Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast | Victory: Stallone's Goalkeeper Role, POW Soccer Escape!

Join the Stallone fan podcast crew for a deep dive into the 1981 classic Victory (aka Escape to Victory)! We break down Sylvester Stallone’s POW soccer drama with Michael Caine, Pelé, and Max von Sydow — covering the epic match, real soccer legends on screen, escape plans, John Huston’s direction, and tons of fun trivia.

From Stallone’s training injuries and on-set demands to the legendary bicycle kick, halftime escape chaos, and that crowd-rush finale, we discuss what makes this sports-war hybrid still hold up. Great cast chemistry, impressive cinematography, and plenty of laughs along the way.

Creators and Guests

Host

Craig Cohen

The OG Podfather

Host

Doug Greenberg

He has Big Guns

Host

Ryan Rebalkin

What is Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast ?

Welcome to the *Sylvester Stallone and Friends* podcast, your go-to show for fans of Sylvester Stallone’s action-packed legacy, hosted by Ryan and a variety of other passionate hosts! This podcast dives deep into Stallone’s standalone films and those of his action-hero contemporaries, with special episodes dedicated to Frank Stallone. Please note that *Rocky* and *Rambo* are covered exclusively on our sister podcasts, *One More Round: The Rocky Series Podcast* and *It’s a Long Road: The Rambo Series Podcast*. Join us for engaging discussions, behind-the-scenes insights, and a nostalgic celebration of the films that defined a genre. Whether you’re a longtime fan or new to the scene, subscribe to the *Sylvester Stallone and Friends* feed for action-packed episodes you won’t want to miss!

0:2222 secondsokay hey welcome everyone to the Stallone podcast Network I am one of three hosts of this network work I am
0:3030 secondsRyan I do Going the Distance the Rocky and Creed series podcasts on that feed Craig hey what's going
0:3939 secondson well am I supposed to plug I kind of feel like plugging is if you're
0:4646 secondslistening to this and you don't know who or what we're doing ah it's true I guess I mean you
0:5555 secondswell tell people that are maybe new to the you never know somebody might just be a victory fanatic and listening to this episode and they're like oh you guys actually do have the shows on your feed that's the whole point you never
1:041 minute, 4 secondsknow who you're going to grab it could be one person all right well so uh I'm Craig Goen I'm part of the Stallone fan podcast Network and my contribution in
1:131 minute, 13 secondsaddition to the monthly show that we do is the sly cast which is a chronological look at Sylvester Stallone's career from
1:201 minute, 20 secondshis first movie all the way to his last movie which hasn't happened yet right now we're floating around in the the mid 90s our last episode was assassins and
1:291 minute, 29 secondsbefore we get to Daylight we're going to take a nice little trip back to the 80s and uh early 90s for uh some anniversary
1:381 minute, 38 secondsepisodes in no November we're going to be doing a 35th Anniversary episode for Rocky 4 and a 30 30th Anniversary
1:471 minute, 47 secondsSpecial for Rocky 5 and there's a lot of great content there you can look for that in this very feed come November are
1:551 minute, 55 secondswe guessing on that s cast Doug and I to record something is that what uh hopefully as soon as we're done doing this live I can get some comments from
2:022 minutes, 2 secondsyou guys if not we'll set up another time right now um I've got a whole bunch of conversations I've had with people
2:082 minutes, 8 secondsand got some listener input as well so I I want to give some input I do I want to talk about it I don't think this recording is going to be that long this
2:162 minutes, 16 secondswhy I don't know I got a weird feeling this might be our shortest we'll see how it goes well it's weird and and before Doug does his plug I want to say the one
2:242 minutes, 24 secondsthing that's fascinating about Victory is it's like a 2hour long movie but it's like 40 it's worth of
2:312 minutes, 31 secondscontent yeah we'll get to that for sure Doug Doug the plug let's go yeah one of
2:382 minutes, 38 secondsthe hosts of of the Rocky at one of the podcasts that's on the Sylvester salom fan pod podcast Network and uh the
2:452 minutes, 45 secondsgimmick on our show is where Craig does Stallone movies chronologically we do minutes of the rocky films
2:532 minutes, 53 secondschronologically we go minute by minute through each movie and we analyze each individual minute of film time uh we've
3:023 minutes, 2 secondscompleted Rockies one and two and our version of Judge Dread is Rocky 3 we are working on it and getting it out to you
3:103 minutes, 10 secondsguys as quickly as possible well like we said before the uh the rocky I don't like to say spam that's not the good
3:183 minutes, 18 secondsword spam would mean it's unwanted content but the rocky upload on her feet of the rocky minute season 1 Rocky one
3:253 minutes, 25 secondshas been fantastic how close we are to the end here almost Rocky one I think I got maybe two more or three more weeks
3:343 minutes, 34 secondsworth awesome so by Christmas we'll be listening to season two definitely that's awesome definitely hopefully uh I could get out all of season two by
3:433 minutes, 43 secondsChristmas that'd be awesome and then we can start rolling into season 3 Rocky 3 in 2021 that's right I got some editing to
3:513 minutes, 51 secondsdo get to work you're going to turn it to Craig all right well as we do so like we said before we're the three host for three different podcasts on one Network
4:004 minuteswe all have our own little Spin and uh Spin and flavor as you will for our individual shows but I think we uh well
4:074 minutes, 7 secondsjust like Paulie accused of Rocky and Rocky B boo I think we do we have peaked I think we Peak when it comes to us joining forces I think the quality of
4:144 minutes, 14 secondsour podcasting is at a peak when we uh come together and talk about um a Stallone film that's we kind of agreed
4:224 minutes, 22 secondsbefore this all started it's kind of it's not going to be a rocky or Rambo film necessarily it doesn't mean it can ever be but I think we're going to cover those in our own ways like Craig's doing
4:294 minutes, 29 secondson his show and like I've done on mine uh the rocking ramble franchises are kind of like I think those are kind of sacred to each own podcaster so we
4:374 minutes, 37 secondsrecovering films that aren't franchise films or aren't those two franchise films and today we're doing we did another vote this one was close this was
4:454 minutes, 45 secondsa close race between what were the three films again Victory fist Paradise Alley Paradise fist yeah when we put the polls up to the listeners we always try to
4:534 minutes, 53 secondsmake sure it's it's it's a you know three movies of equal caliber or fandom to make it tight the race and it was very tight I'm talking it was two or
5:025 minutes, 2 secondsthree volts between Victory and fist fist I was pulling for fist I thought you picked Victory Craig no victory was
5:105 minutes, 10 secondsmine I think oh I I kind of thought that this was just we established that we were gonna do like three movies that sort of hung out around the same sort of
5:195 minutes, 19 secondstime frame yeah or theme if you will I mean they're all kind of serious Sly movies so yeah I mean I think I was
5:265 minutes, 26 secondsassigned I don't even remember what I was assigned but voted for fist yeah fist uh that was actually the
5:335 minutes, 33 secondsalternative name for party K how many times are you going to use that
5:415 minutes, 41 secondsjoke I'm sorry I didn't mean to call you out on your own show no that's all right Craig barely barely cracking a smell
5:495 minutes, 49 secondshe's surpris Craig is always disappointed to me I think that's his I think he's he's like I had a good thing going
5:575 minutes, 57 secondswith the sly cast guys are professional knows there you know Ryan comes along and okay his toilet humor yeah he's
6:056 minutes, 5 secondsalways disappointed in US yes I know he's a disappointed father we are like a couple children compared to him I was kind of funny
6:136 minutes, 13 secondsenough I was kind of rooting for fist but I'm happy that we got Victory as well because this is a film that I haven't seen well I've seen Victory before like
6:226 minutes, 22 secondswe always do we'll talk about the first time we've seen it when it might have been before this recording so the first time I saw victory was back when I was in great School I haven't seen it in 30
6:316 minutes, 31 secondsyears at least cuz I'm 45 this month so to say that I've seen it since I was 15 might be a stretch so it's been 30 plus
6:386 minutes, 38 secondsyears since I've sat down and watch this film and I would have seen it in grade school type thing because of my love of Rocky and uh Rambles as a kid so I was
6:466 minutes, 46 secondswatching films with Sly and I don't remember not liking it I don't remember not not liking it I just don't really remember much of it in fact when I
6:546 minutes, 54 secondswatched it for the first time we'll get into it I felt like I was watching it for the first time I forgot how it ended I forgot why we had the soccer match or
7:027 minutes, 2 secondsthe football match all those things uh Craig when was the last time you saw this when was the first time you saw this first time I saw it was probably
7:097 minutes, 9 secondssometime in the 80s probably the home box office and then prior to sitting down to watch it for this recording I
7:167 minutes, 16 secondshad sat down to watch it for probably what was episode three or four of the
7:237 minutes, 23 secondsslly cast that was when we were doing the slly cast we were for those that were there from the beginning they may
7:307 minutes, 30 secondsremember that the slidecast was originally invisioned as like a a maxi series if you will and we were going to do I think 13 episodes and then we were
7:397 minutes, 39 secondshaving so much fun and it was so successful creatively not financially um that we decided to dedicate a a movie
7:487 minutes, 48 secondsper episode so victory was I think lumped in with fist so this is actually going to be pretty cool to to sit down and and actually have an episode
7:557 minutes, 55 secondsdedicated to it because sast never got a dedicated episode so it had to share whatever minutes we had with other
8:028 minutes, 2 secondsmovies we talked about right before we started this this little side project of ours I never knew this movie even existed um wow I've heard of fist I
8:128 minutes, 12 secondsheard of Paradise Alley and all those other early Stallone films and when we started this and and we got to the point where we're g to go through his
8:208 minutes, 20 secondsfilmography and pick a movie that we wanted to vote on um I picked Victory
8:278 minutes, 27 secondsreally early on as as one of my is just because I was like oh wow Stallone is a soccer player in a in a World War II
8:358 minutes, 35 secondsperiod piece this sounds like very interesting so I picked it it didn't win back then but here we are and I finally
8:428 minutes, 42 secondsgot to watch it I'm glad I got to watch it John Houston directed this film and I went through his filmography
8:508 minutes, 50 secondsI knew the name but I haven't seen any of his films other than Victory now is it V for victory or Victory it's really
8:588 minutes, 58 secondsconfusing well it's funny because the official name is what Escape to Victory which I always called it D for victory I think
9:059 minutes, 5 secondsVictory from what I read was the official name and some other release or or or overseas release it was called Escape to Victory or Escape for victory
9:149 minutes, 14 secondswas it ever called V for victory am I wrong about that okay I think so okay so sorry I just made one up so Ryan you've
9:219 minutes, 21 secondslike never seen the malti falcon or the Remake Argo but no I uh I looked at his filmography and there's a lot of film on
9:299 minutes, 29 secondsthere that legitimately you know I would like to see that I I like going back to Old films that I missed obviously because I wasn't born and yeah John
9:369 minutes, 36 secondsHouston to say that he has you know didn't have a great career as an underst understand he had a great career he was a reward he actually woned golden glob for acting too and this guy was a
9:459 minutes, 45 secondsprolific Entertainer director actor writer producer but yeah this is the only film I've ever seen and right off
9:539 minutes, 53 secondsthe top I will say that it it looks nice the film looks it looks like a real film oh yeah yeah if you had this film on
