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A show about loving freaks and hating algorithms.
[Music]
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We're being adults right now. We could be
enjoying Thanksgiving, but we're doing a
little podcast just for the internet.
And I guess capitalism wants that. I
guess, I don't know. It's alright. It's
okay sometimes. I don't know.
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I listened to Super Despair World before
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It used to be pretty good. Now it's
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You remember the days when there was one
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video and now it's like...
I remember that because that was me. I
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That's when it was good. I was there.
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Yeah, it's actually pretty dope. It's
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If you pay a sinister six dollars, I
guess you can listen to some bonus
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They used to be cooler. Now
they sold out and whatever.
It's not really the same
after the first 200 subscribers.
There's a lot of fake fans out there.
A lot of fake fans.
There's also... I guess there's Project
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You get some stickers. You get two
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I guess. But what are you going to put
that on your Trapper Keeper?
I have one on my iMac. I was at
Starbucks. Someone
turned their head towards me.
I put that on all my CDs. I listen to CDs
now because vinyls aren't cool anymore.
We're doing CDs now.
Yeah, CDs. I don't remember
that. That was a funny joke.
You probably wouldn't get it.
It's sold out now.
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There's people in there now. It used to
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I'm trying to go analog.
We have a Telegram. I'm not
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We have an actual Telegram service.
I know this guy met him at a Mumford and
Son show. He trains messenger pigeons.
I think that's going to be the
cool thing until they ruin it.
I think I'm getting a messenger pigeon.
Nobody really knows Morse code anymore.
They don't know how to scribe things with
a quill feather and ink.
You probably have to type it
on your iPhone or whatever.
The whole podcast thing is cool.
I was thinking I was getting
into Russian number stations.
Maybe we should move in that direction.
That would actually be cool.
I would be into a Russian number system.
We just need a really
big broadcast antenna.
I think our friend Weasel
could help us out there.
We could tune the 5G.
We're five minutes into this episode.
To everybody who hasn't killed themselves
yet, we're talking about hipsters today.
There's a lot of real
cool people out there.
The hipster moniker has
died in a lot of senses.
The overall vibes of that have still
permeated culture in a
lot of different ways.
I was just about to ask.
I feel like the term hipster is not
really in common use anymore.
I don't know if that's just me or if some
people still use it.
I did a little bit of preliminary
research for the show.
I looked at Wikipedia for five minutes
before we got on to
record as is tradition.
I know the term hipster was a little
subculture back in the 1940s.
It had a bit of a resurgence around the
late 90s, 2000s, 2010s.
I know I graduated
high school back in 2011.
Throughout most of my middle and high
school career, if you can call it that,
hipster was the
pejorative of people who were like,
"Oh, I guess they're cool, alternative,
but not too edgy or whatever."
They weren't quite the goth or the scene
or the emo kids or whatever.
It's more like a trendy, well-dressed,
gentrifying white person.
No, you're dead on with that.
We talked about
counterculture in the last episode.
It was counterculture light where you're
not going to go so far
as to be a goth or punk.
You're not going to wear all black and
makeup and a bunch of shit.
You're not really going to stand for
anything or have any
actual beliefs either.
It's just kind of about looking cool.
It's weird because the hipster milieu of
the aughts, forgive me for using 2000 to
2015 or something like that.
That was probably the
heyday of the hipster thing.
Definitely the early 2000s.
I know things are dire because I looked
at the Wikipedia page for hipster and
then in brackets,
contemporary subculture.
The little example image they have on
there, which I'll send to you, is this
white guy in a hoodie.
He has the finger over his lip with a
little mustache tattoo on the finger.
It's like, wow, that's really ironic.
Yeah, I mean, the hipster aesthetic was
definitely centered around
music culture, first and foremost.
What are some classic hipster bands?
It's shit like Modest Mouse and Neutral
Milk Hotel and The Flaming Lips.
I will say I do like Some Flaming Lips.
I just want to preface this.
The Flaming Lips fucking rule.
It's not their fault that they had a
following of annoying hipster douchebags.
There's also some stuff like Arcade Fire
and stuff like that.
Yeah, I brought up Mumford and Sons.
My little example.
That's the go-to in my
head first for some reason.
Not all this music is
bad, but some of it is bad.
If I will be honest, I don't need to name
drop my playlist, My
Little Taste in Music.
This isn't a fully music-filled episode
or whatever, but I will say I am a little
bit of a sucker for a lot of
the hipster adjacent stuff.
I like a lot of light singer songwriters.
Like, oh, just a guy doing some little
poetry to a guitar or whatever.
I don't know.
I like a lot of that stuff, but at the
same time, it is a subculture that's very
related to the music in a lot of ways,
but it also kind of just grew and kind of
morphed a little beyond that.
The difference is here.
First, I want to say that, number one, I
saw the Flaming Lips in
concert when I was in college,
and they fucking rock.
And I heard they're still doing the shit
that they used to do.
I saw them at Cornell
University, and it was nuts.
I like the music, but even if you don't,
it was a fucking banger concert.
They had Wayne, the frontman, he's out
crowd surfing in a big-ass hamster ball.
They gave out laser pointers to a bunch
of people in the crowd,
and then they had
mirrors and a giant disco ball,
and you could shine them on these things,
and they're bouncing
around with all the smoke.
The guy had fucking monster hands that
shot giant green lasers out.
It was crazy. It was
crazy. It was awesome.
That's what a show should be.
I'm a big fan of the one song they did.
This was, I guess, 12 years ago, because
the song was 2012, which they did with
Keisha, Keisha, whatever.
It was absolutely insane, kind of like
noisy fucking breakdown music.
I was a big fan of that.
I think I remember listening
to it around New Year's on 2012,
and I was like, "Yeah, the world is
pretty fucked up and crazy.
This song goes hard."
And then the next 12 years happened.
I like some stuff like iron
and wine and stuff like that.
If I can sound like a
hipster, I love iron and wine,
but I also just don't fuck with anything
he released after 2011.
I feel like all his newer stuff is a
little too soft and quiet for me.
I think he used to go a lot
harder than he does nowadays.
I haven't listened to too much of the new
stuff, so I can't really opine on that.
You can check it out. I
just think it's not as good.
No, no.
It's no shepherd's dog, as
the kids would say, regardless.
Indeed.
But the point here is it's
not about the music necessarily.
They partially tied their
identity around the music,
but a big part of it too.
The big part of the
hipster aesthetic was...
You mentioned before, kind of like
bougie, obnoxious, rich kids, in a sense,
but they adopted this aesthetic of...
When you think of the stereotypical
hipster person in the early 2000s,
it was flannel shirt, beard, slash
mustache, a lot of times glasses.
Either a brimmed hat
or the classic man bun.
Remember the man bun?
The man bun was big, also trucker hats.
They would be really big
into drinking PBR at dive bars.
The horn trim glasses as well.
That's a classic.
All the dudes fetishized
that. All the girls adopted that.
It was definitely some...
I think the origin of
this, and I could be wrong,
because I didn't come up
in this particular region,
but I think it definitely came from
Brooklyn trust fund kids, socialites,
who were kind of trying to buck their
upbringing a little bit,
but not too much,
because they don't want to...
I'm not trying to get too on
the other side of the tracks,
because then I have to deal with lesser
thans, or God forbid, minorities,
or something like that.
