Episode 92 - Myles Silverman Interview

Show Notes

We're back for 2021 with a brand new interview, as we chat with our first American athlete on the show by speaking with Team USA hopeful for the 2022 and 2026 Olympics, snowboarder Myles Silverman! We find out from Myles just why he took up snowboarding and which famous US snowboarder helped him get involved in the sport he now loves. We also find out more about the training regimes involved in the sport, his connection to Ben's home city of Hobart, some superstitions over colours when it comes to courses and just why food and drink choices in foreign countries may help him towards future success in the sport! It's one interview you won't want to miss!

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BEN WATERWORTH: It is Off The Podium, an Olympics podcast coming to you for our first episode of 2021, an interview, yay! The crowd goes crazy. And we have a special guest on the show today, our first non-Olympian, I believe, since last year when we were talking to sports climbers. So this time we're talking to a snowboarder and an American snowboarder, our first American athlete on the show today. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, our first non-Canadian slash non-American athlete on this show. I could be wrong. I'm sure I'll get told off in the comments if I am wrong. But we're gonna be talking to Myles Silverman today. He is a snowboard slalom racer who is on the cusp of making the 2022 or 2026 Olympic team for Team USA. And it's a fun chat here, learning a lot about how we got into the sport, training techniques and everything else in between. And also a weird connection to Hobart. Stay tuned, you'll find that. And speaking of staying tuned, we are proud to announce here on Off The Podium that we are now officially an award-winning podcast. Sort of. We're at least an important podcast that we have made an important list, which counts as an award for us. So stay tuned after the interview, we'll come back in, we'll wrap up the interview and we will tell you why we're so good apparently. Anyway, let's go into our interview right now. Here is Myles Silverman, US snowboarder.

BEN WATERWORTH: It is a pleasure to welcome our next guest here to Off The Podium today. Very excited, actually, for this one on many different levels. I'm gonna start off by reading the resume of our guest. He's a six-time national champion, four-time collegiate national champion, four-time first team all-American, Sports Illustrated, Faces in the Crowd 2019, award named after him at his own college, a three-time competitor at FIS Junior World Championships, top 20 at FIS Junior World Championship, and this guy can listen to Nickelback for 10 minutes straight, which I think out of everything might be the biggest achievement there. He's our first ever American athlete on this show, which we're extremely excited for. And I also believe, and Colin, you may correct me here, our first snowboarder, or am I wrong there?

COLIN HILDING: Yeah, no, you're right about that.

BEN WATERWORTH: First one to snowboard. Right, I just had to go through the memory there of all the different sports we've had on the show. Our first snowboarder, it's a pleasure to welcome to Off The Podium, Myles Silverman. Myles, first of all, mate, welcome to the program. It's a pleasure to have you today.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, thank you so much, guys. It's sick being here.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, well, I wanted to make sure that people were aware of your achievements there. And as I said, congratulations on the Nickelback for 10 minutes straight. That one must have taken a lot of training to get up to.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, it's rigorous. I try to train every single day on that.

COLIN HILDING: I think Chad Kroger is even struggling with that right now.

BEN WATERWORTH: But it's, as I said, pleasure to have you on the show. And I mean, we've generally focused on Canadian and Australian athletes, given, I guess, that's sort of where we're based. But American athletes, you know, you guys are out there. We thought it's important. You guys kind of dominate the world when it comes to the Olympics and everything along those lines. So we thought it's important to talk to our fearless leaders and find out what it's like to win at the Olympics, maybe one day. But I mean, Myles, obviously yourself at the moment, you're currently competing, you're aiming towards the 2022 Olympics. So I'd love to get a bit of a brief background on sort of what drew you to snowboarding, what kind of set you on this path to, hopefully, an Olympic this time next year, you know, on the way to the Olympics.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, so I started out skiing. My dad was a big skier. So I started when I was one. I got into ski racing. And when I was doing that, I was like, man, this really isn't it. My dad always had like the extreme skiing movies going. So like pulling up in like a speed suit, like all that jazz, like that wasn't for me, I thought. So by the time I was six, I was like, I need to get a snowboard. So I did ski racing and snowboarding. I had like a deal with my dad, and I did some competitions in ski racing. And he said, like, if I did well, like I could get a snowboard. And then one of our family friends, Seth Westcott, he competed at the 2006 Winter Olympics in snowboard cross. And my dad, you know, like them being good friends and stuff, we decided to go out to Italy and Torino and go watch. So I think like I was eight years old at the time, and like seeing that huge competition, being in lovely snowboarding, I was like, this is it. So from there on, I always just had like this dream to compete at the Olympics.

COLIN HILDING: You said that, you know, your dad was into snowboarding and that, you know, also your friends was, I mean, Seth Westcott, that's a big name. I mean, that's a gold medallist right there. Did your dad race competitively? Did he have a certain sport other than snowboarding that he was in or was snowboarding just a hobby?

MYLES SILVERMAN: No, so my dad was actually big into the skiing. So he grew up in Cali and he spent like most of his days like going out by himself or like with his friends. And like one claim to fame that he has is like going heli-skiing in Alaska. So like he's all about the extremeness. But then like he moved to Maine, and like through my mum's family, he became friends with Seth. And like from there on, like my like Seth was a huge inspiration to me and like my snowboarding dream just grew.

BEN WATERWORTH: And what's that like having an Olympic gold medallist and just as a guy, hey, how you doing Olympic gold medallist? You're just my mate, you know, whatever, like give me some tips like that, just casual sort of friendship groups there, right?

MYLES SILVERMAN: It was insane. Like it's having like probably, you know, like a god to me, you know, like that age I was like, this guy's the man. Like not only did we see him win in Torino, but we saw him win in Vancouver too. So I remember just like being eight and like 12 years old and seeing like all of this happen and being like, I know that guy. And like, I remember we went over to his house one time and he got me like, he was sponsored by like Burn helmets. So like, I just remember he had this order of seven helmets and he just like tossed me a helmet. And I was just remembering how cool that was. So like, that's kind of like something that like, I've always like, you know, dreamed of, of like seeing, like getting to that, that point in my snowboarding career, you know?

COLIN HILDING: Talk about another first on the show. I mean, not just the first snowboard, or not just the first American athlete we'd have. I think you're the first athlete we've had on period that attended the Olympics before actually getting into a competitive sport, which is crazy, because Ben missed out on the Sydney Olympics when he was in Australia. I missed out on Vancouver.

