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what is going on everybody
welcome to thursday night
crossfit talk my name is
scott switch on the
collides dale she is jamie
latimer we got lots to talk
about tonight a lot
happened this week a lot of
personal stuff a lot of
other stuff so before we
get into kind of some
personal stuff I changed
the thumbnail real quick
Within the last hour,
CrossFit has issued a
statement about the waiver
exemption denial for Ellie Turner.
And the statement speaks
specifically to her case.
And what I'm going to do is
I'm just going to go ahead
and share my screen and go
ahead and read it out loud.
And it's been the talk all week.
So before I do that, let's set this up.
All right.
the rule book states that if
you live in another region
and you don't wish to
compete in the region of your citizenship,
but where you live,
you can file for an exemption.
And there are reasons why
that exemption can be granted and reason.
And if it's not in those reasons,
it can be denied.
So I'm going to go ahead and
share my screen here.
It's going to be small
because it's very wide.
But again,
Here is the statement from
CrossFit came again within the last hour.
Santa Cruz, California, February 1st.
CrossFit has issued the
following statement on the
recent competition
exemption decisions ahead
of the 2024 CrossFit Games.
If an athlete resides in a
region outside their
country of citizenship and
they believe they may advance to semis,
they can petition CrossFit
for an exemption to be
placed in a different competition region.
Sorry, my mic is blocking my view.
So I'm going to have to back
up a little bit.
On January 23rd, 2024,
Ellie Turner submitted her
request for a regional exemption.
which was denied due to
being unable to establish
proof of residency
beginning on or before
February 1st of 2021.
The timeline Ellie provided
to the CrossFit Games
states that she arrived in
North America in June of
2021 prior to competing at
the 2021 CrossFit Games.
She then returned to
Australia before arriving
in Canada in December of 2021.
Ellie has sustained
residency in North America
since December 2021.
but does not meet the
required date of residency
on or before February 1st of 2021.
For reference,
and then they point out the
point in the thing in the
rule book that says proof
of sustained residency in a
single country outside the
athlete's country of
citizenship beginning on or
before February 1st, 2021, three years.
They go on to say 30
athletes have submitted
competition exemption
applications ahead of the
February 1st deadline.
We have reviewed 19 of those
applications and notified
those athletes of the
decision of those 19 applications.
Five have been denied.
The final 11 applications
are currently under review
and those athletes will be
notified of approval or
denial on or before
February 28th of 2024.
Exemption requests are filed after,
requests that are filed
after today february 1st
will not be considered in
early march the crossfit
games will publish a list
of all athletes who are
granted exemption along
with their new region so
that is the statement
thoughts miss latimer I wish in this
post of we we received 30
here's the 19 we've set out
these 19 were approved
these five were denied um
and like pretty clear
reasonings why like I think
I mean everyone just keeps
bringing up roman and
catrina as your comparisons
and I think everyone is
pretty much in agreement on
roman like there's really
no question there he really
shouldn't even be brought
into the conversation um
But I mean,
I'd be very curious who the
other four denials were.
And so that maybe we can
have some more talking points there.
Katrin would be my one
question of why when it's
sustained residency and was
there sustained residency
when she was back home for
like all of 2022 training team,
training with Yami over there and Annie.
So that'd be my question.
Like,
did she truly have sustained
residency if she was home
for the better part of a
year in 2022 then I think
that that is not being by
the book and you maybe are
playing favorites a little
bit so here's my argument
to you and we we kind of
stopped our argument before
we went on the air so we
could have it live on the
air and that is that
sustained residency does not state living
there the entire time right
it and the proof that
they're asking for in the
rule book are like utility
bills phone bills stuff I'm
sure nobody has a landline
anymore so that was stupid
but um if she sustained a
residence here in the
united states during that
whole time the rule that
she was training with yami
and an alternate on the
team she only had to be
there 50 of the time
So if she was 50-50 and
sustaining a residence in
the United States,
then I think she meets the requirements.
I don't disagree there.
I feel like if they're going
to take Ellie's stuff and
say she showed residency
and so her residency is from December,
they should probably back
up their decision on Katrin
and show that she had
sustained residency here in the U.S.
Because if
brooks is paying the
mortgage and the utilities
here when she's there then
that is playing favorites
they're just taking her
word for it if she had if
she's paying utility bills
here I totally agree like
yes you can have two houses
and sure but are they going
to back that up probably
not and they're probably
never going to know and
it's going to be assumed
that they play favorites
So I think it's apples to
oranges because Katrin has
lived in the United States
off and on from 2015 till now.
And in addition to that, Ellie,
like we know, like,
Like I know I was following
her story because I
interviewed her at those 21 games.
She came from Australia.
She got stranded here
because of COVID and the
Olympics and couldn't get
back to Australia.
And so she was not a
resident of North America at all.
Now she did come back to
Canada to train with
Michelle Laton and Deca camp and
I don't know why that
wouldn't count as North America.
Or does it,
does it mean because North
America region and the,
so Canada and us are in the same region,
right?
It doesn't matter.
She definitely wasn't here
before February for
whatever they're kind of next year.
She should be fine.
Yeah.
Sarah,
I guess, no,
we don't know if Katrin had to apply,
but again, that just goes back to,
if everyone's having to speculate,
that goes back to playing
these guessing games that
we maybe shouldn't have to do.
Like if they're saying they
already put out 19 state decisions,
put them out there.
Yeah.
I don't think that,
and I agree with clock.
And I'm going to pull that up.
I don't think that CrossFit
is making this easier on themselves.
I think they're using
semantics that can be used as loopholes.
And instead of coming up
with a rule that's just black and white,
you either meet it or you don't.
And this would be a whole lot easier.
But I think that's where the
distrust comes from, right?
