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Shattering the status quo of the commercial and film production industry one cocktail at a time. Tailored for Exec Producers, Line Producers, Agency Producers, Bidders, and Production Teams, our podcast serves as the ultimate destination for continuous learning throughout your career. Bid farewell to industry isolation and gatekeeping; we're forging a collective path through the challenges of production, united in our pursuit of producing excellence.
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Hey there, lone wolf. Yeah. You. We see you. The one navigating the maze of uncertainty in this ever changing industry.
Lawrence:You know, it's it's funny how the chaos of a film set or or even just prepping a project can sometimes feel like a distant memory. But here's the thing, amidst the quiet and all the uncertainty, there is a beacon of hope, a lifeline that has the power to keep us afloat in these turbulent waters. We learned this in 2001 when the planes flew into the buildings. We learned this in 2008 when the economy took a tumble in its community and mentorship.
Sister Christian:In times like these, when the industry takes a pause and the future feels more unpredictable and somewhat shaky more than ever, we believe in mentorship and community steps in as our guiding light. The industry often rewards people for keeping their knowledge, insight, contacts, notebooks, you know, call sheets close to their chest. Evidence of this is apparent in some recent co pros posts that I know I've read, but we're here to promote the opposite.
Lawrence:So grab your headphones, lean in close, and let's dive deep into the power of community and mentorship. Because in a world where the only constant is change, having someone to guide us through the storm might just be the difference between sinking and soaring. So welcome back to the Producer's Happy Hour. You're listening to Producer's Happy Hour. I'm Lawrence Lewis.
Sister Christian:And I'm Sister Christian.
Lawrence:And we're here to help you unravel the complexities of film and commercial production.
Sister Christian:Whether you're a seasoned producer, a production executive, a bidder, or a key part of the production team, we're here to equip you with the insights that I know Lawrence and I wish we had when we started out.
Lawrence:So you can navigate today's production challenges, conquer those demanding clients, and unlock the magic to seamless production.
Sister Christian:All with a cocktail, of course. So grab a drink, say goodbye to the gatekeepers, and let's dive into the art of producing.
Lawrence:This is episode 501. Those who do those who those who work on episodic knows that that means we've been doing this for 5 seasons, our 5th year of producer's happy hour.
Sister Christian:Yeah. It's, hard to believe, but these last 5 years have flown by and also been the slowest
Lawrence:of my life. My god. And here we are, still in in certain territories, but we'll get into that. How are you?
Sister Christian:I'm good. I feel like, you know, I'm still nervous about how where our industry is going, but I'm trying very hard to keep that, out of the forefront of my mind. Yeah. How are you doing?
Lawrence:Same here. I mean, I'm right there with you. I've been I've been fortunate enough to have enough work to, you know, get me through. I know there's a lot of people that are busy, but I know there's a lot more people that are not.
Sister Christian:There's so many people who are not busy right now. I mean, you could just tell. And, like, I understand that the message boards have started to pop up with more jobs, but there's a interesting climate out there right now.
Lawrence:There there is for sure. So we're happy to be back doing this and reconnecting with our community out there, and that's what this episode's all about, community mentorship. Yes. Because it's needed now more than ever. But first, before we get into all that stuff, what are you drinking?
Sister Christian:Well, today, I'm having
Lawrence:a Ah.
Sister Christian:Something by Lone River called a Ranch Rita. It's margarita style spicy.
Lawrence:I love it. I love a ranch water.
Sister Christian:Definitely drinkable.
Lawrence:What are you drinking? I am drinking a a good classic Tito's and soda. You know? Uh-huh. Very basic.
Lawrence:Safe. I went safe. I didn't have a lot of time to prep something fancy. But I do wanna talk about cocktails because like we did last year, cocktail forecast for 2024, last year's was quite Oh, yeah. Accurate.
Lawrence:Right? There was Yes. Yes. Yes. Resurgence of all those nineties cocktails, Appletinis, lemon drops
Sister Christian:I love a It was
Lawrence:my favorite. Espresso martinis. Saw them everywhere. Mhmm. So the cocktail forecast for this year is calling for more coffee based cocktails, believe it or not.
Lawrence:So we'll keep seeing the espresso martinis and maybe some other ones. Also, savory cocktails.
