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We're talking about Hollywood
Talking about the movie business if you've watched previously, you know that all of us here are involved in the movie business, especially Jordan Bush
Prophetic career he's out. He's gone
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In an undisclosed location because we don't dox ourselves. That's right
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It's like North America someone get some good AI on this stat
Yeah, somebody get that that dude who can you know diagnosed if if you show him a leaf, you know
He knows right where you are. He carries his keys in his rectum. So just get him and pull him out
Anyway, we're gonna be talking do we do it? You want to an intro again JD like usual JD introduce yourself. Yeah
JD Bitcoin ad guy. I love Megan ads. What about you bond or?
Bond or guilty plea. I've been around Bitcoin for a bit
I've had a career trying Mike really trying to just nail this thing this little this little intro piece
So here's what I got working on working on so far. I've had a career in
Finance
entertainment
education
and the last one is
Engineering and I've seen how
Fiat can ruins all of it and I'm burned a lot of bridges to get here, but I'm
Set on Bitcoin redeeming at all. So that's
Anton sign my ex bio just says film in Bitcoin. That's enough
Bush
Can you guys see me
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Okay, just tell me I'm backstage. It's tell me the backstage. Anyhow, so yeah, so I am the executive director of TGFB media
We help Christians understand and use Bitcoin for the glory of God the good of people everywhere
I was a missionary pastor and now I help people understand Bitcoin full-time
Joe that's the way you do a bio
Perfect. Yeah, I need to work on mine Pike rock and roll
I'm Corey Pike and co-founder of indie hub studio and
Hollywood film film and television producer
Dope, I'm Zach founder of indie hub studio
worked in film and TV pretty much my whole career and
Here we are. So today's topic. We're gonna talk a little bit about AI and filmmaking. I just went to
the
International AI Film Festival
over this last weekend and
I
Don't know man. Lots of report. I went in
Kind of nervous, you know, like this is either gonna be the most cringe thing
I've ever been a part of or I'm gonna lose my job tomorrow. It's sort of one or the other
and
To be honest, it was a little bit of both. It wasn't really it wasn't really cringe, but I was shocked
I was honestly shocked at how
How far along this tech has come? I've just sort of avoided the topic
just out of
General a it takes a lot of time to like dive into this stuff. But but be it's it's it's a little bit scary
I mean AI has been really effective in a lot of other ways
I've been using it myself quite a bit for various activities and I have to say that you know
I you know kind of coming out of it
I do think that we're on the we're on the precipice of a new medium
And it is moving faster than than anybody could really imagine I think
Yeah, I don't know Anton you got any questions you can lead me around
Yeah, it seems like we're in an exponential growth phase of AI
Yeah, I mean tell us about the festival you went to were there
Was it people who have made?
short films who are
like showing the films just like a normal film festival, or was it more of a
Like a expo type of thing. Yeah, so I'm traditional film festival. They kind of did three short blocks
over at the Los Feliz Theater across from Fred 62 and
The the vibe I got I only did the third block so I wasn't there the whole day
I did an hour and then I listened to one of the panels they did and
What it seemed like to me is really you had a bunch of filmmakers in there kind of traditional filmmakers
They had they had the zoom going so they had people from all over the world and some of the filmmakers zooming in
You know this one woman from Korea
She's a teaches film in Korea, so you know filmmaker
professor
You had people from USC in in our industry kind of teaching film working on AI
You know people who run production companies out here have been in traditional docs narratives people who work at studios
Some other people who are just massive AI enthusiasts, but honestly mostly filmmakers mostly people who are somewhat familiar with the business I
You know I've been noticing that in the film world just like and so many things it's kind of easier to ask for
Forgiveness than permission, and I think a lot of studios and a lot of filmmakers have treated AI this way
I mean take that you had the Roadrunner the Anthony Bourdain movie. I watched that whole movie
I knew that they had used his voice at some point and done like an AI I forgot about it completely
I watched the whole movie, and I was like wait a second there was AI
Voice over and it might have been the whole movie. I don't even know
And then Peter Jackson did that World War one movie where he took little
square like eight millimeter film and
Made it into widescreen widescreen
35 millimeter
4k then he did the one with the Beatles where they didn't even know what the guys were saying they went and recreated their voices
And and made it 4k so you could actually hear what they were saying in their voices, and there wasn't even audio of it
I just saw that Netflix is
They took an 80s sitcom
And they upscaled it to 1080 and it's supposedly
Horrifying because like little little girls who are in the background look like bald men and
So anyway all that's just to say that AI is being used no matter
What you're hearing because you're hearing a lot of people say that oh
We're not gonna allow it in Hollywood because it'll kill the film industry and like no no it's been being used for years
Yeah, so what are some of the ways that you see things going in the short term well?
I mean, it's it's interesting. It's like any new tech right you you had you know a lot of the discussions and panels
We were talking about regulation talking about unions the last contract negotiations Warner Brothers
You know supposedly was like oh, we're not gonna use AI and you know the unions kind of won that argument
But like of course they are they're gonna go create another division or whatever that wasn't in the contract and do whatever the fuck
They were doing anyway
I'll say this and then I'll get more specific
I've said this to you guys in different context, but I I think that you know
We as a as a species we entered the information age
and I think very rapidly a byproduct of us entering the information age is that the actual age we're in is the age of discernment and
Being able to discern the truth out of a massive amount of noise
And possibly fake you know fake visuals and fake information and lies is going to be the defining factor of our time
Because this stuff is incredibly difficult
Especially if you're looking at you know looking at it on a two-dimensional screen, or you're looking at you know information coming from a screen
To discern what the truth is it's remarkable and moving quickly
I would say
You know in 2008
The industry went through a similar transition you had politics technology and economics sort of collapse it and
A whole new businesses were born. I mean YouTube stars weren't a thing 20 years ago
and they're a thing today and I
Think that we're going to see an entirely new category of filmmaker come out
I saw some remarkable stuff done over a matter of weeks
You know I
Will say though that
The tools themselves are I'm convinced of this are we're going to remain tools and that the artist is
Going to be the most important part
You're using these tools to tell stories you're using these tools to convey something that is uniquely human and
Human beings will connect to things that are uniquely human and they won't to things that that aren't
So I think that creativity raw creativity is
Going to be more valuable than ever
You know one way to look at it
I was having this conversation with somebody recently like you know to make a movie
Let's say let's say just go back to celluloid days. Let's go back to 20 years ago 25 years ago making a movie was an incredibly
expensive technical
You know drawn out process and a lot of people made their living
By being willing to do the technical shit that really creative people weren't willing to do
Like I'm gonna go learn how to mix sound I'm gonna go learn how to do color on a da Vinci
I'm gonna learn how to do this hyper technical thing that a director. You know which is really God on a movie set or should be
Wasn't really interested in doing and so this these massive industries were built
Doing all of this technical stuff that creative people didn't really want to do to tell a story. I would say that
Almost all of that at least as far as if you're saying you're gonna go make an AI movie like that's out
You know there's still room to be technical and you but but more importantly than other than anything is can you be?
