Your Art Is A Spell

Your Art Is A Spell
Season 1 Episode 18

In this magical episode of Your Art Is A Spell, Edgar Fabián Frías sits down with the incredible Opal Starlight (they/them), a queer hairstylist, witch, and healer based in the Bay Area. Opal shares how they transformed their journey from working in celebrity salons to creating Magic Spell Studio, a deeply intentional space where hair becomes a ritual, a portal, and a tool for queer and gender-affirming liberation. We explore psychic haircuts, reclaiming gray hair as sacred, and how self-adornment can be an act of resistance and spiritual awakening. ✂️✨

Opal is a transformational hairstylist, a multidimensional nonbinary artist and a witchy magic maker. Working in the realms of mysticism, visual art and adornment, Opal is fascinated by our earthly divinity and the way our souls enchant of our human forms. A firm believer in the unique magic that we all carry, their work orbits around the exploration of our ever evolving identity, seeing the art of hair and the way we decorate ourselves as powerful spell casting. 

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Timestamps
00:00 – Welcome to Your Art Is A Spell
00:27 – Introducing Opal Starlight & Magic Spell Studio
01:05 – Hair, Adornment & Clothing as Art
02:13 – Opal Introduces Themselves
03:06 – From Celebrity Stylist to Hair Witch
05:00 – Discovering Hair as a Magical Practice
07:20 – The Birth of Opal’s Magic Garden Salon
08:58 – Healing Through Haircuts & Sacred Space
10:11 – Systems That Diminish Art & Identity
11:19 – Liberation Through Pause & Psychedelic Healing
13:08 – Coming Out as Non-Binary & Releasing Gender Rules
14:37 – The Hermit Archetype & Shining a Light for Others
15:24 – Gemini Magic & Gender-Affirming Haircuts
17:15 – De-Gendering Hair Styling Practices
18:46 – Living Authentically as a Non-Binary Artist
20:28 – Adornment Without Gender: Decorating the Soul
21:48 – Hair as Expansive, Expressive Art
22:34 – Escapist Aesthetics & the Power of Color
23:59 – Creating Magic Spell Studio as a Portal
25:36 – Sultry Earth Spirit as Spatial Inspiration
27:04 – Nature as a Maximalist Inspiration
27:48 – Psychic Haircuts & Channeling While Styling
29:54 – Deep Client Relationships & Emotional Healing
30:51 – Dismantling Western Beauty Standards
31:24 – Reclaiming Gray Hair as Sacred & Wild
33:42 – Hair Dye as Ritual vs. Liberation
35:29 – Aging as Beauty & Gray Hair as Spellwork
36:56 – Activism Through Adornment & Self-Expression
37:42 – How to Connect with Opal
38:54 – Finding Opal Online & IRL
40:10 – Final Message from Opal (Channeled Incantation)
41:26 – Outro & Reflection by Edgar
42:04 – Key Takeaways from Opal’s Visionary Practice
43:30 – Connect with Opal + Share the Episode
44:05 – Cast Your Spell into the Algorithm ✨


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What is Your Art Is A Spell?

Welcome to Your Art Is A Spell, the podcast that ignites inspiring and transformative conversations about art as a magical practice. I'm your host, Edgar Fabián Frías—a multi-passionate artist, witch, therapist, and proud mutant shape-shifter. My art spells have reached audiences through social media, billboards, and skyscrapers and have even been placed on the surface of the moon! Join us as we explore how reclaiming your unique artistic voice and embracing bold creativity can transform your life and the world around you. Subscribe to the podcast and sign up for our newsletter at www.yourartisaspell.com to stay connected!

Welcome. Your art is a spell and it will 
change your life and the world around you.

Welcome or welcome back to Your Art as a Spell. 
I'm so excited to share today's guest with you.  

Opal Starlight is an incredible hair stylist, 
hair magic, created in the Bay Area. They are  

also a healer. They're a witch. They work with 
clothing and jewelry. And they've just created  

and opened up a space called the Magic Spell 
Studio that's in the Bay Area that you can  

visit and get your own transformational hair 
cuts and stylings there. And I wanted to bring  

them on today's episode because they have such a 
unique vision when it comes to hair, to adornment,  

to the ritual of transforming yourself. And I 
wanted to really highlight hair and clothing  

and jewelry as art practices. As this season we've 
been talking a lot about art that's in museums and  

galleries and digital art, I really want to expand 
beyond the more traditional and start to bring in  