Is that there are these
rules that are very
ambiguous that some people
can figure out the loophole
and some can't.
So everybody's like, well,
they're playing favorites with X, Y,
and Z and not with A, B, and C. Yep.
And I think it's just some
people have a better
support system who knows
how to play the game.
Yeah.
Or they're really playing favorites.
Right.
And we won't know because
they're not going to be very clear.
I mean,
I almost feel like three years is like,
I mean, it's too late.
That was what they put in
the real rule book, but I,
I don't know why they're
choosing three years.
I think at the end of the day,
they didn't want,
they didn't want like what
was happening in the mid
teens where people were
moving to get to the easiest region.
Um, and it had, and like,
I was huge CrossFit nut back then.
Like everybody was moving to
get the better,
like Margo Alvarez lover to death.
She competed in three
different regions in like
three straight years.
Yeah.
It was insane back then.
Yeah, I agree.
So through this all,
in this whole week of debate, I mean,
at the end of the day,
the rule as it's written,
Ellie does not meet.
I totally agree with that.
Right.
Now all the noise around it,
like who the hell knows?
Yeah,
I just think the frustration is you
can't be certain on
probably Catherine's role
and really anyone else's.
We don't really know who
else was chosen or denied and why.
And so she's just probably
feeling attacked.
We know Roman got approved.
Yeah, right.
Well,
and I think we know Katrin got approved.
I guess we just don't know.
I mean, she had to have gotten approved.
But Roman going to South
Korea this offseason throws
a big wrinkle in that, too,
because that's where the semifinals are.
If you can travel there,
why do you need a waiver?
Yeah, that's true.
and I understand what he
went through for years and
there could be other issues
associated with that that
we don't know about because
of everything he's gone
through and that's probably
the most complicated
situation and one I don't
even want to guess at why
it's given because we'll
probably never know that yeah
Again, I think Katrin would be fine.
And again, apples and oranges.
She's been here off and on for so long.
It's just showing a
consistent utility bill
through those years.
And where I grew up,
kids did that in high
school sports all the time.
I'm living with my aunt Judy.
Here's my, my phone bill, you know?
Right.
So that's the breaking news.
That's the statement from CrossFit.
I'm glad they cleared that up.
Did they go?
I mean, that's what everyone knew,
that she wasn't here before.
They cleared up her case.
Everything else that we're
doing is speculating on the
decisions of other people.
Her case is she did not meet the rule.
She was denied.
Yeah, I don't I mean,
I don't think people had a
question about that.
I think everyone was on the same page.
She wasn't here before the February.
I think they're just arguing
like other people weren't also.
Right.
And we start comparing
ourselves to others.
That's when we get in
trouble because everybody's
situation is different.
And,
and we don't know the facts behind it
all.
So,
and I'll be honest with you with the
Catherine thing.
I'm betting she wasn't in
Iceland as much as she said
she was back then.
Because the teams do that
and fake it to be a team
anyway back then.
So I'm glad they got rid of
that hundred mile radius
rule and all of that crap.
Yeah.
So wouldn't it be funny that
the reason she got accepted
is because she lied to be
an alternate on the team that year.
And now they don't want to admit that.
Right.
Because that other team got totally hosed.
Well, she didn't compete.
No, she didn't.
I agree.
Yeah, she was.
Yeah.
She just was an alternate.
And Lauren Fisher went ahead and competed.
Right.
But it would be really funny
to say for her to come out going, well,
the reason is I did sustain
residency because I lied in
2022 just so I could be an alternate.
Well, in that year,
Katrin did compete in that semifinal.
yeah I think that's where
people are like I mean she
was there she competed in
that why can't she did then
why can't she now it's the
it's the being able to go
back and forth thing that I
think is I don't know just
a little fuzzy yeah the
inconsistencies get frustrating
Yeah, so that's that.
I think that horse has been
beaten to death this week,
but I did want to bring up
the breaking news so that
everybody knew that
CrossFit had made a
statement and really just
clarified Ellie's situation.
And that we'll get a list at
the end of the month with
everybody who's approved and denied.
That would be great.
I think that would be a step
in the right direction as well.
Yeah.
So we've been binge watching stuff.
Have you found anything new?
No.
Well, I watched Love on the Spectrum.
Have you seen that?
No.
It's just a little eight,
I think it's eight episodes in a season,
two seasons.
People on the autism
spectrum trying to find love.
It was cute.
It was like a little docuseries.
It was cute.
Yeah, my daughter.
My daughter watches it, I think.
And we're back to... Curious
if the others are smaller
athletes who were denied.
Maybe I just don't follow them.
I've only heard Ellie's.
I think what would be great
is if Tia was one of those
and then they announced she was denied.
And then I think if that's announced,
then all this is better.
I agree.
You think that will happen though?
I would assume she's one of
the 11 that were approved or the eight,
whatever.
She competed a Torian two years ago,
right?
Yeah.
So did Catherine.
Like, I don't,
I think they'll both be
given their exemption back
to the U S and it's just
like a long time.
Huh?
She probably can prove
sustained for three years.
Yeah.
so thank you judy she's only
in year eight I'm on year
12. where's your badge did
you post it I haven't
signed up yet then you
don't get a congrats yet
you better sign up make it official
Peter Otero says,
I feel like people miss the
on or before part of the rule.
Katrin has been here for years.
We didn't miss that, Peter.
February.
Yeah, we didn't miss that.
I personally,
it's the consistent residency
since the on or before for me.
I think it just makes a fuzzy...
I don't like how they worded
that and then they can
choose who really was here
for all three years or wasn't.
I think she can prove with
the proof in the rule book
that she had a residence in the U.S.
during that time.
Maybe.
Again,
maybe Brooks was paying for stuff
here and she can't.
