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Two friends almost come to blows discussing a different movie each episode.
Grab your popcorn. Turn your phone off. Unless you're listening on your phone, in which case, just put it on silent. It's time for the popcorn punch up. Greetings, popcorn punchers.
Aaron:Welcome to the first episode of Popcorn Punch Up, where me, Aaron, and Daniel Hiya. Discuss all things movie and argument related. We're gonna
Dan:Not necessarily movie. Just anything argument
Aaron:Not necessarily movie. Yeah, more argument related. We are more argument related than we
Dan:Right now, it's anything.
Aaron:Yeah, this is, we're recording this from two separate houses because Daniel will just punch me. I don't know if you called me Daniel either.
Dan:Never before
Aaron:in your life. I've never called Daniel, but I feel like we should bring some class to this before.
Dan:Yeah, can't call me, you normally call me to be there.
Aaron:Exactly. That's not PG or Sage. Yeah. In this podcast, we will be basically arguing over meaningless stuff that no one asked for our opinion or cares about our opinion.
Dan:And we're not gonna be right, it's just our opinion. So if you have a different opinion, that is also your opinion. It doesn't mean you're right, doesn't mean you're wrong. Yeah. It just means it's an opinion.
Aaron:Yeah, you can see how annoyed he's already gonna get about disagreeing with his opinion immediately.
Dan:It doesn't mean you're wrong, but I am right.
Aaron:But he is still right, yeah. Now we did do a test of this podcast before, and we did mention that Daniel Dan, as I'll try and call him from now on, is pretty much gonna win every argument because he's got very strong opinions and I have also strong opinions, but he will eventually just threaten me with violence and then he'll. That's how these are all gonna go.
Dan:Yeah. No, probably. Yeah. I might I might give you one. So,
Aaron:yeah, I appreciate that. This week's argument, oh, are we gonna call them arguments? This week's punch up is This
Dan:week's fiasco, I think is probably
Aaron:gonna a This week's fiasco, it is probably gonna be a fiasco. This week's fiasco is the best trilogy of all time. We are going in
Dan:That's right, we are going hot. Hot.
Aaron:We are going in hot and fast.
Dan:Hot,
Aaron:With the biggest, yeah, and fast. We're just gonna see what happens. So I already know Dan's trilogy because I've met him before and he's literally wearing a t shirt with this trilogy. I can see at least three things in the background to do with this trilogy. So what is your trilogy, Dan?
Dan:My trilogy is the only correct answer. And I think I will have the vast majority of people on my side with this, especially after my arguments and it is the original Star Wars trilogy.
Aaron:Now specifically the originals.
Dan:The originals, yes. One, two, and three are four, five, and six the way you're looking at.
Aaron:Yeah, just to make, just to clear that up for anyone, it's one, two, or three, or five, four, five, six. Yeah, okay, see, all right, my first point, already hard to know which of the movies you're talking about. If someone says the original Star Wars, are they talking about chronological They're not gonna think about the ones that were after the originals. No, but they might think in chronological order, the original Star Wars is one, two and three because they're the original story.
Dan:They were released after the original, the original comes first.
Aaron:Yeah, so all I'm saying is there is more than one trilogy really in Star Wars and you've had to pick one of the trilogies and the trilogies that you've had to pick.
Dan:Well, basically I've got the originals being the best trilogy, the prequels being the second best trilogy and then we ignore the sequels.
Aaron:I wondered where you were going. And my trilogy, now I would like to honorably shout out Lord of the Rings because that probably would be my trilogy of choice top shelf. I'm not much of a Star Wars boy, Lord of the Rings would have been my top, but I thought I'll go for something a little different because I know that that's two classic trilogies. I know the whole point is to work out the best trilogy,
Dan:but I also So you thought I know what,
Aaron:I won't go for what I think is the best trilogy, I'll go for something different. I mean, yeah, because I don't think my heart could handle Lord of the Rings losing to Star Wars. Okay. That's where I'm at, I don't think I could handle that because Lord of the Rings is the best trilogy.
Dan:It's not, it's not, and I'll argue why, but go on.
Aaron:Listen, well, that's not the trilogy I've chosen. The trilogy I've chosen is, it's come at a time where the company was a little bit squandering. There was a lot of bad films and then just this little gem of a film in the middle.
Dan:Okay, unless it's Sony, which have not produced anything decent in the last fifty years.
Aaron:Yeah, it's not Sony. I'm not mental. I'm gonna give you at least a small amount of challenge.
Dan:He's coming out with the Venom trilogy.
Aaron:That would be carnage, let me tell you. I see what you did there. Thank you. No, it is actually the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy. One, two, and Okay,
Dan:okay. Yeah? I'll allow it, I like it, yeah. Yeah. I'll give you Number
Aaron:three came out, I would say a bit of a low point in Marvel, and I think it really revitalized, you know what, Marvel could do something here.
Dan:Yeah, yeah. And there are enough films on their own that they're not like the MCU is obviously all but you can watch them on their own. So I'll give you You can, you can
Aaron:watch one, two and three.
Dan:I'll review that as a trilogy for sure. Yep, I'm happy with Yeah, that's
Aaron:what I thought. Yes. No worries. Yeah, so we've got our two trilogies.
Dan:Wrong, but I like it.