other types of creative practices into your art 
is a spell because art is so expansive and touches  

so many people and I'm really excited for today's 
conversation with Opal Starlight for you to get to  

know them and to learn more about the many magical 
ways that they show up in in this world. So,  

without further ado, here's my conversation with 
Opal. I am so, so happy to have Opal Starlight  

as today's guest for your art is a spell. What 
a gift for you to be on today's episode and to  

share all the incredible ways that you show 
up in the world as an artist, as a healer,  

as a witch. I love how expansive you are in terms 
of the spaces you create, the communities you  

connect with, and how you're working with creative 
practice as a liberatory transformational tool for  

identity and for shifting a lot of things that 
need shifting in our world right now. And I would  

love to invite you to share a little bit about 
yourself, maybe how you got to the place you are,  

a little bit about your journey. And if you want 
to just start off though by introducing who you  

are and how you're showing up today, Opal. 
Yes, thank you so much for being here. First,  

just want to say like just the name, your art is a 
spell is basically my life's philosophy. So, this  

is such a special moment for me to be here talking 
to you. Um, and two Geminis during Gemini season  

just like a really magical conversation. Yes, my 
name is Opal. I have been a hair stylist since I  

was 15. Um, I have had many iterations of that 
job. I have gone from working in Beverly Hills  

on celebrities to working underground as like a 
punk stylist in San Francisco for a decade. Um,  

and now I work in my own private studio. It's 
called Magic Spell because I believe that hair  

cuts and adornments are magic spells.
Um, 

yeah. And I I just opened a couple of months ago 
here. And it sort of has become the place for  

all the realms of which I exist in to coexist 
together. And it all centers around decorating  

yourself and uh the way that I see sort of 
our bodies as our as altars that we have the  

opportunity to decorate and set intention with. 
Oh wow. Yes. Thank you so much for sharing this.  

And it's so exciting that you have a studio, a 
space that people can come and visit in person.  

And I'm curious, would you mind sharing a little 
bit about what guided you to working with hair  

and seeing hair as an artistic practice as well as 
a practice of, you know, identity and, you know,  

transformation? Like I'm curious how you got 
started on this path. Yeah, thank you. Um, I  

think the first time I colored my hair, uh, I felt 
liberated in a way that I really needed. I grew up  

as a queer kid in a really, really conservative 
Catholic family. I went to Catholic school. I had  

to wear uniforms. There was a certain way that you 
were supposed to look being born in a female body,  

but being non-binary. So, I felt like I was really 
in this cage of self-expression that was set out  

for me. And the first time I dyed my hair, I 
think it was like a It was like a juicy purple  

cherry cola color, just like a box dye. I was 14. 
I didn't get permission and I just did it. And um 

and I felt this thing, you know? I don't know. 
It's just all hairdressers kind of know it.  

It's like you have this moment where you're 
like, "Oh, this is magic." Like this. Yeah, 

our hair holds so much magic and so much energy 
and when you change it, it resets you in a very  

interesting and transformative way. So, I 
felt that. And then I had this little cottage  

industry of, you know, cute little gay boys that 
would come over to my garage and get their hair  

bleached. And I did that all through high school. 
Um, and and then didn't want to go to school.  

didn't want to go to university because I had 
had such a terrible experience in high school.  

I didn't expect it would be any different. Um, and 
I didn't quite know what to do with my life. So,  

I was like, well, I'm already doing hair. Let me 
just like actually do hair. So, I went to just a  

little community college beauty school and I was 
quite good at it. I feel okay admitting that. Like  

I feel like it it came very natural to me. like 
I was the best in my class and then I was hired  

to a really high-end reputable Beverly Hills 
celebrity salon which felt very successful and  

amazing to me like oh my gosh I'm winning right 
away but what happened for sort of the next 5 to  

10 years is that I slowly realized that in many 
ways the work I was doing was at the service of  

patriarchy at the service of western standards 
of beauty. Huge percentage of my work was like  

covering gray hair or making people blonde so they 
could look like that perfect California girl. And  

it felt like the magic that I had discovered that 
brought me to this thing was being like blocked  

and caged again by these systems. Um, and I didn't 
know until later, but it sort of made me lose my  

love of the work for a while. And then over the 
last sort of seven years during the pandemic,  

I opened a little hair salon in my garden 
because out of necessity, I wanted to be  

home with my son. I wanted to feel safe. I wanted 
to make people feel safe. So, I slowly, you know,  

put a chair out there and then I put a shampoo 
bowl out there and I told my close clients like,  

"Yeah, come over. I'll cut your hair." I would put 
color on them and send them home to wash it out.  