She's just giving a pass.
She can pay her own bills.
But did she?
Prove it.
As long as the paper says she did.
Okay.
You're 12, Andrew.
Awesome.
Come on, Judy.
Yeah, Judy.
Get them.
I'll sign up.
Yeah.
Don't even get us started on the East,
West, and the U.S.
Because that's just wild, wild West again.
Yes.
But...
So the one thing I'm watching is Bookie.
Okay.
Sebastian Manuscala.
Oh, yeah.
I like him.
On HBO Max.
This is before legalized gambling,
like right before.
And he's a bookie.
And it kind of like talks about...
It's about his life as a
bookie collecting money from people.
And some of them are famous.
Like he had to collect from Charlie Sheen.
He had to collect from different.
He was a legit bookie.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's fictional.
Okay.
But like Charlie Sheen plays
himself in the show and has to, they have,
they like break into a
rehab facility to collect
money from them.
wow it's really funny yeah
he's funny very satirical
um but very funny and I'm
about I think I'm six
episodes in probably a
couple to go yeah I need
some I need some more
recommendations so if
anyone's got anything good
I should start let me know
before we jump any into any rabbit holes,
Sarah Cooper, um,
is that my cohost was doing
some pullovers this week.
And what had happened was
nobody even knows what happened.
I just,
it's a dumb movement and I
shouldn't even be messing
around with them in my opinion.
I'm totally capable of doing
them and stringing them and
doing plenty of them.
It's just silly, I think.
So anyway,
I felt like my shoulder came out
of socket twice.
And yes, so funny, Scott.
Coach is saying, I agree, they're dumb.
And the reason they're
saying they're dumb is why?
Quit beating around the bush.
Well, I hurt my shoulder.
I said it like, well,
this is funny because I had
my call with Tristan today
and you got my Snapchat of
me in the x-ray room.
You immediately messaged me.
Tristan still hadn't even
seen my Snapchat.
And I was like,
this is like an hour before I call.
I was like, hey, check your Snapchat.
And then he's like, what the heck?
And I was like,
I just didn't want you to
be blindsided when we started talking.
So, yeah, I don't know.
have an mri tomorrow we'll
see I'm I'm hopeful it's
just a strain but who knows
either way it'll be fine
I'm I can I can still do
things okay your doctor said
that he believes let's, let's, you know,
you're in the media.
Now you gotta be honest.
Your doctor said that he
believes that there is a tear.
Yeah.
He didn't seem, he did not seem hopeful.
I, I got the impression that he was like,
I think something might be torn.
Either my rotator cuff or my
X-ray and you're having an
MRI tomorrow and a follow-up next week.
Yes.
this media is honest.
Kenneth,
the original Thursday night show
is all about honesty.
So I asked you, what does that mean?
And you told me that it means nothing.
You're going to compete.
You've hurt your shoulder
before and it doesn't
matter if it's torn.
You're doing the 24 season regardless.
Correct.
Yeah.
And that you hurt your other
shoulder like six years ago
and now it's all evened out
and you're going to even be better.
Right.
I'll be okay.
I just need to know,
like I always put things
off and just try to deal with it.
And this way I feel like if
I know right now I can like
interest in knows we can like kind of,
you know, game plans, um,
And, like, if it is, like, a strain,
I can actually, like, rest it.
I feel like if it's torn,
I just need to stay doing
what I'm doing and, like,
maybe occasionally cherry
pick some things and, like,
work around it.
But I'd like to rest it if I
need to just rest it.
I'd like to keep working and
work around it if it's torn.
So...
Well,
if they keep taking forever to
announce when and where
Legends the games are,
you could probably have surgery, recover,
and train, and still make Legends.
That's just sarcasm.
Yeah.
Well,
you still got to do the whole season.
So that is what's going on with Jamie.
Yeah.
So...
We need you to cross your fingers,
say your prayers.
Yes, guys.
And healing vibes, whatever it is.
Not a year for an injury.
I'm trying to remain optimistic.
Um, Tristan says we shall, and this,
for those of you who don't know,
this is coach Krispy Kreme.
Uh,
we shall adapt and overcome also the
approach to any,
an injury like that for an
athlete like Jamie versus
another athlete is a whole topic.
That's true.
I'm not strong anyway.
So if it affects the lift,
it is what it is.
But you were getting stronger.
Yeah, that's questionable.
And that gap was shrinking.
Oh, my God.
No.
Tristan lost his Krispy Kreme shirt,
for those of you not.
He's kicked out of the club now.
Can you even get another?
I guess there's still Krispy Kreme around,
right?
Because he forgot the P. Clock wants no.
I missed that.
Chrissy Cream, is that a new porn star?
Oh, gosh.
You guys kill me.
Well,
we'll have to find one on eBay or
something.
We got to get you a new one.
How do you lose that?
Well, when it was like from his gym,
right?
Like, like Einhorn cross.
Yeah.
So hopefully they have it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well,
the next thing I wanted to talk about
is not Chrissy cream.
Um,
but I hope wish her well in all her
endeavors.
Um, so TFX happened.
We had Sydney McElishan and William Leahy,
the fourth win.
And I'm not going to get
into a lot of details, but what,
what does it mean for both of them?
I have opinions,
but I want to know if that,
because like Kelly Baker
won last year and then
ended up making the games.
Yeah.
So what does that mean for these two?
Well, I mean,
Well, William's been on everyone's radar,
I feel like,
so I think that's got to give
him a little more confidence.
For Sydney, I mean,
I think she needs more of
these wins in her competitive atmosphere.
Where's she at now?