Specific and can you tell a good story? Do you know how the structure of story works?
You know can you?
Can you build tension and can you release it in the right ways and at the right moment at the right beat?
Do you have characters that people can relate to do you have a story? That's relevant to human beings, so?
I think a bunch of technical people
are gonna be out and I think a bunch of other people that would have never been able to get into the industry because of
the spiderweb of
technicians
Are going to be able to tell stories that would have never been told before
You know and that's really just from the creative side. I mean
from the like social media we can go make a
Visual that looks like things that are actually happening. You know like for example
One of the one of the things that always gets people with Trump is a
Lot of the leftists are like I got it
You know he said that he
Nazis are great people and I'm they told it he told everybody to drink bleach
And I'm like he literally fucking did not pull up a video that said that shows him telling people to drink bleach
And they can't do it because it doesn't fucking exist
but with this tech
Zero question that those videos will start to exist and we're gonna start to get really fucking confused from a news media perspective
But I do think we got to delineate you know storytelling and filmmaking from the other stuff
But the the thing that's confusing in the middle
There is like the documentary side of things like one of the guys who won most of the awards really cool
Dude talk to him all night
He he did his film was called Lincoln at Gettysburg
And he basically did the Gettysburg address with Lincoln giving the speech and of course it's all AI generated
and he had all this b-roll of the war and
combat and
You know just really really well done stuff, and it conveys a message
And and it has a point, but we're gonna get to a point where you're like fuck, man
I got was that Lincoln at Gettysburg. You know a kid growing up in you know 25 or 30 years from now
You're not gonna know what an old photo the real photo was versus what you're seeing on a screen
Yeah, wow
Yeah from the storytelling perspective. I'm curious if anybody has a really negative take on where they think that
Filmmaking and like the film industry and storytelling is going in the near future if you have a negative take
hyper-negative I
I would be curious to
Just piggyback on the the last comment that Zack made and it's it's I
Don't necessarily know filmmaking is a be we're gonna have the problem
I think the problem we're gonna have is media and by that I mean like mass psychosis like this is essentially MK ultra in
real time and it's a
You know I think one of the things that we're seeing with
And when you know all the stuff coming out about the JFK files potentially and like Epstein stuff, yeah
What's gonna be really interesting is what's actually real like the wild part to think about with like the Epstein stuff that hasn't come out
Are they making stuff up to plant on people like we're in this world now where?
verifiability of
core or rather
first
Research I'm blanking on what is it the the actual witnesses like of actual valid sources of like the source material
That's what I'm looking for like source material
verifiability is so
Challenging with digital stuff, that's why you know the Dead Sea Scrolls are so
Important as a text for history not even just Christianity
But like for history is it's a thing that they found a bunch of times over and now on the internet
You know if I want to make a picture of a dick, but it's immediately verifiable as a dick, but everywhere
But like who made the original dick, but who cares like you know, I don't know it's interesting
So if they were going to take his Epstein files right now if they were just to release those files right now
Would JD would you even?
Believe any of them like if they release videos of Epstein there were like evidence videos. Would you believe any of them?
This is the challenge is honestly
I don't know like if the funny thing is to we know this tech has existed since the Obama era
Because they kept saying in the 2016 election watch out for deep fakes
And so this tech has been around for a long time and they've been trying to tell people don't believe your lying eyes
Rightfully, but don't believe your lying eyes for a long time
But I do think it wasn't as good back then for sure
And so I think a lot of it was that was kind of air cover for them to be able to like have
Crap like shady malicious stuff come out and then for them to be like all this is fake
I think now it would actually be fake. And so to your point of like
Yeah, five years ago I would I would have believed him now when they do come out
I'm gonna have questions
Yeah, I mean, I think you think of something like the like the the steel dossier right where they're like
Oh, you know strippers and you know, like sex tape with Trump
You're just like they can convincingly make like make that tape now and like just drop it on some site somewhere and people would be
Like, oh, you know like it again. It just would be like the door brothers already did
Yeah, sure. Yeah, but I just think I mean, yeah, there's just so many
Terrifying ways that this kid this could go
Like I would love to ask Corey like is this or not Corey Zack was it's kind of your take
Because I've talked to programmers who are looking at you know
Chad GBT and these other tools and they're basically like they're kind of take away which is kind of my my realization was it's not going
To eliminate
It's not going to eliminate the jobs of people who know what they're doing people who are already know what they're doing are gonna be
Able to learn learn how to use these AI tools and they're gonna be way more productive
Like is that kind of what your takeaway is as well in the film front in addition to like the the novel stuff
That's gonna happen
You know the novel tools and just normal people's hands. Yeah, I I think that
Same thing that happened in 2008 the pile of shit at the bottom is going to get massive
Yeah, it's going to get absolutely huge but the cream always rises I think it'll take you know years if not a decade and a
half to
Kind of settle a workflow for it
But I think that I think that
voices and brilliant storytellers
Globally people that would have never in a million years had an opportunity to tell good stories will have an opportunity to tell good stories
and
You know the big budget live-action
Kind of projects. I think that those will dwindle
I I
Think I think ultimately the market is going to expand like I people are always afraid
Oh, it's just gonna take jobs. It's gonna take jobs like no, this is this is going to blow up
this industry in terms of a dollar amount
by
multiple times
It's gonna take a while to settle but projects that could have never been greenlit before are going to start getting greenlit
So, you know, it's just you got to deal with the pile of crap at the bottom and people who are gonna get fatigued by that
You know audience members are gonna be like I was just like too much shit to watch
But yeah, I don't know if that answer the question
Yeah, I want to actually you to you Corey. I actually want to tap on that like as
Somebody who's done development and knowing there's new access for people with these tools
Like how do you see the the landscape changing over the next 5-10 years?
Especially now having been in like Italy for a while. Like what's the what's the
How do you see this?
Revolution like bringing about like a new renaissance and filmmaking and like what does that mean?
Yeah
I mean when I look at a film budget
the things the things that are the most costly that don't show up the most on screen are a lot of the things that AI
addresses like sound is insanely expensive and
AI
Cleaning up of sound has gotten so much better and from my perspective on an independent film. Do I need three sound guys now?
No, I probably need one, right?