And eventually I remember I had a client and she 
came did her hair in the garden and she emailed me  

after she left and she said that on the way home 
her husband had like noticed she was different  

and and he said something to the effect of like 
you seem cured. Um she had been really really  

sad for a long time as many people almost all of 
us had been during those years of 2020 21 22 and  

continuing on. Um and the last line of it is she 
said and I told him I think Opal and their garden  

is magic. And so I called it Opal's magic garden 
salon and I was like this is what I'm doing. 

Um this is how I'm going to meet this moment. And 
this is that is when the sort of healer energy in  

me started to awaken and being by myself with 
my clients one- on-one with my little cats,  

their little witchy tails coming through, the work 
became very mystical. It became very healing. It  

became very special. I started to just make it my 
own, to return to that feeling that I had when I  

was 14 and I I first colored my own hair and fell 
in love with the work. And it was such an honor,  

too, to just be a place where people could 
come feel safe and have a cute moment in  

this magical little garden and walk away with 
beautiful hair. And I really people would walk  

away and I'd be like, "This is a magic spell." 
like this work that we do is is so magical. Uh 

yeah. Yeah. And that's what led me to oh finally 
opening up this place. I couldn't be in the garden  

forever, but I realized like I'll never go back to 
the hair industry in the way that I had before. I  

need to be an outsider. I need to be a witch 
and I need to make magic um every day. Wow.  

Yeah. I'm just so struck by your journey. how you, 
as you said, started off by getting that feeling,  

right? Like having that feeling happen when you 
dyed your hair. Having this moment where you  

realized that you could take control or reclaim 
something that you felt had either been taken away  

or that you were like boxed away from and then 
moving into the hair industry and realizing that  

there are some elements of it that really didn't 
resonate with you. And I am hearing you share that  

you're non-binary and I'm thinking about the way 
that you're talking about identity, sense of self,  

and also magic, witchcraft, transformation. And 
I'm just really struck by how a lot of artists  

start their journey with something that's like 
intuitive or that really feels resonant and then  

we like come across these systems, right, of let's 
say it's either patriarchy or white supremacy or  

capitalism that start to tell us that our art 
should look a certain way or should adhere to  

certain standards and that could really take away 
our passion or the original reason why we started  

to do what we do. And so I'm just like really 
struck that you were able to find a way back to  

this passion, to this sacred practice that you're 
naming. And I'm just wondering what were some like  

elements that supported you in that journey or is 
there anything you want to share around the way  

that you've reclaimed some of these practices 
within your own work? Yeah, I have this one  

of my favorite sayings that has applied to many 
things in my life is like sometimes you get like  

a beautiful gift when it's wrapped in a really 
ugly package. And the the pandemic in many ways  

was that for me I was exhausted and overworked 
and I'm a single parent and every day was full.  

So there was no room for the parts of me that 
connect spiritually to the earth. There was no  

room for me to step back and look at everything 
that I was doing and go like, wait, what's what's  

wrong here? Because something is wrong. I just was 
moving forward, moving forward, moving forward.  

And so when we went into those lockdowns, it was 
the first time ever that I had that much space and  

quiet and time to reflect. And at the same time, I 
was doing a lot of healing work with psychedelics.  

So I was connecting more to my spiritual 
self, my higher self. I was feeling really  

um like I was being liberated. Uh which is 
so wild to have that happen, right? All at  

the same time that like we're locked in 
and and isolated. But uh for me, I really  

needed that. And then working in the garden, 
I have this beautiful avocado tree that's like 

three stories high that sort of cradled the space 
where I worked. and there were flowers and bugs  

and I had to work with the elements because I 
couldn't obviously work when it rained or if  

it was going to be really hot. So, I I think all 
of those things together helped me journey back  

to myself and to who I am and who I'm supposed to 
be on this planet. I also came out as non-binary  

during that time which gave me an opportunity to 
witness my own journey with selfexpression and  

the way that my hair ties into my own identity. 
I shaved my head as a sort of like release and  

