guy.
Like throwing a whole conference
is a lot and he's thrown this
conference like six different times.
Mm-hmm.
And like, he took like a huge break.
It was like almost 10 years since the
last time he threw the conference.
Mm-hmm.
And he just decided to bring it back
and I'm so thankful for him doing that.
That's so cool.
That was awesome.
Alright, number three.
Dan Holick also great.
He works at Tailwind.
He's great.
You remember that time that I
went out for the Tailwind job?
Yes.
He's the one who got it.
Congratulations.
Because that's who he wanted
to hire the whole time.
Yeah.
So we had a really fun.
And funny story, me
telling him about that.
And then he told me like his
side of things, like how that
like process went for him.
Yeah.
And it was like hilarious.
Mm-hmm.
You don't care about it, but if
anybody, you should ask Dan about it.
'cause it's really funny.
Um, and, uh, there was another
will at the conference and we
just kind of, you, I don't know.
Actually this would be interesting.
I don't know if I was about to say
like, you know, when, but I'm like,
oh, I don't know if you know when.
I might know when.
Okay.
Let's find out.
Oh, all right.
You know, when you like go to
something new where you don't
really know a lot of people.
Yes.
Um, there's something about human nature
where you just, like, you find one person.
Yeah.
And you make some kind of connection
and then they're just like your
best friend the whole time.
Yes.
That was the other will.
Okay.
We ended up like, sitting down the
first morning at breakfast and like.
Yeah, then we were like
best buds the whole time.
All right.
And like it was like when you're not
sure who to talk to or like who to
grab a meal with, it's just like, ah.
Will, first of all, how dare you assume?
I wouldn't know that.
Do you?
Yeah.
When I mean I grew up, that's
how I met my best friend.
Oh, true.
Camps.
Camps.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Fair enough, fair enough.
Shame on me.
My other best friend across the street, it
was just like, oh hey, who were neighbors
but like we didn't really know each other.
And then like literally one conversation.
We've been inseparable for years.
That's fair.
That's fair.
Oh, I could keep going on and on.
Okay.
I'm not going to game
on, game on another camp.
Met Kaylee.
Boom.
Okay, fine.
Whatever.
Moving on.
Any more?
No.
Okay.
No more.
Alright.
Last value of con story,
then we'll move on.
Everyone got tattoos?
Not Will this logo.
Will did not get a tattoo.
This logo right here, everyone was
like, not everyone, but like a big
group of people was like, we're
all getting value Ocon tattoos.
And somebody was like,
will you need to get one?
And I was like, guys, my wife is
asleep and there is 0% chance that
I get a tattoo without running it
by her in any way, shape or form.
Y'all have fun, but also, do you
know what my answer would've been?
Yes.
If you want to.
I, yeah, I was gonna say, if
you want to, yeah, you do.
You me, you would've let me, but
I really just need an excuse to be
like, I don't want to, oh my word,
you used me is your excuse when?
Isn't that what being married is for?
No, my word.
Okay.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, tell me I'm wrong.
Like you're not, if you're married
to someone and you have not used
them as their a scapegoat, I'm here
to say I wouldn't have said no.
I would've been like, you
do whatever you wanna do.
I know you would have Alison, I know
you would've let me get a tattoo,
but also you would've questioned me
and been like, why didn't you talk?
You can get a tattoo, but
tell me about it first.
Yeah, that's true.
Although I will say Alie got a tattoo
without talking to me about it first.
This is true, but there's a reason.
And that one, it's a different
circumstance and I knew that.
Yeah.
Anyway, um, and on the way back
from Val Ocon, Aaron Francis, yes.
Um, text me and he was like,
how was the design conference?
And I was like, it was super great.
We had a really good time.
He said, please tell me
you did not get a tattoo.
Smart man.
And I was like, absolutely not.
So I thought that was really funny.
Um, but while I was gone at value
ocon, um, you went to grandmoms.
Ah, we went to grandmoms.
Tell me about grandmoms.
It was great.
I hate that.
I, this is the very first time
you've been to These are my parents.
Yes.
Went to Old Sam and Nance.
Took the kids to old Athens,
Alabama without me for the very
first time in a decade of being
married and being together.
I think I went before, like by myself
when we were like engaged or something.
But, but this is different.
Different.
I took the kids.
You went by yourself
with By their grandkids.
I went by myself with three kids.
