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Being from the p m studios in Chicago, you're listening to Diesel that with your hosts told Variety. And Scott Sanders is getting scared. boys and girls, welcome to the latest edition of This or That. I'm one of your hosts. I'm Scott Sanders from the podcast Entertainment Network alongside my regular co-host, Paul Brady. Paul, how are you today?
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I'm doing great, Scott. Glad to be here. How are you doing? I'm doing well this fall here, we've picked a couple of topics here for our next upcoming shows that are timely and relative to, of course, America's favorite pastime football. So this show, Paul Ryan tackled the college game, talking about all the conference realignment that's gone on recently and whether or not sort of these super leagues are better or worse than these more traditional conferences.
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So that's where we'll kick things off. Notice how I tackle this and kick things off. Very clever. Saw what you did there. Fantastic. So why don't you go first trying to persuade our listeners to your way of thinking? I think you're going to sort of handle the super conference argument well, I search for nostalgia and the traditional conference.
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Unknown
Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah. And so super conferences are quite a phenomenon, aren't they? I mean, this is this is this is so interesting and it's happening so quickly. Now all of a sudden, you know, I think back to the the old days of the traditional conferences, the Rose Bowl at one time was big. You know, Big Ten versus, I think at the time was a PAC ten and even started as the PAC eight that most of our lives.
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It's been the PAC ten. Yeah. So and now here we are, we're going to these big national conferences. And I think that, you know, the one of the one of the big things that'll come out of it, especially for football or maybe maybe mainly for football or only for football is just a playoff systems, a playoff system that can be based on actual records rather than on rankings.
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Unknown
And, you know, I can get into that argument a little bit later on, but that's one of the big items that I would like, like to base my argument on. Yeah, I guess, you know, one of the things it seems like you're saying is that, hey, if you win your conference in one of these super conferences, you are actually sort of worthy of this playoff position, right?
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You know that you've earned it against top level competition and not because you won the, you know, six of the best. Right conference in the country's title. Yeah. I mean the old was a Bill Parcells. Your record is what it says you are you are what your record says it is. Right exactly So yeah and that's true. And that is an argument for it that, you know, essentially these are all sort of, you know, regular season games, but they're also, in a sense, elimination games throughout the year.
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Right. You able to win, you know, the title in in an expanded Big 12. You truly are, you know, a champion and worthy of that. So. All right. I guess that's a legitimate argument for this sort of super conference idea. Yeah. You know, another argument would be that the I think that the national conferences, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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But between that and the the new rules for transfers, I think that it's possible that some of the recruiting will become a little bit less disparate, write more parity and team talent overall. So for example, if you know in an 18 team, you know, conference where you've got maybe Florida and Alabama on the one hand and you've got, you know, some lesser known or schools with lesser known football traditions on the other.
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VANDERBILT Yeah, like Vanderbilt. Good, good example. Thank you. So, you know, today, you know, Vanderbilt is going to be on national TV, you know, once or twice a year. Right. You know, in a national conference, they're more likely to be on national TV many times per year. And you know, more exposure and, you know, more overall recruiting reach.
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And so maybe we'll see a little bit more, you know, parity and where the talent goes in college football. Yeah. So I think that's a really good point that you're making there. You know, for the super conference idea, you're a high school kid, you're decent at football, maybe you're not being recruited by Alabama and Georgia. Right. But your choices are to go to a lesser team in a super conference or, you know, be sort of a big fish in a small pond, going to a smaller team and a smaller conference.
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They all think that they're on the path to the NFL. And so they want to play at these big schools. And the more teams that are in the super conferences, the more room there is for these players. If you consider all of those teams as the haves. Right. But but it is a knock against, you know, somebody going to Utah State or somewhere like that because, you know, they're not part of the halves.