I buried my hair in the dirt and I watched it 
turn to soil. And I think many people thought  

that I shaved my head because I was non-binary 
now. So now I'm more man or more masculine. But  

really what I did was I just let go of any ideas, 
any rules, any systems that were living within me  

that said you are this, you have to look this way. 
And through that exploration, I really felt the  

healing magic of self-expression and of decorating 
yourself and of hair and all all the ways that our  

souls try to make themselves seen on this planet. 
Wow. H I'm just like so touched by what you just  

shared and I'm just like really feeling called to 
bring in like the archetype of the hermit because  

we're in a hermit year and you know I'm just 
really seeing the hermit in your journey being a  

person who does not conform to gender norms has a 
different way of seeing the world who as you said  

grew up in a conservative household but had your 
own path that you needed to go on And as you found  

your way back to your truth, you know, both in 
terms of your identity and also of your, you know,  

passion for art and hair, I really see that you 
are now shining a light that is bringing so many  

people towards you. And to me, that is so hermit 
energy that you've really forged a path and are  

now able to share it and bring it to others. And 
you know, one thing I really want to highlight,  

and I'd love to share some images here if you're 
watching this on YouTube, so people can see some  

of your beautiful art as well as your clothing and 
jewelry. I, as a Gemini, I am loving the Gemininess  

of your practice, like how you really expand and 
um really work with adornment in so many different  

ways and in ways that are gender affirming. 
And I'm curious, is that something that you do  

also with hair? Are you also working with folks 
who are wanting gender affirming haircuts too? 

Yeah, thank you for asking that. That is one 
of my favorite things I do. Uh because I think  

it is such a sacred exploration that um only the 
most magical of humans go on. And so one it just  

brings in people that I [ __ ] love that I enjoy 
connecting with. I enjoy watching their journeys.  

I enjoy being a place where they can come and 
sort of in this private space feel comfortable  

asking for what they actually want and knowing 
that I'm not going to look at them and say like,  

you know, you're a girl, this is the short hair 
you get. And I get people at all sort of stages  

of that exploration. So sometimes maybe it's 
just someone who identifies as cisgender but  

never really loved their hair because they're 
always getting these girl haircuts. And the hair  

industry has been very gendered for a really long 
time. I remember like before I started thinking  

in this way when someone maybe say a man with 
long hair would come to get his hair done and  

he would want a haircut. I remember my head being 
like okay what's man long hair look like? Like  

what's the difference? like how should I do this 
haircut to be manly and I could never find it. I  

was like there's no I don't know what I'm supposed 
to do here like make it like more angular. I don't  

know. So I think a lot of the hair industry is 
still very gendered and then obviously we all  

have internalized bias and hairdressers have that 
too. So, I've worked really hard to undo any kind  

of internalized bias that I have. When I speak 
with someone, I'm just speaking with the human in  

front of me, trying to connect to their energy, to 
connect to where they're at. And then, you know,  

oftentimes we go on a subtle, slow journey towards 
what it is that they're trying to find. But then  

sometimes also it just happens in one day and 
people will sort of look at themselves with  

tears in their eyes and feel really seen. And to 
me like that's why I do this work. Like now I have  

tears in my eyes thinking about it. It's like it 
really does matter. It's not superficial. It's not  

frivolous. It's important. Hair is major.
Yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah. It's major. And you know, I'm really touched 
by the space that you create for people to tune  

into that, to explore that, to question that. 
And as you're saying that you've had to work  

on yourself, to really let go of some of 
this conditioning, right, that we receive  

from the world. And I'm like curious for you as a 
non-binary person, what that has meant for you to  

reconnect with your sense of self as a non-binary 
person. And also how that maybe has impacted your  

either your art or how you show up in the world. 
I mean, this has touched everything. Like,  

there's nothing it doesn't touch. And um I'm 
47 years old. I grew up in white culture where  

gender was very boy or girl. And there was no 
in between and there was no examples of anyone  

who was non-binary. There was no stories. 
You know, I was very much in queer culture,  

but even that was very cisgendered. And so it 
wasn't until I was about 39 40 years old that  

I met my the first non-binary person that I'd ever 
met in person. And I remember just in that moment  

being like like some kind of calm washed over me. 
It was like uh there it reminds me of like my dog  

when we're out for a walk and he sees another dog 
and he's been around humans all the time and then  

he sees someone who's like like him, you know. or
you know it feels like I'm an alien. I've been an  

alien here and now I'm seeing 
another alien from my planet 

and there and and that feeling the first time you 
feel that or understand that it's like an answer  

to a question you've been asking yourself 
all day every day for me 39 years like why 

don't I feel like a woman and why is it so 
hard for me to perform the act of being one?  

