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In this special episode of DejaVue, Alexander and Michael are joined by Daniel Roe and Sébastien Chopin to discuss the recent acquisition of NuxtLabs by Vercel. Questions like "Was Nuxt just sold", "How much influence has Vercel", and "What is Vercel excepting from the deal" are answered.
If you wonder what impact the deal has on Nuxt, you as a user and developer, as well as the open-source community, you should tune in!
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Daniel Roe
If you wonder what impact the deal has on Nuxt, you as a user and developer, as well as the open-source community, you should tune in!
Enjoy the Episode!
Our Guests
Daniel Roe
Sébastien Chopin
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- Announcement on NuxtLabs.com
- Skew Protection Nitro Issue
- Daniel Roe's Reddit AMA
- The Future of Nuxt GitHub Discussion
- Pooya's Nitro Announcement
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Alexander Lichter
Michael Thiessen
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Michael Thiessen:It's your favorite Vue podcast and also your favorite Nuxt podcast, which is very relevant for today.
Alexander Lichter:Exactly. We are here with not one or two three people from the core team, which includes the head of the Nuxt framework and the CEO of Nuxt Labs. Hey, Daniel. Hey, Sebastien. How are you doing?
Daniel Roe:Hello. It's nice to see you. It's a pleasure to be here.
Sébastien Chopin:Hello. I'm also very happy to be here.
Alexander Lichter:Yeah. We're here for a big announcement. It is the July 8 recording date. Just not even three hours ago, the official announcement drops about the future of Nuxt.
Alexander Lichter:Maybe, Sebastien, you can tell us a bit, probably the people already know, if not, then you haven't seen the whole social media post or nuxtlabs.com.
Alexander Lichter:What happened? What is going on?
Sébastien Chopin:What happened is we had discussion with Guillermo about what we were doing at NuxtLabs, what they were doing at Vercel, and the fact that how they found open source framework and what we've been building at NuxtLabs in helping the development of the Nuxt open source ecosystem, as well as trying to offer premium solutions around Nuxt. And we find an opportunity to join forces through Vercel to accelerate these developments and have the opportunity to put our full focus in open source. And I have to say, I'm quite happy to be back on coding and be able to work full time on open source again. So this was a great opportunity we've been discussing for many months about what this would imply. And I think Daniel would also be more than happy to explain on the Nuxt part.
Sébastien Chopin:Yeah, I'm very excited by this new adventure.
Daniel Roe:I am honestly so excited that Sebastien is going to be coding some more. I do think, Sebastien, your presence has been incredibly valuable even without as much code contribution because I think Sebastien has got an incredible sense for I feel a bit awkward saying this to you here. Normally I said this, you're not here, Sebastien. So it seems strange. But anyway, Sebastien is very good at thinking about what's intuitive and what's a good API.
Daniel Roe:So even when we have, like even when a PR comes from someone else totally different, probably we've talked about it in a team meeting and probably Sebastien has said, actually, I think it was probably be this or that doesn't feel right. This would be better. So it's not like your presence isn't felt a lot now, but it will be amazing to have you coding some stuff. And I'm particularly looking forward to some of the things like Nuxt Hub being agnostic. It's something I've been wanting for so long.
Daniel Roe:Ever since you initially announced that I would mean, Nuxt Hub is incredible. Like, it's great, great interface, a great set of functionality, but I'm really proud of for me to be agnostic of provider because I think probably almost everything we've built at Nuxt is agnostic. It's about choice. It's about people being able to pick what they want to, who they want to use. And so it was always a little bit of a niggle for me that this thing from Sebastien, from the NuxtLabs team was not agnostic.
Sébastien Chopin:Yes. Me too
Daniel Roe:Sebastien will tell you how many times I pestered him.
Alexander Lichter:Please, please.
Sébastien Chopin:52 times, but it's I don't count.
Alexander Lichter:Not anymore.
Daniel Roe:We care about that. Right?