BEN WATERWORTH: Both as an athlete and spectator, clearly.

COLIN HILDING: Both, yeah.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, sadly.

COLIN HILDING: I mean, I came close to the athletic side in Vancouver, but then, you know, missed out, didn't want to attend as a spectator. I mean, what was it like to attend not just one Olympics, but two Olympics back to back for winter?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Oh, it was so cool. I mean, like, I was snowboarding over there. Like, I remember I was over in Torino, and, like, my dad was like, you can bring your snowboard only if you bring your skis. I didn't even use my skis, you know? So, like, I got to snowboard over in different countries, like, way before I was competing in them. And I think that was, like, a huge thing for, like, my travel. But, like, also just, like, being in the Olympic environment and, like, seeing all of, like, the things going on, the different events, we, like, somehow got into the opening ceremonies of Vancouver. And, like, it's just, like, a huge rush, you know?

BEN WATERWORTH: Which it must then just be such a inspiration to add to everything along those lines and to get to witness and just that Olympic experience. Because we talk to a lot of athletes and guests on the show outside of the competing about the experience of going to the Olympics. And obviously, Myles, your goal, you're on that path towards the Olympics. You haven't experienced that as an athlete. But you, going into, when your first Olympics will be, have at least experienced, I guess, the vibe around the city in both Vancouver and Torino, about kind of what it's feeling like, which obviously differs from being a spectator and cheering on somebody you know, to then going into that with mentality of like, wow, I'm here, but this time, I'm the one who people are cheering on rather than me doing the cheering.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah. No, I mean, like, that would be just insane. Like, so I got to go to the university games twice. Once was in Kazakhstan, once was in Russia. And that whole thing is kind of like a mini Olympics. You know, like the one in Russia, it had like Putin came and talked at the opening ceremonies. So that was just like nuts. So like, I got to like experience like the athlete village, the, you know, the uniforms and everything, but being like, like, that's not like there on the Olympic scale. So like, I still have like those aspirations of going to the Olympics and like experiencing all that. And like, it would be unreal to have, you know, like I talk about it with my family all the time. They're like, my cousin, he's like, dude, like, I can't imagine like you making the Olympics, like you making the team, we would just go off. So like all of like knowing their emotions and like, it's just kind of like a fuel, I guess, for me, you know, like seeing how stoked they'll be, like for me, it's just kind of unreal. It's a good experience.

COLIN HILDING: Here's the part of the interview where Ben and I feel very old because we probably remember, I definitely do, and I'm sure Ben does, watching the first time snowboarding was ever competitive in the Olympics, and obviously that was big for Canada, Ross Rebliotti too. And I can't even tell you how jealous I am that, you know, you were in Vancouver when my favourite, maybe my favourite winter athlete of all time, JCJ Anderson took the gold. But when you're getting into snowboarding, when you're even viewing it as a spectator, now it's evolved so much where you have slope style, you've got snowboard cross, you've got half pipe, it used to just be half pipe and slalom. Did you set your sights on just one discipline or does it come down to, okay, well, I've tried everything out, and this is the one I'm best at?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Well, so basically, like, I've never really tried out snowboard cross. You know, I was kind of into the tricks, but I ended up breaking my back, so I decided to move over to snowboard racing. And, you know, I had, like, a bunch of concussions, like, when I was just, like, fooling around with snowboarding, like, early on. So we thought, like, snowboard racing is the safest bet, and, like, it took me, like, it took me to where I am today. And, I mean, I think with my snowboard racing now, I think it's probably, like, the only event that I want to be doing. I do love, like, backcountry, so, like, don't get me wrong. Like, hands down, after competing, I want to, like, somehow make it into, like, the movies in the backcountry. Like, there's still the piece of the extreme movies, you know, from, like, my childhood growing up. So, like, I always watch those.

BEN WATERWORTH: I have to ask, as a James Bond fan, and please tell me you get this reference, Myles, have you ever listened to California Girls by the Beach Boys while snowboarding?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, I haven't. No, I know. Maybe it's just because, like, I don't know if I'm a Gen Z. I don't know if that's right, but maybe.

BEN WATERWORTH: Next time. Which, it's interesting, kind of, I mean, as an Australian winter sports, not our forte, but snowboarding is up there as one of the ones we're actually good at. Obviously, Tora Brighton, Olympic champion for us in Vancouver, and we've had Jared Hughes and Scotty James obviously get a couple of medals at the last Olympics. So we've had a bit of a success out there in snowboarding. But is there, when you go from that transition from skis to snowboard, is there much of a change besides the obvious of having one big piece of plank on your feet compared to two? I mean, is there much you've got to mentally change in terms of your technique and training, and does the snow feel different? I mean, subtle things like that when you do switch it up.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, I mean, well, first off, I want to like shout out Jerry Hughes, that guy, like I've known him. He and I trained together over in Steamboat, Colorado. So like, yeah, he got second at the Olympics. That was huge. But in regards of like switching over from skiing to snowboarding, I think like there's still the same mentality in like ski racing and snowboard racing. You know, you have your line. You want like the high line and coming around and like pressuring through the turn to gain speed. But I haven't been on skis in like, I don't know, since I was 10, 11. So I really don't quite remember how much there was. I know like a lot of people that I talk to, they're like, you know, skiing is a lot easier to begin. You know, you have two planks. It's easier to balance compared to like the one where if you lean on your toe side, you know, you're just going to wash out.

COLIN HILDING: I'm not going to, you know, brag on myself as being any better. But I mean, Ben just had his first experience on skis. And I think I think that it lasted well, well, significantly shorter than you could listen to Nickelback.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, yeah, not natural. I put the skis on. I'm like, this isn't for me. And I just went back to the chalet and did some Sudoku puzzles. So, yeah, I'm not going to be challenging anyone at the Olympics anytime soon in skiing. So, yeah.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, we'll have to go sometime.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, yeah. Maybe you can help me to actually realise that it does meant to be natural slipping all over the place when you got a couple of pieces of wood strapped to your feet. So, yeah.

