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Conversations from the Hype Network; Business innovation, technology, and current events from a faith-filled perspective.
Ps Vance: Okay.
Okay.
Hype pod.
We are at episode 173.
Oh my god.
We got, uh, Vance, your step in
moderator because Arunskis is out again.
Ps Adam: Arunskis, always out.
I feel like he's more
Ps Vance: out than he's in.
He's
Ps Adam: definitely half in.
Like there's a
Ps Vance: podcast out there called All In.
He's Half In.
We
Ps Adam: should be, we
should be called the Half In.
We're a new name.
Forget Hype Pod, we're Half
Ps Vance: In.
But it creates opportunities, right?
Because we're innovators.
When Arunski is out, uh, or Pastor
Adam's out, or I'm out, we have an
opportunity to bring in a guest.
Ps Adam: Yep.
Ps Vance: And Pastor Adam,
we have a distinct guest.
Distinguished.
Let's
Ps Adam: go.
A distinguished guest.
Pressure.
No pressure.
Anthony Diaz.
Anthony, who's already been
on a hype session panel.
Oh, that was an incredible
Ps Vance: one here in the
Ps Adam: Silicon Valley.
I was proud to do that.
Yeah, that was fun.
That was great.
Super.
I learned, I feel like I learned so much
on that particular panel and uh, really
where this has come from is, uh, we're
post election now, which for everybody
in the industry knows that we're in
boom time, baby, in the crypto world.
It's nuts.
And, uh, Anthony is, I call him an expert.
He would not like me using that.
He is too much pressure.
Too much pressure.
Okay.
But, uh, in comparison to what
I know about the crypto world,
you're my go to, uh, then I go to
a rune, um, but, um, I thought we
could have that discussion today.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
Because it is crazy times for crypto.
Yes.
Crazy times for crypto.
What are you seeing Anthony?
And maybe you can set it up by giving
a little bit about your background.
I know the hype network and a hype
members know about you, but a lot of
people just at vibe church and other
churches, they subscribe as well.
Yes.
So they might not know you introduce
yourself and then let's talk crypto.
Anthony Diaz: Appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
Well, first, it's great to be on,
on here talking with you guys.
Love the hype network.
You guys have done a phenomenal
job putting together something
extremely unique, extremely
spiritually rewarding and vital.
I think for every entrepreneur investor.
And so it's exciting to see the
growth and where it's going.
Yeah.
Um, Anthony Diaz, founder
and CEO of the go project.
Our mission is to unlock abundance.
Unlock abundance to support common,
common services, common commerce.
And we believe that there's so many
Assets coming online, so much value
getting unlocked kingdom come systems
and we're here and now's the time and I
think God's put us in this position to
really unlock value and there's a term
I'll do, uh, RWA, real world assets.
And so our chain, we have a chain and
a whole system to unlock real world
assets to integrate with Bitcoin.
So we believe that Bitcoin is some
sort of, We think it's a blessing.
We think it's a blessing.
Crypto is a blessing.
It has the sovereignty and all
the elements that you would
want to see in a money supply.
And we believe that a lot
of assets are coming online.
So we think that systems are needed.
You're starting to see that with
all the asset managers in the world.
So just a little bit about me.
Um, I built a built encoded claim
systems right out of school.
I got really into managed
mental health care from all
aspects from, you know, um, I.
T.
perspective operations
became a master lean six.
I'm a black belt, which is just a
fancy term for process improvement.
Well, um, I'd had my
own consulting company.
I did that for small and midsize
businesses, apply technology.
I'm a repeat founder.
It's my first company was called Bradley.
It was a organic food delivery company,
probably before it's time before like,
uh, you know, the Instacarts of the
world, um, that business did not exit.
Um, but, uh, a draw drew me in
the right direction along the way.
I lost my father to
heart disease and really.
You know, put a fire in my belly.
He was very hardworking.
I came from humble beginnings.
I was born in Brooklyn, consider
myself New York and, but I think the
most important thing is I always got
to see my dad serving church, right?
Grew up in a Pentecostal evangelical
church in Brooklyn, New York.
Look, that was all my, always my beat.
And so when I came here to
vibe, I was like, this is it.
This is the, this is what
I need as an entrepreneur.
You have so much oscillation.
So when I come here.
It feels like home.
It feels like I need this.
We feel like Pentecostals.
Let's go.
And so I've just not into laid back.
I need, I need it for, for, for, yep.
And, uh, and so just fast forward a
little bit, you know, with what might
happen with my dad that always put
a fire in the belly in terms of like
health policy, in terms of safety, in
terms of, uh, just a lot of things.
Um, I started off the enterprise side
of the go project, which is, um, An
employee wellbeing platform where we
support thousands of companies around the
world through your chat platforms like
Microsoft Teams, Salesforce, and that will
now go on to be a, uh, distribution unit
for our protocol, which will allow any
company to tokenize any asset in seconds.
Wow.
So this is happening very fast,
but, uh, yeah, it is an exciting
time in crypto, the go project.
We have 4 million strong
community, 1 million users, 20.
Holy d kidding.
Yeah.
24 DAPs and games that have
been built on our system.
What we'll go on to launch,
um, ambitiously a $50 million
ecosystem fund by the end of Q1.
Wow.
And we are in the process, not to
date this, but you know, we're in the
process of raising 45 million right now.
Come, whoa.
10 million is in nodes.
Ps Adam: Let's go.
Anthony Diaz: That's a whole
other separate conversation.
What is a node?
And it's like a server.
It's a decentralized server.
And 35 million in, um, in
a mix of token and equity.
So we're really excited.
We've raised about 7 million so
far, not as much as overflow,
you know, we envisioned, but,
but we've been pretty efficient.
I know in the previous podcast
episodes, there's been this concept
of like the, uh, the small person team
that raises a lot that is upon us.
We're kind of like, I love
Ps Adam: that.
Anthony Diaz: Genghis
Khan kind of come on.
And, um, it's just a blessing.
It's just good to be here with you guys.
I'm at, I have questions for you guys, you
know, I want to know your days in a life.
I don't know how you guys do it.
Well,
Ps Adam: we're trying to learn
a few because, uh, to have a
4 million strong community and
1 million users, that's crazy.
Where was the inflection point?
How did it start and how did it, when
did it just take off to get to a million?
Yeah.
That's, there had to
be an inflection point.
And
Ps Vance: can you answer that
with also maybe breaking down
the users and what they do?
Yeah.
Break it layman's terms for our listeners.
Anthony Diaz: Absolutely.
So I would say inflection point
is when the community, um, being
where the conversations are had.
Telegram's a powerful place
where conversations are had.
A 10th of the planet is using
telegram now and they do it in
a very dynamic way and it's very
obviously popular in Asia and Europe.
Yep.
So that's been big.
So when we put out the ethos that
say, Hey, look, we're going to be a
system for unlocking abundance and
we think there's enough abundance
to unlock universal basic services.
We think that you should have
like free healthcare plans.
We think we started saying what
we believe and I always made sure
that our mission, vision and values
is aligned to godly principles.
So I think when people started
seeing our ethos, um, BNC talk about
a lot about the aesthetic, right?
And then that started to express itself
through the aesthetic of what we're doing.
Wow.
That was the inflection point.
And then, so what the users do is they
come to our game and experience and
yeah, they're, they're doing things.
They get tokens of the day, but what
they're seeing is this chatter and
community that's talking about health.
Benefits.
They're connecting their Apple
watch, their Google, you know,
all of their stuff and they're
doing competitions and challenges.
They're supporting each other.
Our bot is giving advice
about health and wellness.
You know, obviously we get a lot of data
confidentially, but then, you know, that
can go in and feed the system so that we
can give better health advice and this
is across the globe, across the globe.
Yeah.
We have, Oh my God.
Probably like 40 different countries.
We're in.
Wow.
And we probably are at the good bad
problem of like, we probably need
moderation in different languages.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's a good thing,
that's a good thing.
I mean, every threshold has a new problem.