Aaron:Okay, well the fact that you've accepted the answer I think is already a good start Yeah, yeah,
Dan:Let's throw up there. No, have, yeah, good.
Aaron:We have no format for how we're gonna argue. I believe you made some notes on why your trilogy is the best trilogy. Yeah. I made no notes because I believe in my trilogy that I didn't need to make any notes.
Dan:Or did you make notes and now you can't find the notes?
Aaron:Is that actually what happened? Are we gonna tell the or are we gonna just make up some bullshit about your heart? It was one of the two and I tried to squeeze it in, I should have known that you were never gonna let it fly, but I did make some notes, but I'll let you go first if you want to.
Dan:No, yeah, so I think we'll start off and if in some unknown universe that you don't know what Star Wars or Guardians of the Galaxy is, we'll say, we'll explain what the story is roughly.
Aaron:Yeah.
Dan:And then we'll go into why Star Wars is better. Well. So, Star Wars, a hero's journey starts off with a young farmer boy, just looking at some suns on a desert planet, dreaming about war and killing people probably and.
Aaron:As all young boys do.
Dan:As all young boys do. And then some old guy called Ben Kenobi, not to be confused with Obi Wan Kenobi because they're not the same person at all. Basically trains him up, his aunt and uncle die at some point, but that's not really important. Trains him up to be a Jedi then dies, Then Luke goes, well, kill him, I'm going to blow up your death star because that's a reasonable explanation to let someone die and you're going, yeah, I'm going to blow up your home for that. Kill my friend, blow up your home.
Aaron:Then
Dan:stuff happens, few more battles, empire ends up being I don't think this is really a good explanation if you haven't seen the films about what Honestly,
Aaron:that has told no one anything about what happens in these films. I mean, fact you can't even relay the plot.
Dan:I can't, I just know the plot so in and out that I go in-depth with it. I'm gonna be here for a good ten hours explaining the manure of the words and lines of Star Basically it's a, it's just the best. I don't understand how, I'm already arguing why it's the best. It's just such a good thing, It's a feeling, Star Wars is a feeling, it's not even a film. It's just something you get, I love it, I love it.
Dan:Basically it's yeah, Luke Skywalker goes on a hero's journey, you meet a lot of people, lot of people die and it ends up being good versus evil. It's your typical good versus evil.
Aaron:It's your classic boring good versus evil.
Dan:It's your original good versus evil. It's just good.
Aaron:Yeah, it's so good that you can't even explain the plot very well without having ten hours to listen to someone talk about Star Wars. I think the biggest problem with Star Wars is its fans, that's what I've learned along the way. I would probably agree with you, to be fair. That's too much.
Dan:There's a lot
Aaron:of art Guardians of the Galaxy is about a ragtag group of space criminals.
Dan:He's reading this on Wikipedia, fucking hell.
Aaron:I'm not reading it off Wikipedia. I use the word ragtag all the time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a ragtag bunch of space criminals that all come together in order to fight your classic evil villain who's trying to destroy planets.
Aaron:I mean, we have picked
Dan:two
Aaron:space They're very similar.
Dan:Yeah. They're fighting a bad guy that's trying to destroy planets is very,
Aaron:very It's the thing we've gone for. Yeah. No. Which is funny. I didn't even think of that to be fair, but yeah, the first one, they're fighting a bad guy who's trying to destroy planets.
Aaron:And they're fighting a bad guy who's trying to destroy planets. And
Dan:third And is a planet and is a planet. A planet
Aaron:is a planet.
Dan:It's not just a map. Yeah. The first one
Aaron:is a planet that's trying, yeah, good point, good point.
Dan:They build it up, you get a planet attacking planets next time.
Aaron:Yeah, and then in the third one, it's just a scientist who's a bit of a knob head, really.
Dan:Will have a bit of a knob head.
Aaron:I will fight on the guardian's point of
Dan:view that that is one of the worst human beings I've ever experienced in film.
Aaron:Agreed. Agreed.
Dan:What a piece of shit.
Aaron:Yeah. This is well, this was gonna be one of my first points was, Gods of the Galaxy three has such a sad undercurrent tone that gets everyone in the cinema.
Dan:Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. I really wanna go to a film and just feel depressed. That's what I want from the film.
Dan:Would to a film just to go, do you know what, I'm feeling happy today. Do you know what, I feel like crying. Let's go watch Guardians of the Galaxy.
Aaron:You know what, I've had a really good day. I'm gonna go watch this little raccoon being tortured. I'm gonna go watch some horrible animal cruelty. That's really gonna get Yeah. Get in the right frame of mind, yeah.
Aaron:Yeah, that was not my strongest first but my point was, it's got such a range of emotions in the film.
Dan:It's complex, it's complex.
Aaron:Yeah. Star Wars is basic, it's very basic. There's nothing, there's no real threat to Star Wars, don't think.
Dan:There's no real threat apart from the man, the guy that's just destroyed a planet and also can choke you with his mind, but yeah, no, there's no threat. Yeah,
Aaron:I'll choke you with his mind, yeah.
Dan:Because that's
Aaron:not scary,
Dan:that's not scary at all.
Aaron:Wow. Turns me on a little bit, mostly scary.
Dan:No, I mean, yeah, your point is good, I like it.
