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Interviews with entrepreneurs and business leaders who’ve “made it” in Thailand. Real stories of ambition, setbacks, and strategic wins on the path to success. Built for founders and operators who want to win in Thailand.
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Friso, thank you so much
for joining me today.
Scott, it's an honor.
Thank you for having us.
having me.
Absolutely.
To start off, I'd love if you
could introduce yourself, who
you are, where you're from.
Sure.
Yeah.
So my name is Friso Poldervaart.
I'm originally from the Netherlands.
Moved to Thailand, at 18 years old.
So before I moved to Thailand,
I was studying basically.
and when I graduated, I
studied, cinematography.
10 days later after graduation,
I moved to Thailand and Of course
I didn't have, any backup plans.
I didn't have also any funds to be
honest, being a student obviously.
So it was really just
let's go and figure it out.
And, yeah, there was some tough
years in the beginning, but I'm very
grateful for those years because,
that sort of makes you who you are.
And Thailand has given me a lot.
It's given me many opportunities.
It welcomed me to stay here.
And that's also, why I decided okay,
I need to make it also a very big part
of my life to do the favor in return I
need to give back to Thailand as well.
Yeah, that does tie us into
what you've created here.
And I'd love to hear that story of why you
decided to start Bangkok Community Help.
Sure.
Yeah.
No.
I think a lot of people know Greg.
anybody that's been in Thailand for
a while has probably bumped into Greg
Lange, owner of Sunrise Tacos, the
Mexican food chain, but also back in
the days the owner of Sunbelt Asia.
I met Greg.
we discussed some things, at that
point, and this is, 10 years ago maybe
I wanted to sell, one of my businesses
and he, wanted to help me do that.
So I always knew Greg.
And then COVID-19 obviously hit, and I
had this idea to get with a few friends.
Okay.
business is gonna be slow.
It's really looking quite grim
for Thailand, not knowing how
grim it would become, eventually.
So let's start and do something.
Let's start and help out.
So we decided to start cooking
meals for people in lower income
communities, slum communities.
And I remember one of my friends, I said,
we will need a big kitchen for that.
we will need, proper equipment for that.
So I said, okay.
I know Greg.
Let me call him.
So I called Greg.
He was immediately like, yes,
of course, whatever kitchen
you want to use, let's go.
And that was when we met again.
That day 4:00 AM in the morning,
Greg coming with 50 kilos of rice.
We are coming with, with the
other, the other protein.
And we started cooking.
And from that day 300 meals we
come to today handed out almost
four and a half million meals.
we've come a long way.
And COVID was really, the reason
why we started, but it was also the
moment when it really opened our eyes
when we, for example, entered into,
lower income slash slum communities.
That's the moment where I realized,
okay, even after COVID, there's a lot
of things that need to be done here.
there's a lot of people in, Bangkok
that just live in, in, in very difficult
situations, in poverty basically.
So really Bangkok Community Help
is, wasn't planned in that way.
It wasn't, our idea,
okay, let's start an NGO.
It was just, okay, we wanna help others.
And with that, it started growing.
A lot of people started to see
what we do and started to agree.
We are like, okay, we see.
We see this group of people out
there all the time, especially
during COVID, when at some point
nobody was doing anything anymore.
It was just, too dangerous, the rules,
regulations, it wouldn't really allow
you to do much other than, be home.
We did the opposite.
So we were only out there, at some point.
Wearing the PPEs suit triple mask and
still being out there, still helping.
'cause the need was just so big.
And I think, a lot of people at that
time saw that, everybody was watching
and, I think that's the moment where,
you know, a lot of people familiarize
themselves with, who we are.
And I think also saw that, okay this
group of people are here for the long run.
So that's really the birth of, the
Bank of Community Health Foundation.
Wow.
Now I've heard that it's quite difficult
to set up an NGO, so it sounds like it
was almost an accidental NGO at the start
of let's get some supplies together.
So how was that transition?
Where, when was it that you said, you
know what, we have to take this seriously.
We have to register ourselves.
We have to jump through these hoops.
Explain that experience for me.
it was very soon after we started,
because, we, the need was very big.
And our ambition, also very big.
we wanted to help as
many people as we can.
the way COVID started to behave,
and we always say the way COVID
mutated, we mutated as well.
So in the beginning it was
all, very sort of ad hoc.