I'm proud of myself.
I did a hard thing.
I mean, you, it is a very hard
thing to travel with three children.
It is insane to do that by yourself.
Left work school.
I told you not to school and
you're like, no, I'm doing it.
And I was like, proud of you.
And we drove up to grand moms.
They were great.
On the way up there, I had to
release a little bit of my, like,
my strong opinions about like
screen time and things like that.
Like, I mean, you know,
I had to be okay with it.
That's true.
And put the, they'd been in
school all all day though.
I know it's a personal thing.
I'm not saying it's wrong or right.
It was just my Okay.
My personal stance on it.
That's fine.
That's fine.
Um, but we'll let it slide.
Yeah.
We made it up there.
They were so pumped.
We.
I had the best time.
And then mm-hmm.
The next day, um, your mom ended
up need, she went to grandparents'
day for your nephew, correct.
Um, in Kentucky.
So your dad and I took fun.
The kids fun.
You showed up.
And then my mom left.
Mom is, um, your dad and I took the kids
to, it's called Let's Play and Oh, yes.
But the kids call it like,
let's play place, let's play.
They literally called it Let's
Play Place the whole time.
The whole time.
And it was, it's like a, if, if you're
trying to picture this place, it's
like a dis If y'all had discovery zone.
Yeah.
Growing up.
Like giant obstacle course that
just feels, you know, to a kid.
Yes.
The most crazy, magical, wonderful things.
Yeah.
Giant, giant ball pit.
Giant slide ball pit.
Huge slides.
Bouncy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, all the things.
And um, we went Friday, so most
people were in school, so there
wasn't really anybody there, but,
which I didn't even think about that.
I was like, it looks empty in there.
And it was incredible.
Kids played so hard.
We went So lunch you said
my dad went with you.
Yeah.
How was he?
How was that?
He was good.
Was he involved?
Yeah.
I mean like, he kind of stood out
there and he had like the eyes on
like the big thing and I was Right.
The weeds?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That track he was supervising.
Yes.
No, but he was very helpful.
I'd be like, have you seen Wilson?
He's like, yeah, he's over right here.
Gotcha.
You know, like Nice.
It was nice to have a second pair of eyes.
Wow.
One-on-one time with you and my dad.
That was great.
Father-in-law time.
Lemme tell you, Sammy.
Sammy loves to jam sesh.
Sammy, let me Oh, and he got
to sit front seat with you.
Yeah.
While y'all were kicking it.
Yeah.
Let me tell you, the kings
love to jam in the car.
Yeah.
We always have a good song going.
Um, and then they went home.
They napped, we played
the rest of the time.
Mm-hmm.
We went back to the play place on
Saturday when all the cousins were there.
And you sent me pictures of both days.
Yes.
Which, thank you so much.
There's nothing worse.
I think I spammed Will's phone.
Look, please do.
So if you were at that conference and
Will was like constantly checking, they
were, was just looking at me, smiling at
all these videos and pictures of my kids.
Here's Davis in a tunnel.
Here's Palmer and a ball pen here.
It was so great.
It was awesome.
And there was like a very noticeable
difference between, I was like, I didn't
know until Saturday you sent the one.
I was like.
Oh yeah.
Like yesterday was like
school day for everyone else.
Yeah.
So like you really had run of the place.
Um, and then Saturday, the reason
why we went up there Saturday night,
um, we had a wedding to go to.
Mm-hmm.
A family wedding took the kids.
Um, the funny highlight from the wedding,
um, it's out in the country,
it was very hot, was that it
was at like a barn, right?
Yeah.
But the ceremony was like, outside.
Outside.
And, uh, it's hot.
Everybody's sweating.
It's ready to get started.
And the boys are just getting
like, I can tell they're so done.
They're so done.
And I'm like, I'm, I'm just gonna
take them for like a walk and we're
just gonna kind of be in the back.
Mm-hmm.
So whatever happens, we're far away.
Mm-hmm.
Whatever.
Well, the.
Graham walks down and it's the like
processional time, greensman and
bridesmaids and whatever, and they're
playing all this like wonderful music.
And there are Wilson and Davis and
Wilson's like, let's swag surf Davis.
And they're in the back.
Did not know this.
And they are swag surfing.
Oh, we've raised our children, correct.
Don't know.
Was Google Auburn football flag?
Everyone.