Aaron:I can't argue too much with Guardians,
Dan:because Guardians is such a good
Aaron:Yes, see it.
Dan:Guardians three, I was specifically, is such a good film. It is so good and the little like details in it of like, just like the character building and it's all very good.
Aaron:Yeah. But and
Dan:it's a very big
Aaron:but. Yeah.
Dan:Guardians of the Galaxy is nothing new. Is, it's a very good film but it is nothing new, it is the generic, really superhero film. Yeah. It went a little bit different, granted it's one of the best MCUs because villain's so complex and it obviously relates to the, but it is basically just heroes and villains. It is just a superhero film.
Aaron:Yeah, yeah.
Dan:Star Wars, the original Star Wars Was the first to do what it did. Is it? Yeah, nothing, there nothing like Star Wars before Star Wars. Star Wars recreated what sci fi was, it is exactly, it is the original trilogy in the sense of sci fi.
Aaron:Yeah.
Dan:And it's also an original story. Guardians has comic books and so much stuff to like look back on. Also the MCU stuff, the rest of it, it can relate to all that. So there's already been something there. Star Wars, there was nothing like it before.
Dan:There was no reason for Star Wars to go bang like it did. Yeah. Other than the fact that it is just a ridiculously good film. Yeah. Whereas Guardians had the buildup, Star Wars didn't had no buildup, it was just Star Wars And from that, it people went batshit in the seventies when that first film came out because it was just so unique and new.
Aaron:Right. It's because there was nothing else to watch. Exactly. So it was Star
Dan:Wars recreated cinema. It was completely blew it out of the water.
Aaron:Yeah. Completely blew it out of was it was quite monumental.
Dan:Yeah. And without Star Wars, you you don't get anything that we have now, really. It eventually would have come. Well I'm talking ILM. ILM was created for Star Wars.
Dan:Yeah. So you probably would have been at a point where we were doing this type of graphic stuff, but ILM is what usually creates the new technology for everything we get.
Aaron:Yeah. Now I'm not saying, I'm not really counting this for guidance of galaxy, but I mean, Marvel comics were around long before Star Wars was.
Dan:Yeah, but they're not.
Aaron:You made the point of it was like the first, and I know it's for cinema specifically, but heroes and villain genre, so I was maybe the first to bring it to the screen really, really well.
Dan:Yeah, but it's still, there was nothing even outside of space. Star Wars created aliens and no one had seen these other planets. Marvel and DC and whatever else is all based on earth, back in Yes, it was. Back in the day especially was because it was all about like the world war, that's why it all came about. Whereas Star Wars made a whole new galaxy, Nowhere near that.
Dan:Not like there there was nothing. The only thing that was came close before Star Wars was Planet of the Eights, which was monumental in itself. Yeah. But that still included our galaxy and it was Earth.
Aaron:Yeah. That is
Dan:true. Spoiler alert.
Aaron:Star
Dan:Wars is not earth, it's a completely different galaxy. There was nothing like Star Wars before this point. Yeah. It was just a whole new experience. Revolutionized the science fiction genre.
Dan:Like, it that's how powerful it was.
Aaron:Yeah. Alright. You know what? I'll give you that. I'll give you you you redesigned the genre.
Aaron:I'll give you that point.
Dan:Completely blew
Aaron:it away. You look like you are absolutely coiled when meant to strike. Mate, I'm so prepared. Don't argue when it comes to Star Wars, you know I'm gonna bit I know, I I know, this is, I was happy to take the loss on this one, but I will try my very best. That's why you knew you couldn't do
Dan:a lot of the rings because you knew it was gonna lose.
Aaron:Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Dan:Yeah, no, mean, it's got such a history And if you're gonna, if we're gonna go on the, not just the fan, like obviously Star Wars has a ridiculous fan base. I would say It does. So much more than Marvel or more than Guardians anyway.
Aaron:More than Guardians, yeah.
Dan:Probably, probably more than Marvel, but like, yeah, there's arguments in this, there's arguments.
Aaron:Yeah, yeah, well they're both owned by Disney now, so it's
Dan:hard to It's all the same, it's all in the same.
Aaron:It's all same, it's all one big partner.
Dan:But I would, I don't, I'm fairly positive in saying nothing has beaten Star Wars. Well, no, there's probably been things that have beaten them, but in the fact that it's a brand new original thing, I don't think anything's been a critically acclaimed as Star Wars. Star Wars had 10 Academy Awards and nine Oscars for the first, I don't know, for the trilogy, for the first three trilogy. That is ridiculous.
Aaron:That is ridiculous, especially for that.
Dan:And that's that's what they got. That wasn't what they were nominated for. That was just what
Aaron:they got. Yeah. That's what that's what they won.
Dan:That's mad. It's it's so critically acclaimed.
Aaron:Yeah.
Dan:And A New Hope, this is a lovely point, made $100,000,000 by the end of the summer. It was released in May at the start of the summer and it made 100,000,000. Now, that doesn't sound a lot nowadays, but this was made in 1971 100,000,000 in 1977 in the space of what is four or five months is ridiculous for one film, a film that had no buildup before it was just an original thing. I don't think there's been anything as impactful and powerful as that.
Aaron:No. Tell you what though, I'll tell you what, what is annoying now, sorry to, I'm just gonna distract you slightly, but I'm just having a quick Google. Most awards won by a single film.