COLIN HILDING: At what point did you start to do this competitively? And I guess at what age, and what was the experience like? I mean, we talked to so many athletes, and they sort of fall into the sport. But I can't even imagine the amount of levels that Ben just ran through, you know, champion this, champion that. You know, how slow of a build this could actually be over time, but how many competitions there are out there. What was your first competition like, and how did you get into it?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, so again, it was like so crazy. I went to Reno, the Olympics, and I remember we met this family, and one of the kids that we met was like doing all these competitions for snowboarding. Like, that's how I heard of it. So it just like got me even more pumped up, you know. I was like, wow, there's something that I compete in now. You know, it's like a way out of skiing for me. But so then the next year, I was in, I think, fourth grade. I went, I competed in, like, I made my first nationals, which was like USASA. It's like a huge like stepping stone and everything. But it's great for like all the kids. And I went to Lake Tahoe, California for my first nationals. And then like, from there on out, it was just like training, training, training. Or like, I didn't really have a coach at the time, but it was just more of like on snow. And then like my fifth grade year, I ended up winning my first national championship. We're in like the age group, obviously. And then, you know, after that, my dad and I, we were kind of like, wow, you know, you have a talent for this. If you want to like pursue it, you got to be on Snowmore, you know, because of like the whole 10,000 hours. You know, like if you want to be professional, you got to have 10,000 hours at it. So all through junior high, sixth, seventh and eighth grade, I would take the winters off. And I was completely homeschooled. Yeah, it wasn't even like a homeschool. I wouldn't even say that. It was more of just like go up Snowboard and like read one book. I was getting, I was getting, I was getting like taught by like some, some people working at the bar.

BEN WATERWORTH: If we did in Australia, that's where we get all our education.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, it was, it was quite the time. I mean, I feel like that's kind of like where I learned, like that's where I matured the most, I'd say.

BEN WATERWORTH: What was the competitive scene like that point in the States? I mean, obviously the US has been very successful in snowboarding. I mean, you got someone like Sean White, you're probably the greatest ever person to strap on a board, right? So you're going to have a lot of attention there. I mean, is it always been highly competitive? I mean, I guess sort of US snowboarding is one of sort of the best industries you've got going for winter sports. So I'm guessing it's very competitive growing up.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, I mean, for sure. Like for slope style, like half pipe tricks, put like the US completely up there. Then you get over into like the racing, like what I do. And, you know, you come overseas and you see the Russians, like the Italians, the Austrians. These guys are just like on a whole different level. It's probably because like one, they're getting so much more funding. And two, like there's a whole group of those kids, like idolizing those guys, like the top guys. Like they publicize the snowboard racing side of things. And so like everyone like kind of like grows up and like wants to do that.

COLIN HILDING: One of the biggest differences we found with summer and winter athletes is the lack of ability to train directly with what you're doing with the winter because so much of it is outdoors and based on snow. I remember talking to a couple of mogul skiers years ago, and they would go to Australia and it wouldn't even be about snow. I mean, they're like, okay, yeah, we're doing ski jumping, like water ski jumping and stuff like that just to learn how to land. Whereas if you're a summer athlete, I mean, you can train indoors on a track, you know, gym, the same thing. How do you get around the winters or when it does come to the summer? Do you have to go somewhere with snow? And how much of the year is actually spent on your training?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, you know, I was actually like thinking about that today. I was like, wow, like in order to like be great at snowboarding, like you have to be on snow. I mean, you can like get things where, you know, you enhance your balance. You can work on your core. But I think like when it comes down to it, you know, it's not like LeBron James is just like playing beer pong the whole time to practise. It's more like he's working like with the actual equipment like to play. So for me, in the summers, you know, I got to go find somewhere to snowboard. So like I've gone down to Chile. I've been over to Mount Hood. I was in Mammoth for a bit. And then this past summer, I was unable to go because like there was the whole COVID thing going on. But the team that I trained with, they went over to France. So like for me, I think that I need to be on snow, like roughly over 150 days a year just to like keep up with the top guys. And like that's kind of like another thing, like how expensive it gets into because like you need like passes, you need like the travel fees, like all that. But, you know, I make do for not being on snow as much by like trying to be in gym as much as possible. You know, for something like I try to take like, I guess the yin and the yang, you know, like the bad is that I can't be on snow. So like I might as well like do what I can. So I work on like my mental fitness. I'm trying to read like a lot of like the mental fitness books right now. So I'm actually reading, what is it? Mind games. And like this is my third like book, my mind book that I've just like moved on to. And then, you know, like a bunch of video and then fitness.

BEN WATERWORTH: And with a sport, when it comes to slalom, I mean, a lot of that involves precision turning and, you know, hitting the gates right and everything. Is the focus when it comes to gym work, is that come from the legs? Does that come from upper body kind of? What are you working on to help those turns when it comes to slalom?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, so I actually like it's a lot of core from what my coach and I have been talking about. You know, it's keeping your upper body stable and letting your legs do the work. So it's really like keeping your core engaged and then letting your legs just do all of the work.

COLIN HILDING: And if I'm an idiot here, feel free to correct me. But it's not just about who gets to the bottom of the hill fastest, right? Is there a score based system as well, or is it just 100% a race?

MYLES SILVERMAN: It's 100% a race. So like you get two qualifying runs. So let's say there's a field of 60. So you get your first run on the red course or the blue course. And then if you're in the top 16 on your course, you make a second run. So then there's goes down to 32. So then there's 32 guys. And then in order to make finals, you need to be top 16 overall. So they'll take your time from your first run, and then they'll take your time from the second run, and then combine it. So then from there on out, if you're in the finals, you get seeded. If you have the fastest time, you're the first seed. And then you verse the 16th seed. So being the higher seed, you get to choose the course you want. And so first goes against 16, and if first wins, they move on to the next round, which is round of eight. But, you know, it's a complete crap show. Like 16th, like if first falls or something, 16th could completely move on. So it's really like trying to be like perfect for, I think it's six runs.

BEN WATERWORTH: That's insane. And is it a case of the course depends on whether you choose obviously red and blue? I'm guessing some courses, red's better, some's blue better. And does superstition ever play into that though? Like are you always like, hey, I'm always better at the red side. I'm always crap at the blue side. So like, let's hope I go on the red side first or something like that.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, I definitely think about that on the, like you get your starting list. And for some reason, man, like I think red is always like my lucky one. Whenever I get blue, so like red is on the left and blue is on the right. And whenever I get the red course, you know, I somehow like do better than I would on blue.