Ps Vance: So your application
is basically built on top of
Telegram and it's a AI bot?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah, it's an AI bot.
I mean, right now our core
system is an Ethereum fork.
And so for those that don't know
what blockchain is, you know, there's
like, Bitcoin, there's Ethereum.
Ethereum is like Bitcoin with like
applications that you can build
on it and good infrastructure.
Right.
Anthony Diaz: So, uh, our core system,
uh, Go Smart Chain AI is on testnet
right now, so it's not officially live.
We've been expressed that so a lot of
when a lot of chains launch, they kind
of don't really, they're like generic.
They don't really do too much.
And so we believe that you should engage
your users before you launch on me.
And, and so that's why we slapped a game
on there, not artificially, but just like
we got to give people something to do in
the real life and in the virtual world.
So come in.
Check in, you're going to get
some tokens and stuff like that.
And then you can cash those
out when we're on main net.
But we wanted people to also get a
sense of connecting their steps and
getting rewarded in a message from
the bot when they hit 10, 000 steps
or they did a, you know, a prayer or
meditation or they can take a screenshot
or a workout selfie or scenery thing.
So we ingest all these different media
formats to blend the virtual world
with the real life world as well.
So I grew up as a gamer.
One thing I didn't like about games
is how much it robbed from our lives.
It's kind of like artificially stealing.
Stealing, you know, you're not meant to
sit in a chair all day and play Diablo.
It doesn't, it feels more satanic than
anything, but especially Diablo, right?
You know, I know must just pointed,
uh, bragged about his gameplay just
like, probably like two hours ago, but,
um, but long story short, I think, um,
that was the, the, the critical thing.
I think every business needs to think
about gaming and gamification and
adding that to their, their application.
If you can make sure that what you do
and you own your space, your ethos is out
there and you do it in a simple, uh, way.
Fun and rewarding way.
I think that adds a lot of value.
People are wired for games, right?
Oh, a carrot
Ps Adam: driven, right?
Yeah.
We're going to be motivated by something.
So talk to us then about the
tokenization of real world assets.
Explain that because I mean, this is a,
probably a new world of understanding that
I think if people unlock this, everything
about crypto starts to make sense.
Anthony Diaz: Exactly.
So real world assets is this concept that.
I mean, it's always existed.
We've had tokens for so long.
Tokens have always represented
things for a long time.
Like in the form
Ps Adam: of what banknotes,
Anthony Diaz: those kinds of things.
A dollar that represented gold
a long time ago and that made
sense in our money supply.
That's when money was really like
sovereign made sense and actually, but
you know, when you go the last, you know,
45, 50 years, Months and half the money
supply for the US dollar was printed, you
know, and then you start to say, wow, wow.
I don't know about this dollar anymore.
I mean, I went to go get a haircut
the other day and I'm like, man,
These dollars in my hand feel weird.
Like it feels like it's just
melting but um But real world
assets is um This, this concept.
So our chain will allow anyone
individually to tokenize your assets.
So say you have like a vintage
Harley Davidson motorcycle in
your garage, you want to tokenize
that, maybe put a contract and say
Vance owned 60 percent of that.
He can drive that motorcycle Monday,
Wednesday, and Friday, right.
You know, or in a more extreme
example for a company that has
like carbon credits on there.
I know that's debatable at the whole
green stuff and the carbon credits, but.
You know, it's it's an asset
somewhere or intellectual
property or fleets or real estate.
And so what do you do with those idle
assets that are just sitting there?
Well, when you actually have an
immutable record and you have a way to
represent that on the blockchain, you
have truth around that asset and you
can apply actual tokens around those,
then you can probably trade those.
You can take those assets and invest
in other parts in the business.
You can invest in other,
uh, grow locations.
Uh, but then what would you look at that?
Um, like if you want to then divest
that into Bitcoin as a company,
as a treasury and maybe you want
to do some alternative coins like
Obviously, it's different risk profiles
and things like that, but, uh, 16 trillion
worth of assets are coming online in 60
months, less than six months, 52 months.
I mean, and it's happening already.
You're seeing the black rocks of state
streets, the vanguards, um, you know,
obviously policy wise, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
optimistic about the next administration
that will probably cap asset managers and
not owning more than, you know, if you
have more than 50 million worth of assets,
you should buy single family homes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If that didn't happen, then we would be in
the real world asset space a lot sooner.
So it's a societal shift.
Is
Ps Adam: that what, is that
what's happening with BlackRock?
Uh, BlackRock in, cause I know
BlackRock specifically have been in
buying up homes all across America.
Are they then tokenizing
them and using them as a real
world asset to back a token?
Anthony Diaz: I think not directly
right now, but I think that's the plan.
Yeah.
I think that would make sense.
Yeah.
I think that would be the plan.
I think that, that definitely
was what's been happening.
Obviously you got.
To, you know, a sort of like a crucible
happening with the, the, the inflation
and the buying of those, those homes.
But, um, if you think about it, all asset
managers are way past the homes now.
They're in ETFs.
The ETFs are exploding right now.
You know, ETF, and now Altcoin ETFs,
and now you're going to start to see
that happen, um, where the Larry Finks
of the world are thinking, like, we
got to tokenize everything now, we got
to tokenize water, we got to tokenize
everything, so infrastructure is needed,
so we're in such a pull demand for that.
And, uh, the blessing is that through
our enterprise business, health
hero, we've, we support thousands
of companies around the world.
We have good distribution.
We know how to sell the enterprise.
A lot of people on the web three and
blockchain space, no offense, but they're,
they're young people in their twenties.
They have no idea really how to sell
in the enterprise and distribute.
We have an opportunity to really
distribute our protocol and
really reach a lot of, and health
Ps Vance: hero is a
similar experience to the.
Direct to consumer experience, but just,
yeah, contextualized for enterprise.
So different security
protocol and things like that.
Exactly.
Anthony Diaz: Highly integrated
with Microsoft, Slack,
Salesforce, all the communication.
Tools that people use in a company,
uh, spin up a competition or challenge
download it for Microsoft teams, um,
run a full employee wellness platform
from that, that is in the process.
We believe that that's
a really good front end.
And now we're in the process
of evolving that into an ERP
platform, a modern ERP platform.
And so, and the great thing is we get to
grant our community and the developers
that have been building on our platform.
So we don't have to necessarily pay
fiat right now, but our, our Our
community believes in our token and
in our coin, where we can write them
grants for 500, 000 and say, Hey,
can you build out the rest of that?
You're glad to do it.
I'll do it for, you know,
for a coin and token.
So that's a blessing also of having
sovereign, um, a sovereign currency.
But also being able to
then you're trading in that
Ps Adam: own sovereign currency as well.
So before we, before we progress, just
to, just to kind of, cause I think,
uh, everyone listening is getting
the education I'm getting right now.
And, uh, I want to go back
to the Vance Harley Davidson
analogy of a real world asset.
Uh, he doesn't drive a Harley Davidson,
but let's just take his Tesla.
Okay.
Um, okay.
So he wants to tokenize his Tesla
and he wants to, uh, leverage
maybe 6 percent of the asset.
How do you value that?
Real world asset and
tokenize it versus value.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Truth, validity.
I mean, uh, we believe that there's a
whole new type of like gig or type of
position that will exist if you take
kind of the blend of like an actuary,
uh, and doing appraiser, Right.
There's probably this is
that happening right now?
It's starting to happen.
Yeah.
So people will because
otherwise it's just made up.
Exactly.
Right.
You know, I think my Tesla's
Ps Adam: worth a million dollars.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
You have to validate what the value is.
And then there's certain attributes
of an asset that need to occur.
And so there's really no magic
to tokenizing an asset other
than when was it created?
What was the value?
Who valued it last?
That third piece is a
really critical piece.
What is somebody willing to pay?
What is someone willing to pay?
And then if it's a Tesla or maybe
the new Tesla cabs where eventually
you'll start to see people own
five of those or 10 of those.
They want to tokenize
maybe two of those five.
Um, convert those to tokens, but
then you need someone to value.