Okay.
okay, you give some money, you give
some money, and at some point it's
like that, doesn't work anymore.
At some point we started also
to get businesses on board.
So very quickly we said, okay, we
need to become a registered NGO.
Like you say, that takes a long
time, but because it was COVID.
Because we worked very closely
with the government we were able
to push it a little bit faster.
Because they also understood okay, this is
very, necessary that this, that this group
of people becomes a, an official NGO.
So I think, we probably
got it in a record time.
Which I don't think you can get
that anymore if you do it now.
but it was just because
it was so, much needed.
I think that time.
And that opens a lot of doors once
you're an NGO once you are registered,
a lot of, a lot of more opportunities
in terms of collaborations, in terms
of donations come about, right?
So it was a very good
step for us, to do that.
Oh yeah.
And as you said, I'm glad to hear
that you got the fast track at that
time because the need was there
and you were there to help people.
And I'm glad there weren't those,
there wasn't as much yellow tape in
the way of you actually helping people.
Yeah.
Now you mentioned Greg's
background with sunrise tacos.
Did you also have a business or
have entrepreneurial ventures.
Can you share a little bit more about
that and if any of that knowledge has
helped you in this NGO work as well?
Sure.
yeah.
No, definitely.
before COVID, for example, I
was running a, restaurant called
Dinner in the Sky, which is a
restaurant we lift up with a crane.
50 meters in the air.
So we put that in the middle of
Bangkok, where now Sphe is built.
That's where we had
dinner in the sky yeah.
like I said, my background is, film
actually, so I haven't studied business
or anything like that, but it was kind
because I moved to Thailand that early
and because Thailand at that time,
but maybe also at this time, just
doesn't have that many opportunities.
For foreigners.
Not that many jobs.
Not that much work.
I was forced to like,
become an entrepreneur.
Like I had to figure it out myself.
So the first thing I did
started a, media company.
So creative agency,
which I still have today.
I. At that time I, I had a
camera and I had my skills.
So I started making videos for
small businesses, hotels, and
then at some point, you have
two clients, three clients, and
then you have a double booking.
So you ask your friend, Hey, can you
shoot at that day so I can go there?
And suddenly it said, oh.
I'm running a business, Now I'm,
I have a team, I have a crew.
So that's how that came about.
And that company, for
example, we still exist.
We have a beautiful team.
We just shot, the first episode
of a, upcoming Netflix series.
pretty cool.
And what, how that helped me, for
example, in what I'm doing now
with Bangkok Community Help is
obviously that, we are very vocal,
for example, online social media.
We are very good at showing what we do.
We are very good at, telling
stories of the people we help.
And I think these are, very,
important ingredients of running a
successful NGO because we are the
voice of the people we help, right?
In slum communities, people
feel very unheard, right?
They are the lower end of society and
everybody looks down on them, right?
It's our job to show people that
no, these people are amazing people.
They wanna work hard, they wanna make
something out of themselves, right?
So these are things that, those
skills can apply very well
And then the restaurant background
obviously from Greg's very strong.
Logistics, those kind of things.
Yeah, I think business in general
is just, if you know how to do
business, which is maybe a little
bit weird to explain it, I think you
are a problem solver most of all.
you know how to solve problems in a
very pragmatic, very effective way.
Wow.
I love that.
I have to be honest, There
are so many nuggets of wisdom
in which you just shared.
One of one of them is, I think it's.
It could be good to come to
Thailand when you're young, right?
Because I came when I was
relatively young as well.
Maybe young, maybe naive.
I didn't do something as large as you do,
this, this concept of lifting people up
and having a dinner with an amazing view.
but that's something I'd almost
imagine only a young person might do.
But I think I, I love too
that you mentioned that you
maybe didn't study business.
but I'd argue that you learn a lot
more in business when you, are doing
business than when you're studying
you're right.
You're right.
Yes.
And you also mentioned this idea of
maybe not as many job opportunities
for foreigners in Thailand.
And I've come across that time and time
again in the networks I'm part of here.
And it's that you have entrepreneurial
minded people that realize they
might have limited options one way
and they have to make it themselves.
And it sounds like you were
able to make it yourself, and
it just piece by piece, right?
You end up, needing help from
your friend and then some.
But I, think there's two
different paths there.
