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What started as an exploration of the devil in their show, The Exorcist Minute, has grown into something much greater. Find all the original episodes of the show and more right here in The Devil's Details with Lester Ryan Clark and Kynan Dias.
Coming up on the Devil's Details. God, the Devil, and Bob. God, the Devil, and Bob. God, Devil, and Bob.
Kynan Dias:That sounded just like it.
Lester Ryan Clark:It did, didn't it? Yeah. We're gonna talk about that. Good morning, Star, and welcome to another episode of the Devil's Details, a show where we dig up, decipher, dissect, and deconstruct the many forms of the devil. One of my names is Lister Ryan Clark.
Kynan Dias:And I sometimes go by Keenan Diaz.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yes. And we're just two lost souls hitchhiking down the highway to hell. And folks, this is our season finale here. We have already run out of the devil and stories. Can you believe it?
Lester Ryan Clark:Barring the devil in miss Jones.
Kynan Dias:That's right.
Lester Ryan Clark:That is that is the one we haven't done dot dot dot yet. And so for our finale, we thought we would continue with this animation kick that we've been on. We saw the Devil and story as an animated film with the Devil and Daniel Mouse. We saw it as a Halloween minisode with the Devil and Homer Simpson. And now, we're gonna see how they can stretch it into an entire season of an animated show with God, the Devil, and Bob.
Lester Ryan Clark:You notice we got a a God in this one as well.
Kynan Dias:He gets top billing.
Lester Ryan Clark:He does. Alright. Now, I don't think I ever saw this or even knew about it when it was airing. How about you, Keenan?
Kynan Dias:I saw every episode when it aired in its original. Really? Oh, yes. Definitely.
Lester Ryan Clark:Oh, wow. Okay.
Kynan Dias:Are you kidding me? It was adult animation. It was on NBC. It was 2000. Yep.
Kynan Dias:I was a big Rosie O'Donnell fan as I was telling you the other day. Yeah. And I watched a lot of TV.
Lester Ryan Clark:Wait. Rosie O'Donnell's in this?
Kynan Dias:No. Okay. I would just say it as an example. Lester and I saw each other in LA this weekend. We did.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. And we were talking about having to rush home to get to catch something on television because it wouldn't be replayable.
Lester Ryan Clark:Back in the day.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Back in the day. And that was what I was doing as a cool junior in high school, was rushing back home in time to be sure I caught Rosie O'Donnell
Lester Ryan Clark:There we go.
Kynan Dias:At 03:00 every day.
Lester Ryan Clark:See, it was oh, what was it? I think it was 06:00 for me. That when the Simpsons back to back was on. Oh, okay. And that was it for me.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Well, Bob the Devil and God, I could see all of it because
Lester Ryan Clark:God, the Devil and Bob.
Kynan Dias:What did I say?
Lester Ryan Clark:You said the, like, the the the exact opposite. I said the opposite? You said Bob, Devil, and God.
Kynan Dias:Oh, I was trying to think of what the opposite of Bob would be. I thought I said, like, the Devil, God, and Susan or something. I don't Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.
Kynan Dias:But God, the devil, and Bob only aired for four episodes at NBC before they canceled it.
Lester Ryan Clark:Oh, okay.
Kynan Dias:So I definitely saw all of those, and then I have not seen the subsequent episodes from episode five on until we started doing this. So I guess they aired on Adult Swim, but I never saw those.
Lester Ryan Clark:Okay. I I knew that they only made one season. Mhmm. I didn't know that it it didn't even air for the full season.
Kynan Dias:Yep. That's how TV used to be back then. If it wasn't happening, they would just pull it off the air.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. Kids kids these days, they want their their their Rosie O'Donnell. Well, this kid specifically,
Kynan Dias:he wants Rosie O'Donnell. They love Koosh balls.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Oh my god. Celebrities. Forgot about Koosh ball.
Kynan Dias:Well, that's a Rosie O'Donnell which would she would throw Koosh balls at the camera, you you felt like you were really there.
Lester Ryan Clark:Oh, okay.
Kynan Dias:You don't know anything about Rosie O'Donnell. I
Lester Ryan Clark:don't even know what koosh balls are. Okay? No. Of course I do.
Kynan Dias:No. But she had she had premium koosh balls that we could never afford.
Lester Ryan Clark:Oh, okay.
Kynan Dias:And she had koosh ball launchers.
Lester Ryan Clark:From koosh.
Kynan Dias:From koosh. She had things set up on her desk to be little little catapults that she would shoot directly to the audience. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:This sounds this sounds like okay. Tell me tell me if this is an accurate picture in my head. Mhmm. This is like Oprah Winfrey
Kynan Dias:Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mixed with super sloppy double dare. Yes. Ah, okay.
Kynan Dias:Absolutely. That's Rosie O'Donnell folks. That's Rosie O'Donnell.
Lester Ryan Clark:Well, well, I know what I'm gonna do after this episode.
Kynan Dias:What's that?
Lester Ryan Clark:Buy some koosh balls. But, yeah, actually, as for me, I Mhmm. Think I saw a promo.
Kynan Dias:Sure.
Lester Ryan Clark:Or maybe maybe it was the the the making of that I that I rewatched again for this episode. It was, like, on TV at some point where the creators were talking about it. And I remember being excited because it's like it's the premise is right up my alley. Right. And then never seeing it and kind of just like wondering, oh, well, like and I I even just forgot about the title of the show.
Lester Ryan Clark:Was like, wasn't there a show about God and the devil and this guy named Bob? What was it called? And just yeah. I never I never saw it while it was airing.
Kynan Dias:Right. He kept googling Bob the god and the devil and
Lester Ryan Clark:then Yeah. And just never came up. Right? Bob god, the devil, and and third guy, protagonist. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:No. Nothing nothing would come up. Mhmm. But yeah. So so I I I came to I came to this very late Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And found it on on YouTube, and it which is, know, it's that's that's kind of like where it lives now. And I remember I watched the whole season Uh-huh. Back when I discovered it, and this must have been like, oh, ten, maybe even like fifteen years ago. Mhmm. Watched the whole season and just kinda forgot about it until until rewatching it for this show.