Everyone who listens to this
knows what a swag surf is.
Hope they're our generation.
I hope so.
I would hope so.
Um, if you don't know what swag
surfing is like, so in the middle
of like super fix wedding, there
are two toddlers in the back acting
like this is like a football game.
And I was like, I promise you,
if one of those kids takes
their shirts off, we're out.
Oh no.
That would've been epic.
No, but then we had a good time at the
wedding, then we came home the next day.
Brought back a play to your
mom's chocolate chip cookies.
Love that.
I was so wonderful.
Time, so pumped.
Um, here's what I'll say of
what I know about the trip.
Um, I got back from my trip and I
asked the kids when I saw them, I
was like, Hey, did y'all have a good
time with grandmom and granddad?
How was grandmom and granddad's house?
And they all just go, dad,
we went to, let's play.
Play.
And like, that was the only
thing they would talk about.
So I'm like, it was a fun time.
I'm so pumped to get to go
back and actually participate
in all that because I did not.
You would love it.
Get to this time.
Your inner child.
I missed it so much.
I would love it.
Missed it so much.
We'll go back to the Let's play place.
Um,
you wanna know what's really funny?
What?
Ah, haha.
Oh no.
Okay.
You remember the thing?
You remember the thing that
I forgot at the beginning?
Yep.
Um.
I remembered it.
Okay.
In the middle of you talking.
Wonderful.
And then, so it's like a proverbial
sticker that you were fiddling with
to get No, 'cause I was listening and
I was not distracting you with it.
Okay.
Two.
So I remembered it and then I was
just about to bring it up again and
realized I had forgotten it again.
And I thought to myself, next
time you think about it, will
write it down on the card.
Okay.
And then I remembered, I wanna
talk about the card for a second.
Oh, gracious.
Not because I wanna talk about the
card, but because I want to say, um,
there's this show that me and Ally
watch a lot, and I don't know if
we've talked about it on this or not.
Where are we going here?
Taskmaster.
Oh, okay.
If y'all have not watched Taskmaster,
I think we've talked about that before.
Okay.
Well I'm bringing it up again.
Okay.
You need to watch Taskmaster.
It's on YouTube.
It's a British comedy show.
And one thing that I really noticed about
myself recently is that like, now that.
I'm doing, we're doing
like we do our podcast.
Mm-hmm.
And we do, like I do that
show with Josh and stuff.
It's like I'm now like, my brain
now thinks, how can I, we be better
at either one of those or how
can I be better at one of those?
Okay.
And so, like, I now like pay
attention a lot more to things.
Okay.
In shows and like, interesting.
Like I pay attention to like how
people approach comedy, comedic timing.
Like Okay.
Bits for a show.
Like what are things that, like,
shows tend to like, okay, how do
they pick something to do over and
over that would be like really funny.
Yeah.
Um, et cetera, et cetera.
And one thing that I really loved about
Taskmaster was that the taskmaster
guy just has this like little card.
And as things are happening, like
if he, he like thinks of something
or he is observing something mm-hmm.
He kinda like writes it down and, okay, I,
I took it and now I like write us cards.
So this is you saying you feel
like the task master right now?
I do, it does kind of make
me feel like task master.
It's also great because I fiddle a lot and
so this helps me to like have something
to do with my hands so I'm not just like
jittery and like not paying attention.
On the flip side, stop it.
It gave Alison something to fiddle with.
It seems Oh my word.
But I just wanna bring that up because I
thought that was like super interesting,
uh, that it's like, oh, like now my brain
is instantly like paying attention to a
lot of those things and like, uh, under
a recommendation from Aaron Francis,
he was like, you need to watch Seinfeld
because like Seinfeld is like one of the
best things to watch when it comes to
just like casual conversation comedy.
Yeah.
And I'm like, you're
extremely good at that.
Me already by default.
Yes.
Me.
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, I'm getting compliment.
You are getting complimented.
You and your whole family are so
like quick-witted and y'all like.
It's impossible to be around y'all
because as I tell people, it's like you're
really funny and I am really fun to be
laughed at, so it's like very whatever.
Anyway, so I'm trying to get better at
it and I like stole this little thing
from Taskmaster because it's so great.
And the show's so great.
But speaking of cards, the next thing
that I have written on the card Okay.
Um, is something that I wanna talk
about because, uh, I know that
y'all have probably heard this at
least a few times if you've been
a fan of the show, but I feel like
we've not really all four of you.