10:0110 minutes, 1 secondmute it looks like a really good film no I was uh I was kind of surprised at the cinematography aspect of it
10:1010 minutes, 10 secondsbecause wi screen well it's yeah it's that two it's that 2351 the true true widescreen there's one really sweeping
10:1910 minutes, 19 secondsoverhead shot of the concentration camp that they're in and it's really re like a beautiful shot I was shocked that you
10:2810 minutes, 28 secondsknow I knowing nothing about this movie I kind of just thought it was like a you know an early 80s lowbudget kind of right toss away but I didn't see what
10:3610 minutes, 36 secondsthe budget was Ryan I'm sure you got those numbers it it looks like a lot went into the production and cinematography of it Craig you to say
10:4410 minutes, 44 secondssomething more about Johnny H I think it might have interrupted you on that no not at all I was just you made me do a double take to make sure that we were talking about the same John Houston
10:5210 minutes, 52 secondsbecause I was like wow that guy made a lot of classic movies in the you know the 40s yeah older movies of course I mean he was an older gentleman but he
11:0011 minutesdid make a lot of films with a lot of different actors from I guess Stallone to from Jack Nicholson to prisy honor which I still haven't seen that's a movie I would still like to see so
11:0911 minutes, 9 secondsthere's movies that he's done that I would like to see so off the top is like John Houston film so when that credit rolled up and I should say for the movie that I watched the version that I
11:1711 minutes, 17 secondswatched thank you shout out to Andy for his copy I will to say that it said Victory the title was victory yeah
11:2511 minutes, 25 secondsyeahhuh so wherever this film was filmed or shown to whatever crowd the official film title is Victory and I
11:3211 minutes, 32 secondsthink I like that one better yeah so let's talk about the players that we have literally and figuratively the players in the film we have Michael Kane
11:4111 minutes, 41 secondswho is a strapping young lad of 48 in this film I I tell you man Michael Kane never ceases to amaze me that guy can
11:5011 minutes, 50 secondsact the [ __ ] out of any role you give him yeah for his character it was I think a well-written role man he he
11:5711 minutes, 57 secondskilled it he's like the MV P his movie again and well the funny thing is he still took second billing to Sly which
12:0512 minutes, 5 secondsis kind of funny because I mean for like let's say Academy Award nominations
12:1112 minutes, 11 secondsMichael Kane was the he was the lead Sly was the supporting actor yeah did you read any of the the trivia on it what
12:1912 minutes, 19 secondsyear first of all what year was this 81 811 yeah go ahead which is wild because Sly was really really slim down for this
12:2812 minutes, 28 secondsI mean of course got to be he was playing a prisoner of war wow so this is like like right right around the time he was probably getting ready to do first
12:3612 minutes, 36 secondsBlood yeah Rocky 3 was I don't know if Rocky 3 had been filmed yet or not no no
12:4412 minutes, 44 secondsthe Rocky 3 was after first Blood yeah yeah but I mean they were both 82 right Rocky 3 was 82 First Blood was is
12:5312 minutes, 53 secondscursing us right now like I always say don't worry he never listens to my show so if I yeah
13:0013 minutes1982 yeah first blood was 1982 so going back to Stallone real quick Frank I didn't mean to cut you off this is the
13:0713 minutes, 7 secondsmindset here talking about him getting top billing and stuff he refused to eat with the other cast members and he kept
13:1513 minutes, 15 secondsleaving every weekend to fly to London or Paris in a private jet he wasn't even commiserating with the other cast
13:2213 minutes, 22 secondsmembers it's a nice Flex talk about a flex he insisted that his character scores the game-winning goal insisted because he felt like he was the biggest
13:3013 minutes, 30 secondsstar of the movie but the crew convinced him how absurd it is for a goalkeeper to score a game-winning goal so they
13:3813 minutes, 38 secondssettled and let him make the game saving save yeah yeah yeah make no mistake though p is the biggest star in this
13:4513 minutes, 45 secondsmovie I mean oh my God P was an international I mean p was a big deal I mean for listeners who aren't young
13:5313 minutes, 53 secondsenough to remember when P was inactive P was big deal he was like the Michael Jordan
14:0014 minutesof football or soccer for anybody yes let's just say if we just forgive us anyone from the UK and we have a lot of
14:0714 minutes, 7 secondsUK and Australian listeners just leave us alone we call it soccer okay get get over yourself all right we play
14:1614 minutes, 16 secondsfootball and Play Soccer too thank you for the trivia Doug and I want to speak to it because we actually just on our Going the Distance feed
14:2514 minutes, 25 secondstalked about Stallone's Oscar snub it comes up often of course what we read about that of course was that people
14:3214 minutes, 32 secondslegitimately in Anonymous interviews they legitimately said that they wouldn't vote for slide to win the Oscar because of his ego even in
14:4114 minutes, 41 seconds2015 dude have you ever worked with somebody and 10 years later you haven't worked with them but you still think they're a dick yeah yeah I I hate to say
14:4914 minutes, 49 secondsHollywood's a small family in many ways it's its own little world right and it doesn't have a lot of people in it compared to the other even in my my
14:5614 minutes, 56 secondslittle U military in the Navy that I'm in and you know you kind of get to know people through reputation what have if if you have a bad reputation it falls you everywhere even quote unquote if you
15:0415 minutes, 4 secondscan change and I would say sly is I would suspect at least on the surface he's humbled over the years he's 70 what
15:1215 minutes, 12 secondsis he 76 now 74 74 all those straight to all those straight to DVD movies will
15:1915 minutes, 19 secondshumble you Craig if if I can change and you can change everybody could change Sly as we
15:2915 minutes, 29 secondsputs those in his films those types of IDE ideas and thoughts cuz he's going through them himself I'll just say that S at the age of 74 I think he is more
15:3715 minutes, 37 secondsgrounded and humble and I think by his own admission well he's already said that he's made stupid mistakes that he was stupid in his younger years so he's 35 when this came out that's like over
15:4615 minutes, 46 secondshalf his life ago I cut him slack and I and I feel bad for anyone that gets punished I am not the same person I was when I was 20s something it's impossible
15:5415 minutes, 54 secondsnone of us are yeah and so I think it is unfair the judge slide today of his behavior yesterday we're talking about nothing criminal here we're just talk for anybody I mean obviously we're just
16:0216 minutes, 2 secondssaying people change and people grow and they get humbled and Life Changes them and people in Hollywood I would suspect they might hold a grudge like you said
16:1016 minutes, 10 secondsif burning bridg is especially in a in a town like Hollywood I'm sure you don't get too many like the Bible says you
16:1716 minutes, 17 secondsdon't get too many second chances I think the Bible did said that I I I don't want to curse in the Holy place like this uh so so Michael Kane uh he
16:2616 minutes, 26 secondswas 48 great job handsome man and looking good for 48 a little bit older than I thought he was and I double checked but it was kind of interesting
16:3416 minutes, 34 secondscuz he talked I guess for our listeners we should say Doug do you have a basic overview what the movie's about English prisoners of war in a in a German it's
16:4316 minutes, 43 secondsnot exactly a concentration camp or a labor camp it's I mean what would you call itamp just a p camp yeah yeah the
16:5116 minutes, 51 secondsprisoners aren't being mistreated one of the the majors on the the German Army was a uh German National ER player he
17:0017 minutesrecognizes Michael Kane's character from being an English soccer player and challenges the English PS to a soccer
17:0817 minutes, 8 secondsgame what's the verdict on Williams regrettable mistake the how Bloody Wars a
17:1517 minutes, 15 secondsregrettable mistake I agree do you uh you can believe me or not it's nothing to
17:2317 minutes, 23 secondsme if Nations could settle their differences on the football pitch wouldn't that be a challenge huh
17:2917 minutes, 29 secondshow would you like to play a game against a team from the VMA a team from the army base
17:3717 minutes, 37 secondsnearby what for settle a war unfortunately not let's say for morale
17:4517 minutes, 45 secondsyours or ours for both Life In This Place must be very boring what sort of team are they any
17:5317 minutes, 53 secondsgood I haven't chosen a team it's just an idea it's not an order you can't make this oh it's a
18:0118 minutes, 1 secondchallenge meanwhile the English officers that are in the p camp hatch an escape plan to get the soccer team to escape
18:1018 minutes, 10 secondsfrom the PW Camp during the game I suppose you hadn't thought of going by Paris have you no Paris no sir I think
18:1818 minutes, 18 secondsyou'd find it easier they wouldn't expect you to go that way but I'm still an occupied territory where do I go from there we could Supply you with contacts
18:2618 minutes, 26 secondsnames and safe houses you'd be uh well looked after no thanks but I want to thank you all for your concern but I'm
18:3418 minutes, 34 secondsreally not planning on seeing Paris until after the war why Colonel we want you to contact the resistance for us and
18:4218 minutes, 42 secondsarrange the Escape of the football team K's Escape all of them the whole team this match is a propaganda stunt for the
18:5118 minutes, 51 secondsGermans It's a Wonderful opportunity for us but why send me the French may have thought of all this themselves indeed they may
18:5918 minutes, 59 secondsbut then again they may not we have to get word to them somehow what do you want me to do find out if an escape is
19:0619 minutes, 6 secondsfeasible ask them to try it if they won't they won't but they'd help you to get to
19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsSpain or Switzerland I suppose I could do that wonderful thank you I'll go over the
19:2019 minutes, 20 secondsdetails with you tonight not a word to kby you'll have to know something you'll have to know you're going I really don't
19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsbelieve this what this freaking game is wrecking my life the soccer game happens I don't want to
19:3419 minutes, 34 secondsspoil the the ending but we'll save it the good thing about the movie it starts right away we're in a p camp it's World War II and the prisoners are all Allied
19:4219 minutes, 42 secondsForces we've got people from all over Europe and we should say that the soccer players who are playing or correction
19:4919 minutes, 49 secondsthe the actors that were playing prisoners from their respective countries these were real soccer players from those countries to skip ahead a
19:5819 minutes, 58 secondslittle bit obviously to the end of the film when we're watching the soccer play we'll get to that later but that's why the soccer plays and what have you look so good is because these were real
20:0720 minutes, 7 secondssoccer players doing the dance on the field and doing those moves Paley not withstanding there was like five to eight or 10 or if not more yeah real
20:1620 minutes, 16 secondsprofessional the top of the world type soccer players in this film so good for them to be casting this to kind of that's fun you know they actually you do
20:2320 minutes, 23 secondsthis as a job you know or as your career as you're a soccer player but yeah hey we get to kick a ball around the film with Michael Kane and Stallone that's
20:3020 minutes, 30 secondspretty cool it's got to be to this day probably what the best football film there is if you're a soccer fan and a
20:3920 minutes, 39 secondsfan of those footballers can you think of any other movie like Like Beckham were there real players in that uh
20:4720 minutes, 47 secondsthere's a hot girl who played the lead this had to be pretty exciting in 1981 if you were like an international soccer
20:5420 minutes, 54 secondsfan so sly's first word in the film right out of the playground script book so the soccer ball gets kicked out of
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondplay and Max von Snow's character holds it under his foot he's a very tall lanky F isn't he or is that just how he look