Kynan Dias:Oh,
Lester Ryan Clark:great. And and maybe it's because we just got done watching how The Simpsons Mhmm. Did this story. Right? You know, the devil hand.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. But I cannot help but notice the the the differences. So that may have colored a lot of my my notes as we as we go through this thing. I'm gonna try to focus on what I liked.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. I guess what watching this back to back with the best scripted television show of all time. Yeah. It's little bit
Lester Ryan Clark:unfair. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:But alright. Yeah. I get it. But, you know, that, you know, this was, yeah, this was primetime animation. They were they were trying to be the Simpsons.
Kynan Dias:I mean, that's just what you were up against back then as well.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. For the longest, I I had this, like, weird Mandela effect. I thought that this was from the same people who made King of the Hill. Uh-huh. And I would remember that false fact.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. And then I would think about, like, the character design and the animation and be like, oh, yeah. You can kinda see it. But no, folks, you can't Mhmm. Because that's wrong.
Kynan Dias:Uh-huh.
Lester Ryan Clark:And on this day today, I discovered where I I misinterpreted that
Kynan Dias:Okay.
Lester Ryan Clark:Was I was watching The Making Of, and our our guy, Matthew Carlson, said something to the tune of, oh, with the recent success of King of the Hill Mhmm. We thought, you know, the studios would would be more open to this show Mhmm. Which I interpreted as he did King of the Hill, which he didn't. That was my judge. No.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Right. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:But at, like like, thinking that for, like, fifteen something years, and then I would see, like, just a random picture of God, the devil, and Bob's like, oh, yeah. Can kinda see it. Kinda like no. You can't see any of king of the hill, Lester White.
Kynan Dias:You're wrong.
Lester Ryan Clark:But now let's, talk about how this show came to be. This show was created by Matthew Carlson who worked on shows like Malcolm in the Middle and The Wonder Years, and that you actually can kinda tell, and I'll get to that in a second. Mhmm. After the success of Malcolm, he created God, The Devil, and Bob. So I think he was a writer on the other shows, on Malcolm and and Wonder Years, but this is like his baby is God, the Devil, and Bob.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. And Linwood Boomer, who's the creator back in the middle, he's one of the producers here along with Marcy Carsey and Tom Werner who had a long career together.
Lester Ryan Clark:Is that three people or two people?
Kynan Dias:Marcy Carsey is one person. Okay. Yes. She has a wonderful name. Okay.
Lester Ryan Clark:Because just the way you you listed it, it was like it was like we were talking about Marcy. Mhmm. Carsey. Uh-huh. And I've already forgotten the
Kynan Dias:third one. And Tom Werner.
Lester Ryan Clark:Tom
Kynan Dias:Werner. He's near as as catchy as
Lester Ryan Clark:He's never included. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. But they have Carsey Werner, and they they did a whole bunch of things like, I don't know, Razan and third Rock from the Sun, which should, you know, all sorts of like that. So
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. So, yeah, this is the brainchild of Matthew Carlson. Mhmm. He says he's he had been, like, kicking this idea around in his head for a while Mhmm. As a lapsed Catholic who went to seminary school, also inspired by Damn Yankees.
Lester Ryan Clark:Which we
Kynan Dias:could we could go into at some point. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:We definitely gotta do. And and the Oh God movies. Mhmm. And also the Warner Brothers cartoon where, like, the wolf and the sheepdog would, like, clock in and clock out every day, you know, together. And, like so, like, them being like, they were they were adversaries while on the clock Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:But then friends when they got off of work.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. They're like, morning, Tom. Morning, Bob. And they they go and fight each other, and then they they clock out again. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Right. So he says, yeah, he says that was something that really intrigued him. And I agree. Like, I've always liked that trope.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? Of like, oh, it's our job or like like we're, you know, we're we're actors in a play, but then we stop. You know? Mhmm. You know, we're we're like, you know, we we we hang out backstage or something.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. Right? Now, like we said, you might know that this only lasted one season. Mhmm. It was not picked up after that.
Kynan Dias:Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:The creators blame this on criticism from religious listeners who thought the show was too irreverent, too disrespectful, even blasphemous Mhmm. Which maybe. I think it was a combination of things though. I'll, you know, certainly attribute a part of it to that. But
Kynan Dias:Yeah. But if it would have been hit, it would have lasted. I mean, you know, like there were people protesting Roseanne at the time as Roseanne was a mega hit.
Lester Ryan Clark:Because it's too much like Rosie O'Donnell.
Kynan Dias:No. She's gonna have Rosie O'Donnell's name.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. But, yeah, let's get into the show. What do we think of this pre music intro? Mhmm. That's the first thing we see.
Lester Ryan Clark:We we got God introducing himself. He, you know, he takes the world and kinda like dribbles it like a basketball, throws it on his finger, and basically gives us the concept of the show. He was all set to destroy the world, he decided if just one pure soul could convince him it's worth saving, he would. And being a sporting deity, he let the devil choose. I like almost all of this intro.
Lester Ryan Clark:How about you?
Kynan Dias:Yeah. It's interesting. I mean, was it it feels like it's it's added on later. Like, people were, like Mhmm. Confused by it or something, by the show without this.
Kynan Dias:So because we're gonna we're gonna hear all of this again just sort of played out dramatically. So so, yeah, I'm not sure why we need it, but it it it's helpful. I thought I thought, okay. We're gonna have this intro, then we're just gonna go into the into the story and not see, like, the setup. We don't need the origin story of it.
Kynan Dias:But yeah. So I don't know if we need it twice, but I do like this. And I like God being casual and and talking directly to us.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. I don't know. It just, like, it was enough to hook me. It was Mhmm. I don't know, like, maybe just kind of like the soft kind of like choir behind God and and just kind of like this friendly, like, hi, I'm God Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Type thing. It was it was enough that it like, oh, I'm interested. Like like, you know, God has a a a defined character here and this is this is interesting. Right?
Kynan Dias:Yeah. It it helps us with God. It helps us, I think, you know, maybe even thinking of, like, the complaints people might have. It helps us see that we're on God's side. God's the cool one here.
Kynan Dias:Yes. And God is nice and he's gonna be the grandfatherly figure and and he's gonna really run the show.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. And yeah, like I said, I like almost all of this intro, then he's like, folks, meet your
Kynan Dias:Your last chance for salvation.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. And and spotlight on Bob Ullman.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. Get it? Do you get it?
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Bob Allman. Yeah. And the joke here is that he he starts to levitate like spotlight goes on him. He starts to levitate and the punch line of this is wow. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:This is good beer.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And I'm like, there was there was no other, like, joke for for for this instance?