I think there's five now.
I think we've got one more.
At least.
Woo.
Season two, we're really
ramping up the viewership.
Wow.
Um, something that we have not taken,
uh, enough advantage of mm-hmm.
Is you,
um, and your expertise.
Okay.
You, my friend, are the world's
foremost kindergarten teacher.
And parent, oh my stars.
And I think if there's one thing that
you are extremely good at that lay
people are not, that just your everyday
parent is not, is that like you really
understood early childhood development.
You literally went to school with it.
You literally spend almost every day.
Before we had kids, you had spent
like almost every month of the year.
Now that we have kids, even when
you're not teaching, you're thinking
about like how to raise our children.
And so it's just like there is a whole
lot of expertise bundled up in this
chair across from me, despite all the
stickers that she likes to pick off of.
Pens.
Oh my jars.
It was one sticker, one time.
Here is what we are gonna do.
I am gonna ask you, I want you to
tell me what are three things, okay?
I want you to tell me
three things that aren't.
Get them on a sleep schedule
because we talk about taking care
of babies way too much on this show.
Okay.
And we aren't even sponsored.
So I really do besides sleep.
Okay.
Because I know that would
be in your top three.
Okay.
And we talk about it a lot already.
What are three things that
you would say are the most
important for raising smart's?
Not the word I'm going for.
Okay.
But like, well developed,
well-rounded, adjusted a not adjusted
capable, but like capable children.
Because like there's a lot of times where
you will mention to me like, oh man.
Like you don't really think about it
until you see this, this, and this.
Yeah.
And you notice like a kid can't hold a
pencil or a kid can't do these things.
'cause like they didn't have these things.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, as part of their childhood.
'cause the parents either
didn't know they didn't care.
Yeah.
Whatever the reason, there are
things that you're like, these are.
Very important things to be doing
while your children are small.
Okay.
To help them be capable
as they grow older.
Both.
Yeah.
Like mentally, physically, et cetera.
So I am going to write down okay.
What I think the three things you're
gonna say are, oh, and we are gonna see
how close I get based on me listening and
paying attention as a, as a co-parent.
And you're going to, you're going
to talk about each of them, and I'm
just gonna see, um, how close I got.
So, okay.
I'm gonna give you some time.
Gimme a second to write these down.
Do you want the jeopardy?
Like, do
Alright.
I, I already have two that
I'm just like, oh, I know that
she is going to say this one.
And then, I don't know a
third one if I'm being honest.
Um.
Mm. So that's the one
that I'm struggling on.
This is a really loaded question,
and while you're writing these
down, tell me why it's loaded.
Um, I feel like it's, to, to me
it's like, why, why wouldn't be?
Well, I can't tell you why, one sec, why
wouldn't you be able to pick three things?
Um, I don't know if they, it's
like I could almost pick three at
like different stages, you know?
Like, here are my three most important.
When it's like an infant, here
are my three most important.
When they're toddlers, here's
my three most important.
When they're in that
like kindergarten stage.
Mm-hmm.
I will say it's also loaded because
I'm not saying being a teacher and
being a parent are the same things.
That's not what I want anybody
to take away from this.
But they are very closely
intertwined because I spend a lot
of time with my school kiddos.
I spend a lot of time
with my personal kiddos.
So it's just like.
You're helping people work
through things all the time.
Correct.
So it, it is like a form of parenting ish.
Correct.
No, yeah, absolutely.
So my teaching philosophy and
my parenting philosophy mm-hmm.
Are so intertwined, which also for me,
and just for me, and I, I can speak
to this more later, like also ties
in like with my faith and my beliefs.
Okay.
So I am not saying I'm like
pushing that at school.
I'm most definitely not.
But I think there are things and
qualities, people wanting kids as
a whole that like for me align with
like my thoughts and my beliefs.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And my faith that I take into account
for my teaching and my parenting.
Ooh, interesting.
Interesting.
A lot.
It's very loaded because it's like.
Well, what am I getting at?
Kind of thing.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Okay.
Here's a quick question.
Mm-hmm.
Quick pre, pre-question then.
Yeah.
Just to give you a little more time to
mentally think about that while I ask
you about something completely different.
Okay.
Okay.
I just thought of this 'cause you
mentioned like you've got your own
kids that you're trying to parent.