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Unknown
Right. They're going to be right out of these super conferences. Yeah, that is true. And that would be kind of, you know, maybe an argument against the super conference that, you know, schools, you know, such as, you know, Utah State, as you mentioned, not to pick on Utah State, but yeah, some of these smaller schools that don't have the traditional programs in place.
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But what happens to them? I mean, do they really just become kind of like division two with in Division one? All right. Exactly. Yeah. You know, I chose Utah State because they played they did and represented themselves nicely. They didn't win, but they they did not win. But they but they played a good little shot. Good good ball game at my at my Hawkeyes.
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Unknown
Yeah, exactly. So yeah. Conscious choice there, dude. Conscious choice. So I think that is a good point, though. You know that one of the things that these super conferences become are a little bit more like the NFL and the player portal becomes a little bit more like, yeah, everything in college football is moving towards sort of the NFL paradigm, Right?
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And there's nothing wrong with the NFL. It's it's, you know, the most popular sport in America and it seems to be growing every year. So, you know, why not emulate them, Right? Totally. And I'll I'll actually take that a little bit farther. A little further. The it's interesting in the in the in the NFL, like sometimes I've thought about I thought of college football as maybe maybe as it's been here traditionally on kind of like life support it being sustained artificially.
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Unknown
I know that's a crazy thing to say considering you know you can you can go on a football Saturday to Columbus or Ann Arbor or, you know, some of the other big programs and, you know, a hundred and 507,000 people will show up for the game. But if you think about the fact that in the NFL there's rules against a player even going to the NFL and to what, he's 20 or 21.
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Unknown
Right. Three years out of high school. So three years out of high school. Okay. So then I think about like the the ability to kind of like, I'll say, spin up new sports leagues more quickly and easily than we've ever been able to do in the past. I mean, sports is big business like it's never been before. So you look at something like the the XFL or the USFL, both of which have had kind of brand, you know, resurrections, you know, a few times in the last few years.
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One of those types of leagues could easily dislodge, I think, college football in its traditional format, because you'd have some kids are like, I don't I don't I want to play football, period. That's it. I'm not I don't want to go to school. I want to go to the XFL. I'll get paid. You know, maybe sign an NFL contract, but nonetheless, I'll get paid.
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And so the point I'm coming around to is that I think the super conferences, because it makes, you know, again, it makes you know, it makes the the league look more like the NFL. It it, you know, creates more of a magnet for high talent players. And like you said earlier, like, hey, if you can't go to Florida, you know, go to Vanderbilt, you'll still get exposure.
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Unknown
I think it defends against attacks, so to speak. Right. From kind of a business perspective from leagues like the XFL. Yeah. Yeah. A defensive move. So, you know, for the skeptic who says that'll never happen in football, it's definitely happening in basketball. If you look at the top draft, you know, boards in any given year, they're not playing in the G League.
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Unknown
You know, they're not playing as much as you had Duke and Kansas in. Right. You know you look at those top Yeah players you know more than half are playing in the G league That's interesting Yeah and I haven't followed basketball as much in the past few years but I'm aware of the G League in that. Yeah. Yeah.
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Unknown
And you wouldn't be some of these minor league football. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So there's a few points there and I'm sure you have more to get to in terms of the super conferences, but to not let you run too far ahead, you know. Let me. Yeah, please. The traditional, you know, column. Right. And you know, I'm trying not to make this a sort of get off my lawn.
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Unknown
You know, I like things the way they play against change. Right. Right. But, you know, there is something unique to college football and that allows it to exist against the NFL. Right. So the NFL are obviously the best athletes, you know, the best teams, the best skill offered on the globe as it relates to American style football. Right.
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But there is room for college and it's because of the things that they do differently, not because of the things they do the same. Right. So the rivalries in college are really important. These traditional rivalries, then it's what really made the college game great. And so, you know, if you start to mess with these rivalries, if you start to say, hey, from now on, UCLA is going to play Rutgers.