Dan:I reckon lot of
Aaron:the It's the lot of the Rings.
Dan:It will
Aaron:have been, because
Dan:it was.
Aaron:And the largest sweep, and the largest sweep winning awards in every nominated category was also World of
Dan:the Rings.
Aaron:Yeah. I don't see Gods of Galaxy on this list.
Dan:Was Star Wars second though? Nope. What, oh, really?
Aaron:It doesn't say what second.
Dan:Oh, okay.
Aaron:Unfortunately. Okay. It just has, it's just, I've only got the top list. I'm just on Wikipedia.
Dan:Was that, was that for the whole trilogy or is that, is that as the, No,
Aaron:that was just that one, one.
Dan:Return of
Aaron:King one,
Dan:I mean like, there's critically acclaimed in the sense of what Lord of Rings did and was critically acclaimed in the sense of what Star Wars did. Star Wars, so there was a lot more acting in, I'll give Lord of the Rings that there was a lot more like, there's better acting and there's like better performances and but yeah, whereas Star Wars is a film for 12 year olds, it's a kid's film at the end of the day, so it's not gonna be as critically acclaimed as someone like Lord of the Rings.
Aaron:I feel like Star Wars as well is it's more well, you can hear the sound of a lightsaber and you know Yeah, that's- You know exactly.
Dan:Yeah, so like everyone know, there's very few people in the world, even if you go to like the depths of the dungeons of bloody Tanzania, they still know Yoda, like so many people know what a Yoda is. Yes. Whereas if I went to, I don't know, somewhere in Spain and said, do you know who Legolas is?
Aaron:Yeah, they're not gonna know.
Dan:Not everyone knows like
Aaron:Well, not everyone will know.
Dan:A lot of people will know. Oh, is he that guy, is that elf guy?
Aaron:Yeah, that blonde Yodi,
Dan:you're like the little green dude, the little green dude. Yeah. That's Yoda. Yeah. Everyone knows what he is, who he is or Grogu as it is now.
Dan:Yes. With the Mandaloras. I think,
Aaron:I think Guides in the Galaxy is pretty well spread though as well, to be honest.
Dan:It is, don't think. Is, but I wouldn't say it. You ask like a 70 year old lady that knits. Yeah. You're gonna have few that know what
Aaron:rocket is the group's- I don't know, but I think if you asked a 70 year old lady when the third Star Wars came out, I also think that she possibly wouldn't know what Star Wars was. I think you can only ask a 70 year old lady what Star Wars is now because they grew up when Star Wars was in their prime.
Dan:That's fair. Yeah, suppose it's been around longer, so there's been more.
Aaron:Yeah, yeah.
Dan:I'll give you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Aaron:Yeah, yeah. Now my point was, and I, you know what, when I thought- Now you've
Dan:been Googling since I've had my points.
Aaron:Well, yeah, I have a little bit of new point. Yeah, is not a new point. This was one that I did in my notes originally, because I think it's good. And I think you might have a slight problem with it, but I'm not sure.
Dan:Yep.
Aaron:Is that the Guardians of the Galaxy soundtrack. Oh, as you can see now, yeah, oh now. Yeah, I know. Now,
Dan:these are two very different soundtracks.
Aaron:They are. Guardians of the Galaxy
Dan:did not make those soundtracks. So you are not having
Aaron:the No. No, they didn't. Yeah. No, they didn't. They didn't make They it.
Aaron:Songs existed. Yeah. Star Wars has original music in it everybody knows that that
Dan:you you're telling me and I and
Aaron:I know I know for a fact I know for a fact there are Star Wars music that you love because when we played D and D, my friend, we had one of those songs and every time we played
Dan:it, everyone got a little bit of a tingle in the balls, isn't there?
Aaron:Yeah. I mean, I didn't like it because it usually meant as the DM, I was about to die, Absolutely
Dan:were. Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron:Yeah. Yeah. I think no. I think you're right. I'm not claiming that they were an original soundtrack or
Dan:are good and they are picked very well for that film. I'll give you that.
Aaron:They are.
Dan:It is a very good sound. It's a soundtrack that you can just listen to because it is such good songs and they're put into the frames and the scenes so well. They just works brilliantly.
Aaron:Yeah, it does. Yeah. They pick some fantastic songs and
Dan:But they're not made by John Williams. Who is arguably the greatest composer that has ever existed, especially in film, especially in film. So now I think Alan John would disagree.
Aaron:He's a composer. I think he had a hand.
Dan:That one song he did.
Aaron:Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. And I was gonna try and wangle my way because Star Wars has a brilliant opener in the music, the script, like, you know, it's a Star Wars film as soon as Something different and
Dan:brand new, the
Aaron:scroll of Yeah, when I went to go and see episode seven, the new one, when you were sat in the cinema, I think I went for a midnight lunch.
Dan:It goes quiet in there. Goes silent. Let's get comfortable. Here we go.
Aaron:Here we go. It hits you, boom. Yeah. The sound and just the nostalgia and everything. It was a shame the film was a bit shit, but that opening credit was incredible.
Aaron:So openings, I think Star Wars might take, but group dancing around in number two to Mr. Sunshine, Mr. A, Brights, Mr. Brightsides. Yeah,
Dan:yeah, no, it's a great opener.