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Mean, because it's gonna turn out that Bob is pretty he's a pretty rude dude. Right? He's he's gonna be beyond Homer Simpson, beyond any of the characters in King of the Hill. Right?
Kynan Dias:He's he watches porn, and he Yeah. He he's he's pretty far out there. So I don't know, like, what could we put here that that's gonna show him as a bad choice for God that would be, you know, potentially off putting for the the first thirty seconds of the show.
Lester Ryan Clark:I mean, for me, it's like, okay, we're supposed to get that he's like, oh, this is our last chance. Like, this is, you know, he's pitiful. But the I don't know. Just just the mechanic the logistics of he thinks the beer is making him hallucinate. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Like beer doesn't do that.
Kynan Dias:That's true.
Lester Ryan Clark:That's that's the thing. It's like like all of these jokes are like almost there. Mhmm. Mhmm. You know, they have the beat like they like the rhythm of a joke.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yep. He needed to say something else.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. Oh, I see. I gotcha.
Lester Ryan Clark:Like like, wow. Something. Like, something like like that would explain him levitating.
Kynan Dias:Right. Right? Yeah. My friends who do a lot of drugs and help teach me about drug culture and stuff because I don't do any drugs, they pointed this out to me, like, don't know, like ten, fifteen years ago that in movies, they'll show marijuana making people hallucinate or, like, you know, trip out. And then that's just all nonsense that doesn't do that.
Kynan Dias:Was like, yeah. Now every time I now every time I see you like, yeah, you don't know shit about pot like I do. I've been on it.
Lester Ryan Clark:And here, we're going a step further because everybody knows beard doesn't like like make you like, it's not acid.
Kynan Dias:You know? Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:And so that was that was my like like, this is because this is the the hook. This is the thing that that is supposed to pull you in and all we need is like one like Homer Simpson type line. Because that's what this is that's what Bob is supposed to be.
Kynan Dias:Yes. He's supposed be Homer Simpson for the 2 thousands.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yes. And and like what would Homer say when if he started levitating? Right. You know? I actually don't know.
Lester Ryan Clark:Can't I can't No, he burp. Yeah. Right? Or it would just be, like like this is your last chance at salvation, and you just, know, cut to Bob Oman, and he's like, I don't know, scratching his butt. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Right? Or something like that. No no need for the the the levitating or anything.
Kynan Dias:Uh-huh. Gotcha.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. But just like just something to show that that he's like a less than likely hero.
Kynan Dias:Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? What do think of his design?
Kynan Dias:Well, he's he's definitely the weakest part of the the the human beings look kinda gross or not as fun as as the god and devil designs and all the demons and all that. That that's that's really strong stuff. And I think it's not quite like, you know, capital r realist like King of the Hill is. Right. And then it's not at all like cartoony like The Simpsons.
Kynan Dias:It's sort of this middle ground that just doesn't really work. And it's hard to Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to look at a low look at that. It's hard to look at them.
Kynan Dias:All the human characters.
Lester Ryan Clark:Which is like the the number one thing for a cartoon.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Try to be edgy but but also relatable, which is difficult. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:He seems two d whichever angle you're looking at him from.
Kynan Dias:Right. Which is what the Simpsons do. Right? Yeah. But like But that's a different cartoony world.
Kynan Dias:And then the the hills look like they're three d whenever you're looking at them.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. And this is this is yeah. Like, you know, like, there there are times I'm not saying that you should never have an off putting looking cartoon character like Ren and Stuffy or Duckman, which is adult animation at the same time. Like, they're supposed to we're supposed to look at them and go like, ugh, these guys. And then this this show wants us to look at them and like them.
Kynan Dias:That's Yeah. You know, that's just sort of a mismatch between the the characters here.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. He's got he's got this, like, spindly neck and just, like, this weird angular head Mhmm. Yeah. And hair that's not and I think I think the other thing is because, like, it might have been you or somebody else who told me about, like, the rule in animation about, like, the silhouette.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right?
Kynan Dias:Being distinctive. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:And it's supposed to be just like, like, any like, think of think of any cartoon character folks and just, you know, black it out completely and just look at the silhouette. You can you can tell who it is.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. That's Matt Groening's rule. Mhmm. Yes. You can look at a silhouette.
Kynan Dias:You can tell it's foghorn, leghorn as opposed to the chicken hawk. Like, you could tell them distinctly from each other. Or even in lay like later when you'd be like, oh, and Taz's Tasmania Taz's show Mhmm. You could tell the difference between Taz and his father, even though they're both Tasmanian devils.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. I mean, like, you could you could tell the difference in Rugrats between Phil and Lil.
Kynan Dias:Exactly. Yeah. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? Right. Or Chip and Dale. Right? Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. But, yeah, that that that was the one thing I unfortunately could not get behind was was Bob Bob Allman.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. That's probably a big reason why the show didn't last. Think the human characters are just not conceived of very well.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, so then that's that's that's all done is the is the the pre music intro. Then we get our music. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:What the hell is this, Keenan?
Kynan Dias:It's quick. That's what it is. Let's get on. Yeah. Let's move on.
Kynan Dias:Let's go get out
Lester Ryan Clark:of It is Casio keyboard 2,000 Mhmm. And that's it. Yeah. No. It'll look great.
Lester Ryan Clark:I mean, that's gotta be another, like, kind of, like, animation rule, like, have a memorable kind of, like, something that you'll they'll you'll If
Kynan Dias:you're gonna have a theme song at all.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Definitely.
Kynan Dias:You know, I mean I mean Well, that's Danny Elfman. Mean, you know,
Lester Ryan Clark:this is this is high high class people. Mean
Kynan Dias:That's somebody else. I don't know who
Lester Ryan Clark:that is. Oh, jeez. Well, you know what that is, though.
Kynan Dias:I know I know what that is. I don't remember who composed The Flintstones. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. Well, mean, that's that's like a a sea shanty anyway. Yeah. But, yeah, but, you know, not like whatever that is.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? And did you get, like, there's there is if you watch the entire season, there is one episode where it has lyrics. Uh-huh. Right. And and never again.
Lester Ryan Clark:And it's near the end, and it's just god, god, the devil, and Bob. And that's
Kynan Dias:it. Yeah. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Anyway, anyway, God, I'm such a freaking sour post. Okay. Then we get into the pilot. Mhmm. Right?
Lester Ryan Clark:And we get God and the devil. And they're sort of out like on this friend date, you know, looking at cars. Yep. So now, what do we think of these two? These these these other two titular characters, their designs, their relationship.