COLIN HILDING: When you're going down the hill, how much focus do you actually have on your competitor who you're side by, you look side by side, but because I watch and you're making so many turns, you're going to such a fast speed and just equating it to a summer sport. You know, if you look at, you know, track and field or a hundred metre sprint, Usain Bolt was considered to be completely out of his mind to look at the other runners, you know, but I have to imagine that you have some focus on who you're racing against is, oh, they look like they're a little bit ahead of me, or can you even gauge how close you are and how far ahead somebody might be ahead of you?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, I mean, you get it, like in the peripherals, like I can notice like where my competitor is, but then like sometimes like I've been trying to work on it, like with my mental game, like if I see them, like I'll try to like go faster, but like then I forget about my whole line and like what I'm trying to do with the course. And then, you know, I'll end up like messing up or something. So I definitely like try not to recognise them. It's only when like I cross the finish line, where like, you know, if you're far ahead, you can know, and you can like look back to see where they're at.

BEN WATERWORTH: It is one of the beauties about a lot of winter sports though, where you in a way can kind of cheer for the other people to fail. So like if all of a sudden you get like a bad start and then, you know, they're like, you know, five gates ahead and you're going, well, I'm not going to catch them. You just secretly got shit fall, fall, you bastard, fall, fall. And then if they fall, you've kind of got to not smile. Oh, what a shame you fell down. Oh, whoops.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, we talk about like how to intimidate your opponent in the Stargate. So you know who you're going against when you get into the Stargate. So we always have these jokes about, you know, how the Italians kiss each other on the cheek and stuff. You just ended up making out with a guy. What the hell? So thrown off.

BEN WATERWORTH: That's something we've got to see at the Olympics. We just all of a sudden want to see, you go to shake the other guy's hand, and just full on make out, and he's like, what the hell? Throws him off. Cool, sweet, gold medal for me down the hill. Exactly.

MYLES SILVERMAN: We always talk about different scenarios of how to get in their head.

COLIN HILDING: If you've ever seen the movie Baseball, Ben and I secretly wish that other sports would incorporate that taunting rule into it. How much more interesting could that be? I have to wonder with the Team USA, when do you know that you made the national team?

MYLES SILVERMAN: For the Olympics?

COLIN HILDING: Yeah.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, so for the Olympics, you don't know until literally like three weeks before the Olympics. So you have the World Cups, which are considered the qualifying events. So like this year, some of them are considered it, but next year is really like, if you do well at the World Cups next year, that's when the US will like take that into account. And then by January, the Olympics are in February. That's when they decide.

COLIN HILDING: What's the limit? Because I know with other sports, there's a certain amount that you could send in one sport. What's the number that US can send in your discipline?

MYLES SILVERMAN: They can send four. Like four men, four women. But at Pyeongchang, they only sent two men. And I think that was in part just because some people didn't meet the qualifications. And just so we could send like more athletes towards, you know, the events that we're probably better at, like slope style and half pipe.

BEN WATERWORTH: And what's the field like then if they're going to send four? So I mean, how many of you are there competing for those four spots at the moment?

MYLES SILVERMAN: So right now, like the top guys, they're around like fighting for that position right now. I'd probably say there's around like seven, eight people, seven, eight guys who are like really like fighting for it.

BEN WATERWORTH: And right now, how are you tracking? I mean, are you confident Beijing is possible? Or do you kind of think that maybe it's more of a case of 2006 in Italy and maybe a bit more of a romantic story? Whereas, you know, 20 years prior, that's where you first watched the Olympics and that's where you made your debut. I mean, kind of how are you tracking for both those games?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, so 2022, you know, I'm confident that anything can really happen. It's just quite difficult because I just graduated school. So, you know, all these guys have so much more time on snow than I do. Like, for instance, I'm at day 19, and like some of the Canadians that I compete against are over day 70. You know, and that's just like the toll that came with school. So, I mean, I definitely believe that my snowboarding like can make the quantum leap. And, you know, by next year, anything can really happen. And I could make 2022\. I'm still like in a good position. But 2026, like you said, I think it's like this crazy story that's coming together. Like my first time I was like that I witnessed the Olympics was in Italy. And then, you know, maybe like the first time that I go to the Olympics is going to be in Italy. So I like I'm stoked either way, like for how it turns out.

COLIN HILDING: We were able to talk to several athletes, the summer athletes who had the delay with Tokyo. And as soon as that happened, it didn't even click with us right away until we did an episode on it. We're like, this means that Tokyo and Beijing are going to be less than a year apart. You're a little bit further down the road. But as this drags on, and now there's talk that potentially Tokyo could be cancelled. Who knows if it will happen? I mean, I'm hoping not. Are you preparing for potentially going to a games where there's no spectators? Does that make a difference to you? Do you just want to go regardless?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, I mean, going to the Olympic Games would be sick either way. But at the same time, you know, I haven't really even thought about like having no spectators. But, you know, we've also talked about, you know, Beijing might get pushed back too. It might be 2023 instead of 2022, which would, you know, work in my favour as well. So I'm just kind of going with the flow right now. I love where the journey is taking me.

COLIN HILDING: We've gotten so many different responses. You know, there were a lot of athletes with Tokyo who were telling us, you know, this could potentially be bad for me because I was ready for this. And there's others who are like, you know what, I was coming back from an injury and this is sort of my second shot. So, you know, like you said, a situation like yours, you may actually benefit from having the extra year and that increases your chance. I mean, it's got to be a little bit difficult, I think, on both sides. Be like, you know what, I might have to wait another year. Who knows what could happen the next year? But then to also think maybe I have a better shot if this does get delayed.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, like I'm coming straight out of college and like I've got a great backup plan. You know, if snowboarding doesn't work out, if I get injured, but like I'm also like starting into like my full on snowboarding career. So I'm stoked like just to be getting like out here. I think, you know, Beijing, like there's great chances for that. I think there's great chances for Milan Cortina, 2026. And I definitely see like some of the guys that I'm training with who have like set their mind for Beijing. And they're like Beijing is my last Olympics and like that's it. So if it gets pushed back, so like it's just like ruining like it for them because they have like their whole financial set up for it. Like all of their training has been set up just for Beijing. But like I feel like I'm just energizing going in for like everything right now.