Proven.
same coach same coke jared
smith moved to proven is
still coaching her but they
both moved to nashville
okay yeah I mean same with
all the wins that we talked
about like doesn't like
when gives somebody
confidence going in and if
if just in your mind you're
a winner like that can be
dangerous well here here
are my initial thoughts
william leahy won a live competition
being judged.
That is huge.
He was so young to the sport
and so oblivious to the
rules that he was breaking all of them.
Right.
And the fact that he got a
win at a legit mid-major
competition with judging is
a huge step forward for him.
Because the dude is fit.
It's just,
can he get through the obstacles
that keep tripping him up?
I think this is a good first step.
For Sydney,
who is a dear friend of the show,
we followed her all last year.
She took fourth on Chop Wood Carry Water,
which had a two-mile run in it.
I think that alone...
a fourth place finish in a
decent competition is a
huge sign for her.
Because everybody knows she can lift.
Everybody knows she can take
care of the heavy stuff,
the power output on machines,
all of that stuff.
The fact that she took
fourth in a row and run
event was impressive.
And it's two miles, not just a 400.
Like, I think that is...
A legit,
a legit confidence builder for her
going into the season.
How did it,
was it 2K row into two mile run?
What was it?
It was 2K row,
250 meter dumbbell farmer carry.
Okay.
Two mile run.
40 pound dumbbells.
So 50 pound dumbbells for women.
I'd be curious what her run
split was or like how far
ahead she was or did she
just hold people off what it was.
I didn't get any TFX coverage,
so I have no idea.
Yeah.
If you've never been,
it's in the middle of nowhere.
I have been.
Yes, we ran through a field, Veronica.
It was interesting.
Interesting.
yeah it's I call it the
three ring circus they have
three pads um that they run
events continuously through
and uh yeah trent tools
yeah footing's not not good
there um tristan said it
was slow they were in the
mud and there was a good spread
So, yeah.
But anyway, those are my thoughts.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I mean, yeah,
they just got to take the win
and just keep trucking.
And she beat Abby Domet.
Yeah.
That's huge.
Who 15 points beat her by 15 ish,
a little bit more.
So that's,
that's huge for her because
that's a games athlete.
That's where she wants to be.
I think that was, was awesome for her.
Yeah.
I,
I don't want to make it
sound like I don't like TFX.
I think it's a really cool
competition for what it is.
And,
and it is a mid-major and embraces it.
And it's, it's got fun events, man.
But to get out there every day,
we covered it two years ago.
It just was a lot.
And that like out by it,
there was only one hotel at the time.
So it just made it horrible.
Yeah.
We did it in 21 and it was,
It was rough and cold.
I did it 22.
You'd have to come on
Tristan and give us the, cause we didn't,
I didn't see any coverage.
So I honestly don't have a
whole lot of opinions on it.
I don't know what happened.
I got a little,
some stories here and there, but I've,
I didn't know the events to tell you.
I've heard some complaints, but I don't,
uh,
I didn't pay that much attention,
I'll be honest,
with everything going on this week.
Yeah.
So next topic,
Hiller gets pulled from the open.
Yeah.
For PED use.
Thoughts on that?
I know you were a strong
advocate against PED use.
He admitted it several times on air.
Yeah.
I think it's a huge slippery
slope to just...
I mean, I guess he openly admitted it.
So that's different than like people, like,
I mean, I suppose if you accuse people,
like they can randomly drug test,
but I just, I think,
I think the problem is
going to be if he's able to
procure a negative test and
then it just shows that probably it's,
it's rampant.
Well, he said it would take.
It would,
it would take like 14 days for
him to get a negative test.
So if I'm CrossFit, I test him like now,
right now, I totally agree.
Just test.
They should not just
arbitrarily remove him.
They need to follow their
protocol and test them and
they should test them.
Can money for the PR?
Yeah.
Because it will get views
because of Hiller.
Right.
If they test me, nobody gives a shit.
Right?
Yeah.
Well, maybe a few people,
but... But I like that
Hiller came out and said
they did what they should have done.
This is what he was testing
them on to see if they would pull him.
And they ended up doing that.
So...
Maybe he won't push the appeal.
He's got what,
four other profiles in there?
Who knows?
That is a very good point.
They're following the water rules.
Admissions are sanctionable
without any positive test results.
I think it's a good rule.
So...
And thank you, Kenneth.
I'm glad someone gives two shits.
Tickets were on sale this
week for the CrossFit Games.
Super early,
so you don't even know who's
going to be there this year.
And they're sold out.
Already sold out.
And a whole group of us have
no idea when or where we're
even competing.
How do we make decisions?
Right.
Yes, they should refund his open fee.
That's ridiculous.
I mean,
I don't know why you don't just let
him compete with like an ass.
Do they care about the open?
Really?
Or they just care about advancing?
Like, let him compete.
Make us have a score with an
asterisk or whatever.
So you're going to let Anna
Frackow compete with an asterisk?
Sure.
Put your score in.
People might want to see
where they stack up against these people.
I disagree.
It's a rule.
You're out.
They can't compete at the CrossFit Games.
A CrossFit sanctioned event.
That's what the drug policy covers.
All CrossFit sanctioned events.
All of the season is CrossFit sanctioned.
Yeah.
I'm going Sizzler.
Coach Krispy Kreme with,
if we can compete with an asterisk,
I'm going Sizzler.
So, yeah.
In all the sports I follow,
you pot for drugs, you're out.
No asterisk.
Yeah.
I feel like the open is a
little bit different than other.
I just do.
Like, I don't know.
It's still as, as a schlep athlete,
I still don't want to
compete against drug juiced up guys.
But are you?
Oh, I'm sure.
Well, I mean,
but are you if it's like an
asterisk of some sort or
they're not like they're not.
Listen,
if he wants to do the workouts and
post a score on his YouTube,
it'll get more views than
if we go look at the leaderboard.