Alexander Lichter:We restart at zero now that Vercel acquired NuxtLabs And maybe that's also a good point to to explain the situation once again. And I think we're not getting tired of repeating that: Vercel didn't acquire Nuxt like the framework or like now all the framework team work at Vercel. It's about Nuxt Labs.
Alexander Lichter:So who does it actually impact?
Sébastien Chopin:I would say at first it impacts the users of the products we have, but in the good sense. What we plan on the Nuxt Hub parts that Daniel already mentioned is to make Nuxt Hub agnostic. So first is to be able to support other providers than Cloudflare. So we're aiming to have something more generic. So you can connect a Postgres database, you can connect a Redis for KV and the others services.
Sébastien Chopin:That would be the first stage for the module. And then we have the hosted version that we plan to sunset at the end of the year. Once we're able to provide what we call it right now a Admin, where you will have the same interface you have in the Nuxt Hub platform right into your project. So you'll be able to manage your full stack resources right into your own website on web app and whatever the deployment platform you choose.
Alexander Lichter:So it will be, as Daniel said, independent for that as well?
Sébastien Chopin:Yes. The second one will be Nuxt Studio. And this is actually a similar story to Nuxt Hub. We've been talking with Batis for a while on this. We want to make this MDC editor open source, this visual editor, Notion like editor.
Sébastien Chopin:So on this part, it will be similar. We want to be able to provide the Nuxt Studio editor right into your website, open source, so anyone will be able to contribute. And on this part, I'm still trying to figure it out how we can have a base for Nuxt Admin generic enough so modules could plug themselves. So even if you make your own website and you want to plug some features to this Nuxt admin, you should be able to provide this. So it will be also a good challenge for the framework team and core team to think about what would be the best way.
Sébastien Chopin:We've been talking about multi hubs for a long time. I And think this is quite a challenging approach.
Alexander Lichter:True.
Sébastien Chopin:But we're not going to discuss about the solution right now. It's going to take a while.
Alexander Lichter:Yeah, it would be nice if we just like one shot it right here in podcast. But of course, that's unlikely.
Sébastien Chopin:And on the last part would be a Nuxt UI Pro, which we also plan to open source. And I'm very excited because this will mean that Docus will also be free for anyone as it was based on Nuxt UI Pro. And for this is going to take some time, we plan to release Nuxt UI v4 in September, including the UI Pro components, if not more. And we have to see if it will be through different packages like Nuxt UI dashboard, Nuxt UI marketing. But this is actually great news for everyone that we'll be able to ship websites faster with the UI components.
Sébastien Chopin:Quite exciting about this.
Alexander Lichter:Another great UI library for free with its whole capabilities for the ecosystem. Pretty cool.
Michael Thiessen:So basically, all of the stuff that's currently paid is now going to be shifted over to open source gradually, eventually.
Sébastien Chopin:Yes. And self I don't know if we can say self hostable or self hosted, but, yes, that's the goal.
Alexander Lichter:Sweet. So that's from the, let's say, product perspective, what Nuxt Lab offered before, as said from Nuxt Studio, Nuxt Hub, Nuxt UI Pro. How does it look like from a people perspective? Because the announcement says, okay, of course, like Daniel, you, Pooya, Anthony will join Vercel, but I guess more people at Nuxt Labs as well.
Sébastien Chopin:Yes. So the whole people working at Nuxt Labs and through retainers contracts we had were offered to join Vercel. So this means that all the people working at Nuxt Labs are joining Vercel as well. So including the people working on Studio, UI Pro, the website, Nuxt Hub, and the open source team being offered job to join Vercel and keep doing what we were doing since the beginning. And I'll let Daniel maybe add a note on this.
Daniel Roe:Yeah. So I mean, are a lot of people who do a lot of these things. And I think you might see some of the signs of them, for example, on the nuxt.com website where, I mean, you just like look at the design of it. A lot of the I think probably almost all of the coding for the website in the last two redesigns has been from Nuxt Labs and the team there. So there are lot of people behind the scenes who are more than just the four people I happened to mention in the blog post.