BEN WATERWORTH: You're in Austria at the moment, currently competing. How are things going? Like sort of what's the happening right now? I mean, is it just kind of you're travelling around Europe to different circuits? I mean, kind of what's happening right now and how are you going at the moment?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah. So I've been training. I've had 19 days on snow. I got here late December. I didn't get on snow until like early, like January 1st, I believe. And I've had two competitions. I had one in Simahue, Austria, and then one in Davos, Switzerland. And it's just, it's definitely like a mind game getting back into it because all these guys, like I said, have had like so much time on snow. You know, they've had so many competitions. And then like I'm jumping into like the middle of the season where they've been training like the summer, the fall, and like the majority of the winter. So I'm just stoked with like kind of like where my results are going. I think it's a great place to start out with. You know, it's not like where I want to be, but it's just I know I'm going to improve from where I'm at.

BEN WATERWORTH: I have to ask, I had an Austrian friend once, and Colin, don't laugh. I did have a friend once. And she used to talk about how, you know, people would make Australian jokes and things like that. Do Austrians get really offended if you call them Australian or like basically say like, hey, where are the kangaroos? Like, can you just mess with them over there?

MYLES SILVERMAN: With the Australians?

BEN WATERWORTH: No, with the Austrians.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah. I mean, the coach that I'm with here is Austrian, and I give him a bunch of crap for kind of like how he says everything. He's got like this like specific accent, you know? So like all of my teammates and I were, well, we'll all do it. He's like, oh, come on.

COLIN HILDING: Come on, no, this is very bad.

BEN WATERWORTH: I think we should have just done the whole interview in that accent, really. Just kind of, you know, try to elicit. It just reminds you of Dumb and Dumber when, you know, the opening scene is like, oh, that's a lovely accent you've got there. Where are you from? New Jersey, Austria. Oh, we'll throw another shrimp on the barbie, mate. Let's not.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Oh, it's a great movie.

COLIN HILDING: We're going to get into our final set of questions in a little bit here. But I have to ask you, you've gone all around the world. I don't even know if this is one of the questions. Do you have a favourite place you've competed so far?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Favourite place? I mean, I guess the craziest place, and I guess I like that type of stuff, was probably Kazakhstan or China. I was in China, and that was wild. I was up in Harbin, and I could have sworn that I had dog over there. It was the weirdest meat in the province we were in, Heilongjiang province. I guess back then, 2015, I remember my friends and stuff were like, yo, this province is known for having dog. So yeah, I ate this weird meat. We had a buffet style for all the athletes and stuff, and they had chicken claws, full-on chicken claws, that you could just eat. And then they only had three drinks, and one was milk, but it was completely curdled. So it was warm milk, and then Sprite and Pepsi.

BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, right. I would have gone for the warm milk, honestly, over the Pepsi. I'm more of a Coke fan. But yeah, I mean, that's something to put on, like I possibly had dog. You go to these countries, all right, and you kind of, I don't know about you, but something clicks in your mind, you're like, I'm going to try everything. I don't care. When am I ever going to eat warm milk and dog? It's not going to happen in Maine, so why not in China?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, in Kazakhstan, I had horse milk. I'm praying that it was horse milk.

BEN WATERWORTH: But you never know, one of these things might be like the secret elixir, like you all of a sudden have hopefully horse milk, and then the next day you win a gold medal. Coach, I want horse milk on that plane, every single competition.

MYLES SILVERMAN: How weird would it be showing up and being like, now I got to get horse milk everywhere I go?

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, exactly. One thing I have to ask though, you're talking about college now. You're, I believe, majoring in history and entrepreneurial studies. I want to ask about that. But the thing that I'm excited about, Myles, you went to Hobart and William Smith College. Now, I'm actually from Hobart in Australia, so it's exciting to see that there are places in the world outside of my little bubble of Hobart that exists. And I've looked through this school, I've looked through your Instagram, and got the hoodies there with like Hobart. You make Hobart look cool. If you went to Hobart in Australia, no one thinks of Hobart that way. So thanks for this college for making this cool. I mean, how cool is Hobart College basically in the States? Maybe I need to go there.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, it was a cool experience at school for sure. I mean, definitely I gotta send them this podcast and give them some love for the Hobart.

BEN WATERWORTH: And if they're listening, send me a Hobart hoodie please, Hobart College, because I want to rep my home city, even though it's not, it's a college, but it still works, so.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, at my president. Where's your hoodie?

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, yeah.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Oh, it was cool going to school. I'm glad that I did it. It definitely took away some time from my snowboarding. But, you know, it's always great having like a backup plan. I did end up joining a fraternity, so shout out to ESK.

BEN WATERWORTH: Is it like for us non-Americans, is it exactly what it's like in the movies? Like, just don't ruin the illusion for us?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no. Exactly that. But it was good. I ended up leaving Hobart as the president of my fraternity, even though we got kicked off. We had a fire on our roof.

BEN WATERWORTH: Standard fraternity stuff. Fire on the roof. Isn't that what you want though? Secretly, you want to get kicked out? That's kind of a badge of honour. As president, we got kicked out because I set a fire on a roof. That's all you need to know.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, no, I mean, we definitely got some street cred.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, exactly. That in itself will put you on the Olympic team. Like if they're looking there, the US Olympic team, going, oh, OK, we've got these guys. A couple of gold medals. But this guy, fire on a roof at a fraternity. He's on the team.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Amazing.

COLIN HILDING: Before we get to our final set of questions, I'm going to give you both some hope and a warning. We don't have the best track record on this show of people we've interviewed going on to medal. In fact, I think we're at zero.

BEN WATERWORTH: He's reading books about mentality. This is going to affect his mind. Don't tell him this.

COLIN HILDING: But here is the hope, though. We have a 100% track record of interviewing future Olympians who do go on to make the next Olympics. Maybe he could break both records. Who knows? But our final set of questions here, this does come from the Team Canada Olympic website. And some of these questions are pretty straightforward. You know, likely the stuff you're used to. Some of them are a little bit more fun, a little bit more entertaining. We're going to be going off of Pascal Dion here, who is a speed skater here in Canada. But the answers will be yours. You're not answering what you think Pascal would answer.

MYLES SILVERMAN: You're answering your own.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, you can add an extra challenge if you really want to, like, impose.

