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The Kurt Locker is a Kurt Russell rewatch podcast where your hosts watch and discuss every film the actor has starred in starting with his 1966 debut in Disney films all the way to present day.
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Andrew: Hello and welcome to the Kurt Locker, a podcast where we chronologically step through and discuss each film starring Kurt Russell. My name is Andrew Gormley and I'm one of your hosts. I am joined on this episode by my co host. She's here in case we succeed. It's Lindsey Nelsen.
Lindsey: Yes. Hello. Hello everybody. Long time. No podcast
Andrew: Yeah. Well, you know, we had, we talked about it, the, the void, the void one,
Lindsey: void one on tombstone.
Andrew: and dealt a devastating blow to morale and trapped us within,
Lindsey: yeah, we've been lost, lost in the void, wandering for, we don't know for sure how long. It's hard to keep track of time in the void.
Andrew: This, this episode, we, Lindsey and I, we decided we made the executive decision. Let's get, let's get this [00:01:00] train, we got to get the momentum moving first. So it's just going to be Lindsey and I, this episode, Charles one freedom in the, in the void victory.
So we won't have figure it out this episode. It's, it's going to be a little bit more condensed, but I expect to return to form some point in the near future.
Lindsey: Yes. Yes. We get everybody. We still haven't found Whitney, still in the void somewhere. But we're, we're, we're, we're lost in this loss. So, but, but we expect to, you know, both, you know, Charles and Whitney to, you know, reappear eventually. So
Andrew: yeah, I think it'll be great. I think it'll be great. We got a couple of really great movies coming up and many listener emails reflect that as well,
Lindsey: yeah, we're hitting a very hype period for
Andrew: for, yeah, a lot of stuff. So let's get into some of that. We'll do some count contact info at housekeeping, you know, as always, you can [00:02:00] find this in all of our podcasts at 12 and 24.
com. That's the numbers one, two, a N D two, four. com. We have a kick ass merch store, shirts, stickers, coffee mugs, all that good stuff. You can email us curtlockerpod at gmail. com. Like a lot of people did, I, I'm not going to read all of the emails I got today. I'm going to read. One in particular, because it leads into another segment.
But we will, you know, we'll touch that, you know, we'll touch on that when we do. You can hit us up on Twitter at CurtLockerPod. You know, I, I, please, you could do that. I don't know if that's the best way to get in touch with me anymore. Or the show. I don't know who uses Twitter anymore, but,
Lindsey: it's not even Twitter anymore. It's the abandoned wasteland known as X, so
Andrew: I just, I, you know, I saw this meme that was, that was very funny. Are you familiar with the the Drake meme from Hotline Bling? I don't really, I don't know too much about Drake. I don't, I couldn't, you know, I, I believe he may be problematic, but I do enjoy that meme format. Hop, where he's, hey, you know, [00:03:00] he's, he's pushing away.
It says deadnaming trans people, and it's like, true, accurate. And at the bottom panel where he's agreeing, it says deadnaming Twitter. And I was like, yes, I agree with that. It will always be Twitter. I'll never call it
Lindsey: will always be Twitter. And we refuse to bow to Elon Musk's obsession with the letter X. So,
Andrew: I refuse. A better way. To get in touch with us is to join our discord. You could chat in real time. I'm on there all the time,
Lindsey: yep. Even when we're lost in the void, we can still access Discord.
Andrew: Turns out Charles was right. Discord access is available in the void. It's great.
Lindsey: true.
Andrew: You can go to 12 and 24. com slash discord.
It's great. We have an awesome little community on there. Finally, if you want to support us with just a moment of your time, please share the show with your friends. You could rate and review us on Apple podcasts and Spotify brings more folks into the fray. We have a new review. This one had to have come in after we recorded [00:04:00] Tombstone, but before we published it. So there was this brief window because I always check before we start recording. But this one's from Jay Fizzle 568 and it says chomping at the bit for Tombstone. Although they haven't released an episode to Apple for several months now, hopefully they'll be back because it is truly an enjoyable show.
Lindsey: Thank you.
Andrew: That's a great username too, Jay Fizzle. I hope it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ready.
Lindsey: Yep.
Andrew: I think the energy's I feel good. It doesn't feel like I've been out of the saddle for a few months, but let's, dive into this. I think if, if you're okay, I'll take the synopsis and you can run with the critical audience reception.
Does that
Lindsey: Sounds. Yeah. Sounds good.
Andrew: All right. So today we are talking about the film Stargate. The plot synopsis from IMDb is An interstellar teleportation device, found in Egypt, leads to a planet with humans resembling ancient Egyptians who worship the god [00:05:00] Ra. This movie was written by Dean Devlin and co written and directed by the master of disaster himself.
Roland Emmerich. Come on. I did not know that. I did not know that when I started this film.
Lindsey: That Roland Emmerich was involved? Yeah.
Andrew: I, yeah, he, his career starts at Independence Day for me. And then it goes in some directions, you know, like, some good. Some not so good, but you know, this was a, this was a very pleasant surprise. That really helped me calibrate my expectations for the film.
As soon as I saw his name co starring alongside Kurt are James Spader, Jay Davidson, Vivica Lindfors, Alexis Cruz, Millie Avital we have John Deal and Carlos Lauchu. there Is someone else in this movie that is factors heavily into my notes and we'll get to that in a little bit. Lindsey, what did the critics and audiences have to say about [00:06:00] Stargate?
Lindsey: Okay.
Well, Different things. Because the critics only gave this movie a 54%, but the audiences give this movie a 73%. All right. All we've got our critic for this is J. Carr from the Boston Globe, who says it works not because ridiculousness is concealed, but because ridiculousness on this scale becomes something else.
Don't let anyone tell you that Stargate, lifeless script and all, isn't clunky, fun, proudly trembling on the brink of classic camp. Hmm, there's a lot of, a lot of thoughts there, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah.
Okay. All right.
Lindsey: But our user, Mike K, gave it five out of five and says, the best film ever made. And until today, the best explanation for the pyramids.
Also the score is unmatched. And then we get, of course, to the most important, important opinion, which is listener Claire's mom,
who writes, [00:07:00] it was great. It was Spielberg, Lucas, David Lean, and then Emmerich. It was every epic movie ever. I like the music and the typeface too. The credits at the beginning and the end.
It's so 1930s. James Spader really gave Kurt Russell a run for his money in terms of being cute. Yes, Claire's mom. Yes, he does. In this movie. If you remember, we've previously talked about on this podcast that this is the only movie, in my opinion, in which James Spader was ever hot.
Andrew: it's so interesting because like, what a Okay. What a turn. So it's hard to, for me to envision Spader at this point. I mean, I, I know him from, I guess what would be like later in his career, although not much later, we're talking five or six years. And this is so not the Spader that I'm used to.
Lindsey: So not the Spader that everybody's used to. If you're used to the five or six years from now Spader, if you're used to the the current, like, Boston [00:08:00] legal slash, what is the blacklist
Andrew: Blacklist. Yeah, Blacklist Spader. Yeah, what a, what a Interesting. I was like, is this how they cast him back then? Like, is this, is this what they, you look at James Spader and you're like, nerd, right?
Lindsey: I mean, I will say this Spader is a lot closer to like the sex, lies and videotape Spader, which is kind of the like OG brand.
Andrew: that's true. That's true. I had to like do a mental palate cleanse of my spader you know, for whatever reason I'm stuck on him in The Watcher with Keanu Reeves. It's just not, that's not even like a James Spader. I mean, he's great in that movie, but certainly not even what he's known for in terms of
Lindsey: No, I don't think, excuse me. I don't think if you ask most people, like, name a James Spader film, that The Watcher would come up very often.
Andrew: Yeah, and that's, again, my, my own personal bias is showing. I understand. I[00:09:00]
Lindsey: For sure. For sure. Everything in terms of Keanu Reeves.
Andrew: Yeah, it all. Thank you. Thank you for, you put that very delicately. I appreciate that.
I want to preface with something. When we start this, when we start these, it's always, have you watched this movie before?
We ask on the previous episode, like, have you watched this movie before? I am not, I'm not 100 percent sure what my answer was for Tombstone, mainly because it was a very long time ago. You
have seen
Lindsey: of other westerns you weren't sure about.
Andrew: right? I have, I had no idea where I even was, you know, but that's, that's neither here nor there. You have seen this movie though, many times
Lindsey: I have seen this movie many times. Yes, ten year old Lindsey was very into this movie.
Andrew: yeah, so by the end of this film, okay, I definitively said, I have never seen this before, despite most of the [00:10:00] movie saying, I think I've seen this before. Right. And I really had to put my thinking cap on like, how else would I have had an exposure to this? And then it dawned on me.
I played the Super Nintendo game.
Lindsey: Oh, you played the Super Nintendo game? I thought you were going to say the sci fi show.
Andrew: No, I've never seen, I've, I know, well, I've certainly seen a few episodes of that here and there, but I played this on Super Nintendo. I rented it from Blockbuster and I played it on Super Nintendo.
Lindsey: So is it very close to the film?
Andrew: No.
Lindsey: It's just totally different?
Andrew: Here's the thing, the characters are The characters are like the little sprites or, or whatever, or um, they're like little portraits that pop up when you like talk to the different characters and it is, it's like, Oh, that is Kurt Russell, that is James Spader, right?
So like,
Lindsey: Yeah.
Andrew: and it's there, I guess it's like some very low res still from the film or whatever, but I was like, Oh, okay. [00:11:00] And like, yeah, you're going up against Ra and Horus is there and Anubis or what, you know, like,
Lindsey: Huh.
Andrew: so I had like, you know, Very specific remembrances of details, but only the details they decided to include in the video game.
The rest of it was not like you were going around collecting all the individual symbols to basically assemble the Stargate versus just try to figure out the code. It was like a Contra or like a Mega Man, like a platforming shooter type game.