Obviously the Tesla cabs, right, at some
point will have a very specific value.
It'll be very interesting.
Um, I don't know if you've
gotten something notarized.
I got something notarized, uh, last week.
This minority business enterprise
thing, which I don't like the
special stuff for like race.
Like, I don't, I don't, I'm not
like, but it was pretty interesting.
I, the notary person is just
like, man, you do this all day.
I asked him, like, you do this all day.
You just validate it.
It seems pretty straightforward.
But that, that role, uh, you'll
start to see in real world assets
where you get someone on the phone.
It's like, okay, let's upload
all of this information.
And it'll create a whole, you
know, gig economy, we believe.
And we actually want to be
a startup idea right there.
That is, yeah.
For anybody out there that wants to start
Ps Adam: the, uh, the token notoriety.
Notary.
That would be great.
Yeah.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
So, uh, obviously there's going to
be industries that really mature.
For example, the car industry is probably
already there with Kelly Blue Book.
Yeah.
So you can even just probably, uh,
create smart contracts connected to
Kelly Blue Book, build in depreciation
schedules already in that smart contract.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a whole.
Asset class, like cars
is much easier, right?
It's more turnkey where maybe
like art needs like a Sotheby's
and something like that.
Um, okay.
So you have been focused, it
sounds like on users engagement.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Ps Vance: How much of the tokenization
of RWA is happening right now?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah, so that's
something we're brewing up.
You actually have to get licenses
and create SPVs in different
industries across different
countries to be able to set that up.
So the legal side we're working through
right now, our main focus is our first
token, which will launch next month.
It's a RWA token.
It's called GoXP.
And, um, it's, uh, it's going to
launch ideally, you know, next month.
Don't quote me on it, but for like a
13 million fully double market value,
the goal is let the community pick that
token up and ideally increases in value.
That's launching on Ethereum.
We'll move that over to our
chain main net 90 days later,
sort of in the middle of this.
Bull cycle, God willing that continues.
We foresee it continuing.
And so right now we're not tokenizing
any assets, but we're simulating.
We're allowing our users to simulate what
different assets that they technically
hypothetically have just to prove out
the system and just to accrue the value.
So how many assets is a 22 year
old in Guatemala own versus Someone
in Southeast Asia or in the U S.
So we're simulating that in our
system in a gamified way, right?
Um, and so to prime everything and do
everything we can before we unleash it
and then let the licenses like kick in and
And things like that the gas going for our
Ps Vance: so it's going
to be more like a game
Anthony Diaz: Yeah, it'll be more like
a game We believe everything should be
simple fun rewarding sort of As a game
and then literally within two taps or
just a few seconds to allow anyone to
tokenize I gotta be honest with you.
That
Ps Adam: seems like the greatest way to
get familiar You With this world Yeah.
Is to play a game.
No risk, like a sims.
Like Yeah.
You know, like a sims, like, and
then you go, Hey, I know the world.
True.
I know the platform without,
I haven't lost any, you know,
depressing skin in the game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anthony Diaz: It, it, it, it really is.
I mean, as soon as you make something
a game, you learn it quicker.
Yep.
As soon as you own something,
you learn it quicker.
I mean, we believe that you don't
take notice until you know, I mean,
you know, I think you have two
children, you have four, right?
I got three kids, three kids.
That's right.
Sorry.
And don't forget that.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I don't want to, we like all of them.
We like, um, but you like them so much.
You probably want them to teach them
by having them own certain things.
So imagine our children, right.
Owning a piece of art, some tokens
in some real estate, virtual.
Ps Vance: Uh, homes, is
this virtual cars for now in
Anthony Diaz: virtual for now?
Yeah.
And then ideally real world games.
Are you, are you creating the
Ps Vance: supply then though?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Um, we, we are creating a supply.
The goal is to get so many different
diverse users that people are representing
all the different assets that are out
there, but also for the enterprise
that are on our system as well, to get
that diversified assets, the enterprise
assets are significantly different.
They're real estate, carbon
credits, there's fleet, there's
intellectual property, um, but you'll
start to see, this is the thing.
I mean, there's not a, not a.
Um, you know, try and say what I, I see
happening, but you're going to start to
see the CFO operations leader and finance
people drive more sales and revenue
probably than sales teams because there
have so much sort of like modern alchemy
with what they could do with their assets.
So that's a, that's a big
belief system that we have.
We think that a lot of people
don't see that happening.
Um,
Ps Adam: but yeah, can you talk to me
then about, uh, when you're talking
about real world assets, every asset
that you've listed so far, except maybe
the art has a depreciation effect to it.
Yeah.
So how does that factor in to a
trading economy when you've got a
tokenized element on a real world
asset that's got depreciating value?
Yeah.
Uh, how does it stay current value?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
I mean, we believe that the depreciation
will be reflected in the token price
because it is tethered to reality,
you know, so an appraisal should
not just happen on a one time event.
There should be a frequency to it.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that will level itself out as the
frequency is baked in by asset class by.
Ps Adam: And will that,
Reappreciation happen on trade.
Anthony Diaz: It should
and could happen in trade.
It can happen on bundling.
So imagine what you can do with
bundling tokens and then how does that
asset fit into a greater ecosystem?
If it is tied, if you can show that
the value stream of that, maybe that
fleet of cars is tied to that ecosystem.
Other bigger piece of real estate or
amazing supply chain, which in itself.
So there's so many different ways I
think in the modern world or where
we're going, that's going to be able
to cut that value in different ways.
So we see appreciation happening
more than, more than anything.
And then, um, you know, to be able to
put that to work, to, to kind of grow.
So imagine, you know, we, we see
this happening with countries,
with states, with churches, with
nonprofits, with, with for profits.
Um, there's going to be a lot
of opportunity to just grow
and take those idle assets.
Right.
And do you ever,
Ps Adam: do you ever pinch yourself
and think I'm living in Tron?
Yeah.
Like you're living in a different reality.
Anthony Diaz: You know, the
last two weeks, I'm sure you,
I think I see your last plot.
It is like a whole new world.
It's crazy.
It is a whole new world on all dimensions.
I mean, it feels like.
Currency wise, safety wise, but I
feel like you have to learn a new
Ps Adam: language for this new world.
You do.
So you're saying stuff that
I've never heard before.
Uh, and I feel like I'm just speaking for
probably 90 percent of our listeners where
you're talking a language that is the
first time I've heard this gobbledygook
and, and it's a new world and, and yet
it, there's that element of it that makes
sense, but a lot of it that is like,
okay, I need to get my head around this.
Anthony Diaz: Value.
I think that's the most
important thing, right?
So it's like, it's just value,
Ps Adam: right?
Anthony Diaz: Just value
a system for value.
How is value changing?
Yeah.
What, what is crypto do for value change?
It just allows it to be.
Owned by many more, no middle person.
You know, we, if you think about
it, we have to unlearn a lot of the
concepts that we were taught or not
taught in grade school and in college.
Because this challenges
Ps Adam: your fundamental concepts
of how, how money works, economy
works, all of these kinds of things.
Um, and so that kind of has to, you have
to almost go back to your foundations.
And be willing to trade up some
presuppositions that you have on how you
create wealth, how you trade commodities.
And this is a whole new industry.
Anthony Diaz: It's a puzzle.
It's, it's meant to sort of be a puzzle.
It's kind of your own discovery
of like value, even energy, right?
If you've ever heard Michael Saylor, which
is the micro strategy fortune 500 company
that just, I think crossed a hundred
billion plus in value just by being a.
Bitcoin investment index, right?
Well, I'm insane, but I think
the most important thing like
sailor talks about is energy.
There's a correlation
between energy and money.
And you know, the biggest thing
that we can do as fathers.
Is make sure our kids know like get as
out as possible before you trade time
for money Yeah, get out of that mix And
then once you start getting into that
mindset like, you know, christ didn't
design us just to trade time for money
You know, we we are supposed to be doing
god's will yeah, we are supposed to be
Um, you know doing things, uh, yeah, we're
not gonna get out of this world alive.