Daniel Roe:Yeah.
Alexander Lichter:I think that's important detail as well because, of course, the focus is on the people you know. I mean, Pooya with Nitro. Well, Sebastien, Daniel, no comments. You all know. I mean, CEO of Nuxt Labs, the creator of Nuxt, the head of the Nuxt team.
Alexander Lichter:Anthony being around open source project in the planet sometimes feels like. But it's nice to hear that this also goes beyond that in a way.
Alexander Lichter:From a legal perspective, like I mean, you mentioned it multiple times. Nuxt will stay MIT and independent, etcetera. Is Vercel now, as they acquired NuxtLabs, did they also acquire the intellectual property in that sense of all the legal rights, the brands, etcetera?
Sébastien Chopin:Yes. Well, there are two things. First, you can't really get the IP of an open source project
Daniel Roe:It's MIT. Yeah. Under the MIT license.
Alexander Lichter:You can fork it, name it Muxt, then we're good.
Sébastien Chopin:Yes. But NuxtLabs has the trademark that we've registered as well as the domain name. If we mention IP, those are the part that NuxtLabs had also to protect themselves when working on Next.
Daniel Roe:I think it might be a good way to think about it. Vercel are hosting them. So, like, they need to be owned by somebody. Previously, were owned by NuxtLabs, who were again hosting them on behalf of the project. Another hosted by Vercel.
Daniel Roe:But Vercel really have no interest in every communication I've had with them. They have no interest in owning or controlling Nuxt. The whole thing is that they want us to be independent. They want us to be free to do what we're doing. And to be perfectly blunt, I wouldn't be doing this or part of this if that weren't the case.
Daniel Roe:But yes, I mean, it's been really, really remarkable actually to chat with people in leadership of Vercel and just talk about the vision that they have and the reason they want to bring Nuxt on board. And a lot of it is because they want it to be independent. They want us to keep pursuing the vision that we've put out there, which I've got to say is really nice. It's one, it's a real vindication of that vision that Sebastien, that I, Puya, all of us on the core team, right? I'm saying this, Alex, and you're like, we've had this conversation so many times that this is something we really believe in.
Daniel Roe:And it's really nice to see a company as big as Vercel basically saying, we bet on that, we want that. So yeah, you can't acquire an open source project, not one like Nuxt, because we're a community project. So there's no way you can take a project and take it away from its community or take it in a different direction. We would just fail. So no one wants that.
Daniel Roe:The whole value in Nuxt is for it to be independent.
Michael Thiessen:I think that's the biggest question that people have is it's a bit of a contradiction almost, it seems at the surface to say Vercel wants Nuxt to be independent. Therefore, they're acquiring and hiring all of this Nuxt stuff. Like obviously this is amazing news because all of you deserve to be paid well and you know, don't, not to worry about sponsorships and all of this other stuff and have that backing. And so from that perspective, makes sense. And I also I absolutely love that they're not just betting on React, but also the diversity of the ecosystem because I think that is important regardless of whether it's Vue or Svelte or whatever.
Michael Thiessen:But how does Vercel and you and the other people working on Nuxt plan to keep things independent? Because it is, there's definitely conflict of interest maybe or something like that. That is a big question. Think maybe a bit of a worry for some people. It's a very open ended question.
Daniel Roe:There's a lot to say there. I don't know, especially if you wanna pitch anything in, I definitely have some things to say.
Sébastien Chopin:Yeah, I can start and I think you can follow-up. I think it's important that, and I've been discussing with this on Guillermo, good person is a cloud platform, and they really want to detach themselves from being only for next years where they were very known.
Sébastien Chopin:And I think their investments on other open source projects such as Svelte, I think it's it's very important to see what they how they collaborated. Same for Turborepo or the AI SDK. They really want to they have a strong open source philosophy, whatever we like or not, how they develop Next.