21:0821 minutes, 8 secondsyeah he was he was pretty tall yeah guy was short I guess but yeah go ahead was he ever
21:1521 minutes, 15 secondsyoung he's one of those guys he was 6'4 was he really he's a tall dude yeah okay that is tall okay very very imposing
21:2321 minutes, 23 secondsfigure yeah he he and Tom Lee Jones are both 300 years old they have never
21:3021 minutes, 30 secondsTomy Jones has never been young either uh it's weird how some people they just never look young even when you see a picture of have you looked at Tomley Jones like his high school photo he
21:3921 minutes, 39 secondslooks like he's
21:4021 minutes, 40 seconds[Laughter]
21:4121 minutes, 41 seconds38 so I don't know if you remember he just died back in March Tommy Lee Jones
21:4821 minutes, 48 secondsMax the first line out of s mouth for this film was can I have my ball back L can I have my ball back that's
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondshow get some nice stunt footwork from whoever was doubling Max von side out oh you don't think that was Max doing that play with the soccer
22:0522 minutes, 5 secondsball you know speaking of doubles I also read that Michael Kane was just a simply awful soccer player there's one shot in
22:1422 minutes, 14 secondsthe movie where you see him go down and you can I mean they did a pretty good job but you can tell it's not Michael Kane like you can just tell it's like a
22:2322 minutes, 23 secondsguy with Michael Kane type hair and like 50 pounds lighter yeah no offense to Michael Kane and again
22:3122 minutes, 31 secondsthis is is I I love getting the real ages of the actors when they're playing these films because he says to one of the German officers Michael Kane's
22:3822 minutes, 38 secondscharacter who's called Kobe he says that uh he played soccer and and the guy insinuated that his career was over he goes no my career is on
22:4622 minutes, 46 secondspause you are the sporton I'm colby colby it's very
22:5322 minutes, 53 secondsfamiliar it's a common name they're very enthusiastic no bloody good but very
23:0223 minutes, 2 secondsenthusiastic yeah and you play matches oh yeah we have a league four divisions we even play Internationals
23:1023 minutes, 10 secondsInternationals yeah England Ireland Scotland Wales oh you call that International would be International if you played against
23:1823 minutes, 18 secondsGermany we'd murder you Colby John
23:2423 minutes, 24 secondsColby yes West Ham United and England that's right it's a shame the war has ended your
23:3223 minutes, 32 secondscareer interrupted let's hope so dude you're 48 there's no way you're
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondsplaying this running game soccer is like the most cardio crazy game in the world yeah actually surprised that he took a
23:4923 minutes, 49 secondsplayer's role in it I thought he was just going to be like the head coach that's a good point though because this movie would the whole plot and idea and
23:5623 minutes, 56 secondsall of Kane's Parts wouldn't have changed how they just made him the head coach and it would have been more believable and we wouldn't be having this conversation but he's a player and
24:0424 minutes, 4 secondsleader it's kind of weird let's talk about Stallone's character uh hatch he was a an American officer American
24:1224 minutes, 12 secondsSpecial Forces type guy but he was working with the Canadian military which is kind of odd they didn't explain it and I'm in the Canadian military and I'm
24:1924 minutes, 19 secondstrying to we definitely work with Allied Forces but even me I was just like I don't know why even have that plot Point why make that about him and he was alone
24:2824 minutes, 28 secondsAmerican in the camp tooo it seemed my guess is this is the only thing I can think of is because obviously s's American right I think what they were
24:3624 minutes, 36 secondsdoing is everyone that played in the soccer game against the Germans were Allied Forces but none of them were us and so it was a way of saying the reason
24:4424 minutes, 44 secondswhy we have an American in our midst I'm not a history book but my understanding is the US didn't really join the fight until the drop in the Pearl Harbor uh
24:5324 minutes, 53 secondsattack then then the US entered the war full force this might have been pre Pearl Harbor and so this is a way even though of course the US had a military
25:0125 minutes, 1 secondforce of course a very big one but this might have been their way of like how do we get American caught in a p camp before the bombing of Pearl Harbor while
25:0825 minutes, 8 secondshe's working with the Canadian Forces he gets captured there's also a similar issue with P being from Brazil and
25:1625 minutes, 16 secondsBrazil wasn't entered in in the war either so they said that he was from Trinidad yeah let's just uh pick another
25:2325 minutes, 23 secondscountry that has black people and not have him you know like can't they just make him American W there that
25:3225 minutes, 32 secondsaccent I guess yeah he does have a very strong accent you know what you could argue honestly you should have just made him from France uh a lot of black people
25:4025 minutes, 40 secondslive in France and it would have I would have been tricked by that accident oh it sort of sounds French but P was great you can see his chisma on screen uh we
25:4725 minutes, 47 secondswe'll get to him a little in a little bit great cast of supporting characters everyone that was acting the British officers or the European officers were
25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsall great actors sly's character I understand he was Cavalier and a little bit goofy but again it was weird as a
26:0126 minutes, 1 secondweird director's choice or or casting idea to make him goofy is a little bit like did silly wasn't he a little bit
26:0926 minutes, 9 secondssilly his acting it seemed like he was in certain situations because like when it came down to the Escape he was all
26:1626 minutes, 16 secondsbusiness right when it came down to talking about the Escape he was all business you know with the soccer stuff when he's trying to ingratiate himself
26:2426 minutes, 24 secondsto Michael Kane I guess I should have made it clear yeah anything to do with the soccer game and plane himself he seemed almost this was the first time he's ever touched a ball in his life he
26:3326 minutes, 33 secondshe was kind of weird about pick me pick me I want to be on the team okay I'm ready to sign up sign up
26:4226 minutes, 42 secondshe what about me get out there what about me get out there and play you do that am I good or am I good what's your
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsname you know my name what's your name Terry hey Toby Toby I've been looking for
26:5926 minutes, 59 secondsyou you know that football team of yours you know what you can do with that football team do you know where you can put it cuz I don't want to be on that
27:0627 minutes, 6 secondsfootball team as a matter of fact you couldn't pay me to be on that football team Kobe you got it Kobe I don't need you or
27:1527 minutes, 15 secondsyour football team anymore you got it I don't need this aggravation
27:2227 minutes, 22 secondsColby it was horribly written how he he as a character wanted on now he wanted go on the team originally because he was going to get better meals I think his
27:3127 minutes, 31 secondshis initial wed to be on the team had nothing to do with the escape cuz he was planning escapes long before the team was uh going to play against the Germans
27:3827 minutes, 38 secondsright yeah before he knew about the idea for the game he was meeting with those European officers about escaping during
27:4627 minutes, 46 secondsshower time anything else no no let's have hatch in Hatch sorry to keep you waiting you're American enlisted
27:5427 minutes, 54 secondsCanadian Army 38 transferred commanders how long have you been with this since de up how many attempts two on the way three since then
28:0328 minutes, 3 secondstime before last I got as far as STG guard how's this one guy well sir the whole thing depends on the fact that some of the goons don't Patrol when
28:1028 minutes, 10 secondswe're having a shower um some of them yes like hands and Anton at least one of them should be outside walking back and
28:1828 minutes, 18 secondsforth but they know we're inside having a shower so they come inside lean against the door have a smoke if they can bum one and I think if somebody went
28:2628 minutes, 26 secondsmissing they wouldn't report it why not they wouldn't be sure they think they'd miscount it and leave it until roll call and if you could cover for me at roll
28:3428 minutes, 34 secondscall I could be gone for days wait a minute you're going too fast for me how are you going to get out of the Wash House there's a vent in the shower room
28:4128 minutes, 41 secondsit leads into a store room or something yes I know it must have been built as a lavatory to match the one on the German side if I can get in there with
28:4928 minutes, 49 secondssomething to pick the lock and you'll be back in the enclosure where you started but I'd be all alone there's no one there now I can get onto the roof go
28:5728 minutes, 57 secondsunderneath the barbwire and drop into the German compound naked and uh how are you planning to get
29:0529 minutes, 5 secondsout of the German compound naked I've got five or six ideas should we discuss them he knew the routes of
29:1329 minutes, 13 secondsthe guards she knew when there would be holes in their the rounds and everything he was studying them this is where I get to say hey guess Ryan are you in the
29:2029 minutes, 20 secondsmilitary yes I am because because yeah check the reason so there things it's interesting when you're like I'm again
29:2829 minutes, 28 secondsI'm only in the Navy but I have you know some military background outside the Navy and just understanding little things like one uh when the officer
29:3629 minutes, 36 secondssalute it always drives me crazy when people salute maybe it's different for different countries but there's rules you do you don't salute somebody when they're sitting down uh you don't slute
29:4329 minutes, 43 secondsbehind their back you salute to their front if you're sloted you slute back as a courtesy so I was a little bit confused by the rank system if I
29:5229 minutes, 52 secondsinitiate the salute that means I'm a lower rank Max von Snow's character who the German officer in the camp there he
29:5929 minutes, 59 secondssaluted which was a courtesy he saluted Michael Kane's character the enemy uh officer but I I didn't know the rank
30:0730 minutes, 7 secondsstructure enough to know who was a higher rank it was kind of rude for Michael Kane not to acknowledge his character to acknowledge the slute or to
30:1330 minutes, 13 secondsreturn it the prisoner prisoner guard relationship that seemed really informal I don't know every time you
30:2130 minutes, 21 secondshear about nais it's what horrible awful group of people they were Max von sidow is he's actually like I I ended up
30:2930 minutes, 29 secondsliking his character yeah you know he wasn't a hard ass he wasn't beating prisoners down he was showing that prisoners respect he was showing the
30:3730 minutes, 37 secondsprisoners rank respect Ryan you're talking about saluting you would salute officers of your own military I don't
30:4330 minutes, 43 secondsyou know you slw other militaries I mean enemy militaries well there's no reason
30:5030 minutes, 50 secondswhy you wouldn't if you were on neutral ground okay and so the prison camp in a weird way is sort of like even though you're prison short at least in this
30:5930 minutes, 59 secondsprison camp at least this German prison camp there was some sort of decorum and respect of humanity and treatment you
31:0631 minutes, 6 secondsbrought up a good point there Doug that the idea that they were there was sympathy or we had sympathy quote unquote for the enemy it just uh there's a lot of stories in in World War II
31:1531 minutes, 15 secondshistory and World in a lot of different Wars when the people who aren't in control of I like I'm just fighting for my country because I was born in Germany
31:2231 minutes, 22 secondsyou know I I don't hate Jews I don't want people to die but I'm German and I guess I got to fight the Americans but when they got to know each other there's
31:3031 minutes, 30 secondsa lot of stories of enemies becoming friends because they're just people mhm nobody wants to be in a war nobody looks forward to war hey great we have to have
31:3831 minutes, 38 secondsa fight again woohoo I hope I never go to war I hope I never have to use my knowledge to in in a in a combat