We're gonna suffer Yep, but I think
what's really important is you have
to think about Um, energy, your
time, your willpower, your will.
And um, there's, we're obviously dealing
in a world where currency is important.
Yeah.
And so you need to have
your own philosophy on it.
It just so happens that crypto blockchain
and assets have this, you know, value
thing going on that everyone needs
to kind of discover and the best
way to learn it is like always take
a hundred dollars out and get some,
Ps Adam: see, I think that,
I think that's the thing.
I think there's a, there's those
who have probably jumped in
really early and they're bullish
and they're loving this season.
Yeah.
I think.
I, I refer to it as, I feel like I'm
in the stands watching the players,
uh, going, wow, they're having fun, um,
but I don't know how to play that game.
And so, you know, there is a,
there is almost a hesitancy or a
fear of missing out on this new
world and being late to the game.
Um, you've got alt coins,
which we could talk about.
We've got stable coins,
which we could talk about.
Let's talk about, let's talk about that.
Let's talk about Bitcoin for a moment.
Um, because.
It is, you know, very, very thrilling
to watch all the Bitcoin owners, um,
just having fun loving life right now.
And, uh, you know, it's been talked about
it being a, you know, going in the next 10
years to 13 million that's been projected.
Um, what's your view on, on
those stable kind of coins and,
and that as an investment class?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah, I think, um,
like let's throw the, the U S dollar
and other country currencies in
the mix as well for real estate.
Let's just throw it all in the tape.
Yeah.
So it's, it's, I think it's an individual
choice, but obviously the asset managers
in the world, companies have spoken,
individuals have spoken, what, what is
the fundamentals behind this currency and
why does it go up and why does it go down?
Everyone needs to have that own
relationship and where it's someone or a
teacher can't tell you you have, and then
owning a little bit is, is a big thing.
So it does look like Bitcoin is
going to be super far superior.
It feels like the right way
that money was supposed to be
set up once you get into it.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Anthony Diaz: And it
does continue to go up.
It.
You know, a lot of the asset
managers are invested in it.
It does seem like a great store
of money if all of us wanted
to go to the bank right now and
get 50, 000 and jump on a plane.
It's very awkward to do that, but your
money should, you should sort of be
your own bank when you think about it.
And if we were just, this was our first
day on earth and someone told us the
concept of a bank, we probably wouldn't.
Go into our heads like, wait, I'm giving
all my money to this group over there,
and they're using it, and they're using
it, and then wait, I get taxed here, and
I get taxed here, and it's just like, that
doesn't sound right, oh my gosh, we gotta
rebel against the government, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
So, a lot of those concepts wouldn't
make sense if it was our first dinner,
so I think Bitcoin has all those
attributes of really good currency.
I think
Ps Adam: it has those attributes,
but I think the thing that we're
still yet to see is it decentralized.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Yeah,
Ps Adam: you know because the appeal
of bitcoin was it's a decentralized
currency Yeah, but it is still very
much tied to market inflation or
market deflation So we see that right
now property value inflation stock
market Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies
altogether whether alt coins or
stable coins all follow the same trend
Ps Vance: Yeah, because we don't
use it to buy things yet Yeah.
That's the issue.
Yeah.
Right.
You have to get into the real world.
Yeah.
It's like,
Anthony Diaz: just like we
were talking about the barber
barbershop analogy, right?
You go to a barbershop and
You know, it just feels weird.
I was like, okay, let me go back into
this, this earthly world of transacting in
this paper money to make something happen.
I think philosophically, yeah,
it's like going backwards, but
philosophically that makes sense.
You know, maybe that's still my
world, Anthony world, there's going
to be this vast world of different.
Currencies that people
believe in like Bitcoin, maybe
Solana, maybe some meme coins.
So you're not a Bitcoin
Ps Vance: maxi.
The way you were talking about
it though made it seem like
you should be a Bitcoin maxi.
Anthony Diaz: Sort of.
Our chain is.
So GoSmartChainAI is a layer one.
It's a fork of Ethereum and we designed
it to be only for real world assets.
So that's not a technological involvement.
It's more philosophical.
It's like we're not going to
allow meme coins on our chain.
Only real world assets and then it
has the integration with Bitcoin.
So we want to enable organizations.
So are
Ps Adam: you categorizing
Bitcoin as a real world asset?
Anthony Diaz: Uh,
Ps Adam: yeah.
Wow.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Ps Adam: So the real world
asset are in the ethereal world.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
It's a great store.
It's a great store of value.
Yeah.
And, uh, that's proving that I know we
were talking a little bit before this,
but you know, that's why you're not seeing
the second tier one, which is Ethereum.
Yeah.
Um, you're seeing a lot of that
extra value flow into first Solana.
And now you're going to start
to see that flow into Cardano.
And obviously there's a lot
of recent policy things that
with doge and cart are down.
Oh, these currencies are
being extremely taken serious.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Anthony Diaz: Right.
Big believers, big cultures behind them,
and that's something to be proud of.
Noteworthy on, I, I can't find a
telegram group that's called The US
Dollar is Awesome group slightly.
And that's something to be said.
You can, can you break
Ps Vance: down, uh, just
a couple of the Yeah.
D differentiating factors between
El Solana and uh, Ethereum?
Yeah.
And, uh, some of these, the main
ones, the main and maybe the
Ps Adam: US D coin.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
Yeah.
USDT, yeah.
I
Anthony Diaz: think the way you
would break it down is like, you've
got the, the maxi of all, if you
have a hundred dollars, right?
It's like 25.
No, not financial advice, but
you know, 25%, you know, Bitcoin,
Bitcoin's that, that anchor.
Ethereum is like Bitcoin with.
Usage around it.
And, um, there's a lot of expenses still
with Associated, but with Lightning coming
Ps Vance: out or here, it
Anthony Diaz: makes the pro, the
protocol makes it easier to, yeah.
So
Ps Vance: like, isn't that
like a Ethereum killer?
Anthony Diaz: Uh, it, it could be.
Okay.
Yeah.
And you may, that may be, be already baked
into something of Staticness, probably
of what's happening with Ethereum.
A lot of other things stalled a bit.
You've got, uh, sort of like
the PayPal mafia, right?
You have the breakouts of like,
uh, ho uh, ho uh, Charles.
From, uh, Cardano, right?
Uh, in Solana, those
were forks of Ethereum.
Those were copy and pastes and they
created their own passionate ecosystem.
They improved upon performance.
They really focused on the community.
Not that Ethereum didn't, but you know,
those are the major players right now.
But,
Ps Vance: but Ethereum,
Solana, Cardano, they're all.
Similar use cases.
Yeah.
They're all similar.
It's just brand.
It's just brand.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
It's just brand 90 percent overlap
probably in their code base.
Yeah.
Probably as much less than that.
Let me not, I don't want to get,
I don't want to get polygon.
Yeah.
Polygon is pretty powerful.
Polygons investor in us.
So, yeah, Polygon's an investor
in us, Animoca, Sequoia Capital
Scouts, Lightspeed Capital Scouts.
We've got some really great investors.
Wow, you've got some big names on
Ps Adam: there.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah, we do.
We, we're, we're very blessed.
Uh, we've got a lot of believers in our
company, but I think most importantly,
yeah, Polygon I, I, is, is falling out,
you know, of the, of the, the top 10.
I don't know where it's at as of today.
But, um, elections over now, poly market
Ps Vance: was on polygon, right?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Poly market was on polygon.
And, um, yeah, that, what an index, right?
What an index, what an
index for, for sentiment.
That was fascinating to watch.
Way better than the crepe polls.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean,
Ps Adam: that just shows a new,
a whole brand new user space.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
For the poly market.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Forget the polls.
Forget the, you know, what is it?
The, uh.
Oh, the polls are just, I mean,
I think everyone knew that
Ps Adam: for a long time.
Right.
But this proved it.
Yeah.
This proved it that, you
know, the sentiment was there,
but it's still manipulative.