Aaron:Is a fantastic opener. But
Dan:again, it's the song, the song was already so loved before that. So you put that song in anything, it's gonna make you feel good. It's literally called Mister Feel Good.
Aaron:Yeah. I think it's called Mister Bright Side.
Dan:Mister Bright Side, sorry, yeah, you
Aaron:know. Listen.
Dan:No. Yeah. Yeah. No. Is.
Dan:So another point I have. Hit me. Guardian of the Galaxy. Fantastic films. Three very good films.
Aaron:Yeah, agreed, thank you, I'll win. Yep, all right, well wait for those who are listening.
Dan:Do you think in twenty years time, they made a sequel or a prequel to those films, another trilogy, let's say. Do you think they would again blow the box office off or would you think, ah, that was that film that was like twenty years ago, I'm not really that fuss about it or is it just a remake or Guardians wouldn't have a sequel in twenty years, Guardians would just have a remake in twenty years.
Aaron:Yeah, probably. That was Stay with the same Guardians.
Dan:Twenty years after the first film premiered, Phantom Menace was made. Yeah. And the prequels, there's a lot of controversy to them but I would say nowadays, especially with the prequel generation, which we are in as grown up, the prequels are now considered massive films. The Revenge of the Sith has just come out and made a ridiculous amount of money as a rerelease. Not as not as so there's nothing new to these films.
Dan:They've just released it and it has made so much money in a weekend. Yeah. You're not having a Guardians of the Galaxy film
Aaron:do that. Probably That one
Dan:is making brand new trilogies and people are flocking to them because of the power and the love of the original trilogy. Granted, the prequels have got a few things wrong with them, the sequels, there's a whole new conversation with them.
Aaron:But I'm not bashing the sequels because I like, I do like them.
Dan:Yeah. But there's a lot wrong with that second film. Yeah. But no one would have gone to them in such droves. Like the Phantom Menace, I think, think it broke box offices when it came out, I might be wrong.
Dan:Yeah. It wasn't, it was up there for sure. Yeah. And it wouldn't have happened without the originals. The original trilogy is, was so beloved and it's also why you have so many problems with the Star Wars fan base because those originals were so good and that is like the aim, that's what wanted people wanna see.
Dan:You can't replicate it. People wanna see that again and it's just not possible because it was just lightning in a bottle. It came at the right time with the right people involved, everything was brand new. You're not gonna get that ever again. I don't think there's gonna be ever that perfect sort of synergy to a film, it's never gonna happen because technology is at a point now where it's just gonna keep going.
Dan:So everything's new, but you're never gonna get that drastic change like Star Wars created, especially with like the ILM stuff.
Aaron:Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, but you, the point of you wouldn't have got all the prequels and sequels without any originals, that's, you know, you wouldn't have any of those without the originals because stars don't exist. So they wouldn't have anything to build off.
Dan:No, know what I mean? They, they,
Aaron:they would have
Dan:been as good and they serve.
Aaron:They're facetious. Yeah.
Dan:And also you wouldn't have the CGI that you have now, like the CGI kind of Gollum, who is probably one of the coolest light things to come out of like cinema, cinema, in the way it was done. Doesn't exist without Jar Jar Binks, I know he's prequels but Jar Jar Binks was the first like CGI, like human operated CGI created character ever.
Aaron:Old dots.
Dan:Yeah, the old dots on the, yeah, all that. He was the first to do it. So without Jia Jia, there is no Gollum, is a ridiculous character to also have, which means you also don't have Rocket Raccoon. You also don't have Groot. You also don't have Groot, you know?
Aaron:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, yeah, I get the special effects in Star Wars were
Dan:The fact that they did it again in the prequels though, they did it like, they have the originals and then off flat, they then did the prequels and still revolutionized what cinema is today again. Ridiculous, ridiculous that you can do that twice. George Lucas is a fucking god for
Aaron:what he has done for Yeah, agreed. But I think James Gunn has done some fantastic things in cinema too because he can bring any dead characters and actually make a good film out of them again. I mean, Suicide Squad, Dads of the Galaxy. I'm glad
Dan:Guardian's gonna have Suicide Squad is
Aaron:No, the new Suicide is better than the original,
Dan:but it's not necessarily a great film. It's a, it's an odd, it's an okay film. I can, I can watch it,
Aaron:it's good, it's good? I enjoy it. No, I love it.
Dan:But I'm not, I don't, I don't lose myself with it. It's a good film.
Aaron:I don't lose my, I did go and see it three times in the cinema that new Suicide Squad, that's how much I enjoyed that.
Dan:Thought, I'll happy to That means you have to buy too much money.
Aaron:I got free past the cinema so.
Dan:Oh, that's what I mean, there you go.
Aaron:Well yeah, no, no, I agree, revolutionary. Now. Oh gosh.
Dan:I've still got so many points, you've already sort of taken up one of my points with John Williams, which is
Aaron:Yeah, well, soundtrack, that was, mean, for Guardians of Galaxy, the soundtrack choice was a big deal for that film because I don't think was It was
Dan:so good.
Aaron:Was so There's many films with that many huge licensed songs and used so effectively and so well.