You can either say, oh,
there's no jobs in Thailand.
Oh, the, opportunities for underprivileged
people in Thailand is bad, right?
All of these things are victim mentality.
It's not problem solving mentality,
and it sounds like you've taken the
problem solving that you had to in
business and now applied that to
helping others, which is a big deal.
So that's
Hundred percent.
For us, where do we fit in?
we are very grassroots, meaning
that we are always on the ground
every single day, and I think the
proof is always in the padding.
if you as a, a spectator or someone
that's interested in, helping
out see that, okay, there's.
This group of people in a blue shirt,
and every day when I look out, or
every day when I look on social
media, these guys are out there doing
something, helping someone else.
That's enough.
in the end of the day, that's
where, you know the truth is, right?
There's always something happening.
And a lot of people, I think like that.
Now what we also try and do is to
get everybody involved, so if you
want to help out, you're welcome.
You can always come.
It doesn't matter what age
you are, where you from.
If you want to come one minute or
if you wanna come your whole life,
everybody is welcome because I
think our task as NGOs in general,
but especially for us, is to give
everybody the opportunity to give back.
When I ask, and I do a lot of, for
example, talks with groups or at companies
or schools, I always thought, okay, who
in this room wants to help someone else?
And everybody's raise their hand.
So everybody's excited, right?
And then the second question is,
okay, how are you gonna do it?
And then the hands like slowly go down.
And that's nobody's fault
because it's very difficult.
Who do we help?
Where do we go?
What should I do?
So again, it's our task to give everybody,
the opportunity to help someone.
'cause everybody wants to help someone.
that's a concept or that's like
a belief system that we have.
And I think it works really
well because yeah, I think it's
just about empowerment, right?
And some people, they're very happy
to just say, okay, guys, here you go.
We give you, funds and you do with it.
Whatever you think is
good, that's perfect.
We also have people that say, I do not
have any funds, but I have two ads.
Can I help out?
Yes, you can help out as well.
Example here, downstairs, we cook meals
for the homeless every single day, right?
Every day of the year.
We need to have the ingredients here.
We need to make sure
what needs to be cooked.
Then our van arrives at 12.
People jump in the van drives
to the handout spot, right?
So it's almost like it, it is some
operational work there, right?
We need to show people,
we need to educate people.
What is going on in this city?
Why are there people homeless?
What is the slum community?
All of these different things.
So that's why I think we are different,
and that's why it works so well.
Yeah, I am gonna tie that back to
business and entrepreneurship, because
when you just described how you have
to provide all that information.
If you're not organized, then
I think even a volunteer could
be seen as a burden, right?
It's an extra person you have to track.
It's an extra person you have
to tell what to do, whatever.
But I have seen that done well.
My parents recently did some volunteer
work and I, remember they were
explaining how, I think they were
building beds as part of a church
sort of activity, but they were saying
how everything was organized, It was
you're there cutting the wood, you're
there putting it together, you're there
gluing, and if it's organized, it's
magic what can so if people do decide
that they can volunteer some time.
Or maybe they're a company and they're
trying to do more for the community
and they want to have they want to
have all their employees have the
opportunity, then they know that they're
not just gonna be thrown into something
and not know what they're doing.
It sounds like you have that all
organized so that you can tap into that.
Is that correct?
Yeah, no, that's a
hundred percent correct.
And that's also, yeah, also
one of our duties as well.
we need to make sure that, the
people, again, are empowered
to do, do good, right?
And we are the vehicle to
do, to help them with that.
So yeah, that's also our responsibility,
but it's also a responsibility
to keep people safe, And also
leverage people's knowledge, right?
we're building, for example, houses.
For families in lower income communities.
And we heavily leverage,
people, volunteers.
That's been like, architects that
been builders like, okay, guys,
if you have skills, come on board,
because, I'm not a architect.
The first house we ever built,
I drew on a napkin, right?
Because I have no idea.
But if we have, almost 3000 volunteers,
sure enough, there will be a few.
That have built many
houses in the past, right?
So now we leverage what
other people's skills are.
And people love that too because
there's a lot of people, that come to
Thailand foreigners, but also Thai,
that might not, have, had a career
somewhere and now they're retired
or they're not working anymore.
But they would love to get back
in what they were doing before.
Okay, these are the perfect people.
'cause now we leverage them into,
what they love to do as well.