You know
Those are the types of things that I see VFX is like this massive thing when you when you walk into an animation project
That's like 60% 70% of your budget is just just like paying animators and and computer-generated things
Those things are the computers are using are being used for those things anyway
and the the I think you're just gonna see a massive reduction in cost in those sorts of things and those are all kind of
below the
Below the line type things all of those things all of that tech all of that work is in support of a creator vision
so from a Hollywood film perspective
AI is doing absolutely nothing in my opinion to remove the director and the writer as being the the center of the film medium
There's it's just slowly and surely and increasingly fast making it easier for them to get their vision out there
So Zack, I agree with you in one sense that the pile of crap at the bottom will grow
But I would say if you ask any of your people who aren't in Hollywood at all
How much are you actually watching right at peak television at the peak fiat?
nonsense of printing money and sending it into Hollywood just
Inventing value out of nowhere and pretending that the industry was as a big as it was we made I think it was
700 TV shows at the peak of that that year and then there were about
14,000 movies and how many did you watch right and I'm in the industry and it's my job to stay on top of all that
Stuff and I probably watched
120 movies that year and maybe 30 series right and I watch an enormous amount of stuff for my job
Which means
99% of everything that was made I didn't watch as a professional in the industry and if that number just
Grows at the bottom. It's just nonsense, right? I think about old movies and I watch a lot of old movies and
watching like
Rashomon or diehard or
Heat or some other thing some other movies when you go back and watch them now and you say that's a little cliche
Some creator figured out that this is a formula that works right Rashomon invented the unreliable narrator and diehard made the modern
pacing for an action movie or the first one to figure that out and then since then there's been
Thousands of people who can't come up with that level of idea on their own
recreating it
And just like reproducing it based on a formula that someone else figured out some of those movies are fine
Most of them are absolute garbage
I think AI is gonna allow for that sort of recreation to happen
But I think it will allow the people that actually want the next thing whatever the next generation is gonna do
It's gonna people aren't gonna stop looking for that next thing that next creator voice
So I think I see the bottom of the pyramid getting really big but it's it's just a bigger mess of cheaper nonsense
Right, like the Hallmark movie. It's just been imitating the rom-coms that worked from 30 years ago
I think that's just gonna keep keep growing that mess at the bottom
I don't think it really does anything at all
to remove the the fact that the creators that figure out the next formula that works for the next generation are
Incredibly necessary and incredibly central to being
Culturally responsive. Yeah, I I agree. I you know, the cream always rises
and
Ultimately the market is doing what the market does and it's opening it up to competition
You know
That's kind of my kind of what I was trying to say earlier like it was a very closed
system because you had this highly technical spiderweb that was in the way of doing the producing and
Really a lot of people who are creative got edged out
And they're not gonna be edged out. They're gonna be attacking this with a vengeance and
And yeah, I mean, I think there's gonna be some revolutionary stuff going on
You know from a story structure standpoint, there's gonna be more we're going
We're gonna be able to iterate
Faster and faster and faster and we'll see what works faster and faster and faster
but I think you know, I can I would say for sure that
you know the Hollywood that we grew up with and
You know, that's it. I think it's dead. It's done. It's over. It might have a few last gasps, but
Yeah, it's it's pretty remarkable what they're up to
There's a really so I've been watching the Star Wars and Timeline order and
if you
Not that I recommend you do this, but I'm just like which I was just gonna do it
But watching a timeline order is fascinating because all of these series and TV shows like a half dozen TV shows with multiple seasons
came out like and then there they they
Are before and after the original movies and if you watch these series you see character development you see like a
whole hood like that's just character development like group like the group's
character gets developed and you get to see how their friends are and how they interact with their world and like all this other stuff and
then you watch the original three Star Wars movies and it's like
what the like what is this this is like this feels like a
Like almost an insult to the audience because you're like Luke goes through this thing where
I'm gonna butcher this specific example, but it's something like
He flies a plane one time and then he's the best pilot that anyone's ever seen and then he blows up the Death Star
But I met a chlorine count is super high. We all know this but they don't even
It's not as Mel de Corrine count
It's not as Mel de Corrine count. It's that every single other person in the entire fleet of rebels
Recognizes that Luke is the best pilot they have
After flying one time and you're just like this it's not human at all. It's just pure
1970s storytelling and
The point is I'm trying to get to is that with AI?
You're gonna have the this crazy amount of breath to actually like dig into characters because all of that
Garbage that you had to produce like oh, we you know to
garbage, right
all of the all of the
set design and everything else that you had to put together to get all these characters to to fill out all of these seasons is
Just gonna be so much easier and that goes Corey. It's the same thing with them
What's the what's the big screen that everyone shoots on now?
It's like all LED wall, right like
Instead of doing these crazy
Practical sets just do an 80 LED wall and then you're like, okay cool
We got an entire world we and the person can interact with that world
you know to some degree and then
Okay, cool. We can flush out this this whole broader deeper thing
And I see that happening with AI as well and but in a different capacity, it's just it just makes it more
Accessible
It to you
It kind of has this interesting blend of there's gonna be like this weird middle ground where it's not animation and it's not live-action
I saw a few of these movies at the fest that like
Really really blended the two well, and some of them went like full animation style
They had their own visual, you know, totally their specific, you know book
Other ones tried to be hyper real, but you're still gonna have this
Fuck you
Yeah, I it's it's definitely going to blend a lot of genres and it'll be interesting to see like what
What what genres come out of AI and what ones are the most specific what ones are the best?
What is AI the best genre as a tool for if that makes sense?
Anton I'm curious your take on
Like I would argue Breaking Bad is the best series ever made and people can fight me on that one
But I really think they did a phenomenal job
But the main reason is the best job that it was on the page like
Vince Gilligan was was interviewed over and over again
He would say like the goal was to paint ourselves in a way that would make us feel like we were in the right place
Vince Gilligan was was interviewed over and over again. He would say like the goal was to paint ourselves into a corner and
I'm just really curious your take on do you think we're gonna get to a place where?
It's gonna be harder to do that because of AI because like people are not paying themselves in a box
Like it is is story going to suffer or is it gonna get is it gonna change because I feel like the way we understand
stories
Not gonna change like that's just a human thing
Yeah, you know Cory was saying how he basically was saying that all art is derivative and essentially somebody makes this
This first thing that's kind of new and then it's accessible. And so a lot of people
Copy it and you know, like a year ago two years ago. I heard people saying oh, hey
I'll never make things as good as a human being
It seems more like we basically were being AI
We were just doing it really really slowly and we were just copying and copying and copying and making worse copies of the thing that
Every once in a while something new would come out and you know, we're talking about these different ways that AI can be used right now
AI can make really great animation
It's already great for that or it can it can fill in little gaps and things but then we're talking about volume stages
There's ways that you could just film somebody
Without a volume stage and AI can add the lighting to their face can change the background
or
like
Personally, I'm doing a project right now where I needed a mountain lion in the background like walking through it through the trees
so kind of far in the background I
Can film a real shot have the mountain lion put into the background
No one will be able to tell if this was a year ago
I would have had to pay some VFX house to make a 3d rendering of a mountain lion or
to do some sort of rotoscoping and take a shot of a mountain lion from like a nature documentary and place it in the
Trees and I can know just you just get a practical mountain lion. Why would you not just use a practical real mountain lion?