31:4531 minutes, 45 secondssituation like nobody wants that you don't look for it we got a couple comments here first em King says that Sly broke his fingers from a shot by P
31:5431 minutes, 54 secondswhile in net I heard he also broke his ribs too now let me guess uh the soccer ball punched him in the ribs and he went to the hospital they talked about using
32:0332 minutes, 3 secondsa stunt double for slly and he refus because he Figures it's only soccer how how hard can soccer be this guy so so he
32:1132 minutes, 11 secondsended up with broken fingers a broken rib and he actually said the training for the soccer for the soccer scenes was harder than any training he did for
32:1832 minutes, 18 secondsRocky there is a credited double for him though there was Paul Cooper maybe after he broke his fingers
32:2632 minutes, 26 secondshe he tapped Drew B chimed in he said Victory is tied with over-the toop and Rocky four as the
32:3532 minutes, 35 secondsbest sports movies of all time so we got someone there I don't know if that's an opinion or a fact but that's what Drew Drew B says that over the top in Rocky
32:4332 minutes, 43 secondsfor well the fact that he puts over the top tide with anything for the best of is I don't know what I'm getting at with s's
32:5032 minutes, 50 secondscharacter it was just the way he almost like a little kid Sly was 35 in this film I was the director John Houston I
32:5832 minutes, 58 secondswould have played you know how he was serious regarding yeah you're right he was serious regarding the Escape attempts he was serious when he was talking about escape the way he watched
33:0633 minutes, 6 secondsthe guards all that was good stuff and Sly plays that role of the soldier very well of the uh you know all that kind of
33:1333 minutes, 13 secondsstuff I think he does no I was gonna say before before you finish your thought while we're talking about him watching the guards in 2020 watching this movie
33:2133 minutes, 21 secondsand he's counting as he's washing his hands I was like is he making sure that he
33:2833 minutes, 28 seconds20 seconds 20 but then when he went to go talk to Michael Kane to show that he's able to play soccer and I know he is supposed to
33:3733 minutes, 37 secondsbe a bad player because he's American he doesn't know how to play football you know he only knows to play American football so we see him actually tackle player but come on even in World War II
33:4633 minutes, 46 secondstime Americans must have known that soccer you don't tackle or maybe they didn't is it that new of a sport I don't know when socer made its way to the
33:5533 minutes, 55 secondsstates what's your guys' experience with the game did you play it all soccer at all growing up yeah I remember in probably it was Middle School we used to
34:0434 minutes, 4 secondshave soccer during gym class it says soccer came to the United States in 1862 well I believe it yeah but how popular
34:1334 minutes, 13 secondsit became yeah I was surprised about how much tackling they do with their feet I know that's an actual play in the game of soccer but maybe somebody I not in
34:2234 minutes, 22 secondsour comments because we have nobody watching but uh maybe uh people could just chime in on the comments on the Facebook feed or whatever ever because I know it's a film but they they were
34:3034 minutes, 30 secondsactually practicing those sliding kicks and I don't know how legal that is in soccer to keep tackling with your feet I don't know if that's allowed or not slly
34:3734 minutes, 37 secondsdid that move twice out of the goal to block the ball he did that slide they liked it so much they showed him doing it twice right and a couple of times
34:4734 minutes, 47 secondsthose plays were not called penalties because they the Germans bought off the refs or whatever the Allies were calling for penalties when the Germans were
34:5634 minutes, 56 secondsdoing that exact play but I don't know the rules of it when Sly or when his character tackled that guy in the camp when they're practicing and he was told
35:0335 minutes, 3 secondsthat he can't tackle did you get his response what soccer is it was not something that you'd say in in
35:1135 minutes, 11 seconds2020 hey stupid bloody Y what the hell do you think this is bloody hell but what' I do you know bloody well now you
35:2035 minutes, 20 secondstell me what' I do you cannot tackle like that in sucker I've been telling you that for a bloody year go with a ball you use that Bloody Amer Style
35:2835 minutes, 28 secondsagain here and you'll be B like you're playing I play American well don't play the bloody American game get off and what kind of game is this for
35:3535 minutes, 35 secondsold ladies and fairies I quit now that's a fair statement to say
35:4335 minutes, 43 secondsin 1942 or whatever oh yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah even 1981 oh sure so hatch on his Zone
35:5135 minutes, 51 secondsfigures out an Escape Route why is every prison escape route through the sewers why is every sewer 10 feet
35:5835 minutes, 58 secondshigh not in sh Shang Redemption it wasn't yeah but I always find it interesting the movies of the se you know it's the big circle like it's just like Mega huge pipes is that the way
36:0736 minutes, 7 secondsthey are are they four to five feet tall yeah when they're prepping to to build an underground I don't know if it's sewer or or like a Waterway or whatever
36:1636 minutes, 16 secondsthey never SE the end one of them either I've seen those in the movies and stuff you know is that what they are yeah in
36:2336 minutes, 23 secondsreal life I remember yeah okay when I lived in New Jersey I used to see those we had a park near my house there was a part of the park where like if you went
36:3136 minutes, 31 secondsoff the trail you would see the end of one of those drainage or whatever it was I mean and you could stand up inside of it so
36:4036 minutes, 40 secondsfor our listeners what's happened here is hatch has found a way to get out of the camp he's figured out the guard's routine of uh when a car leaves at a
36:4836 minutes, 48 secondscertain time of night and if he's in the showers he can climb out through the shower up into the top of the on top of the shower building down the shower
36:5536 minutes, 55 secondsbuilding passing on the guards lights gets into a car inside of the car goes out of the gate it's pretty cool little Escape scene it's actually kind of well
37:0437 minutes, 4 secondsdone he was told that when he gets to France he's to tell the French Resistance hey there's going to be a soccer game in France with the Germans
37:1237 minutes, 12 secondsan exhibition game for morale and all this good stuff to show that the Germans aren't animals so to speak that we play soccer to so when he gets to the French
37:1937 minutes, 19 secondsResistance he tells them hey we got a group of people that want to escape we need your help can you help them break can you basically break these guys who are going to be playing at the SOC
37:2737 minutes, 27 secondssoccer game the French Resistance like sure we'll we'll do it it's pretty ingenious what they're going to do what they're going to do is they're go through the sewer system they're going
37:3537 minutes, 35 secondsto dig into the uh the shower now I know it's a movie but that's an amazing amount of pinpoint accuracy that they
37:4337 minutes, 43 secondswere able to go through the proper sewer to the actual shower stall imagine if they got the wrong shower stall this is what they do they're
37:5137 minutes, 51 secondsprofessionals I guess all they do is liberate people I think I'm just stupid I think at the end of I'm just dumb like if I was a part of the French Resistance
37:5937 minutes, 59 secondslike hey Ryan we need your uh Ryan we need your help we need you to get us out of the showers I like uh like I wouldn't
38:0738 minutes, 7 secondseven how would I even know which sewer system connected to that shower stall and like I said how do they know which ones they were in I'm sure he got Maps
38:1538 minutes, 15 secondsno sewage Maps sewage system Maps okay if I gave you 24 hours would you be able to find a sewage the sewage line from
38:2338 minutes, 23 secondsWalmart to the coliseum in your local town definitely not that's what I mean I'm
38:3038 minutes, 30 secondsnot a resistance fighter okay all right fair enough I know it's just a movie but I always love that pinpoint accuracy that they were able to and and they were
38:3838 minutes, 38 secondsable to at the right time break through the uh the floor of the shower right during halftime this is amazing how cool did that look though when they broke
38:4638 minutes, 46 secondsthrough the floor and all the water like came rushing down it's a great practical effect I agree and the guy came out underneath that water with the ladder that's a real water flow coming on that
38:5538 minutes, 55 secondspoor guy let's go back to a slid Escape so he escapes oh shoot I wanted to mention being in the military I always find it funny in movies when they count
39:0339 minutes, 3 secondslike we're talking about the count the guards WR you know they're pacing 10 feet they're turning around I've done sentury Duty in my military career I
39:1139 minutes, 11 secondsnever do the same thing twice I might stand for 10 seconds here move around there in fact that is actually a better
39:1839 minutes, 18 secondsway to be a century it's interesting how movies the guards are always robotic they're doing the same pacing there's
39:2539 minutes, 25 secondsonly one military post where the pacing is exactly the same and that's the too many unknown soldier yeah good point
39:3339 minutes, 33 secondsagain it's another clever little thing in the movie where real people in real prison camps or real centes in the real military throughout the world I would assume people are just standing guard
39:4139 minutes, 41 secondsit's boring 80% of Security's presence you're just making yourself visible to the enemy like Hey we're here in fact you would be told don't do the same
39:4939 minutes, 49 secondsthing twice be unpredictable for that very reason M yeah when he does escape the Stallone dummy that the guys that the guys use
39:5839 minutes, 58 secondsI love that I love that sequence it looks just like him yeah so for listeners when Sloan's
40:0540 minutes, 5 secondscharacter escapes they actually put together a mannequin of sorts a piece together a a mannequin that sort of looks like Sly that they would use in the headcount so every morning they do a
40:1440 minutes, 14 secondsheadcount to make sure that no one had escaped like a roster call roll call the enemy guards would count the Allied Forces okay everyone's here and because
40:2240 minutes, 22 secondsit's kind of crowded and everything sly's head the top of his head as a man manin his character would just be counted they wouldn't realize that this
40:3040 minutes, 30 secondswas a fake person to later in the film but it was noted that this mannequin did such a good job impersonating slide that
40:3640 minutes, 36 secondshe actually acted in the rest of the film terrible they found his speech to be a
40:4540 minutes, 45 secondslot less slurry so yeah it's a pretty fun little mannequin and what I actually liked about is when the mannequin was discovered by the enemy forces their
40:5340 minutes, 53 secondsreaction of laughing at their own being in trouble was actually a very real reaction like we're already in prison what are you going to do with us we're
41:0041 minutesprisoners of War why not have a little bit fun and that's very military is that jocularity amongst men to be silly and stupid amongst adversity I really like
41:0841 minutes, 8 secondsthe prison cadry and the um depiction of the people in prison were it was very well done little bit of Hogan Heroes at times but very well done yeah and it
41:1741 minutes, 17 secondsconfused me because this was another part right said oh man these guys are in trouble they're going to get whooped they're going to get beat but nothing
41:2441 minutes, 24 secondshappens they kind of just laugh it off and even when they bring Stallone back officers are treated much differently I think this was an officer pris Camp when
41:3341 minutes, 33 secondsMichael Kane's character asked for non officers to play on his team they came from a different camp and that's why when they came from that different Camp
41:4241 minutes, 42 secondsthey were malnourished there are some good players on here British French Dutch even a
41:5041 minutes, 50 secondsNorwegian what about the poe and the checks I mean off the top of my head I could think of half a dozen East
41:5841 minutes, 58 secondsEuropean players who would have to be on that Squad isn't that so Müller I'm sorry I cannot let you having an Easter