Sister Christian:Oh, yeah. Because I've seen a resurgent of, like, hey. Let's take a dirty martini and make it worse.
Lawrence:Yeah.
Sister Christian:And because I love a good dirty martini. But just a sad pickle juice, so I'm like, oh, Listen. Picklebacks? Sure. Like, I will do a shot of whiskey with a pickle, and then I will I will do all of that.
Sister Christian:But I'll bring one to the show eventually, but I'm just not sure about a pickledini.
Lawrence:I I I am not a fan of pickles. I do not like pickles, but Oh, hot take. I'm sorry. I just don't.
Sister Christian:Lawrence.
Lawrence:But fat washing is also going to be a a trend this year. And here's my top cocktail recommend for Los Angeles. It's in Los Filas. I think you you went there, sister. On Vermont.
Lawrence:They have a cocktail called El Guero. It is avocado fat washed. So it's a mezcal, kind of like a margarita, not as sweet, but it's green because it's been fat washed through, avocado. And it's one of the best cocktails in LA.
Sister Christian:And if it was a if it was in Brooklyn, it would be made by a dude with a handlebar mustache
Lawrence:and his and suspenders.
Sister Christian:But first, Lawrence, have you ever wanted to take your commercial film production skills to the next level?
Lawrence:We've got something special for you. We want you to join us for our very first in person producers boot camp.
Sister Christian:That's right. It's super exciting. You're hearing it here first. Yeah. On Sunday, April 28, 2024, coming up very soon, in Santa Monica, California, We, Lawrence and I, are hosting a half day immersive deep dive into the art of commercial film production.
Lawrence:I mean, talk about community and mentor ship. Right? This is it. We we're finally got someone kicked us in the ass. His name's Jordan Brady.
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Sister Christian:So I've really have been in what I would like to describe as survival mode for 2 years. Like, it's just it's been relentless. There's no forward planning. There's no anything because the way that work has been and the uncertainty from commercial market to streaming Everything. Short form content, like, all that shit.
Sister Christian:Like, everything is so uncertain right now that, I don't know, the industry's changing as we know as it always does.
Lawrence:Yes. And we've got AI. We've got this all this instability in in geopolitics and economics.
Sister Christian:Well, there's so much affecting us now. And then also the you know, we've been talking about it for years. Like, how people receive their TV or their programming is different. So, of course, how they're gonna be advertised to is different.
Lawrence:The 32nd commercial for national broadcast television is a dinosaur, and we have to adapt. And that's what mentorship and community helps people do to get you know, everyone is so and we're I wanna talk about this co pros thread. Everyone is so protective of what they do and and who they are and their resources, their network, their their their, insights into how they operate. It's so protected because everyone's so afraid of of, somebody taking their jobs because they have the information that they have, where as in in in, as opposed to that concept, sharing information and getting a point of view from other producers who maybe do things slightly differently, or actually, maybe they only do commercials every once in a while. And they also do reality TV, or they do experiential, or they do live events, or they do content, can open your eyes to other ways of being more flexible as a producer and finding more ways to reinvent yourself.
Sister Christian:Yeah. 100%. Because I think that we belong to these forums for 2 for multiple reasons in my I do, at least. When I need help, I ask. When I can help, I do.
Lawrence:Yeah. Yeah.
Sister Christian:That's what it is. There's a there's a give and take here. And I can remember when I was transitioning from PMing to producing, half of the people that I worked for immediately cut me off because they were nervous that I would take their job. I'm like, I'm not there's enough work for us to go. Like, what?
Sister Christian:I'm not looking for your job. No. But but since we're all so self taught, that like mentorship is, I think, a very valuable thing, and these forums that we belong to are very valuable because you can gut check yourself. Like, why live in your own spiral of anxiety?
Lawrence:Oh my god.
Sister Christian:Like like, I'm it's my favorite thing to do. But the defensiveness that I've seen sometimes on these platforms by people who are seasoned, it's like, woah, woah, woah. Do you remember what it was like when you were in this position reaching out for help? Like, the teacher always says, the only dumb question is an unasked question.
Lawrence:And I remember, to your point, I remember being a a new producer. I finally made the step up to producing, and I was you know, I had a very particular director, and it's the only director I ever worked with. And I was Right. Didn't know, like, is this normal? This with the way he operates.