Lindsey: Okay. I definitely, the image when you said of little like square portraits pop up, I definitely know what those look like in that era of games.
Andrew: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there were, I mean, again, it was, it was actually Kurt Russell and, and, and it wasn't just like some knockoff or whatever. So I was like, Oh, that's, that's cool. That's kind of cool. So that's my, never saw this movie in 94, but I played the video game. So with that, I, I believe I could speak with some authority,
Lindsey: Yeah.
Andrew: about [00:12:00] this. I'm excited to hear your thoughts on it first. When, like, compared to you, what you've watched it recently, and then when the last time you saw it was, so was it back, back then, 10 year old Lindsey, or, yeah, Do you revisit this often?
Lindsey: I don't, this isn't one that I revisit all the time it wasn't 10 year old Lindsey though, I mean, I've, I've like seen this movie once or twice over the years from my 10 year old, I lived in the mountains with no TV reception, we watched the same movies over and over again, sort of
age and, and enjoyed it, you know, every time, but it's not something like Clue, or, you know, that will live in my heart forever, and I watch all the time, Clue.
From childhood through adulthood, no interruptions, you know, not, not like that, but I've seen it, I think the last time was a few years ago when it was just like on TV or something.
Andrew: Solid. This, this feels like a good, like TBS movie, you know, like
something that could
Lindsey: is a good TVS movie, yeah, it's a lot
Andrew: much violence or language even really. You could [00:13:00] definitely cut around a lot of the, the worst parts of this,
Lindsey: yeah, there's not a lot of sex there, it's a good cable movie, for sure.
Andrew: Yeah. Let's talk about Roland Denrick for a minute. What.
Lindsey: Okay
Andrew: yes, no. What are your thoughts on
Lindsey: uh, Like, it, yeah, yeah, um, so, I, I enjoy, You know, Roland Emmerich, I think, obviously the master of disaster, and like a great disaster movie, I think, you know, gets a little repetitive, you know, but when you've found your niche, I guess, you know, live there, so. Disaster movies, I don't think, have a really high rewatchability for the most part, although I know people who definitely agree, and like their comfort movie is like Armageddon or something,
Andrew: Yeah. I've definitely seen Independence Day a handful of times. I feel like he also did the day after tomorrow with Jake Gyllenhaal. That was like, okay, that was like a pretty good the, you know, the earth the climate change. Right. And I'm
Lindsey: very, very quickly,
Andrew: Yeah, well, right. The wolves [00:14:00] descend almost immediately. It's like, where'd these wolves come from?
Lindsey: And that was before the wolf population had significantly rebounded. So that was even more surprising.
Andrew: Exactly. Exactly. Where'd they even come from? I guess
Lindsey: Where'd they come from?
Andrew: I don't know. And he quite a few 2012 guys done, you know, he's had a, he's had, Oh, he recent moonfall most recently. I've seen that. I enjoyed that. I thought that was the, maybe the dumbest movie I've ever seen,
Lindsey: I mean, so dumb, but a movie, like a movie, movie, you know, like it just has that feeling of the visuals are great and sitting in a theater and eating popcorn to it. Roland Emmerich is great at that kind of movie.
Andrew: My favorite thing in a movie is a good time jump. And I just wanted to throw this out, out here. What's the longest time jump that you, you believe you've ever seen in a movie? Like if you can think of, I, I did not prep you for this. So don't feel.
Lindsey: Yeah. Well, I mean, The Mummy,
Andrew: Ooh, that's a good one.
Lindsey: [00:15:00] that one has like a thousands of years time jumps.
Andrew: yeah. Yeah. That's, that's a really good one. Yeah. Any, any time we deal with ancient Egypt until today, that's great. Right.
Lindsey: Big, big time. Jump. Yeah, especially when you're talking about period, pyramid construction, because people do not realize how old the pyramids are a lot of times.
I
Andrew: that they were built by an alien, you know, as according
Lindsey: and okay, we're gonna take a minute here and just talk about this because this is the thing and I just want to state right here because, you know, little Lindsey loved this movie and unaware of colonialism sort of.
repercussions. The whole aliens built the pyramids things is an inherently white supremacist colonialist theory that says that people who are not white, black and brown people, don't know how to have a civilization. So if we fight, if we go somewhere and we find these incredible structures, it is more reasonable to say that aliens did them than [00:16:00] the people who live there, which is of course, total BS. Like, this is a very imperialistic white supremacist Because the pyramids are not that hard to explain how they were made. There's lots of records and evidence and, like, crew rosters for, you know, like, building them.
Andrew: We had tools. We had like, you know, we had the basic, we had levers and pulleys, all that stuff existed. Right.
Lindsey: all that stuff existed. And it's just white people saying, like, black and brown people don't know how to do a civilization. So, if we, you know, this has happened in, you know, Egypt, this has happened in Central and South America. This has happened in Africa, places that in some cases had huge, impressive civilizations with massive edifices and working plumbing and stuff before Europeans had built anything.
So.
Andrew: I'm shocked. I'm shocked to hear this. Lindsey, I'm sure I'm shocked. I say,[00:17:00]
Lindsey: So, racist and totally debunked theory, but a ten year old Lindsey who loved both ancient Egyptology and space travel and was not aware of that context was totally on board with combining two of her favorite things in one movie.
Andrew: that's amazing. I want it to say, cause I was like, In this movie, we start at 8, 000 BC,
Lindsey: Yep.
Andrew: which is an incredible thing to just come on screen and I mean, the audacity, right?
Lindsey: Yeah.
Andrew: Roland Emmerich's like, here's what it was like. He just took a stab at it. And
Lindsey: gonna go with this, this village, that's fine.
Andrew: right, this is, this is exactly what it looked like.
I love that. Then we go to 1928
Lindsey: Mm hmm.
Andrew: and then we go to present day. Okay. [00:18:00] In four minutes, the man covers 10, 000 years.
Lindsey: The two thirds of human history, at least, in the
Andrew: I was laughing. I mean, not in a, not in a way, not in anything other than like, I love the absurdity of, of that and just how quickly, like how economically he was like, look. This thing happened, then we found some repercussions, and boom, here we are.
Lindsey: Then a little girl stole an ancient artifact. Which I gotta say,
Andrew: of significance happened in the middle, it's just these three, it's just these three things.
Lindsey: These things.
Andrew: That's amazing.
Lindsey: I do have to say, even ten year old Lindsey was enough of an archaeologist by then to get mad at the little girl stealing
a thousand year old necklace from the site.
Andrew: priceless artifact, you know, the Indiana Jones in me was, you know, it belongs in a museum, you know, percent
Lindsey: Also, as somebody who's [00:19:00] worked on, you know, excavations and stuff that would not still be together. They used string to thread necklaces and stuff in ancient Egypt and very, like, hardy fibers, but would have disintegrated between when that thing was buried and when she picked it up.
It's not like gold link chain, you know. Yeah.
Andrew: Other than that, I love that. Let me just say that there, you know, Very mild spoilers for the most recent season of Fargo and not anything specific. You do not have to even cover your ears. All I'm going to say is that like about three or four episodes in, there is a title card and a smash cut that it's like basically like 3000 years ago.
And I, I just love any time that a director can pull that off. Right. It's just so. It's so fun for me. I love that a lot. All that out of the way. what you think of Stargate. How did it hit for you this time?
Lindsey: [00:20:00] So I still have a soft spot for this movie. I still think this movie is fun. Like, it obviously has some problems, and I do kind of agree with the critical review we read and the fact that this is, like, You can't be mad at the ridiculousness. The ridiculousness is kind of built in but this is not a subtle movie, right?
Like, this is, we're spelling everything out, it's big, it's bold, but there's still something fun in this idea, and I, I do love I love Daniel. I've always loved, as we said, the celebrity named Spader is hot. Because Daniel is such a, like, character you want to follow and spend time with. I love even in the moment when they're, like, stepping through the Stargate and all the soldiers just march through.
And the, like, sort of curiosity and interest being his defining characteristic, the way that he kind of, like, exp Like really examines, explores, sensorily experiences the Stargate before he steps through it, you know, he's not [00:21:00] scared, he's not hesitating because he doesn't want to, you know, he just, he wants to really, he wants to really experience it and learn about it.
And I love that so much.
Andrew: Yeah. There was a really, that, that shot of him from like, I guess it was like the point of view of the scientist, like the, the, the older woman, like the, the girl who stole the thing, whatever, they're watching from like a safe distance or whatever. And there's the shot of like the silhouette of him right in front of it.
I was like, that's a re that, that shot is cool as hell.
Lindsey: it's such a good shot. Some of the visuals in this movie are really incredible. Like they, they know what they were working with, with the ancient Egyptian iconography and like how that sort of sparks, like, you know, it is, it is a thing, unfortunately it's been exoticized kind of, but it is always really fascinating.
It was such a beautiful culture, such a visually driven culture that like the iconography is like hugely resonant. Right. And then you throw the sci fi on top of that. And I think they. Blended that well, you know, in a way that felt like when, [00:22:00] obviously this is jumping ahead in the story, but like when they get to Ra's spaceship and everything, the way that the sarcophagus is his healing, the way that they tried to, like, merge the Egyptian stylistic elements with the sci fi, I thought was really cool and fun.
I think that this is a treatise on why you shouldn't let the military be in charge of scientific exploration.
Andrew: right. First thing they
Lindsey: to just blow stuff up.
Yeah.
not good guys. Not good. Not a good plan. I understand going on a mission and like evaluating the safety of like continuing, but like going with a nuclear weapon,
just,
Andrew: Just in case, you know, we don't know. We don't know what's over there. We should probably just pack in just like a spare nuke just in case.
Lindsey: but we get one of the classics. I'm going to demonstrate how smart this character is with a chalkboard scene.
Andrew: Oh,
Lindsey: gotta love those.