It
Anthony Diaz: is.
Ps Adam: Cause any market,
someone can just dump a lot of
money and move, move the needle.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
And it's, it's, uh, it's just interesting.
I think the right outcome happened.
It's, it's a blessing to
kind of see godly principles.
Come on.
You know, really come out, um,
explain the finance energy.
I think, um, you know, I look at like in
the Bible, like, um, I, I try to look at
it like, uh, Mo, Mo, Mo Kizodek, right?
Like, you know, he was kind of the, the,
uh, uh, a precomer to the, um, to Christ,
but you know, the, um, the state king
or, uh, you know, he was very versed in
government affairs, but also in church
affairs and they shouldn't be separate.
Right.
When you think about
it, you know, it's like.
Need a border, need safety, no war, peace.
Oh my gosh.
Um, great financial principles.
Ps Adam: Yep.
Anthony Diaz: Um, you know, make sure that
environment is really healthy for people.
Oh my gosh.
We got away from common sense.
So that's what I mean by that.
And then just going deeper, just
to round out the question before, I
would say that when it comes to these
financial principles, you know, look
at it, like, and I know we talked about
this in a hype podcast, but it's like,
what would King Solomon, how would
King Solomon's portfolio look like?
He'd probably have.
You know, probably in a bear market,
probably six to 10 percent still
in crypto, but in a bowl and he
probably increases that, right?
And then he'd split that between a
lot of Bitcoin, some Ethereum, some
Solana, some Cardano, some Doge, some
meme coins, and I'm not financial
advice, but spread it across.
And then the more riskier stuff, you know,
just make sure whatever you put in there.
That if you lose it, you don't cry
for more than three or four days.
That's, that's the way I always tell
everyone that's the sort of unofficial
health, several days of crying,
days of crying, 40 days, 40 days.
That's biblical.
It's there's a time for weeping.
Yeah.
So the rejoicing, but, um,
it is an exciting time.
I actually have quite, you guys
are asking me, like, I have
questions for you guys that I don't
know if ever been brought out on
Ps Adam: the podcast.
Come on, we do the interview.
Just stay in the life.
I mean, I'm fascinated
Anthony Diaz: by what you guys.
Due, and, you know, the, you know
what, a hundred churches right.
In the next 10 years.
That's
Ps Adam: right.
Anthony Diaz: You know?
Yeah.
A lot of churches being planted next year.
Vietnam.
Yep.
West London, Dubai.
Yep.
Yep.
Spain, right?
Yep.
Yeah.
Mm-Hmm.
. Exactly.
Mm-Hmm.
. Wow.
Nailed.
And, um,
Ps Vance: let's go.
Anthony Diaz: And I'm just
fascinated, uh, day life.
I know.
My day is crazy.
I get up at four 30.
Yep.
Probably like you guys.
Yep.
Right.
I'm on instantly, you know, by
five 30, I'm 700 messages in.
Oh yeah.
But how do you, how do you manage
what you, what you guys do?
Ps Adam: Oh, fire that one in advance.
Oh my gosh.
Ps Vance: I mean, cause you got
back from a red eye this morning.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Life has been a little bit blurry lately.
Uh, have not been in routine, but.
It's been all good stuff.
I think, you know, that's a tough question
to answer for me in this season, just
because, uh, a lot of the day has been
irregular, uh, due to just demands
of the business and, you know, uh,
facilitating the growth, closing big
clients and, and things of that nature.
I would say that.
As much as that has been blurry,
I try to do certain things
every day that keep me centered.
Right.
Um, and so one of those things is I
just, I have just like a super kind of
dad bod workout right now where I just
like get on the treadmill and for 45
minutes go on like You know 14 15 incline
nice and just stay on this thing And
then end it with like a sprint uphill
like it's just like those things are
centering points Like okay turn on vibe
worship for at least like 30 minutes
a day Obviously get in my word Uh,
and I like pastor Adams model, right?
Where it's just chew on a verse, right?
So there's like, there's principles that
no, no matter where I'm at, whether I'm
going to be spending a lot of time in a
plane today or whether I'm with my kids
today or whether I'm at church today or
whether I'm at the office today, those
things make me feel centered every day.
Uh, and I would say that that's probably
a constant that gives me my capacity.
Yeah.
Right.
Whenever I miss.
You know, even just two of those like five
elements that are constant in my life.
Um, I start feeling off
balance a bit off kilter.
I don't know about you, Patrick.
No, I think
Ps Adam: it's exactly the same.
I think there is a, um,
everything's seasonal too, right?
Like, so I love seasons.
What I love about California
is you get, you do get seasons.
Um, they're mild seasons, but I love
looking forward to the next season.
Good.
I think it's the same in the work life.
Like right now.
We're entering into Christmas
season, and so, you know, it's
not necessarily travel season.
I mean, you've got a few trips here and
there, but it's not like the season I just
came out or vision season has been hectic
travel, you know, all that kind of stuff.
But you can do with that if
you've got a horizon and you're
looking forward to something
good in
Ps Adam: the midst of those
seasons, I'm always trying to
develop some patterns, right?
Yeah.
I've got some, I got a statements,
no Bible, no breakfast, right?
So that's just like my little
drive to go, man, I like to eat.
But I've got to put my word in first.
I love it.
I take my manly and my Bible everywhere
now So if I'm going down the road if
I'm going on a trip, there are two
elements I'm gonna have with me because
I don't know when I'm gonna get space
But instead of just on a flight watching
a movie, can I just have my word?
Yeah,
Ps Adam: can I just prioritize
some healthier things that
keep me a bit more centered?
And so I think it's um, I'm on
a really big thing at the moment
about delayed gratification.
It's just something that God's
been speaking to me in this season
about, okay, you know, I'm 44.
Okay.
And so 10 years from now, when I look at
the 10 year vision, I'm going to be 54.
Okay.
So what can I look forward to?
Rather than just look to, I think this
is something like we get so focused on
a short sighted obtaining of something
like, you know, obtaining this thing
or getting this thing, but getting this
love for going, Oh, I could buy this.
So I was talking to somebody
like recently about buying skis.
Okay.
New ski seasons coming could
really do with a new snowboard.
Okay.
And then I think about that.
Well, my current snowboard, it works.
It's great.
And new snowboard is going to
be like, let's say 1500 bucks.
Then you go, well, I could take that
1500 bucks and I could invest it.
So every time I look at my
current snowboard, I don't
look at it with despise.
I look at it with joy because.
My current snowboard is making me money.
Cause I didn't trade it up.
So it's
Ps Adam: that, how do I get little wins?
And that's gamifying your
work life balance investment.
And I love my snowboard now because
it's now making me money technically.
Cause I was about to spend
1500 bucks, but I invested it.
Anthony Diaz: Does
Ps Adam: that make sense?
Oh
Anthony Diaz: yeah.
Ps Adam: And I think it's just that
I like You know, you go through
a season where you like to spend.
Mm
hmm.
Ps Adam: I'm gonna say it's more like to
save Yeah, I just love the thrill of going
Ps Vance: I could have bought that but
I didn't you know what's cool about
that is I feel like oftentimes when
people talk about routines and Capacity,
they're so focused on time management.
Yeah, we're actually it's much
more about energy management
Ps Adam: That I would agree with that,
Ps Vance: right?
So, so really when you have proper
energy management, whether it's your
mindset, gamifying things, uh, or
it's finding those things that you're
passionate about or that center you,
you're actually less concerned about
time management because you're super
productive because you're energetic.
Right?
Like I, I, I've learned that I'm not
the most disciplined person I've met,
but I'm very excited about what I do.
And so I'm excited to wake up.
Like, I'm not like, okay.
I'm going to force
myself to wake up at 5 a.
m.
today or whatever.
Christmas morning.
But it's like, because I'm pumped, right?
It's like, I am tired, but
I'm pumped for the day.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think it's a, um, you know, if you
can get on that, uh, you know, it's
the, it's kind of like the gamifying,
but what do you look forward to?