Lester Ryan Clark:What do we think?
Kynan Dias:Yeah. I I'm a big fan of both of these guys. So Mhmm. God is James Gardner. Right?
Kynan Dias:And he has Mhmm. It's the beginning of his grandfatherly era, he sounds like that. He looks like Jerry Garcia, who even though as a kid who had never taken any acid, I knew who Jerry Garcia was. Like, he he, at that point, was a well, I guess he died at this point, but he he was known as as a grandpa, like Santa Claus, you know? Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can't tell you a single Grateful Dead song. Mhmm. I just don't know them.
Kynan Dias:I don't know that culture. But, yeah, like, he is just like this this happy paternal person, and God is like that. So he's just kinda chill. Right? Yeah.
Kynan Dias:And he looks chill, he has the beard. He wears sunglasses. We very rarely, if ever, see his eyes.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Like, almost never. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. And he just like a, you know, jeans and sandal kind of guy, and he walks through. He's very peaceful. And if if anything because but he's not a he's not a perfect character, which I think is one of the things I like about him. So he is oblivious sometimes, right?
Kynan Dias:He's too chill. Loses sometimes. Loses temper sometimes. Yeah, exactly. So I like this depiction of God a whole lot.
Kynan Dias:And he's fascinated by the things that people get to have, like the brand name junk food and stuff like that. He likes that. He's fascinated by The one thing I had forgotten about the devil, because it's Alan Cumming who I loved then and love now. And I thought it was his normal Scottish accent. But it's him doing a British accent.
Kynan Dias:So he doesn't really sound like himself at all. I would have preferred if they were doing it again today, they'd probably ask him to do the British accent. But I loved him ever since I saw him in Bold and I. And I was like, I love Alan Cumming. He's just the best.
Kynan Dias:He's like how would you describe him? That's a little bit harder. He's
Lester Ryan Clark:I, like, I misremember this every time as him being in this kind of, like, sharp black suit, like, in in, like, opposite opposition to to God's kind of, like, t shirt, you know, sandals type deal. Mhmm. But it's not a suit.
Kynan Dias:It's Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:It's like he's got jeans and like a like a like a red orange shirt and then this long black coat.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. He looks he looks hipper for sure. So he's not like yeah. Misremembered him as being masters of the universe, Gordon Gekko power suit, but it's not like that. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:He is more relaxed, but he looks more high fashion than the other two.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yes. Yeah. A little bit more conscientious of his of his age.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. I think that's right. He's trying to be cool wherever he's going. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yes. Yes. I think I believe Matthew Carlson described him as, like, a a hipster type.
Kynan Dias:Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.
Lester Ryan Clark:Whatever that means in 2000.
Kynan Dias:Whatever that meant in 2000. So I was too too young to to really understand that. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, he's blonde, which is interesting, not redheaded, as you might as I misremembered.
Kynan Dias:And he has tiny little black horns that are more like the they're more like a fawn's horns, right? Like a Yeah. Like a satyr's horns.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. Or like the type that you would buy like for Halloween, just like these cheap little things that come in a little baggy
Kynan Dias:or whatever. Yeah. But they're very small. They're not big and overbearing. No.
Kynan Dias:No. And he talks pretty fast. He's whiny. He's a little bit bitchier. He is all of his evil is kind of like when he appears on Earth, he doesn't appear like monstrous.
Kynan Dias:He appears like just kind of a sitcom asshole. And then later on, like when we see him in hell, gonna see that that he has the power all the powers of hell that we would expect.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Yeah. Yeah. So we get introduced to him in this way first.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. Right. And they are yeah. You're like, they're they're like a friend, Dave. Like, they're work friends Mhmm.
Kynan Dias:The the devil and god. Like so this is a little bit closer to the book of Job relationship, it seems like. Like, god and the devil work together. God doesn't want the devil to get his way, but he doesn't see him as, like, you know, on the opposite sides of this, you know, ultimate battle between good and evil or something.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Yeah. There's not they're they're not enemies. They're not even like frenemies. They're they're like it's like they're clocking in and clocking out.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Yeah. They're actual yeah. They're actual work friends. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Because here we see them going to this this this car show, and it's not for something at the office or anything. They're just going because they're both they're both have gone to Detroit because they both wanted to go. Yeah. Right. And with each other, and like they're waiting for each other to be there.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Yeah. And you get the little kind of like intros, you know, little jokes about, oh, get it because it's God Mhmm. And get it because it's the devil. Because the devil, like, upon like, on his way over to meeting him, he, pops a kid's balloon every day.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. Right? And to that note, I think this show made me realize that I normally like, you know, the little jokes where the punchline is, you know, because it's the devil. Get it? Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? Or, you know, same thing with God. I like those. And even more, I like it when they subvert them. Like, you know, there's a joke about the devil putting a koi pond in in hell.
Kynan Dias:To make it look nicer. To make it look like, as I said, it's headquarters. Right? So we need to look Right. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Worldly.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. And that's one of like the first pilot jokes. It's like Mhmm. They meet up at the car show. It's like, so how's hell?
Lester Ryan Clark:It's like hell. It's it's a festering, you know, a pit of of despair. Oh, but I put in a koi pond. Mhmm. Right?
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. And so I like both of these types of jokes. Mhmm. But this show kinda made me realize that you can't do that for a whole season of a show Mhmm. Because it kinda wears thin.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. Where, like, every joke with the devil is him being, you know, connected with something we hate. Mhmm. Like like, you know, he invented hangnails or or the back of his bowling shirt says Microsoft at one point. Right?
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. You know? You guys get it? Because it's a heartless corporation. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? Or or sometimes it'll be something innocuous or unexpected like like the koi pond. Right? It's like, he's the lord of all evil, but he has a koi pond. Right?
Lester Ryan Clark:And I'm not I'm not knocking that. I like these jokes. And actually, I don't think you can not do these jokes when you're talking about God or the devil because whatever normal human being thing they do, we're gonna see that as a commentary. Mhmm. Right?
Lester Ryan Clark:Like like this isn't even in the show, but like if they're arguing over what kind of music to listen to in the car, like whatever the writers choose for God and the devil, we're gonna take it as some sort of wink. Right. Right? Like if the devil wants to listen to heavy metal and God wants to listen to the carpenters Mhmm. We'll be like, okay, that's, you know, sort of on the nose, but but then swap them around and still we're gonna be like, oh, I get it.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? The devil liking the carpenters and God being a metalhead. Okay. Mhmm. You know?