Sébastien Chopin:They do want to be the best cloud platform for whatever framework. And having Nuxt also show that they really want to be an agnostic platform, supporting all the best front end frameworks. And we've been also discussing that for us, it's very important and crucial to work with others that providers to provide the best agnostic framework as well. In my opinion, the the goal is to have the best minds working on the frameworks to also imagine how to be the best cloud platform. And I think it makes sense, in my opinion.
Sébastien Chopin:I'm very confident about the fact that the roadmap stays public. We've been always working based on the issues. I've been also discussing with the Next.js team, and this is how also how they work based on the feedback for the community. And, yeah, I think it's about working with trust.
Sébastien Chopin:I think the future will show, but I'm very confident and I'm more than happy to do the same podcast in a year about how things turn out.
Alexander Lichter:One year at Vercel.
Sébastien Chopin:Yeah.
Alexander Lichter:The Nuxtiversary, so to say. Yeah. Let's let's do it. Let's meet in a year again. But for now, let's stay for a bit here.
Alexander Lichter:Daniel, do have to add anything to that?
Daniel Roe:I think it says a lot of things that Vercel want to invest in next. And particularly that they're doing that.
Alexander Lichter:One sec there because the phrasing I've seen it also a couple of times. You said invest in Nuxt, but acquiring Nuxt Labs, just like as Nuxt Labs and Nuxt are not the same. Can you maybe like dig a bit deeper in that once again, because I feel people sometimes misunderstand exactly that part.
Daniel Roe:Yes, exactly. So people have asked, are the Nuxt orgs going to move to the Vercel org on GitHub, for example? Nuxt as a project is independent. We have governance, which exists and isn't changing. It's obviously open source license, MIT.
Daniel Roe:It's a community project. It's not changing. Nuxt is what it is. I would be on core team. I would like to think whether no matter who I was working for, Nuxt isn't that.
Daniel Roe:But Vercel are obviously hiring people on the team. They're hiring us in order to work on Nuxt in the same way as, for example, Rich Harris is hired or Simon is hired to work on Svelte and SvelteKit. It is an incredible privilege to be in that position. The agenda, the role, the job description is continue building Nuxt. Build this independent framework.
Daniel Roe:I think of that as an investment. I guess you could talk about it in terms of a lot of other things. You could talk about it in terms of support. There's probably no stronger way for Vercel to say that they are about the open web. They want for people to be able to benefit from this kind of thing.
Daniel Roe:And for what it's worth, and this is something I've believed for a long time ever since probably I was a teenager struggling with Microsoft Word and the whole approach, which thankfully has totally changed from Microsoft of trying to lock people into an ecosystem. There is nothing that so annoys me, that so causes my like every sense of justice in my body to rise up than someone trying to lock you in to a product product. I think choice is one of the most fundamental values of the web that there is possible to have. The ability to choose where you host your stuff, where you get your content on the web. And I see that the best providers, the best products are ones where they don't lock people in.
Daniel Roe:People choose them because they're good, because they give a good user experience or they fill their user needs, right? If you try and lock people in, all you produce is bitterness, anger. You don't produce loyalty. You produce loyalty when you give people choice. So I don't think at all, there is any kind of inconsistency between a provider like Vercel saying they want the back choice.
Daniel Roe:I actually think is probably one of the strongest statements that they could make that they're dedicated to making the infrastructure world class, that they want to give people choice and that they're backing projects like Nuxt that are all about choice. So I think, sorry, I'm giving a speech. I feel this should run for breath. Like, honestly, I feel very strongly about this. And I think it's an incredible thing for Vercel to do.
Daniel Roe:And it's very much a putting your money where your mouth is kind of situation.
Alexander Lichter:Agreed. I think maybe for also the people not that deep into ecosystem, it's like, okay, Vercel acquiring Nuxt Labs is an investment into Nuxt as just discussed.