And do it for someone else.
So it's, it's the winning formula.
Wow.
I had never thought of that.
Because I do know that there are protected
industries, and I assume that a home
builder in some other country coming
to Thailand might not be able to find a
job or even necessarily do that work at
all legally, even if they were right.
And so it sounds like you're
giving them an outlet.
Where they can contribute,
use their skills, and that's
incredibly rewarding, right?
being able to use the skills you haven't
been able to tap into for a while.
But I wanna, I, really wanna focus though
on the the people that you help because.
I think it's easy to think of,
okay, I'm gonna give some money to
some organization some nonprofit,
but who are you actually helping.
And so Friso I'm curious if, you
can share any recent stories that
you have of the individuals that
your organization has helped?
I.
so one of the groups we are
helping on a daily basis are the
homeless, for example, in Bangkok.
Recently we opened our, the first
ever inner city homeless shelter.
So this is a tree story building where
we have homeless come stay with us.
Not only, to have a bed, have a shower,
and have food, but also to learn
new skills, get mental support, get
family reunification, all things to
try and get them back on their feet.
So what we see with a lot of homeless
in Bangkok is that, they're not
necessarily drug addicts, alcohol addicts.
There are people that, somewhere
along the line had an issue.
I. Became homeless.
So we see quite a good success with
that because we are able to, really
get people, from being homeless, from
living on the street back into, a
normal, living situation with a job.
helping homeless on a daily basis with,
things like food, water, medicine.
But it's very unsustainable to do that.
like I said, almost 5 million
meals we handed out in five years.
today we hand out meals.
Tomorrow we gotta go back.
So really, the solution there is, okay,
how can we get people off the street.
So like teaching people how to fish
instead of giving the fish, right?
we said, okay, we need to
do something more than that.
So that's why we opened the center.
we are very happy and lucky to receive a
grant from the City Foundation for that.
So we work together with City
Foundation on this, to tackle
homelessness in Bangkok, for example.
Children, of course, as well, sending
children to schools through our
scholarship program, English programs
football with the kids, juujitsu with the
kids, which is really cool, by the way.
Anything to get the kids active
and also anything to get the kids,
into an environment where they
can learn, where they can play.
Because in lower income communities,
there's a lot of dangers.
there's a lot of drugs, there's a lot
of alcohol, there's a lot of abuse, and
we really, believe it's very important
that we can get those kids out of
those, out of those environments,
Do you have any examples of people
that you have helped that have later
on contributed, either joining your
community or helping others lift them out?
the person that, drives our van, that
brings around the food that picks up
donations is a, young man that, was
in jail for a very long time came out
of jail and wanted to change his life.
Living in the slums.
We met him, talked to him, and
he said, yeah, I've been in
jail in and out almost 18 years.
I wanna change my life.
I don't wanna do this anymore, but I
have no opportunity because obviously
with that kind of, record on your name,
nobody's going to hire me anymore.
So I said, okay, let's
come and work with us.
And he's doing amazing, incredible
human, everybody loves him.
And, he is doing fantastically well.
we met, a man up north during the
floods when we were working there to
provide aid and relief that, comes
actually from Burma fled over the
border when they were very young.
And started to work with us as well.
So we met him there.
We were working on helping others,
lifting people out of their homes, floods,
wading through the water, and it's wow.
You know what a, what an amazing, guy.
It's, if you're ready
for it, you're up for it.
Come with us to KO can
come and work with us.
And he's working with us as
well and is doing amazing.
So really, there's so many success
stories and, the romantic idea
about, doing this kind of work is
also that, are many success stories
that we might not always see, right?
When we speak with someone, when we
help someone, like what does that
generate maybe in the future, right?
It's like dropping, something
into the water and the ripple
just starts, growing and growing.
So I think every life that we can
touch, every person that we can help,
is it big or small, might have, a
huge impact in the future as well.
it's our task to give people, a push
in the right direction to make sure
you know that they have the tools.
To, find our way back.
And I think that's something we
need to do as much as we can so we
can, help as many people as we can.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
The other thing that you touched
on there was the elderly.
And as I understand there are a lot of
challenges with elderly that don't have
an income or maybe don't have a family.
Can you paint that picture a little bit
of what the challenges or what issues
the elderly are facing in Thailand and
what you do and how you can help them.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Thailand, it's in a very alarming
rate, growing towards a super great
society, That means that, there are more
elderly than people in the workforce.