Dan:Would you argue that's just Disney money? Disney could afford to just get everything they want in, so they could just pick what they wanted and just, there you go.
Aaron:They could, that's true, that's true.
Dan:Money into it. Whereas again, Star Wars, no money at all, had no money, no funding. He basically just paid for himself. It went over budget and it was. He
Aaron:did, yeah.
Dan:And it made so much money. It didn't need a Disney input of all that influx of money, it just made It was good. So, another point I have, have two more points, two more points. Okay, okay. And one of them sort of relates with you a little bit.
Dan:So, Guardians is taking a bit of a point from this as well, but not as much. Oh, Not as much. Yeah. So, this was more an argument for Lord of Rings, I'll be honest.
Aaron:You're trying to guess what I, because I had not told you what I did.
Dan:No, you hadn't, no, no. No. It wasn't, I knew this would have come up with other and Guardians sort of brings into this now,
Aaron:Okay, okay.
Dan:So Disney theme parks, Disney World specifically and Disneyland in California.
Aaron:Yeah.
Dan:Disneyland in California has Marvel Land, also has Galaxy's Edge, which is the Star Wars land. Disney World has Galaxy's Edge, not Disney Paris has Marvel, yeah? So they've had to make an area for these films.
Aaron:Yeah.
Dan:Now, the point you don't get is it is a Marvel area, it is a broad stroke of MCU, everything, Iron Man, Spider Man, which is, Guardians are very minimal in that other than
Aaron:They are.
Dan:Over than the Disney World ride, which is a phenomenal ride. Yeah. But it's not a land, it's just the ride. And then the, what the territory that got turned into Guardians ride as well. So they have their own rides, they don't have their own land though.
Dan:Star Wars was, is such a thing, it needs its own land. It's so good, it needs its own land. You can argue Harry Potter and all of is not a trilogy and it's also not better than Star Wars. So we're not gonna do that.
Aaron:So we weren't even bothered.
Dan:We're not even bothering. But Star Wars, it required a land because the fan base, the need for it was there and they knew it was gonna be there, had it. They have two rides, phenomenal rides. Rise of the Resistance blows my balls off every time I go on it, ridiculous ride. Can sit on that ride all day, it's so good and sequel and I don't care and it's good.
Dan:Yeah, So there's nothing else in the world really, other than Disney as a whole really. Disney has that power just create like that obviously the Disneyland, you know, Walt Disney made them like ridiculous, again, ridiculous person for what he did with Disney. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely insane. Whereas yeah, nowadays it's all a bit more commercial and whatever else but Disneyland, Disney World needed a Star Wars.
Dan:And when it opened up the bang that it made, again, the floods of people that went just to go into Star Wars land.
Aaron:I was about to say, I think people are still going now just for the Star Wars land.
Dan:It's so, Disney, it's obviously Hollywood studios at Disney World. Yeah. I would say there's Toy Story bit as well, but I would say Galaxy's Edge is the, that's the area you wanna chill out in. Like you see people just milling around in that area, whereas like the other is like you keep it for rides or whatever else that you wanna be in that area.
Aaron:You never hear anyone say, oh, you've to Disney World, the Guides of the Galaxy bit was amazing.
Dan:Yeah, no, exactly. You
Aaron:never hear anyone say that.
Dan:Even the Marvel, it's good again, it's like, really cool. And it like, you do feel like you've been like the Marvel universe when you're there cause it's just done so well by Disney, but you don't, you won't just explore it. You'd be like, oh, that's cool. That's all that's from that.
Aaron:One's going there feel
Dan:like you're in, you feel like you're in the Star Wars galaxy and you just get that tingle in the back of your head of like, this is ridiculous. What a world to be And that's what Star Wars, again, that's what Star Wars does. It makes it, it just makes you feel so good about
Aaron:yourself. Yeah, think, which brings me to a nice point on why I don't like Star Wars. It's not like Star Wars. Just how, yeah, it's not like I don't like Star Wars, I just, I never really got behind it. I don't know why, don't know why, because it feels like it should be my sort of thing.
Dan:It really should be,
Aaron:I don't understand why you don't, yeah, it's mine. No, I think the idea of the force sometimes puts me off because it's like a mystical, it's not an explained thing. It's just a thing that some people have because they're a Jedi, right? And am I right in thinking that you were born
Dan:with it or not? You have not watched that one. Because it sort
Aaron:of explains why to be fair. Does it A
Dan:little bit. So the force is basically is within all, everyone has, it's within everyone, it's something that just exists, but some people can manipulate it, the force like creates the force like resides in and around everything. And then some people can manipulate it. Basically these are the Jedi or the safe or whatever the force uses. And that's because they have people argue and say that this is not right and whatever else, but it's like your midichlorian count is how well you can survive.
Dan:So Anakin Darth Vader, whatever you wanna call him has the highest midichlorian Spoiler. Because he was the chosen one. Because he was created by the force, which again is a people sort of argue about it but he was created by the force, which is sort of like Jesus story, he didn't have a dad, was created by this other world.
Aaron:By this, yeah.