And this one, at least he's not doing math that we can't understand. And we're just supposed to you know, like know is high level, right? Like we're just,
Andrew: yeah, it was it was like, [00:23:00] basically, like the Egypt, like the translation equivalent of like, goodwill hunting, like solving the equation. You're
like,
Lindsey: walks in and he's like, well, whoever translated this didn't know what they were doing. Like,
Andrew: Right. That well, that's just wrong.
Lindsey: sight read ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs because I'm that good.
Andrew: that's great.
Lindsey: Yeah, but, so I think this movie is not, it doesn't have a huge amount of, depth. It is bombastic, but I think in an enjoyable way.
There's not a lot of nuance to the characters. They're all playing very specific roles that you have in a hero's journey story. And, you know, I do think they try and spend a little bit of time making the romance between Daniel and Shuri feel like a little bit Authentic, but it's still like you guys have known each other for like two days.
Andrew: Yeah, this is, you know, you've, you've wowed her with I don't know what if you've learned her language by switching vowels, apparently, like, you know, a is e or whatever he said.
So
Lindsey: Well, I mean, I [00:24:00] get if you're reading ancient Egyptian, and then trying to speak it, that's like a wild thing, especially because ancient Egyptians skipped a lot of vowels, they just assumed you knew what they were. But also, this is a culture, as he says, it's been living, it might have started Started at the same point as ancient Egyptian, but it's been living separately for thousands of years so that there would be like divergent evolution in the language is actually very reasonable that it's close enough that he can still make a jump to it is the part that's a little do be
Andrew: right, right. He's like, Oh, I'll just rewire my entire brain. Super easy.
Lindsey: yeah, but again, he's a genius, which we learned with the clipboard. So,
Andrew: Right, exactly.
Lindsey: blackboard. Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's not a terribly original story or the characters aren't like super in depth, unique nuance, but it is a classic adventure story in a way that I think it's hard to not have fun with, you know.
Andrew: Yeah, no, I, you know, I tend to agree with you on that one for all the things that [00:25:00] I found to be given some short shrift in this movie. Which, which there are
mainly around Kurt, I would say, like we were first introduced to him. Right. And let me just say, what a haircut shift in this film.
What a haircut shift.
Lindsey: We've got time shifts and we've got haircut shifts.
Andrew: And, and not insignificant hair shifts either. We're talking, he's basically like Snake Plissken when we first meet him. He's got real long, he's in a child's bedroom. He's holding a gun. You're like, this man is not in a good place.
Lindsey: Not in a good place.
Andrew: And, and the next time we see him, it's a high and tight, right?
His head has become a perfect cube. Right. I was like, what is happening here? It's very jarring for me to see that.
Lindsey: Yeah, yeah. It's striking, but I mean, I think it's definitely supposed to be. That's why they made his hair so long and that you're supposed to get And also that he's This persona allows him [00:26:00] to You know, he's snapping back into something that's familiar, that's allowing him to operate, even if he's still not, you know, giving somebody a purpose when they're in that place is, you know, helpful even if it still doesn't immediately alleviate his suicidal, obviously, like, I don't mean obviously the story with him and the boy on the space Egypt, like, is very simple, like, very like,
Andrew: It's like his character arc is like, I need to learn to trust children with guns again, you know, like, not really, but
Lindsey: Not messaging, but I, yeah, yeah.
Andrew: of that's kind of it like not it's not that's not not it. But you know, I want to here's the thing I I read about this movie after After watching it, because I was, I'm actually truly fascinated about a lot of aspects of it, but I wanted to read you this thing a lot of my, a lot of my critiques revolve around some choices that James Spader [00:27:00] made but I found this quote from him where he admitted that he did the film just for money.
And he thought the script was awful. All right, this is exactly what he said. Acting for me is a passion, but it's also a job, and I've always approached it as such. I have a certain manual laborist view of acting. There's no shame in taking a film because you need some fucking money.
Lindsey: That's the Christopher Walken, right? Like anybody's talked about, you know, all the, the wide variety of movies that he's been in, in the range of quality and Christopher Walken's like, I don't say no to a job, like a job's a job. And I get that. And if you're a good enough actor, obviously lot of extraordinary performances come out of something that you feel artistically inspired by, or resonates with you, or you feel challenged by, but you know, sometimes, like I said, these are not deep characters.
So, we don't need, like, the most nuanced dissection. Would it maybe have made some stuff more interesting? [00:28:00] Maybe. But I don't even know that, you know, that's not what this movie is about. So I, I understand that, you know.
Andrew: Yeah. Well, I, I say that because sometimes, You'll watch a movie. And it's very clear that the person on camera did not want to be there.
Lindsey: Is checked out. Is doing this because the taxes on their Romanian castle are due. Or whatever,
Andrew: did not get that. yeah.
I did not get that from Spader in this film.
Lindsey: I, I don't. He did a good job in his workman approach because this, I mean, it didn't feel like something that somebody was tearing their heart out for, but it did not feel like somebody who didn't want to be there.
Like, there is, there is a warmth to Daniel, you know, the
Andrew: So I guess I guess he truly is one of our great actors because I did not sense this, you know, that he did not And yeah, anything, anything amiss about his performance other than what the fuck is up with these sneezes [00:29:00] that he's doing?
Lindsey: I don't know. Well, this is, this is 90s, still hanging on to 80s dork coding, right? Like, they, like, this is, we're still with the 80s idea of a nerd. Cause this is early 90s. We're not like, you know, high 90s yet. So,
Andrew: And it's also Roland Emmerich,
Lindsey: Who I don't think has ever moved past the 80s stereotypes and things.
Andrew: yeah, he's certainly, he's certainly a man that has a preference for things. He wants it big, right? He wants it big. Here is something though. I'll say this. I think you probably touched on this briefly. A lot of the special effects in this are done with miniatures and it holds up so well.
Lindsey: Build real stuff, people.
Miniatures, puppets. I mean, this show, everybody who listens to the show at all knows how in the bank we are for practical effects. But, you know, you look at this, you look at Escape from New York, miniatures work better than, [00:30:00] like, CGI effects that are gonna age really quickly.
Andrew: yeah. this is an interesting back to back. I got this on, this happened to be like on sale on iTunes or Apple thing, whatever. So I bought Stargate for like, I think it was like five bucks. And it was like, here's a 4k Dolby vision, you know, whatever version of this movie. And I'm like, Oh man, you know, I don't think I've ever seen a movie from 19 maybe, maybe Jurassic park.
Right. Cause it's like same ish year, maybe a year or two on other side. Most of the time, this shit does not hold up. Like. At all, especially when you put it like, Oh, it was, these graphics were made for just a square, tiny 20 inch television in your living room. Right?
Lindsey: yeah.
Andrew: I watched this thing in 4k. I was like, this is one of the most beautiful films I've ever seen.
Right?
Lindsey: is really pretty. I love the sets. I mean, I gotta tell you, the villain [00:31:00] propaganda in just, like, I want a real Just lush. Intimidating throne room, you know, like I want floor to ceiling silks and like a real, like I wanted to make an impression. It's hard to turn away from the bad guy life when they get the best clothes and the just killer throne rooms and
Andrew: Yeah. Servants putting on, like this servant's job is to put on just one ring on my pinky finger. It's like, wow, that's luxury right there.
Lindsey: Yeah, I don't know that I want a little army of child servants. That's a
little weird, but, but I do get the, yeah. But like, your
job is just to attach this necklace, like, yeah.
Andrew: yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right. Oh, oh, this body gets hurt. I just sit in this sarcophagus of goo and boom, you know, 20 minutes later, I'm fine.
Lindsey: Not even 20 minutes! Okay, we're gonna talk about this later, but the seven minutes on the bomb at the end of the movie, a lot of stuff happens in that seven minutes.
Andrew: Right. [00:32:00] They, again, that's like the time compression that Roland Emmerich is just fine at doing. It doesn't, none of this, none of this matters. It's like, we teleported up into a spaceship,
Lindsey: We ran to this chamber, we got her in and we got her out, we got her healed and we got her back, all within five minutes. I'm sorry, you couldn't have traversed that space in five minutes, let alone actually regenerated her in a magic sarcophagus.
Andrew: Uh Huh. a science, sorry, not magic, science sarcophagus.
Yeah. The science. Yeah. The scientific sarcophagus. The one thing I, there are certain, I wrote down a bunch of lines here. So I, again, I don't know if James Spader was great as the comic relief at, in this, like he was, he was funny,
Lindsey: Yeah, the comic relief falls a little flat for most of it, but there's some stuff.
Andrew: Yeah. When he was sarcastic,
um, the line is like, we should go with him. And the, and the, the one guy turns to him and he's like, wise. And he's
like, because he's inviting us.
Yeah. How do you know? He's like, because he's [00:33:00] inviting us to go with him. And I'm like,
Lindsey: And does the hand gesture. Yeah, that was great.
Andrew: I would have loved more, more of that was like, was great.
Lindsey: Less of the, like, sneezing, clumsy dork stuff, which did not really work,
Andrew: Yeah. Like dropping papers and they blow away in the wind and like, ha ha ha nerd, whatever, like, I'm fine. The getting dragged on the back of that horse. I mean, not a horse, that beast of burden you know, that's fine. The, again, though, that creature design,
Lindsey: Add on to the puppets. Yeah, I love a wet puppet and that
Andrew: Yeah, look, looked good. You know that weird tongue that came out and like, you know, I was like, gross, but also I holds up
Lindsey: Great, yeah. I'm just going through my these
Your list. Yeah, your
Andrew: random notes there is if there was only one, there are 300 fully pieces of a gun cocking in
this movie. They are so
much louder than everything else in the scene.
Lindsey: Hey, we don't know [00:34:00] what's happening on the atmosphere in this planet. Maybe the way it travels through No, I don't think it's that. I think it's that they wanted to make the guns really prevalent.
