Duncan and Bo Come True Detective: Night Country – Part One

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The boys are back in town… Ennis, Alaska that is! Duncan and Bo return to Come Correct all over True Detective Season Four: Night Country. We have Jodie Foster, Kali Reis, John Hawkes, Fiona Shaw, and a whole pile of people to contend with. Join us, won’t you?

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Bo: We're off to the races.

Duncan: Two veterans of podcast Swinging in one

Duncan: more time to record on systems which have

Duncan: changed and are now apparently more

Duncan: complicated than they were when we were

Duncan: recording last.

Bo: Yeah, well, you know what are you gonna do.

Bo: So I am one of your host, beau, who is

Bo: afraid of technology.

Bo: With me also afraid of technology is the

Bo: inimitable Duncan McLeish.

Bo: How are you, sir?

Duncan: Who said that?

Bo: Technology.

Bo: Jesus God, satan Something in here, all of

Bo: them.

Bo: If only it were Satan.

Duncan: I would say that there's only some sort of

Duncan: fousty impact that could ever, ever bring

Duncan: back a show that has taken a year off.

Duncan: I mean, I'm left to say there's like a

Duncan: rocky montage training sequence of us like

Duncan: getting back in DBCC shape, but that just

Duncan: doesn't exist.

Bo: Right.

Bo: Like what shape is that flabby around the

Bo: middle?

Duncan: Flabby with opinions, Beau Right, right,

Duncan: right.

Bo: Like DBCC, shape is pear, you know, yeah,

Bo: yeah, but I mean, I appreciate, don't get

Bo: me wrong.

Duncan: Oh yes.

Bo: I certainly look.

Bo: One of the things that's been super nice is

Bo: is people who were like hey, you know when

Bo: the fuck is DBCC gonna be back, and it was

Bo: like this is all my fault, like I cannot

Bo: blame anyone else because I decided to go

Bo: off and like change careers yeah, fault is

Bo: not, not, not fair Like what we I like to

Bo: think.

Duncan: What we do as a podcast is we find things

Duncan: that will be fun to talk about and then we

Duncan: set up, say, some personal time to come

Duncan: down and talk about those things.

Duncan: I would say we were pretty much, even with

Duncan: our breaks in between certain TV shows.

Duncan: We have been pretty consistent for a decade.

Duncan: So, like DBCC, formed in 2014, if I'm not

Duncan: mistaken, I think we did.

Bo: Oh yeah, I'll have to go back and look, but

Bo: that sounds right.

Duncan: So we've been doing this for about 10 years.

Duncan: So there is a certain point when even

Duncan: established touring rock acts take a little

Duncan: bit of time off and then come back and hit

Duncan: the classics, and if we're ever going to

Duncan: come back to do anything, the return of

Duncan: True Detective kind of feels like our I

Duncan: don't know our black album.

Duncan: So yeah, our black album, let's just, let's

Duncan: just bring the band back.

Bo: I've I mean, that's where things start to

Bo: go off the rails.

Duncan: So they got their haircut.

Duncan: I mean, what the fuck is going on?

Bo: No, I was low technically, it was when,

Bo: like after Injustice for All, and it was

Bo: like this is one of the most rockin'ous

Bo: bands that has ever been, and then the next

Bo: time out you're getting a little and

Bo: nothing else matters.

Bo: You're like what?

Bo: What is this?

Duncan: James what we're doing here.

Duncan: He's like, I don't know, Like creating the

Duncan: highest selling metal album of all time.

Duncan: I think we are, Maybe so, but look, oh yeah,

Duncan: it's a shift.

Duncan: It's not, as it is not as big a shift as

Duncan: the load album that comes after that where

Duncan: there is literally an end to a song where

Duncan: it's like that, it ain't my ooh bitch.

Duncan: Like that is literally how he finishes off

Duncan: it ain't my ooh bitch, and you're like,

Duncan: yeah, metallica kind of sucks, yeah, I love

Duncan: it.

Bo: The book to take away is that at first, not

Bo: at first.

Bo: At first they were awesome but then they

Bo: started sucking.

Bo: They got progressively.

Duncan: They got progressively.

Duncan: My favorite thing was they released that 72

Duncan: seasons album last year and people were

Duncan: like they're back and they're really not.

Duncan: That is a long.

Duncan: The way I described it when it came out was

Duncan: if a band was trying to get signed today

Duncan: and that's what they handed into a record

Duncan: label, they would not be signed.

Duncan: So let's not pretend that it's a great

Duncan: Metallica album.

Duncan: It's really not.

Duncan: It's not a great debut album.

Duncan: So let's just like put it to the side and

Duncan: let's just be like, just go on tour, like I

Duncan: say, like DBCC, like there's a certain

Duncan: point where you're really listening in for

Duncan: the camaraderie and the hot takes.

Duncan: Then you are about as like coming up with

Duncan: some brand new format and changing the

Duncan: paradigm with podcasts.

Bo: I don't know what we're here to do.

Bo: Yeah, we stumble into that.

Duncan: Yeah, I've caught a light idea, factorable

Duncan: yeah.

Bo: Well, we have talked many times before

Bo: about the cultural cache, where we say a

Bo: thing and then it just comes to be.

Duncan: Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Duncan: I think in a lot of respects we were early

Duncan: on the Ilsa Lopez train as well, for sure,

Duncan: for sure.

Duncan: Thank you for a while.

Duncan: And I think I think I may have said on

Duncan: season three, true detective, that when

Duncan: we're talking about where this could go,

Duncan: what could happen, like I think me and you

Duncan: had a conversation where we're like, oh,

Duncan: you know the fund directors that could take

Duncan: a swing at it we never mentioned Ilsa Lopez,

Duncan: but we certainly mentioned other directors

Duncan: that were like you could take established

Duncan: directors here, like proper big named, like

Duncan: horror, or throw directors and just give

Duncan: them a season of true detective to run with.

Duncan: And apparently that's not what happened

Duncan: here but did happen here.

Duncan: Ilsa Lopez wrote a pitch for a TV series,

Duncan: like a mini series, called Night Detective

Duncan: and she brought the HBO and HBO basically

Duncan: said this is great, we love it.

Duncan: How would you feel if we changed it and,

Duncan: for marketing purposes, made it true

Duncan: detective?

Duncan: And she was like I can work with that.

Duncan: And then she went away, changed some stuff

Duncan: around, brought some synergy between the

Duncan: brands and then essentially off to the

Duncan: races from there.

Duncan: So, yeah, and a weird way, it feels like

Duncan: HBO who clearly listened to everything we

Duncan: do, took this on board and ran with it.

Duncan: So, although Night Detective does sound

Duncan: like she was kind of pitching for true

Duncan: detective, like is she taking the HBO Right?

Bo: Yeah, you take it to HBO.

Bo: And as dumb as some of the moves that Max

Bo: has made as a brand lately.

Bo: I'm sure there was somebody with enough

Bo: pretzels rubbing together that it was like

Bo: wait a second, We've got a show that's

Bo: already got Detective writing the name.

Duncan: Well, yeah, nick Pizzolato for those that

Duncan: don't know, he's heavily involved with

Duncan: seasons one through three, basically was

Duncan: the writer of all three seasons, although I

Duncan: think he co-wrote on season three signed a

Duncan: deal with I think it was Fox to develop

Duncan: like he knew something, and Matthew

Duncan: McConaughey was involved with that project

Duncan: and then ultimately left that project,

Duncan: which has kind of left him and limbo over

Duncan: there.