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And, you know, at the latest news, you know, SMU is going to play Virginia annually, right? You know, you're messing with the traditional rivalries there. And that's what, you know, sort of built college football. And I think to a large degree, that's what maintains college football. Yeah. So to me, the traditional conferences through their traditional rivalries are really important.
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Unknown
And I know that the super conferences are trying to maintain some level of continuity with those traditional rivalries, but they're just not going to, you know, when they've got 18 or 20 teams in a league, you know, be able to keep that going. They may pick one or two, but there's not going to be the opportunity for them to continue all of those traditional rivalries.
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Unknown
Yeah, absolutely. That's a good point, Scott. I mean, you and I both went to two Big Ten schools back in the day, so to speak. And there was something you know, there was something to, you know, you know, football season back then. Was it ten games or 11 games? And within the Big Ten, you could pretty much every year we would see our school play against every other school in that in that in that conference.
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Unknown
Right. And it was in there was something great about it. And some of the some of the rivalries were definitely bigger than others. And within each conference there is that one rivalry that everybody, you know, everyone looks forward to for the school that they root for. So, yeah, I think that is a risk. And in the 18 to 20 team conference, you're right.
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Unknown
I mean, you're just not going to be able to you know it's going to take Yeah. To maintain or you know building new rivalries is going to be hard and rivalries is such a big I mean, it's a huge marketing point. It's it's how the sport is sold to. Right. It makes interest on a weekly basis. Yeah. You know, it's you know, so in the case of, you know, your affinity for Iowa, you know, hey, it's Minnesota week.
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Unknown
It's Wisconsin week, right? You know, and you say, well, all those new rivalries will emerge, You know, all of a sudden that Iowa it's going to be USC week, right? We're going to play USC every year because you've got too many other teams. That's right. Yeah. New rivalries won't have a chance to sort of be birthed. So, yeah.
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Unknown
So that to me is the strongest argument, but that is definitely a get off my lawn, you know, kind of thing. The second one, to me it involves all of the non-revenue sports, right? And so I think this argument might be different if we said pull up football, make the super conferences for football, but then leave everything else with the traditional conferences and we could sort of meld our two perspectives on this and say maybe that's a good outcome, but for now we're handling it the way they're handling it, which is all or nothing for all of the different sports in their conference.
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Unknown
And so these non-revenue sports, you know, women's field hockey, men's wrestling, right. They're going to be traveling cross-country for these games, Right? They're missing all of that class time, you know, having all of that wear and tear on them in terms of travel, Right? Yeah. You know, like you and I both have traveled regularly. There's wear and tear associated with it no matter how you fly.
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Unknown
Right? Right. They're working out not in their own environment. So they're using different machines, different in different places in the country. Right. And so, you know, these non-revenue sports are really taking a beating at the expense of almighty football. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, to keep adding to your argument, I would add a little I would also add in kind of and who benefits from this the most because by and large these kids aren't going to go play professional sports.
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Unknown
Right? Right. And so they're being dragged all over the country and they're having fun. I mean, one would assume, you know, that these scholarship athletes are there because they want to be and so forth. Nonetheless, the reality is most of them are not going to go earn a living playing sports. And so the benefit for these, you know, of the beneficiaries of these super conferences are going to be the schools themselves.
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Unknown
And, you know, probably the you know, the people who administer, you know, the games and obviously the ones who broadcast the games. Sure, Definitely so. So, you know, right now, so far, we've hit on a lot of the big topics, right, that you're hearing elsewhere in the conversations you're having with your neighbor every time there's new realignment. When we get back from the break, you know, let's pick off some of the the more unique aspects of this traditional versus super conferences.
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You know, that's one way to describe it. Some of the perhaps not often talked about aspects of that as well. So let's take our first break here. Now, Paul, please don't touch with the show. It's this or that at podcast entertainment dot com via email or give us a call through the listener hotline 833 pods. Now that's 8337637638.