Alexander Lichter:What is maybe for the two of you from a general perspective or from any perspective you can think the biggest benefit or relief or anything that this acquisition brings for you? It can be on a personal level, it can be on, of course, the company level, on the framework level, whatever comes to your mind, whatever you think, like, hey, this this is the biggest benefit out of this.
Sébastien Chopin:For me, like I mentioned at the beginning, is to be able to go back on Open Source. This is where I started when working on Nuxt. When I founded NuxtLabs with my brother Alex, it was to find a way to be sustainable. But it took me a while before starting to build products because my priority was to make open source and be the best framework, be the best team to work on this open source. And being able to have this opportunity and not stress about being sustainable, finding ways to bring money, to pay everyone, and just work on open source, innovate, being able to work daily with Daniel, Pooya, Anthony and the whole team.
Sébastien Chopin:Yeah, that's the biggest relief. And also being able to work closely with the Vercel teams because honestly, are the Next. Js team, AI team, SvelteKit, I mean, all these amazing people. And also like their marketing, so understanding how they work on this. Yeah, the learning experience and be back on open source for me is definitely what made me so excited about this opportunity.
Daniel Roe:I think it's, I mean, did do all of that. I think one of the other things that Sebastien mentioned in his post, if you haven't seen it on nuxtlabs.com, was that it will actually mean that we are going to be able to go further with things like the support from the community. So sponsorships can now go to other people because we now have the privilege of being full time employed by Vercel. So that's great. I'm really, really pleased that we'll be able to send that the way of other folk.
Daniel Roe:Yeah. I think that's one of the things apart from the role. Because in a sense, unlike Sebastien, I have been doing this full time already. You know, I have been, Sebastien in a way we have had to pry the keyboard out of his hands because he's been doing stuff like making a sustainable business out of Nuxt Hub and Ui Pro and doing a great job at that, such that now we have an acquisition. That's not been it for me.
Daniel Roe:I have actually had the privilege of full time open source. So I'm looking forward to that continuing. I do feel like being able to spend time chatting with folk like Rich Harris, some of the other open source teams at Vercel, I'm hoping it's going to push us and make us have to, well, not have to, but it's going to hopefully come up with some new ideas, hopefully be pushed to keep on getting better. But I think by and large, things are gonna be staying the same for me in a good way.
Alexander Lichter:Glad to hear that. And I mean, also from the perspective of Sebastien, I remember when we met back then and you said like, okay, back in time consulting and actually you wanted to build open source and then you had Nuxt Labs to create a sustainable business to do open source. And here you are again back at open source. The saga comes to an end, one could say.
Sébastien Chopin:Indeed, finally.
Alexander Lichter:Now, another question that of course pops joking up here and there that's of course also Puja is joining Vercel Nitro. We've seen a couple days which made one or other person suspicious already Vercel posting that Nitro apps are now supported in Vercel. Do you think we see Next.js on Nitro base in the coming years?
Sébastien Chopin:Why not? I think they really liked Nitro when I discussed with them, I think it was maybe under the radar and they really like the vision on top of this what's coming next for Nitro will be game changer. So I won't be surprised if they try Nitro in Next but it's way too early to say anything on this but it's glad to see people seeing also the full vision of Nitro and saying, yes, I also want you to bet on this. So very excited to see what we can build and collaborate on Nitro.
Daniel Roe:I mean, I'm totally, that would be amazing. That would be so cool. But bear in mind, I don't think we can probably affect Next.js roadmap. Like we can't do that anymore than they're going to be changing the Nuxt one.
Daniel Roe:But that would be very cool if there were greater adoption for Nitro for the Next.js app. But I think it's something also that probably we will see greater adoption of Nitro more broadly because the fact that Vercel are investing or backing Nuxt, UnJS and Nitro, I think it's a really good signal that these are projects not just for the Vue ecosystem. These are projects hopefully that will benefit projects right the way across Svelte, React, Solid, obviously, and more. So I'm hoping we'll see Nitro adoption grow.