Duncan: And HBO owns the rights to the name True

Duncan: Detective, which is why they've moved on

Duncan: without him.

Duncan: So it's not like any sort of case of them

Duncan: deliberately ostracising or pushing them

Duncan: out.

Duncan: Pizzolato used all the cashier that he got

Duncan: from the work he'd done on True Detective

Duncan: to pitch a much better deal over with Fox

Duncan: with something else, and obviously there's

Duncan: been acquisitions with Disney and all the

Duncan: rest and sent.

Duncan: So I believe whatever he's working on now

Duncan: is stalled and we now have Elsa Lopez who

Duncan: has predominantly written the majority of

Duncan: this.

Duncan: There's some kind of co-writing credits as

Duncan: the season goes on, but she's definitely at

Duncan: the heart of the story here and she's

Duncan: directed every single episode, which is the

Duncan: format from season one where we had what

Duncan: was it?

Duncan: Carrie Fukunaka?

Duncan: I wrote, sorry, directed all the episodes.

Duncan: So we have a singular vision here, like a

Duncan: director giving you a singular vision all

Duncan: the way through, which we've mentioned

Duncan: before maybe more than once, is kind of how

Duncan: we like our True Detective.

Duncan: I kind of like that singular vision all the

Duncan: way through because in season two, for

Duncan: example, some of the it was evident or it's

Duncan: a different director directing this episode,

Duncan: because the feel just like things would

Duncan: become too action-y and too kinetic or they

Duncan: would run that kind of snail's pace.

Duncan: And this one one showrunner, one writer,

Duncan: essentially, and only six episodes.

Duncan: So this is a shorter True Detective.

Duncan: We will be through this in six.

Duncan: So I'm insanely curious, from all the

Duncan: questions that I have just from episode one,

Duncan: how the hell we're going to get through

Duncan: this with five episodes after.

Bo: Yeah, I'm excited to do this because, as we

Bo: record this, the second episode airs

Bo: tonight, so it's kind of fitting to like

Bo: all right, let's pick over this a little

Bo: bit, let's talk about it, and then tonight

Bo: will be some answers with probably more

Bo: questions.

Duncan: We'll see how far off the mark we are Like.

Duncan: I know that all I'm going to say is I don't

Duncan: know if mole people can exist in Antarctica.

Duncan: Mole people what does Alaska have?

Bo: mole people- oh, certainly Under the

Bo: permafrost.

Bo: Duncan, let's not be naive.

Duncan: The permafrost to just mole people with

Duncan: perms.

Bo: It's a mole, people, aphros, everyone knows

Bo: that, but the dreaded tundra mole.

Duncan: Or the tundra mole.

Duncan: Huh, Don't mess.

Bo: Yeah, the Australian drop bear.

Duncan: So, yeah, like, we're back True Detective,

Duncan: we've got six episodes out of these, Bo.

Duncan: It was like that Listen, I've got some time

Duncan: coming up, let's do this.

Duncan: And you've made me a very happy person

Duncan: because I have a lot of friends that watch

Duncan: a lot of TV.

Duncan: I have no friends that are as passionate

Duncan: about True Detective as I am.

Duncan: I made a snarky post online where I based

Duncan: it and said listen, the reviews for the

Duncan: season.

Duncan: For those people that have seen the entire

Duncan: season.

Duncan: You know these entities out there your

Duncan: empire magazine, et cetera are saying this

Duncan: is the best season since season one.

Duncan: However, like, don't let anyone fool you

Duncan: into believing that there is a bad season

Duncan: of True Detective.

Duncan: Like all three, those first three seasons

Duncan: are different stories.

Duncan: It's, you know, it's different styles.

Duncan: It's very, very difficult to compare them.

Duncan: Yes, as a standalone, like that first

Duncan: season is absolutely incredible.

Duncan: But what I've enjoyed is sitting back

Duncan: seeing the walking back of commentators and

Duncan: reviewers on season two, where people are

Duncan: coming back.

Duncan: I shall say we get this more now than we

Duncan: got when it came out.

Duncan: And season three, I think, is the one that

Duncan: maybe has.

Duncan: It's the one that has the most heart out of

Duncan: the three of them.

Bo: I really like season three.

Bo: I think it's quite good.

Duncan: I thought it was excellent as well.

Duncan: So I mean, I'm down to clown on this, but

Duncan: that's because we've been down to clown on

Duncan: all of them and we genuinely think all

Duncan: three are very much worth your time.

Duncan: And what I'm hoping is at the end of this

Duncan: one we are still sitting here going you

Duncan: know what.

Duncan: At times it's a bit cliche, at times it's a

Duncan: bit tongue in cheek, at times it swings for

Duncan: the fences in a way which doesn't always

Duncan: feel satisfying, but it's out there.

Duncan: It's out there doing something and I would

Duncan: much rather have TV like this than kind of

Duncan: stale by the numbers, very safe by

Duncan: committee television out there.

Duncan: Given also Lopez a lot of money to make

Duncan: something on HBO is not a bad move to me,

Duncan: even if she's having her time just now with

Duncan: the online Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB crowd

Duncan: she's not handling particularly well, but I

Duncan: also don't think that should be something

Duncan: she should worry about.

Bo: Yeah, kind of fuck them.

Bo: Yeah, that's how I.

Duncan: Literally we were talking off air.

Duncan: I saw Elsa Lopez tour with Tigers on

Duncan: Off-Rage, played at Glasgow Fright Fest.

Duncan: I spoke about it for about a year before it

Duncan: finally made its way on the shutter where I

Duncan: was just like, if there's one movie that

Duncan: you see this year, and she basically came

Duncan: out and, in the Q&A, had that kind of

Duncan: fucking match it, which I loved about her.

Duncan: I thought, like this is a woman who is just

Duncan: swinging for the fences and, regardless

Duncan: what we'll see, it still is a

Duncan: male-dominated industry and genre that

Duncan: she's working in and it's good to have a

Duncan: bit of a chip on your shoulder with that,

Duncan: because I think it makes her hustle and

Duncan: really dig her heels.

Duncan: In.

Duncan: The controversy that's come out about this

Duncan: is that she felt that there was and having

Duncan: looked at some of the IMDB reviews for this

Duncan: episode, I think she's maybe onto something

Duncan: here Some overtly negative comments about

Duncan: this first episode.

Duncan: I've seen a couple of one or two-star

Duncan: reviews which just doesn't make sense.

Duncan: Like, even if you didn't like the story,

Duncan: there's no way you can mark down the acting,

Duncan: the cinematography, the score.

Duncan: But yeah, like she's basically saying that

Duncan: there are people out there that are trying

Duncan: to sabotage this.

Duncan: She then deleted that tweet and then came

Duncan: back and she said I made the generalization

Duncan: Didn't mean that Didn't mean to say that

Duncan: everyone that loves season one is trying to

Duncan: mark down season four, but it does kind of

Duncan: feel like there's some people gunning for

Duncan: this before it even gets out the door.

Duncan: Some people say it's like one of the worst

Duncan: things.

Duncan: I've seen All that stuff.

Duncan: Well, if I'm her, I wouldn't be paying

Duncan: attention to any of that.

Duncan: I would be saying look at what the critics

Duncan: are saying and we'll see what comes back in

Duncan: terms of the viewership.

Duncan: That's ultimately how it's going to be

Duncan: judged.