Mm-hmm.
And then you've got kids at school,
which you feel like you're, you're
not parenting them, but you are
being a parent figure, a guard.
Like a, a, develop.
When you think about 'em,
developmental figure, I'm with
them from seven till three.
You know, like, alright,
here's a question for you.
Here's the question.
All right.
Do you feel like
you have a hard time taking off
teacher persona around your kids?
All the time.
Yeah.
And then do you ever think that
that's like a bad thing or does,
do you think, uh, that doesn't
really like, that's just a good.
Approach in general,
whether it's my kids or not.
Like, I don't think I should think of
it as like something that I should,
like, I don't think of it as negative.
I think it's just that's, that's
the muscle that is just like the
natural reflex of like, right, how
would I handle that in a classroom?
Or how would I handle that at work?
And so they're, they are so intertwined.
Like it, I don't think it's
necessarily a bad thing.
I mean, ask the kids later on
in life, it's like, did you feel
like mom was always a teacher?
They'll probably be like, well, yeah.
Yeah.
It feels like, it's like
the preacher's kid thing.
We're like, oh, it's a preacher's kid.
Preacher's kids and teacher's Kids.
Yeah, teacher's kids too.
All right.
So, okay, let's see how close I got.
All right.
You tell you you're three and then
when we get done, I'll see if we
will check and see how close I got.
Run down on a card.
Okay.
Go Ms. King.
So I'm telling you my three.
Things For top three things.
Top three things.
If you had to pick, if you could only pick
three, what would be the three things?
Okay, my first one is going to
be read, read, read, read, read,
read, read, read, read to your
child from the moment they're born.
Honestly, before, before they're born.
Every night, during the day, you put
as many books and words and pictures
and things in front of your child.
I
ding, ding, ding.
Wrote that one down.
All right.
I have print rich slash reading.
Reading is just, it's huge.
Um, and.
One thing that I would like to
point out as like a, a not childhood
development parent is that I always
thought, well, duh, of course you
read to your kid when they can start
understanding what you're saying to
the, like what you're reading to them.
However, like what I've learned being
around you is that you literally, if
you read to them from the moment that
they are born, then they understand what
you are reading exponentially faster.
Mm-hmm.
Like it is crazy how fast our
children, like, how, how much sooner
they pick up on words and stories.
The earlier you start like,
yeah, you don't wait till they
understand books to read them books.
It's you read, you read books
so that they understand.
Yeah.
Like language and, and words.
Alright.
Number two, this piggybacks
off of number one.
Okay.
Narrate everything.
Ooh.
As a baby.
I mean, literally got me everything.
That's a good one.
You do talk about that one a whole lot.
I mean like, oh, mommy wants
to fix herself a cup of coffee.
We're gonna go and we're
gonna open the cabinet door.
And I mean, like, will would
think I was a crazy person as
I'm, I mean No, you didn't.
No, but like, I mean, I narrated
everything to the point of
like, look, I'm putting the.
Coffee pod in the Keurig.
Right.
And I'm gonna close.
And like, I think people don't just like
talk to their kids like not Yes, yes.
Or okay.
They maybe talk with them
like, oh, you're so cute.
But, you know.
Right, right, right.
What you need to be doing is like
using actual language, actual
language and words and helping
them understand their environment.
This is another plug, I know we've
talked about it, but have we, um,
the Wonder Years app to track babies?
Oh, I don't know if we've
mentioned that one a while.
Developmental leaps.
I mentioned that while
I was at Valley Ocon.
Actually.
People, um, narrating everything
to your kids, what they see.
Let's go look out the window.
Mm-hmm.
Does the window feel cold?
Does it, I mean, not gonna lie, this
one really synced up with my natural
tendency to just never shut up.
So this was nice.
Yeah.
It's like, what, what You're telling
me that I should just keep on talking?
I can do that.
Um, all right.
That's so number one.
Mm-hmm.
Read to your children.
Read number two.
Number two, narrate everything in a
normal voice, not in like baby speak.
Mm-hmm.
What's number three?
See for me, I'm like having a hard time
picking because I'm like, I wanna get
to like the emotional side of things.
If you think that's
important, I mean, I do.
You've got and share your thing.
Be able, which one is it?
All right, this is where I'm going to
take just a little will king route and
talk about how this ties in with my faith.
Ooh.
All right.
So we love a rabbit hole.