Andrew: Yeah. And they sure did. They, it's as loud as it's potentially louder than dialogue and every time it happens, which was very fun. Very fun.
Lindsey: It is very fun. You are right about your earlier point, though, that this movie is kind of weird pro gun agitprop. Like,
don't feel bad about the fact that you're Unsecured weapons murdered your son, you know, guns are really not the problem. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
Don't blame it on the guns, Jack O'Neill.
Like,
Andrew: that's, that's the, that's the issue that we're facing. And I mean, the most, the, the hypest acting that Kurt Russell does in this movie is when that kid. Picks up the gun, he's like, Oh, he gives it like first he picks up the lighter and he he's like, [00:35:00] Oh yeah, no, you can keep that lighter.
Lindsey: And
then he's like, Oh, go ahead, try smoking. And then he
Andrew: Yeah, he does. He he he endangers this child's life.
First of all, real butterfly effect of him giving this him this lighter that's going to change the trajectory of their society in in ways that we will not we won't know the repercussions
Lindsey: I mean, their society has already been significantly messed with by aliens. So at that point, I think the prime directive is kind of out of the window, but
like,
Andrew: true. I guess they don't my only they don't have the access to it. They only they know like, Oh, damn, there's a flying pyramid, but it's not like they're flying the here.
Lindsey: right, I don't
Andrew: on command. Yeah, on command. They can now create fire.
Lindsey: I mean, that's gonna run out of wool in like a very short amount of time.
And then it's just gonna be a moment.
Andrew: trick is over. That's Yeah, that's very funny.
But yeah, it was The kid picks up a gun and and then Kurt reads, put that down, you're gonna hurt [00:36:00] yourself. Right? And it's like your priorities.
Lindsey: Yeah, and then later his buddies in the army talk him into arming the local child population. So,
Andrew: Right? And he he resists that idea for about Five seconds. And then he's like, whatever, whatever, whatever we're going to do. It's, you know, we need them. We need them.
one of my favorite things, this movie actually has a lot of my favorite things. That movie's movie ass shit. There's a flashback in the movie.
That is just a scene of something that happened earlier in the movie that we
Lindsey: Yes.
Andrew: watched.
Lindsey: It's
Andrew: It's like the scene from 8000 BC. It's just a flashback to that. It's like, we already saw it. We didn't even
Lindsey: like we remember that scene, we were there.
Andrew: It was 40 minutes ago. I 100 percent remember what happened. I know that kid. I recognize him.
Right? I love that shit though. Again, it made me laugh. I don't think it was, I don't think that was the goal. But I contribute that to my
Lindsey: [00:37:00] Enjoyable, yeah, either way, whether it was the intent of that moment or not.
It's like Jamie Albrecht's thing for movies where somebody tears the sink off. Just loves when people use that trope of somebody tearing a sink off in a bathroom.
Andrew: yeah, that's pretty good. That's the you know, you just point at the, you know, the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen. You're like, that's, yes, that's me. Yes,
that's where it is.
Lindsey: immediate point in that movie's favor when it happens. Like a flashback to something we've already seen.
Andrew: Right. You didn't even change the angle or the color grade or anything.
Lindsey: you didn't even make this seem like the character. It's just the exact same shot again.
Andrew: Yeah, you just made, you just needed two more minutes on the runtime or whatever. So it's great.
Lindsey: When you watch the original Saw, there are So many flashbacks to things that we've already seen because they needed to get it to feature length time with the footage that they'd shot. Now, they do put like a color grade over it so that we're getting like, ooh, this is in the villain's head, you know, kind
of thing.
But so much of the movie that we've already watched is [00:38:00] shown back to us again in like a crazy montage.
Andrew: that's, I mean, kudos to, you know, it must be a very heart sink type of feeling where like, Oh God, we
didn't even hit like the, we didn't even hit runtime requirement.
Lindsey: This is technically
a short? What?
Andrew: like, it's like, we've already slowed, the credits are already 15 minutes long,
Lindsey: We can't add any more to the credits, we've already thanked the best boy's dog.
Andrew: it's just, it's not possible. It's not possible the entire movie. I was thinking spader reminds me of someone. All right. And it's, it's not anyone. It wasn't any defining thing. It was just his whole presentation, right? So it's the hair. It's the glasses. It's the, it's the kind of physicality and it's, how [00:39:00] restrained he is because he's, you know, whatever we want to convey about him being shy or reserved or whatever.
It's the whole thing. And it struck me. They were storming the pyramid for the, in the final sequence, all right? I'm going to throw it out there and just hope that somebody can relate to me. But he, if you're, if you tell me that Paul Dano's Riddler wasn't based off of this character, then I don't know what the hell is going on
Lindsey: Oh, like, like the dark side of Daniel.
Andrew: yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I was like, these two guys. They're the same in a different world in an alternate reality.
Lindsey: where Daniel became an incel instead of getting hot Egyptian alien but still human wife. Then he ends up as the Riddler.
Andrew: Yeah, and now he's got another set. Yeah, he goes dark side basically, but I was like the entire movie I was like I've seen this character on screen and it wasn't in the video game But I was [00:40:00] like I've seen this character before In, in a something more modern. I don't think of it. And I got there.
I think he's the Riddler. I think,
Lindsey: I mean, Daniel is definitely convinced of his own rightness. In a way that the Riddler, Paul Dano's Riddler is. So yeah, I mean, I can see it. Also some of the aesthetics you mentioned, like the, you know, the hair, the glasses,
Andrew: yeah, that's, it's just that it was like a very striking. I was like, wow, that's, that's, that's something else. That's really something else. Tell me what you thought. Cause this is something for me. Tell me what you thought about the score of this movie.
Lindsey: I mean, this is where it just taps into that, like, 80s, 90s adventure film Scoring
that does make it feel like just such a movie really does hit. I mean, the score is talked about in some of our, you know, critical audience reviews. Claire's mom talked about the music. It's good. It's that scene where like now I think after the grimdark period of the early 2000s, you know, post 9 11, you don't have, Although I think maybe it's coming back a little bit in certain things that, you know, you have serious and scary and dark [00:41:00] music when serious, scary, dark music things are happening, but you also have like, jaunty adventure music when Daniel's being dragged by the puppet horse, or like,
Andrew: like which went on for maybe a minute too
Lindsey: A little too long for the sequence. Yeah, but, but you have that kind of, I mean, if you watch Jaws, like obviously the music in Jaws everybody's familiar with is the shark theme, but like there's parts when the shit has already gotten very real on that boat, but where they're like chasing the shark where all of a sudden it's like jaunty adventure music before it brings us back down into ominous, you know, like, and so I do think that the music in this is, is fun in that it is part of what makes this era of adventure movies have this kind of feeling.
Andrew: My thought was, that's why so many people are calling this like a Spielberg, like they're Spielberg specifically is is called out in a lot of like the user reviews. And I think it's because so it's, it's not, but it is very much channeling john Williams and you named two other john [00:42:00] Williams scores. So I mean, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's very much the, I think that's very much the case. This is like the stock music version of John Willey.
Lindsey: Yeah, it obviously doesn't have John Williams virtuosity, but it is definitely invoking that kind of film score.
And again, something like,
Andrew: the feel is great.
Lindsey: yeah, in another Spielberg, John Williams, like, that's part of what makes Jurassic Park still hit so hard, the first ones that the sequels have never been able to do as well, is the mix of awe and wonder With the terror.
We get those sequences of them just being amazed at the marvel of, like, creation. You know, like, the, these amazing animals. Because you have that wonder and joy sprinkled in with the, like, It just makes that movie so much more enduring than, you know, a lot of the sequels have been and stuff, so.
Andrew: I mean, specifically, it's the thing that hits in, I hate that they do it, but it gets me every goddamn time, [00:43:00] is in the subsequent movies, which I have had the unfortunate pleasure of seeing every one of them. Cause
Lindsey: I've seen all of them.
Yeah.
Andrew: mining my childhood of nostalgia. And every time the T Rex does his signature roar, which spoilers that happens in every, every single movie, they do that.
Duh, duh, duh, duh, they do that very iconic and it gives me goosebumps,
but it doesn't, It doesn't give me goosebumps because of what I'm watching. It's because I'm remembering the 90, you know, in the first time I saw it. I'm like, that's so good.
Lindsey: Yes, and because John Williams is an unparalleled freaking genius. John Williams is one of the best composers, not of film and movies, but of like, composition, of all time. He knows how to make you feel a feeling. He's
Andrew: Right. And son of a bitch. He does it. His music does it every
Lindsey: every. Time.
Andrew: we already [00:44:00] touched on this again. I, but I had my notes all out of order here. I just noticing it towards the end of the film, the costumes for Horace and Anubis. Incredible. I, where there were three, though, I can't remember what the other one was.
Lindsey: I think it was Thoth, but I'm not,
I think it was the Owlhead. There was the hawk, the jackal, and the, yeah.
Andrew: remarkably done.
I mean, now again, the special effects of them, you know, materializing that that's fine. That was that, you know, there was no other way to do
that.
So I, I don't ding, I don't ding it for that, but that, that those men were physically wearing
Lindsey: Those helmets. Yeah.
Andrew: that's incredible. I wonder where they are is what I,
Lindsey: I, oh my God. Yeah. Seriously. So cool. And that's what I'm saying about the, the way that they fused the Egyptian iconography with the sci fi iconography, I think was very successful. I think was, is still successful. Like you're saying, those helmets are so cool. And just the way, too, that, like, they're [00:45:00] preserving their god like distinction by only ever showing themselves like that so that they don't just see that they're people, you know.
Andrew: yeah,
Lindsey: We're alien parasites in people bodies, but still.