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833 pod set. That's 8337637638. Or email us this are that podcast entertainment icon. So before the break, Paul, we were hitting sort of the high level things in this debate between super conferences versus traditional conferences. Now, before we get back into it, I've got a top five list of the top college names, names of football players this season in college football.
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So I've got a couple outside looking in for the top five. Did you know there is a person named Boobie Curry? I did not know. He plays for Buffalo. Okay. Well, they played there on TV yesterday. Yeah, they played against Wisconsin. Yeah, that's right. Did it themselves just fine. Also outside looking in, there's a guy named Pig Cage.
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Unknown
Pig in cage. Wow. Seven letters. He could fit that whole name on a license plate. He plays for Texas San Antonio. You see, our our top five now, Sina Sila. It's a lot That's I LH Shiraz is first name. Boston College number four, the coldest Crawford from Nebraska. Wow. Coldest. That dude, it's cold. Yeah. In the wintertime, he's probably aptly named.
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Yeah, I would imagine so. Yeah. All right, Number three, Tennessee has a dude named Squirrel white squirrels. What is he, a little guy or a giant guy? Like, like, would be funny, like, £350. Yeah, right. Yeah. Squirrel. Yeah. Yeah. Sticking with the animal theme. North Carolina has Storm Duck a defensive back. He's actually really good on duck. Duck played for North Carolina was on TV in the nationally televised game against South Carolina last night and the top college name for this year from Alabama.
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He will be a first round draft pick next year Kool-Aid McKinstry Kool aid McKinstry defensive back very good for Alabama as they always are. Kool-Aid McKinstry as a top five number one college name for the 2023 football season. So get to know Kool-Aid right Warm squirrel, the coldest and shit up. Those are some names. Yeah, those are some names.
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Nothing else. Their names. All right, let's get back into our debate. That so? Yep. You know, I was mentioning during the break here and before the break, I said to the audience that, you know, hey, you can hear some of this top line stuff, you know, anywhere. So we wanted to get into sort of the more subtle differences between these super conferences and traditional conferences.
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Unknown
And and one of the ones that I find interesting is, you know, when you get to these super conferences, you just don't know as many alumni from from there. You know, here in the Midwest, you know, I went to Illinois and I love when Illinois is playing a certain Big Ten team and each week it's different. So, you know, Indiana week, I'm constantly, you know, good naturedly razzing.
00;18;05;04 - 00;18;30;02
Unknown
You know, my my neighbor who went to Indiana, I've got a neighbor who went to Penn State. And I can, you know, sort of joke with him. And the text messages go back and forth. Right. And so, you know, that's a lot of fun, especially during the week while you're waiting for the games, is to, you know, have those side bets, have that banter, have that needling that you have in the office or among your buddies when you're talking about college football and these traditional rivalries where you yourselves went to some of these schools.
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Unknown
And so, you know, I asked you during the break, you know, here in the Big Ten country, how many people have you met in your life who went to UCLA or USC or Oregon or Washington? You know, these four West Coast teams that just joined the Big Ten? I know one well, one that I sort of have seen regularly.
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Unknown
I know some from when I've worked out West. Right. But, you know, I've known one of these people from all four of those schools. You know, there's a million alumni or more from from those four schools combined. I've not one in my life. Right. Yeah, same thing. I mean, I think I mentioned I work with one guy that has a degree from UCLA who just moved back to California, and we've yet to have our first football conversation.
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Unknown
So maybe it would have been interesting had he stayed here. That would have been, the one UCLA guy. When the Hawkeyes eventually get around to playing the Bruins, we could have maybe had a little bit of fun. But yeah, good point by you there is the local rivalries and the ability to you know drive you know across state line and be there.
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Unknown
I mentioned you know when I was when I was attending University of Iowa and Iowa City during Illinois weekend, the campus turned orange. I mean, all the sudden we were invaded. And I tell you, that was that was you know, it wasn't probably the biggest rivalry. But as far as like student bodies colliding easily, easily the biggest. I mean, we were invaded by Illinois and that and that and that led to a lot of great conversations.