It's exhausting. So yeah, as the years have gone 
by since I've come out, which has only been a few,  

I one, I I feel at home in my body and in that 
because it is my home, I feel a lot of pride  

in how I decorate myself. I want this body to be 
honored and decorated in a way that truly reflects  

my soul and has nothing to do with gender. And 
then there are ways in which I express myself  

sort of intentionally to honor the part of myself 
that had to pretend to be a woman like I grew out  

my leg hair or my pit hair and I I like to make 
like wear dresses and have hairy legs or you  

know when I had my shaved head. Those balances 
of sort of like gender stereotypes are things  

I'm artistically playing with to hopefully 
make some people uncomfortable. Honestly,  

I like the idea of like a man seeing my boobs 
and my dress and being attracted to me,  

but then seeing my hairy legs and being like, 
"You, you know, I I don't know. It brings  

me joy. It's an it's an artistic performance 
artist that I'm constantly trying to do." Um, 

yeah. And then because I I I I now have 
this expansive idea of what self-expression,  

adornment, and decorating yourself should 
be, it makes me better at my job because I'm  

anytime we're thinking in bigger, broader, more 
expansive terms, especially when it comes to art,  

um we're just going to create a more pure, more 
authentic, uh visual expression. Yeah. And you  

know, I'm love the way that you make art and 
I'm like curious if you have a name for the  

aesthetics that you connect with. I'm just like 
in awe of like how much color you play with and  

the sparkles and the dreaminess. Like I want to 
live in the world that you like create so badly. 

That's Yeah, that's kind of it. That's 
it. I I do too. Yeah. I think art is  

um for me like what keeps me alive, what makes me 
want to be here on this planet. And so I like to  

just create the world that I want to be in, but 
also it's the world that I'm now visually able to  

um if it's through illustration or painting or 
creating jewelry, dying fabric, that's the world I  

escaped to during the hardest years of my life as 
a child. I created all of these things in my head  

between the ages of like five and 15. It was where 
I disassociated to. It was where I went when I  

sat in in church. I'm heavily inspired by stained 
glass because I spent hours and hours and hours in  

these dark, deep holes of Catholicism, but then 
up above me was the light streaming through the  

stained glass and all the color um saved me. 
So, yeah, I love color. I love the magic of  

color. Color has energy that I can see and I can 
feel. And so when I'm creating, I just want to  

communicate with color. Yeah. And I love how much 
you've been doing that in the magic spell studio.  

Like I just feel like it's so incredible that 
you've gotten to take some of this, as you said,  

lifesaving, visionary existence and bring it into 
the physical form and share it with other people.  

And I'm curious what that's been like to have your 
own space that as you said you were doing haircuts  

in your garden for a while and now you have a 
space like a physical location that people can  

come visit. And I'm curious what it's been like to 
like decorate it and to like make it your own and  

to then have people come and invite them into that 
space. It's just so fun. It's the funnest thing  

ever. One of my art forms that I I could couldn't 
do just financially or logistically, but that I  

love love love is like an immersive experience. 
And maybe not so much what you see in an art  

gallery, but more like just immersive spaces 
that feel transformative. And so with this place,  

in this moment we're in, there is so much darkness 
and so much to be afraid of. I wanted it to feel  

like ascending into a cloud. Like just sort of you 
walk in and you're not in this timeline anymore  

for just a little minute, you know, while you're 
getting your hair done. So, I've just started. I  

keep telling people it's a blank slate. Although 
I think if most people thought they'd be like,  

I don't know if this is what I would call a blank
canvas, but in your world that it is, right? 

Oh, yes. It's minimalist at this moment. 
Like look at this chair. Um and yeah,  

so I have like a big gold moon on the wall 
and that uh that's meaningful to me because  

eclipse season is a big season for me. I always 
do a lot of healing work during eclipse season.  

Um, and yeah, I've got clouds and
I'm sort of thinking about this earth  

spirit. I'm not thinking about her. She is she 
has been in in me and around me since birth, but  

it it's sort of just like it's not mother earth 
in a in a way that maybe we often think of or see  

her. It's she's very sexy. She's very like sultry, 
long nails and lingerie. and she is my inspiration  

for this space. So, as I go along, I'm like right 
now I'm like working on this um this big pillowy  

hand with these long nails and it's green and it's 
sort of her hand and so that will be in here and 

um big eyes on the wall and I'm sort of 
putting her body parts all over the space.  