What's the problem right here? You wanna hear a funny story about that real quick. There's that guy. His name's Wolfgang Bayer
He was a he was a nature documentarian back in like the 60s and 70s
They used to fake all the nature documentaries
So they would they would pretend that Death Valley was the Serengeti
And so they wanted to get this shot of a mountain lion
Like who was like starving to death and was drinking but the mountain lion was kind of fat and out of shape
It was just what they had available to him. So they drove him out to Death Valley
They completely dehydrated the mountain lion and then they like made a puddle and they released the mountain lion
So it would go and drink and they're like, he doesn't really works kind of fat
But whatever people buy it right as they did this a family pulls up in a station wagon
jumps out of the car and is like whoa a mountain lion the mountain lion turns looks at one of the kids and
Instinct takes over and the mountain lion attacks one of the kids and mauls them didn't kill him
But I want to say it was Disney too who did it?
So this kid got like two million dollars in the lawsuit from the nature documentary
I'm gonna we don't get sued but yes
We will confirm that it was Disney if not, we're sorry
I'm pretty sure the book is called a wildlife by Wolfgang Bayer. It's really good, but we don't have to do stuff like that anymore
One thing put pose this question to the group
One of the things that I was thinking about in the film fest was that becomes really apparent
And kind of to what you guys are saying is like all of this shit was fake anyway
You know, there's the definition the best definition of acting I ever heard is that you're behaving truthfully under imaginary circumstances and
The thing that was magical about movies back in the day is there was this magician like quality
To trick us into believing that a thing was happening
Like, you know in Jurassic Park came out. It was like, holy fucking shit. This is real
And one of the things that just
Has been a an abject failure as far as I'm concerned with with CGI is
They're not even really trying to trick us
They're like the magician craft has sort of gone and they just everybody accepts odds computer-generated and we just make it the most cool outlandish
Explosion we can imagine but there's real magic in
Looking at something and and being like, holy fucking shit. How did they do that? And
One of the probably like
The lead the most disappointing thing about the AI thing maybe the most negative take to your previous question Anton is like
That
Mystery is gone
and that was such a huge part of the movie watching experience when things were live-action and they were able to
Put something on a camera that you like pre CGI that you knew had to be real to some extent
To some extent but you also know it's it's an illusion of some kind
I mean, this is what the original silent movies were really great out
They were able to do these camera tricks and do really cool shit to make something look real that wasn't and I I think that that
might be permanently gone in the age of AI which I
Don't totally agree that I don't totally agree that it's totally gone because there's enough examples of it working
I think it's just very in our face
How much the big studios could not care less about that anymore
Right an example of something that works. What do you mean?
So Godzilla minus one opened against the Marvels
Godzilla minus one cost 15 million dollars the Marvels cost 300 million dollars and they made about the same amount of money
Which is insane and Godzilla minus one is a thoughtful
Post World War two Japanese drama about a guy living with survivors guilt as a kamikaze pilot who bailed on his duty
And doesn't think he should be alive anymore and the villain of that movie happens to be Godzilla
It's just artful filmmaking that works so well and it's CGI to the absolute
Maximum or another example is like the Batman the Robert Pattinson one. Most people don't know
I would imagine even people on this call that 95% of that movie was shot on an LED wall
And if you look at that movie versus like one of the more recent Star Wars shows where Disney clearly does not care at
All whether you believe all of their sets are in the shape of an ellipsis. That's insane
It's like it's so obvious
You just you you built an LED wall and now you have to use it
but Matt Reeves does it with the Batman and all of a sudden you're transported to a gothic world where
You're like actually like Christopher Nolan was like maybe maybe Gotham's like Chicago and a little bit of Pittsburgh
And that reason is like what if the entire city was a gothic Cathedral, right?
He's there. There are still people taking the tech and trying to trick you in a way. That's actually like meaningful and artistic
I think it's just in the big budget movies
Not only do they not care but the quality has gone significantly down like gladiator 2 vs. Gladiator 1
Right Zack. We could go we could do a whole podcast on this. Don't get me started
I know the water tank. I've shot in the water tank in Malta that they used where they shot
I know the people that shot it and they still CGI the water
That's insanity
Why did you do that? You shot in a water tank and then you use CGI to make water
It's it's terrible and it's just terrible work
So I think part of what you're reacting to is what I react to as well
Which is you have 250 million dollars to make a movie and you just did a bad job, you know
It's just bad
Agreed on that entirely. I I I think specifically though just like
The ability to not know how they did a thing on a screen to be like how in the fuck did they do that?
I think that's I think that's kind of gone because now we just go out somehow they tricked us with computers
they they did something crazy with computers, but back in the day it was like
How in the fuck is that even possible? What?
Jordan do you think they actually kind of just popped up a question for me?
but do you think it's going to be harder for people to
Believe the Bible like believe the stories of the Old Testament believe the miracles believe these things and the world of AI like are we
gonna have a crisis of faith for our kids where it's like
They're just like oh, that's just made up
Maybe believable. Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna say the exact same thing
Maybe maybe more believable. I I don't know. I mean, it's a good question
I think there's the thing that's been interesting to me
I'm I'm like optimistic is this gonna open up more avenues for people who again wouldn't be able to find funding
To do this in Hollywood. Is it gonna open up?
You know open up that capacity to a whole new, you know a whole new group of people
And so again one example of this is there's they released a couple weeks ago or last week or something
It's called the life of David. I think
Something like the house of David the house of David on
Prime video and so it's like this series that's like live-action mixed with some, you know
CGI stuff and it's really scripturally based
And so again, I don't know what the process was. You can definitely tell there's some CGI in there
It's not totally believable, but it's not awful. And then the actual scripting is fantastic
And so I'm like more optimistic that again, there's just there's a whole bunch of just really good really
Complex stories in the scripture that I just it's for the life of me
I don't understand why people haven't been haven't been making it and I think again
This would be more of the thing would be like the concern I have would be okay
Now you've got you've got gazillions of people who live out in Hollywood who you know
Everybody's got a script from what I understand, you know, you've got tons of people who've got these scripts everyone left
What'd you say?