Lester Ryan Clark:So so I can't knock them for that because I don't think there's a way to surprise us Uh-huh. With with God and the devil.
Kynan Dias:Right? God would like the carpenters. His son was a carpenter.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? He's looking down on creation. But so yeah. So so I think I think that is the problem with the show about God and the devil is like Mhmm. Whatever God and the devil like or dislike is always gonna be part of the joke.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? And I and I think the the the smart thing to do is to get away from that as fast as you can and focus on them as characters and their relationship with each other, which this show definitely does. Mhmm. And that is the other thing about this show. So the studio asked Matthew Carlson and his team if they couldn't do this as a live action sitcom.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. Okay.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? But Matthew fought for it to be animated because he said they wanted to do stuff that you couldn't do live action. Right? Like all the magic and the miracles and, you know, and actually going to hell, etcetera. Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? And I get that. But then, like, later on in this, like, Making Of special, right, which is also online, and I'll post a link, they they sort of talk about how they're proud of the fact that their show is not like other conventional animation. Right? Their their characters have five fingers.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And they have a more complicated walk cycle. And their expressions are more subtle. Right? You know, like you would see in a live action show.
Kynan Dias:Okay.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. But but they were like like proud of this. They were they were like no like no other animated show looks like ours. Mhmm. And I'm like, well, yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:And it made me realize it's it's not just the animation, like the writing, the pacing, the comedy beats. Right? All of it kind of screams live action sitcom.
Kynan Dias:Right. I don't know why King of the Hill works so well, That's
Lester Ryan Clark:that's the other that's kind of like the proof that flies in my face.
Kynan Dias:Right. Right. Exactly. Because that's just so funny when when yeah. Why why is that a cartoon?
Kynan Dias:I don't know. They never do anything cartoony It's in
Lester Ryan Clark:it's less fantastical than God, Devil, and Bob.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. One of my mentors once criticized well, I guess I could say who it was because they're a big famous actor, they're they're gonna be fine. He's so one of my professors said once, Dustin Hoffman is smaller than life,
Lester Ryan Clark:which I disagree with. My goodness.
Kynan Dias:But but that's an interesting idea. Like, yeah, King of the Hill is smaller than life, and it should not be it should not work as a comedy. It should not work as a as a cartoon, but it
Lester Ryan Clark:does But it sounds like sincere about it, though.
Kynan Dias:Right. Uh-huh. Exactly. Yeah. So this is trying to have it both ways is how I sort of see it.
Kynan Dias:But I I do like all the all the god stuff, all the devil stuff. That works that works for me. Just the human being
Lester Ryan Clark:stuff. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:The and part. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. And I think, yeah, like like, if if it had veered into the lane of animation a little bit more, right, like maybe a little squash and stretch, maybe a little hammer space Mhmm. That we talked about. Right? It's almost like they chose animation simply because it would make it cheaper to do, like, the big stuff like the fire and brimstone and and stuff like that, which, yeah, definitely.
Lester Ryan Clark:But Yeah. But then they're not playing by animation rules. Right? It's it's it's three camera sitcom rules. You know what I mean?
Kynan Dias:Right. Uh-huh.
Lester Ryan Clark:Which actually brings me to my favorite character, and I think yours as well would be would be Smack. Smack. Yeah. He's he's great. Yes.
Lester Ryan Clark:He is he is a cartoon character.
Kynan Dias:Yes. He is. Yeah. So he this is played by Jeff Doucette, he's like a little goblin. He's he's a demon.
Kynan Dias:He's he's the devil's right hand demon.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. He's a little toady. Right?
Kynan Dias:A little toady. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So he looks like a demon.
Kynan Dias:He looks awful. Like, he looks like a little guy he's there to torture you, like you might see in a comic strip or something like that.
Lester Ryan Clark:He's got goat legs. He's kind like a satyr type, you know Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. But he look he looks like he's slimy. Like, if you touch him, you wouldn't like it. Right. He's got bumps and slime.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. But he just hasn't this nice little sweet voice, and he's just like such a team player. Mhmm. And like that seems to like both be what the devil needs. He needs someone who's like, sure boss, whatever you wanna do, I'll be doing it.
Kynan Dias:Right? Mhmm. But also like someone that the devil can resent, and maybe that's what the devil needs too. He needs someone who's there to just like like, oh, all of your ideas are terrible smack. What a terrible little toady you are.
Kynan Dias:And, yeah, he's the most cartoony. Right? Mhmm. Like like you were saying, he's he's kind of he it's like when they were developing, like, American Dad, and they discovered that for whatever reason, they figure out that the alien who lives in the attic is the most interesting character. It takes them two and a half seasons for them to do that.
Kynan Dias:And they're like, oh, yeah. Because this guy can kind of do anything. He can morph and he could put on roles. He's like a missus Doubtfire character.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. He like and and that's part of the joke is that like, you know, whenever he goes up to to Earth, he kinda has to pose as a human and it's very like, he's got these human sensibilities anyway, like, even down there. Right? Right. And yeah, like he starts out as like, you know, this personal assistant, this lackey who does the dirty work, but like also a shoulder to cry on and a mother hen as these like as as him and the devil kind of like develop as characters and he becomes like the the the schme to devil the devil's Captain Hook.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right? Mhmm. And the jokes about them being sort of a couple are some of the best in the show, I think.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Well, you know, when we were talking about Paradise Lost, we kept shipping
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm.
Kynan Dias:You know, Beelzebub and the devil because, you know, because it's like who who is the devil's friends? Right? Who are the devil's friends? And like here, you have you have that answer for you. So we're like, oh, the companion deer is is Lucifer's friend.
Kynan Dias:But here in this one, right, like that that is interesting if like we're thinking about what's the work life of the devil. Right? Right? Well, then who who does he hang out with? Who who you know, how does he make decisions?
Kynan Dias:What's his relationship with management? Through Schmeck, we get hints that there are departments in hell. Schmeck is like, oh, I have a party for you, but I've also got a party for the lady in accounting, because it's more efficient to have them at the same time rather than have it too, the devil just hates it so much. Right? Like, that that stuff is very very interesting, really original, and, you know, like, becomes the heart of the devil's stories in a lot of these.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Yeah. And the devil is interesting because he's he's got a couple relationships going on. He's got this this budding relationship with Schmeck and he's got this unfulfilled or unfulfilling relationship with God. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:We we kind of follow along as as the show progresses. Right. You know, at first it's like, oh, it's this adversarial thing. It's like, God. You know, he thinks he's so hot.