Um and eventually hopefully I'll have some kind 
of a studio walkthrough or a show or something  

uh when I'm done. But I'm giving myself 
the space to take my time with it. And  

then I have the elements. I have water. I have 
fire, plants. And everything I do artistically,  

I also really want people to connect with nature 
and to feel and remember that this earth made us.  

We are made of this earth. We aren't just visiting 
here. We are we are the earth. Everything here  

comes from that spiritual place. And so when 
you're getting your hair done or you're looking  

at the little garments I dye or the jewelry and 
you're decorating yourself, I want you to feel  

like like connected to the way nature decorates 
the earth. You know, my biggest inspiration when  

it comes for adorn to adornment. Um it's just
Yeah, nature is so maximalist. Oh yes, she is a  

maximalist queen. Um, yeah. Sparkles, obviously, 
flowers, vines, they're all inspiration. 

Yeah. And I love that you're bringing in, you 
know, like bit by bit, body part by body part,  

you're bringing in this beautiful spirit into 
your space. And I am wondering as someone who  

is intuitive and you know works with 
energy and is connected spiritually,  

have you noticed in giving folks haircuts that 
you sometimes either like receive transmissions  

or people have any like awakenings? I'm like 
thinking about that client that you were  

mentioning who really felt moved and changed after 
getting a haircut with you. Like does that ever  

happen? Like do you ever like have like moments 
of psychic connection with people during haircuts?  

Yeah, I was just laughing because it's like yes, 
always all all the time. And it's interesting  

because I uh when I opened this space, I thought I 
was going to do tarot readings, psychic readings.  

I'm I'm very psychic. I I connect with spirits. I 
can bring through loved ones who have passed on. I  

can bring through ancestors sometimes with folks. 
That all happens. And I in this world, if you can  

do that, then you do readings. That's what you do. 
And so I thought that I would open up the space  

to do that. I started to and then over the last 
month I've had this like very obvious, very potent  

sort of message that was like no, the hair that 
you do, the work that you do as a hair stylist,  

like that that is your psychic magic. Like 
that's why you have these gifts. That's what you 

um that's your healing work. And absolutely 
I see I see it in my clients. I have people  

I've been doing their hair for a decade now. 
I love witnessing people's journeys through  

their lives. I love watching someone come in 
timid and young and unsure. And I love seeing  

all the different ways that we experiment with 
their identity through different haircuts and  

the way they start dressing differently and 
the way they start standing up and feeling  

strong in the world. And it's such an honor to 
do this job. I get to sort of connect with all  

of these stories of people's lives. It's very 
unique to be able to do that. Um, and yeah, 

yeah, I love cutting hair, but as much as 
I love doing hair, I love connecting with  

humans and witnessing their journeys and we 
go through all kinds of things together. So,  

uh, and then me too, you know, it really is more 
than just a professional relationship. With a lot  

of my clients, we have known each other for a 
very long time. We've cried together. I mean,  

we went through the pandemic together. 
We were all crying all the time. Um, 

right.
Yeah. Uh,  

so yeah, that's really special part of my work. 
Wow. I I'm just really struck by how it is like  

a a relationship that really helps people 
explore their sense of self, grow, change,  

transform. And I'm curious, you know, you brought 
up earlier part of the disillusionment you had  

had in the hair styling, hair cutting world was 
this like adherence or like push towards western  

beauty standards. And I'm like wondering is that 
also part of the healing work that you've done?  

And are there ways that you like approach hair 
that might be a little bit different or that  

bring in some of maybe, you know, more of the 
magic and less of this like prescribed way of  

having like westernized beauty standards that 
people um feel like they have to adhere to. 

Yeah, it's such a good question and um it shows 
up in a lot of ways. My favorite of which now  

is that I have over the last seven years I've 
been developing sort of a method to help people  

transition out of covering their gray hair as 
it grows in. It is sort of just an accepted fact  

amongst many people that once you get gray hair, 
you got to cover it up because I I don't know,  

God forbid you are getting older. And we have 
such a twisted, stupid way of talking about  

and looking at aging. It doesn't align with my 
experience of getting older. I feel wiser. I feel  

calmer. I feel more beautiful. I wouldn't want 
to go back. I don't want to be younger. So, in 

yeah,
in my work as a colorist, 

I started to notice that my 
least favorite thing to do 

just energetically on a vibe level was people 
coming in for regular appointments just to cover  

their gray hair. I started calling it paying your 
old lady tax. Like people would come in, they'd be  

unhappy to see me because they'd be resentful of 
this thing that they have to pay money for that  

they have to keep up. The roots keep coming in. 
It's a vicious cycle. Now they're hyperfixated  

on the gray roots. They can't stop staring at them 
in the mirror. It feels to me like a form of like  

collective mental illness almost. And but and I do 
want to make a little caveat here to say that like  