He can still do that.
It's all public.
He can do the workouts.
He doesn't need to be on the leaderboard.
It's 20 bucks for CrossFit.
we'll be okay without 20 bucks.
I don't know anything about
the medical use exemptions, Andrew.
We talked to Tony Tursky
about it in TRT with the Masters athletes,
and there are rules in
place of what your testosterone can be.
It can't go over a certain level.
It's a bunch of stuff.
but I am not an expert in
that and don't want to say
anything that would be, uh, wrong.
Yeah.
But I am sure there are
several masters athletes
taking their tea to the,
to the line of whatever
it's supposed to be.
So we had Boz on this week.
You did.
Got some answers from him.
Yeah.
I just put a reel out where
I asked him about the
balance between moving the
sport forward and everybody
wanting to hold on to the past.
And his answer was so eloquent.
It was just like,
I think a lot of us have
the problem where we
romanticize the past to a
point where it's not what
really happened.
And those of us who went
through it remember the,
the stuff they went through.
Yeah.
So I just thought that was cool.
Yeah.
I thought he did good on
speaking on like several fronts of that.
And like,
getting stuck in a routine
or like once you know
Madison and this is how you
run things like change is hard,
but like you, you know,
the best growth is made out of change.
So maybe we'll find
something great out of the move to,
to Dickies.
Like, you know, I mean,
we like to complain, but he's right.
You get stuck in a rut or
you just do things.
Cause that's the way it's been done.
It might not be the best way to do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
uh, like no layouts in the open this year.
I, I mean,
I think that's the way to do it.
Like it's hard on the gyms
to set up floors and stuff like just,
they just said like safety guidelines,
like don't put the walk rig under the,
yeah, perfect.
Like, yeah.
Like if there's a rower and a pull up bar,
maybe six feet just to make
sure people don't kill
themselves or let a bar
roll under them while
they're on the pull up bar.
Yeah.
Things like that.
but no like big time layouts
like in the past.
Which leads me to believe
there's no lunging or shuttling.
Well, I think you can have shuttling.
We did that before layouts.
We did handstand walks.
We did bear crawls.
We did lunges.
It's just like a tape line
at the end and beginning
instead of like a whole box
measured out six feet from
the edge line to this.
You know what I mean?
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I asked him about the
masters and why in the age group,
why we don't have dates and times.
And he said, trying to find the right fit.
So everybody has a great
experience and they're
struggling with that.
And I asked him,
do you have systems in
place that this will not
happen again after what
you've learned this year?
And he said, yes.
Well, I would assume that,
Like, with Dickies, they got, what,
a two-year, at least?
I don't know.
I mean,
I assume whatever they finally lock
in for Masters,
they're going to lock in for two years.
Or if they don't get what they want,
if they have to end up
settling on something soon,
they're probably going to
continue to push whatever
they want and continue to
work on it for the next
several months until they
can lock it in for the following year.
I would assume.
I really wish, though, he would have...
been more open with that and
I don't know if it has to
do with whatever city
they're working with has
asked for like no I like I
just wish he would have
been like listen like we're
trying to go over to the
east coast and we're
struggling but like these
are our three options we
hope to have a date have a
place for you within the
next month you know we're
still working on some
things I just just some
like can't they be more
forthcoming they have to know something
You'd have to think they, right.
They have like three they're
working on trying to figure it out.
I would hope they're down to
two or one at this point
and just negotiating details.
But my gosh, like we, I mean,
why can't you put that out
there in Michigan?
Exactly.
We just don't know when.
Well, I think it's pretty clear.
There's is going to be the
exact same weekend.
It's always been.
Like,
that's the thing is I feel like
everyone knows everything
except for the wheel wads set.
Time, place.
Pit, place for sure.
Time, I think,
is pretty certain amongst everybody.
Zero for Masters.
Like, give us something.
Just be like,
it's down to these two cities.
We're still working on it.
I don't know.
I couldn't agree more.
You should have asked that.
I would have.
I think the interesting
thing is consistent
programming this year for the semis.
Yeah.
Even though the facilities
are going to be very
different and I'm going to
be anxious to see how that turns out.
And especially with the
tennis stadium compared to
indoor basketball arenas,
that is a completely different floor.
Well, if they put down the mats,
it all works out to be the same floor.
Different shape, though.
Yeah.
I mean,
do you think they'll take that into
consideration when they're
trying to program things to
make sure it can be as
uniform as possible?
Like, sure,
one might be one might have a
little bit of extra space,
which would suck because then you can't
You can't really compare
times if they aren't the same,
but it's not a global leaderboard,
so it doesn't really matter
if it's hotter outside in
California than the indoor.
It doesn't really matter.
The people there are a redo
of the sled drag debacle.
Different floor material.
Yeah.
Someone on a podcast I was
watching brought up the,
I think it was with
something chase was on and
he'd lost his shit, but like,
can't we do a global
leaderboard in the top 40?
Just go to the games.
There are too many.
You look at these venues.
There's no way you can make
a consistent flooring to compare.
It sucks.
That's what I would like to see.
Or some outdoor.
You know,
Tori and we learned last year
their floor was way faster than the U.S.
floor.
It just... You just have to.
Yep, it sucks.
He also announced the
quarterfinals will be done
in a way where everybody
can kind of put their toe
on the start line and start the event,
but not everybody's going to finish.
Yep.
So we're having all...
all the like gated workouts
or ascending weight or interesting.
And then I asked him about working with,
Dave and Dawn.
Um,
I was really curious about the Dave one
because it's,
it's like he got this gig
and then the guy who had
the gig before shows back up.
How does that work?
And, you know,
he's like him and Dave been
through some shit and that
because of that,
they're very open and
honest with each other and
have a great working
relationship together.