Lawrence:And I was like, how do other producers handle this? And I just had no basis to Right. To to, to work on top of. Right? Because you don't as a production manager
Sister Christian:were you gonna get that basis?
Lawrence:And how was it gonna right. So I I, you know, I started asking around like, hey, would you can I take you out to lunch? Would you be my mentor? And it it was just like, what? I don't I don't know what you know, it was a lot of kinda shrugged shoulders and, like,
Sister Christian:Well, also, like, like, what what the what is the expectation of somebody who is the mentor? Yeah.
Lawrence:Do you know
Sister Christian:what I mean? Like, what and then and, honestly, I've been thinking about that question, and it's like, I guess I had what I wouldn't what would be called mentors these days were my pro my producer friends that I would call and and and ask advice about. So unwittingly, we we created a network of mentors and mentees, mentorees.
Lawrence:Yeah. Is that
Sister Christian:because because we actually were open enough and vulnerable enough to ask each other, is this right?
Lawrence:And and I wanna get to this co pros thread, but, like, that's why we created this podcast. Right? It's like, let's talk about our our our what we do and how we do it, and let's build a library of resources for other producers that are coming up behind us. Because without mentorship programs, without education and, sure, you can go to film school, but you're not gonna learn how to produce commercial. I'm sorry.
Lawrence:No matter
Sister Christian:That's what I've heard.
Lawrence:Go to USC, pay all the money you want. You're not gonna learn how to deal with this. So building a a resource a library of resources for for people like, you know, we were just talking to somebody the other day who turned down, you know, a a specific type of shoot because they never did it before. And it's like you're a producer. You can figure out, you know, you can figure it out.
Lawrence:Maybe you have to fib your way through a few things. But also, we can put together a course of, like, here's how you do a car shoot. Here's how you do a food shoot. Here's how you do here's how you work with stunt people. Here's how do you do pyro.
Lawrence:Here are all the things that you don't know you don't know when you have to do a retail clothing ad, you know, like a dress for less thing where you've gotta show, you know, 82 pieces of clothing. And how does that work? There's no fear in sharing that information because it's all it's about what you do with it. And
Sister Christian:Yeah. I think that that's big that's a big deal. Like, it's about what you do with the information. Like, you're not stealing anything. You're just telling somebody something, whether they listen to you or not, it's like, that's a whole different story.
Sister Christian:Yeah. Or apply the advice that you've given them in a way that is productive
Lawrence:for them. There's no harm in sharing the info. No. And so this Co Pros that we keep talking about was a person who reached out on Co Pros Mhmm. Very vulnerably, asking for a mentor.
Sister Christian:And had signed the post producer. And it was like, okay. I think that some of the feedback that that they had received was that, how can you call yourself a producer? That's an earned title.
Lawrence:Mhmm.
Sister Christian:Yeah. And I was like, woah. Woah. Woah. You don't know who this person is? You know, like I mean, like, I I still at the level that I am, but but with senior producer, executive producer, senior producer, senior producer?
Sister Christian:It's like, what is what exactly like, I mean, I still absolutely get into situations where I'm like, oh, shit. Like, let me run this by somebody. Is this as dumb as what I'm sounding? Or have you ever heard this before, or has a crew member ever said this to you? Right.
Sister Christian:Like, those are still very valid things that I know. I mean, even though, again, you and I combined have done every single type of job that there is out there, something's gonna come up where we're like, oops. Don't know this.
Lawrence:Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All the time. Especially when, you know, more and more with all this technology, and I know you do very technologically advanced shoots with the people that you work with.
Sister Christian:Goddamn right.
Lawrence:I do as well. And sometimes you're telling something that's not really been done before, or the technology is, yeah, or the technology is really new. And, you know, and and and you're expected to know everything about it even though it's never been done before. And it's like, well, this is this is new technologies. This is brand new, but we're gonna figure this out and we're gonna make this happen.
Lawrence:And, you you know, the industry does not let you expose that you may not know everything about something.
Sister Christian:Exactly. And that and they've and it actually encourages you to lie in those situations, which makes me uncomfortable because I can't lie. But I know in the last job that you did, there was a whole week where we didn't even speak because that first week was, meetings that you had.