00;19;46;10 - 00;20;04;03
Unknown
And I have a lot of friends that would come to town that goes away with these 2000 mile rivalries. Well, and, you know, you could say, hey, look, you know, if you're from the Midwest, how about a cool trip out to L.A. once a year to go see you, UCLA or U.S.? True. Yeah. You know. Hey, when was the last time you were in Seattle, Washington game, right?
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Unknown
But that's, you know, not everyone could do that. Certainly the student body can't do that. Right. So when you're talking about the campus being invaded, it's really cool, you know, to have those road trips while you're in school, you know, to go see the game at the away team, Right kind of thing. Yeah. You're never going to have that with these long distance rivalries.
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Unknown
That's that's, that's, that's a fair point. Yeah, That was my sort of second of the four points to make during this segment. Yeah. The third one that you know is a little bit smaller, but this idea of start times, right. I like the consistency of start times. You know, here in Big Ten country, there's an 11:00 game, there's a 230 game, and then the big game of the week is always at night, right?
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Unknown
11 230 and at night. And occasionally now there'll be a Friday night game or something like that. But, you know, here in the Midwest Central Time, that's 11 230 and seven. Right. You know, when they're going to start to play out in Washington, you know, what time are they going to make that game? It's going to be inconvenient for one base or the other.
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Unknown
Yeah. So you say, well, they're going to start at 9:00 Central, 7 p.m. You know, they're right to placate the Washington fans. Right, right, right. Well, 9:00 doesn't work here. So you say I want to play earlier. We're going to play it at 5 p.m. Pacific. So it's 7:00 in the Central Time. Yeah, that's a weird time. The right time for them either.
00;21;16;28 - 00;21;31;23
Unknown
Yeah. So it's suboptimal for one audience or the other. So the start times are going to be screwed up between these different things. You're not going to have three windows, you're going to have six windows of game times that are happening. You say, Well, good, I get to watch more football. You're not watching all those games anyway, right?
00;21;31;25 - 00;21;46;21
Unknown
So this inconsistency with start times is going to alienate one fan base every week between the two teams playing. On the other hand, hey, if your team's having a good year or if you're a die hard fan, you're going to you're going to figure it out. You're going to make time for it. You're you know, the team that's good is going to do that.
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Unknown
You're right. So, you know, you're used to the Iowa game being at 11:00 with them. Very good. Right. You know, on a Saturday, right. You know, Illinois is even worse. And so they get them they get a lot of 11:00 times definitely in Illinois. Well, I know you have a Friday game just to get exposure and things like that, Right?
00;22;02;22 - 00;22;22;27
Unknown
Right. Yeah. And so, you know, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, they're used to the Yeah, they get the 230 games in the evening game. Yeah. You know, but you know when to expect it. Yep. So then the last thing I wanted to bring up here is this idea of regional styles, right? So, you know, when you had sort of your traditional colleges, you know, the Big 12 is known for no defense, total offense.
00;22;22;27 - 00;22;42;16
Unknown
You know, games in the fifties, right. The PAC 12 with skill players, but also, you know, low defense, different style of play, not necessarily sort of the run and shoot the way it was in the big 12, you know, the Midwest. You know, the Big Ten is ground and pound, you know, kind of thing. Like Iowa still thinks it's that way right now anymore.
00;22;42;16 - 00;23;06;09
Unknown
We've got a quarterback now. Yeah yeah all the way good for 24 points yesterday but yeah first time by the way they scored a touchdown pass on their opening drive of the season since 1991. Right. And so it's been over 30 years since Iowa had a touchdown pass on their first drive. My son, who went to Iowa, texted me that and I said, Yeah, you know, it's once every 30 years the quarterback falls down on a play and lets you complete a touchdown pass.