I I deeply understand that professionally for some 
folks in the professions they are in, they do need  

to sort of hide their aging as a way to make sure 
that they continue to advance at their jobs and  

get respect. Unfortunately, we're not going to fix 
that today. But what I started to do is I started  

to just set an intention that anytime anyone asked 
me about what they could do instead of coloring  

their gray hair or if they asked my opinion 
on what they should do about their gray hair,  

that I would start moving them in the direction 
of decorating around it, painting pretty colors  

next to it, but not burying it. And then I also 
developed a method to help people transition out  

of covering their gray hair if they were already 
doing that in a way that wasn't like this harsh  

thing where you had to shamefully walk around 
with like half colored half not hair. And I then  

as I did that I watched like this magic happened 
within the clients that I do that for. you know,  

these women like going from sort of like being in 
that prison of like this is what you have to do  

because this is what everyone does to growing out 
their gray, embracing the age they're they are,  

embracing the way they look. It felt like a 
reconnection to wildness in this really cool  

way. And even the way gray hair shows shows up, 
it's in these interesting patterns. Everyone's  

different. Yeah. Uh, like, you know, animals have 
these really cool patterns and and stripes and  

streaks and dots and ways that their um their 
fur, their hair uh comes in. And as humans,  

we're kind of one note. But then as we get older, 
we start to get these patterns and these places  

where the gray comes in. And it's different for 
everyone. I always say like mother nature does not  

miss. Like it is so pretty and beautiful. If you 
embrace it and you work with it, it's liberating.  

And so the work I do around that right now is just 
trying to like not treat gray hair as this frumpy  

old insignificant thing and instead like elevate 
it and be like gray hair is so beautiful. There  

are so many things that we can do with it that 
are still fun and interesting. It's so fun to cut.  

Like doing a really like interesting cool haircut 
on gray hair is like my favorite thing ever. 

Um and then it's empowering, you know, and the 
opposite of like every six weeks going to this  

appointment that says like my aging body is 
not okay. I need to bury it and hair dye. 

Yeah.
That's that's a that's a  

bad ritual. That's a that's a ritual of shame and 
self disgust. Really one of my favorite things to  

discover and work on. Um, and I've been doing it 
and I'd love to do more of it. Anyone that wants  

to come see me to work with your gray hair, to 
make your gray hair more magical, to make your  

gray hair feel sexy and cool or whatever the thing 
is that you want to feel that you know you are.  

Like I just think it's an opportunity. I don't 
see it as something to cover up. I think it's I  

think it's the best hair we get to have. Ah, I'm 
loving what you're sharing and it's so visionary,  

so expansive, so transformational. And I really 
do see you as an activist in really pushing  

up against some of these boxes, jails, ugly 
rituals that people feel sometimes they have  

to put themselves in. Whether it's feeling like 
they have to adhere to a certain gender norm,  

a certain age norm, you know, these are ways that 
people have been imprisoned and also damaged,  

right? like it really makes people feel bad about 
something that can be perceived as beautiful,  

wild, powerful, magical, unique. And to me, again, 
like I'm like seeing that hermit energy in this  

too, where you're really creating a path that 
so many people are going to benefit from your  

vision and your ability to really highlight the 
beauty and magic in people reclaiming something  

that this system has really tried to teach us 
is bad. disposable. So, I just like really want  

to name that what you're doing is so special, 
so incredible, and I'm just like so excited  

to highlight your art practice, and you know, 
really wanted to bring you on because as a Gemini,  

as you know, in Gemini season, I really wanted 
to have another Gemini to connect with and also  

someone who sees art in such an expansive way, 
knowing that art really permeates through so many  

aspects of our lives. And I'm curious if there's 
anything that you want to invite folks to like  

connect with you around knowing that they can come 
visit you, but I also would love for you to share  

they can see some of your art, how they can get to 
know you better, and how they can get brought into  

your wonderful magic spell that you're casting. 
Thank you. I I think at the core of all of this,  

what the one thing I want to say is that 
like liberation starts from within. And  

um and that it is a noble and worthy cause to 
liberate yourself in any way you can from the  

rules that exist for you. And part of those 
rules, the rules that I like to work with or  

that I like to break are the ones around how you 
should look, how you should act. And so yeah,  