Lawrence:Oh, yeah.
Sister Christian:How to do something, where to do it, what's the best to do, what do I need to have it done, like, all these things. And I was like, yeah, that happens on jobs, especially because half the time we're teaching everyone around us how to do it too. We've learned it.
Lawrence:We've learned
Sister Christian:it. Later, we're telling people this is what we're doing.
Lawrence:And this is how it's done. Yeah. And that is being a producer. Thank you for coming to our boot camp.
Sister Christian:Right. But I know that you also told me, like, when we when I shared that post with you, I was just so, like, I know I forwarded it to you, and I was like, this hurts my heart right now because
Lawrence:I know.
Sister Christian:Like, why in a public forum would you ever type something like that? And then it and then you were like, you had wanted a mentor, like, early into producing career. And I was like, exactly. Like, there is just, like, if you find somebody who is kind, who, is willing to share their experience with you, that is just a gift.
Lawrence:It
Sister Christian:is. Har like, harbor it.
Lawrence:Absolutely.
Sister Christian:Nurture that relationship.
Lawrence:And we want we hope through this podcast, we aspire people who have the knowledge to open their hearts and be those mentors to the people that coming up behind them. Because if we don't, this this industry is gonna be in trouble. The jobs are so compressed and so much more challenging than they've ever been.
Sister Christian:It elevates what it means to be a producer if everybody's educated and they know what they're doing on jobs. So it's not just a you know, like, we've said it many, many, many times that anyone can call themselves a producer, but that doesn't mean that you're good. You know, if we could just take a moment to elevate people to the status of being good at what they do, then I mean shit. We we've got ourselves an industry.
Lawrence:And not being afraid to ask for help or not being afraid to ask questions. Right? Yes. The whole Yeah. The the the gaslight of it all of this industry is that you're not allowed to ask questions because that shows weakness.
Lawrence:Christian, I just got a calendar for a job, and the timeline is totally crazy. It's so short. Like, how do you stay organized during prep when these timelines are truncated like that?
Sister Christian:There is so much to think about and no room for error. None. And to be honest, sometimes stuff falls through the cracks. I don't know.
Sister Christian:Have you ever bolted awake at 2 AM and screamed humane society?
Lawrence:Oh my god.
Sister Christian:Like, oh, the cater.
Lawrence:Oh my god. The director wants fog, and I didn't put it on the freaking permit. Oh, it's insane. What gets me through these jobs, though, and even just my daily life, is checklists. I'm obsessed with checklists.
Lawrence:That's the only way I can stay organized.
Sister Christian:Even though we've been doing this for years, a solid checklist is super useful.
Lawrence:Yeah. Even seasoned commercial pilots, like airline pilots who have been doing this for 25 years, use checklists for the most basic things. That's how important they are.
Sister Christian:I'd like to think that my job is way more important than a pilot's job, but whatever.
Sister Christian:So we did a thing and made a new preproduction checklist. This one is built for contemporary filmmaking methods, and, you know, it's also geared towards the way we are expected to work these days.
Lawrence:Yeah. Which is crazy fast. So don't let anything slip through the cracks. Get the preproduction checklist. There's a link in our show notes where you can grab it, or you can just find it on our website, producers happy hour dotcom.
Lawrence:Go get
Sister Christian:it. Another thing that is you know, like, I just wanna touch on again the survival mode is what I'm calling it over the last, 2 years of just, like, surviving. And I I find I find even how my social media is presented and my because, you know, you have to be on it, kids, and or my LinkedIn or any of that shit. Like, it it it it it lists out what I've done, not what I can do. And I think that that's part of sir yeah.
Sister Christian:That's part of survival mode is like, yeah. I can fucking do this commercial with, you know, my eyes closed. I can produce anything, of course. I mean, just this list of things right here on a resume or my website proves that I can, but it only show like, but it doesn't show what I'm capable of. I don't know if the the there's a disconnect here.
Sister Christian:And so I wanna start presenting myself and for the jobs that I want or interesting to me, not just trying to get, producing gigs. And I don't think that that's what I've been doing, but I think that that's what my what the old version of having a website resume and a LinkedIn
Lawrence:is. Right.