00;23;06;12 - 00;23;26;00
Unknown
So those are the same years that Illinois goes to a ballgame. Yeah, that's true. Good point. Yeah. Yeah, definitely a nice one, Paul. But this idea of regional styles, right, you know, that's going to go away as as you lose the regionality of I don't know if that's a word, you know, it is now regional ness, the differences in play, you know, that are Yeah.
00;23;26;05 - 00;23;41;17
Unknown
With each of the different conferences, they're going to go away. Yeah. Yeah, they'll go away. Yeah. I mean, I mean I suppose that will go away. I mean I could counterpoint and say hey the, the cool thing that will happen is you will get a little bit more homogenization, but you'll see all these different styles of play, you know, more frequently.
00;23;41;17 - 00;24;06;02
Unknown
So if you're Iowa or Illinois or any other school in the Big Ten, you know, the ground and pound game kind of gets, you know, you're going to see more of the the wide open pass, you know, you know, you know, offenses and stuff like that and hopefully, you know, be influenced by it. So, yeah, the regional differences are interesting, but it'll be kind of cool to to see, you know, how these schools adapt each other's styles over time.
00;24;06;08 - 00;24;23;28
Unknown
And in the short term, I think it's actually really interesting and positive because you're going to see the clash of these different styles, right? Yeah. You know, you say Lee and Chip Kelly playing against Kirk Ferentz in Iowa. You know, that's going to be an interesting dynamic, too, until, you know, over time, these leagues kind of homogenized, Right.
00;24;23;28 - 00;24;40;13
Unknown
You know, move to the middle. So, you know, some some subtler points around, you know, the traditional conferences, you know, the people, you know, you know, so you can sort of talking trash during the week around the water cooler kind of thing. You know, this variance in START times is going to be a pain for at least one fan base of every game.
00;24;40;13 - 00;25;01;12
Unknown
Yeah, there's an inability now to easily travel to a road game, the time and money investment necessary and then what I think will become a homogenized style of, you know, you know, standard across all the different super conferences and lose those regional differences. And in terms of how college football is played. Yeah, yeah. I think those are good points.
00;25;01;12 - 00;25;19;19
Unknown
I think that you know some of the the the other things some counterpoints I mean that we'll see is like, you know we're going to see some new rivalries and yeah, it's going to be different but, but, but we don't know it might be really cool. I mean you know UCLA playing against, you know, Ohio State every year, every other year.
00;25;19;21 - 00;25;36;04
Unknown
It's hard to predict the future, but maybe that's, you know, just pulling one out of thin air and maybe that becomes a great rivalry somehow or another. I mean, we've seen weird things. I mean, like I mean, different sport, different league. But, you know, when the Blackhawks were good a few ten years ago, they in the Vancouver Canucks of all teams had this amazing rivalry.
00;25;36;04 - 00;26;05;14
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And those are cities that are separated by, you know, 22,000 miles or more. We could see something similar in college football. One other thing about, you know, again, going back to kind of the super conference competing with leagues like the XFL, look, I think it's, you know, overall a good thing if a kid chooses, you know, to go the education route, you know, you're not going to get that if you're in the XFL necessarily.
00;26;05;14 - 00;26;24;14
Unknown
I suppose you could go to school and play in the XFL or the USFL, but likely not likely. You're going to just focus on football, going back to the point that most of these kids aren't going to play professional football. You know, at the NFL level. So you might as well get your education, be working towards something else while you're also in in school to play football.
00;26;24;19 - 00;26;38;16
Unknown
Yeah, that's true. I think some of this makes it actually harder to get that education, but you know, they will be exposed to different things. Yeah I don't even of the country Yeah. You know haven't seen before Right. And so some of that might be good. You know we haven't even talked about other sports. We're talking about football.
00;26;38;16 - 00;26;56;20
Unknown
Yep. Imagine basketball where you play, you know, 25 games a year before you get into conference tournaments. Right. You know, these kids are going to be on the road constantly. Yeah. They're going to have, you know, 12 cross-country trips or they're going to combine it with three games in a week and spend all week on the East Coast and, you know, never be home kind of thing.