Dan:Whatever but, so yeah, he's this big powerful thing created by the forest so he can use the forest but you still have to have training to use it. You can still have the forest and be able to do things but just because you can do it, you need practice, you need to be able to be trained to do it. Yeah. So Anakin style They
Aaron:just don't seem to use it very much, you know, just don't They just don't use it that much, do they? Really, like really, if they're in a lightsaber fight, like how many times, like when is the force like, oh, they've used the force to save the day. They've used this mystical power that only some people, it takes years and years and years to train. And when do they use it
Dan:to When swing the lightsabers, they're using the force as well. Like it helps them.
Aaron:Of course they
Dan:are. The boss talks to you and like, it'll, that's why their reactions are so good. So you basically like, you see in the future, like just like a second, you know where to put your lightsaber and stuff, yeah.
Aaron:But if everyone's got that.
Dan:No, doesn't know, that's what I'm saying. Everyone has it, but they can't use it. Have to train. You train yourself to use the force.
Aaron:And my other biggest plot point with the, the Star Wars is obviously in the prequels, Anakin, like all the Jedi are like, this guy's gonna restore balance to good and evil.
Dan:Yeah.
Aaron:And at that point in the story, there is so many good people and so few bad people and not a single person gone. But in order to get this balance, we're gonna have to lose a lot of good people in order to actually
Dan:Come on, like, we have too many good people.
Aaron:We have loads of good people, so how does balance gonna So
Dan:to balance it, we've gotta fuck some shit up.
Aaron:Yeah, is what Alakin's thinking, is thinking the only way to balance it is to kill all the good guys. And not a single Jedi was like, yeah, we don't actually want balance. We want a good, we just want more good than bad.
Dan:Again, I think there's like a few theories on this, it's like, that's one of the theories is like, yeah, there was, he created balance and that's what they should have thought that they should have seen. Yeah. But that's also like from a certain point of view, if you will. Oh. That's a little cheeky Star Wars reference.
Aaron:There's a I just get.
Dan:That's all you get at the moment. There's also the theory that like, because obviously he kills the emperor in the originals, spoiler alert.
Aaron:Yeah,
Dan:yes. And that's then create, the Jedi require balance to use the force properly and the Sith will like manipulate the galaxy. So like, even though there was so many Jedi, just because there were so many of them doesn't mean that the force was like that side. It was being manipulated by the Sith or the emperor of like in the prequels. So because he was like in the Senate and just like figuring, you know, fiddling with the politics and stuff.
Dan:So like, there's a bit where Yoda says the dark side is clouding, the force is clouded by the dark side. It's not like the dark side was so overpowering at that point. It wasn't imbalanced because it was it was pushing it over. So until like the SIF got, basically the good side is balanced. That's what the idea is that if you have all good balanced is the idea.
Dan:But like, again, yeah. And
Aaron:I think
Dan:The good for us, it's also a good thing about Star Wars is that there's so many like you, you're not just spoon fed, oh, this is how you have to think. You can take your version of Star Wars. Everyone has a different version of Star Wars that they take in. So why it causes so many arguments, but like Star Wars gives you enough for you to take whatever message you need in your life to take from Yeah. It's so powerful.
Aaron:Oh, you just love it. It's so good. You're so passionate. You are.
Dan:Final point.
Aaron:Here we go.
Dan:Final point. Yeah. Which is, it's not really an ending point I don't think, but I'm using it, it's fine. Yeah. Nothing and I won't have, can ban stuff into one thing, right?
Dan:That's not for one thing, okay? Right. Star Wars is the only thing at a ridiculously large scale. There might be like small events, but at such a large scale, it's the only thing that has a Star Wars celebration. Star Wars celebration is basically Comic Con.
Dan:Comic Con is a mix of everything, it's everything comics, it's
Aaron:movies. Including Star Wars.
Dan:Including Star Wars. Again, Star Wars has to go into that to make it better. Yeah. Celebration is purely, purely Star Wars. Yeah.
Dan:A little bit of like new things from Lucasfilm if they get bored of it, but it is a celebration of Star Wars. Nothing else that I can think of has such a fan base that they have to every couple of years have a celebration, a comic con specifically for this one thing.
Aaron:Yeah.
Dan:Just hours celebration is, I mean, I went to the one at London, ridiculous time. So good. Yeah. Such a good And
Aaron:I, yeah, can't argue because my only is the Disney expo, which obviously has Star Wars in it also.
Dan:So. And it's not specifically Guardians of the Galaxy?
Aaron:Yeah, yeah.
Dan:It is everything. Unless there's a new Guardians of the Galaxy out, it's probably not even gonna be mentioned. Star Wars celebration, that's always gonna be Star Wars mentioned is gonna be what's new, what have we seen, Yeah. Remembering like our fifty year anniversary or whatever else.
Aaron:There's no calendar day for Gods of the Galaxy, you've got May.
Dan:We've got, yeah, yeah. Thank you, I didn't even have that point down, May.
Aaron:Well, There isn't a Lord of
Dan:the Rings day is there? No, no. There's a Star Wars specific day. In fact, it's not even just a day now, it's a bloody week. You have so
Aaron:many of It is a week. It's turning to like a Star Wars week.
Dan:All that I see is so.
Aaron:Yeah. Yeah. So. It's ridiculous.
Dan:Will, I will, will let you bend over and take all my points and shove it right up and enjoy.