I'm going to go to dive bars and drink
PBR in my safe space,
so that I can kind of larp
about being a working class guy.
I think that's...
A little bit, yeah.
I don't know as much about what things
are like over on the East Coast.
I could absolutely
see the Brooklyn thing,
just from what I know of the area and
some of the wealthy...
Let's call them socialites to be generous
on the internet over the years.
I feel like a lot of the fashion I've
seen out here out West,
it's kind of stuff that seems very
archetypical of the
Pacific Northwest for me.
When I see a flannel jacket, it's like,
"Okay, this guy is either an actual
conservative lumberjack trucker guy,
or he's a sensitivity reader for tabletop
RPGs," or something like that.
Yeah, and that's the thing.
It was hard to tell, because they would
adopt working classes.
They would wear car heart and
flannels and shit like that.
It's the kind of look that's like,
"I spend a lot of money to look like I
shop at a thrift store."
You know what I mean? That sort of deal.
There were a lot of
giveaways too, where it's like,
"Okay, I have car
heart pants and a flannel,
but the flannel is from Urban Outfitters.
Also, I have a beard,
but I got a $60 shave and beard oil from
a boutique hair place."
A boutique hair place
that has one of those logos
that's just like a silhouette of a guy's
glasses and his beard.
Yeah, with some scissors.
Yeah, and it's right
next door to a microbrewery
that used to be a women's shelter or
something like that.
Yeah, exactly.
It's a converted loft
apartment that got...
No, it used to be a women's shelter,
but the landlord raised the rent,
and it just turned into some trust fund
kids investment project,
because they told their dad they wanted
to be an entrepreneur.
Yeah, I feel a little awful about this,
because I remember
there was a bonus episode
where I was talking about
how when I lived in Vancouver,
I went a couple times to
what was known as a nerd bar.
I forget what it was actually called.
It actually had some dorky
name, like the Storm King's Tavern
or brewery or something like that.
It was all right.
It was one of those pay $20 for a burger
and a beer kind of places
where it's like, "Okay,
it's not going to be worth it."
Oh, they have a cute little jello cups,
but the jellos are shaped like D20s or
something like that.
I feel like, "I don't know."
I like a lot of these things,
but at the same time, it
feels very cheap and monetized
and somebody is exploiting something that
people genuinely like
for a quick return on their investment.
Yeah, and that's my thing
about theme bars in general.
It does seem really
cheap and really cynical
in the sense of just
like, "Hey, remember gaming?"
Does anyone remember this late gem
and its fucking like link
to the past or something?
Yeah, and I've been to
some bars like that before
and they're playing like footage of like
somebody like long playing Contra
or like Ninja Turtles
on NES or something.
I feel a little bit old because I
remember there was a clip going around
on YouTube or maybe it was
like a Twitter short or something
like earlier this year of
like somebody was in a bar
and they were playing
like a JERMA stream on the TV
and one that's really funny because
apparently JERMA found out
and like shouted them out
or something like on stream,
but also like, "This feels like they're
trying to squeeze some
dollars out of Zoomers."
Yeah, for sure.
And that's it.
I'm thinking about
like one bar in particular
that I met some friends in Toronto
and yeah, we went to like a bar there
and they had like VHS tapes
and like Nintendos and shit
and it was just like, and like the
clientele were clearly
just like these types of like,
"Hey, I remember game, I remember blowing
out an NES cartridge
and putting in the VHS
tape of insert movie here.
Do you remember that?
Kids, these days they
won't know about that.
This is our cute little subculture."
I remember sleeping in
a big bed with my wife.
[laughter]
Exactly, and then on
top of that it's like,
you're not, like this is not some like
elite thing that you belong to
that like you earned or whatever.
It's like, no, you were born in 1989.
So you grew up with a Super
Nintendo and with a VHS player.
You didn't like infiltrate some
subculture and you know
more than other people.
You just like, this was like what people
did then and you also did it.
But like there's like a
weird, there's like a weird like,
I don't want to say, I was
going to say nationalism.
Obviously that's not right, but like this
weird like tribalism I guess
where it's just like, it kind of like
extends to those like
annoying fucking like,
I mean these probably don't exist anymore
because it's all slop now
like even more than it was before.
But like those like Facebook groups or
whatever that's like
only 90s kids will understand and it's
like a kid playing Sega Genesis
and it's like, yeah, like cool.
Yeah, it'll be something
like, hey guys remember this?
For gotten gem and it's like kicking an
empty can down the road.
Yeah, we used to like there's there's
those I mean it's like,
it's not a boomer meme obviously because
it's like made by like Gen X
and like millennial
people, but it's like,
we used to drink out of the hose and kick
rocks down the street and ride our bikes
and watch MTV and whatever like if you
agree and like all
the comms are like true.
Kids these days don't know about going
outside and it's like,
well, that's not
really true and also like,
the thing about like kids don't go
outside these days is funny because
the reason kids don't go outside these
days is because like number one,
you gave them an iPad and unlimited like
iPad time and number two,
you watched so many like Dateline NBC
episodes that you think like if a kid
like walks down the street, they're going
to get like abducted and
like molested by the nonstop.
The nonstop cycle of like windowless vans
that just abduct kids.
Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna be
lifted off the street by
one of Fauci's goons in a van
and subjected to like high high energy 5G
waves that make them gay
or something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah that and apparently that
people are just
rubbing fentanyl on things.
There's just like a there's just a cabal
of people that just like run around
and they're just put they're putting
fentanyl on doorknobs.
They're leaving $20 bills on the street,
rubbing fentanyl into them.
They're just like just they
just got a fentanyl spray.
I mean back when I was a kid, we called
we called that doing the whole rubby
Fenty down the neighborhood.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Does anybody
remember the rubby Fenty?
It was like the it was like the ding dong
ditch like where you were where we used
to ring somebody's doorbell and run away.
And then when they answer the door and
nobody's there, we hide in a bush.
They looked out. I used to actually put
nobody was actually do the ding dong
ditch thing like quite a little bit until
one day I was in like like sixth grade.
I want to say something like that. And
there was a there was a girl that I had a
big crush on and I was like, it'd be
really funny if I if I
did this to her house.
And and I did and I got caught. And
that's the day that I found
out that her dad was like a cop.
And he like gave me the most like vicious
like scolding on the spot.
And like I don't think I did it again
after that. Yeah.
Doorbells are a sacred right.
Yeah. On the bright side, that is a great
way to get over your
attraction to somebody.
Finding out their relative is a bit of a
psycho. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You're better off.
Yeah. Yeah. I kind of wanted to like I
think we've kind of laid down a little
bit of a groundwork.
But I will say I did in my in my brief
preliminary research for the show.
I found a few little interesting tidbits.
The first is that unlike a lot of other
subcultures, it does seem like hipster is
largely a label put on these people by
like people outside the group.
There isn't really as much of like a like
a single a singular like unified term
that they they call themselves.
Like I see a little bit out of like the
Brooklyn area. Some people say like
bohemians or something, which feels like
very pretentious to me.
Oh, you know, a lot of stuff like that. I
was also I found out there are some
there's some similar subcultures and a
lot of other places.
The Wikipedia page linked me to I'm sure
I'm going to pronounce this
wrong because it's Russian.
But the still Yagi, which was like a a
stylish like hipster movement in Russia
from like this, the 40s to the 60s.