Andrew: sure. It's a minor technicality. the, minor ding again, this is a very minor ding. I say, I feel like I'm a broken record here. This movie could probably be about 20 minutes shorter. I think, I
Lindsey: Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, we talked about the puppet horse, but See, Dragon Daniel, that's too long. You
know, there's like, there's lots of stuff that you could shave. There's not necessarily whole scenes that I would excise, but like, you could shave a lot out of this. So,
Andrew: I think that would be good. And then my last, my last note is this is a very, this was very jarring for me. I'm going to, I'm just going to preface by saying that I guess I just never knew what French Stuart looked like with his eyes open. Okay. My only exposure to him really was on third rock [00:46:00] from the sun
Lindsey: yeah,
Andrew: his character
Lindsey: he's sleepy.
Andrew: Is sleepy.
Yeah. That's a great way to put it. His eyes are very rarely, you know, and his chin's always up. He's, you know, if you've ever seen third, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Lindsey: Mm hmm.
Andrew: We cut to French Stewart in this movie a lot, and I had no, I just simply did not recognize him. I was like, the credits rolled, they were like French Stewart, it was like this guy, he was basically like Kurt's second or third in command, like right hand man.
He was there the whole time. And I'm like, Oh God, what the fuck? That's French Stewart? That's what he looks like? That's crazy.
Lindsey: Yeah, yeah. No, I was guessing it was French Stewart you were talking about up top when you mentioned them. What other person in this movie who we're going to talk about later?
Andrew: I, and that's the kind of stuff where There's that conversation you have sometimes as a nerd where you're like, that's Superman thing where he just takes his glasses off. That, that's bullshit. I would know. And clearly I've been [00:47:00] proven wrong about that multiple times in my life.
So there's, I probably would not know that Clark Kent was Superman. I just have no idea. I
Lindsey: Yeah. I think anybody who says that has not seen the original Christopher Reeves, because he does a scene in Lower Lois's apartment, where he's Clark Kent and his body language is totally different, and then he takes his glasses off because he's gonna tell her that he's Superman, but she's like walked into the other room, and then he changes his mind about it before she gets back and puts his glasses back on.
And that performance right there is, first of all, part of the reason why Chris Bruce was so good. And second of all, Just watch that and you will understand how people do not conflate
Andrew: yeah,
Lindsey: with Superman.
Andrew: that's true. You just, that's like the last person. And again, yeah, like the French Stewart thing, I believe in third rock from the sun, if I'm not mistaken, very kind of a still, like a stiff performance. Like he, cause they're frigging aliens. Right. So like he, his arms were always kind of tight and out in front of his body.
And I'm like,
he's just not this cool soldier guy, the [00:48:00]
Lindsey: with his biceps
out and his tank top. Yeah. I mean,
Andrew: Who's a very well spoken and, you know,
Lindsey: I don't know. He throws the guy who is ostensibly your only way out of their books out into the desert. So like, I don't know that we're gonna
Andrew: That's true. In a, in an attempt to ques motivate? Question mark him? I don't know.
Lindsey: In an act of childish,
Andrew: Yeah.
Lindsey: pettiness, but I don't think, I don't think that was really uh, like, you're lame, we rock, you know, I don't think it was really intended to genuinely motivate him, although obviously they do want to genuinely motivate him as well.
Andrew: Right.
Lindsey: They want,
Andrew: only hope.
Lindsey: they want him to get out of there.
Here's a question. Do you think Daniel actually fully, 100 percent believed that he could, Like, get them back for sure, no doubts. Or do you think he just wanted to go into the other side of the galaxy?
Andrew: That guy was so full of shit when he went through that. We understood his situation in the beginning after his [00:49:00] lecture, everybody walked out, he has no money, he doesn't have a place to live, all of his shit fits in a suitcase, right?
So given the opport given your circumstances, and this opportunity, Why wouldn't you want to see like, Oh yeah, let, let, let's just go through this weird Egyptian portal, like,
Lindsey: Yeah,
Andrew: I'm sure he figured out how to get there. Like he, you know, all those pieces fit. I'm sure he believed at some point he'd be able to like, find a way back.
But
Lindsey: I do think he genuinely believed in his ability, partially because he waltzes in there and the thing that they've been working on for like literal years he figures out in 14 days. But
Andrew: was so funny. The disbelief in everyone's voice, like the, you know, when he's in that meeting with like the, the military leaders. And the guy's like, you figured it out and how, how long I was like, Oh, that's fun. That's fun.
Lindsey: yeah, so I genuinely do believe that he thought, but I don't think he thought about it deeply. I think his gut instinct was, yeah, I can figure it out and I want to go to the other end of the [00:50:00] galaxy.
Andrew: Yeah. Given the time, right. Given, I mean, here's what we had all of the pieces of the puzzle here already in place.
Lindsey: They assembled over, you know, that was from the 20s, they found, you know, so yeah, I don't think he was thinking really critically about like, what might be involved with,
Andrew: Yeah. The intricacies of finding and acquiring uh, this technology.
Lindsey: yeah, no. But again, I do relate, 10 year old Lindsey wanted to see the other side of the universe too and would have absolutely hopped in that portal without thinking too deeply about it.
Andrew: Yeah. We focused a lot on Spader. And I think realistically, this is a James Spader movie. If I had to If, if you, if you've gone to my head and you were like, who's the star of this movie? I feel like it probably is James Spader. I mean, Kurt is in many of these scenes, but I feel like they didn't give him a ton to do necessarily.
Lindsey: No, his character is even more flat than like everybody else's character.
Like, so,
Andrew: to look good. He looks great.
Lindsey: he looks great. He's there to be [00:51:00] the like, military enforcing presence, you know, and then, but he does have an arc, I guess, but the arc is really much more Daniel's than it is his. Like, his is just returning. He's getting over his grief for his son pretty quickly, like, in
Andrew: Daniels is like, I'm a, I'm like the dorky linguists. And now I'm a ladies man. You know,
Lindsey: You know, I'm a space adventuring ladies man.
Cause I think that's a lot of it too, is like, coming into his own as like a, you know, hero sort of thing, you know.
Bringing him outside of the nebbish, bookish, you know, in his own way, yes. But it, like I said, this is very 80s sort of themes and characters of this movie, even though it's not an 80s movie.
Andrew: There is one more big question
that that's worth asking. However, it requires a preface. We got an email from some listeners a couple of a married couple, and I'm going to read this email.
Lindsey: [00:52:00] Okay.
Andrew: It goes like this. Dear Andrew, Whitney, and Kurt Locker guests, My wife and I are huge fans of Kurt and equally big fans of this podcast.
It's been a few months since you've released anything and we sincerely hope it's not over because some of our favorite and most quoted Kurt films are coming up next. It's with that in mind that we wanted to show the demand is real. We're amateur musicians, mostly with sequencers and vocals, and decided to try our hand at a little theme making.
Lindsey: Oh.
Andrew: When I, so I got to this point of the email,
Lindsey: Yeah.
Andrew: just hit download, right?
Lindsey: Yeah, you're like, I've listened to this. I don't care. What
Andrew: yeah.
I don't even, I don't know what the hell happened, but here we go. Attached are two themes that will hopefully make Whitney giggle and, or turn extremely red. We used a couple of sample packs and some AI stuff to assist, but it would make our day to hear these used.
We're including the lyrics we came up with too, in case they're too hard to hear,
which I don't believe they are, but you know, we'll see,
uh, [00:53:00] Until we hear from you, we're keeping the home fires burning. And that is from listeners, Mike and Alicia.
Lindsey: Mike and Alicia! That's amazing! I'm so excited to hear that!
Andrew: So, a lot of pomp and circumstance up to this point. I believe, Mike and Alicia, please write in if I'm, if I'm mistaken here, I believe we have, I'm only going to play one, but we have for this episode and
then the next one, I'll play the other one. We have a version. They're two totally different songs.
First of all.
Which is amazing. One is I believe sung by Mike and the other one that we will listen to today is sung by Alicia, all custom music or, or whatever.
Lindsey: That's so incredible! I can't believe you guys. That rocks. Like, I'm so excited.
Andrew: so I guess, I guess the real question that we're, that we need to ask ourselves is [00:54:00] oh my god, that's amazing!
She wrote lyrics. She wrote lyrics, or they wrote lyrics. Whoever wrote the lyrics, it doesn't
matter, wrote lyrics based on the things that Whitney actually said.
Lindsey: Yes!
Some of my favorite Whitney quotes! They got in the wooden loophole hymn and wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers,
Andrew: Right.
Lindsey: of my favorites.
Andrew: So earlier. So here it is real quick. I'll just run through this. Is he hot in this one? Whitney ponders deep in the flick that's currently on her screen. And this is also [00:55:00] her. The hair is on point. The butt is real good. Whitney's wondering if she would. Let's watch him flex his muscles. She would not loophole Kurt Russell.
Won't kick him out of bed for eating crackers and making a mess. Is he hot in this one? What? Did
Lindsey: amazing. You two just totally made my day. That rocks. I'm gonna make that my new ringtone.
Andrew: send it to you. It's a little mp3 file. It's incredible. We got so that's one next week. We'll have the other one.
And then maybe We'll
just alternate between because why, why would we ever go back to playing the ones that I made when we have this masterpiece is my thought about it. So
Lindsey: I mean, yeah, it's phenomenal.
Andrew: all that said, Lindsey is is Kurt hot in this one? We already know James Spader is a
Lindsey: hot in this one. Yes.
Andrew: Kurt?
Lindsey: Yeah, but it is cut because his His character is so flat [00:56:00] in this one. Like, and I get, again, like I'm not trying to minimize that this man lost a son or anything like that, but like, he's just so dour. There's not a lot of his normal charisma there, you know. So, yes, I mean, he's a very nice looking man.
We get his muscles. We get the like, very, you know, G. I. Joe kind of stuff. But it's not, it's not overwhelming, you know. We're not, definitely not talking Snake Plissken levels here, so, but yes. What about you, Andrew?