Duncan: Longer term is is it doing good numbers for

Duncan: HBO Max?

Duncan: And you know well I pick it.

Duncan: I'd be surprised if this doesn't pick up

Duncan: some awards come award season, specifically

Duncan: for Jodie Foster, who we'll get into, who's

Duncan: kind of just like fucking effortlessly

Duncan: amazing.

Duncan: So, yeah, I think she's too focused on it.

Duncan: I think she's sit back and let us take the

Duncan: six episodes and yeah, she's not going to

Duncan: suffer even if this isn't a success.

Duncan: How many people get like a full six

Duncan: episodes on HBO?

Bo: Well, yeah and yeah, I mean, this does

Bo: nothing but raise her profile, and even if

Bo: she's fighting back against people online,

Bo: then you know kind of whatever, fuck them.

Bo: But yeah, I mean it still makes her more

Bo: credit.

Bo: Like you can't watch this and not feel like,

Bo: oh, this is directed.

Bo: Well, if nothing else, you know what I mean.

Bo: Like yeah, even, yeah, like you said, even

Bo: if you're not not keyed into the writing, I

Bo: mean, although there, we'll get into this,

Bo: but there is enough lynching and bullshit

Bo: in this that I'm like all right, I like I'm

Bo: down for this.

Bo: There's one scene where I was like where's

Bo: the gun light?

Duncan: Well, like when we talk about so we were

Duncan: speaking about this off here as well I've

Duncan: kind of went.

Duncan: I had I was doing a lot of travel for work,

Duncan: so I've kind of went into the weeds here.

Duncan: The Reddit weeds on on season one Sorry,

Duncan: episode one of season four and there is a

Duncan: lot of theories.

Duncan: There are so many theories flying around.

Duncan: But I kind of feel like she's playing a

Duncan: very shrewd game with the audience here,

Duncan: specifically with how much linkage there is

Duncan: and I kind of superficial capacity to

Duncan: season one.

Duncan: And let me just give you one of them right

Duncan: in the back yes, yes.

Duncan: And it is the start.

Duncan: So there's a quote right at the beginning.

Bo: I have this in my notes too, because I got

Bo: bad for it.

Bo: Go, yes, please.

Duncan: Right.

Duncan: So the quote from this one is from a

Duncan: character or a person called Hildred

Duncan: Castine, who one never said this.

Duncan: Line Two is a fictional character and three

Duncan: appears in a short story called the

Duncan: Repairer of Reputations, which is actually

Duncan: under the collection of the King in Yellow,

Duncan: which is directly referenced in season one

Duncan: when we talk about Carcosa.

Duncan: So like straight away, like the opening

Duncan: scene, I kind of feel like she's like here

Duncan: you go, right, this is what you want.

Duncan: You want that season one, you want that

Duncan: season one.

Duncan: And watch me swerve away, like straight

Duncan: away Although we're going to have some

Duncan: linking tissue in here, like that just

Duncan: feels really playful to me because she's a

Duncan: tribute and a quote to a fictional

Duncan: character who never made this quote she

Duncan: apparently she's the one that wrote the

Duncan: quote, so this is her.

Bo: And Duncan the character that the quote is

Bo: attributed to is best known as an

Bo: unreliable narrator.

Bo: A great example of that of like you can't

Bo: trust anything that this guy tells you,

Bo: which is true detective, You're right.

Duncan: Like that's the theme, Like the people talk

Duncan: about.

Duncan: What's about the cult?

Duncan: It's about, you know, it's about murder,

Duncan: it's about history.

Duncan: It's not really.

Duncan: It's actually about how people are

Duncan: notoriously unreliable witnesses to their

Duncan: own things.

Duncan: If you asked me to recall something, if you

Duncan: asked me to recall something at Ham last

Duncan: week, it's not how it happened, or even if

Duncan: it.

Duncan: Even if it is, it's my perspective on how

Duncan: it happened, which is still probably not

Duncan: how it happened.

Bo: And we'll get into, like the Fiona Shaw

Bo: stuff as well, Like that's one of those

Bo: things where I'm like.

Bo: I see what you're doing here, true

Bo: detective.

Bo: I see through you, but we'll get into this.

Bo: Hey, first let's let's do our usual thing.

Bo: Let's talk about a movie one good, one bad.

Bo: We won't take forever to do this, because I

Bo: know we.

Bo: We went long on an intro, but it's our

Bo: first show back.

Jodie Foster: So first one back, fucking calm down, back

Jodie Foster: off.

Jodie Foster: Yeah, I say.

Bo: Back off.

Duncan: I'm like, I'm like, I'm finally from

Duncan: Firestarter Back off.

Duncan: Yeah, this, this, this segment here, is

Duncan: sponsored, but it ain't my ooh bitch.

Bo: So I just every time you say that, I

Bo: deflate a little bit like it.

Bo: It kills my soul a little every time I hear

Bo: it Like oh yeah, give me, give me fire.

Duncan: Give me that which I desire.

Duncan: Yeah, Ooh.

Bo: Um.

Bo: He says yeah.

Duncan: Oh yeah.

Duncan: So I'll give you my yeah and I'll give you

Duncan: my ooh bitch A bad one.

Bo: God wait, let's not make that a bit, please.

Bo: So it's a it's a my good movie.

Duncan: It's probably one that's it's still getting

Duncan: a ton of traction here, but for not the

Duncan: reasons I will give it credibility and

Duncan: thumbs up.

Duncan: Um, I caught salt burn this week.

Duncan: Yeah, a lot of people talking about it, a

Duncan: lot of people really really loving that, a

Duncan: lot of people, apparently, who have never

Duncan: seen the talented Mr Ripley, and that's

Duncan: fine, because that's literally all I was

Duncan: thinking all the way through.

Duncan: This is like oh, I see where this is going,

Duncan: I see where this was going.

Duncan: So a couple of those swift doctrines that,

Duncan: you know, shocked audiences Never really

Duncan: necessarily shocked me, but I loved it for

Duncan: how ballsy and ostentatious it was.

Duncan: It really is a kind of very brash, loud,

Duncan: bold movie.

Duncan: There's one particular scene that obviously

Duncan: has had the internet like a gas that I

Duncan: can't believe that they went there.

Duncan: And I'm either like so desensitized to

Duncan: things through watching horror movies and,

Duncan: I'll be honest, porn, um, that maybe it

Duncan: didn't shock me as much as the rest of the

Duncan: world.

Duncan: Or there's people just I don't know,

Duncan: jumping in on the kind of, oh, I can't

Duncan: believe they went there bandwagon and it's

Duncan: got great performances.

Duncan: It's a great thriller movie, flies through

Duncan: at pace.

Duncan: Um, I don't necessarily think.

Duncan: Like I said before, I think if you've seen

Duncan: something like the talented Mr Ripley, it

Duncan: is.

Duncan: It's very, very, very close, Um, but it's

Duncan: kind of fun.

Duncan: It's darkly comic and, yeah, I certainly

Duncan: enjoyed it.

Duncan: I thought it was a really, really, really,

Duncan: really well put together, really well acted

Duncan: film, um.

Duncan: So, yeah, I like that.

Duncan: That's my good this week.

Duncan: What about yourself?

Duncan: What's your good bow?

Bo: Uh, just a quick shot.

Bo: I was looking up salt burners who were

Bo: talking about it, written and directed by

Bo: Emerald Fennel, who of course did pretty

Bo: young, uh, pretty young woman, is that?