What does get you up to go?
Oh man, I'm so looking forward to this.
I've been, um, So, so this is how deep
it gets on the saving money thing.
Um, I'm personally fixing
my own hot tub right now.
So my hot tub, it busted, it broke.
Uh, and you know, obviously
it's getting cold now.
So how much do I would, I would love to
go home tonight and just sit in a hot
tub, but it's not working because I've
had to figure out how to replace the,
the pump and, and it's, it's so involved.
And I'm like shopping for cheaper pumps
and I'm trying to get the best price.
I'm haggling with these guys, you
know, but because I'm on this, I
want to save every cent so that
when I do sit in the hot tub.
I'm not cursing the hot tub.
It cost me all this money to fix it.
I'm sitting in the hot tub
enjoying it because I saved money.
I did it myself.
And it's the fruit of your labor.
I think we're, we're fruit driven and when
you look at fruit driven, it's biblical.
Jesus, Jesus said, you know, my father,
he cuts the vine, he trims it, I cut off
every branch that doesn't produce fruit.
So I want to be a fruitful person.
And so you could look at it as
saving, or you could look at it.
As, as saving verse waste, I
look at as fruit as unfruitful.
I want every area of
my life to be fruitful.
That's my drive is, and we've
said it before everyone out
orbit better because of us.
I just want to be fruitful
and to produce fruit.
And that's where I feel like, Oh man,
I get, I get this appetite for fruit.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
If you, if you think about it,
Like an entrepreneur, right?
Um, talking about budgeting, you're
the CEO of every dollar, right?
This dollar that feels like
it's melting in your hand,
but you're the CEO.
And why I say that is because you
would never run a company as a CEO, not
knowing what each employee is doing.
Right.
You would make sure that each employee is
deployed into a bucket or towards a goal.
Yeah.
Ps Vance: Right.
And so I love this gamifying
kind of, uh, mentality that you
have Pastor Adam, because that
allows you to recontextualize.
You know, uh, you know, the, the value,
right, that store of energy, uh, so
that you're motivated, you know, like,
um, I think sometimes it's so hard
to budget if you don't have an aim.
Yeah.
Ps Vance: Right.
When you have an aim.
So, you know, several months ago,
Kim and I had this dream for a
few years now of, you know, moving
into a certain neighborhood.
And then when we got serious and
just like, no, we're going to do
it, we're just going to do it.
And we had an aim.
Yep.
We did it.
Man, it was so much easier to save.
Like you just, you just have this
maniacal focus and you're just thinking
about it actively, but not in like a,
I'm going to discipline myself way.
I'm going to just go without, you know,
and you know, all that type of stuff.
But it was connected to a desire.
It was connected to a vision.
It was connected to something
that we were aligned on.
Yeah.
Right.
And, um, can we
Ps Adam: get even a
little bit more cathar?
Like, uh, I would say
like a little bit more.
Uh, organic.
Yes.
Cause gamifying, I feel
like is modern terminology.
Sure, sure, sure.
Let's get back to battle mode.
Yep.
I think we're built for battle.
Oh yeah.
So what we need is victories.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Ps Adam: And, and sometimes you've got to
build your own battles to get victories.
So you could just go, okay, with the,
with the hot tub analogy, all right, look,
let's just take some money out of savings.
Let's just do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That wasn't a win.
That was a loss.
Yeah.
Woo.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Ps Adam: But if I take this
battle and I get a victory.
Yeah.
The joy
Anthony Diaz: is in the battle too, right?
The joy is in the battle.
Yeah.
The
Ps Adam: joy is in the accomplishment.
Yeah.
And the joy is in the reward
of going, man, I beat it.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Ps Adam: That's so good.
I beat it.
Anthony Diaz: That's my
favorite cheer for my son.
My son's eight and he plays soccer.
Right.
You know, I'm the only parent
that says, good battle.
Right.
To get him, you know, cause when the,
the trophy period is, is very slim,
it's once you're there, you're there.
You're there.
But we lose sight of that battle.
That's, I love that analogy.
Ps Adam: So what's your, what's your,
give us your background a little bit.
Wind it back just for a moment.
Um, because this seems like.
When you were going through
school, this industry didn't exist.
So how did you prepare for this world?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
I mean, I, I grew up in Brooklyn.
I'm New York in, I, uh, my
dad moved us to Florida.
I don't know.
It just went away.
I think of Florida and, and I don't
know, I chameleon a little bit.
Um, not, not like some politicians
out there, but, but I would say
that when I went to Florida, You
know, just growing up, you know,
I, I remember taking accounting.
Here's one thing.
I remember taking accounting in
like ninth grade or ninth grade and
the concepts of debits and credits
felt like they should be backwards.
Wow.
And what I could say is fast forward,
it feels like we're living in that
time where the accounting principles
actually will start to make sense in
the way that they were destined to be.
Wow.
I think, I think assets and what's
happening in the world is so massive that
potentially the concepts could change,
could flip of deficits and credits.
Wow.
That's how much value's
being created, but.
Yeah, just background wise.
I, I, I, I came, that's a big idea.
Hang on.
Hang on.
That's what's right.
That's the summation.
That's the snippet right there
of like what, what changed?
Um, you know, I got into health,
I got into process improvement.
I, I came up, my dad, super hardworking
chef, um, you super hardworking.
He worked like 80 nineties hours.
So all I have to do is just
type on this keyboard, right.
Every day and do.
You know, 20 zoom calls a day.
And my dad really had the hard work.
Um, he, he passed away young.
I was, I was young when he passed
away, but it always left me like he
always served in church and he always
told me like, get into technology.
This technology thing is also,
he directed you that way.
Yeah.
He directed me always technology.
Ps Vance: Come on, you know, you
Anthony Diaz: love helping people.
He was kind of like an herbalist to me.
I'm, I'm kind of like a hippie
and into different herbs and
different holistic, uh, medicine.
And, and he direct me in that path.
Okay.
Um, And I think that's what, that's
what sort of like rounded me out.
Um, eventually.
Working for a managed mental health
care company led me to understand
the flaws in our healthcare system.
And I always had that passion
for not just helping people.
But I think as I got older, it realized
it's just, it's not about helping
someone physically or mentally.
People are spiritually unhealthy
and that's what they need.
I mean, coming back a little bit
to the hype network, like that's
what founders need, you know?
I mean, how much, how much benefits do we
put on mental health and health benefits?
Right.
Where's your spiritual health?
Yeah.
You know, and you need other people.
Iron sharpens iron, right?
So.
That's, that's just what
led me to where I'm at.
Obviously we're still a work in process,
but we, we do determine to make the
ecosystem where we, we pray that we
can do the ecosystem the right way.
We see some players out there.
We think they're hitting it
a little too superficial.
Oh, just like infrastructure, no
funding games over there, no enterprise
distribution, but if we do it right, we
think that not to get too deep on, but.
Universal basic services concept
of like reducing suffering.
Yeah.
People are survival mode.
It's something common sense.
The planet's most water.
Lots of flora, fauna, 7 trillion.
If we want to do free health
care, free food for everyone in
dollars, yeah, seems like a lot.
Well, that's in Fiat.
But what if you were to do it and,
you know, create a system on built on
real world assets and sovereignty and
create like a shared services model for
universal based service, then it becomes
an index for governments to invest in.
How would you
Ps Adam: introduce that?
Anthony Diaz: Um, the way we're doing
it right now, he would talk with
Ps Adam: RFK, Maha, Maha.
Yep.
Anthony Diaz: Um, so the way we're
introducing it now, so we actually
have like a gamified guild program,
uh, where you do bronze, silver, gold.
And then if you get into silver, when
we release her token, you'll get free
health care, you get free mental health.
Um, medical cost sharing.
Um, we also want to introduce in
our community live prayer, live
meditation, you know, dare to do that
on telegram or discord, but we'll do it.
And, um, that's our first foray.
Healthcare is 50 percent of
universal basic services.
And then we also right now give
reimbursement in our go XP token on
test net for healthy food purchases.