COLIN HILDING: What do you think Pascal would say? All right, so let's start with, my favourite Olympic moment is?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Oh, my favourite. All right, I'm going to do mine, and then I'm going to try to guess hers. No, favourite Olympic moment? Definitely seeing Southwest go win gold both times. I think Torino was probably the craziest. I think it was a comeback that he had. We were like, oh, damn, we're hoping he's going to get podium. We were just so stoked to go there for the Olympics, and the fact that he ended up winning. And then a few days after that, we got to sit down with him, and I got to wear the gold medal. There's a picture of that. So definitely that would be my favourite Olympic moment.

BEN WATERWORTH: It must be unique as a spectator, because I've worked and been to a Commonwealth Games. I don't know how familiar Americans are with Commonwealth Games, but sort of there. And when you're working as a spectator, you're obviously cheering for your own country, and then it's kind of interesting as a spectator when somebody wins a gold and you hear your national anthem. So I can imagine in the Olympics, you're there cheering on Team USA, and your mate wins a gold, and then all of a sudden you've got this moment where it's like, please rise for the national anthem. That must be an epic experience in the crowd to see that happen.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, it was unreal. We went to the medal ceremony, and I remember it was like, before the medal ceremony, they had Avril Lavigne do a concert. Yeah, I had a crush on her when I was like eight years old.

BEN WATERWORTH: That's why you're like Nickelback, because you know, a husband basically.

MYLES SILVERMAN: I tasted music.

BEN WATERWORTH: Hey, no, look, there's nothing. I was looking through your Twitter, and I'm seeing here about Kanye being your spirit animal. Also, I like the fact that you blasted rap at your brother's Little League games. So clearly, your music's working on many levels.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, I have not updated my Twitter forever.

BEN WATERWORTH: It's interesting, ready for 2016 tweets, which I don't know. Yeah, but good to see you got some nice, colourful straps made for you, that looks cool. And then there's also a photo of a sandwich, which looks like it's cheese, salami and Nutella. Is that the right reason? Am I looking at that correctly?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Oh yeah, on my Instagram. I was trying to contact Gordon Ramsay, trying to get all the cool food that I'm having here.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, and did he get back to you at all?

MYLES SILVERMAN: No, I still need help on my own.

BEN WATERWORTH: Well, he's a big listener to Off The Podium. So Gordon, if you're listening, we want you to, you know, hook Myles up with this. And also, again, Hobart, free hoodie for Ben. Colin, do you want anything free? I don't know.

COLIN HILDING: And gold medal for Myles Silverman.

BEN WATERWORTH: Done. Also, if you don't, I mean, you will win gold. I will say that, but if you don't, I've got three gold medals myself. They might be replica ones bought off like a Chinese store, but hey, if you ever want a Rio, a Sydney or a Tokyo gold medal, I can hook you up.

MYLES SILVERMAN: That's huge. Bake it till you make it. Yeah, exactly.

BEN WATERWORTH: I tell people I'm a three-time Olympic gold medallist, particularly from an Olympics that hasn't happened yet, and people believe me. So, you know, why not? Next question. Now, we might know the answer to this based on something you told us off there, but as a kid, your favourite sports team, who was it?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Probably the Sox, the Red Sox. It's still a huge team for me.

BEN WATERWORTH: So you would have been very young then when they won that first World Series. What was that, 2004? You would have been about seven. Do you remember that? Were you around for that?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yup, I was... I remember that they came back, they beat the Yankees. We were down like 3-0 in the ALCS, and came back. Best comeback of all time. I remember my buddy got the Sports Illustrated DVD, and we used to just watch that. So big comeback gift right here.

BEN WATERWORTH: I'll just add on that, that as a White Sox fan, we won it the next year. So, you know, just subtle brand. Broke our own drought.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, my dad's a huge sports fan, so he actually ended up going to every one of the games. Fantastic.

BEN WATERWORTH: And as somebody also now living in Victoria, just as a sore spot for all our Vancouver Canucks fans, Boston did then beat Vancouver Game 7, set off a couple of riots. Just a brief history reminder for our Vancouver Canucks fans listening. Don't riot.

MYLES SILVERMAN: It's all good. It's terrible.

BEN WATERWORTH: Also, Colin, when did the Leafs last win? Okay, sorry. Never mind.

COLIN HILDING: It's coming. It's coming.

BEN WATERWORTH: 60s nearly now, Colin.

COLIN HILDING: Oh, how about this next one? If I were any superhero, I would be...

MYLES SILVERMAN: Geez, probably Batman. Batman is like the OG.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah.

MYLES SILVERMAN: He's like the coolest one, I think, for sure.

BEN WATERWORTH: Have you ever been tempted to dress as Batman and snowboard in Batman costume?

MYLES SILVERMAN: No, maybe. Maybe like Catwoman or something.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah. And that would make when you kiss the other competitor, maybe wouldn't be as awkward for some of our conservative listeners. Yeah. At least they would think they're kissing Catwoman, and then you wouldn't cause a lot of offence out there for some people.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, we'd turn off if I was wearing a Catwoman too, they'd be like, who is this?

BEN WATERWORTH: I would be fine with it, then weirdly like, I know you're probably a dude, but you look like Catwoman, so, you know, it kind of works out that way. Who are your favourite music artists? I mean, we know Nickelback and Avril Lavigne clearly, but anybody else?

MYLES SILVERMAN: I've been pretty big into like rap, obviously, and, you know, Flatbush Zombies. I love Shy Glizzy. But also, like, I love like the old school stuff. So like Led Zeppelin, huge fan of them. The Stones. I don't really dabble with The Dead that much, but it's kind of like, it's really like all over the place. Oh, and the Chili Peppers. Love the Chili Peppers.

BEN WATERWORTH: I'm always worried when, you know, we talk to someone, and this just makes us sound old when we say someone younger than us, when you start saying like, oh, I'm really into old school, and you're going to start saying like, yeah, old school, like Backstreet Boys and, you know, fucking Spice Girls. I'm like, Jesus Christ, we're old. Like, that's old school now.

COLIN HILDING: This next one here, resist the urge to answer dog or horse milk. But if I could eat one food for the rest of my life, it would be.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Tacos.

COLIN HILDING: Yes.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Tacos. Hands down.

COLIN HILDING: Soft or hard shell, though?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Soft. Yeah, soft.