Lester Ryan Clark:Well, I'll show him. But then you you kind of realize that he needs validation from God. Mhmm. He feels like he's being ignored. Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. I I think it was the the same episode, the devil's birthday Mhmm. Where they kind of have this confrontation out back like, you know, in in Bob's backyard. Like, invites both of them because they're not speaking to each other. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And he invites both of them Mhmm. Like not telling the other one and you get this very human interactions like, oh, I didn't know he was showing up. Mhmm. Right? Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And then they then they fight and then, you know, it it comes out that, you know, it's like, it's it's it's never been the same since he he threw me out of heaven. Mhmm. Right? And Bob kind of gets them to to talk this out. And I do like, you know, God's like, oh, he was my best angel.
Lester Ryan Clark:He was my brightest, you know, star. Mhmm. It's like, you never told me that before. So I think he's telling you now. And, you know, they kinda they make up and I like, okay.
Lester Ryan Clark:Alright. I I like the idea that all of the devil's evil is kind of inspired by his need to impress or be validated by God. Right. Mhmm. And it's it's like kind of like a like like a father issue type thing.
Kynan Dias:Right. Yeah. Yeah. Here he doesn't see Bob as as a brother figure. He's not a sibling rivalry like like in Paradise Lost at all.
Kynan Dias:But but yeah, he he's doing what God has told him to do, which which we have found in some of the other, you know, pieces of literature. Like, he's told he's done exactly what God wants him to do and then is is he feels punished for it. I think our God wouldn't see it that way that he that that the devil is being punished. Like, the devil has a nice position and everything. Like like, what is it that the devil would want here in this in this version?
Kynan Dias:Right? But that's how the devil sees it.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. Now whose side are we on?
Kynan Dias:I like I like this devil. I I I want him to be happy. Yeah. Mostly so that Smack gets to be happy. Yes.
Lester Ryan Clark:I think this devil needs to turn around Mhmm. And look and see that he's got a great toady
Kynan Dias:You're right.
Lester Ryan Clark:Friend, partner Mhmm. That he is not appreciating even as he's bewailing the fact that he is not being appreciated by God. Right. I think it's that perfect thing. It's like like how how how he treats Schmeck Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Is how he imagines he is being treated by God.
Kynan Dias:Right. Now, devil from this show that got canceled twenty five years ago, listen up.
Lester Ryan Clark:Uh-huh. Mhmm.
Kynan Dias:When you point a finger to smite Schmeck Mhmm. You notice that there are three fingers pointing back at you.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. And it's actually three because these characters have five fingers.
Kynan Dias:I had to think about that for a second. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Now, do you have a favorite episode that we watched?
Kynan Dias:Well, I have some interesting someone that covers some interesting ground. Right? So the pilot is is what is, you know, the basics of we have to judge the entire human race through Bob. So that that's interesting. It's kind of a Star Wars Next Generation thing where that's what the pilot's about and then it sort of hovers in the background of the rest of the show Mhmm.
Kynan Dias:Where that maybe that's still happening, but then we have these sort of side quests. And I'm less of a fan of the ones where God decides to, like, send Bob on a task to do something. Yeah. Yeah. But there are some really interesting ones.
Kynan Dias:There's some really, like, deep looks in theology in the episode where Bob's father dies, which is a very, very late episode. So maybe they would have really gotten some places here. So Bob's father is terrible father, just objectively, right?
Lester Ryan Clark:Yes.
Kynan Dias:Maybe Bob isn't the great son because he isn't forgiving of his father. And his wife and family want him to cool off and be better to him. So that's Donna played by Lori Maccalf, right? But Bob's father dies, and Bob is convinced that he's gone to hell, but he's not there because he's in heaven. Bob cannot understand that, like how someone who hurt him so much could possibly be in heaven.
Kynan Dias:And unlike you know, normal humans, he actually can talk to God and try to get a straight answer from it, but he only gets the same kind of rote answers that we always get of like Right. You know, God works in mysterious ways and all that.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:That's what the problem with having God as a character is Mhmm. He still can't actually give you answers.
Kynan Dias:Well, I don't think that God has answers for that kind of thing. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:No. That was actually I think I'm gonna say, like, that was maybe one of my favorite episodes. Mhmm.
Kynan Dias:That's that's surprisingly deep. And, like, like, God God is his friend and, like, God could do favors for him, but he can't get he can't just fix he just can't fix Bob's trauma. Right?
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Can't fix Bob's trauma. Can't bring his father back from the dead. Right. Can't, like give Bob a good reason why he's in heaven Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And not in hell. Right. It's like these are the like not that that it's out of his hands, but it it's it's something that Bob wouldn't it wouldn't serve him
Kynan Dias:Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:To know about those things.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Like you've said sometime in show, it's beyond his can. Right? Just would not God were to to explain it, he wouldn't he's not ready to understand it because he's not he's he's human being. He's not an immortal celestial whatever who might be able to understand it, maybe.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. I do remember, yeah, there was the, like, the last little bit of that episode. Mhmm. God kind of, like, explains it to him and says, you know, that that that Bob's grandfather Mhmm. Was an even more horrible person.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. And that, like, just the he says, you know, but what you don't realize is the trick with with this is to, you know, every single time pass on a softer punch. Mhmm. Which I don't know if that was, like, the best way to to talk about, you know Mhmm. Like, fixing generational trauma.
Lester Ryan Clark:Maybe in 2000, that was the best they could do. But
Kynan Dias:Well, I mean, is the goal for I mean, again, don't want to lecture parents about a parent. That is the goal is to leave the world better than you found it, right?
Lester Ryan Clark:And to
Kynan Dias:leave things better for yourself despite what boomers online will say. That you're supposed to leave it worse off to make millennials feel sad or something. I know.
Lester Ryan Clark:I was just watching. Like, there's there's this whole documentary on on on boomers and and how life is easier for them, and they want it to be harder for you.
Kynan Dias:You're right. That's that's that's backwards, I think. Right?
Lester Ryan Clark:I didn't go to college, and I bought a house when I was 15. Right. Why can't you? Well, gee, I don't know. Maybe because you Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And all of your friends fucked everything up. Right.
Kynan Dias:But it's also back in my day, if I didn't call my boss, sir, I'd get fired instantly. Well, that's bad. Yeah. That's the way it should be today. Like, no.