Um,
and he was very complimentary of
working for Dawn.
which was really cool.
My overall impressions,
I'm always impressed with Boz.
That man is so level.
He never gets emotional
about anything you ask him.
It's just straight across the board.
It's just really cool to see
how well he handles himself.
Yeah, I agree.
So then we have,
This week,
something happened where my
worlds collided.
Cause like I'm a huge sports fan.
I watch a lot of sports
stuff and I've been diving
a lot into football because
of the playoffs and my love
for the bears.
And what are they doing with
Justin Fields?
But I'm watching Pat McAfee
and on comes Tom Brady
talking about his merger with noble.
On the Pat McAfee show.
Noble never got that kind of
media coverage ever.
Nope.
So what are your initial
thoughts about Tom Brady
and Noble merging?
I don't know.
I mean,
they seem to be going that route
with into the football space.
So like, isn't the biggest shock.
I not a fan of noble, so it is what it is.
Like they're out of pretty
much out of the crosses space and okay.
Cool.
What I found interesting and
pretty fascinating is Tom
Brady's looking at it as a
way to market his pliability programs.
Hmm.
that it gets him closer to
average Joe American.
Interesting.
So I don't think it's,
it's about the shoes that
he's merging with them for.
It's probably apparel and
it's probably equipment for
his pliability program.
And probably like developing
an app or something like
that to make it more
accessible for everyday people.
So I think it's going to be
a shift in focus for Noble.
Yeah.
And maybe not the shoes that suck anyway.
Yeah.
So I just thought that was interesting.
Yeah.
He'll probably turn the company around.
Um,
the next thing I had was got an email
from CrossFit this week.
Got a lot of them, um,
that they are going to be
reducing the media
footprint at the CrossFit games.
And so
They were warning us that
just because you got media
credentials last year,
doesn't mean you're going
to get them this year.
Right.
Because with it being all indoors,
they don't have this
massive soccer field to
have 100 photographers taking pictures.
Andrew, there is no media pits.
The press release said that.
It is,
we get the front row of the one side
will all be media.
but it's not a place where
you can stand and move.
You know what I mean?
When you're in a row of seats,
you can't move up and down
the floor to get pictures or whatever.
So I want to just put it out there.
One,
I think I don't need to take pictures
at the CrossFit Games.
That's not my, it's not my specialty.
It's not what I do best.
I'd rather have someone do it for me.
Like we did with Jess and Teddy last year.
I'd rather like,
why don't they have a press box?
A brand new facility for
people like me who are just
covering the sport.
And I don't need to be that
close to the action.
I just need to be able to
see what's going on so I
can cover it as an analyst
and a media company.
Yep.
So yeah,
I would think with a brand new arena,
they probably have a press box.
Like why not use that for the press?
And then like the
videographers and
photographers can have that front row.
Doesn't that make sense?
Completely.
You should have asked Bob this.
I'm actually thinking about
putting it in an email and
sending it back to Chris.
I think that's great idea.
Yeah,
because I think there's quite a few
people in that camp that
don't necessarily need the still shots.
That's gonna be I feel like
that's a little bit more of
like your couple photographers, but like,
that'll be more of your
camps that want to have a
media person being able to
get photos or videos of
their athletes on the floor.
That's completely different
than what you do.
I feel like the media and
the photography need to be
like separate somehow.
And even like...
have a press pool of media like that,
like still shots of every,
of every athlete that we
can go grab to do or whatever.
And,
I look at it like when I'm, again,
I've been diving deep in the NFL.
I'm a big Chicago Bears fan.
Their sports writers,
their beat writers are in the press box.
They're writing the story so
that they can do like a
wrap-up show afterwards on their podcast,
just like we would be doing.
They're not taking the pictures, right?
Like the Chicago Tribune has
photographers that don't write.
They just shoot pictures.
So I think that we need to
advance the way we look at
coverage at events like that.
Back in the day,
everybody was doing
everything because that's all we could,
we didn't have anybody else, right?
Yeah.
My first year at the games,
I'm taking the pictures,
I'm taking the video,
I'm doing the podcast,
I'm doing all that myself.
But you got to develop into
an area where that's not
the case anymore.
Mm-hmm.
And then throughout the week
they're on different shows.
They've talked about alternative media to,
to be different and not
just do the same old, same old.
And I think I said it on here,
either on the round table or last week,
watching the behind the scenes,
you see so many cameras,
like so many people in the
underbelly of the,
the arena doing buttery bros doing theirs,
Craig Ritchie doing theirs,
Savan doing his,
and then you have mayhem down there.
You have Lauren Khalil down there.
You have Wikey down there.
You have coffee pods and wads down there.
You have all these people
walking around doing the same damn thing.
So like, so then my, my brain's rolling.
Like, what can we do?
That's different than that.
And I think the mic'd up is
a really cool concept.
I love that coverage, yeah.
You mic up an athlete,
you get kind of the behind
the scenes stuff.
And I know that that comes with...
rebuttal from another side
that thinks that you're not
getting the real person or
it's going to be too much
pressure for the athlete.
They're going to feel forced
to do it to stay competitive.
But I just,
I think like when I watched my
football mic'd ups,
the football player forgets
they're mic'd up at some point.
Yeah.
And it becomes real.
Dallin Pepper said,
why not have still cameras
in the warmup area?
Like nobody manning them,
just still cameras of them
like warming up and chatting.
And that's great B-roll.
Yeah.
You know,
stuff that we don't get to see normally.
And then you look at Rogue.
Like why the hell aren't
other competitions doing
that alternate broadcast
that Rogue did with the
four camera angles and the
alternate broadcast?
Because I would pay for that
every freaking comp.
It was so much better than
the regular one.