42:0642 minutes, 6 secondsEuropeans why not it's impossible officially they do not exist Germany does not recognize them as prisoners of
42:1342 minutes, 13 secondsWar they're in labor camps well maybe not officially but they do exist as players don't they I don't know whether
42:2242 minutes, 22 secondsthese East European players are alive or dead but you can find that out as An Officer and a Gentleman you are obliged
42:2942 minutes, 29 secondsto give me a marginal chance of winning make your list Captain I'll see what I can do they were
42:3742 minutes, 37 secondspolish and Czech players I didn't know if that was because of the country they were from maybe yeah maybe it's more than just the fact they weren't officers
42:4542 minutes, 45 secondsbut I got the feeling that everyone in this Camp was officers or higher ranking type people that's why they kind of had more Posh
42:5242 minutes, 52 secondsbunks and freedom to move around so even in the military back then you kind of treat officers better than you would us
42:5842 minutes, 58 secondsterrible grunts so to speak okay now the woman what was the female actress's name in the film did anyone catch it the one
43:0743 minutes, 7 secondsfemale yeah in the movie it was cast as introducing her this is she's a French actress this was her first first
43:1543 minutes, 15 secondsAmerican type film or first American released film she went on to do quite a bit of stuff and I will say she's extremely attractive but you know who
43:2343 minutes, 23 secondsshe look like she looks like a French Adrian H she but she looks like a doppelganger if Adrian was like really
43:3143 minutes, 31 secondshot and French it just the same dark complexion dark hair when Sly go his character goes to the resistance meeting
43:3843 minutes, 38 secondsplace of course the one place he meets at is the residence of a widow and her son and of course we know right away we got this handsome 35-year-old with this
43:4643 minutes, 46 secondspretty single widowed lady we don't see any real connection because he's only there maybe 24 hours maybe I guess they
43:5343 minutes, 53 secondsform a very quick emotional connection and when he leaves to go oh yeah we should say he has to go back to prison
44:0144 minutes, 1 secondthe reason why his character has to go back to prison and get caught again is because he needs to give the information to the soccer team hey guess what the
44:0944 minutes, 9 secondsFrench Resistance has agreed to uh get you guys have you guys Escape at halftime at the soccer game and down the
44:1644 minutes, 16 secondssewer here we discover a foundation pile of the stadium sounds good to me but we must make sure which one it is we have
44:2544 minutes, 25 secondsto find the original plan we think the best chance to escape will be from the visitors theing rooms yeah
44:3444 minutes, 34 secondsmaybe they'll be left alone at halftime maybe but we can run into a concrete World anything can happen you will have to go back what to the camp to tell them
44:4344 minutes, 43 secondsthe team they must know that we'll be there it took me a year to get out of there we need a contact Colby must know
44:5144 minutes, 51 secondsand also your Colonel that's not my problem you believe that look I don't know what to believe the only way they would have known about
44:5944 minutes, 59 secondsthat had size character go back and tell them so he had to sacrifice his freedom to tell the rest of the team that you're going to get released through this
45:0845 minutes, 8 secondsFrench Resistance and it also looks like she's French Canadian Ryan yeah oh okay and her imtv picture does look a little
45:1545 minutes, 15 secondsAdrian is it does does Carol Lor yeah so she was very uh very cool I liked her screen presents I wish we kind
45:2345 minutes, 23 secondsof had more of her what I found interesting is when he Departed to go back to C to get caught again to go back to Camp he gave a really weird like
45:3145 minutes, 31 secondsaggressive kiss it was kind of a weird did you catch that kiss hug that he did the kiss hug did you catch it am I just
45:3845 minutes, 38 secondsgoing because there was no indication that they were romantic with each other but imagine knowing somebody only for 24 hours and but maybe there was an uncut
45:4745 minutes, 47 secondsscene or a deleted scene where they flirted more but they were pretty cordial with each other very platonic with each other really but he gave her
45:5445 minutes, 54 secondskind of like a snuck in a kiss on her that was a good scene too the one in the in the little cafe or whatever where you
46:0246 minutes, 2 secondsknow she was sort of giving her perspective where she's like I don't want to know your name oh yes because ultimately if I hear your name as somebody who was caught and killed
46:1046 minutes, 10 secondsthat'll weigh on me and it has weighed on me in the past with other people I knew thanks no M see look lady I just
46:1946 minutes, 19 secondssaid thanks no offense we are both on the same side aren't we geez well I just wanted to talk it's been a long time since I I talk to a
46:2746 minutes, 27 secondswoman do you understand what I'm saying par Vu English I understand you very well good then why don't you sit down
46:3546 minutes, 35 secondsand we'll talk hatch my friends call me hatch no you don't want to be my friend I didn't want to hear your name and now
46:4346 minutes, 43 secondsthat I do I don't want to hear anything else about you the less I know the better it is for you and for you and for me
46:5046 minutes, 50 secondstoo my being here is put you and your friends in a tough spot is that why you're mad I'm not mad but being in a tough spot as you call it
46:5946 minutes, 59 secondsis where I choose to be how do you feel about me being here how do I feel mhm I feel responsible
47:0847 minutes, 8 secondshopeful when I get word that someone I sheltered is safe then I'm happy I can't forget them but when I hear that they've been
47:1547 minutes, 15 secondscut or killed then I remember everything I remember their face their
47:2347 minutes, 23 secondsvoices what they said about their parents their child they pets and I mourn for
47:3047 minutes, 30 secondsthem I don't want to mourn for you well you're safe with me Rene
47:3747 minutes, 37 secondshow well I'm uh an orphan a bastard I have no parents no money I'm not married
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondsno children I don't even have a pet and anything I might say in my sleep to the contrary can't be held against me I I thought that was I mean it was really
47:5347 minutes, 53 secondsprobably like one of the only moments of genuine acting from fly in the movie I mean yeah I like his French too knowing
48:0148 minutes, 1 seconda little bit of French just being Canadian stuff it was like there's no way this guy well granted if he's worked with the Canadian military I should say that's a good ah there's another good
48:0948 minutes, 9 secondspoll there you go because of his time with the Canadian military he's maybe worked with French officers and French military so he knows a little bit of French so that's legit so they really
48:1748 minutes, 17 secondsmade sure that we knew that he was working with the Canadian military to make his character legit we should say this movie was sort of based on a true
48:2648 minutes, 26 secondsstory you guys catch that yeah but didn't they also say that the true story has since been debunked well not the whole the idea
48:3348 minutes, 33 secondsthat it was a death match I guess but there was some there's some idea that there was a there was a but not just one match many
48:4048 minutes, 40 secondsmatches was like a whole season Seasons worth of games and the Germans always lost too I think did they I think so I'm
48:4948 minutes, 49 secondssure you guys got the vibe too that this was like a World War II version of The Longest Yard yeah oh absolutely yeah
48:5748 minutes, 57 secondsgood point yeah yeah slide did the same thing again with lockup with the football game you know
49:0449 minutes, 4 secondshe likes these prison Sports movies so Colby Michael Kane's character kept
49:1049 minutes, 10 secondsrebuffing hatch SI character for joining the team as a trainer or anything right and that was the initial attraction was
49:1949 minutes, 19 secondsS I can't play soccer I know I can't play but I want to get these three squares a day so I want to be your trainer I want to take care of the medical stuff and all that good stuff I
49:2749 minutes, 27 secondsknow medical stuff Michael Kane's Char character kept rebuffing Sly what do you think you're doing I
49:3449 minutes, 34 secondsdecided to join the team ohuh tell me everything well being on this team is a one way to take it out of here right
49:4249 minutes, 42 secondsyou're not on this team oh yeah sure I am I'm the trainer the what the trainer Colby you forgot to put in for a trainer
49:4949 minutes, 49 secondsnow maybe I can't play your kind of football right but in my kind you know everything there is to know about bruises sprains and Charlie Horses so if you just get on to your van Steiner to
49:5849 minutes, 58 secondsget me some uh bandages some linament some oil some tapes we're in business I don't want to trainer Corby I'm a ball
50:0750 minutes, 7 secondsplayer I don't want to be left out of something like this I just want to be around the guys [ __ ] don't do this to me I don't need a con man listen
50:1650 minutes, 16 secondsCorby you and your team wrecked my Escape how I was ready I was waiting for my papers I was going through the washut but only if those two goons were on duty
50:2550 minutes, 25 secondsnow those two goons have been trans transferred to you so the only way out of here is by being on that team no why not I won't be responsible for your
50:3350 minutes, 33 secondsdeath you get yourself shot that's my choice isn't it so what is it yes or no but then all of a sudden we see that
50:4150 minutes, 41 secondshe's on the team but we missed how did Michael kan's character agree to let him play or be a part of the team it was never shown or expressed how he became a
50:4950 minutes, 49 secondsmember of the team it was the it was the the TR the trainer Spiel he gave him he's like you guys are gonna get bumped and bruised
50:5750 minutes, 57 secondsand I'll tape you and yeah he said that but Michael Kane still rebuffed him after that I could be wrong because I was
51:0651 minutes, 6 secondslooking for where okay you can do that that works just stay out of my way it's almost like he just did it I I
51:1351 minutes, 13 secondsthink we're led to believe he just kept doing it he just because we see when Kane's character is giving them the coaching tips and get them their
51:2151 minutes, 21 secondsuniforms s character kept being like a busy body kept talking kept basic inserting himself literally and figuratively into this team of like yeah
51:2951 minutes, 29 secondsI'm here to train yeah yeah here's your uniforms yeah do this do that make sure you do this and Michael Kar kept looking at him saying they're in all different
51:3751 minutes, 37 secondssizes so make sure everything fits everything fits and I want you all to know that if you're having any trouble with say appendicitis or heart attack
51:4551 minutes, 45 secondsthat's okay no problem I can handle that but listen I don't want any blisters no blisters allowed so if there's anything
51:5451 minutes, 54 secondswrong with any of you guys tell me now later okay little inconveniences say like anal bleeding tuberculosis growing
52:0252 minutes, 2 secondstumors little inconveniences like that all right got up P come on I'm just trying to get some team spirit going here right
52:0952 minutes, 9 secondsguys make sure everything's fits yeah everything fits everything fits I'll keep this myself when all the players were getting
52:1852 minutes, 18 secondstrucked in it was Michael Kane and and um hatch there greeting them and he kept saying know I'm I'm hatch the trainer
52:2552 minutes, 25 secondshatch the trainer
52:2752 minutes, 27 seconds[Music]
52:2952 minutes, 29 secondsTony nice to see you great to see you how are you hello the trainer yeah what's going on I'll tell
52:3752 minutes, 37 secondsyou in a minute's sure hell hat the trainer welcome to my holiday Camp hello how are
52:4552 minutes, 45 secondsyou hello Eric B right yes hat the trainer how are
52:5452 minutes, 54 secondsyou that's the trainer yeah so I think a little bit of Comedy I think that's where we're led to believe that Kane's character never agreed
53:0353 minutes, 3 secondsofficially he just gave up I think that's what happened but I was wonder if I missed anything War down yeah like like a whiny child he just warmed down