Andrew: The hair change really threw me for a loop on this one. I'd say like overall, my remembrance of Kurt from this period of time is that he mainly looks like this, right? Like the hair is a little bit closer cropped or, or shaved. Right? Like I think of, I think we have a movie coming up called Soldier where he might look exactly like this.
Lindsey: Yes, I think this is like, very, very close to the soldier, look, for obvious reasons.
Andrew: Yeah, but it's like a very tepid yes for me, right? I [00:57:00] certainly prefer the longer hair, the more majestic mane of hair that we get. I'll say yes, but like, certainly far from my, if we were ranking his hotness, this would be like lower tier,
Lindsey: Yeah, same, like I said, this is into the yes, but it's not like that far over the line for me,
Andrew: Right, yeah. He, he has a lot of redeeming, there are a lot of like fun little smiles and, and things towards the end of this one that I'm like, oh man, he's, he's a good looking dude. So, you know, when they figure it all out. So, that's great. Is he hot in this one with our brand new theme song, One of Two.
Thank you Mike. And Alicia, wait, did I say that right? And hold on, just to make sure. Mike and Alicia. Yes,
Lindsey: Yes, Thank you so much.
Andrew: Whitney wasn't here to, to hear this, but my thought is that you will probably make her. When, when you find her in the void,
Lindsey: Yeah,
Andrew: listen to this,
Lindsey: we'll play this into the [00:58:00] void, and then That might
lure her
Andrew: this, is the siren song.
Lindsey: Yes, guide her back out of the void. Okay.
Andrew: Amazing. So as we discussed upfront, no Charles, this episode, we will not be figuring anything out. Luckily, the pressure is off of us. So we're going to move right to our plot points here. I'll, I'll run us through the movie real quick.
Lindsey uh, feel free to hop in whenever you have something.
Lindsey: Will do.
Andrew: cover a lot of time here. Oh, one thing that I thought was really fun really quickly, cause I was, I I don't have the number in front of me exactly, but the Stargate, right? It, it itself. My thought was like, why haven't they attempted to at least brute force this thing,
Lindsey: I was gonna say, in the time they've had it, they could have tried like a lot of combinations.
Just randomly, like, run an algorithm to try and see if they
Andrew: Right, because they had four, [00:59:00] right? They need five and they had
four.
Lindsey: seven. So you need six to determine this is his second blackboard moment. Where he shows you how you find any spot in three dimensional space by having six points of reference, and then you need the start point.
Andrew: Yeah. So they
had. They had six? Or did he figure out those other? Did he figure out a majority of those? My thought?
Lindsey: knew six of them because that was what was in the cartouche. But they didn't have the seventh symbol that would tell you the origin point, so it would open the wormhole.
Andrew: Ah, okay. Got it. All right. Yeah. So I believe if my math is correct the, the Stargate had 38 symbols on it. I know that I looked that up cause I was like, I need to know how many symbols are on this frigging thing. Which means I believe to figure out how many possible permutations there are.
You just take that number. And then multiply it by minus one and then multiply that by, [01:00:00] so it's like 38 times, 37 times, 36 times, 35 times, all the way down the line. And I believe that comes out to right off the top of my head. I hope I'm correct here. I think it's like 16 million different possible combinations.
Oh, you know, give or take 16 and a half million. So maybe that's why they didn't prove
Lindsey: I mean, yeah, if you had the cartouche, if you're assuming that the cartouche is giving you six of the symbols because it's the same symbols that are on the outside, then you can lock in all those and just do, try out
Andrew: 38
Lindsey: for the seventh one, right?
Andrew: unless they open a wormhole into like, uh,
Lindsey: I
mean, yes, you are risking opening random wormholes, although they don't know that that's what it does.
Like, there is, they know that it's called a, like, a gate, so they do assume, you can tell that there's, this is, they're definitely making some assumptions about like, I will say, they've hooked it up to just the right equipment somehow, without knowing for sure 100 percent what it does.
Andrew: Yeah, they got some wheel of [01:01:00] fortune thing where it takes the, and it clicks.
Lindsey: Well, like they have it hooked up to a little star map of like the galaxy. Why do you have it hooked up to that? Unless you already know what it does.
Andrew: Hey, you know, that's somebody was just the original translator. He at least got that part right. You know, he got the entire translation wrong, but he nailed this part.
Lindsey: but yeah, so we don't know for sure. I feel like there is, was possible other ways to work this out, but
Andrew: Here we go. The plot starts in 1928. And I just want to make sure that we are aware that the plot of the movie actually starts at 8000 BC. We just see a little bit of a, you know, a village in a
flying pyramid and one brave villager heads towards the flying pyramid instead of running away from it. And that person,
uh,
Lindsey: gets alien parasited.
Andrew: he gets the reward.
In 1928. At Giza, Egypt, archaeologist professor [01:02:00] Paul Langford, accompanied by his daughter Catherine, unearths cover stones engraved with Egyptian hieroglyphs and other markings. Beneath, he discovers a large metallic ring of unknown purpose. Very fun. In next paragraph, in 1994, just like Roland Emmerich did in the movie, next paragraph, Catherine invites Egyptologist and linguist Daniel Jackson, PhD, to translate the hieroglyphs.
The stones are now part of a U. S. Air Force classified project overseen by Special Operations Colonel Jack O'Neill. Jackson determines that the hieroglyphs refer to a stargate which uses constellations as spatial coordinates. He is then shown the stargate, the ring device from Giza. They use the coordinates to align the stargate's rotating track with markings, or chevrons, along its outside.
When all seven chevrons are locked in, a wormhole opens, connecting the stargate with a distant planet. Jackson joins O'Neill and his team made up of Riley, Poro, [01:03:00] Freeman, Brown, Ferretti, and Kowalski as they pass through the wormhole. They emerge inside a pyramid in the arid desert planet of Abydos. Jackson attempts to locate the symbols required for the return journey through the Stargate, but we don't know, he's like, where, we have no idea where they are or where they could be.
We need to find civilization. O'Neal orders Kowalski to set up camp. Jackson sees a large animal with a harness. Again, some, some really great puppet. He approaches it very astutely observes that it has a saddle. So he knows it's not like a, you know,
a,
Lindsey: animal, it's domesticated.
Andrew: right. It's some sort of helpful creature.
Not a,
Lindsey: Also,
Andrew: one.
Lindsey: that there are people somewhere,
because this
animal has a harness on it.
Andrew: he I forgot about the ongoing joke about is it a Fifth Avenue? Is that what the candy bar he gives the he gives the creature of from the alien creature of Fifth Avenue bar?
Lindsey: Then he gives the mayor a Fifth Avenue [01:04:00] bar,
Andrew: Yeah, the guy gives him like some like a water to drink and in return, it gives him a Fifth Avenue, which must have blown his goddamn mind
Lindsey: Yeah, it's like the joke of, like, if a caveman ate a Dorito, he would die because it's just too much flavor. It's that
sort of situation. You've never had refined sugar and chocolate in your life.
Andrew: Man would have exploded into a million pieces. The large animal with the harness drags him off. This is Spader. He goes to investigate this creature. It gets spooked. His foot catches in the saddle, drags him off. O'Neill, Kowalski, and Brown follow. They discover a tribe of humans working in a mine of a strange mineral.
O'Neill radios the others to secure a base camp. And while they follow these people back to their city at this point, Jackson realizes the people speak a variant of ancient Egyptian and is able to communicate with them. That's not exactly how it happens, but let's go with that explanation for now.
He learns that the tribe sees him and his comrades as emissaries of their God, [01:05:00] Ra, because he's wearing the. Amulet spaders wearing the amulet that Catherine gave him when she grave robbed earlier in 1928 the tribe the tribes chieftain presents Jackson with his daughter shorty is that shorty?
It's a shorty, right? Yeah. As a gift. That was very funny that that point he was trying to communicate with them.
Lindsey: Cracked the bowels yet.
Andrew: Yeah. And he, he starts drawing in the sand and the first shape he draws very much would, you know, you could mistake it for a vagina. Right? Like, it's just like
Lindsey: it's the
Eye of Bra.
Andrew: Yeah.
It's like two parentheses right next to each other. And then, but before he got to finish the chieftain's like, Oh, I got you dog. he,
Lindsey: I think that was the chain of events. I think the chain of events was You are a god.
Cause you're, you And so you're doing the forbidden writing that we're not supposed to do, you keep invoking Ra with, like, your symbol, and then right [01:06:00] here, and so we better give you my daughter as, like, a But you could sure read it as he draws a vagina and then, you know, when he puts the eye in the eye of Ra, he's like, oh, you're aware of the clitoris, you can marry my daughter, it's fine.
Andrew: Right. Clearly the man is enlightened. He knows a thing or two about female anatomy. Let's
Lindsey: Right, so I'll gift you my daughter as if she were property, so
Andrew: So, Jackson while flattered, he, he refuses Shuri. He's like, but you know, they later become romantically involved, right? But he's not like, Oh, no, no, no, no, you can put your clothes back on. You know, this isn't a thing I was, you know,
Lindsey: Unless I'm trying to be gifted a sex slave,
Andrew: Right. Let's not do that. He's like, I'm really just an educator here. I just want to learn. I'm just here to learn, you know, O'Neill, which Kurt Russell befriends Kasuf's teenage son, Scarra and his friends. That night, Ra's ship lands atop the original pyramid that they arrived in [01:07:00] and his soldiers
Lindsey: Demonstrating that the, the pyramids are in fact some sort of like docking bay structure
Andrew: Right, yeah, like the Ra's pyramid, you know, kind of is seated atop a smaller or maybe roughly the same size type pyramid.
It's
Lindsey: Yes, but meaning that all the pyramids in Giza and everything like that were like docking points for their pyramid spaceships.
Andrew: right. That's great. Ra's soldiers then capture Feretti and Freeman and they kill the other two fellas there. Very sad. Very cool little, you know, The sequence of the soldiers being stalked by what we'd later know to be like Horus and Anubis and whatnot it was kind of cool. You didn't quite see them.