In 2029 Thailand is predicted
to be, around 30% of the
population, 60, years or older.
So you become an official super great
society by then, and that means that.
the burden on the people in the
workforce, the taxpayers basically.
So it's growing and growing.
The issue, in Thailand or many places, in
Asia is that, your family is your pension.
So your children, your family takes
care of you when you're old, right?
But if you do not have children, or if
you have children, but somewhere along
the line you had an issue, you had
a fight, you stop talking, whatever.
That pension, that sort of,
that safety net is gone.
Now, the Thai government pays a
government pension of 600 Baht,
a month for every LW person.
That's 20 Baht a day.
Now that increases with
200 Baht every 10 years.
So when you're 70, it becomes 800.
When you're 80, it becomes a
thousand, but obviously 20 bar a day.
Is not enough.
What can we do with 20 about a day?
almost nothing, right?
So what we see and what's very
alarming is that more and more
elderly are getting in trouble and
actually ending up on the street.
So these are elderly that work all their
life, usually in the informal sector,
and then at the end of the lifespan
end up on the street in Thailand.
And that's something very alarming.
So these are the people you know,
we're very worried about, and
these are people that we help.
when I say, okay, we
help homeless every day.
I could also say we help elderly
every day because of those homeless.
60% are elderly, so every
day we hand out food.
We have long lines of people
waiting for food, for water.
If you look at, the, their heads the line.
60% have gray hair.
So this is very, dangerous
and very alarming.
And this is it's like a car, driving
into a brick wall because if nothing
is done, on a government, on a
policy level, this will just get,
more difficult and worse, right?
So what we try to do to countermeasure
that in, in, in the most basic way is to
provide them with, basic life necessities.
But it's also to build income
opportunities for them.
So we have, elderly come and work with us.
They're putting together paper bags.
The paper bags are sold to the
market and all the proceeds go to
the elderly that put them together.
And there's many more things that we can
do to elderly can sticker, elderly can
do qc, elderly can pick up the phone.
So there's many things that, we
try and develop for elderly to.
not have to be homeless, number
one, but also not have to
be dependent on anyone else.
elderly, if they can still
work, they should be, able
to take care of themselves.
The issue in Thailand, maybe around
the world is if you're an elderly
person who's gonna hire you.
especially if they, do not have
necessarily any, particular skill sets.
this is something like,
no, no NGO can solve this.
we can help, we can develop programs,
we can try and do our best, but
really this need to come from,
you know, the politics, you know,
they need to increase the budget.
It cannot be 600 month a month.
It's impossible.
It cannot be.
It has to go up.
Every election it's promised.
We're gonna make it 3000, we're
gonna make it 4,000 every election.
Nobody does it so very unfair.
I saw the impact of inflation
on me as a high income earner,
as a foreigner in Thailand.
And so I can only imagine for the Thias,
especially as you said, the elderly that.
I just don't have job
opportunities at all.
And just imagining that the
rice getting more expensive,
the the noodles, everything
that's hitting everyone.
But always the people in, the
lower income segment are always
the ones that are hit the hardest.
Because, inflation
doesn't stop for anyone.
yeah.
That just keeps going and going.
But the income, doesn't grow.
it doesn't go up.
minimum wage, when does that go up?
in Thailand, right?
it's just stagnant, There's
a huge imbalance here.
growing.
And it's also not me blaming the
government or anything because it's also
it's not about what other people do.
It's about what can we do, right?
What can the people at
home watching this do.
Everybody can do something, right?
So that's really okay, if we
at least start doing that.
We're already going towards, a more
progressive way of solving the problem.
If we just wait and
sit and, point fingers.
It's never gonna happen.
So I think that sort of, loops back
to, okay, if you want to help someone
else, you don't know what to do,
but you really have the urge, okay,
we are here for you to facilitate
that, let's call it like that.
I'm curious if there is
a easy issue to solve.
If there was one issue that you consider
to be simple or quick or easy, that you
think would take minimal effort or minimal
money to solve, what would that be?
I mean it's, again, it's on a policy
level, but abolish the need for Thai
children to wear uniform to go to school.
So what we meet is a lot of children
that are not going to school because
they do not have the uniform.