53:1153 minutes, 11 secondsyeah size character goes to the French Resistance finds out the escape plan for the soccer team he we don't see it's kind of a Miss opportunity the film's
53:2053 minutes, 20 secondsalready kind of long it's nearing the two-hour Mark when the film ends but we don't see how size character gets caught I think that would have been a fun little sequence to see what did he do to
53:2753 minutes, 27 secondsget caught again and even yeah Wikipedia didn't even say how he got caught and Si character actually brought up a really
53:3553 minutes, 35 secondsgood point of this French Resistance he said and I thought it before he said it he goes well how do I know they're going to send me back to the same camp I'm just going to be a prisoner of war we
53:4353 minutes, 43 secondsneed a contact kby must know and also your coroner that's not my problem you believe that look I don't know what to
53:5153 minutes, 51 secondsbelieve I don't I mean what what am I supposed to do break back into the camp no you get captured get captured all
53:5953 minutes, 59 secondsright suppose I get captured and then they send me to the wrong prisoner Camp what what about that no no no no what about that the Germans will take you to the
54:0754 minutes, 7 secondssame place again to show the other prisoners that you are not a success got all the answers don't you yes Mister you
54:1554 minutes, 15 secondswill leave tomorrow tomorrow yes tomorrow this freaking soccer game this was a great kind of talk into the audience but it actually brought up the
54:2454 minutes, 24 secondspoint that I had in my own brain watching it and there was response was no they want to bring you back to the same camp to show that escape is futile I'm like oh that's a good point so I
54:3154 minutes, 31 secondsactually like that reasoning that they kind of expose to the audience but then they they had a failed opportunity like what did hatch do hey hey guys I'm here
54:4054 minutes, 40 secondsbecause it wouldn't make sense for him just to to expose himself like here I am show back up because then they'd know
54:4854 minutes, 48 secondsthat something had gone on like exactly why are you willingly so I guess they couldn't maybe think of a re what they could film so oh he's
54:5654 minutes, 56 secondsI don't know unless you know being an escaped P they they sent out it like an APB kind of thing and he could have been just walking down the street and German
55:0555 minutes, 5 secondsofficers being everywhere might have or German soldiers might have spotted him yeah yeah maybe close close circuit camera picked them up yeah
55:1555 minutes, 15 seconds1941 Craig he loves my jokes uh I do like when slide did escape the first time we got to see him shirtless I think
55:2355 minutes, 23 secondsthat might have been in the contract he's like man I got this physique you better get get me shirtless is this probably the like the slimmest he's ever
55:3055 minutes, 30 secondslooked on film he did look lean like really thin yeah I guess he did yeah he was pretty thin you're right but it
55:3755 minutes, 37 secondslooked good on him like I don't oh no I mean yeah I mean he he's always looked good regardless of the shape he's in
55:4555 minutes, 45 secondseven in Copland which we talked about that's what really threw me off about this is you know between filming First
55:5255 minutes, 52 secondsBlood and Rocky 3 and this movie they all had to be within a matter of what a year and a half of each other so I mean
55:5955 minutes, 59 secondsto go through that kind of physical transformation because Rocky 3 was like I think one of the most ripped looks
56:0756 minutes, 7 secondshe's ever had yes like I think his like body fat in Rocky 3 was 1% or something ridiculous 3% yeah he I think it might
56:1556 minutes, 15 secondshave been easier for him to go from this to his Rocky 3 look because all from I mean that's all he had to do but what he
56:2256 minutes, 22 secondshad to do between this and that was put on lean mus the shape that he was in in Rocky 2 to
56:2956 minutes, 29 secondsgo from that to ro to to the shape in Rocky 3 he would had to have lost a lot of size and a lot of body fat to get down
56:3756 minutes, 37 secondsto that you see that here so this is two years after Rocky 2 and he looks much thinner more gun in the face he doesn't have that baby fat in his face at all
56:4556 minutes, 45 secondsanymore it's gone he lost 40 pounds for this roll whoa in First Blood he's built like a normal guy seemingly I mean in
56:5456 minutes, 54 secondsthe jail scene where they're giving him the shower and stuff I mean he's fit but like you don't say oh this is a guy that was bodybuilding right yeah I know
57:0257 minutes, 2 secondsyou're right it's a fascinating time I think Sly from a physical standpoint I almost wonder like if SEO or somebody
57:0857 minutes, 8 secondslike that who's into that scene would probably have a better understanding of what Sly was going through physically
57:1657 minutes, 16 secondsyeah there's a lot of people that could probably expose this better than weekend about his physique oh yeah so
57:2257 minutes, 22 secondssly's character comes back and they now have to convince the Germans the S character gets to go on this trip which
57:3057 minutes, 30 secondsis a hard sell because this guy did just Escape he's in the hole and now Michael Kane's character has got to say hey look we need him as our trainer and Max von
57:3857 minutes, 38 secondsSnow's character is like uhuh that's not going to fly there's got to be a better reason the Michael Kane says well you know he's our catcher he's our goalkeeper and they're like no you have
57:4757 minutes, 47 secondsa goalkeeper they're like no his arm's broken the team will be ready to travel at midday on
57:5457 minutes, 54 secondsThursday further arrangements will be announced later one of my men is in the punishment Block in solitary I can give
58:0158 minutes, 1 secondyou a trainer you don't need him hatch is my goalkeeper the American no Tony Lewis is your goalkeeper he's broken his
58:1058 minutes, 10 secondsarm when did this happen this morning put someone else in Gold hatch is my best man I thought the idea was to give
58:1858 minutes, 18 secondsus a chance this is the idea if the camp doctor verifies this broken arm you may have the American
58:2758 minutes, 27 secondsthank you what a great little moment where Max valinda was like sh's broken arm and he can be uh I was like whoa and
58:3658 minutes, 36 secondsI was like I can't I can't I would have bladed my whole platoon of I'm not breaking my arm for you guys sorry we're
58:4358 minutes, 43 secondsnot I guess we're not escaping prison I would rather have a no one to steeping on my arm so we can get out of prison I don't know what I don't know what would
58:5158 minutes, 51 secondsyou guys have done to yeah no that's I don't know who had a worst the guy about to get his arm broken or Michael Kane like how do you not pull that punch
59:0059 minutesyou're going to step on a guy's arm to snap it I don't know if I could do that I know they didn't show it show it but it put you here put your arms between
59:0759 minutes, 7 secondsthese bed boards and he lifts his foot up well Tony try and make it clean break will you I'll try I won't even get to see the
59:1759 minutes, 17 secondsgame will I sit on your bed put your arm between those two
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59:3359 minutes, 33 secondsI can't I bone breaking in general is not something that I enjoy watching again was a great great acting Michael King was just a real star in this film
59:4159 minutes, 41 secondsand just really great acting when when he's talking to this poor little kid saying You know the way he comforted and was serious with the kid at the same
59:4859 minutes, 48 secondstime was all great stuff by Michael Kane I do want to say with Sly like he did a good job Sly did a good job it wasn't him so much again I think with the
59:5659 minutes, 56 secondsdirecting where I wish they kind of I wish they didn't make him look so silly with his inability to play soccer because when he did sort of was able to
1:00:041 hour, 4 secondsplay it a little bit come crunch time they should have made him just a little bit better of a player well let's skip ahead to the game where we're at the point now where we can probably go to
1:00:121 hour, 12 secondsthe game so they played at this col [ __ ] I think it's called kumes or something or I I don't know how to pronounce it but they actually it was a stadium that
1:00:191 hour, 19 secondsthey fil was filmed in Hungary is where it was filmed so they used the stadium there but let's just talk about the crowd that's real people there's no CGI
1:00:271 hour, 27 secondsin ' 881 how did they get all those people those legit crowds there man they filmed it what in Hungary I think yeah Hungary yeah probably a big football
1:00:361 hour, 36 secondstown or big Soccer Town you tell people hey P You're Gonna See P like oh good selling point yeah hey do you want to
1:00:441 hour, 44 secondswell and Sly was a big star at the time and coming off the Rocky film so you know what that would be hey do you want to be an ex turn in a film and watch a
1:00:511 hour, 51 secondsfilm being shot and make some noise you get to see p and slide on the soccer field I will say the soccer stuff at the
1:00:581 hour, 58 secondsend was some great filming great well there was such a hacky bit of film making at the end of this movie I
1:01:061 hour, 1 minute, 6 secondsenjoyed it look it's the most exciting soccer I've ever watched no but and I know I talked about this when we did the sly cast and okay I don't want to spoil
1:01:151 hour, 1 minute, 15 secondsthe big p kick that's the kind of [ __ ] that we did as kids on the playground you would oh we're gonna show it again in
1:01:221 hour, 1 minute, 22 secondsslow motion four times yeah I expected a lot more of John Houston and I bet it wasn't his decision I'm sure the
1:01:301 hour, 1 minute, 30 secondsproducers were like hey we've got P we've got the super kick how can we not show it 85 different times the opening
1:01:381 hour, 1 minute, 38 secondsceremonies the crowd sequence the players playing on the field just straight up playing soccer and the fact that the Allied Forces went down 4 nothing the way they did all very
1:01:461 hour, 1 minute, 46 secondsrealistic because I was feeling stressed out because I I haven't seen this movie in a long time and I was like I I feel like they did they won something why are
1:01:541 hour, 1 minute, 54 secondsthey they're down for nothing and soccer getting down four nothing is like being down 50 to nothing in football in the third quarter it's a huge mountain decline when they make
1:02:031 hour, 2 minutes, 3 secondstheir comeback I was actually getting that kind of that Rocky cheer like the underdog you know they're coming back the filming of the players because they
1:02:101 hour, 2 minutes, 10 secondsused real players watching them do their soccer skills it's always kind of fun to watch people who are good at their craft doing these soccer plays but yes the P
1:02:181 hour, 2 minutes, 18 secondsgoal that made it 44 when they did that triple take or whatever on on the bicycle kick I was surprised they did we
1:02:261 hour, 2 minutes, 26 secondshad kind of a serious film going here now all sudden it turned to like the Kate kid cran kick at the end type they had to showcase the P kick
1:02:351 hour, 2 minutes, 35 secondswell P really did that though I mean I don't know how effective it was or became I think it was kind of a gimmick but sure it looks good and as a kid I
1:02:441 hour, 2 minutes, 44 secondstried it every kid tried in this like seriously in grade school every kid was trying that bicycle kick because of this movie that movie even this movie kind of
1:02:521 hour, 2 minutes, 52 secondshad its own little the same way the Kate kid had that crank kick everyone was mimicking the crank kick everyone mimicked this bicycle kick I think it's called a bicycle kick is what they call
1:03:001 hour, 3 minutesit mhm halftime comes halftime was when they're supposed to escape the water comes down the bath house there the French Resistance there to free the
1:03:081 hour, 3 minutes, 8 secondsplayers everyone's going down the ladder and then one of the players is hey we're we're only down 4-1 I got a feeling we can win this game hat we still got a
1:03:151 hour, 3 minutes, 15 secondschance chance my ass yeah but hat don't you see something you have no chance don't you understand no chance them in
1:03:231 hour, 3 minutes, 23 secondsthe bloody I can't believe you guys you're of mediac I don't want to go let's go back we can win this who said that I did it's