I'm here magicspellstudio.com my website. I 
created it myself. I'm trying to I really, you  

know, I think you just released an episode about 
this, but a lot of witches have left social media,  

which for me, I'm like, well, where h how will 
you find me? Because those are my people. Um,  

and I have to be on there. So, I am on Instagram. 
I have a very small following on Instagram that I  

kind of just keep up for appearances and also 
because there's some friends on there I like  

to talk to some other hair stylists I like to 
connect with and you know jazz up. Um yeah, 

so Magic Spell Studio on Instagram. I never 
post on Tik Tok but I also have a Tik Tok with  

the same name. My neurodivergent brain gets too 
overwhelmed on Tik Tok so I can't really be there  

too much. But, uh, if you're in the Bay Area, I'm 
always accepting new clients. You can email me.  

All that information is on my website. If anything 
I'm saying resonates with you if you're looking  

for a safe space to explore your identity for any 
reason, it doesn't have to be even any of the ones  

that I've mentioned today. There are millions 
of them. Um, I'm here for you. I want to work  

with you. I I do this work because I love it. I 
am honored to get to connect with people in the  

way that I do and this is my life's purpose and 
what a joy it is to have a purpose like this. So,  

um yeah, that's it. Wow. Thank you so much for 
sharing all this and I'm sure there's going to  

be so many people that resonate what you've had 
to share and I really want to encourage folks  

to check out your website. I want to ask you, 
you know, just as one last know thing to share  

knowing that you're someone who is intuitive 
and also knowing that we're moving through a  

challenging time in this country, in this 
world right now. I just wanted to see if  

there's anything you'd like to share with folks 
listening to this episode and maybe take a moment  

if you would like to tune in and see if there's 
anything that wants to come through you right now.

Yeah, I'm not going to sing it because I I just 
started singing and I'm not singing for anyone  

but myself right now. But I wrote this little 
incantation and it goes like this. I wrote it I  

I cut my son's hair. We were walking home and I 
was walking behind him and it was an especially  

just messed up day of news and disgustingness 
and I was looking at him and and I just I heard  

this song in my head and it was very simple but it 
was you are much bigger than this. You are so much  

bigger than this. I have always known since the 
day you were born you are much bigger than this.

Wow. Thank you, Opal, so much
for being on this episode. And I  

want to just invite folks to connect with you. 
I'm going to be sharing all of the links that  

you shared for folks to get in touch with you. 
And again, I want to just thank you for being a  

part of your art as a spell and for casting so 
many powerful spells that touch so many humans  

in this world when it's so needed right now. 
Thank you, Edgar. This was so lovely. Yeah. 

Yeah, that was such a precious conversation I 
just had with Opal. I'm really struck by so many  

things that they shared that really resonate with 
some of the themes of this podcast. First off,  

seeing art as a transformational magical practice 
that helps you reclaim your power and also feel  

a sense of belonging of identity in a world that 
often tries to put us into boxes or tell us who we  

are meant to be. Opal's radical visionary practice 
is really also centering gender expansiveness,  

gender nonconformity, and also reclaiming a 
sense of beauty and presence that doesn't have  

to adhere to western colonialist styles of beauty 
that many people feel like they have to follow.  

I'm really moved by how they're working with gray 
hair as a wild asset that we should really bring  

into our lives. And I'm really like looking at 
the grays in my beard here, feeling so proud,  

feeling so pretty and just so excited by what is 
possible when you look at something that's been  

seen as not beautiful or seen as not important 
or frumpy, whatever words that people will like  

to put on. on gray hair and flip that script and 
see it as something that you should be proud of,  

that you should show off, and that you should also 
feel affirmed by. So, I want to really invite you  

to connect with Opal, check out the offerings that 
they have, and if you're in the Bay Area, go check  

out their space because it sounds so magical. I 
really hope I get to visit it one of these days  

in person myself. And again, I'm going to be 
including all of the links for Opal so that you  

can connect with them here in the description. And 
I want to invite you if this resonated with you,  

if you have a friend who's in the hair world or 
someone who is thinking about changing their own  

hair or thinking about their gender or about 
their grays, this is such a great episode for  

you to share. And also, of course, would love to 
invite you to cast your spell into the algorithm.  

Give this episode a like if you're watching 
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review as all of that helps us build bigger 
connections between one another. Until next time,  

do not forget that your art is a spell and it will 
change your life and the world around us. Bye.