And I bring this up because maybe we'll
put this on the video or something. The
the like image on Wikipedia for it
absolutely like knocked me off my feet.
I feel like I just got mocked by this by
this Russian fellow
over here. Check that out.
I mean, yeah, that's that that has a
hipster hipster. This is like this is
basically like a disco Elysium character
that I'm looking at right here.
Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, this
is like a this is like a flannel with
like a similarly patterned shirt with
like a short pink tie.
He's like a very stern looking like
younger Russian guy with like kind of a I
don't know what you call that that
hairstyle, like a very like
just up on the top there with.
Yeah, I mean, it would be a pompadour if
it stuck out more a little bit.
It's like a narrow pompadour sort of look
with some with some dark green, dark
green pants and and violet shoes.
I don't know. I'm kind of into this look.
I feel absolutely mocked by this. Yeah,
it's pretty. It's pretty
cool. I'm not going to lie.
I mean, there was there was an adjacent
movement, which I was I think I was kind
of aware of this for a long time, but I
did not know about this term until just
just a few minutes ago.
Dave, have you ever heard of a nipster?
No, no. If you had to guess what is a
nipster? I'm it sounds kind
of dirty to say it out loud.
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I don't.
What is it? Okay. So apparently a nipster
is like a neo Nazi hipster.
It's like if I had to if I had to put a
guess on it, I think a good example of
this. This is this is kind of like the
the look cultivated by
people like like Richard Spencer.
Right. Sort of the like, no, we're not
like the the the boorish brutish brown
shirts. We're like the the suave clean
cut like Aryan uber men's guys who are
just like, oh, we just
work white collar jobs.
And we were very we're it's like the
almost like a like a white giga Chad sort
of guy, but like also like a dipshit Nazi
or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I mean, well, you saw that with
the with the punk movement, too, is there
people who took it in a in a direction
that nobody really intended it to go in,
which is like in and to the
credit of the larger punk scene.
They were generally like very not down to
that. I mean, yes, the whole Nazi punks
fuck off sort of thing.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, in like I knew a bunch of like punk
people like growing up and like most of
them had like an like an anti swastika
spat patch on their on
their jacket or whatever.
I've seen a lot of other people do the I
think this is a bit more of a modern
thing. But the the three arrows thing,
which I guess comes from World War Two.
But it's like against fashies and and
like the authoritarian commies. And I
think the other one was like the
monarchist or whatever, which not really
applicable in the modern times.
But yeah, yeah, yeah. Important. But it's
important thing on this on this Wikipedia
page says other uses of the term in 2011,
three students founded the German online
magazine Nipster using the neologism to
depict hipsters in the town of Nuremberg,
not neo-Nazi hipsters.
The online magazine has since folded. Oh,
well, that's unfortunate. I mean,
especially in Germany, right? Yeah, yeah.
They they didn't do the research. Nine,
nine is not about about
that. No, no, it's about it.
Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw also
just on that same page, the the C also
table of links. Apparently, there are
some other like questionable fashion
hipster trends, which are includes but
are not limited to Nazi chic communist
chic and jihad cool.
Okay. All right. Yeah, I did not look
extensively into all of these, but I will
say, and I don't know, maybe this will
maybe this will get me in a little bit of
trouble. I was looking at the Nazi chic
page. And there's like a like a cute
Asian girl doing like a Nazi cosplay in
2011. And this is in
Shanghai, apparently.
And I feel a little bad because like
she's kind of cute, not gonna lie, but
I'm not I'm like shaking my head
vigorously. So people know I don't
approve of this. I mean, like, like the
the hat and the jacket are nice, but like
the the fucking swastika pad. Yeah. Or
like the the minority.
So she had minority beaten to a bloody
pulp at her feet. That's not cool either.
I don't. That's yeah, that's not. No,
that's not great. But it's like, it's
like shitty like the the the the the
little stem on the swastika is like not.
It's like not even like even with the
other ones. It's kind of like, it does
look a little bit like she drew that with
like a permanent marker
or something. Yeah, yeah.
And then there's a safety pin holding
that. Like you can't even stitch it. It
just seems kind of like I don't know.
That seems that seems like not really not
really well done. It seems like the the
the Nazi aspect is like an afterthought.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know. Very,
very questionable. I was also looking at
the page for a communist chic. And of
course, they included the classic Che
Guevara t shirt, which like, man, I feel
like you can't even wear that ironically
anymore. That's just like, you're just
kind of like a dipshit if
you go out in public with this.
Yeah, yeah, it's like there's there are
too many connotations with that now where
it's just like, I mean, it's a it's a
cool story and everything. But it's like,
yeah, the people that adopt that kind of
aesthetic generally are just like the
most like annoying and rudderless people
on the planet. Or it's just like, that's,
that's what you
that's what you want to do.
Like, okay.
Yeah, fun fact for the audience. We are
recording this on the evening of American
Thanksgiving. And a friend of mine shared
a tweet with me earlier today that just
goes wearing a shirt that says I support
Hamas to family Thanksgiving, but telling
anybody who brings it up that I don't
want to talk about politics.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, like that,
that is that is an interesting thing too,
because like, there's there's always like
the the the like the classic, I don't
know, like, I don't want to say
stereotype. But like, I mean, I guess it
is of just like, oh, going to
Thanksgiving and my racist uncle is gonna
like, start acting up.
And it's just like, well, are you like,
are you engaging with that? Are you just
like, okay, cool, bye. And walk away
trying out some sneaky debate tactics I
learned from watching my my big brother
on the internet and Vosh
on YouTube to own the chat.
Well, I mean, it's it's it's it's the
same thing too, with like, people wear
like, a full mega outfit. And then when
somebody is like, not nice to them,
they're just like, I'm so fucking
oppressed. I can't even like go to the
post office without being harassed.
And it's just like, what the fuck are you
talking about, dude? Like, why are you
wearing all this shit? Like, nobody
actually cares that much. And but like,
somebody might, and then they might get
indignant with you. Because like, that's
annoying in and of itself, like, just
just being the way you are is annoying.
It was just only about it was only about
like three weeks ago, I was doing some
grocery shopping at the at the Walmart
near me. And as I was getting out of the
car, just like to enter the store or
whatever, I see this other person parked
like a few cars down in the parking lot.
And they had the classic like, oh, this
is like a mentally ill person where they
had like a dozen bumper stickers, they're
like, find out the truth.
The Vax Trudeau is a secret Cuban, blah,
blah, blah, and all these other different
like, little like, pet causes or whatever
that like, I didn't, I don't even know
what they're talking about. There were
conspiracies on there that I like, what
are you talking about? You sound insane.
That's what that sort of thing. And it's
like, without question. Okay, this person
is very annoying. And I think they're
probably just like seeking attention in
some way. But like, it didn't ruin my day
or something. I'm just like, that's sad.
This person probably is
not well connected to me.
With their family or something. But well,
for sure. And that kind of goes with like
the thing we talked about in the last
episode is like woke sandwich shop has
woke toppings in their communist or
whatever. And it's just like, no, what
was it? It was like, millennials to own
the anti British kids.
Because, because, because like, because
like these people think that like,
everything anyone does just is like this
like fucking thing where they just have
to like, own the people that they don't
like. Everything has to be either based
or woke. It's one or the
other. There's no in between.