Bo: Right, yeah.

Duncan: Pretty young woman.

Duncan: Yes, you have that title right Right.

Duncan: Yes.

Bo: Okay, promising young woman.

Bo: Not promising young woman, pretty young

Bo: woman is the prequel to pretty woman.

Duncan: That's right.

Duncan: Which, by the way, did you know there was?

Duncan: I didn't know this until recently.

Duncan: This is like.

Duncan: Don't ask me how I ended up in the deep

Duncan: dive on this one.

Duncan: That, like originally when, when Pretty

Duncan: Woman was pitched as a movie and the

Duncan: premise started going forward with it, with

Duncan: Julia Roberts and Richard Geir involved

Duncan: with it, it was actually called 3000.

Duncan: Did you know this story?

Bo: Uh, this sounds familiar, but keep going.

Duncan: Right.

Duncan: So it was called 3000, because that's how

Duncan: much money he's going to give her.

Bo: Right right.

Duncan: Right and it's nowhere near as kind of warm

Duncan: and fuzzy as it is, and actually at the end

Duncan: of the movie he kicks her out the limo,

Duncan: basically tells her to fuck off, and then

Duncan: the director left the project and then it

Duncan: was bought by, essentially, disney and they

Duncan: brought new people in and then that all

Duncan: changed and all of a sudden Julia Roberts

Duncan: becomes like a Disney princess at the end

Duncan: of that movie, which I completely 180.

Duncan: So, um, yeah, I don't know if I would have

Duncan: wanted to see the darker version of it now

Duncan: or if I'm kind of happy with where they

Duncan: ended up, but I'm just now things turn.

Duncan: But, yes, then it's like, like I say, if

Duncan: you're not seeing salt burn, I would

Duncan: recommend.

Duncan: I think they have a great time with it.

Duncan: I don't think like myself, you're going to

Duncan: come out of this going well, you know what.

Duncan: This is how you make a goddamn.

Duncan: You're going to come out of it being like I

Duncan: like what they've done.

Duncan: It feels like a modernizing about this.

Duncan: The talent in Mr Ripley is the one that I

Duncan: go back to because the stories are very

Duncan: similar.

Duncan: Um, but yeah, it's good.

Duncan: It's good.

Duncan: You should check out.

Duncan: It should win awards.

Duncan: It is one of the awards.

Duncan: That's a good thing.

Bo: Speaking of winning awards, my good for

Bo: this year week is the Holdovers, which is a

Bo: great fucking movie Just being released

Bo: over here, so we're hoping to see it next

Bo: week, purely because someone said Paul Gia

Bo: Mattis in it and I'm like that sold.

Bo: It's yeah, so I'll spoil the movie for you,

Bo: so you don't have to worry about seeing it.

Bo: Thank you.

Duncan: So it saves me a journey, yeah no worries,

Duncan: uh, no, it's.

Bo: Look, it's Paul Gia Mattis being fantastic.

Bo: It is Alexander Payne, uh, in prime form

Bo: here.

Bo: Uh, he's one of those directors.

Bo: I talked about this somewhere else.

Bo: Um, that, even his failures, like

Bo: downsizing, I think, is a real mess of a

Bo: movie but it's a really interesting mess of

Bo: a movie.

Bo: Yeah, and likewise, I think that you know

Bo: his take on.

Bo: Hey, I'm going to do a 70s style.

Bo: You know, kind of comfortable drama.

Bo: You know something in the vein of a like

Bo: Serpico.

Bo: Like, I mean, it's not as dramatic as

Bo: Serpico.

Bo: Yeah, it's so low stakes.

Bo: That's the thing I really love about it is

Bo: it's a movie where nobody's saving the

Bo: world or has to stop a thing from blowing

Bo: up or anything, and at the end of the movie

Bo: everybody's only slightly better than they

Bo: started.

Bo: You know, like, but realistic then, is that

Bo: what you're saying?

Bo: Yeah, but you know, but in a really

Bo: wonderful way, like.

Bo: There's a moment when I was watching the

Bo: movie this is the only spoiler I will, I

Bo: will give there's a moment when I was

Bo: watching the movie where I was like God

Bo: damn, the only thing this movie is missing

Bo: is a cat Steven song.

Bo: Sure enough.

Bo: Next needle drop is a cat Steven song, and

Bo: I was like, of course, this is the movie

Bo: that does this.

Bo: It was in my brain.

Bo: No, is he living there?

Bo: Yeah, it's, but that's what it is.

Bo: It is like it's like watching Harold and

Bo: Maude or something like that, where it's

Bo: just like the, the look of the movie, the

Bo: fact that it's shot in winter around

Bo: Christmas and it has this very, very

Bo: Christmassy kind of vibe to it and the

Bo: performances are amazing and Gia Moddi is

Bo: wonderful and funny and human and all of

Bo: those things Like there's a reason he's

Bo: winning awards for the role, yeah, and he's

Bo: very funny at times.

Bo: It's just a terrific movie.

Bo: Like.

Bo: Everything about the movie is really good

Bo: and it's one of those movies that I like.

Bo: When you come away from it you're not going

Bo: to be like that's the best movie I've ever

Bo: seen in my goddamn life.

Bo: But the more you think about them or you're

Bo: like, yeah, I'd like to watch that again,

Bo: it just gives you a good feeling when

Bo: you're watching.

Bo: It feels like you're watching an old, good

Bo: movie for the first time.

Bo: You know it's a really there's a nostalgia

Bo: play as far as that era of films, I think.

Bo: But it works because it's good enough to

Bo: like remind you of the 70s era of like

Bo: character dramas when it was like oh yeah,

Bo: kramer versus Kramer.

Bo: I mean that's more 80s, but still like

Bo: that's a great fucking movie and that's

Bo: just about two people getting divorced.

Bo: You know that like the backdrop to a

Bo: character these days was the whole movie

Bo: that you know like we'll get into it, but

Bo: like Night Country has some of that too,

Bo: where it's like, oh yeah, here's all this

Bo: stuff about divorces and who knows who and

Bo: stuff like that.

Bo: Like that would be the whole goddamn movie

Bo: if it were the holdovers.

Bo: Like that's anyway terrific.

Bo: Anyway, give me a bad movie.

Bo: Now I'm I'm busy with the highs of Paul

Bo: Giamatti.

Duncan: So I finally finished it.

Duncan: I had started it before and I switched off

Duncan: and I'm in the process of kind of

Duncan: formalizing and releasing my top 20 of last

Duncan: year.

Duncan: So I'm kind of at the stage where I'm

Duncan: watching things, that I know I start a very

Duncan: rarely switch a movie off.

Duncan: But this was when I switched off and I was

Duncan: like I'm just going to confirm even though

Duncan: I know the Internet is, I'm going to

Duncan: confirm that I actually didn't like it.

Duncan: There was nothing really redeemable about

Duncan: it.

Duncan: So I finished that new Exorcist movie and

Duncan: I'd got I'd got about 40 minutes into it

Duncan: and switched off.

Duncan: I couldn't, I could not go back to last

Duncan: year at all.

Duncan: In fact I wouldn't go back to last year.

Duncan: So I have this time, went through it and I

Duncan: like even less than I did then.

Duncan: That's just I don't know how.

Duncan: Well, I think there's two things, two

Duncan: things for comment.