Sister Christian:I think that there's so much more out there.
Lawrence:What jobs have you done? Who have you worked for? It's not even that. It's like, what production companies have you worked for? What directors have you worked for?
Sister Christian:It's like when you like for freelancers, you know, like anybody who's ever tried to buy a house and is freelance, the banks are looking at your shit going, okay. Great. You did this blockbuster movie 2 years ago. Great. But what do you have coming up?
Sister Christian:Like, how can you prove that you're going to have income versus I think that the future is going to be so much more than just showing your resume.
Lawrence:Yeah. It has to be. You have to be kinda omnipresent, almost. You know? People wanna
Sister Christian:I think so.
Lawrence:See who you are, see what you do, see what your attitude is. It's, yeah, it's really interesting.
Sister Christian:No. No. And I think that also you, you know, you have to be multifaceted these days as a producer. We usually always are, but the you have to be nimble enough to pick, to pick up and put down things because of how short our prep time is and how you can't start, you know, production designer until the very last minute and all that. You actually have to be able to do other people's jobs as well.
Lawrence:Yeah. I mean, I had to learn SketchUp for a little job. You know, to like it's rough to learn, but I was like, I gotta put something together because I don't have the resources to bring on a production manager or an illustrator or anything. I just need to, like, lay some shit out to demonstrate what I'm talking about. And yeah.
Lawrence:And and this I have to remind us, this hearkens back to episode 101. Do you remember what episode 101 of this podcast was about? No. Flexibility.
Sister Christian:I know.
Lawrence:Do you remember that? That was our very first episode, and here we are.
Sister Christian:I can't remember this morning. Well, but
Lawrence:it's like we're just singing this we're singing the same old song in a new in a new melody because that's what it's all about, and we're just learning it in different ways. Right? Mhmm. We're learning in different ways because now it's impacting how we get jobs and what kind of jobs we're getting and what kind of jobs we wanna position ourselves to get. And the biggest thing I hear from all of my friends that are in this industry that are so afraid of the future is my skills are nontransferable.
Lawrence:And I I wanna push back against that because it's like, well, I don't know if that's true or not. Right? We just have to understand how to interpret our skills in a new way and understand what those what those opportunities are. And those opportunities lie in future technology. And, you know, I don't wanna say AI, but
Sister Christian:I mean, you have to make AI your own beast. Yeah. I mean, it it it is it's coming. It's going to happen, and I don't I don't want I'm not gonna embrace it because I I or am I? Stay true.
Sister Christian:I just mean that, like, it's it's it is infinitely helpful when you are, struggling to write something because you're exhausted.
Lawrence:On 16th hour.
Sister Christian:Exactly.
Lawrence:Some saves you from sending a snarky email.
Sister Christian:Yeah. No. I I mean Yeah. I did the oh my god, Lawrence. I did this.
Sister Christian:I I fed one of my emails into, an AI program Mhmm. And, asked it to dial it back 20%. And then after and then I got that new one, and then I said, can you make it 10% more corporate? And it
Lawrence:And it
Sister Christian:did. Yeah. Yeah. Because I could not I did not have the capacity of the brainpower, the the, oh, energy or the even the the the space to do that myself.
Lawrence:Or not on your 16th hour of a 5 day shoot. Right. But it's, like, changing with the climate of everything, the entire landscape. I know we use that word a lot, but it's true because it's not just TV commercials, it's social media. Instagram, TikTok, blah blah blah.
Lawrence:And it's like, are you are you know, are if if you are Gen Z looking into get into this industry, are you do you have a website? Or are you just sending people to your Instagram, to your TikTok? Are you put is that where you're putting your your your your, content that you've made? It goes to, you know, point more to the fact that, like, new points of view, different points of view of the different generations that are in our industry are important, and you are only gonna learn about that through community, through mentorship. Yes.
Lawrence:And I I promise you, you know, to all of our seasoned producers out there, you start mentoring a Gen Z right now, you are gonna learn some shit.
Sister Christian:You're gonna learn some shit. That's my favorite part.
Lawrence:Yes.