Yeah. So they see everything anyone does
through this lens. And they're just like,
oh, a person like doesn't have a bunch of
like, skits, so bumper stickers on their
car. They might the sheeple sheeple. They
just they don't they don't know about
floor. I fucking idiot. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just like, no, dude, like, no,
like these, they're just living like a
regular person, like, shut the fuck up.
But you have way too much time on your
hands, apparently you need to like,
there's definitely a kind of like, and I
guess this is to bring things back to
hipsters a little bit. But I think it
applies to like the the kind of kind of
like mentally ill, like bumper sticker
people that we're talking about as well.
Where it's like, I think I think this is
like a fundamentally human thing, where
like you can get this like sense of pride
in feeling like you have you have
achieved you have acquired some some
hidden secret knowledge that other people
don't have. And it makes you like, like
better than other people.
And I think, you know, there's nothing
wrong with liking a lot of the things
that are popular amongst hipsters. We
just like spent a few minutes talking
about like how the the flaming lips and
iron and wine or some some great music
acts over here. It's like, okay, it's fine to like these things.
But I think a big element of like hipster
culture, which I guess like people
fundamentally take issue with is this
feeling of like, this kind of like an
elitist quality to it like, oh, you think
you're better than other people. And
like, you can just like condescend to
everybody else based on something as
like, stupid as like, oh, I consume
better media than all these like fucking Philistines or whatever.
Right, right. Exactly. And that's the
thing is like, a lot of it comes down to
consumerism as well. And when you when
you think about like the the 2000s
hipster aesthetic, a lot of it was was
sent around like, yeah, having a MacBook
going to like a coffee
shop with like $11 Americanos.
Just just like buying albums from these
are not not the like lame corny bullshit
that all the ragos listen to not and not
that pop crap. I listened to to indie
rock and indie pop only.
And I listened to them before they were
cool, as well. And and, and I yeah, you
you shop at like urban outfitters and
whatever, whatever else. Yeah, or maybe,
maybe even a bit less obviously like it's
not just about like, oh, showing off the
things that you can afford and the stuff that you consume.
It's also about the the little privileges
you have that other people don't in a lot
of in a lot of ways, right? Like you
think about the classic image of like,
oh, somebody who's like writing a novel
on their MacBook in like a like a cafe
and they're there for like six hours a day or something.
It's like, you're not employed, you don't
have anywhere fucking else to be you can
you can afford to be here because like,
you're like either like a trust a far end
kid with like a big, a big fucking stack
of money that you get for free every
month for doing nothing or like going to
like to to college classes a week or
something like that.
Or like, I don't know that just a whole lot of bullshit like that.
And exactly in that that is part of the
aesthetic of the hipsters they all live
in places like San Francisco or New York
City or something like that.
I moved to LA to record my YouTube videos
about TikTok trends. I'm like, shut the
fuck up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Exactly. And and and they work part time as a barista because but but I think that's a really good thing.
I'm not gonna work at a game as a
barista, because but but like at a nice
coffee shop because like they like I only
I only pull the best shots. I'm not gonna
work at Dunkin Donuts or fucking or
Starbucks. No, it's definitely because
I'm not afraid of
minorities or something like that.
Exactly. Exactly. And they and and then
they like and then most of their time is
spent just like on their $3,000 laptop
that that dad bought them to to Yeah,
yeah, write the next great American novel
or record their their next like
derivative like modest mouse rip off
album or something like that.
Yeah, I think there's a there's a lot of
ways we could break down like this idea
of like, why why do people hate hipsters
in general? I think there's a lot of
reasons. But I know we've gone over a
couple of them like they're very
privileged in a lot of ways is the whole
like sense of elitism as well.
I wanted to bring this up because it kind
of ties into the whole like writing a
novel on your laptop thing. I think
there's also in hipster culture, this
kind of like, affectation that like,
you're a creative person, you're somebody
who has ideas and you make things and you
bring them out into the world.
But like, I look at a lot of the people
I've known, like in my life, who I would
consider like, kind of somewhere on the
hipster spectrum. And I find like, no,
these people don't actually make a whole
lot of stuff. A lot of it is just kind of
like posturing as like, oh, I'm just part
of this, this in group.
Oh, I just consume the right media. Oh, I
just wear the cool things. Oh, I was like
at this show or whatever. But it's like,
I don't know, there's something like
fundamentally different between people we
would consider hipsters and like, let's
say, a lot of the musicians or whatever
that they enjoy listening to, because
like, they're actually going out there
and like fucking making something right.
And I feel like these people don't, but
they want to be seen as people who do.
Yeah, yeah. And there was a lot of like
tangential shit that came out of like the
hip, like the best example of this is
Pitchfork, which Pitchfork has kind of
gone the way of like Rolling Stone in the
sense that now it's kind of just this
like industry dick riding, just like
generic fucking rag. But like that used
to be, in a lot of
ways it probably still is.
Kind of like the authority on like what
hipsters should like, because like it
came up just doing the like indie scene
shit. And yeah, and also like, to your
point before, like the aesthetic of the
hipster also comes out of like, this
like, Janax and like, I think, the
older millennial kind of like cultural
thing where it was really, it was really
based on this like, this idyllic ideal of
just like, I'm not gonna get a job, like
my parents and work in an office.
I'm not, they wanted me to be a lawyer,
but I'm gonna be a poet, and I'm gonna
write a novel. And it's just like, cool,
whatever. But like, yeah, like you're,
you're doing this because you get your
rent paid for in
Brooklyn by your parents.
Well, not only that, but it's also like,
there's not really any like fundamental
like, like principled opposition to like,
I don't want to work in like a like a
corporate setting or whatever. Like, oh,
I think if I get a job, it's like a
marketer or something that's like bad for
my soul or whatever. I think a lot of it
comes down to this feeling of like a,
like a personal guilt, right? I think a
lot of these people know deep down like,
oh, yeah, I am very like, like, well off
and privileged. But like, if I get a job
that reflects that, you know, then kind of like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna get a job.
People are gonna are gonna see me for
what I am and I don't want to be that
thing. So they kind of like, they kind of
larp at like, at like poverty or whatever
in a way to like, assuage that that guilt
they feel but it's like, I don't know,
have you have you ever seen those those
articles, I think it was maybe maybe some
news articles are like a YouTube series
or something like that was like,
millionaire lives as a homeless person
for one week, here's what he found out.
And I'm like, it no, that doesn't fucking count. But I think that's what I'm gonna do.
It's fucking count, buddy, you have like
a fucking golden parachute to get out of
this the moment it
gets difficult for you.
Right, right. Exactly. And I've known
people like this to that kind of word,
like, oh, I, I barely have a penny to my
name, like, I, I, I can't afford shit
until I get my next paycheck. And it's
like, your parents bought
your house outright for you.
And if you were ever like, food insecure,
or, or anything like that, they would
immediately wire you like $1,000 and it
wouldn't even hurt a thing so like, into
your point, which is 100% correct, like,
you larping as like a homeless person
because you like put your you left your
debit card at home is not you, you don't
know their struggle because
you know that at the end of the day, if
shit gets crazy, you're just gonna go
back to your, your camping, your camping,
you're not you're not stranded in the
forest. If like, if it gets too rainy,
you just go hop in your
fucking car, and you drive home.
And yeah, if things don't work out in LA,
you can just you can just retire off your
14k retirement fund back in the sticks
with your cousin or whatever.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, that's a
that's a perfect,
completely random example.