Duncan: I think the first thing for me is I think

Duncan: we should just give up doing anything as a

Duncan: sequel to Exorcist.

Duncan: I just think it's a full end Like part

Duncan: three isn't really like part three isn't

Duncan: what even William Peter Blatty wanted to do.

Duncan: It's essentially what the studio forced

Duncan: them to do and actually all the stuff that

Duncan: really works in that movie is the stuff

Duncan: that Blatty actually wanted to do and not

Duncan: the ending which they tag into that movie.

Duncan: You know, the, the Blatty cut of that movie,

Duncan: is basically just a police investigation.

Duncan: It's not the, it's not the Exorcist stuff

Duncan: or all the other things that go with it.

Duncan: I think it's because he understood that he

Duncan: kind of done that Like he's like well, I've

Duncan: done that, this is the best version, it's

Duncan: never going to be no need to do that again

Duncan: and everyone else is trying to do that

Duncan: again.

Duncan: And it's like a surprising miscalculation

Duncan: by Blumhouse.

Duncan: What he's surprising miscalculation.

Duncan: Even the Halloween stuff which did

Duncan: generally I'm not very good, but the the

Duncan: fact he spent was at 400 million acquiring

Duncan: the rights to that today and say we're

Duncan: going to do a trilogy, which why?

Bo: They got hit with that Halloween shit.

Bo: Yeah, and first of all, the Exorcist is not

Bo: Halloween.

Bo: No, it's much more complicated, kind of

Bo: kind of when you're like hey, not only are

Bo: we going to do a sequel, we have the sheer

Bo: fucking balls, the fucking balls to be like

Bo: yeah, we're going to do three of these.

Duncan: And David Gordon greens just going to do

Duncan: the same thing.

Duncan: They did Halloween.

Duncan: You know what Everyone's along for the ride.

Bo: Right and you're like what the fuck?

Bo: And he's gone now, like he walked off this

Bo: or not walked off, but he, he left the

Bo: sequel.

Bo: So I don't know if he's left or, and I

Bo: haven't seen.

Bo: This I can't like.

Duncan: I was like I heard this shit.

Duncan: It is all affably bad, like like see, you

Duncan: know, like I, maybe we talk about movies

Duncan: that have exorcisms in them.

Duncan: The one that was that always comes to mind

Duncan: is I can't.

Duncan: The one that was set in New York with the

Duncan: dude was with Eric Banner.

Bo: Yeah, is that delivers from evil?

Duncan: Deliver from evil.

Duncan: That's what I think is what's in my head

Duncan: and I remember me and you talking about

Duncan: that moving go that like as soon as we get

Duncan: to the extra stuff, we're just like what

Duncan: the fuck are we doing here?

Duncan: It's like low rent, horrible knockoff

Duncan: exorcist stuff.

Duncan: This, this movie, when it comes to the

Duncan: exercise and stuff, makes that movie look

Duncan: like the exorcist is just awful, Like

Duncan: absolutely just across the board.

Duncan: I'll thought I'll execute it badly.

Duncan: Time ends in a way.

Duncan: This is the other thing.

Duncan: It ends in a way Because I was curious once

Duncan: again because there's a trilogy.

Duncan: So I'll see why I want to see the end of

Duncan: the movie.

Duncan: I'll see how they're going to set this up,

Duncan: because I never want to see another one of

Duncan: these.

Duncan: We'll see how it sets up for another two.

Duncan: And it doesn't.

Duncan: Actually it wraps everything up in a kind

Duncan: of neat bow that I was kind of confused as

Duncan: to.

Duncan: Why would even if that was the script that

Duncan: was put forward why would even be planning

Duncan: to more out there unless we just spent 400

Duncan: million acquiring the rights?

Duncan: We need three movies to make that back.

Duncan: Yeah, I like to see.

Duncan: If I was David Gordon Green, I would want

Duncan: to walk away from that.

Duncan: But I also kind of think that David Gordon

Duncan: Green is really really really good at that

Duncan: TV stuff.

Duncan: I don't think he's really all that good at

Duncan: the horror stuff.

Duncan: Now I think that there has been sizable

Duncan: diminished returns, even revisiting that

Duncan: Halloween movie from 2018.

Duncan: I've went back a few to.

Duncan: I actually like it less going back when I'm

Duncan: like, hmm, that choice there.

Duncan: I don't think that thing holds together.

Duncan: Actually, I think that's not very smart and

Duncan: whereas the first time I watched it I came

Duncan: out going that, yeah, this is how you do a

Duncan: sequel to that first movie and modernize it.

Duncan: So yeah, it's terrible.

Duncan: It's really really really, really, really

Duncan: bad.

Duncan: There was, there were whole sections where

Duncan: I was kind of kind of dumbfounded watching

Duncan: it because I couldn't understand how the

Duncan: studio like that, the studio let this come

Duncan: out.

Duncan: There's parts where I'm like you're a

Duncan: horror studio and there has to be some

Duncan: level of quality control there Although

Duncan: I've seen might swim this year and that

Duncan: might prove to be the quality controls.

Bo: I listened to your review of it, which was,

Bo: I felt, very even handed.

Bo: You were not.

Duncan: I didn't want to completely bash it, but at

Duncan: the same time, the longer I've been away

Duncan: from that movie, the more I'm just like

Duncan: that.

Duncan: This movie falls apart really, really,

Duncan: really quick when you realize that the

Duncan: premise is there's a haunted pool, sure

Duncan: yeah.

Bo: Not the best, not the best.

Duncan: The bit that got me is we've been talking

Duncan: about it I said the cinema and we're like

Duncan: that.

Duncan: There's a plot device in this which

Duncan: mentions that the previous family that

Duncan: owned the house lived in it for several

Duncan: years and never used the pool.

Duncan: How that would come up in disclosure for

Duncan: buying a property, I don't know, but they

Duncan: never used the pool and the pool is like

Duncan: pretty much the back garden and me, as

Duncan: we're talking about, saying what that you

Duncan: would just fill the pool, wouldn't you, and

Duncan: just build something over it.

Duncan: And he was like, yeah, yeah, that's what I

Duncan: would do.

Duncan: And I'd be like, yeah, that would be the

Duncan: movie over, wouldn't it?

Duncan: Kinda.

Bo: And or you use the pool you would have.

Bo: You never would have, just not ever use it,

Bo: because after two years you've been like

Bo: you know what?

Bo: I've never, never been in this pool ever.

Bo: I'm going to do it Look.

Bo: I had, yeah, I had, you know, I had some

Bo: pretty good Sateva and a couple of drinks,

Bo: I'm going to just cannonball.

Duncan: Yeah, I just I could not.

Duncan: I think it's not fair because Blumhouse put

Duncan: out Megan last year, a movie that I really

Duncan: enjoyed.

Duncan: So there obviously is a wide tent.

Duncan: But you would think you can forgive a movie

Duncan: like Night Swim, which cost not a lot of

Duncan: money, to make mistakes like that.

Duncan: But this is a movie which cost a lot of

Duncan: money.

Duncan: There's a lot behind this one and I just

Duncan: kind of feel that someone should have sat

Duncan: down there and went.

Duncan: This is the direction we're taking.

Duncan: I don't know, you see, what I mean.

Duncan: All I'm going to say is it's not just one

Duncan: possessed child, it's two.

Bo: They're odd stunkin'.

Duncan: It's not just priests that come to do the

Duncan: exercise.