Kynan Dias:We fix that. That's awful.
Lester Ryan Clark:What's a student loan forgiveness? No. I don't have the capacity to be happy for you because I had horrible student loan. I watched fifth you know, our our brother died of of of whooping cough.
Kynan Dias:I was gonna say, our brother died from drinking from the hose, and that's the way we liked it.
Lester Ryan Clark:And we said, thank you, God.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. But like, God is judging him. God is judging Bob's father by through some rubric that God that that God could not possibly explain to Bob, and that's very interesting. Yeah. Did you have a favorite episode or one that gets to some ideas about the devil or God?
Lester Ryan Clark:Actually, no. That that that was it. That was that was my favorite. And specifically because of what happens right after that. So God disappears and his father shows up kind of like in this ghosty form and he's sitting at at the bar and Bob kind of like sidles up to him, sits next to him and he said like they're both watching hockey Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And they're not really looking at each other, they're both just watching the game and you get that this is like this is the closest that that, you know, Bob can be Mhmm. Like to to to be like like opening to be open with his father. Yeah. And he says, oh, you know, Wayne Gretzky, you know, it's like I, you know, I I saw him once at a at a game and, know, and our eyes met and, you know, and then he passed by and, you know, you never appreciate somebody until they're out of the game. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And, know, you I just wish that, you know, at that moment, I had told him how much he meant to me. Mhmm. And, you know, he's he's talking about his dad. Mhmm. And without turning around, his dad says, I think he knows.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And then disappears. And that was that's one of those, like and I hate to keep comparing it, but, like, that's one of those Simpsons moments that just, like, gets you, like, in the gut, like, punches you. And you're
Kynan Dias:like, oh, oh, god.
Lester Ryan Clark:Like, this is a funny show, but, like, also, there's these moments that talk about, you know, grief and loss and and and life and and relationships. And and that was one that that, like, hit the nail on the head.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. Yeah. I just wonder with the with the show like this. Like, The Simpsons was not good in its first season and a half. And then
Lester Ryan Clark:See, yeah. And I gotta stop. Is unfair because I'm comparing I'm comparing, like, later seasons to to this show's first season.
Kynan Dias:Oh, but, you know, yeah. But you always just sort of wonder what might have happened with a with a show like this. Which is a complicated high high premise show. Or, you know, like, again, American Dad, which is, I think, genius, didn't really figure it out until a couple seasons in,
Lester Ryan Clark:that kind
Kynan Dias:of thing. Yeah, they might have gotten there. Some of the episodes where God is trying to learn through Bob what modern life is like is very interesting. So yeah, like God comes down. He seems to never have had a Pop Tart before or what have you.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. But there's one where he decides to pose as a new hire at the plant, at the auto plant, that I think is really interesting.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm.
Kynan Dias:And and God seems to he's he's a little oblivious, he seems to expect that Bob's friends will have the kind of grace for him that he has for them as he's messing things up at the plant that I also find very, very fun of God not being good the plant and not being good at at being a good friend and hanging out like one of the guys and all of them resenting him and God just not, like, at least seemingly at first and not be aware of what human beings think of him.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. Kind of being oblivious. Like, there's is this in the same episode where, like, he he participates in the in the in the baseball game? Yeah. And he's just he's just a tear
Kynan Dias:he's terrible. Bad at it. Yeah. But
Lester Ryan Clark:it's but it's it's it's in this, like, sweet kind of, like, grandpa. Like, you know, he raises his glove. Like, oh, that one got away from me. Yep. That one that one did too.
Kynan Dias:Right. And he's like, well, it's just a game. You know, life is not about winning. Life is about, you know, being and all of Bob's friends are just like, I wanna fucking kill that guy. And Bob having to work as like a translator for God in some way and protect God, I think is super interesting.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. So the episodes are actually rated on IMDb.
Kynan Dias:Oh, yeah. By the fans. I didn't look at those. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Without looking yet, can you guess which one is number one?
Kynan Dias:Probably the Devil's Birthday.
Lester Ryan Clark:No. What is the Devil's Where is that? Oh, that's number five.
Kynan Dias:Oh, oh, geez. Number five. Alright. What's the what's the best episode?
Lester Ryan Clark:I don't know if I agree with this. God's Girlfriend.
Kynan Dias:With my favorite, Liz Taylor, playing God's on again, off again girlfriend.
Lester Ryan Clark:Oh, okay.
Kynan Dias:She looks like Liz Taylor. She's designed to look like her.
Lester Ryan Clark:Well, we go. Yeah. So, yeah. So so that yeah. Everybody liked that one.
Lester Ryan Clark:And then right below that is Bob's father Uh-huh. Which I would I would put as number one. Mhmm. And then, actually, between that and Devil's Birthday. Okay.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. But then you got The Date From Hell, God's Favorites, Bob Gets Committed. Mhmm. And then all the way down at the at the bottom, and this is the one where, like, I watched and I didn't have just like I just had no notes. But, like, in a in a way of, like, not in a, like, oh, this is great.
Lester Ryan Clark:No notes. Right? Because I couldn't think of it. Is there's too much sex on TV.
Kynan Dias:Right. That's one where God dispatches Bob to fix fix TV's smut problem. Yeah. Yeah. But no, but some of those other ones, just really quickly, so God's Favorite is about Bob assuming because he almost dies of an accident on the line at the automotive plant and survives.
Kynan Dias:He assumes that God is looking out for him and he starts acting. And we I think we're supposed to kind of guess that that it's not, that he he just has this luck and he thinks that that, you know, he's God's chosen prophet and so he can do whatever he wants and Right. That's super interesting. And then Bob gets committed. I think that's a that's an interesting episode as well.
Kynan Dias:Like, so Bob as a prophet, trying to convince people. He's supposed to keep it a secret, but then he kind of let it slip. Then he gets put in a mental institution, which is probably exactly what would happen. I mean, that clearly happens to a lot of people who believe that they are prophets today. But that's anyone who were legitimate prophet would probably end up in in treatment and getting getting like antipsychotic drugs.
Kynan Dias:Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. They would definitely have to face that hurdle of no one
Kynan Dias:believing them. No one believing them. Yeah. Yeah. That was super fun.
Kynan Dias:And there's a bunch of like cool fun side characters who live in the mental institution with them.