Yeah, just just just
just toss in just toss in.
Yeah, yeah, like, there are like 12
people in our audience who will get that
but you know, it's fine, that's fine. We
got to we got to
sprinkle something in there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. If
you know you know, like you might not be
old and you might not only
90s kids will get this one.
Yeah, no, I remember those. Those are the
things I saw a few years ago where
somebody I think goes on social media,
whatever. They took like a random photo
of like a homeless guy
in Japan on the street.
And they were like, man, this guy is so
fucking stylish look at his like cool ass
jacket or whatever. And I'm like, he's
dressed like that because it's cold
outside. He's fucking homeless. Are you
fucking insane? What are you doing?
I don't know, like, like, yeah, idolizing
this random, unfortunate guy on the
street. It's the it's the same as like,
there, there, there was that one thing
you may have seen where like, some person
like dropped their accidentally dropped
their pair of sunglasses at some like
pretentious art museum and like a
bunch of like a bunch of douchebags were
like huddled around it like taking photos
and like discussing it and it's just
like, no, this is an art piece somebody
dropped their sunglasses on the ground
this like you're you're so out of touch
with with fucking reality that you think
this this random normal thing just has
like is a part of your fucking brain
that's like a little bit of a rotted just
like fart sniffing nonsense world that
you find yourselves in. It's in it's,
it's, it's truly bizarre. Yeah, it's
absolutely insane. I had to look this up.
There was a video I saw quite a few years
ago. It's not on YouTube. It's on daily
emotion of all things. Have you ever
heard of the video interior semiotics?
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and
like, rewatch the entire thing. You know,
this is not like a like a react podcast
or whatever. But it's like some like
performance art piece, I guess I'll link
it to you if you just want to like, I
don't know, mute and like skip through
the video or something. But it's like a
like a performance piece where there's a
bunch of like very, let's be real hipster
looking people like seated
around this woman performing.
And she takes like a can of beans and
like stuffs them down her pants and like
rubs it all over herself. And I think
she's like reciting up. Oh, there's
spaghetti. Oh, spaghetti. Oh, that's what
it was. Yeah, it's been a while since I
did not I did not rewatch this before
before the show. I just paused at 622 and
I got the perfect frame of like a guy in
the crowd just like looking away and like
drinking from a bottle of beer at this
whole spectacle going on.
And it's like, yeah, I don't know this
there's a whole like, I maybe we could do
a proper episode on like the the the fine
arts scene and a lot of the the crazy
bullshit that goes on there. I try not to
be like to to reactionary about these
things about like some people look at
like famous art pieces and be like, oh,
that's just a
painting with the color red.
What's the big fucking deal? And it's
like, okay, you're just like, you're
ignorant. You're you don't get it. Right.
Right. I look at a lot of other things
like this. And I feel like this feels
like this is just like a performative
thing for like hipsters to feel like,
like good and smart about themselves. And
like, I don't know what the hell is going
on here. But I feel like I don't know.
This is just another element of this this
whole subculture. And I think why people
like really latched on to hating it so
badly because it's like,
it feels very insensitive.
It feels very insincere and performative
and like, like hollow and like a very
like privileged, like wealthy sort of way
that's just like off
putting to everybody.
It's it's interesting because it's kind
of like, it's weird because it's like
manipulative in a way, where like, I'm
sure half the people in that crowd were
like, what the fuck is this bullshit, but
they can't say anything about it because
like, they'll be derided.
As as as like, no, nothing Philistines.
But there are some fart sniffers in there
that's so like profound.
But but it's it's it's really weird, too.
And I think there there is like a there
there was a huge aspect of that with the
hipster music scene, which like, I think
like a ton of people who
who kind of just like adopt.
Like adopted this subculture wholesale
because like, I don't know, like their
friends were into it or they just thought
this was like they liked the
aesthetic of it or something.
And it's just like, well, yeah, you have
to listen to all these musicians on on
vinyl and shit, too.
And it's like, I think a lot of people
just like didn't really like this music
because like a lot of it was shit. Like a
lot of a lot of the hipster music was
just like not great.
But but like, it's very like pretend to
like it's very much in the realm of like
the douchebag that brings
out his guitar to the party.
And now you got to hear him play the same
like three songs or
whatever. I don't know.
I was having a conversation with somebody
on a on a discord server recently and
there's a there's a fun little dichotomy
in this idea of like, one, I do think if
you if you are good at playing guitar, I
do think a lot of girls are
going to be very into that.
They're going to think that's like cool
and attractive. But then at the same
time, if you if people perceive you as
like the guy who learned guitar to be
more attractive to women,
that's like exactly uncool.
Exactly. Exactly. And that's and that's
the thing that we can come back to is is
the the sense of
authenticity with all of these things.
Like there are there are a lot of
subcultures that were like that
organically came out of just like people
kind of being into a certain thing or
like having a certain worldview and like
in and and there's a lot
of authenticity to that.
Like it's a real thing. The aesthetic
grew out of that organically. Maybe later
some people kind of like co-op to that
just to like because they're they're
seeking an identity.
So they just kind of like they just crib
the style of that. But without like
really, you know, kind of
being into the scene or whatever.
But yeah, I will say I do think a lot of
like the the visual aesthetic parts of
hipster culture, like
the music they're into.
I do think a lot of this originally came
about because it was just a thing that
like a group of people
were like sincerely into.
Like I think that was popular for like
it's own like real organic reasons or
whatever. But I do feel like over time,
there's been like a really big push to
like monetize this like this like
particular identity.
Yeah. And like make a make a buck off of
it. It's like how I talked about earlier
with the fucking I don't know the Storm
Lords Tavern and Grill or whatever that I
went to or whatever.
It's like, OK, I do sincerely like
playing like dorky little tabletop games
with my friends, but it's like I don't
need to pay twenty dollars for a burger
because there's like a little a little
D20 shaped like toothpick
thingy like wedged into it.
It feels like I know someone's like
trying to make a buck off of me. And I
think maybe to like bring us towards the
end of the show, the last however many
minutes here, I wanted to talk about like
since the hipster thing is
kind of like dead and gone.
I wanted to like maybe maybe pick apart
like how it kind of how it kind of came
to an end. And I think in a lot of ways,
the what we have in our heads is this
idea of like the hipster.
I think it kind of morphed into what's
more like in modern times known as like
the the social justice warrior or like
the what are some other good priorities
like the soy boy or
whatever something like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everything, everything that people have
in their heads now is like a pejorative
or a stereotype for like fashionable
young left leaning person. I think it
kind of started with like the hipster
thing and morphed into that
like around the 2014, 2015 ish.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's that's a
that's a good point too, because like, I
mean, the thing is they with a lot of
with a lot of subcultures to like most of
the people kind of aged out of this and
they graduated college.
They got jobs, they got married and they
had kids and shit. And it's just like,
yeah, well, I can't really form my
identity out of like going to the local
dive bar, ordering a PBR and listening to
neutral milk hotel anymore.
And like, I may do that, but it's like
kind of like, so how can I kind of like,
like, turn this into something else
that's more compatible with just being
like, sort of the the thing
that I was bucking against.
And it's just like, and again, it kind of
comes into like a sense of counterculture
and also identity where it's just like,
yeah, well, I'll just I'll just like go
on social media and like complain about
conservatives or whatever, or, or like
current thing bad, I guess.