Duncan: At the end they get holy men from all

Duncan: religion Like it's like fucking Captain

Duncan: Planet, right.

Bo: Yeah, that's what I've heard.

Duncan: I was like that's like a guy going Buddha

Duncan: like.

Bo: I bring Buddha power, but do you mean him

Bo: with his sense of one?

Duncan: Yeah, main blowing with that.

Bo: So, yeah, as soon as I heard that, I was

Bo: like I, that misses the entire point of the

Bo: exercise, like I'm not Catholic, but the

Bo: trappings of Catholicism are really

Bo: important to that story.

Duncan: Plus, like the exorcism is.

Duncan: There's a reason.

Duncan: There is a reason that William Peter

Duncan: Blatley himself no, sorry, william Friedkin

Duncan: himself said look at it as a horror movie.

Duncan: It's a family drama.

Duncan: Because, guess what?

Duncan: It's a family drama.

Duncan: It really is.

Duncan: When you look at it as a family drama, it

Duncan: just happens to be the scariest family

Duncan: drama ever made, whereas this is.

Duncan: This is someone attempting to make a horror

Duncan: movie and just kind of showing all the

Duncan: trappings of how not to make a horror movie

Duncan: on a big budget.

Duncan: So yeah, that was my, but I'm curious and

Duncan: you're back, because you always bring, you

Duncan: always bring the goods here, some fucking

Duncan: low rent fricking found footage like asylum.

Bo: I have.

Bo: I genuinely have not had time to watch the.

Bo: The amount of shit.

Bo: I normally like my honestly.

Bo: My viewing has been surprisingly quality,

Bo: like the last few movies I've seen are.

Bo: Like you know, I watched once again and I

Bo: watched air and Barbie and like like I

Bo: watched across the spider verse, like I

Bo: watched a lot of really good movies, so let

Bo: me talk about it.

Bo: This isn't entirely bad.

Bo: Okay, look who doesn't like to shit on

Bo: anything I like it, you like it, everybody

Bo: likes it.

Bo: This is not a I'm shitting on this thing.

Bo: I'm saying I'm mildly disappointed in this

Bo: thing, but I still might be an even bigger

Bo: slate than saying I hate it.

Duncan: It's not that I hate it, I'm just mildly

Duncan: disappointed in it.

Bo: So it is right.

Bo: I wish it was better, but so I'm talking,

Bo: of course, about a reach or season two.

Duncan: I've not watched any of this yet.

Bo: Okay, look, so let's let's let's talk

Bo: briefly about reach or season one, but only

Bo: only briefly.

Bo: And reach or season one is a great example

Bo: of a television action series and there are

Bo: some great moments in it.

Bo: Did you finally get around to watching

Bo: House of Usher?

Duncan: I have not watched House of Usher yet Okay.

Bo: Well, the, the actress who plays the young

Bo: Madeline Usher, the young Mary McDonald,

Bo: essentially, who plays of her in Flanagan's

Bo: House of Usher, is like the romantic

Bo: interest in reach or season one and it's

Bo: got some good characters and it's all about

Bo: this dude who's just a fucking behemoth.

Bo: I've seen that.

Bo: I've seen the Tom Cruise movies right,

Bo: which I know.

Duncan: At the time the issue was Tom Cruise is not

Duncan: Jack Reacher from the novels but at the

Duncan: same time, werner Herzog is the villain in

Duncan: the first Jack, like the first Jack Reacher

Duncan: movie, and that will always like you have

Duncan: me if he's a villain in a movie, if he's in

Duncan: a movie, but he's like a Siberian missing

Duncan: fingers no, I fucking bond villain.

Duncan: I'm like, yes, this is the biggest thing

Duncan: I've ever seen.

Duncan: But yeah, they're not.

Duncan: They're not.

Duncan: They're Tom Cruise movies and I've heard

Duncan: that the yeah, your Scientology is she

Duncan: imagine them on set.

Duncan: That's the thing that I couldn't get my

Duncan: head around.

Duncan: There's like that Werner Herzog is not

Duncan: backwards, that coming forwards with his

Duncan: opinions and he's on set with Tom Cruise

Duncan: like Mr Scientology If Scientology was a

Duncan: person, is now Tom Cruise.

Duncan: And I'm just assuming they were kept.

Duncan: Well, they're not.

Duncan: They don't share many scenes, so I imagine

Duncan: they were kept apart a lot.

Duncan: But what I'd always heard was from fans of

Duncan: the novels was actually none of them and

Duncan: it's.

Duncan: You know, these are Tom Cruise like action

Duncan: movies.

Duncan: They're not Jack Reacher adaptations and

Duncan: what I'd heard about season one was

Duncan: actually they're more in line with the

Duncan: novels than the movies were, so put them to

Duncan: the side.

Duncan: That's why he's like 63 and belt like the

Duncan: side of a fucking brecce house.

Bo: Yeah, and that's one of the things that's

Bo: really fun about any and he's a good

Bo: character.

Bo: He's like very, no nonsense, it's very.

Bo: This is right, this is wrong.

Bo: I'm always going to do the right thing.

Bo: His whole gig is that he like was in the

Bo: military for a long time and left and now

Bo: just wanders the fucking earth like Quan

Bo: Chiang Kain, getting into adventures, like

Bo: he doesn't have an address, he doesn't keep

Bo: close, like when he's done with his clothes

Bo: he goes into a store and buys new clothes

Bo: and throws the rest away and like that's it.

Bo: That's just he's only possession as a

Bo: toothbrush.

Bo: That is it, you know.

Bo: But and then he goes and gets into

Bo: adventures and it's fun.

Bo: So, getting to season two, season one,

Bo: setting like this little rural town where

Bo: Jack Reacher is this fish out of water it

Bo: was just showing up to watch a blue sky

Bo: that he'd heard about one time because he's

Bo: got a bus pass where he goes all over the

Bo: country and never you know, never stays in

Bo: one place for too long, etc.

Bo: Etc.

Bo: And it was fun, it was a good time, and so

Bo: season two has gotten into like well,

Bo: here's some, some people from his past,

Bo: like people that he was in an investigative

Bo: unit with in the military, and they're

Bo: embroiled in some shit.

Bo: So it's become much more of an ensemble

Bo: story, which is fine, but there that means

Bo: there's less of Jack Reacher saying some

Bo: cold shit to a dude and shooting him in the

Bo: face, and that's what I'm there, yeah.

Duncan: It's a danger of bringing in, like

Duncan: expanding things out as you do lose, and

Duncan: I'm so.

Duncan: I've said it many times yeah, my biggest

Duncan: gripe with the Child's Play movies were not

Duncan: that they got dumb or they were always kind

Duncan: of fucking dumb.

Duncan: It's just now, all of a sudden, I have

Duncan: Jennifer Tilley as a doll and then we have

Duncan: the fucking David Bowie son as a doll, and

Duncan: I get to say it when I'm like I like why is

Duncan: Chuck Eiland on screen for a little bit

Duncan: doing a one line, and then we're following

Duncan: other people like getting it and mischief

Duncan: and killing people.

Duncan: The reason you're going to check out a

Duncan: Child's Play movie is to see Chuck Eiland

Duncan: and like, if you have a TV show which is

Duncan: predicated on, well, there's a reason like

Duncan: season four of all this told we didn't have

Duncan: like a corgi like solving crimes on the

Duncan: side.

Duncan: You know, like you don't have that.

Duncan: You don't need it either.