You caught these glimpses of them. I thought that was like a
Lindsey: You got like
Andrew: scene.
Lindsey: Yeah. Yeah, it's good.
Andrew: Through hidden markings and discussions with the tribe, Jackson learns that Ra is an alien being who came to Earth during the ancient Egyptian period to [01:08:00] possess human bodies to extend his own life. Ra enslave these humans and use the Stargate to bring some of them to Abydos to mine the mineral that is used in the alien technology.
It's this like weird metal that's kind of
Lindsey: Yeah, we never get a lot of details about it, but it's apparently very powerful and powers all of his technology.
Andrew: yeah, it's like, you know, it's the, it's a, it's like vibranium or whatever,
Lindsey: Yeah,
Andrew: whatever your
modern day equivalent, you know, look at all that. Yeah. Yeah.
Lindsey: Mithril, probably,
like
Andrew: Yeah. There you go. I mean, it's all, it's all of those things and yet also none of them. The humans on earth actually revolted though.
Right. They overthrew Ra's plans and then they buried the Stargate to prevent its use. So that explains the excavation site. The Stargate was like buried deep. Right?
Lindsey: With a big capstone on it saying, Hey, maybe don't dig this up,
but we did anyway, because We always do
Andrew: We have to I gotta know man.
Lindsey: this is a small digression. [01:09:00] There is a fascinating if you ever want to go down an internet rabbit hole so we bury nuclear waste out in the middle of a desert, right? Like, that's what of trying to figure out a warning system for future humans or any future sentient species.
If like, our writing is no longer readable. How do you put like a danger? Don't dig this up, it's toxic, without accidentally enticing people there. Because if you build anything interesting, even if it looks scary, humans have historically always dug that up. So, it's a very interesting, fun rabbit hole if you ever want to go look at the ways that people are trying to figure out how to leave nuclear waste warnings.
On sites for the future.
Andrew: That is fascinating.
Lindsey: One person thought about creating folklore about cats and then also genetically altering cats to glow in the presence of radiation.
Andrew: Wow. See, but that all that would do is inspire people to try to get these cats and then get radioactive materials in their own home [01:10:00] so they can say look the cats would just glow.
glowing! It's glowing!
Lindsey: Yeah. It's a real, it's a real problem, but it's a very interesting one. Because humans, historically, it doesn't matter how big of a danger warning you put on something, we will dig it up.
Andrew: We've done that for, yeah, every time we find a new mummy or a sarcophagus or something, despite, it's like, oh, there's a huge curse, don't open this, there's a huge curse, or whatever, people are like, crack that open, let's see,
Lindsey: gotta get in there.
Andrew: this curse, see, right, damn it, damn it, we're the worst, although it'd probably be me too if I
Lindsey: I mean, it's linked to our inherent curiosity, which I do think is one of the better human traits, even if it can sometimes be destructive in the
Andrew: Right. I need to know during his investigation, Jackson comes across a cartouche containing six of the seven symbols for the Stargate, but the seventh has been broken off and worn away.
So, okay, we're, we're just like back on Earth. We got six. We just
need the origin.
Lindsey: seventh. Yeah. I
Andrew: When [01:11:00] Jackson, O'Neill, Brown, and Kowalski return to the Pyramid, there is a firefight against Ra's soldiers. Brown is killed and Kowalski is injured. Jackson and O'Neill are captured and brought before Ra and his guards, who are revealed to be humanoids when they retract their armored headpieces.
A firefight ensues and Jackson is killed, O'Neal is incapacitated and is incarcerated with the others. Okay, so, that was kind of a cool little water prison they threw him in, there's just
Lindsey: was gonna say when you got, like, why is it a water prison? Like, is it cool and visually interesting? Yes. Why do you have a hole filled with water to throw prisoners into?
Andrew: I, so,
Lindsey: Because you're not, like, drowning them in it. Why are you just keeping a water dungeon?
Andrew: yeah, my thought is it's probably well, it looks like they were standing up in it. So there's not a an expenditure of energy. If it might have been even cooler if it was like we threw you in here, but you can't touch the bottom.
And so all your energy has to go just to
maintain Load, yeah. Instead of escape,
Lindsey: trying to break out. [01:12:00] That would be interesting. That is not what they were doing because they're standing in it. But that would be an interesting, I like, I like your thinking. If I ever need an evil lair built, I'll consult
Andrew: go. Yeah, just put them, put them in the water dungeon. They'll never get the, you know, you know, give them a little reprieve every now and then it's fine or don't you're an evil, you have an evil lair. So maybe
you don't need to give anyone a reprieve. Okay, just so we're clear, Jackson is James Spader, and in that last firefight, he was very clearly taken out, he was killed,
he was
straight up killed, Ra places Jackson's body in a sarcophagus like device, and it completely regenerates him, he comes back, Ra tells Jackson that he has found the nuclear bomb that O'Neill secretly brought, and has used his own technology Which is the mineral to increase its explosive power one hundred fold.
And then he's just going to send it right back to earth through the stargate. Now I've recently seen Oppenheimer not [01:13:00] recently, but, and I'm
like, okay. So yeah, we saw it when we, when it was out and it was a thing. And I was like, okay, that, but now a hundred times more than that, that seems pretty bad because that was pretty bad on its own.
So. That's what we're dealing with here. Everyone. A hundred Oppenheimers. Let's go. Ra orders the human tribe to watch his tribe, his alien, his alien human tribe to watch as he prepares to force Jackson to execute the others to demonstrate his power. But Skara and his friends create a diversion that allows Jackson, O'Neill, Kowalski, and Ferretti to escape and Freeman is killed.
So yeah, Little by little, we're losing the squadron, the
the
original
Lindsey: yeah. But, good thing, Ra only has like five guys, so
Andrew: it's true his entire security
Lindsey: of gods and security detail. I mean, we don't know, obviously, he's coming in [01:14:00] from somewhere out in space, so there could be more, but he is, like, expecting to subdue and maintain control over this whole planet with like five dudes and a bunch of child servants.
Andrew: yeah, it's crazy. That's that's hubris is what that is.
Lindsey: It
Andrew: he's got backup somewhere else. But They're too far away or whatever to,
Lindsey: Yeah, when you assume you have complete control over a population that you don't need to worry about.
Andrew: that's true. He never assumed, I mean, at, at, at their current capacity of what they were able to do. Five guys was more than enough, right? But America's here now. And that's a different, that's a different thing. So the United States Air Force is on the job.
Lindsey: So the jingoism in the last little bit will get very intense.
Andrew: Sure. they all flee in this. You know, a commotion Jackson O'Neal, all these guys, they flee to a nearby cave system to hide from Ra. So Skara and his friends are celebrating. [01:15:00] Skara draws a sign of victory on the wall, which Jackson recognizes as the final symbol.
Lindsey: it's The one.
for this planet when he's drawing it.
It's exactly the same as the Earth one, except with three moons instead of one moon.
Andrew: Yeah. And it was like, that was a nice touch. That was a nice touch. So O'Neill and his remaining men aid Scarra in overthrowing the remaining overseers, and then launch an attack on Ra, who sends out these really kind of interesting designed fighter ships. Yeah. Against the humans while he orders his ship to begin like a, like a tactical retreat almost.
It's like, Oh, this might not be going my way. I'm going to get the hell out of here.
Lindsey: might need to come back with some of the rest of the Pantheon to really, like,
re oppress
Andrew: Right? The all the rest. The humans outside run out of ammunition and are forced to surrender to the fighter ships pilots. But the rest of the tribe. Seeing that their false gods are really humanoid, rebel against the guards and then overthrow them, which is great. There's like this kind of two [01:16:00] towers like Gandalf two towers esque coming over the cresting the hill on horses, you know, running over.
It was pretty cool. It was pretty neat.
Lindsey: But again, this is all happening in seven minutes in a way that I do not believe.
Andrew: right. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This entire last thing is it. We should note that like the bomb, the bomb Kurt Russell has activated a nuclear warhead,
Lindsey: With a seven minute countdown.
Andrew: So they begin this overthrow. Shuri is killed. Jackson, in his infinite wisdom, takes her body and goes up into Ra's ship using this cool ring teleport system, right, that we've seen a few times now throughout the film.
It's just like a direct line of
Lindsey: Mini Stargates. I do like the way that they keep showing us the like same methods, like the same technological methods used in different So like the gun sticks that the guards are holding are the same weapons as the on the ship.
And then, and then the These rings are just like the Stargate, [01:17:00] you know.
Andrew: Exactly.
Yeah, just like a like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. tick. And then they it's kind of cool. It's concentric circles. It's it's really neat. Jackson takes sure he's dead body sneak support Roship using a teleport. Teleportation system and then O'Neill and is left to fight Ra's guard captain Anubis.
It's kind of a cool fight. Although Kurt Russell is getting his ass kicked for a majority of it. And you're like, how's this going to end? But I had a sneaking suspicion about how it would end. And I was pretty vindicated. But you know, Jackson plays a shuri in the regeneration device, that little sarcophagus we talked about, and she recovers again, all that's
all
within just seven
seven minutes. Rod discovers them and attempts to kill Jackson. But at this point, O'Neal activates the teleportation system from, from the ground which,
Lindsey: a guy he's fighting
Andrew: right, he does it to decapitate Anubis on the ground, and it also allows Jackson and Shuri to escape the [01:18:00] ship, and I believe it takes, like, Ra's arm, with, like, he's holding him, like, in a chokehold, the teleportation device cuts his arm off, very
Lindsey: yeah.
Andrew: O'Neal and Jackson, okay, again, we, we now we have about 45 seconds of the, the bomb left at this point. Ra is making an escape. Ra's in, out in orbit now. I don't know how that happened, but Ra, the ship, Ra's ship is in orbit. But they're like, Oh, light bulb. Let's use this teleporter. We'll just send the nuke up.