Aaron:I think you can safely say you force pushed a lightsaber up my ass on this one. I don't think I was ever gonna win. No. Against. And I don't think even if there was a film that is better than the Star Wars trilogy, which, you know, I picked Guardians of the Galaxy because I didn't wanna pick a classic film.
Aaron:I picked more of a recent one. I think it's still, I think it stands up.
Dan:It stands up really well. It's such a good film. Is. I would say definitely my favorite from the MCU.
Aaron:Oh yeah. I mean, nearly went Deadpool trilogy. I thought it might have come up, but not Yeah, it's not close, I'm afraid. But yeah, I don't think I was gonna win the trilogy. I just thought I'll pick one that at least
Dan:didn't actually realize. Different, is different really, is it?
Aaron:Didn't realize how many similarities they have really, the great soundtrack in space, hero versus villains, it's all your classics. Yeah. I will, for episode one, I will give the point
Dan:to that. Keep the point, that is a tick for me, tally it up. Yeah, yep.
Aaron:We'll keep score, we'll keep score
Dan:until
Aaron:It's free
Dan:trilogy, so there's three points really. No, no, no, the category.
Aaron:Is the favorite trilogy we're doing it by category not by film
Dan:okay yeah so three nil I'm happy with that yeah
Aaron:no it's nil see we're gonna argue about scores every week now because I'm gonna go. Even if you start winning, I'm gonna
Dan:go, yeah, I've got three extra points in it.
Aaron:If you're gonna get two extra points, I'd write in the beginning.
Dan:Need to get like a whole, like, universe worth like, you know, like a nine film, but then I'm winning with Star Wars anyway, so it don't matter.
Aaron:Exactly. And they'll keep putting out Star Wars stuff. Yeah, exactly. The TV shows from it and everything, they're not that great, but some of them are big problems.
Dan:Well, I mean, there's been a few belters, but. Yeah, yeah.
Aaron:But yes, I think on this first episode, you can take the point. I will take it happily.
Dan:Thank you very much for the win. But I do like the guardians at the point. Yeah, very good. But I mean, yeah, we've said it before, you know, Aaron brought Guardians in, is trying to change it up because he
Aaron:knew it'd be Lord of the Rings.
Dan:Yeah. Lord of the Rings, let's give a quick shout out to the Lord of the Rings.
Aaron:Oh, big shout out. So, so good, such a
Dan:good film. Obviously coming off the books and whatever else. Yeah. And Chase, from what I've, can never get through the Lord of the Rings book, it's just, there's a chapter about a and I can't get past it. It's just too much but I know they changed a few little things from what I know roughly about Lord
Aaron:of the Rings but still so good. So, so good.
Dan:And again, like very unique, like at the time of talking, writing them books, very like brand new and sort of modern thinking, especially.
Aaron:And I think to all of our points that we argued about the soundtrack in Lord of the Rings is cracking, it's got a great Again, so good. Was that George Lucas
Dan:or was that somebody else?
Aaron:I think that was somebody else.
Dan:Let me have a Google. We'll, George, no. What's it called? Lord of the Rings. Yeah.
Dan:Composer.
Aaron:Howard Shaw was the composer for Lord Howard Yeah. Howard Howard Leslie Shaw. Well. Canadian. Of course.
Aaron:There you go. But and also there's obviously Hobbiton in New Zealand where you can go and visit.
Dan:There is a yes, you've got that a little bit.
Aaron:So I would've had quite a good argument there. So I think honorable mention to Lord of Rings because if I was doing it properly, I would've picked Lord of the Rings, but I thought I won't, so.
Dan:It's a very good job and please, if anyone, I mean, brand new episode, there's probably nobody listening to this. But if
Aaron:you would like to leave a comment, and a like, and a like, we like a like. Like and subscribe.
Dan:Drop us your trilogy of choice. Like I said, there's no wrong answers. There's no right answers other than mine. Yeah.
Aaron:Oh, nice. I mean, we could have named so many,
Dan:so many trilogies, so many,
Aaron:Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, we could have, I mean, we could have. Batman trilogy. Batman trilogy, yeah, there's so many we could have picked, so we, you know, we're not saying any of these are bad trilogies, we're just saying they're not as good as two Yeah, there you go, there you go. Well, thank you very much for listening to this first episode, we hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, like, comment, subscribe, share
Dan:it with your mates. If you didn't enjoy it,
Aaron:I don't care. Yeah, and if you didn't enjoy it, I don't care because I enjoyed it. Because I
Dan:enjoyed doing it. It's been something we've been sort of half talking about for a while now.
Aaron:For a while.
Dan:Yeah. And it's just the right time right arguments and the right people, Aaron, with Well It's my last episode.
Aaron:He's changing co op. I'm swapping out. I'm swapping out. To someone who doesn't like Star Wars as much. Yeah.
Aaron:No. Yeah. Yes.
Dan:Less aggressive, less aggressive co host. No, it's something we've been doing and we'll keep drumming them out. If you enjoy them, listen to them. If it's not for you, fair enough. But Yeah.
Dan:We're just doing it for enjoyment purposes. And if you can help us out with likes and subscribes and chats, whatever.
Aaron:Yeah. Oh, he knows all the terms.
Dan:Please do.
Aaron:Thank you very much for listening, and we shall see you all next time. Goodbye.
Dan:See you later.
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Aaron:Thank you very much and goodbye.