1:03:311 hour, 3 minutes, 31 secondsnot as though we're being Slaughter Skipper what do you mean we can win you mean wait a minute wait a minute Corby we're losing time you mean you mean you go back and play the second
1:03:391 hour, 3 minutes, 39 secondshalf let's move we only got a few minutes yes but we can win this you can't me in the goal of course we can he's not a bad goalie is he what the hell's the matter with you guys you want
1:03:471 hour, 3 minutes, 47 secondsto go back to prison I'm back we need you that's right you guys do what you want but I'm leav what we're doing is quit I ain't going back to prison you've got to come back if you don't
1:03:571 hour, 3 minutes, 57 secondswe can't go hat if you go we've all got to go with you we can't go back without the goalie please hat that game means a
1:04:041 hour, 4 minutes, 4 secondslot to us you know that we must go back pleas let's go we can win come on come
1:04:111 hour, 4 minutes, 11 secondson H if you run now we lose more than a game please H I was actually a little bit stressed out I'm like look guys it's
1:04:201 hour, 4 minutes, 20 secondsa freaking soccer game the crowd's gonna go home Angry so be it I'm out of here what would you have done in this situation in real life guys what would
1:04:281 hour, 4 minutes, 28 secondsyou have done left I would have been gone it's not even a question who cares who about your pride your freaking
1:04:351 hour, 4 minutes, 35 secondsprisoners of War I know on the movie it's the right decision so to speak but even for me I consider myself kind of a
1:04:421 hour, 4 minutes, 42 secondsmorally okay good person like I'm not look I'm not a saint but I got to admit I'd be like guys I'm sorry I have a family I've got a mother at home that's
1:04:501 hour, 4 minutes, 50 secondsworried about me is anyone going to blame you I'm a prisoner of a German war camp I'm out of here yeah but they went back and played the
1:04:581 hour, 4 minutes, 58 secondsgame and I'm now I'm stressed out because I'm like well guys you're down I was like I hope you guys lose imagine if they lost went back but it was great because the people
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 secondsthat were in the crowd that knew about the plan and even the max van synel character he was a little bit like I wonder if they're going to come back and when they all came back I like their reaction like oh my gosh what what has
1:05:151 hour, 5 minutes, 15 secondshappened that they're back yeah I forgot how it ended do you want to talk about the ending it goes to the the penalty kick right this is the German's big
1:05:231 hour, 5 minutes, 23 secondschance to win right they've already bested hatch in a penalty kick so you're like oh hatch is gonna let this kick go
1:05:321 hour, 5 minutes, 32 secondsby so this is Stone's big moment so we speaking to What doug spoke to earlier so the Allied Forces tied up 44 in fact
1:05:391 hour, 5 minutes, 39 secondsthey even made it 54 but a goal was uh taken back it was for the audience to show that they had won the game but they didn't win the game because the corrupt
1:05:471 hour, 5 minutes, 47 secondsGerman officials took the goal back it was unfair goal they called it even though it was a fair goal so now it's 4-4 now the Germans have a penalty kick
1:05:541 hour, 5 minutes, 54 secondsso this is F moment he didn't get to have the uh quote unquote winning goal but he got to save the goal the weird way this game kind of went the distance
1:06:031 hour, 6 minutes, 3 secondslike nobody won you know but they went the distance so the game ends in a tie soccer can end in a tie they had these
1:06:111 hour, 6 minutes, 11 secondsunbeatable odds because they had corrup you know corrupt German officials they were all these odds you know they had injured players because they were getting injured throughout the game so
1:06:181 hour, 6 minutes, 18 secondsit's kind of like this moral Victory even though it was a tied game this guy does the penalty kick and I'm telling you guys I could have saved that penalty
1:06:271 hour, 6 minutes, 27 secondsit was like the worst penalty kick in history but I love sly's character when he saves it was a softy it was like a
1:06:341 hour, 6 minutes, 34 secondshorrible kick people that could kick a ball on this film I don't know why they didn't kick it like like a real curve to it or something it was one of those
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondskicks where you catch it in the middle of your chest it should have been like a layout one arm like slap the ball the last second you know but see those
1:06:511 hour, 6 minutes, 51 secondssoccer games those replays or those incredible SC so where it's like literally just off finger and it bounces off the crossbar I I know I know that
1:06:591 hour, 6 minutes, 59 secondssounds silly but you know goalies make those type of saves but this was literally o it's right in my chest okay well then it wasn't you barely had to
1:07:051 hour, 7 minutes, 5 secondsmove it literally he he he hit you right anyway so got fell over and made that save the big save is made everyone's
1:07:141 hour, 7 minutes, 14 secondscheering and then we see something that doesn't happen very much in Pro Sports anymore but there used to be a time boy you guys are old you remember the old days of baseball and stuff there that
1:07:221 hour, 7 minutes, 22 secondsthe crowd used to rush the field they don't do it anymore but they're not allowed to a lot harder now this is great and I forgot how they
1:07:311 hour, 7 minutes, 31 secondsescaped but the crowd on this keep in mind this crowd is all Paris so they're all Allied they're all quote unquote good people from the good country when
1:07:391 hour, 7 minutes, 39 secondsthe game was tied and the game was over the crowd rushed what a great sequence too again no CGI these were real people
1:07:461 hour, 7 minutes, 46 secondsrushing these real actors I wonder how many takes that was I don't know probably probably one take a lot to
1:07:531 hour, 7 minutes, 53 secondsreset that just get a shitload of cameras make sure you got all your coverage I wonder if they had to sign a waiver of don't hurt the actors cuz how
1:08:011 hour, 8 minutes, 1 seconddo you control that chaos I mean it was controlled was it just a product of the time of the 80s where no one was a dick you know the wide shots you got the big
1:08:081 hour, 8 minutes, 8 secondscrowd and I'm sure the main act W there yeah nowhere near that and then for the coverage shots you got a much smaller
1:08:151 hour, 8 minutes, 15 secondsgroup of extras but so what happen was the crowd comes out it's a great idea because there's too many people the guards can't shoot every what they do shoot everyone so no shots were fired
1:08:241 hour, 8 minutes, 24 secondsthe the German guards were overwhelmed cuz even they knew like what I going to do open fire on a th000 people 10 there's 50,000 people in the Crowd by
1:08:311 hour, 8 minutes, 31 secondsthe way so if you have 50,000 people it doesn't matter how many machine guns you have you're going to be overpowered eventually you're you're you're not going to be able to draw that weapon
1:08:381 hour, 8 minutes, 38 secondspeople are going to overpower you and take your weapon away so the guards just let them go they ran over them and they crowded around the Allied soccer players
1:08:461 hour, 8 minutes, 46 secondsand they all threw jackets over their soccer uniforms you couldn't pick them out in a crowd and they just ran out the city or ran out the uh the main gate of the stadium and that was the end of the
1:08:551 hour, 8 minutes, 55 secondsmovie what a i quite enjoyed that moment and we should know that the French actress or her character was in the crowd too with her son saying look there's our future husband I think we're
1:09:031 hour, 9 minutes, 3 secondsled to believe they hooked up after the game nowadays you would never end a movie on that though there would be some epilog it would be like another 20
1:09:111 hour, 9 minutes, 11 secondsminutes yeah yeah yeah but I'm glad they ended it that way yeah it was really cool they just we just assumed they got out but for all we know there was like a
1:09:191 hour, 9 minutes, 19 secondsfreaking Sherman tanks lined up at the street they like rolled over everybody who knows it's ambiguous and that were just led to believe yeah they all got
1:09:271 hour, 9 minutes, 27 secondsaway and went their separate I almost think they went their separate ways enough they never spoke to each other again that they all went to their own home countries it was just they never there was no internet back then and they
1:09:351 hour, 9 minutes, 35 secondsjust all went their separate ways that was it there you go Victory escape the Victory V for victory whatever the film's called this was an interesting film
1:09:441 hour, 9 minutes, 44 secondsbecause as I was watching as we as we do for the show I'm watching thinking oh how am I gonna you know make the podcast kind of fun or interesting as we talk
1:09:521 hour, 9 minutes, 52 secondsabout it and some movies kind of just provide our last movie back Trace just provided so much like what is going on so but
1:10:001 hour, 10 minutesthis was a well-crafted sequential nobody acted poorly biggest
1:10:071 hour, 10 minutes, 7 secondscriticism I had wasn't s's acting was just his character portrayal that he was told to do I just wish he wasn't so silly when it came to the soccer game in
1:10:141 hour, 10 minutes, 14 secondsthe camp that he was just he could have been more just serious the way he was all the time I think if his character was always kind of more serious tone I
1:10:231 hour, 10 minutes, 23 secondsfelt there was a weird comic relief with him but because he kept saying three times in the film he kept saying oh this soccer game is ruining everything he said that like three times he it was
1:10:311 hour, 10 minutes, 31 secondsdone in a comedic way this soccer game is wrecking my life it just felt that way and it was said that way he kept trying to escape
1:10:401 hour, 10 minutes, 40 secondsbut this darn soccer game kept pulling it back in I think overall it's a good film on Rotten Tomatoes it has a 67 fresh rate I think it's a fair rating I
1:10:491 hour, 10 minutes, 49 secondshave two different opinions about this because it depends on on what angle you're watching the film from as a
1:10:561 hour, 10 minutes, 56 secondsdramatic piece as like a period piece from World War II I thought it was very well put together it was a good script
1:11:041 hour, 11 minutes, 4 secondsthe acting was Max von sit out and and Michael Kane oh my God they killed it in this movie yeah they were good it was beautifully shot I mentioned in
1:11:121 hour, 11 minutes, 12 secondscinematography before from that aspect I thought it was a great movie but I also I was trying to watch it as like a
1:11:201 hour, 11 minutes, 20 secondssports film and as a sports film my biggest issue was that there was no character development by any of the
1:11:271 hour, 11 minutes, 27 secondsother players on the Alli team I didn't care about anybody on the team except hatch and Colby view it through like
1:11:351 hour, 11 minutes, 35 secondsthis is a sports movie and these are players on a team that we care about you would have to develop a few more characters and give them storylines if
1:11:431 hour, 11 minutes, 43 secondsyou're looking at it from a sports movie perspective they spend too much time on the Escape storyline if you're looking at it from a dramatic film you got
1:11:521 hour, 11 minutes, 52 secondsexactly what you want so I was kind of torn to between which lens I was viewing the film point cuz I look at a movie like lock up which is actually probably
1:12:001 hour, 12 minutesa shorter film than Victory is we got character development with that film with [ __ ] the kid that you know wanted
1:12:071 hour, 12 minutes, 7 secondsto drive a car first base the guy says don't trust anybody Tom seer's character the prison Ward uh John Stamos what's
1:12:161 hour, 12 minutes, 16 secondshis name Amos John Amos the what's his name the the big guy from from The Meat House too yeah frankc oh no that wasn't
1:12:261 hour, 12 minutes, 26 seconds[ __ ] Frank mccraig oh no [ __ ] was the bad guy sorry sorry yeah yeah don't add me people that's his name of the character in the movie all these charact great
1:12:341 hour, 12 minutes, 34 secondslike the fact that we could just pull these characters off there was like seven characters in an hour and 40m minute movie in lock up they all had actual charact there's other ones too
1:12:421 hour, 12 minutes, 42 secondsthe the fat prison guard too like there's all of them had these oh yeah yeah and of course the warden great character development a lock up but one of my favorite slime movies of all time