When Will and I we're talking about
being, wanting to be parents, one
thing we always knew is that it's work.
We prayed for this, we've asked for this.
Correct.
We have to be like on it.
Um, you know, I think before
being a mom, I was always so
nervous about like the weight of.
Like caring for their soul, you know?
Mm. That's a pretty heavy,
that's a heavy thing.
That's a heavy job.
And you know, very heavy job.
So like fundamentally, what I want
my kids to know and feel is that
we are called to love the Lord.
Mm-hmm.
And we are called to love
your neighbor and yeah.
What does that love look like?
That looks like the fruits of the spirit.
And we have love, joy.
Joy, peace.
Patience.
Patience, kindness, goodness,
gentleness, faithfulness.
Self control.
Self-control.
So like, I think the good stuff, not,
we've not explicitly looked at each other
and said, we are gonna parent and use
nothing but the fruits of the spirit.
But it really became like this natural,
it's just, there's a reason they're
called the, like fruits of the spirit.
It's like these are the
result of having a heart.
Yes.
That is trying to be like Jesus when
your heart is trying to be like Jesus.
So this is what people should observe.
Yes.
From your behavior.
So like we make, and that people
include chil like your children.
So like I feel like for emotionally
speaking, this is where I'm like, we've
tied so much to those about like mm-hmm.
You're expected to be kind.
What does kindness look like?
Mm-hmm.
Kindness means you're not gonna
hit your brother or your sister.
Right.
Right.
You know, we're having peace,
we're going to include others.
We're gonna have, we're gonna be patient.
Oh man, what is patience was tough.
Means waiting and you know,
being okay with the waiting.
And so for me now to switch this into,
what's so funny is gentleness was
never a problem until number three.
And lemme tell you have worn that out.
We have worn the gentleness
control, fruit of spirit out Davis.
Um, joy, we have told our kids.
From the moment they were born.
Mm-hmm.
We want them to have kind
hearts and joyful spirits.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, we say it to 'em
every day before they leave.
Joyful spirits, kind
hearts, joyful spirits.
And so, and we love a mantra
for me, the third one is
helping them navigate emotions.
So like being calm and consistent.
Mm-hmm.
And I almost wrote this one,
but it didn't, defining what it
is, how to feel it, and what.
Is the appropriate reaction?
Yes.
Or like, yep.
You gotta think about, I always
thought about with our kids,
what is this gonna look like when
they're in the classroom setting?
I want Palmer and Wilson and Davis to
know they're gonna be asked to wait.
Mm-hmm.
And they're gonna be okay with waiting.
Right.
That they are going to, you know.
Be kind to their classmates.
So I, I would say they're gonna
be capable of all these things.
Things, because it's not
gonna be the first time that
they've had to, to, to do this.
Experience it, you know, like, yes.
You've got to think about the long game.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I guess my last one is think
about the long game and behaviors.
You know, if they're one of 16,
17, 20 kids in a room, right.
As much as they are
our whole world mm-hmm.
They're not gonna be their
teacher's whole world.
And they're not gonna be
anybody's whole world world.
So like, let's, let's be the kind ones.
We're gonna be the ones
that are in control.
You're gonna have the
joy while you're there.
You're gonna, you know, so I would say
just figuring out your why as a parent.
Like figuring out your why.
Why do you want your
child to behave that way?
And stick to it consistently, which yeah.
Consistently boils.
Boils down to routines and structure.
And that would be a gobbledy
goop of a number three.
Yes.
Yes.
Well, it's not a gobbledy go.
We're gonna stick with what
you originally started with,
which is like helping your kid.
The way that I would think I
would rephrase it to like a phrase
that is easy to take with you.
Mm-hmm.
Is that help your kids understand mm-hmm.
Is okay to feel the
emotions that they feel.
Mm-hmm.
But it is still their job to
control the way they react to them.
Correct.
That is like something we always
talk about and like an asterisk to
that one fostering independence.
Ding, ding, ding.
I do it.
There we go.
Yes.
Alright, there's another one.
All right.
So yes, independence is what I
have on here as one of my three
that I thought you had mention.
Yeah.
Because.
There is nothing worse than raising
your children and then putting them
out into the world or the school
and them being incapable, like you
mentioned, they're one of 17, one of 20.
I don't want our kids to have
to rely on some adult to be able
for them to function Correct.
In society.