Sister Christian:My favorite part about, talking to because I'm just like, oh, that's a great idea. Like like, oh, shit. I wish I would've known that when I was then or any of it or just, like, how how are just to understand how people are communicating because I know when I'm looking for a, photographer I mean, I get sent Instagram handles versus websites these days, hands down. Absolutely. So, yeah, I'm no longer looking at websites for photographers.
Sister Christian:I'm just scrolling through their social media.
Lawrence:So being a mentor or just getting involved and sharing your ideas and your points of view and the way you do stuff with other people in this community, other producers who may take your job, you don't be afraid of that because, you know, you're creating an experience. You know, we say that so many you say that, Christian, actually. You're the party planner. You're the party host when they show up on set. That experience you create is a 180 degrees different than the experience that I create on set.
Lawrence:Yes. And that is that is the the the the sweet spot. That's the that's the sugar you're pouring on top of the whole thing, and that's what makes you you as a producer. The way your crew feels, the way your agency or client feels, or or the way your director feels. It's a it's a very unique thing.
Lawrence:So the nuts and bolts and your point of view of how you do your work, sharing that with somebody who maybe calls themselves a producer, but maybe isn't at your level yet, shouldn't be a fearful
Sister Christian:thing. My ego tells me I'm so good that if I told all these secrets to somebody, they would bop out and start to be able to produce at my level immediately, but that's not true either. No. No. It just isn't.
Sister Christian:So getting insight from 2 it's like like, just from a couple of seasoned producers, I feel. I just wish I woulda had it when I was first coming up for sure.
Lawrence:I needed so desperately to have a a senior producer in my life back then. Let me tell you the mistakes I made.
Sister Christian:A nice one.
Lawrence:A nice one. I had a few
Sister Christian:Oh, boy. Who are see you next Tuesdays.
Lawrence:You have a little bit of an echo. Your reverb y sound sounds like you're in a new place. Are you in a new place?
Sister Christian:Yes. It has been 2 plus years in the making, but I have officially moved to California.
Lawrence:Boop boop. From New
Sister Christian:York and I
Lawrence:I hate it. Boop bam.
Sister Christian:And I have to tell you, everybody thought that I was going to be out here way sooner than I thought, but I have moved to California and I happen to be living in the desert. I have to say, I do miss the shit out of New York For all of you out there, I'm not giving up my home base of New York. I'm just, yeah. It it's been a it's been a slow moving coup, and I'm gonna take over California now.
Lawrence:Yeah. In fact, you just did a job in New York, didn't you?
Sister Christian:Yes. My first time in New York doing work, for about 2 years, I think, was the last job that I had done there. So, yeah, it was, so much fun to see everybody. So I hope to be doing more work there since I'm here now.
Lawrence:That's how it works. Alright. Well, Christian, thank you for the chat today.
Sister Christian:Oh, today was a good one. I'm glad that we're back at it too. It gives me, something to look forward to. I know how that sounds, but it's just I have been sly. I've worked.
Sister Christian:Don't get me wrong.
Lawrence:Yes.
Sister Christian:But it's nothing like the level that we were at
Lawrence:No. 2 years ago.
Sister Christian:No. So I'm ready to get back at it for sure.
Lawrence:Same here. So for everyone listening, producers happy hour.com/bootcamp. If you wanna come hang out with us for a half day after Jordan Brady's commercial director's bootcamp, It'll be a blast, a $100 off if you are participating in that. Otherwise, stick around for more podcast episodes because we're back every other Tuesday.
Sister Christian:We're back y'all. It's gonna be a good time.
Lawrence:So, Christian, how do people get ahold of you if they want you?
Sister Christian:Sisterchristianproduces.com. It's old and dated.
Lawrence:Speaking of
Sister Christian:Please. I haven't updated it in so long. It just looks like shit from 7 years ago, so have at it. So, Lawrence, if they want you, how do they get you?
Lawrence:I mean, mine's no better. Lawrence t lewis.com. I will update it at some point, you know? Alright. See y'all in a couple weeks.
Lawrence:Bye. Bye.
Sister Christian:Thanks for joining Producers Happy Hour.
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Lawrence:This show is brought to you by our editor, brenrussell@podladd.com.
Sister Christian:And Christopher Daniels, who is our branding expert and one fabulous treatment designer.
Lawrence:So until next time, always remember Making is hard.