Yeah, I think it kind of it kind of goes
back to what I was saying with like,
okay, the whole the whole like identity
and the aesthetic or whatever, kind of
got co opted more by like corporations
and like big moneyed interests over time.
And I think that kind of came to a head
around like 2014 or so when I feel I
think this was the the peak of what we
call like, the pop feminism era of like
BuzzFeed and like online listicles and
like articles about like explaining what
what man spreading is and I guess it's
like a really big problem or something
and like, don't get me wrong, there's
like, I guess, like a very small little
nugget of truth of like, yeah, some guys
are not aware of how much
physical space they occupy,
but it's also like not really a big
fucking deal or whatever. And I don't
know, I think, I think in a lot of ways,
we can blame fucking BuzzFeed and this
like very like moneyed interest and like
superficially having the progressive
opinion on like current
day issues or whatever.
I think it's really like poisoned a lot
of like discourse on the internet and
like subsequently in real life as well.
This whole like, people who are like they
they give off this affectation of being
like hip and progressive and like
fashionable with like
young people or whatever.
But like, there's nothing like really
sincere or like concrete under all of
that. And I think over the years, you
know, much to their success, a lot of
like conservatives and right wing leaning
people have been able to really like
weaponize this like, this like, I think,
well, well founded ire against like the
hipster crowd and kind of turn into like
more of a political thing like, oh, if
you have any left leaning opinions at all, you're basically like, oh, I'm not going to do that.
But like, if you have any left leaning
opinions at all, you're basically like
these fucking hipster losers or whatever.
And I think for a lot of people, it's
hard to like shake off those accusations.
But I think that's a really good point
too, because like, I mean, I think like a
huge part of the hipster aesthetic and
identity is like, and a lot of the huge
appeal of it to a certain kind of person
is that it's very safe.
And it's not really like giving that much
up. It's not like you're not really going
too crazy there. You're listening to
certain kind of like, annoying music
that's like adjacent to what people like
or and you're wearing a certain type of
clothing that for most people, they
wouldn't really look, look twice at but
Oh, you very you dyed your hair blue and
you got like a fucking like Princess
Peach and Goomba tattoo or something like
that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Do you
remember game remember this forgotten
jam? It's like Nintendo. It's Mario 64.
It's like the most the most famous
Nintendo game ever. Hi, I understand that
reference to Zelda, the Ocarina of Time
that literally every person on the planet
display. Yeah, there we go.
On the flip, you're just on the flip side
of this if I found a cute girl with like
a shadow hearts covenant tattoo or
something I would be like all over that
shit. So yeah, yeah, exactly. But I mean,
like, to your other point, I think this
kind of comes down to like, to like a
class warfare thing.
And I'm not saying like punching down but
like punching sideways where it's just
like, because a lot of these people were
like, they did grow up like pretty
privileged. So like the pushback on that
and a lot of people punching at them were
similarly privileged, but they didn't,
they didn't really like
adopt that certain aesthetic.
So they're just like arguing with each
other about nothing and like, in talking
about like the BuzzFeed and listicle
things when when people are complaining
about fucking man spreading and shit and
it's like, like that that's, that's what
we're talking about. Like, this is the
most pressing issue, like in your life.
Holy shit, man. Yeah, okay. Talk about
privilege. Like, there you go.
Yeah, and also I want to I want to be
careful here. I don't want to necessarily
be like, Oh, the anti SJW is we're right
all along. Because I think something that
does get lost in this is I know a lot of
like actual like feminist like academics
or like people writing blogs are like
doing actual like bullshit out in the
real world. We're also opposed to like
the the fucking like BuzzFeed cheap
online bullshit at the time as well. But
that that got very
thoroughly drowned out. So
yeah, yeah, for sure. Because like,
because like the in in I don't know if
this was intentional, but like for them
to do or like even like the Anita
Sarkeesian fucking this game, like
this is like, this is like, it almost
seems like a fucking psi op where it's
just like, this is like, in like, in some
cases, as you said, both of these things
are true. But like, also, it's like, it's
it's a fucking non issue compared to all the other shit that's going on and all of these fears. And I think that's what I want to be like.
The most annoying fucking people online.
Yeah, you know, like, like all these
skeptics in and anti SJW people just like, Look, how fucking insane the online left is they're complaining about this today and it's like, it's just weird. And it's just like there's no way in this thing.
SJW people just like look how fucking
insane the online left is they're
complaining about
this today and it's like
Okay, true, but also
you're fucking gear. You're like
Sexist and a Nazi. So yeah, it's like I
don't know. We're definitely gonna do a
Main episode on the whole like skeptic
sphere of YouTube because that I fell
deep into that particular
brain rot when I was a when I
Nature I had a whole
reddit a lot of people days
Yeah, but uh, I was gonna say like with
regards like somebody
like Anita Sarkeesian, right?
It's like okay in hindsight a lot of her
critiques were like
very like very basic bitch
Like like surface level
like feminism 101 kind of stuff
But then then at the same time I do think
she had a lot of like really bad
deliveries or like execution on a lot of
Those things where it's like she made a
whole series talking about video games
But at multiple points she admits like
okay, I don't really know anything about
video games. I'm not
really like into this culture
I'm just like coming in as an outsider
and it's like, okay in hindsight. I think
you could have done more like
preparatory
Fucking I can't speak preparatory work
Like I don't know maybe put a few months
in like actually getting into some games
and like examine the
culture more and maybe like
Take it a little bit more seriously
Because you'll have a more informed to
take about it afterwards, but I don't
know that's just that's just my thing
I don't know. I think like I think Anita
Sarkeesian like kind of
sucks like a little bit
But I also think like the the blowback
against her was like crazy
Disproportionate so I don't know no it
was and it's because
like this wasn't framed
Correctly like at all.
Yeah, and let's be real
It's because a lot of the people on the
other side are just like incredibly
sensitive. That's what it is
You guys are just sensitive. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, no for sure for
sure. They're they're
sensitive and in like
in in the thing is like
They focus on the wrong thing like that's
not this isn't really the point of it
But yeah, I mean they kind of focus on
the the the symptom and
not the cause of the disease
and like
In in that could that could be like
extended to a lot of shit really
Because because that that makes for like
better fucking listicle buzzfeed
Bullshit like blog articles just be like
can you believe
what's happening right now?
In in the thing is like
dudes like I mean obviously
Dudes like this have like fucking their
brains are fucking mush,
but like dudes like grums
Or something when they bitch about games
being woke or something
Even if you do believe in what they're
saying, which I don't even really know
what this dude's axiom is
I don't think he actually has one
But but this dude like completely
complains about like thing
like just things like just
Just like a goon or who likes to bully
people on Twitter.
That's that's really yeah
I I get I guess but but it's it's hard to
like pin down what like grums actually
Believes I don't think he actually
believes in anything
but like all of his posts are just like
complaining because like
The the character and whatever fucking
video games titties aren't big enough for
there's like a black person
It's like I don't like
what are you getting at like?