COLIN HILDING: See, I answer soft shell, and people here look at me like I'm an alien. They're like, soft shell. That's not even a real taco. I'm like, no, that's the best kind.

MYLES SILVERMAN: No way. You can season, you can season the soft shell. Yeah. Great place. And like, right where I'm from in Brunswick, like, taco the town. Huge shout out to them.

BEN WATERWORTH: I was going to ask, what's the taco scene like in Austria? How are the tacos over there?

MYLES SILVERMAN: We have to make them. We literally get the ground beef and just make our own tacos here.

BEN WATERWORTH: Come on, Austria. Pick your game up. Get your taco game going up. You sort of answered this one before. Your favourite place to compete is?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Favourite place, yeah. China was really cool. You know, anything like exotic, I think, would be like the coolest place for me. So Kazakhstan, Russia. I was in like Siberia, and that was like wicked, wicked cool.

BEN WATERWORTH: What's the scene like in Canada? Is there a place in Canada you like competing?

MYLES SILVERMAN: I've been to... Well, I went to Vancouver for the Games, and, you know, that was... That's probably like my favourite place in North America. It's just like so much going on over there. But Le Roulet in Quebec, we usually have competitions over there, and like that's a cool little spot. I'm trying to pick up French, so I've been on Duolingo, like doing all that. But yeah, I think Canada's got some cool spots for sure, and like I've been great friends with all the Canadians for a long time, so whenever I go over, it's like a huge party.

BEN WATERWORTH: Interesting part, like both there, Quebec obviously you got to learn the French, and then if you go to Whistler again, you got to learn Australian, because that's where all the Australians go when they come to Canada, they just go to Whistler.

MYLES SILVERMAN: So you're in a great spot, though. Whistler is so sick.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, I actually haven't been to Whistler yet. I'm on Vancouver Island, so it's kind of not quite there, and I can't travel there at the moment, but we were meant to be going there, and then a certain little pandemic happened, so you know, I might have to wait for it.

MYLES SILVERMAN: It's like so hard for the US or like people from the US to get into Canada.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah, and even as the time we're recording this, I think Trudeau has just closed it off to even more. So, hey, you can't come to Canada. And hello to Justin Trudeau. He's a big listener of the show as well.

COLIN HILDING: How about this? One thing I've always wanted to do is?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Probably to go to space. Yes.

COLIN HILDING: I think I found my spirit animal is Myles Silverman. Soft shell tacos and go to space.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Right? I have this one would you rather question. So it's like, would you rather be in a submarine for a week or be in a space shuttle for a week? And so many people are like, I'd rather be in a submarine. And I just don't understand that.

BEN WATERWORTH: What's the appeal?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah. Right?

MYLES SILVERMAN: It's more terrifying.

COLIN HILDING: Yeah.

BEN WATERWORTH: Exactly. You're in space, you float, you do cool things with liquids.

COLIN HILDING: Yeah.

BEN WATERWORTH: There's aliens, you could get abducted. What's going to hit you? A whale, and you're going to drown in two seconds.

COLIN HILDING: Astroid comes, you and Bruce Willis can save the world. There's so many opportunities.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yeah. I didn't see Bruce Willis on a sub. Maybe Sean Connery, but he's dead now. And Harrison Ford still... I'm not Harrison. One thing about Harrison Ford, I don't know where I'm going with this. My favourite thing, what's your favourite thing to do in the summer, Myles, if you ever get to see summer?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Summer? Probably travel. I think when I went to Mammoth for the snowboarding, we went over to Yosemite and it was just so sick. So probably in the summer, travel. I love to like, we live right on the water. So a bunch of like supping. So I go like stand up paddle boarding. A bunch with my family. And that's kind of like it really. I mean, catching up with like friends, but being out in the warm weather too. It's the usual one.

BEN WATERWORTH: Make the most of it when you actually can experience it and not just have this cold wet stuff around you all the time.

COLIN HILDING: Here's an important one. What is your favourite movie?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Favourite movie? Oh, got it. Anchorman. Huge. I literally, I got like, I made like business cards off of like some website. And this was back like before I went to college, and I would just hand them out to people. And on like one side, it was like 60% of the time. This works every time. And like on the other side, it was like, I'm very important. My apartment smells of rich mahogany.

BEN WATERWORTH: And true story, that's how you got into Hobart College, right? That's where you're going with that. That's gold. I love it. That's fantastic. More people need to do that with business cards, you know, just have it out there. The next question we've answered, literally is my favourite place to visit in Canada. Well, let's change that up. You're American. What's your favourite place to visit in the States?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Favourite place to visit in the States? Damn. God. Probably Boston. I love Boston. It's a great city. I have like a huge like, I guess I despise New York City. I just can't stand it. If it's Boston or New York City, it's like Boston all the way. Even though I went to school in New York, it wasn't really the city. I mingled with a bunch of city kids. Or Colorado. Colorado is beautiful.

COLIN HILDING: Going along with the movies, my favourite cartoon to watch growing up was?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Oh, God, what was it? Oh, it was like Rocket Power. That was like the best one.

BEN WATERWORTH: This is where we're showing our age. We've not heard of that one.

COLIN HILDING: You're not hearing typing right now.

BEN WATERWORTH: No, Google Rocket Power. Oh, that show.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yep. I'm putting you guys on a show. Rocket Power is amazing. It's like about these things, we're just like extreme athletes who love to surf, snowboard, skateboard.

COLIN HILDING: I mean, I've got a four-year-old, so I'm sure I could put it on for him, you know? No other ulterior motives, just for the kids.

BEN WATERWORTH: It's a Nickelodeon show. I'm down for that. So I say it's here by the creators of Rugrats that's showing my age. So, you know, that's... We'll put it on the list, Colin, coming soon over on The Oz Network. We'll review it. If you had to do karaoke, what would you sing?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Oh, my God. So I studied abroad in Vietnam, and I did karaoke so much. So I think there's a video of me doing, like... Oh, what was it? It was, like, some... I think it was London Bridges. London Bridges by Fergie.

BEN WATERWORTH: Yep.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah. So that would be my go-to. Or Big Green Tractor by Jason Aldean.

BEN WATERWORTH: Okay. I'm liking it. We need to... I want to find this video now of a Fergie sing-along and a tractor.