Yeah.
I mean,
if you can't get to the camp and
that's your cheaper ticket,
That's, I mean, that's reasonable.
Yeah.
Kendra.
Great point.
Live feed from the warmup
area comes with the premium
game game stream.
Yeah.
Tristan makes a great point.
Michael, Mike McDaniel, the dolphins,
like that guy mic'd up is
pure gold every week.
yeah so then it comes to
like other other events uh
open announcements that's a
way to uh hopefully not
anymore andrew andrew says
can't do that uh then we'd
see ricky get past
something fishy oh I'd love
to see you mic'd up tristan
He'd probably blow out the
mic after a minute.
Open announcements.
This was talked about on, I think,
Coffee Pods and Wads around
the whiteboard.
Like, how can we make them more exciting?
And basically, they all said,
we need to stop having the
friendly competition.
Like,
it should be Roman versus Adler in
the first open announcement.
Let's get it on.
Love it.
Let's settle this once and for all.
And look at the matchups.
Like,
how interesting of a matchup can you
make instead of... And like,
I think it was O'Keefe said,
Dallin and Hopper.
Like, those two talk smack all the time.
Yeah.
And they're just good personalities.
Of course,
like Laura and Tia would be
awesome from just a
competitive standpoint.
But I thought like Ariel and Alex,
when they did that
head-to-head burpee box over event,
like burpee for burpee,
it was almost a virtual tie.
Let's settle this like once and for all.
I like Justin versus Lazar, Ken.
That's a good one.
That's a great one.
That is a good one.
That's a great one.
In a bike race.
Yeah.
Emma Carey versus the wall.
I just think like they need
to be more thoughtful of
instead of it being like two friends,
like what makes the best matchup.
Agreed.
And you got to know the workout.
Like let's get our two
gymnastics athletes
together for a gymnastic
open announcement.
Tristan says,
Burtons versus literally anyone.
Well,
since Waterpalooza called them all
bitches, probably.
He was having some serious
trash talking that weekend.
He was.
He's really become kind of
like one of the biggest
trash talkers in the sport.
Yeah.
But I just think like, I think it was...
I can't remember who said,
it might've been Will
Branstetter said that, you know, the NFL,
it was O'Keefe.
And then Branstetter kind of jumped on it.
O'Keefe said that the NFL
for a couple of years has
been trying to push
alternative media like TikTok and,
and allowing that like on
the field access to them to
be able to do like cool
TikToks to promote the league.
Yeah.
And you have a big, um,
and if like the NFL is the
biggest sport in the world
doing that and yet CrossFit
like restricts that.
Yeah.
Right there.
The NFL is still trying to
grow and they're the
biggest in the world.
CrossFit's rejecting those,
those thoughts and those ideas.
Yeah.
Which is crazy.
It is.
I don't know why they want to.
They're,
they're trying to be so in control
of the narrative, yet.
They're so not like they, you know,
it's so strange.
I don't think we'd turn into WWE.
The NFL has not come close to that.
Um, scripting just for drama.
It's an open announcement.
It's not an official piece of the games.
Like let those stories play
out naturally at the games,
but an open announcement,
you only have three of them.
It's at the very start of the season.
You're just trying to get
people excited and people
to sign up and they're just
add a little drama.
Are they going to actually
do open announcements this year?
Did they say they are?
I do believe they are.
And I do believe they've
talked about locations maybe.
Okay.
But nothing's been announced.
I feel, I mean,
I feel like Savan's just
trying to take that over
with Taylor versus the
world or whoever he's pairing up.
You know,
I actually thought that'd be
something cool we could do
with you if you weren't
hurt all the time.
That'd be fun.
Yeah,
I can try to do some open
announcements for you.
So I thought, you know,
because you have a female perspective.
Sure.
But...
And who knows,
maybe we can get some of the
people who have agreed to
kind of hang out with us
for the season to jump on,
do it from their location
and your location at the same time.
A little friendly.
That would be fun.
So.
Bring it on.
Let's go.
One Rip Mac Snatch, you and Hannah Black.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would not be super fun to watch,
but... Yeah.
Oh, Tristan's going to go against me.
I'd film it.
That'd be fun.
But we could even talk to
Kelly or anybody like that.
Work with Ascend to get some athletes on.
Get them some exposure.
Be a fun time.
Yeah.
I wanted to finish it up
with this question that was on death by.
Okay.
And it is of all the
athletes that didn't make
the games last year.
Who do you think has the
best chance to make the games this year?
Now I'm going to put a
caveat on this because I
want this to be interesting because
I think there are four
obvious choices that I'm
taking out of the,
the picks and that is Tina,
Ricky Saxon and Brooke.
Okay.
Oh, boy.
Tia pregnancy,
the other three because of injury.
I think that they are
obvious choices to make it back.
I want a more deep dive who
you think will make it to
the games this year who did not last.
And do you want me to go
first or do you have
something written down?
I'll let you go first.
Kenneth just took mine.
That's what I was going to say.
on a career.
Yeah.
I think this is the year she
gets over the hump.
Yeah, I do too.
Um, for some reason,
I just have a feeling like
programming wise is gonna
go in her favor.
Um, man.
Yeah, that's, that's a super tough one.
Because I
As much as I would want to
say like Rebecca,
it's so programming
dependent that maybe after
I saw the open workouts and
could maybe have like an
idea of where they're trying to head,
you could say, but that's,
she's too programming dependent,
I feel like to say her.
And then we got a bunch that
are going team.
Yeah.
I just don't know.
Like, I don't know either.
I don't know what Haley
Adams are getting back.
Right.
Like her on the leaderboard.
Like, I don't know.
I would give Rebecca a better shot.
I think Rebecca has a great shot.
What she did at Wadapalooza
with her strength numbers.