Everyone left
But like I just think like is this gonna is this gonna expand like you're gonna have like the the note the people who are
tangentially
Connected to people in the film industry is there's like they're gonna be more of those people who get their projects greenlit with smaller budgets
And so again, you get this mountain of crap at the bottom
Like that'd be more of the concern because like again, one of the problems is just like it's not the technical problem
It's something like Emilia Perez like that movie, which I haven't seen it
But from all accounts is absolute dog crap
like it's like insane horrible movie and yet and like there's people who were like astounded that it got selected for Best Picture and yet
It's still got
Selected so like it's it's one thing to actually be able to do like mechanically do the work and show create these films
It's another thing to
To just be like, all right
There's there's like the the taste involved of the audience is something that's a moving target
And that's something that like you can have people actually learn to embrace in like garbage stuff
And so that's part of the be part of the concern, too
It's like no
It's like we go to the grocery store and almost all the food is just atrocious and yet people are still buying it
People are still eating it. And so that that's a concern as well that that I you know
I'm somewhat optimistic that it you know
By virtue of being able to create better content and by people by virtue of people who who are smart and who are you know?
Moral and ethical and and also have really good ideas. Like I'm hopeful that they're gonna be able to get their
Content made and then it won't be so much of an issue or at least they'll be more to contrast
How bad just ethically and and just aesthetically some of the stuff that's being lauded out there right now is I don't know if that makes
Oh, so uh Zack you've you've touched on this point a lot, which is we're entering the age of discernment
which is to say
It's all gonna be AI but what's gonna matter is is like
oh, I have to actually think about because you're gonna see you're gonna see Trump like
doing something that is just absolutely insane and then you're gonna see another like the
The footage of of during of the exact same time like the exact same angle like the exact same thing happening
Totally, it's a totally different thing. We've already seen some of this too
But you're gonna have to decide as a viewer
What do I believe and what am I gonna believe how do I discern the truth here?
And I think that to go back to your question JD
I think that that is a training process that everyone's like you do not have the option to not think anymore
You can't just turn on the TV and turn your mind off and be like, yeah, I trust the news anchor. Definitely
No, no, you have to now think and what that's gonna do is it's gonna force people into this pattern of like if I don't
Think I'm gonna get burned. I'm gonna get scammed. I'm gonna get like
My relationships are going to be destroyed like it's a whole thing and then that you know
jumps back into
What do I okay. So what do I think about God? What do I think about the Bible?
how like I need to actually like really
go through the steps and the processes of thinking through this as
Best as I can and then also learning the tools about how to think better
Go through going through logic and rhetoric and understanding, you know fallacies and the whole the whole
Argumentative process of
Convincing yourself or persuading yourself or other people. It's gonna be it's gonna be interesting
Do you think a lot of people care to think though?
This is what I was gonna talk about JD. I I like your terms that I call it the trust economy
Which is basically what we had before
Mass media what you know came about right?
It which was you only really can trust the people that you see face to face and that you know
The people that have earned your trust and I think that's what we'll return to you
I think it's gonna be a brutal adjustment period because we've had a very long run of
And all of us, you know
If we're honest with ourselves at some point have seen a news story that fits something that we wanted to be true and just believed
it before
Right, like we can all probably point to hundreds of those right where we go back and like that didn't turn out to be totally
What I thought it was but I definitely wanted that to be true. So I believed it right on its face and
You know, I think I think this this group of guys is very committed to truth
So we're you know, we're probably on that bleeding edge of like, all right
I just don't want to be a deceived whatever the answer is
I'd rather know the answer and
You know
I think I think what you're getting at Bonder and Zach you as well is like if you as much as you don't live in
Reality you will get burned by not living in reality
Like there's no other option like if you believe that sugar doesn't make you fat
You're welcome to believe that but you will get fat, right?
You know
It's that that's that sort of like like like bringing up of reality as much as you want to believe the deception
That's being offered to you. You're welcome to do that. You're just gonna get met by the brick wall of reality, right?
and we have a second I have a more inappropriate way of saying that as well, but
probably not
I think
Go ahead. No, I was gonna say like the other thing that's the instant the instant feedback of like mockery
You know like that's I think like the fact that you and if you say something stupid on the internet
You can immediately get your you know
Get ratioed within 30 seconds by some anon account
But you can be you can be the president of the United States and get immediately ratioed and there's nothing you can do about it
I think like that's a that is a healthy corrective. I agree
It's interesting that you think about the like Bitcoin ramifications of that of like
you know zaps and
Bondo and I have talked about this but the the
Like Nostra is an interesting protocol because it's essentially
Creating a new social security number, but like a social security number. That's your nsec for
Trust where it's like hey, you have this identifier now that you can take with you
You know, I know fatty allows you to take you different places, you know Nostra you have yours
You can use it on zap dot stream. Like there's a lot of different of those protocols, but it's interesting the thought you had of like
The punishment layer I guess on top of that of like it can be instantaneous where it's like hey
I said something factually incorrect and you could actually have tech that's monitoring things. It's like hey, this is the truth
You're getting into then arbitration of like who's the arbiter of truth?
What is actually true that stuff but there can be like instant ramifications outside of mockery where it's like, hey, I had a
Instantaneous zap of my wallet got docked, you know, 20 sats or whatever was because I said something that was not correct
And I was intentionally trying to mislead people. I don't know. It's interesting. This is a thought. Yeah
Good, you know, we're talking about how you can fake things in media
You can you know
you had that meeting with Trump and Zelensky and a lot of people created these ones where they all of a sudden got into a
Fistfight or like throwing each other. That wasn't the real ones
So it's hard to believe that was real
It's hard to discern the real thing from the thing that AI created and and within storytelling in Hollywood
That is gonna happen with
Some dude in Bangladesh is going to make a movie that people are not going to be able to tell is not a Marvel movie
It'll be indistinguishable from what Hollywood is is putting out which is kind of exciting
It's also nice that we have this thing that unites us
Bitcoin where you actually can verify that something is real and has taken place and
And so in the in the world of imagery and storytelling, how do you verify anything anymore?
So there's some beauty to that because yeah, there's gonna be a lot of trash at the bottom
But there's gonna be people who were held out of Hollywood. There was no way in their entire lifetime
They could ever break into the industry and now they're just if they're good enough
They're just gonna be able to do it from anywhere in the world
What's what's kind of interesting is you think about what storytelling is?
It's
It's this, you know, let's go back like more traditional filmmaking
It's it's a bunch of people who are basically getting together and they're they're they're basically making up a lie
But the lies all serve a much bigger truth the the movies that we all agree were fantastic
Were in service of something much larger. That was true. So it was like this organized lie in order to
Express a superlative truth
Which I think is still is still totally viable in the AI world
But it begs the question of like
What what is it about those stories, you know, it's like the phrase like that rings true
Like when you hear a truth, you don't you don't need a bunch of fucking explanation behind it
It permeates through your body and you go. Ah, that's right
And you don't you don't need like a whole thesis on why it's right
Usually if you need a thesis on why something is, right?