00;26;56;20 - 00;27;24;27
Unknown
So. All right. So there's some arguments for and against, you know, something for each. It's interesting to me that rarely, I think rarely, you know, do you sort of notice, you know, paradigm shifting change while it's happening? Usually it's in retrospect, true. Yeah. Here we know we're living in this sort of, you know, strange, you know, hyper hyper changing environment around college sports.
00;27;25;03 - 00;27;40;21
Unknown
You know, we're in it, We feel it, we know it. You know, we're not looking back and saying, you know, wow, in retrospect, there was quite a bit of change going on at that point in time. Right. Right. We know we're in the sort of eye of the storm as it relates to this. And to your point, you know, we don't know how it's going to shake out.
00;27;40;24 - 00;28;04;10
Unknown
Yeah, that's a that's an excellent point. It's interesting. It's interesting to be in in the change and know that it's happening. And and and I think, you know, conversations like ours helped to make it more interesting not to say that this is the most interesting conversation anyone's ever had about this, but I mean, it probably is. But there's a lot of people out there talking about it and making predictions about it and so forth.
00;28;04;10 - 00;28;21;02
Unknown
And that's let's be honest, it's fun. Yeah. You know, it's interesting to imagine what could happen. You know, what else is fun? What's that playing our yes or no game. All right, so we've got that. Well, pass or punt pass are all right. Call it here this time. So, you know we want a theme our yes or no game.
00;28;21;04 - 00;28;38;16
Unknown
This time it's pass or punt. So pass will be a yes and punt will be a no. And so while we still can, let's talk about college football's rivalry trophies, Right. Okay. Because they're all going to go away or at least go dormant. Right. These rivalries are both part. So, yeah, I've got a whole bunch here. You tell me.
00;28;38;16 - 00;29;03;17
Unknown
Pass or punt, yes or no? Does this trophy exist? you're really trying me on this one? I am. So the Wagon Wheel trophy, that real or fake pass? Pass, pass. Yes, it is. There is a wagon match on Akron and Kent State. Play for it since 1923. Right? Right. So that's the wagon wheel since 1923. Is there one called the old Wagon Wheel Pass?
00;29;03;19 - 00;29;24;21
Unknown
That is a yes also. So, yes. So the wagon wheel started in 1923. The old wagon wheel goes all the way back one year farther, maybe 20 to BYU and Utah State. Play for the old wagon Wheel, All right, how about the Apple Cup? But that one's real. That's probably the only one on here that I know.
00;29;24;21 - 00;29;48;06
Unknown
The Apple Cup is Washington against Washington State. Always played Thanksgiving weekend rivalry. We got all right Washington, home of apples Sure not offending our Michigander listeners. True they've been playing for the Apple Cup since 1900. Yep. All right. How about the golden screwdriver? We got a whole bunch of golden ones. Golden screwdriver pass. That is real. Yes. Pass or punched Golden screwdriver.
00;29;48;06 - 00;30;15;01
Unknown
And Fresno State versus Hawaii since 1938. Golden Avocado punt. how are you? It. Can you see my list? No, I can't write the golden avocado. No, as far as I can tell, the Golden avocado trophy does not exist. How about the golden egg bass? Yes, that is true. And more commonly known as the Egg Bowl. In the egg bowl of illness and Mississippi State since 1901, they played the egg and the egg.
00;30;15;01 - 00;30;35;01
Unknown
Well, lately, that is on Thanksgiving night. So one college game on Thanksgiving night. Okay, Well, we've had three golden ones. One more. The golden boot. Does the golden boot pass pass? Yes, it does. Arkansas and LSU. And I'm sure you don't even know these teams. You're just guessing on what these are. Totally. But since 1901. Arkansas analogy of playing for the Golden Boot.