Bo: So yeah, it's, it's fine.

Bo: There's still plenty of fun stuff, and

Bo: Robert Patrick is in it.

Bo: And there were a couple of line deliveries.

Bo: Yeah, where I'm like, oh, that's like when

Bo: he did the movie.

Bo: He sounds a whole lot like that.

Bo: So anyway, did you ever check out?

Duncan: You probably did, because you watch a lot

Duncan: more Well.

Duncan: You just in general are more skilled than I

Duncan: am.

Duncan: Did you watch poker face?

Bo: Yeah, oh yeah, it was great.

Duncan: Yeah, I watched that, because no one had

Duncan: told me like I watched it on the plane to

Duncan: Japan and no one told me it's basically

Duncan: Colombo.

Duncan: And as soon as, as soon as that penny

Duncan: dropped about the second episode for me, I

Duncan: hardcore binge that entire thing from

Duncan: fucking Dubai to Osaka, like I like, like I

Duncan: watched every single episode, yeah, and

Duncan: it's like where's my season two, which I

Duncan: don't know if we're getting, but we need a

Duncan: season two, fucking amazing.

Bo: Yeah, look at this is very true, detective

Bo: doing the pivot.

Bo: But yeah, I mean like take as long as you

Bo: need to just come back and it be as good as

Bo: season one and that's fine.

Bo: All you need is some mysteries and Natasha

Bo: Leon she her, her.

Duncan: Peter Falk is fucking amazing, like it's so

Duncan: good man.

Bo: You know, there's one other thing that I've

Bo: been just I kind of love.

Duncan: I kind of love.

Duncan: What I love about them is there's always

Duncan: the elaborate setup at the beginning and

Duncan: then you find that she's been there for a

Duncan: week or something and she's like but I love

Duncan: the bit where, like she's, you know, she's

Duncan: just about ready to go, and then someone

Duncan: lies and she's like, fuck, like, just like

Duncan: you can see, I just got off.

Duncan: You know, I was almost out the door and

Duncan: fuck.

Bo: And like the shitty dog she had was

Bo: terrific and like, yeah, there's just like

Bo: it's a wonderful shit.

Bo: So, all right, let's take a quick break

Bo: here, yes, and then when we come back,

Bo: let's get into it.

Bo: Duncan, let's talk some true detective and

Bo: welcome back as we get into season four,

Bo: episode one of true detective.

Bo: This is, of course, written and directed by

Bo: Issa Lopez as part of her good work on this

Bo: show.

Bo: Was there a show title?

Bo: Did I miss it?

Duncan: This is night country.

Duncan: The right.

Bo: True detective night country.

Duncan: I don't know what the name of this episode

Duncan: is.

Bo: if you're asking, so hold on, let's see.

Duncan: You'll find out.

Duncan: This is what people expect from us both

Duncan: prepared.

Bo: It's hard hitting, but like you already

Bo: stole my bit about the oh, there's so much

Bo: more Like there's so much more, so don't

Bo: worry, we are having no shortage of stuff

Bo: here.

Duncan: Well, within the first five minutes here we

Duncan: have connections to Edgar Allen Poe, jules

Duncan: Verne, like fucking, like the shit goes

Duncan: weird.

Duncan: Quick ball.

Bo: Yeah, so it just says part one.

Bo: Well, that was all I.

Bo: That was a worthwhile search, anyway.

Bo: So it opens with a quote that goes for we

Bo: do not know what beasts the night dreams

Bo: when its hours grow too long for even God

Bo: to be awake.

Bo: And this, as you pointed out, is attributed

Bo: to this character from, you know, a book

Bo: about the yellow king.

Bo: So we're into some shit, duncan.

Bo: What ends?

Duncan: Maybe it's like maybe one of the most of

Duncan: their true detective, true detective things

Duncan: the show has ever done Straight luggage,

Duncan: just the opening bit, you're like that.

Duncan: Oh right, here we go, here we go.

Bo: Well, and it's worth noting, like two and

Bo: three much less so, but season one flirted

Bo: with the supernatural, oh God, yeah, in a

Bo: big bad way, and this is just like oh yeah,

Bo: let's start from that place.

Bo: Well all the yellow king shit is she said

Bo: that she wanted an interview.

Duncan: She said that she wanted to do an inverse

Duncan: version of season one when she went back to

Duncan: the rewrite.

Duncan: So we have two female detectives looking

Duncan: into this.

Duncan: It's not in the sweaty, warm southern

Duncan: climates of America.

Duncan: If anything, it's on the exact opposite

Duncan: ends.

Duncan: We're in Alaska, completely inhospitable

Duncan: environment.

Duncan: So yeah, like like she's inverting a lot of

Duncan: this.

Duncan: But the one thing she said she wanted to do

Duncan: and this was a direct quote from her is she

Duncan: wanted to lean into the horror and

Duncan: supernatural elements which, like I think

Duncan: she like made no qualms about very, very,

Duncan: very quickly in this one.

Bo: But it's very cheeky references, to be sure.

Bo: 100%.

Duncan: And so, like we are, like we're straight

Duncan: away linking straight back to season one

Duncan: with a quote, but, like you mentioned, the

Duncan: quote is well, the quote is not attributed

Duncan: to a person who never made that quote, but

Duncan: also, at the same time, the person that

Duncan: made that quote is a notoriously unreliable

Duncan: narrator.

Duncan: So, like you take that as you will, moving

Duncan: into this season, which has a beginning

Duncan: which had my head spinning, like the

Duncan: opening scene to this is like absolutely

Duncan: fucking nuts.

Bo: Yeah, so it starts off Alaska.

Bo: Yes, we're told, 150 miles north of the

Bo: Arctic Circle.

Bo: It begins on December 17th, which is the

Bo: last, the last sunset of the year, yep, and

Bo: immediately you're like oh, they're about

Bo: to get 30 days of.

Bo: First, josh Hartnett, what's his name?

Bo: Ray Winstone.

Duncan: Is that?

Duncan: Who's in that?

Bo: We went through the main vampire on Danny

Bo: Houston.

Bo: Danny Houston, that's like look, ray

Bo: Winstone, danny Houston could be brothers,

Bo: if not.

Duncan: Yeah, all those English mob movies.

Duncan: I would like to actually see a cut of the

Duncan: departed, where Ray Winstone is actually

Duncan: played by Danny Houston as the underboss to

Duncan: get like no God 100%.

Duncan: Remember that whole scene where she's like

Duncan: that oh, please, god, he's like no God.

Duncan: And then right, creepy as fuck.

Bo: Yeah, so anyway, we watch as this native

Bo: hunter is taking aim on all these like

Bo: caribou or something, yep, and then the sun

Bo: goes down and all the animals freak out and

Bo: stampede towards him.

Bo: You know, they get spooked and it's.

Bo: It's like this really creepy scene of like,

Bo: oh, the sun has said, yeah, they all run

Bo: off the edge of a cliff to their death.

Duncan: Yeah, like, which is just like.

Duncan: Do the like?

Duncan: Part of me wanted to go and check.

Duncan: Is this normal behavior for a caribou?

Duncan: Do they become lemmings?

Duncan: I don't know what we're doing here, but

Duncan: they all, they all, they all jump off to

Duncan: their death and he seems spooked by it, and

Duncan: they all get spooked at the same time.

Duncan: Something weird happening here, and it's

Duncan: not actually indicated as to whether or not

Duncan: this event happens at the same time as the

Duncan: event happens in the station.