I don't I don't know like like what the
golden age of gaming was for you like
when there was like I
Don't I don't know like pong because
there weren't weren't any
this a very there's a very like
contradictory
Contradictory the sort of thing here
where like a lot of these guys back in
the day were like very loud
proponent proponents of like
Games or art you can't ban them. Oh fuck
this Jack Thompson guy
gamers rise up blah blah blah
Yeah, it's like okay
You're on one hand
you're saying games or art
But then on the other hand like any time
somebody like writes about a game and
it's not just like a
review of the product
And they're actually talking about the
themes or whatever. It's like well
Right, right. Yeah, and it's like yeah,
we talked about this before I don't
remember the exact episode
But we were looking at like um old-school
like gaming magazine ads or whatever
Oh, right like shit
for like like Tomb Raider
We would be like your girlfriend won't
want you to play this
game because big titties
Whatever and it's like
okay, so games are art
But like that's the era that you guys
want to go back to in terms of like how
we talk about them and advertise them
That seems I don't
know a little whack to me
Yeah
well
well
It is because it was it
was really just like yeah
It's just kind of like like nerd goon or
shit, but like it but like not
Not in a not even in a fun
way. It's just kind of like
lame, it's it's it's like a
it's it's a culture of like
Kind of like dudes around the water
cooler at the office and just like did
you see the knockers on her?
What yeah shit and then like it's just
like guys like giggling at each other the
whole time about like titties
And it's like well none of you guys are
like getting laid or
anything like what what?
Like is is that really what
you miss so much is just like
casual misogyny and like
In in not even that
but just like excuse you
Not getting laid my four thousand dollar
love dolls to cura-chan and I are happily
married for five years
Yeah, yeah, that's weird. It's especially
weird because grums is
like supposedly married
I feel so bad for that one
It's seriously seriously, I mean it's
it's probably a dead bedroom or whatever.
I don't know the situation
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure
I don't know I think but it's yeah
I think this whole thing maybe ties well
into like I kind of the the last little
point I want to make here
Which which is maybe this is me being a
little charitable a little a little kind
to the hipsters after
all the the mean things
That we've we've both said this episode
on the flip side of things. I do think
there's also kind of like this
This like annoying undercurrent I see in
a lot of the backlash against like what
people consider hipsters as well
where it's like if you express any like
interest in like a piece of media or like
a hobby or something in a way that other
people deem like a little a little like
Performative or like like over
intellectual or something like that
People will also call you a hipster and I
think I don't know I do think nowadays is
this really annoying like anti
intellectual pushback against like an
enjoying any piece of media beyond like
quickly consuming and throwing it away as
like the the flavor of the weak thing on
Netflix or whatever and
I do think you know over the years. I do
think a lot of people have been like
Mistakenly labeled as hipsters because
they're just like I don't know a little
more into art or like they have a an
Esoteric interest in something that's
like a little a little retro and antique
or whatever when I don't think the the
labels always deserve
Necessarily yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's
it's like the the
ironic thing about this is
There there's a lot of hypocrisy
between the people like that they
They they would shit on somebody for
being like oh you listen to like
Popular thing or watch pop. Yeah, I don't
do that. I only listen to like
like
Esoteric indie thing huh? Yeah, I'm I'm
much I have much better
Taste in media than you but like but they
and they'd be like, oh what
a fucking hipster douchebag
elitist fuck
In in like in there are a lot of people
who would like definitely
Just like not like things because they're
popular and they wouldn't
even like give them a shot
Yeah, maybe maybe a good example of this
here, right is um, are you familiar with
the the the term new core like slash
MU from 4chan. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I just found a random chart. I'll
just link link it to you into in DMS here
It's like a chart of albums and I see
like okay the the fucking notorious
neutral milk hotel album is
Ex-military from death grips is in the
court of the Crimson King
There's kid a from
Radiohead a lot of classics here
and I feel like this is a good example
right because I feel
like there's a lot of like
Music acts that a person could be into
and other people immediately go like oh,
that's just new core
Oh, you just you just like that cuz you
saw it on a chart fucking hipster get out
of here when it's like
To give credit to me
I do I do sincerely like a lot of the
albums on there like essentials list even
like I don't know like fuck 4chan
But like I I look at a lot of that stuff
It's like I don't care if other people
perceive it as
hipster. No, it's really good
For sure and like if
you on like r slash music
one of the most like
famous examples of like the
Terminally dick road artists
on there is gorillas which like
We both like gorillas and but like the
point it doesn't it doesn't really matter
It's it's kind of just like it's it's
kind of just a choice
And I think a lot of these things even if
I'm not like particularly
Obsessed with them or it's not quite my
style like I can I
think I can at this point
Kind of say if something is bad or good
But like but I see the opposite thing
with the spectrum to where
like if I like very famously
I'm not a fan of brat. I don't think it's
great. I don't think it's
a terribly offensive album
I think it's just boring. It's average.
It's very derivative. Listen. I don't
really give a shit. I
I don't really give a shit what?
Fantano says Fantano is the
new fucking pitchfork for like
for online music people
where we're like in fucking
Everybody says oh, I don't
see Fantano as a as an authority
I just you know, I just let you know
listen to what he says and then they like
have the exact same like
like
like like I feel a little I feel a little
conflicted here because I'm gonna I'm
gonna pull out the hipster card here I
Was actually I I was one of the like
early bird subscribers to Fantano. I
discovered his channel back in like
2011 when I was in my senior
year of high school and now I'm
31 and like one good for him that he
managed to make this like a big fucking
career or something like that
But like man
it's crazy because like I do still listen
to like one or two of the artists that I
found through him back when he was like
I like a two thousand subscriber and your
I have I have that that's actually really
cool that you that you saw like early
Fantano I
Discovered him relatively recently
probably a few years ago, but um
But but like my point is I
have nothing against Fantano
I I think just like music reviewers in
general. I don't quite get it. I don't
really need somebody to tell me
What they think is good or
not, but like my point is
Fantano is is is just like pitchfork and
like Rolling Stone which
so many people are like
I'm not gonna let some fucking some
authority tell me how to
listen to music or what's good
They don't know that and then like and
then Fantano's like oh, this is a perfect
album. They're like yeah
It's a perfect album is it wait. What did
Fantano? Oh, yeah, it has
really good lyrics and hold on
What it would have been
Tennessee? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the
Album I was really I was ragging on
notorious political streamer and
Kid porn and joyer vosh earlier this
stream there's a classic
Meme that vosh fans have made that goes
something like um, I sorry
I don't have an opinion about that topic
vosh hasn't done a stream about it yet
And I think an ironically there are a lot
of people who are like, um, I don't have
an opinion about that album
Fantano without my beauty
Without but I also want to say it is a
little funny comparing him to like pitch
pitchfork and all these other outlets
because as far as I know a
Lot of them like did not like Fantano for
a long time because
it's like a whole like
Legacy media versus like oh who's this
new asshole on like YouTube or whatever
and why oh for sure so much for sure
So for sure in that's the thing. I I
fucking hate Rolling
Stone. I hate pitchfork
I always have I have no beep with
Fantano. I think he's
it. I think he's a cool guy
I like what he does. I don't see him as
an authority. I like to
hear what he has to say
He listens to a lot of music. I think
that's that's dope. He