She is getting stronger.
she just has to shrink that
gap a little bit.
And then hopefully that
translates to moving
moderate weight faster.
But I think, but I think that that is,
I think she has a great
shot on the men's side.
I think my horse is William Leahy.
Now Hatfield.
I think Hatfield is very much like Colton.
He has home runs and then he has singles.
And until Colton minimized the gap, like,
and even now that he's minimized the gap,
he's a on the cut line.
He's on the cut line athlete
to get to the games.
Man, Tyler Crisfo,
I kind of think he might be done, though.
Or as John Young would put it,
he's on the cliff.
Yeah.
Tetlo?
I'd have to talk to Tetlo.
It's all dependent for me on
how much he can commit.
family is his number one
priority and has always been.
And it all depends on where they're at.
And I know his wife just
opened a tattoo shop.
So how much time does he get
to actually train?
Yeah.
Cause I think that's the
only thing that's ever held Tetlo back.
I'd say it'd be somebody like Hoffer,
Victor Hoffer.
That was one of the picks.
Okay.
The tough thing was they
were all picking their own people.
Oh.
Right.
Yeah.
I think Kotler picked Sarah.
Yeah.
Victor is HWPO.
So O'Keefe picked him.
And Chase Ingram picked Maddie Sturt.
Yeah.
That's a tough region for
her to get out of.
That Australian super team, holy cow.
Is it Emily DeRoy?
Is she the fourth?
Yep, Cara, Emily, and Sean and Newberry.
Yep.
Yeah, that super team.
We were actually,
I was texting the
roundtable crew tonight.
That team is jacked.
And it's going to be interesting.
And then you,
I kind of wish Royce was on the team.
Then you'd have like, like Royce and Cara.
I feel it'd be your two,
like super strong athletes.
Although Emily's super strong,
but I don't know.
I love James.
Like, I just love that dude.
Yeah.
He's a good guy.
I,
I feel like his high-end
CrossFit games appearances
are just kind of over.
I'm sure he'll be... I know.
And with this team behind him,
maybe he will.
I just... I don't know.
I'll be curious what he puts forth.
So, as it stands today,
you have the Australian Super Team.
Mm-hmm.
and you have noah tola
mathilde and uh are they
are they going with that
with kelly baker's teammate
no uh oslo oslo uh shoot
She was on Oslo Blue.
Lena Richter.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
So Lena Richter, Mathilde Garnes,
Noah Olsen, and Tola Maracanão.
And then you have Newberry Khan, Cara,
and Emily DeRoy.
Who do you got right now?
Tola steam.
I think Tola is more well-rounded.
Tola's team.
Like Noah's going to get all
the gymnastic stuff.
I was going to hit all the big weights.
Matilde is very versatile
and really strong for her size.
And Lena has been on a team
that has done so well for so long.
Right.
Like she just knows how to
play the team game.
Yeah.
Ken,
that was where my head went when the
question was announced.
Who made it?
Who isn't going to?
But that just seems mean.
Well, let's do it.
I don't think it's that mean.
But I think they're like, again,
there's so many obvious answers.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, you get your bottom.
Anne Haines isn't coming back.
Right.
Well, that was a
Fill in anyway.
Right.
But of the bigger names...
If Yella doesn't make it back,
I will be very frustrated
with the system.
I wouldn't say him.
I think he's... I don't know.
On the female side,
I think Shelby Neal is going to struggle.
And I only say that from
like watching from a distance,
she's withdrawn from
competitions to take care of herself.
And I think like she got a
lot in a short amount of
time and a lot of attention.
And I think that it's just
going to be a struggle for
her going back next year on
the men's side.
I'll say hot and hot blinded.
I think Will Morad.
Yeah, that's a good one.
And I love Will.
But dude was at the first
regional I ever worked.
And that's a long time ago.
Yeah, I mean,
I kind of thought he was like
retiring anyway.
Will never retires.
And he'll probably still
make it because he's Will Morad.
Right.
Ellie Turner's a great pick.
Yeah.
I think Australia is getting stronger,
but she may luck out
depending on what's determined with Tia.
Agreed.
And with the girls going
team and the underdogs
athlete who is a mother.
She had got the hernia.
So she's been out for a little bit.
Oh, um, Van Zyl.
Van Zyl.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Van Zyl.
Yeah.
So he's out.
Emily DeRoy is on team.
Tia doesn't compete there.
Then you're like Grace Walton,
Maddie Sturt, Ellie.
Probably.
Sarah, if you're Justin picking.
Justin.
Justin.
toddler picking sarah well
she won't be in australia
oh that won't be the yeah
that'll be the she'll be in
europe yep yeah they're
both I feel like those are
both the tough europe's
getting totally screwed
yeah when I said to boss I
hated that 40 60 or 40 80 I
know that's just dumb
Yeah.
I just, Sarah, I just, I,
as much as I want her to make it back,
I think it's over.
I do too.
I hope she proves me wrong,
but I think it's over.
Yeah.
Yep.
So, well,
I think we covered all the topics
for the night.
Yeah.
Kenneth, that's just mean.
Andrew said she should go team.
Not a good idea.
That's really probably where
she should have been focused.
Just to get healthy.
Yep.
Well, with that,
that's a wrap for tonight.
And we'll be back next week.
And we may have... We
probably will have...
a big announcement about the
show and where we may be
appearing live somewhere.
So super stoked for that.
Just started the details today.
Hopefully we'll have a full
announcement for you guys
next week because I want
some input on this announcement.
So make sure you tune back
in to us next Thursday
night for the big
announcement about the show.
And we will see everybody
next time on Thursday night.
CrossFit talk.
I do that slow so I can get
to the end piece and now I'm there.
So bye guys.