And now, for example, with this, like
when, I mean fostering independence,
I'm talking about like they can throw
away and clean up their own trash.
Even beyond that, it's just like if
they spill their water, they know
I'm gonna go get a paper towel and
I'm gonna go, it's, it's the, it
all comes down to problem solving.
The mental thing of like, if something
happens, I don't have to wait for somebody
to tell me how to handle a situation.
Mm-hmm.
I'm going to be.
Like, I'm going to know I should be
taking initiative to figure this out.
Correct.
Love that.
All right.
All right.
So yes, independence, reading.
The other one I had was fine motor.
Oh yeah.
I thought that would make it, but I can
see, see why, like I said, like I just,
I can see after you mentioned your number
three, I'm like, dang, it will fine.
Motor was definitely not as important
as like that is also important.
Fine motor's important, but like
100% you had the right top three,
which is as we all knew she would.
Fantastic man, I kid you not, it is like
being married to like a super woman.
No, it is incredible being married to
Alie because I knew none of these things
and I only know to write the ones that
I knew how to write because Alie told
me them as we've raised our children.
And it is just so incredible
having a partner who like has that
skillset, that side of things.
Alright, let's wrap up
tonight with some fun them.
Okay, we got some questions.
Are we gonna do two or just one?
I kind of just wanna do one.
It better be a good one.
It's if we're just doing one,
it's gotta be a good one.
Okay.
Do you already have it in mind?
I do.
All right.
Well in that case, to wrap up the
show tonight, we are going to do
the same thing that we did last
time 'cause this is super fun.
Alie's gonna ask a question and
remind me of the rules again.
It's like you ask a question,
we have to try to write what the
other person is supposed to say.
Yes.
Like you're gonna write down what
you think my answer would be.
And if e, if you, I get yours wrong.
I get a point.
If you get mine wrong, you get a point.
Like if the at risk points,
points at risk, everybody, and
this keeps going in and out.
I don't know what's the problem, but you
have the red one keeps going in and out.
Yeah, I bet the battery's
just like low or something.
Well, it's four to three.
It is four to three.
So points are bad.
This is my chance, everybody.
We could have a tie ball game.
I don't think you're gonna get it.
What I did you, did you like go
through all of these yourself and pick
one that you think I'm gonna miss?
No, this is literally the next one.
Okay.
In the list.
Fine.
Hit me with it.
What's one movie I can
watch over and over again?
Oh, this is stupid.
This is so stupid because
you don't even like movies.
Oh, but there is an answer.
This is such a scam to this question.
Oh my gosh, this is gonna be so hard.
It is.
Oh my word.
Okay.
You've got, I've got, I've got.
I don't, I don't even know
my own answer to this one.
Okay.
I'm here to say that this pen
isn't even ready to be used
because it's got the little thing.
It's the same pen I've
given you every single time.
No, it's not because I peeled the sticker
off last week and this one has to stick.
You got me.
Okay.
First of all, let me think of the movie.
I would say, okay, because
honestly, what movie would I watch
over and over and over again?
Mm, I got mine.
I think we're both getting a
point, babe, but what's your movie?
What movie would Ally
watch over and over again?
Oh, ooh.
I think I've got it.
I don't know the name of it of
my movie I've got Or your movie.
No, I know mine.
My movie.
I just have three for you.
Oh crap.
Okay, here's what I suggest.
Here's what we are gonna do.
This one's tough, so he, I think
we should come to a compromise.
Okay.
We get to pick two, like you can get
two guesses as to what mine might be.
Okay.
And I will, we'll get two for yours.
I don't remember the
actual name of the movie.
All right.
Also, can I Google it?
Can I like, I know the yes, like you
know which one you're trying to think of.
Same.
I've got one, but I don't
have my phone in here.
It's on the charger, so I'm just
going to like describe it to you
and you're going to tell me if
that one's the right one or not.
Okay.
And then I'm gonna feel like
really embarrassed on our show
because I should know this one and
everyone else is gonna know it.
I feel like as soon as you say
yours, I'm gonna have been wrong.
Oh, okay.
Good.
I just remembered the name of it so
I don't have to look like a dummy.
But then you're gonna say your actual
choice and I'm gonna be like, oh,
obviously will get it together, man.
All right.
I have my guesses and I
also have, I have mine.
Okay.
I wrote three different choices for you.
Shoot.