Alexander Lichter:Yeah, I mean, it's good to point out once again that none of the different teams could influence each other's roadmaps, but more like bringing it up or discussing, hey. If you are up to that, we're here to discuss. I mean, Pooya's literally sitting there. And if people are interested, they can reach out. And it also means, as I before, like, I don't know, looking at Rich, Simon, the Svelte people, and other folks as well.
Alexander Lichter:So ideally, cross collaboration, also getting, as I said before, benefits from their knowledge, their pain points, how to solve that will ideally bring a big innovation push throughout the whole ecosystem. From the perspective of most people, we've seen, like, I don't know, tons of comments in in the last three, four hours where, like, okay. Big congrats. People are really happy from, like, open sourcing the project over to being happy that things are stable, sustainable. People don't have to worry about anymore.
Alexander Lichter:Easier time for especially, I guess, special for you as the company founder and CEO, that we see a lot of big positive vibes.
Alexander Lichter:But there are also people saying, Oh, I said before, Vercel acquiring so many frameworks. What's the big, big master plan? But as you said, you wouldn't have done it if there would not like any strings attached to that. So are there any commitments, so to say, you have to give Vercel?
Alexander Lichter:Like, I don't know. The nuxt.com website has to be hosted in Vercel now. Like even even these tiny, tiny small things.
Sébastien Chopin:This is not required at all, honestly. First of all, I'm a big fan of of Vercel for a long time. I I looked at the when I signed up and it was in June 2016 when it was back
Alexander Lichter:Almost 10 years ago.
Sébastien Chopin:And I love also what Cloudflare is doing, I think it's important to deploy on what feels best for website. And we will keep working on making sure that our platform are equally supported. They just want us to keep working on what we do best and mostly compete, but who will have the best developer experience because it's about pushing us for one. I mean, on the best developer experience, on the best user experience. I think we have enough work on this part.
Sébastien Chopin:And, yeah, I'm also looking forward to support some missing pieces on the Versus side. I think it was the Skew protection. I'm also looking forward to support this, but this is not even something they they ask, but it's about us supporting properly hosting platform.
Alexander Lichter:That includes Vercel as well. Yeah.
Daniel Roe:Yeah. The annoying thing is probably that people are going probably to read into stuff that's already on our roadmap just because we do it.
Alexander Lichter:You point them to the commits two years ago. Here we wrote the roadmap.
Daniel Roe:Think I have an open issue on Nitro for Skew protection. It's probably embarrassingly old. It's probably, like, over a year.
Alexander Lichter:I'll just say, it's a year for sure. Yeah. It's issue 2,311 in the show notes. There's the link in March 2024.
Daniel Roe:So, I mean, I think people can read a lot into a lot of different things because what matters is often narrative. So how you understand what's happening affects how you interpret the facts. And so I hope that people trust us, the team, and understand that what we're doing is pursuing the same vision independently. And I think this is a really, really exciting day for Nuxt and for Nuxt users. Obviously the great thing for the core team is that we get to keep on building Nuxt.
Daniel Roe:But the only benefit of that is because of the community and because of the people who use Nuxt. I I have no interest in the title, for example. I'm sure you don't have any interest in the the kudos of being on the team. Like, Nuxt is and and helping people and seeing what people build with it, it is all about the community. So, yeah, I hope people see that and see that what we're about is not changing.
Alexander Lichter:I hope so too. And I mean, I think that podcast episode should help a lot of that as well, just having the explanations and the reason behind that that probably doesn't fit in a tweet or skeet in, I don't know, 240 characters or how for an idea or how many how many there are. I mean, it doesn't matter too much. So it's good to get some insights there.
Alexander Lichter:How do you feel, Daniel, about the scenario that now basically half of the the Nuxt core teams work in Vercel while still in a way in multi company project and other people on the Nuxt team are like freelance, have day jobs, or in my case work at at Void Zero?
Alexander Lichter:What do you think about that compared to before? Do you still have the same thoughts on that?