You're you're wrong you're doing mental gymnastics to justify something that's obviously clearly not wrong on the inside
So, you know, it's it's like it's like the same game is being played where you you know, the lie, you know
Well I gets all the way around the world, you know
It gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on the truth is always behind the lie
But like a glacier it just demolishes those lies over time and those those lies go by the wayside and the truth continues to
propagate and permeate
I don't really have a point there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't know
I don't really have a point more just of an observation of like what a story what storytelling really is kind of an interesting little
You know
Well, yeah, that's why I think that's the positive. Yeah, go ahead on
I was gonna say that's why Hollywood's failing is because it's not because AI has
Opened the floodgates of filmmakers if because they started telling crappy stories. They started making bad movies
They were making their own sea of garbage. And so the truth is the movie is the movies are bad
Yeah, because they're not getting it they're not attempting to get in any kind of deeper truth, they're they're literally just fucking propaganda well, yeah
They think it's a deeper truth, but it's it's not it's just like some BS support like
Yeah, it's it's self-serving like that
They're telling self-serving stories rather than audience serving stories
Because like there's there's so many of these things where the odd like there is no demand for the stories that they're telling
Yeah, like there is no demand like nobody wants to hear a lot of these stories
Nobody wants to you know, like it that's just the reality. That's why if you don't get good ratings
It's largely because you're not telling a compelling story
there's obviously there could be other things but like one of the one of the things is like if you're not telling compelling stories that
Actually relate to the real people and so I think this is the thing is like when these guys are getting so much money
like when the when the checks are so big that you can afford to make a vanity project that is literally just in service of
You or your your boutique ideology that you know that that's true of you and 20 people and you know in California or something like that
Like you just it's the the incentives are misaligned
And so this is where I'd be hopeful that as you move to scarce money
Like you you move to like people where this is real
decisions that have to be made
People are not gonna be as willing to just cut the check for something that just is in service of a director and 50 people
Hollywood like they're gonna they're gonna be more
incentivized to try to make things
Because their money won't be able to be made as easily by getting cheap loans or whatever if you return to like a real cost
Of capital like I'm more optimistic that you're gonna start to get
You know stuff produced content produced. I know you guys don't like that word, but like films produced that
that that are actually in service of people and
society as a result instead of just again a small group of
You know people who have weird views on the world, but shameless plug shameless plug for Indy hub there
I mean like a to your point gonna say that
You you know you like to your point Jordan about getting ratioed on Twitter
You know that used to be called the box office
and if the fucking receipts weren't there you didn't have a fucking career like they voted you out immediately and
the audience did exactly the audience did exactly and when we use a
When you we get back to you know the idea of streaming value per second watched
And people are actually voting with real money
All of those incentives get realigned I mean right now the money is coming from publicly traded companies
Those are a few people that have agendas
But when the audience gets to start to vote again with with actual value you're gonna see
You're gonna see society reward the stories and the truths to your point like if you say something that's not true
You're gonna get ratioed if you tell a story, that's bad. You're not gonna get paid
So if we can realign those incentives correctly
The cream the cream will rise to the top. I mean it's no question
Reputation I'm really important in the film world. Yeah agreed Jordan
I made this point on your podcast a while back, but but but basically that money printing era in Hollywood
Now what we now see is this massive contraction. It's been going about on about 18 months, but that money printing in Hollywood
Flowed all this free money that was literally just printed
You know there was there was no extra consumer demand and we went from a film industry that was about 2x consumer demand to a
film industry that was about 6 or 7x consumer demand and then
The interest rates rose and the free money train stopped and there's this massive contraction
And there's all this hand wringing in
Hollywood and and people blaming people like David Zaslav for cutting things at Warner Brothers and that sort of thing this massive
Contraction back down to what the actual demand was and if you look at theatrical revenues
They haven't actually moved very much. They've gone down by like three four percent a year, which is a very minor contraction, right?
but the this
devastation of Hollywood is literally just going from 6x revenue to 2x revenue and
It was never there right there
It was a shell game the entire time and just returning back to to that
I'm optimistic for that right even as it's it's pretty devastating for you know for my industry
I'm optimistic that
Resettling around reality is the only way that it moves forward in any form like there was never gonna continue while we were completely in
Fantasyland about what the consumer demand actually was yeah, yeah
Do you guys think?
the share so I
Think it's interesting AI kind of feels like a new like a modern-day Babel where we're getting to this like
Originally everybody could speak the same language and then Babel happened and then everybody was kind of bifurcated in their own little pockets
Like tribalism again, and I feel like it's gonna be interesting
You're gonna have those pockets that can now it's like if you want to make an anime movie about
The
Alphabet stuff or whatever it is like you can do that and you can make one that's like hyper focused on like what being
Pansexual is or whatever and I'm just like picking something. That's so specific
But you can do that and if you want to try to tell a good story about it your market that that's that really small
Fringe market will be able to tell you instantaneously you like it or it's like hey
I'm an aviator and I want to make something about like really
unique
intricate systems about this
Tim's about the difference between fly-by-wire and old like OG like flying with like actual hydraulics
like you can go in and you can try and like make these nuanced pieces of content YouTube is a little bit of that but
I think what we're in for is actually a
Like a flippening to use the the F term you guys use Solana, right but like a flippening of
storytelling to where
We'll actually get a new mainstream if that makes sense, like we're gonna get a new
Way for people to all be on the same thing. I hope it's Indy hub, but it's gonna be a a
New way for us to talk about what's kind of coming out or what's that shared experience of the entire world?
And I'm curious to see what it's gonna be because it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. I
Do agree I think that's a good analogy like we are definitely bifurcating
No question and the question is how long are we gonna bifurcate and then where is the party gonna be at?