I actually have two.
Which one would I pick?
I know you can just say 'em both.
Got one and I'll see if the lines with
any of the three I actually wrote down.
Okay.
We're just kind of doing a scatter shot
here and just praying we get anything.
Right.
This is crazy.
This goodness, grace, so hard.
This, I don't love movies.
Alie does not like movies
and like disclaimer, I don't
watch movies more than once.
Just generally speaking, you don't.
But there are a few that I have noted
that you were like, oh, so good.
Okay.
Alright.
You go ladies first, as they say,
throw out one of your guesses for you.
Tell me, wait, is this how this goes?
I have to tell you mine.
And then you have to see if
I, I wanna do it this way.
You're gonna to say one of your
guesses and I'll tell you yes or no.
'cause we've got multiple to go through.
Whereas if you just said
it, no, I only have one.
You only have one guess.
No.
Like I, for my answer, there's only one.
No, that's what I'm saying.
But like you say yours and it's
like, oh, well I think it would
be more interesting since we have
multiple choices for the other
person to like try and list them off.
Okay.
Alright.
So what is what your first one?
The first one?
Mm-hmm.
Was Secret Life of Walter Mitty.
Ooh, that is an extremely good movie.
Oh man.
That is definitely top three, but
that is not the one that I thought of.
Okay.
But that is a fantastic movie.
I do talk about that movie all the time.
All the time, all the time.
So good.
Alright.
But no, that was not the one.
I was thinking Christmas vacation.
That was not the one I was
thinking, but absolutely.
Honestly, it should be.
So it's like, I was like, uh, this
is the fact that you started it.
I like knew this one wasn't gonna
be right because you were like,
you're not gonna guess this.
I was like, ally, your family's
movie that y'all watch literally
every single Christmas Without
Fail is Christmas vacation.
Yeah.
All right.
So on that, that one, that was
not the one that came to mind.
All right.
What is your next one?
The can I guess the last two together.
That's fine.
'cause it goes together.
That's fine.
They're both Will Smith movies.
Will Smith.
Fantastic.
Pursuit of Happiness.
That's good.
But that's why I am Legend you
said to ever watch that again.
I Am Legend is a fantastic movie.
The very first time that I ever
watched I Am Legend was when I went
to go visit my brother in college.
Okay.
And I got to hang out in, in
just can just tell me yes or no.
The answer's no.
Okay.
But.
Just, did you do 500 days of summer?
You love that one?
No, that is a great one.
You're going to gimme like some
Star Wars crap or no, I'm not.
Okay.
Sorry.
National Treasure.
Ah, okay.
Incredibly good movie.
So good.
I wouldn't have like little
Treasure Hunter ahead.
Andt.
Gimme a point.
Little Treasure Hunter Will was
like, that was just the good stuff.
All right.
All right.
My last guess.
Last guess.
And I know this one's wrong now.
I just know this is not it.
Happy Gilmore.
That is not it, but get me a point.
I guess.
What is it?
You are on the right track.
I'll replace the batteries.
It is.
It showed up.
Remember the Titans?
Shut up.
I would never have gotten that.
I know you do like that movie.
I love that movie.
Movie.
I will watch that.
I would not have thought
anytime would gone.
I'll stop it.
I would not have thought
you would rewatch that.
How many times do I quote that?
I don't know, babe.
A lot.
I don't.
We would.
I need to pick.
Well, yeah, that's a classic.
We all say that.
I like, there's a lot Sunshine.
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
It's a good movie.
It's a great movie.
Wow.
We flubbed that one.
We did.
Um, here are, should we do one more?
Here are the three that are in my top.
Um, national Treasure Now,
secret Life of Walter Mitty.
Why did you count like that?
Because I'd already picked a number
two and so I had to do number three.
Uh, Batman begins such a great movie.
Fantastic movie.
I think.
Remember the timing Pirate
of the Caribbean Stop.
That's Hidalgo.
All right.
I got my top five.
I don't even know if
I've watched five movies.
Yeah, you really, that's not
really don't like movies.
I got lucky that I was able to get these.
And what's funny about these is like,
these are just like, I think these are
like, these are my guesses is because
like your whole family, these are like
the only movies y'all ever talk about.
That's not true.
I mean, whatever.
Yeah.
Alright.
I'm tired.
It's ice cream time.
Bye, y'all.
Have a good night.
Peace.