You do in the grocery store.
So you go to, so you're building like
Ps Vance: a co op.
So basically if you buy
into it, then you get it.
Exactly.
Got it.
Anthony Diaz: And almost
like a bank, right?
So technically a bank should, if you
have 10, 000 in the bank, I can't
believe any bank hasn't done this.
They should sort of
give you like benefits.
They should, they should.
Ps Vance: Absolutely.
Right.
Anthony Diaz: I mean, what bank, um,
what bank in the right mind, just
being a bank that did that would be
tremendous, but treat us like a bank too.
Right.
So if you hold, you know, Thousands
of dollars worth of GoXP and us.
Yeah, we're going to give
you medical costs here.
We're going to give you,
um, mental health benefits.
You're going to get 50 percent
reimbursement for the healthy food
purchases you do in a grocery store.
Just take a picture of your
grocery receipt and send it in.
And obviously our data set grows.
We're able to work with more organizations
and it becomes a service utility.
So that's our, I feel like
I've slept on telegram.
Yeah,
a
Anthony Diaz: little bit.
I mean, I don't think you're, I
don't think you're missing it.
Once you're in though, it's kind of like
one of the, so you guys are busy enough.
That's why I was just like, Oh my gosh,
I'm glad you guys aren't really in the
telegram world because once you jump in,
it is just like jumping into traffic.
Yeah.
You're just getting, it's just soon as you
get online, it's just getting bombarded.
But, you know, it is a really great
platform to communicate on and,
uh, you know, it's simple and easy.
Web three communicates through that world.
Discord is really powerful
for communities as well.
We think churches, um, need to use
probably discord and telegram a lot more.
We think that those are important mediums,
probably just as important as Instagram,
Facebook, just because it's one to one
direct conversation is a close, close.
You can create close communities,
you can create channels very
dynamically, easy to admin.
Um, just easy to communicate with
different people around the world
right now, the kind of Facebooks and
Instagrams with language, they're kind
of like bifurcates like the country.
So I think the difference between a
Ps Adam: telegram and what's at,
Anthony Diaz: um, very similar
Ps Adam: and signal.
Can we throw a signal in there?
Anthony Diaz: Yeah, I would
say signals in there, right?
I know there was that whole Tucker
Carlson thing with Sigma, right?
So I don't know.
I think signal is, is secure.
I think telegram is more free and open.
Telegram is more free and open then.
Yeah.
Okay.
Then what's app, what's
app zone by Facebook.
So it's just some, like more of a
personal preference, you know, is
anything really ever telegram CEO
Ps Adam: get like arrested?
He did.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Ps Adam: What?
What?
I heard that
Anthony Diaz: went, went
to France in France, right?
Went to France and then got arrested
and then came out 10 days later.
And who knows now, you know, there's been
no report or no report was conducted.
I think there were some terms
and conditions that were updated
afterward that the community and,
you know, but, um, no, I can't
think of any platform in the world.
I mean, startup idea, Hey, a new telegram.
Yeah.
Right.
So there's lots of opportunity
with communication, but.
And at the end of the day, it's, I
think we talked about this before,
branding community is really important.
Yeah.
And so wherever people can spark and
have better conversations for community,
that's where startups need to be.
Churches need to be.
I think that's where even
governments sit to, you know, current
administration is so important.
Loud on Telegram.
Really?
I learned, because I have
notifications on, but I, the current
incoming obviously X No, the,
well, the, the, the, the incoming.
But they've been loud Yeah.
For the last 14 months.
Right.
Big time.
Yeah.
Building that, building it and um, it's
just more real time than even x and you
know how fast X is now X is rendered.
CNN's of the world, almost
Ps Adam: irrelevant, irrelevant,
biggest platform, biggest news
platform in the world right now.
Anthony Diaz: Oh my gosh.
I mean, it's, it's insane.
Um, that takes up a lot of time in
itself, but it's, it's great to see.
It's finally, you can see like truth
unfiltered, no, no lies and just, yeah,
just see what's happening out there.
And yeah, and telegram is
a more dynamic way of that.
A little bit more chatty,
a lot more chatty.
So telegram has
Ps Adam: a feed.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
Telegram has a feed depending
on what you subscribe to.
It's very similar to what's happening
now in that, in that, in that regard.
Um, You can make games on telegram
and then plus it's sitting on
ton which just pierced the top
I think it's top 10 top 12.
Don't quote me on it I I don't stare
at it a lot But you have the 10th of
a planet communicating on the platform
and then they release a token and
a foundation and they're investing
In projects day in and day out.
It is a full so we say 10th of
Ps Adam: the world.
Give me that number
Anthony Diaz: 10th of the world.
I think they're up to like Telegram 910
million users or something like that.
That's quite a lot.
Almost
Ps Vance: a billion.
Yeah, that's quite a lot.
Yeah,
Anthony Diaz: that's
quite a lot It's massive.
It's massive.
It's an exciting time.
I mean, that's just one dimension
of the whole web3 blockchain world.
That's That's tremendous.
But um, i'm excited.
I got to hear about your day in
the life though And how you guys
handle your you're hilarious.
You're alone.
I want it.
You're a boss, bro I need to, I need
to, you know, this is how I can,
you know, sort of relate and you
guys give, give me so much advice.
Uh, Sunday's message was the,
the, the, um, you know, be
aggressive about expanding.
I took that.
I took notes.
I don't know if you saw me.
I was taking notes.
I was taking notes and, uh, you know,
be aggressive and, uh, that's what,
that's the main thing I took away.
Um, but, uh, yeah, appreciate
what out of all of us that
you took away, be aggressive.
That's, that's the way
my lawyer works here.
He said aggressive.
What?
Okay.
Grow.
Yeah.
So better.
You know what?
Ps Adam: I did.
Uh, I did also challenge, uh,
the concept of a, a Sabbath.
Yes.
Anthony Diaz: Yes.
Which
Ps Adam: is very unpopular
in the Silicon Valley.
Yeah.
Did you
Anthony Diaz: look at my notes and
catch a few things that were not
sermon related that I wrote down?
You know, cause sometimes I have to.
Oh, pay that guy.
Ps Adam: Do this.
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, something came to your mind.
Adam didn't see that.
Uh, right.
Can you, um, can you just quickly before
we, uh, pull this to a close, I would love
to see because I mean, you, you're, you've
come out, you've come into hype and then
you found yourself in the Vive community.
Yeah.
Um, you've got Pentecostal background.
What is it?
Um, cause just for my own interest, what
has it been about vibe, bringing your
family in all that kind of stuff that is
going, Hey, this is where we want to be.
Anthony Diaz: Yeah.
I think the community, the energy, the
culture, the word, the, um, you know,
saying who you're not, who's saying,
saying, you know, biblical principles.
I think it's really important to say what
you're not, what you don't represent.
And you guys do an amazing job on that.
Um, obviously just, um, the
family environment, the system,
the growth mindset, the ambition.
I mean, a hundred, a hundred church
plans in 10 years is phenomenal.
So that's what I took away.
I mean, as is via first, before I even
moved from Florida account, this was
the first church I visited 11 years ago.
And then my neighbor Spooner, right,
is, uh, you know, plays, you know,
Spooner, yeah, he's my neighbor.
No way.
And then I said, well, one morning I
was like, I was like, I'm going to vibe.
He's like, I go to vibe.
I play.
I play bass.
I was like, man, I love life.
I saw you and your, your, your wife speak
like, and then I, and then I was looking
for houses here and places to live.
And then I came physically
and it
Anthony Diaz: just always stuck at me.
I visited a lot of churches, but, but.
Um, I think the energy and then
obviously entrepreneurs, I think that
the concept of hype, I'm, I'm, I'm
excited about the expansion is doing.
I'm excited about obviously the Dubai
campus and what can happen there.
There's a lot of opportunity, but I
think hype is something that needs to
be almost like a benefit for everyone.
You know, you need to be in that
as a benefit needs to be a benefit.
And I, universal basic service.
Come on.