00;30;35;19 - 00;30;57;21
Unknown
All right. So we transitioned from Golden to Boots. So how about the wooden boot? Is it a wooden boot punt? No, that is true. The last Louisiana against Louisiana, Monroe since 1951. The wooden boot about the steel boot pass? Nope. No. Now, about a losing streak. All right. Yeah. All right, so we're done with boots. How about cannons?
00;30;57;26 - 00;31;20;12
Unknown
The Fremont Cannon. Is there a Fremont Cannon Bass? That is true. Fremont, I think of Fremont Street in Vegas. I don't know who Mr. Fremont is, but of course, since it's Fremont. The Fremont Cannon is Nevada and UNLV since 1969. The Nicholas Cannon Pass. Now that's a punt. No, I mean, you know, pop culture reference there. okay.
00;31;20;13 - 00;31;40;17
Unknown
I missed it. no. Nicholas Cannon Trophy does not exist, but he can make one. All right, Tigers, how about the Tiger Rag trophy pass? That is true. Yes, there is a Tiger rag trophy, LSU and Tulane since 1893. Wow. That is the oldest one on my list here, 1883. LSU and Tulane playing for the Tiger rag back then.
00;31;40;17 - 00;32;02;08
Unknown
That's all they could make. The steel probably wasn't invented. Probably not. Yeah, they played for Iraq. How about the Tiger stripe trophy? But point. That's true. No tiger stripe trophy, at least according to Wikipedia. All right, how about the oil can trophy pass? That is true. Fresno State, San Diego State since 1923. How about the gas can trophy fund point?
00;32;02;15 - 00;32;23;29
Unknown
Look at you. You're on a roll. No, no gas can trophy per Wikipedia. All right. Two strange ones here, The Platypus trophy. my gosh. How did you make that up? I'll say pass. Yes. The Oregon and Oregon State play for the Platypus Trophy on rivalry weekend since 1894, the oldest one on my list. And the last one, the $5 bits of Broken Chair trophy.
00;32;24;01 - 00;32;42;10
Unknown
I'm going to say pass. Yes, because who could who could make that up? Yeah. $5 Bits of Broken Chair trophy is played for by Minnesota and Nebraska. Since 900. We find our bits of broken chairs a throw throwaway, right? It's a broken chair and it's only five. This in 1900 $5 was actually a meaningful amount of money. Yeah, I would imagine so.
00;32;42;10 - 00;33;02;10
Unknown
Yeah, maybe there weren't. There weren't as many chairs back then either. Connotation of a throwaway. Not just the five, but trophy. Yeah, $5 trophy. All right. So is a list of probably close to 20 different college trophies. Hopefully. Well, all the trophies will still exist, but hopefully they actually play for them from time to time as we transition into super conferences.
00;33;02;17 - 00;33;23;14
Unknown
Yes. So that's their ball. Just going back and, you know, going back to what we talked about, you know, let's see what happens then. I mean, college football will still be exciting. I think that they'll figure it out. I don't love all the new changes that they're making, but I'm open minded. I like the idea of something I heard yesterday, which is, you know, pull football out, go, go national football.
00;33;23;14 - 00;33;41;07
Unknown
But but return all the other sports to the traditional rivalries in basketball or women's basketball. You know, two of the other revenue generating sports. We can go back to having that banter with our neighbors to like that. Good point. I'll be in the super and football travels on the weekends only so they don't have kids going out on a Wednesday night halfway across the country.
00;33;41;07 - 00;34;00;03
Unknown
Yeah, that's good. That's you know, you go on the road five times a year. Yep. True. Yeah. Yeah. Let them form a super conference and then go back to the traditional ones. In the meantime, I'll continue to tell people to get off my lawn. Sounds good. All right, that's it for this episode of this or that next episode, we'll also be talking football in a little bit different context.
00;34;00;03 - 00;34;29;21
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00;34;29;23 - 00;34;39;29
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