1:12:511 hour, 12 minutes, 51 secondsquite frankly Great Character and you're right Doug you're absolutely right I never quite caught that that in that in this film a movie that's almost 2 hours long and the movie that they started
1:12:591 hour, 12 minutes, 59 secondswith the soccer right away like we got to the soccer game the idea of the soccer game right away it was authorized right away there was no struggle to get this game done no conflict in getting
1:13:081 hour, 13 minutes, 8 secondsthe game on you know there's very little conflict other than the score yeah we never felt for the other characters's
1:13:151 hour, 13 minutes, 15 secondsFreedom really weird good point just flush out a few more characters and got like a good bones of of a team you know
1:13:221 hour, 13 minutes, 22 secondsyeah that's odd and again the the sly and Von cnow and Michael Kane's characters well done but it's weird that they didn't have it's almost admirable
1:13:311 hour, 13 minutes, 31 secondshow much they didn't develop anyone else but so somehow made the movie work yeah I know even like the British officers like
1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 secondsyou you know almost nothing about them they were the weakest part of the film they were kind of like the bumbling Senate of the characters that were developed like you I wanted more of the
1:13:471 hour, 13 minutes, 47 secondsteam development than the officers all those guys were good for was like some knowing side eye glances and raised
1:13:541 hour, 13 minutes, 54 secondseyebrows and [ __ ] that was about it there was a trade-off there right it was you either get really good actors or
1:14:011 hour, 14 minutes, 1 secondguys that could play soccer you don't want to watch one of those soccer guys attempt to do like try to
1:14:081 hour, 14 minutes, 8 secondsact no you're you're that's very very good point Craig in fact that's why we never we never see Michael Kane up close at all playing soccer I think there was
1:14:171 hour, 14 minutes, 17 secondsa couple moments with the cameras on him in the field and everything was overhead shot so there's times like where is Kane's character like his double was
1:14:241 hour, 14 minutes, 24 secondsjust that much Slimmer and faster than Kane that I lost track of where his character was on the field so you you do have to sacrifice look we got a big
1:14:311 hour, 14 minutes, 31 secondssoccer game to film at the end we had to do a lot of close-up shots they did some great you know other you know fun little movie close-up slow motion you know
1:14:391 hour, 14 minutes, 39 secondsshots and these were the guys that we saw that's what made it work is these are the same faces we saw in the camp are now playing the game closeup so that's the flip side the weakest part of
1:14:481 hour, 14 minutes, 48 secondsthe soccer game was Sly and Kane's characters looked terrible playing soccer for real they just did Even though when when they're not supposed to
1:14:551 hour, 14 minutes, 55 secondslook bad SCE still looked he didn't look like a natural soccer player the way he does as a boxer let's be fair he looks like a cool boxer but he doesn't look
1:15:021 hour, 15 minutes, 2 secondslike a good soccer player even on film flip that side over Craig right during the camp scenes and the acting scenes of the camps yeah Kane and Sly did a great
1:15:101 hour, 15 minutes, 10 secondsjob acting when it came to and the soccer players they were just background no acting just be soccer players in the
1:15:191 hour, 15 minutes, 19 secondsbackground so would you recommend this film to uh Sly fans who maybe haven't seen it who aren't Mind by or spoil uh yeah I would recommend it it's not in
1:15:281 hour, 15 minutes, 28 secondsthe upper echelon I'd say it's a middle tier Sly movie you mentioned lock up I know we have Cliffhanger way up there as
1:15:351 hour, 15 minutes, 35 secondsas a top tier s Sly film Copland this is a middle tier one I would recommend it if you want to complete the sly
1:15:421 hour, 15 minutes, 42 secondscollection you put this you know in the top third of viewing bundle there I mean I would recommend this for somebody
1:15:491 hour, 15 minutes, 49 secondswho's A sly fan but the other interesting thing about this we all love First Blood you have to convince any of us of first blood's merits but you could
1:15:581 hour, 15 minutes, 58 secondsalmost say that Victory is really like the last pure acting movie that Sly did
1:16:061 hour, 16 minutes, 6 secondsuntil probably Copland after this I mean he did First Blood and I mean first blood's an action movie nobody looks at it and says oh
1:16:141 hour, 16 minutes, 14 secondsit's a tour of force acting movie you know I mean Brian Den he's great in that sly's great in that everybody's great in that this movie I think they really sold
1:16:231 hour, 16 minutes, 23 secondsit on this was slly by acting and I think this is the last time that it really
1:16:301 hour, 16 minutes, 30 secondsoccurred overtly at least until Copland and I think the movie's notable for that I think after that point Sly through in
1:16:371 hour, 16 minutes, 37 secondsthe Talon was like f it I'm just gonna focus on what I'm good at at least from a box office standpoint you know what I
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 secondsmean there's that alternate universe where after Victory fly went down and just did a whole bunch of Ensemble roles
1:16:521 hour, 16 minutes, 52 secondsyou know that's CRA it's it is weird Craig you're spot on we should know we just recently a few episodes ago did Nighthawks Nighthawks came out in ' 81
1:17:001 hour, 17 minutesso it did Victory so here's two movies in two years or sorry two movies in one year where Sly is not playing ramble he's not playing Rocky and he's doing a
1:17:071 hour, 17 minutes, 7 secondsreally good job and then Rocky 3 came out right after Victory and that just catapulted him like you are rocky you
1:17:141 hour, 17 minutes, 14 secondsare rocky that same year of 82 yeah first flood comes out you are Rambo then you did ryin stone that bomb we'll get
1:17:221 hour, 17 minutes, 22 secondsto that movie eventually and then then it was like Rocky ramble part two Rocky four again you are rocky you are Rambo he's like okay then he does Cobra so
1:17:301 hour, 17 minutes, 30 secondsit's weird again that one kind of then over the top kind of in then Rambo 3 came out oh you are Rambo and then lockup came
1:17:381 hour, 17 minutes, 38 secondsup we kind of get that weird yeah and then Rocky five came out in 1990 and just oof that just really hurt him
1:17:451 hour, 17 minutes, 45 secondslockups an action movie it was marketed and presented as an action film it wasn't like oh watch Sly act opposite
1:17:531 hour, 17 minutes, 53 secondsFrank McCrae here yeah it was was an action drama yeah for sure I quite enjoyed Victory I was I don't know what I was thinking I thought I was going to
1:18:001 hour, 18 minutesbe more bored than I was but I wasn't I thought it was going to be filmed poorly more than I like oh this is a it's actually a good film I actually have all the films I've seen I think this one
1:18:081 hour, 18 minutes, 8 secondssurprised me the most and the some ways I was bored by that I was like there's nothing really to rip on it was actually look the pacing of it of a two-hour
1:18:161 hour, 18 minutes, 16 secondsmovie it went by at a good Pace we just did back Trace that was a 90-minute movie that draged that felt like it was two half
1:18:251 hour, 18 minutes, 25 secondshours long I actually didn't look at the clock once yeah no it it was a quick movie because I enjoyed Michael Kane I enjoyed Max Vann and then when Stone was
1:18:331 hour, 18 minutes, 33 secondson the screen he was fun to watch in a younger role it was fun to watch him act pre you know first blood so all these things together I was like oh yeah you
1:18:411 hour, 18 minutes, 41 secondsknow this is uh back TR I think I looked at the clock like really there's but it makes for fun recording
1:18:511 hour, 18 minutes, 51 secondsso that's the P so this might be a boring episode for people I don't know it might so let's wrap it up again I am Ryan from going the distance in the Creed series
1:19:001 hour, 19 minutespodcast on this feed and we we appreciate everyone support on this feed and I know a lot of people do like these together episodes they seem to do well
1:19:081 hour, 19 minutes, 8 secondsso we appreciate you guys coming on and take a listen to other stuff if you haven't already slidecast again you know maybe four times a year you'll see a
1:19:151 hour, 19 minutes, 15 secondsslidecast episode pop up in this feed if you want to be a part of the Rocky 4 or Rocky 5 anniversary celebration episodes
1:19:241 hour, 19 minutes, 24 secondsit's not too too late hit us up on Twitter or the Facebook page to find out how to send your thoughts in about the
1:19:301 hour, 19 minutes, 30 secondsmovie I'm accepting email submissions and also MP3 Clips just make sure it's under two minutes go to the Twitter page
1:19:381 hour, 19 minutes, 38 secondsor the Facebook group or the Facebook page for the slidecast and you can find out all the details on how to be a part of that those are exciting episodes and I'm looking forward to it some of my
1:19:461 hour, 19 minutes, 46 secondsfavorite slidecast episodes are the anniversary episodes because there you know you don't have to do a lot of research for it you get to just talk about how great a movie is yeah we'll
1:19:551 hour, 19 minutes, 55 secondsrock you minuted we hope you're enjoying our re-releases of our episodes we don't have many long episodes I'm like bombing
1:20:021 hour, 20 minutes, 2 secondsthe fee with these episodes but they're all like between 15 and 25 minute long maybe you get a half hour episode here and there but they're short they're
1:20:101 hour, 20 minutes, 10 secondseasily digestible so trying to get everybody to catch up trying to get some new listeners we already released two seasons under an old feed since we've
1:20:181 hour, 20 minutes, 18 secondsbeen invited here on the going to distance feed we want to catch everybody up before releasing season 3 so I hope everybody's enjoy Jo Rocky minute and
1:20:261 hour, 20 minutes, 26 secondsyou're listener group plug your listener group it doesn't need any plug holy it's amazing what the hell's going on but we
1:20:341 hour, 20 minutes, 34 secondshave a listeners group on Facebook called Mighty mix yeah I think you're gonna have to sell that eventually don't people like build up groups on Facebook and then sell them that's your
1:20:421 hour, 20 minutes, 42 secondsretirement Doug you're nearing 3,000 aren't you nearing 3,000 on that yeah we're at 23 or 2400 right now I remember
1:20:501 hour, 20 minutes, 50 secondswhen you how long not how long but it took you a slug to get there to 100 yeah it took a while to get going but lately I'm just I'm getting nine 10
1:20:591 hour, 20 minutes, 59 secondsrequests at a clip it's insane that's awesome you can also join the going in the distance Rocky series podcast feed
1:21:071 hour, 21 minutes, 7 secondsuh or S feed uh podcast page on Facebook uh we did have one we had a page like Craig has for S has a page not a group
1:21:161 hour, 21 minutes, 16 secondsuh right now the Going the Distance is a group so that's going distance Rocket series podcast is a group but we had a page up to 6,000 people following it and
1:21:241 hour, 21 minutes, 24 secondsgot taken down by Facebook somebody complained about something I don't know what it was but we got no word of warning from Facebook they said you broke one of our agreements end of story
1:21:331 hour, 21 minutes, 33 secondsdeal with it it was weird so ever since then I've been very careful with the rocky group I don't know what I said or did but uh anyways it's because it's all
1:21:411 hour, 21 minutes, 41 secondsgood for the brand it's all good for the uh for everybody and our YouTube page has broken 2700 subscribers as well so we'd like to thank everyone that comes
1:21:501 hour, 21 minutes, 50 secondspeople keep subbing and hating our stuff so it's good people that want to watch assassins and they're pissed when it's not the movie
1:21:581 hour, 21 minutes, 58 secondsbut they sub people keep subscribing I wanted to watch back Trace how come back Trace isn't streaming here oh I love it meanwhile we got four people watching
1:22:061 hour, 22 minutes, 6 secondsright now well our last live stream though yeah we don't get a lot it's almost at 500 views so we're getting the
1:22:131 hour, 22 minutes, 13 secondsviews on YouTube so we thank those who go on YouTube watch these as well so all right guys that's it talk to you guys
1:22:191 hour, 22 minutes, 19 secondslater okay you guys don't hang u