Daniel Roe:So I think having a multi stakeholder core team is a really good thing. So I'm glad you're at Void Zero, for example. And I hope we can continue to increase that. I think it's one of the benefits of diversity of any kind. So when you have some kind of diversity, you help reduce the risk of homogenization, of everyone having the same point of view or perspective, even when it comes to things that might unconsciously affect you.
Daniel Roe:So I would like to think that my vision isn't going to be affected by the fact that I'm employed by Vassal, that I still am going to be pursuing the same things. And I hope that's true. But at the same time, it's going to mean that I have that blind spot and I need people on the team who are just making sure that we're keeping on. Like, you totally have my permission, I hope you know this, to wield a great big wet fish and slap it in my face if we are not continuing to pursue what we want to pursue. And not out of any nefarious, but just out of a loss of focus.
Daniel Roe:And that's true of any kind of diversity on a team. You want people who represent different points of view and perspectives because you make much better software that way. You make much more intuitive stuff. You get a better developer experience when you have more perspectives represented. So, yeah, multi stakeholder is better for sure.
Daniel Roe:So if Vercel asks you to come on the team, Alex, you have to say no, basically.
Alexander Lichter:I I think I'm in a in a pretty pretty sweet spot there. I'm I'm not unhappy about it at all. So I think that's that's a rather, rather low chance. And if the scenario comes that the that the focus shifts and you start wearing black sweaters and magic triangles swirl around you, I'll come with the big redfish. And Well Straight away.
Daniel Roe:I actually I happen to have this For a while. Extremely. This is actually, I promise, this has been my water bottle for a long time and has not affected the fact that I'm now hired by myself. Lee Robinson sent me this ages ago. Think Ben Seymour very kindly and Lee together ended up getting me sent this very beaten up water bottle.
Daniel Roe:And I love it so much. So that is grandfather then. I'm allowed to keep on.
Alexander Lichter:Absolutely. That's okay. Don't count, for everybody not seeing the video, Daniel's Vercel water bottle that he has really for years, which is also evident in all his livestreams as well. That's right. But slowly but surely, I'm
Alexander Lichter:I will I'll have a look.
Alexander Lichter:I'll have some, like, pictures over the months where, like, the the clothing store gets darker and darker. The black sweater is going no.
Alexander Lichter:But in in all seriousness, I really think today is a day that will be really good for the Nuxt community as a whole. And I'm really excited about what sparks out of that, not only from the learning perspective, from being able to pursue open source, especially for Sebastien being back on coding even more. And as you mentioned, for the bigger community perspective for Nuxt and I would suppose Vue as well to be able to redirect sponsorships even more to fund projects because still, for example, the Vue team is underfunded.
Alexander Lichter:And also, of course, parts of the Nuxt team, they have a day job. They don't work full time. They're freelancers, etcetera. So there and then we have a lot people in the ecosystem team as well. The the list is ongoing.
Alexander Lichter:A lot of good people doing a lot of a lot of good work.
Daniel Roe:Yes.
Alexander Lichter:Yes. Very good. And with that, I think there's almost all set here.
Alexander Lichter:Daniel, if you have a lot of last message to the people out there, anything that we didn't touch on, then that's your chance now.
Daniel Roe:Well, guess mostly I hope it comes across that I'm really excited. I'm really glad that this is happening. And I think the future for Nuxt is bright. I guess if anyone has any questions or there's something I haven't answered, please feel free to DM me or ask. I'm more than happy to answer anything.
Daniel Roe:Yeah, I think look forward to the days coming and looking forward to seeing what we managed to build together.
Alexander Lichter:Perfect. I think these are amazing last words, and I guess the same applies also to Sebastien. If there's any questions, shoot the DMs out to people. Yeah. And, of course, Daniel can be followed on social media.
Alexander Lichter:So not actually all social networks except Twitter slash x. So the details in the show notes, same for Sebastien. He's also on on Twitter, though. And other than that, stay tuned for the next DejaVue episode. Thank you everybody for for joining.
Alexander Lichter:It was a pleasure, and see you all soon.