Now in Thailand school is free but
still, if you do not have the uniform,
you're not allowed to go into the school.
So that means there's a lot of children in
Bangkok, for example, that are missing out
on education ' cause their parents do not
have the means to buy them the uniform.
Now, very easy fix.
you ask for, a quick fix, abolish the need
of having the kids who wear a uniform.
That means that all those kids can
go to school directly tomorrow.
So I think that, is, something
that's also progressive, that's
something that, for example governor
Chadchart, the governor of Bangkok
is actually implementing also now.
There's quite a few schools that already
do not have, these rules and regulations.
And you can see that, the
amount of kids that go to school
is just increasing by that.
So that's, a fairly simple,
a simple solution to really
solve quite a big issue.
kids not going to school is
absolutely the worst that can
happen to, to any society, right?
So we have a scholarship program.
For example, the scholarship program
at Bank Community Health is to provide.
The uniform to provide the books
and to provide the insurance.
It's 4,850 bucks a year.
Now, when we talk about scholarship in
the West United States, we talk about,
big numbers, a hundred thousand dollars.
No.
In Thailand, it's literally
giving the kids the tools to be
allowed to enter into the school.
The rest is there.
The education is free, right?
Wow.
And just to do a quick conversion
for individuals that might be
more familiar with US dollars.
it sounds like that's not much
more than a hundred dollars.
$120, $130, something like that.
Correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that gives, the opportunity
for a child to go to school
for a year in Thailand.
Which is if you want to help also from
abroad and you wanna help someone else
or a child here, this is a, fantastic way
of doing it because giving the children
the right to education is obviously
the really the key to a better future.
Yeah, I'm glad you brought it up.
this speaks to unintended consequences.
The downside of that is, of course
the people with more money might spend
it on the nice new, Jordan shoes or
whatever the popular stuff are now.
So I totally get the concept in a way,
I, liked it initially, but I never
thought about the downside of it.
And it sounds like it's another
barrier for someone to have to get
over and, ironing the right uniform,
having the right belt, having the.
Different, clothes on Tuesdays
You know how it is, right?
my, my wife has to deal with this all
the time, and it's a normal thing for
us, and it's not a big deal, but I'm
just imagining if we didn't have an
ironing board, if we didn't have, all
the different sets of clothes, then
it's another reason that someone's
not getting an education at all.
And that's really sad to hear.
But it's good that for just over a hundred
dollars individuals could actually give a
can do it.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
And that's really, yeah, like I
said, it's a great way to help.
And it's, the easy or the quick fix would
be, to just not have that rule anymore.
And then with, the consequence that,
yeah, some kids might, where the the
fancy shirt and some kids might not,
but that's the balance game then, right?
Is there anything that we
didn't touch on today that you
wish we would've talked about?
I think for your viewers, if they want
to learn more, they can, look on our
website, bank of community health.org.
They can follow us, any social
media platform that, that
exists, on the planet basically.
And just see what we do.
And anybody that has an idea, anybody that
wants to help out, just reach out to us.
it's really that simple.
And become part of the, of the
movement, become part of the family
for people that love Thailand and might
travel to Thailand once in a while.
Come spend half a day with us, see
a different side of the city get, a
feeling of, what people in, for example,
slum communities face on a daily basis.
I think it's very rewarding.
This morning we had a family with
five children here from, Idaho.
United States and they said, We've been
here for two weeks and we've been through
some way, we've been to Patea and all
these places, but I can already see
that the kids have the best day today.
I love that a lot.
and it's, great because, we're working
with each other, helping others, and, I,
would really just advise anyone to, take
some time to do that together with us.
I think you will really love it.
I love the fact that family and the kids
of that family maybe enjoy that the most.
With that, I, really appreciate the
time that you've spent with me today.
I wanna thank you again and I'll
share everything in the links below
for anyone that wants to contribute.
Just remember whether or not you are
a individual that has money that you
wanna contribute, whether or not you
don't have money, but you have time.
Or if you are a business owner,
which a lot of people, I speak
with a lot of business owners here,
what better way to give back to the
community and also have employees
get to know each other better, right?
It's so important to get out, out of
the office and form those friendships
and do it with some volunteer work.
what a great opportunity
that would be as well.
So thank you again, Friso.
I really enjoyed, our conversation
Thank you so much for having me.