Lester Ryan Clark:Very one flew over the cuckoo's nest type characters. Mhmm. And there there were some good gags that, like, one of one of the the patients seems to be a doctor until like you know the the orderlies come by and it's like alright give me the you know give me your coat and the clipboard and the you know. So I like that. I also liked it's kind of down on the list.
Lester Ryan Clark:It's number But I liked Bob Gets Involved. Mhmm. And so this is Donna is playing she's she's in in Arsenic in Old Glaze.
Kynan Dias:She's Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:She's one of the one of the cast members.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. One of the old ladies who kills people in the Yeah. Play. Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Right? With arsenic. But like this this episode seems to be about how Bob is not paying attention to his family. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. And he's not present for them. And at at like at one point, I I think, yeah, somebody wrote like the f word on on Andy's lunchbox. Mhmm. And yeah, so so this kind of like inspires Bob to like go on this whole, I don't know what you would call it, like like he he he gets involved in like all of these charities.
Lester Ryan Clark:Right. And you know, he gets this group together and, you know, starts trying to, like, do good works and everything like that. And and all the while, like, he's not paying attention to Andy or his daughter or Right. Or his wife who's, know, who's working very, very hard on this play. Mhmm.
Lester Ryan Clark:And by the end, we find out and and, like, Andy's doing, like, worse and worse things, like, he's he's smashing trophies and stuff like And it like it it comes to a head when like now Bob's group is trying to like shut down this production of arsenic complaints Because
Kynan Dias:it's about murder.
Lester Ryan Clark:Because it's about murder. And then you find out that, you know, Andy's the one who who wrote the f word on his Right. Mhmm. He was trying to get his dad's attention. Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. And and that's how it kind of like comes to an end is Bob realizes that he's like not been there for his family.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. That's a little bit like everything everywhere all at once we were just talking about. On our other show, Every Minute of Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yes.
Kynan Dias:But that is where Bob the Devil and God ends. And yeah, we didn't talk a whole lot about the human characters, even though, again, this is really strong voice talent. It's like Yes. French Stewart as Bob Allman Yeah. Larry Metcalfe as his wife, and then Nancy Cartwright and Kath Suchi as as the children.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. So that's Bart Simpson playing Megan, the daughter Right. And and Phil and Lil, among amongst, you know, many, many other things. Kath Suchi playing playing Andy.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. But, yeah, they just hadn't figured those characters out by the time that they got canceled or maybe maybe maybe, you know, maybe the concept is just not
Lester Ryan Clark:workable. I I wanna I wanna give I wanna give the actors, you know, like like all the credit. I think I think this was a case of, like, yeah, this is the this is the first season, and, you know, we're we're still getting our bearings. Because, like, Stewie, you know, Family Guy season one is very different from Stewie Right. You know, season I don't know whatever season they're on now.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. A 100, I think. Oh, geez. Yeah. I think it's her hundredth episode.
Lester Ryan Clark:And the same thing with Bart and the same thing with with Lisa. Lisa I mean, we we can go back into the whole, like, flanderization thing. Right? But, you know, they all kind of they find their niches, and I think I think this was was them kind of, like, feeling those characters of Megan, of of Andy, of Bob and the devil and and God. Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:Hey. That's the that's the that show.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. Yeah. So I think that this fits within the canon of our devil and episodes really well. Yeah. Yeah.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. I would have been interested to see how the rest of it went. I mean, did see that James Gardner wrote in his memoirs about his whole career that he had a really fun time playing God Oh. And that he would have liked to have continued on with it.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. I would have liked to to see how this how this show played out. Mhmm. I think it was a little bit salty in the in the the start of this episode, but no. This is this is something I would definitely follow.
Lester Ryan Clark:Mhmm. Yeah. I don't know. Hey. Who knows?
Lester Ryan Clark:May like, anything's possible. Maybe, you know, we'll get a miracle and and we'll get season
Kynan Dias:two. Right.
Lester Ryan Clark:But, yeah, really good ending to our Devil and season. Mhmm. And I think folks, we're gonna take a a little bit of a a break again just to get prepared. I don't know if it's gonna be as long as like we we said one month and it became three months last But we'll keep you posted on Discord and our our Facebook group Mhmm. Just so you know like when we're coming back.
Lester Ryan Clark:We're definitely coming back and next season is gonna be all about the apocalypse Mhmm. Because of course it is. Very apt. And we're gonna be talking all about the book of Revelation.
Kynan Dias:Mhmm. Yeah. So that stuff like the Antichrist and the mark of the beast and what's gonna happen to you and your family really, really shortly, everybody. Yes. Like like, I trust this really, really
Lester Ryan Clark:Like
Kynan Dias:Like,
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. We we like talked before on this show about how everybody thinks that, you know, they're gonna be alive when, you know, when the the the apocalypse happens and and, know, don't they realize that that's not gonna be the case? Well, everybody. Looks like looks like we're the ones.
Kynan Dias:Yeah. That's gonna be really fun. It's about Mhmm. About the end of days.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yes. Yes. So yeah. So check out our other shows. We're still gonna be doing every minute of everything everywhere all at once.
Lester Ryan Clark:Every week, there's not gonna be a a stop, for that one until we finish the movie. So yeah. And then and then we'll kick back in with oh, what should we call?
Kynan Dias:The new season. Don't have one yet.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Alright. We can't call it the end because there's gonna be more after that. We still gotta get to, like, screw tape letters and Mark Twain and
Kynan Dias:No. Have tons of double stuff, but we should just we should just piggyback on something popular. I think that's always we should call it Avengers Endgame.
Lester Ryan Clark:Sure. Let's do that. Hey. With Robert Downey Jr.
Kynan Dias:Who was supposed to be the devil originally on
Lester Ryan Clark:this on this topic. Fun fact, everyone. Fun fact. He was he was gonna be the devil, but then they got God. Alan Cohen.
Lester Ryan Clark:God, Belen Bob.
Kynan Dias:Yeah.
Lester Ryan Clark:Yeah. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, folks, while you prepare for the apocalypse, we will be preparing notes for the biblical apocalypse and and we will be back in forty days
Kynan Dias:and forty That's a great time for
Lester Ryan Clark:Sounds about right. Yeah. But yeah, folks, until then, this has been the Devil and season of the Devil's Details. I've been Lester Ryan Clark. You can summon me in all the socials as Lester Ryan Clark.
Kynan Dias:And I've been Keenan Diaz, you can invoke me on Instagram and Letterbox as Howdy Keenan.
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