Boom. Right to Ra. 45 seconds left. They do it. Done. The whole, the whole thing explodes in, in, in low orbit, I guess.
Lindsey: Yep, blows up, the people are freed, at least, from
Ra.
Andrew: we know, you know, all the O'Neil, Kowalski, Freddie, got the
Lindsey: That's what I'm talking about with the jingoistic, like the climax of this movie is everybody getting pulled into the military industrial complex.
Andrew: Yeah. The children,[01:19:00]
yeah, the children, the, the, the tribesmen, it was, it was like a fair amount of people. They all turned to Kurt Russell. And they just give him a, Oh, like a salute, salute. Thank you, captain. And he, you know, gives them one back and they, I don't know how they knew that, that, you know, they saw that happening earlier in the film, you know, but I was just like, Oh my God.
Oh my God. I didn't hate it. I was like, that was very fun.
Lindsey: You got the music telling you that this is like,
Andrew: Yeah. Oh yeah. A hundred
Lindsey: Like,
Andrew: telegraphing everything about the scene. You need to
Lindsey: you should have feelings about this. They should be positive. I
Andrew: Yeah. And then in surprising no one Jackson Spader's character decides to stay behind with what I could assume will be his future wife, Shuri and the others.
Lindsey: they are technically already married.
Andrew: Oh, that's right. You're yes. That's correct. The whole exchange earlier. So
yeah.
Lindsey: she was gifted to him in the tent, that was a marriage ceremony. It's where they were cleaning him up and everything before
that.
Andrew: yeah. Yeah. [01:20:00] Very, also very fun. Little secret. Okay. I smell like, you know, it's
fun. Yeah.
Lindsey: now. Stop washing my feet. It's
Andrew: Yeah. That is Stargate. That is the film Stargate.
Lindsey: dun,
dun, yeah. It's fun. Despite its flaws that are still, I think, a fun movie.
Andrew: Well, first of all, I think we both recommend this film. Is that
fair to say? I do recommend this movie.
Lindsey: I do recommend this film.
Andrew: I probably recommend it more than the Super Nintendo game to be quite honest with you. I feel like feel like the Super Nintendo game was frustratingly difficult.
I don't know if I beat it in the weekend. I had it from Blockbuster, but more importantly,
where does this fit in your Kurt Russell movie ranking
Lindsey: Hmm.
Andrew: Let's see. I'm going to, I'm going to tell you your top five. If you don't have it in front of you right now, we have the thing
Lindsey: for it.
Andrew: escape from New York, big trouble in little China, tombstone and Silkwood are your top five
Lindsey: this is kind of like, [01:21:00]
Andrew: Yeah.
Lindsey: Yeah, don't worry, it's not gonna be down that far. It's not, have to worry about this being beat by the one and only genuine original family band.
So, this is gonna go, yeah, this is gonna go between Tombstone and Big Trouble in Little China.
Andrew: Oh, look at that! Number four. Okay.
Lindsey: Because this is one where my childhood nostalgia for it has not been wrecked, even if I understand the aspects of it that are kind of dubious
Andrew: That's amazing. That's, that's great. I am also so I'm going to put this, I'm looking at my, I'm looking at my list here. I still feel very strongly about my top five.
Lindsey: five is solid, yeah.
Andrew: Yeah. I actually, I feel very strongly about my top six, but I, I think I'm going to put this just after Tombstone, but above Silkwood.
That feels like a really good spot for me for this one in terms of how much similar zone for both of [01:22:00] us, like, right around Tombstone. I, you know, I don't know if it's going to um, you know, I
don't, yeah, I don't anticipate it staying in the top 10, but for right now, let's keep it there. That's
great. Stargate's amazing. I had a good time with this.
This big,
this big, silly film.
Lindsey: Yeah.
Andrew: Oh man. It's good to podcast. You know, it's good to
Lindsey: Got your podcast again, it's been so long.
Andrew: I had to talk about this movie. I had to this is going to be great. We have a run. I don't want to speak out of turn here, but uh, let's see, we have one, three. So like the next four movies specifically these four, for whatever reason, but mid to late nineties, I have a very fond remembrance of these movies of the Kurt Russell oeuvre.
Lindsey: Mean, I think that makes sense just based on our age. Like,
Andrew: it was like the right time and place for
Lindsey: we could start seeing these in theaters as [01:23:00] they, you know.
Andrew: yeah, and and then it's 3, 000 miles to Graceland after that, once we get into the aughts, which would be season four of, of this show there's a, there is a weird period of time where I didn't see a lot of Kurt Russell movies. I saw Vanilla Sky. And have a remembrance of really liking that movie. I don't know if it's any good, but I do remember liking that movie.
And then nothing really until Death Proof for me. Oh, maybe Poseidon, but certainly Death Proof. So, so this is going to be great. And we have. A number of us on board for Executive Decision, which is our next film, which I'm very excited for which is not Air Force One, you know, it's not, it's not that one.
Lindsey: Nope, not not that President on a Plane movie.
Andrew: it's not that one. It's, it's also not Broken Arrow, which for a second, I also thought it might have been, but that's like, that's a John Travolta film. It's not that one. Executive Decision. Have you ever seen that movie? I don't think I have. I am aware of it. I know that it's [01:24:00] like one of the other President on the Plane movies that all came out in a sort of proximity to each other, but I don't think I have seen it.
I, so I've only seen the, like what we had discussed earlier, like the TBS cut of executive decisions. So I've never, I've
only ever, yeah.
Lindsey: out.
Andrew: So I've, I've certainly missing like a ton of important plot points because they needed to fit it in the 90 minutes
Lindsey: Yeah.
Andrew: or whatever. So, I am excited to check that one out. That'll be fun. That'll be on our next episode, which hopefully is not months from now.
That's, That's, the goal. And I believe Eric is joining us on that one. So that'll also be a lot of fun.
Lindsey: That'll be fun.
With his smooth, smooth podcasting voice.
Andrew: Yeah, it gets I don't know if he's like real close to the microphone or what he what he does It's like you get that proximity effect where you get like real like you're up here.
You're like sound like NPR a little bit
Lindsey: He's doing the Roman Mars thing.[01:25:00]
Andrew: Yeah, exactly exactly
where Can people find and keep up with you on the internet? I know you're like many of us probably dropped off of, of, of Twitter
Lindsey: Yeah. I'm still
on there,
Andrew: Yeah,
Lindsey: I wouldn't expect a speedy response.
Andrew: sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Lindsey: I still check it every once in a while, but like I'm not on there regularly. The best place would definitely be my Instagram, Lindsey Cameron Nelsen N E L S E N. And as always. All gelato, but if you like that, then it is a quality feed for
Andrew: Amazing. Yeah. You're, I mean, again, it all looks delicious and on point thematically when here's what I, here's, here's the fun game I've been doing with your work. Now you also, do you cross post that to Facebook? Do I see that on there or Maybe
not? Maybe it's just when I checked.
Lindsey: No, I do.
Andrew: What I'd like to do is, because you're, I mean, you hold the honor of, I believe the only person that I know that photographs Gelato in, in [01:26:00] a, not, not necessarily macro, but a certainly very close up type format.
So I know it's you. So my, my thing is, I look at the picture before I read the caption. I try to guess what you have done. And I am, oh, for as many as I've seen, I have never guessed correctly, but I love trying. So,
Lindsey: I mean, sometimes it's decorated with the ingredients, so that should help give you
Andrew: that's true. It just goes to show how bad I am at the you know, at the guessing of it. But I'm but I always, I'm like, wow, that's some art stuff right there.
Lindsey: thank you. But that's really funny because that's very similar to an in person game that we do whenever my family members come over to visit or anything. We pull all of the different flavors that I currently have out of the freezer, and then they have to blind taste them and try and figure out what the ingredients are.
That's funny.
Andrew: Oh, That's fun.
Lindsey: Yeah, we all sit around a table and do it.
Andrew: Amazing. I love that. All right. Okay. It's new goal is to get invited to this situation here. So I got to
Lindsey: [01:27:00] ever in California,
Andrew: No, that's good. Okay. Noted. Noted. You can find me on our discord, I guess I
Lindsey: Yeah, I'm there too.
Andrew: would have thought, I mean, I, you know, as someone who really, really enjoyed social media for a period of time, I don't really engage with it that much anymore.
I would say, I guess, follow me on Instagram. I do post stories from time to time. It's mostly like the work that I'm doing. For instance, I, I posted a story the other night. I was at Grace Kelly's house here in Philadelphia. That was like, let's not open to the public. I just had like a gig that I was working on there and I was told, Hey, there's a really good chance that the Prince of Monaco will see this.
And I'm like, I wish I would have known that before I took the gig would have brought more equipment guys. Shit. but I,
Lindsey: this a little differently.
Andrew: right. I w I would have, I would have approached this completely differently. But I took a picture of they in their living room. They have they're obviously Kelly. [01:28:00] They're Irish. They have this chalice that is they, there are families somehow acquired, or I believe was gifted.
I can't remember the exact circumstances of it, but like a chalice, an Irish chalice from like 1480. And I'm like, I would, I would not drink out of that thing. You're definitely going to get cursed if you drink out of that fricking thing, but it was very cool. So. Yup. If that's the kind of content you're into me, commenting on various arts and
artifacts,
Lindsey: jealousies. Yeah
Andrew: then you are in for a treat at dark driving on Instagram.
Otherwise. I hope to see you in the discord. I think that's it. I think we're done.
Lindsey: I think we're done.
Andrew: I'm going to press this button. That's loud. Lindsey, as always thank you for joining us, everyone. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for the emails. We are going to get back to many of them. And yeah, we're back.
We're
Lindsey: you. Goodbye.
Andrew: So in the immortal words of Jack Burton, sit tight, hold the fort. Keep the home fires burning. [01:29:00]