After we all decide that bifurcation wasn't the greatest thing ever part is gonna be the big corners
Yeah, no doubt these studios and the platforms they have legally they own a lot of these films
So they own like the Miramax library. They own certain titles and so companies like Netflix Amazon Hulu
HBO Disney, whatever
They're gonna have older films if you want to go and stream those movies
If you don't want to just steal them or whatever, you're gonna go to those platforms. They're gonna use those things
There are going to be people that continue to use those platforms
Some of them may fail some of them may succeed
But there there is and this is already happening gonna be a whole new round of filmmakers who can
Either use Bitcoin to finance movies use AI tools make them much cheaper and put them on their own
Platforms people will go to places like indie hub where they can spend the little amount of Bitcoin
They know this filmmaker is not going to put what if it's the leftist crap that's getting ham-fisted into storylines
I'm not gonna get any of that. I'm gonna get this certain type of movie. This person's got a new one coming out
I'm going to pay
Like a thousand sats and I'm gonna sit down and watch this movie and it's gonna be exactly what I want to see
And it's going to I don't know
I mean, maybe it's gonna be the new mainstream
but it's definitely gonna be a lot of really good filmmaking that you can go and pay a little bit of money for and
Get a really good product for and it is going to
Decimate this old structure that's existed for however long it's existed for in its current iteration of Hollywood
that is dying and a new thing is is rising up and and Bitcoin is gonna
Definitely help that because people are gonna pay in Bitcoin to watch the story. You guys answer an uncouth question
That's totally off topic, but actually kind of relevant
Do you guys think?
slavery comes back and I actually mean that in a in a
Here here
Everyone in the world the slave right now, but yeah, but that's it's been alive in 71, dude. So that's actually
But but but you know seriousness like I'm very curious because I'm going through the Old Testament right now and it talks about
Like as Moses is handing over
You know the the the new promised land to the Israelites he's basically like hey
You're gonna put up these new stone tablets that are kind of big and they're gonna write all this stuff on them
But one of the like big sections in there is basically about like slaves. It's like hey if you're a slave
You can get out of your slavery at this point in time, but if you don't want to not be a slave anymore
Then your master is responsible for you. And so where I'm going with this is like
Are we gonna get to like a new
serfdom or seat like like are we gonna get to a different alignment of things because we're taught with all of the
Myths right that that Hollywood perpetuates slavery is bad
but at the end of the day when you really think about it like if all you want to do is scroll on tik-tok and
Find somebody you can go bang on tinder. You're already a slave. It's like I don't know. I'm just curious
No
Okay, I'll go first because your follow-up will be more important like I've talked to all you guys about this I think
Individually, but I have this like spicy take about AI
Kind of being the rapture a little bit because there's a bunch of people
Who are who are not?
They're not gonna be able to discern the truth and their responsibility of following the truth and being productive within the truth and moving
Humanity forward moving consciousness forward by being servants of the truth
You know
They're just gonna be thrown back in the fucking washing machine until they figure it out in the next
6,000 years or whatever when their soul comes back and they got to figure out who the fucking boss is
Like you have to decide that you're a servant of the truth that you're a warrior of God
However, you want to say it and if you're just gonna get totally overcome and overtaken by technology AI
Tinder whatever it is. You're just a slave to dopamine to JD's point
so I think that this technology back to you know to the point of being the age of discernment all of this technology is
Forcing us to to ask ourselves who are actual who is the boss and what are we doing? What is the truth?
Yeah. Yeah, I think one of the camera we've read so on the shout to the thank God for Nostra podcast
I go go subscribe, but we we talked about this a lot
we talked about like AI and
And like VR and stuff and I Kimber who we were talking about
But basically his his contention it was some well-known billionaire. It might have been Eli
I don't I don't remember it might have been Zuckerberg
But basically his contention was he was it was this pretty cynical take of there's gonna be hyper wealthy people
who are gonna actually be able to afford to travel and to you know,
Like afford life and do all these things and then there's gonna be people who are just they experience all those things virtually
So you're gonna have a VR you're gonna go on like a VR vacation and you're gonna have like your VR porn
you're gonna have all these kind of things and so like he just had this idea this, you know, this vision of like a
You know again, it's it is kind of good. It's very dystopian but of like where you have large
You know
Where you have large income inequality and you have this, you know, you have like assets
It's extreme asset thing where again even in the best-case scenario the people who are rich today
They're gonna get Bitcoin and they're gonna be able to have even more Bitcoin
and so just like this idea of
you know like this being part of the use case for you know for AI and this part being part of the use case for
For VR. Yeah, whatever it is virtual reality. Yeah, I just think like I could see it getting really really bad in a lot of ways
We can keep going down that path
I had I did have one more question for Zach like in terms of the in terms of the festival
Like here's a question so here this would be like a more or less
less
awful use of you know unless
This would be more fun use like is that was there any talk of doing like a kind of a good choose your own
Adventure story for like some of these old films
So if you're looking at somebody like Miramax and they're trying to figure out how can we monetize?
These existing properties that we already have
Here's one example. So on the the rewatchables podcast
They do this they have like all these categories that they go through and one of the stories or one of the categories is would
This movie have been better if it had Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks
And so I'm like could you could you see a world where you can take some of these old movies and you could literally pop?
In Tom Hanks like to this movie and like experience all these like parallel universes
Like is that could you see something like that happening?
I get obviously I think it's it's possible to actually do it
But do you think like that would make sense on the business side of things or the where the interests align in any way to
Kind of make that happen something like that before you answer. We did an entire podcast on this
Yeah, exactly and I'd like to the figure out what number it is, but
What you know, I think
we
Yes, it's possible
You know choose your own adventure has actually been a thing, you know just in theater like live theater, you know
That was a format for plays for a long time kind of like 3d movies. Just never really took off
I think it's possible
But I think what's actually gonna happen is the choose your own adventure AI
Generated stories that are the most fun are actually going to be video games
Okay, we're basically already there
And as AI starts to kind of program, you know
Program the real like imagine Skyrim, but where all of the NPCs are our AI's and they're having organic conversations with you
I think that's gonna be
infinitely more stimulating than like
Watching the same script or story structure play out with a new face on it
You know what? I mean?
Like it might be interesting for a little bit
But I don't I don't know if there's gonna be any any big viable
Return on investment for doing something like that and then sure and then you're also dealing with rights issues
Yes, that's kind of more where my question was coming in like how does that work?
I know people are super protective over rights and all that kind of stuff
So yeah in likeness and and then so they're already gonna they're already doing that and they're already gonna continue doing that
That's what's what's interesting though on this this whole thing. That is actually
Blizzard used quite a bit of AI in the and I might be I think I'm like 90% correct on this
I don't play video games
But I saw and I was reading something about like Diablo 3 or Diablo 7 or whatever the hell it is right now
in the new Diablo 4
The way the dungeons are made is actually AI generated which is it's like they basically have plot points and then let's say here's the
big bad guy you got to have some of these things in there, but the
the theory behind it from an engineering perspective is it's like an SVG graphic if you're familiar a
Png is like a an image right or a JPEG that you're not traditionally aware of which is essentially like the computer has to know
okay, pixel 1 is white and then pixel 2 is blue and then pixel 3 is this an
SVG is a math equation. So you get to a point where it's infinitely says stands for a scalable vector graphic
infinitely big or infinitely small and so
What's gonna be more interesting is actually it's essentially using geometry. Like if you guys know the like the perfect
Like circle thing that goes all the way down. I'm blanking on what it is. Yeah, but it's like in geometry
Yeah
Obviously, yeah, but you're talking about procedurally generated. Yes, and so it's gonna be and awesome
Thank you camera for freezing at this perfect moment in time
but it's like the the point where I'm going with this is
the choose-your-own-adventure piece to Zach's point that I totally agree with is
actually going to be a misnomer because
You don't actually want to choose your own adventure like if it really comes down to it
What you want is you want to go on a quest and you want to know?