It needs to be in there.
Let's support it.
You know, let's get
Ps Adam: on, go and, uh,
.
Anthony Diaz: So, sorry.
I don't wanna elongate the podcast
longer than, but, but that's what
I say drew me in and it, it is just
a phenomenal, you know, culture.
I mean, when you're a founder, right?
You know, there's only so many places
you can go where you can understood.
Like, it's like, I wanna go
where people know your name.
It's like that cheer
concept, like with hype.
It's like we got the prayer
meeting on on Monday.
Yep.
I need that.
Yeah.
So good.
I need that.
I don't have time for this and that's why
I need it, you know, and I stay there.
That's good.
And it's like.
Uh, man, you know, I need to pray.
I need to slow down.
Maybe my last call, my standup meeting,
you know, I'm, I'm here talking about
17 different topics in 12 minutes.
I need to be slowed down and
just realize what matters.
We're here to align our
will with God's will.
Am I doing God's word?
I'm in the right direction.
So.
As you guys plant churches, I mean, my
vision is like, you know, shared services
across, like, how can you, you know,
support all the people in a church?
It's endless.
It really is.
And so it does really feel obviously
like, you know, bringing the systems
of the kingdom in heaven to here.
Like, I feel like that's in my heart.
I mean, obviously with like overflow,
like I look at that as well.
Like, You know, you got the same memo.
You got the memo early.
He got the early memo.
I got the memo.
I, you know, you probably
crumbled up through it this way.
And I caught it.
No, I'd be like, I made a paper airplane.
Okay.
Maybe I grabbed it and I was
like, yeah, that's awesome.
I'm going to do that.
Something like that.
But maybe, you know, obviously
it's just an exciting time and, um,
Ps Adam: it's an exciting time and I
want to extend an invitation to you.
Sure.
But I want to drop an Easter egg,
uh, for the hype, for the hype pod,
because we haven't even mentioned this
or announced this on any platform,
but we need to talk about hype con.
Oh,
Ps Vance: you want to
Ps Adam: drop that
Ps Vance: now?
I think we should drop it now.
Uh, so, so do you want to drop it?
All right.
I'll, I'll tee it up, but then
you, you officially drop it.
Uh, so last year we brought the hype
community together and we did it in
the Silicon Valley, one of our first
conferences ever, and it was incredible.
It was.
Oh my goodness.
That's Felt like we just kind
of dropped a bomb in the place.
Cause there's not really a space to
your point, Anthony, where you can blend
kingdom minded entrepreneurs, founders,
innovators, creators that talk like you.
That is centralized all in
one place because our draw.
Was actually from all over the world.
Yeah.
We had people coming from Europe.
We had people come from Mexico, Brazil.
Yes.
We had people coming from the middle East.
And so we were like, okay, in true hype
fashion, we need to continue to innovate.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Ps Vance: We need to continue to expand.
We need to, as people
think we're going to turn.
Right.
We're going to go left and we need
to throw something at the hype
community that can get them truly hype.
And I think it's going to be in
conjunction in alignment with also
vibes vision, because everything
is synergistic in this ecosystem.
So pastor Adam, what
Ps Adam: did we drum up?
We drummed up the idea of
actually moving HypeCon to Dubai.
So we're going to do HypeCon Dubai.
It's going to be March 26
and 27 in downtown Dubai.
And, uh, we are stacking
this with the best.
I think Vance is bringing his whole staff.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just put that out there.
So this is the invitation, Anthony,
because I, I'm just telling you
right now, having you on a panel.
Come on.
This, this would be cool having you
on a panel talking your gobbledygook
and blowing people's minds around
all things coins, alt universe.
And I think it's just, we're stacking it.
I was talking yesterday with one of our
hype ambassadors who's working for X
AI and man, some of the things he was
telling me, I'm like, man, we're going
to have a discussion about quantum
computing and artificial intelligence,
and we're going to get all this in the
mix Transcribed So it's not only going
to be an epic place experiencing Dubai
innovation and bringing the Silicon Valley
to Dubai, it's going to be an education.
Where I think people are going to walk
away with whole new missions, vision
statements for their life and inspiration.
That's amazing.
Ps Vance: It's going to be incredible.
And this is so cool.
Cause you are our first live invite.
Yeah, right now.
I accept 2025
in Dubai, March 26, 27, March 27.
We will drop you.
The link in the show notes, and
we'll be starting to blast it.
We're going to stop blasting it real soon.
All channels, including Telegram,
because Anthony's going to get us in
Telegram and we're going to get in there.
And also, Anthony is one of the exclusive
invites because he is in our ecosystem.
If you don't know about the hype
membership, that's what Anthony
has been referencing, where we
have a closed private group chat.
And here's the thing.
We're exposing you to one
of our members, who is.
Who is obviously wicked smart.
Um, and so it's application only.
You probably didn't get in
cause this is a type of caliber.
And so don't feel bad
cause that's pretty good.
Um, and, uh, maybe you can reapply,
but if you haven't applied yet, you
should, because you can rub shoulders
with people like Anthony that are
literally in the trenches, like all of us
building, but let me say this, let me say
Ps Adam: this because I've actually
spoken to different people now and
they've disqualified themselves exactly
because they feel like they're too early.
They haven't founded a company
yet, or they feel like they're too
late, they're kind of established.
I'm telling you, we have
got people at all stages.
All
Ps Vance: stages, all industries.
Ps Adam: All stages,
exactly, all industries.
And I'm telling you,
it's only lacking you.
Yes.
And so what, you don't just come
to a hype membership looking for
what you get, you gotta come with
the mindset of what can I give.
Ps Vance: It's so good, it's so good.
And I love what you said, Anthony,
about the reason why you came to
Vive, one of the elements was we
were very clear on what we're not.
I heard Seth Godin say the other day,
he went to Dave Chang's restaurant
in New York and, you know, the
first time he orders the Brussels
sprouts, but he's vegetarian.
So he asked for Dave
Chang to remove the bacon.
And so they gave it to him.
And then the second time he did it again,
they gave it to him without the bacon.
Third time he went, he's like,
yeah, I'd like the Brussels
sprouts without the bacon.
And then Dave goes, Well, Seth,
um, we put the bacon in because
we think it's good with the bacon.
There's actually a vegetarian restaurant
three doors down that I can recommend.
Uh, you probably don't want to eat here.
And Seth Godin goes, that's when
Dave Chang became Dave Chang.
Yeah.
Right.
Brand.
Right.
And so, so what pastor Adam is saying
is that all stages, all industries, but
what we're not is if you're just looking
for a life of comfort, if you're looking
to just sit back and rest and vest.
And you know, all that type of stuff,
you know, um, then, then, then, then,
then hype membership is not for you.
But if you are ambitious at any stage,
if you're ambitious in any industry,
if you want to make a difference and if
you want to move the kingdom forward,
especially in the marketplace, then yeah.
Hype.
Oh, it's for you.
Maybe it's
Anthony Diaz: good.
It's great.
It's been life changing for
me not to, but yeah, I see
investors getting involved in it.
So entrepreneurs should come, they
should apply, you know, don't hold back.
We prayed about this.
Yep.
On Monday.
Yeah.
Katrina challenged.
Uh, I think she put that prayer
on me to, to, to pray about it.
And, uh, yeah, you know,
don't hold back apply.
Obviously, you know, you need that as
an entrepreneur, you will get lonely.
You will, you will face hard
times and, uh, you need to.
That iron around you to sharpen.
You need that constant, you know, fiber.
So, uh, so yeah, the program's Just
amazing exciting to hear about that.
I'll be there.
I'll be there.
Come on.
Let's go.
Yeah, so it's gonna be great
Ps Vance: I love it.
Thanks.
Anthony.
What a great pod.
Come on.
This felt so good.
Thank you so much God bless you, man.
Anthony Diaz: What a treat.
Yeah, you guys are a blessing.
I really appreciate it.
Let's
Ps Vance: go.
Awesome.
See you later
Anthony Diaz: Thank you