talks about it. That's cool
Whether you like my my issue, I feel like
when I hear Fantano give
his opinion about an album
I feel like he's being sincere. I don't
think he's like
bullshitting because like without
Something so you gotta yeah say something
good about this one or whatever for ad
money or right, right, right
And in like I mean I very
rarely look at pitchfork, but but
Rolling Stone for for quite a while like
for like 20 fucking years
now at least has definitely
Like whenever they have like reviews or
it's it's basically they
just look at like how much money
Whatever label got from that and they're
just like oh, it's yeah,
they got 20 million dollars
So is it I'm not I'm not as well versed
on like the whole
music industry or whatever
But I'm kind of getting this vibe of like
it's kind of like how basically anybody
can be like a New York Times
Best-selling writer by just
like throwing money into the yeah
Yeah, yeah, and and I'm not necessarily
I'm I'm not saying either way that
Rolling Stone is like paid off to give
good reviews. I'm not
saying that they might be I'm not
This is all our I'm
saying allegedly allegedly
I'm I'm I'm saying that
they just take the safe route
Because it's just like because it's just
slop it just slop and it's just like hey
Nirvana was a very
Influential band or
whatever anybody remember this gem
Yeah, that's that's the
last time I'm making that joke
But but back to my original point like I
thought brat was like a fucking
Whatever album it in in in
like people like get pissed off
About this and just like how oh you
fucking you're an idiot
You you suck or whatever and
and it like and to be clear
I I am like a musician I think call
myself that I've been doing
Music for a while. I've
gotten paid for it before
I'm not saying like I'm a fucking musical
genius or have like
an incredible amount of
education
in this field, but like
also like my
Criteria for what makes like a good or
interesting album might
be different from yours
But also like I just don't think it's
that I I don't think it's
great and I could tell you why
nobody would listen to the reason I I
don't think it's great because like
There's there's this
like fucking emotional
connection to shit and in in the
To bring it back to like the point that I
brought this up is people just like oh
you're just like uh, oh
popular thing bad
You're just like a
Contrarian shit like that. It's like no,
dude. I don't give a shit in fact
I would fucking love if the most if the
chart toppers were good
This is not a fucking rick beato thing
like I I I would
really like if if the if the
Artists that we have to hear all the time
were fucking dope
like that would be great
Unfortunately in some of them are I mean
like it's it's good to see that that
New Kendrick album or whatever like gets
so much love like I think it's good
but but like
It's it's weird that this is
like the the conclusion people
Jump to immediately is I must just be
like like like a hipster
I I must just be like oh, this is popular
So it's so it's bad and just like no
that's never been I
fucking love a shit ton of music
That is or was popular
I just think I've had a I'm of it. So
I've had I've gone into arguments about
music before and I've
had different people
I
Ironically tell me Briar you're a hipster
because you don't like
Hyper-pop and that's just like your
contrarian opinion because it's like
popular right now and whatever
Yeah, and then I've had
other people tell me like oh
It's like I don't even know where I'm
going with this. I just want
to say man fuck fuck hyper pop
I don't get it. I think like fucking 100
gigs and shit. I
think it's like a sigh-op
I don't think anybody sincerely likes
this music. It's beyond
I don't know. I I don't think it's good
Um, I try to find the
musical value in everything
I think some stuff is just purely vibes
based and if that's
the vibe you're going for
Cool. I need like I need something
Music to give to give them the smallest
bit of credit when I just like read the
lyrics on on like the screen
I will say the line feels so clean like a
money machine does go pretty hard
But then I actually listen to the song
and it sounds like utter dog shit, and I
just can't do it. I don't know
in in in and that's a thing is like on on
the opposite end of
that spectrum like I I've
I've been recommended music for people
and they're just like oh you gotta listen
to this is like so cool
And it's a it's a two chord Charlie
Fucking acoustic guitar
bullshit with somebody yowling
Some some like and I'm just like yeah
I I don't really that that's not very
interesting to me and they're like oh you
You got it. You really got to listen to
the lyrics and shit. It's like well
That's besides a point. This is like just
kind of like it's not like
the the music is boring and
But you want me to
listen to the lyrics like I
That like what's a point like just write
a poem just just like
You're setting like a shitty poem to
music. I guess but
like the music isn't good
So what purpose does the music
serve just right right words?
Yeah, also if it's all about the right
Also, I I stumbled over my words earlier
the point I was
getting as I've heard people
Simultaneously say that hyper pop is like
an entire hipster genre of music and also
that I'm a hipster
because I don't like it
Because it's popular or something like
that and it's like okay. Maybe maybe none
of these words fucking
mean anything actually
Exactly exactly. So yeah, I mean hipsters
never really meant anything right?
Well, I won't say always because it did
mean something like the
1940s or whatever. Yeah, that's a long
time ago, but like in the modern sense.
It's always just been a fucking
pejorative or whatever
Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah, I think it
started as a pejorative and then was
co-opted by the people that were getting
Called that and then kind of nobody calls
themselves or others that well
I mean, I guess people who self-identify
with the word, but I I sure
haven't met them in the wild
So yeah, yeah. Yeah, cuz cuz most of them
have like moved on in life
but if you're still if you're still PSA
if you're still stuck in
2006 maybe
Maybe at least like be stuck in a
different era cuz that wasn't that great
I feel like the ones who haven't moved on
to like new and better things have just
become like little little petite bougie
like business tyrants like the guy who
just like still runs the little
microbrewery to this day serving the
fucking $20 like like
Yeah, yeah works down
Yeah, remember game remember gaming guys
remember remember sandwiches. Oh, you
guys know what a dice is.
That's really cool dice or neat
Oh
Yeah, remember when your mom used to make
you a bologna sandwich on white bread
Well, we don't do that. We have an
artisanal bag. It's
like it's like gluten-free
Yeah, we have an artisanal gluten-free
bag with with field greens
and like a and like a soy
a goy block
Fucking on there. Can I be petty for a
moment like this has
nothing to do with it
But because he brought up to it, I feel
like my my big anti hipster move moment
Whatever is I'm fine with people being
like vegetarian or vegan or whatever
But whenever I hear somebody describe
themselves as oh, I'm plant-based. I'm
like get the fuck out of
here you fucking asshole
It just sounds no that that
What what that means is like
when they're at a restaurant
They get the the veggie burger just to
kind of like feel superior to anybody
else who gets like meat or whatever
But when they're at home, they gorge
themselves on like on on meat like
Why I on ironically think these people
need to like be beaten over the head with
a gourd or something?
Yeah, for sure anyway, I think that's all
to say about this episode
I'm closing out tabs and just hesitating
a little too long looking at
the the cute Chinese Nazi girl
But we have to part ways. I need to I
need to put that away before it awakens
something unfortunate in me
Anyway, farewell fairy
and a view that Shane. Yeah
All right, let's let's let's thank our
favorite special little hipsters in the
audience today and then wrap
Oh, yeah, our our special little hipsters
all of you all have you got
found us before we were cool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're the real ones
Okay, so we got trash bins at dim bus
braid zero weasel Nick and Nilly
heresy
protagon clam
Trevor still sin Walker and woke baby as
Always. Thank you. Thank
you. Thank you for your fucking
continued love and support
I
Mean if any of you guys want to jump up
to the next year like oh
I will not only send you the stickers
But maybe maybe a lock of my hair if you
want to do a an ancient an ancient ritual
I will also send you
guys a lock of Dave's hair
Yeah, I'll take two locks
Yeah, there we go
All right, that's all we got for this
week. Thanks so much guys. We'll we'll
see you in the next one. Stay tuned
Hey, oh, yeah. Good fight. Good night