What you're questing for but you want to be surprised on the way. Yeah. Yeah, and so the journey will change
But the destination is the same
Interestingly enough like if you look at it from that context JD like the choose if you want to choose your own adventure
You get to go be a filmmaker and you get to make a movie using AI
You now are choosing your adventure and then all the people who don't want to choose their own adventure get to like oh
I'll go on that one with you
Yeah
But I actually think what you just said is unique and I didn't even think about that until right now and just kind of using
That framework that I just set up
It would be really really interesting to have diehard where every single character is Tom Hanks
right or have diehard where every single character was Tom Cruise and I just mean that in the thing if it's like
The beauty of this choose your own adventure of the future is not necessarily that it's choose your own story
But it's gonna choose your own band of motley characters to to live out. It's basically Dungeons and Dragons, but you know
With a little more defined storyline to it. I mean we already have that with memes right like the smash mouth where
The song is just hey now. Hey now. Hey just goes on. Yeah, I'm just imagining again
I was imagining something like again. Yeah, so it'd be like Jerry Maguire or something again
The incentives don't align for them to actually go back and touch something like that
But if there was it'd be like if there was a project it'd be it'd have to be less loved
It'd have to be some kind of project that was like more middling and they're like, hey, maybe we could you know
If we changed out this actor or again, you take like this new actor. We popped him back in there
You know, how would it and so like there would be some sort of intrigue?
What I would personally love to see though are actually things that died because of
Somebody dying so for instance like yeah, I would love to see what that man three would have been if he'd ledger hadn't died
Right, like that's what I would love is like I'd love to see that
Yeah, I appreciate this is a thought experiment but as fast as AI is moving
I don't think we're anywhere close from AI being able to replicate a good a great actor
Giving a great performance that they prepared for and executed. I honestly don't think it's anywhere close
I think I think it's I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be funny, especially for for more middling things
But yeah, I mean if you tried to recreate with AI what Heath Ledger did in the dark night
It would be so obvious that it wasn't him. Even if it looked the exact same
There's I don't think we're anywhere close to that. Okay, I think
Have you guys ever noticed on that?
I agree 100% what you're saying Corey the the I guess the piece of where I'm saying though is the
The beauty of like an LLM or the the large language models for AI is putting in
Like you've put in this framework and so more of what it is. I actually I actually think
It wouldn't work unless a human did it first and I guess that's where I'm going is like he's put in all of that
Effort to create that Joker and so it's like what is another existence or another premonition of that Joker in that world?
Based on AI now again AI is gonna make different decisions than Heathwood because he's gonna go have lunch with somebody and they're gonna give
Him an idea and it's gonna like that
But but I do think it's just an interesting thing, but I do think a human would need to prime it the prompt, right?
What's both very cool about AI and can be horrifying?
And if you've ever watched Black Mirror or read any old science fiction, that is no longer science fiction like
Anything that you can imagine that AI is capable of doing it will eventually do these things all will eventually happen like
Eventually you want to be the main character and die hard get in VR and it's no longer
Bruce Willis you are that person and
And then like think of like an Apple Vision Pro and you can take a movie and it will just expand all the scenes
So now you can watch the movie, but you can also see like everything else that's going on
But I will just say this I am confident from like a biblical perspective
That there's nothing new under the Sun even though all there's all these advancements
we're still just human beings and we like a certain type of storytelling and
Everything that has that is going to come all already in some
Version has existed in the past before that technology existed
And so in the future, we still will like a very similar type of storytelling and I I mean, this is my personal opinion
I think what we consider to be Hollywood is cyclical and it's all going to come back in in in a new form with new
technology, but still the same
so
We can
This is kind of a question for the group
But how many of you have heard of the philosophical idea of a view from nowhere?
Nope and note-takers. Okay. So the idea of that a view from nowhere it refers to this idea of we all have a perspective
Right. So like Anton's perspective is going to be different than my perspective
You know, we see some of the same things because you know, we live in proximity to each other
So we like interact at the same places
But fundamentally our perspectives are completely different right despite the fact of all the things we have in common North America, for instance
It's a huge thing in common now
everybody has their own perspective and then those perspectives have
Problems in that it's hard to arbitrate truth between perspectives that are
In conflict right now if you have if you have a perspective here and you have a perspective here
The guy who has the perspective way up here can see the whole map and understands that like no this has not seen this thing
It's outside of this guy's field of view and vice versa, right and therefore we can reconcile the conflict, right?
it's like that that that that picture of like a you've got like a
Cylinder and a light shining in two different angles and on the shadow of this looks like a square and the shadow over here
Correct. Yeah, like whatever. Yeah, this is true. This is true. And then the overarching is this is truth. Yes. Yep, exactly. Perfect
Okay, so
with filmmaking with all the other
Mediums and creative endeavors. We are telling a story
From a perspective and what gives that perspective meaning is that it's our perspective and we can you know, have have interacted with this
Our reality in it, you know other people have similar things
And so there's a relationship there and all that now AI also has a perspective. It's not a
Different like it's not a different perspective each time. It's like just the you know a universal perspective and it's not God's perspective either
Because God would be the ultimate perspective, right?
But AI only has the one perspective you have to train another AI model to get another perspective
whereas a filmmaker will have
his own unique perspective and a different filmmaker will have his own unique perspective and there's
Thousands and thousands of filmmakers all gonna have their own unique perspective. I think that is where it's like
the economics unless and unless the
unless they're able to figure out a way to make AI crazy cheap where you can just
run and train your own eyes for a couple hundred bucks like
it's
Bro, the human experience is just expansive beyond
what computers will be able to do in terms of storytelling and porn in terms of
Producing content that's that's new and unique because reality is informing us of our perspectives and then we get to
Respond to that and have a new
story a new take
yeah, one of the things that was really clear about about the films from the AI film fest was that
Everything came down to writing basically and your specificity and prompting and that specificity is coming from from your own perspective to your point
and
There's just an infinite amount of iterations of that it's inconceivable
hopefully
humans continue to use AI as the tool and AI doesn't use us as the tool and
Put us in little pods where it sucks the heat energy out of our bodies
This sounds like a really great idea for a good movie
Corn hub
My second favorite movie title of all the titles
Alright team, this is the yeah. Yeah think we're think we're think we're near it
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That's what you said
This is beta this is beta
I
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