MYLES SILVERMAN: I got it.

BEN WATERWORTH: Do it. Do it. We will... Next year, when you're at the Olympics, we're like, he's Myles Silverman going, oh, by the way, he's him singing London Bridge by Fergie.

MYLES SILVERMAN: We'll have to go out for karaoke after.

BEN WATERWORTH: Oh, absolutely. I'm down. Colin, I don't know if you're a karaoke man, but I'm definitely a karaoke man. Absolutely.

COLIN HILDING: For sure. Ben and I will do Fergalicious.

BEN WATERWORTH: And then we'll end it up with some Kanye and some Nickelback. To a bit of how you remind me or something like that.

COLIN HILDING: So here's our final question. If I could be an Olympian in any sport other than my own, it would be?

MYLES SILVERMAN: I really think... Can I do summer?

COLIN HILDING: Any sport.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Besides curling, because that curling is crazy. Summer, I would definitely probably... I think diving is so cool. If I could be a diver, or a tennis player, I'd be nuts.

COLIN HILDING: We just see Myles Silverlin and Milo Siranić on the same court. Yeah.

BEN WATERWORTH: I think the guy from Novak route, right? You got all that power. He's getting a lot of shit in Australia right now for his demands. He's not a very popular tennis player right now in my homeland, but screw Australia. Novak Djokovic is great. Leave him alone. Yeah. Well, we will see how that goes. If the snowboarding doesn't work out, and you end up on the tennis court or diving, we can tune in and put London Bridge playing down as you're doing, or make tennis not a quiet place. You're like, no, crank up the Fergie. I need some music as I'm serving along those lines. Miles, it's been an absolute pleasure getting you on the show today to learn a little bit more about yourself and learn about your career and everything. Before we let you go though, give yourself a plug. Can people follow you on Instagram and Twitter? Where can they find you online if they want to track your career a little bit closely?

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, for sure. Find me on Instagram. It's Myles Silverman. It's with a Y for Myles. And LinkedIn. Those are kind of like the main things that I've been on. I've been trying to get on TikTok. I don't have the dance moves, so I'm not doing those.

BEN WATERWORTH: Karaoke moves though, come on.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Yeah, exactly. I could just upload that. That's where you can find me.

BEN WATERWORTH: Good. All right. Well, we'll keep an eye on things and we'll get you back on the show once you've got that gold medal around your neck. And as I said, if it's one of these fake ones behind me, hey, you know, it will work somehow.

MYLES SILVERMAN: Somehow. Love it.

BEN WATERWORTH: And there we go, Myles Silverman, Team USA, Olympic hopeful in snowboarding. Great chat there, learnt a lot, and we're obviously gonna wish Myles the best of luck moving forward, and we're sure that he will make the Olympics and break the Off The Podium curse, and win a damn medal, because again, I think we're zero from everything for medals. Before we go, we haven't really been doing these intros and outros recently, but we've got stuff to talk about now, so why aren't we gonna do this? I did get a little birdie tweet me somehow in my mind. Between the start and end of this, it's amazing what you can do with people communicating to you when you're not live. We have had a non-Canadian slash Australian on this show. Devin Harris, of course, from the Jamaican Bobsled team. So, sorry to Devin. I'm sure you're still a long-term listener of the show. Probably lost you at the beginning of the show after we apparently forgot who you were, but yes, that's it. And we've always sort of had the goal of not just being completely focused on Australian and Canadian. I'm losing the plot today. Harrison Ford, American, I can't even think properly. Australian and Canadian athletes on the show. So obviously we're gonna cross that barrier, and we will bring you a Kazakhstanian Olympian at one point to go on the page there of what Myles was talking about in that interview. But you've been listening, waiting, anticipating to see what the big news is that we announced at the beginning of this episode, what lists we've made. Well, we have been named as one of the top 30 Olympic podcasts you must follow in 2021. Now, it's not just 30 Olympic podcasts to follow, it's you must follow. This is according to FeedSpot, and yes, we came in at number four, apparently. So we are the fourth most in-demand Olympics podcast that you should listen to out there in the world. So it's a big honour to make a list, and considering that our episodes maybe aren't as frequent as some of these other ones out there, shout out to the three that beat us. If you're gonna get beaten by anyone, you wanna get beaten by the official Olympic channel podcast, which I'm guessing is the official Olympics podcast. So arguably that's gonna be number one. But also a shout out goes to Around The Rings, an American-based Olympics podcast there. Shout out to our friends over there. And also a shout out to Keep The Flame Alive, the podcast for Olympics fans. They're also based out of the United States. So gotta say, we are Australia slash Canada's number one Olympic podcast, as ranked by feedspot.com. So thank you to that. And gotta say, bit of a prideful moment that our podcast apparently is higher ranked than the official Australian Olympics team podcast. Olympics Unleashed, Tokyo Australian Olympic team, released by the Australian Olympics Committee, only came in at number 22. So there you go. As somebody who's never gonna make the Olympics myself, I can at least beat the Australian Olympic Committee. So if only you had given us the nod for Hobart 2020, perhaps she would have been higher. Obviously, they like the Hobart Olympic bid. That's why we're number four. We do have some great new episodes coming your way, hopefully very soon. We've got some other athletes lined up. And obviously in the lead up to Tokyo, we haven't really come on and done sort of a news episode and discussed it. Jarrib will be back, we'll get Colin back. We'll talk about these coming soon, things happening with the Olympics. Obviously, with Myles on the show, we're basically a year away now to Beijing. So there's a lot happening in the world of the Olympics. So stay tuned for that. We've got Olympic bids happening out there for 2032. Brisbane's a big front runner for that one. So plenty of stuff to talk about. And always things going on in the Olympics news cycle. So Off The Podium will be a little bit more frequent in 2021, not just cause there's hopefully an Olympics happening this year. So stay tuned to that. Like us on Facebook, follow us on Twitter. We're not on Instagram, but maybe we will have to get on there one day. I think we are on YouTube, but we never use it. So hey, one day as well, we'll get our fingers out of our butts and prepare ourselves. I have no idea what that sentence means, but anyway, I'm gonna move along right now. Thanks, Miles, for joining us. Thanks for Feedspot, putting us. Maybe we're gonna move down to like number seven after what I just said there. This has been Off The Podium. We'll speak to you next time. Good night.