Duncan: So it's like a triggering point in the

Duncan: station that we're going to get to in a

Duncan: second where something happens and then we

Duncan: don't see what happens afterwards.

Duncan: If that actually happens at the same time.

Duncan: Is this?

Bo: I don't know the thing that's frustrating

Bo: about this is Because the show starts with

Bo: like hey, here's a made-up quote from an

Bo: unreliable yeah, how much of our eyes can

Bo: we trust?

Bo: Yeah, and watching this show because,

Bo: depending on who's telling the story, that

Bo: perspective could be very different.

Bo: So that's a very season.

Duncan: Three thing we had a character who was

Duncan: suffering essentially on set was

Duncan: Alzheimer's, I think is for what he had.

Duncan: So as a result, what we were seeing Was not

Duncan: like he was flashing out and his memory was

Duncan: Notoriously bad in certain sections, who he

Duncan: just couldn't remember, or his recollection

Duncan: of that kind of memento connection where he

Duncan: was actually recording himself Things are

Duncan: right and noticed himself to try and make

Duncan: sure he didn't see certain things or say

Duncan: other things.

Duncan: So we are given that as a kind of opening

Duncan: gambit to this before we turn to Ascension.

Duncan: Why are there any research stations in

Duncan: Alaska?

Duncan: Bow, after the movie, the thing it's like,

Duncan: the last thing you would want to have is

Duncan: you know where am I being sent?

Duncan: No, I've seen the thing.

Bo: Oh the thing.

Bo: Vibes in this are so heavy it's like what

Bo: be of the thing.

Duncan: Collection of video tapes at the station is

Duncan: if that's what they're like.

Duncan: If you're on a boat, you want to watch

Duncan: Titanic.

Duncan: You know, I mean, why is that in this?

Duncan: You know what we'll do, guys.

Duncan: We'll just sit around in our isolated

Duncan: station and watch the thing together.

Duncan: I'm sure that'll bring us together as a

Duncan: close-knit group.

Bo: And we're gonna do a tracking, shot down a

Bo: hallway and see everybody doing their shit

Bo: and like it's it's a Lopez, just like you

Bo: want a little the thing.

Bo: Here is a shot from the thing.

Duncan: Yeah, she that her three biggest influences

Duncan: from a horror perspective on the making of

Duncan: this season are John Carpenter's thing,

Duncan: stanley Kubrick's the shining and Ridley

Duncan: Scott's alien, or our three biggest

Duncan: influences.

Duncan: And I'm like that, like from this just just

Duncan: the premise, just the little the shot was

Duncan: like oh, okay, so tracking, shot right in,

Duncan: very Kubrick in, it's all out there.

Duncan: It's all very weird and what you see.

Duncan: You get to introduce all the characters,

Duncan: but but what details on this one.

Duncan: So the name of the station is the Yep Salal

Duncan: right, so Salal apparently once again,

Duncan: according to the Reddit users, a direct

Duncan: reference.

Duncan: This is like a fucking full-on direct

Duncan: reference to Edgar Allan Poe.

Duncan: So apparently has and I've not read a lot

Duncan: of Poe, but his only long-form novel is

Duncan: called Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket,

Duncan: mm-hmm, okay, right.

Duncan: And at the end of that book he ends up and

Duncan: out on these Antarctic islands, a group of

Duncan: islands which are called Salal and which

Duncan: are apparently inhabited by cannibals, so

Duncan: indigenous cannibals, salal right, which

Duncan: was apparently then taken and Then adapted

Duncan: into a further novel which Jules Verne then

Duncan: put out and a full story about this right.

Duncan: So Salal, so it comes directly from there.

Duncan: So this is a full-on Edgar Allan Poe,

Duncan: fucking full-on Kind of weird love

Duncan: Lovecraftian reference, right from like

Duncan: she's hitting you with a one-two punch,

Duncan: she's giving you the king and yellow and

Duncan: then she's giving you the fucking Poe name

Duncan: right out there.

Duncan: So yes, straight away.

Duncan: So you've got to think deliberately named.

Bo: Yeah, so I was unfamiliar about this all

Bo: stuff.

Bo: I mean, it seemed like it meant something

Bo: because it's such a weird Word well,

Bo: there's apparently the.

Duncan: So the Jules Verne novel is called an

Duncan: Antarctic mystery and it partially takes

Duncan: place on the island named to sell, or Salal,

Duncan: or to now, where indigenous people attack

Duncan: white colonists and the to sell.

Duncan: People are seemingly killed off by disease

Duncan: before an earthquake destroys the island.

Bo: Okay, all right.

Bo: So at this research station Duncan, like

Bo: like we talked about, people are like nuke

Bo: in their food Watching Ferris Bueller's day

Bo: off, specifically the twist and shout scene.

Duncan: Yeah, which just made me want to watch

Duncan: Ferris Bueller's day off.

Duncan: Like I've not seen that movie in about a

Duncan: decade and I saw that series.

Duncan: Like that, is it time to watch Ferris

Duncan: Bueller?

Bo: Probably it's never a bad time Like the.

Bo: The scene where they go to the museum is

Bo: Secretly the best scene of the movie.

Bo: Yeah, but anyway.

Bo: So you know.

Bo: There's a dude Doing laundry and then we

Bo: cut to a guy like making a sandwich and

Bo: practicing his Spanish or something.

Duncan: I think he's doing a tech talk or he's

Duncan: doing like a Like an influencer video is

Duncan: what right he's filming himself, making

Duncan: this, which I imagine is ultimately going

Duncan: to come into play Somewhere down the line,

Duncan: where we see If it was, if it was broadcast

Duncan: and it wasn't just purely filmed.

Duncan: I imagine we're gonna see footage of the

Duncan: broadcast and what happens in the media

Duncan: after effect, because there's no cameras

Duncan: around which, because the person that we're

Duncan: about to talk about is right behind them in

Duncan: the shots, you would imagine his phone

Duncan: camera would cover it.

Bo: Right, and and this guy behind him just

Bo: gets the shivery, shakes, yeah, shivery,

Bo: and then stops, and then he turns around

Bo: and says she's awake and Then the lights go

Bo: out.

Bo: Yeah, and so then we cut Duncan to December

Bo: 20th, three days later.

Bo: Yeah, and it's a guy coming to make

Bo: Delivery, like food deliveries up to this

Bo: research station, and nobody's home.

Duncan: No, literally no one is home.

Duncan: This is very Mary Celeste, like when they

Duncan: go on here like the food still out, you

Duncan: know, the treadmills still as posse setting,

Duncan: like there's all indications that people

Duncan: were there just a couple of seconds ago.

Bo: Dude, let me tell you how much I've loved a

Bo: story like that, like Mary Celeste the

Bo: Roanoke story all of that stuff Any time.

Bo: It's like we don't know where they went.

Bo: Yeah, there were a bunch of people and then

Bo: something happened and yeah, like the, the

Bo: bowl of soup was still on the table.

Bo: Yeah spoon in it and I.

Duncan: The mystery.

Duncan: That's like me, that's like it engages you

Duncan: straight away, as I want to know what

Duncan: happened here 100%.

Bo: So I'm on board for that reason, if no

Bo: other.

Bo: And but this guy makes the mistake of

Bo: saying, hey, funions, and it's like.

Bo: Well, like, don't come with your trash

Bo: snacks.

Bo: If you're looking for help here, you know,

Bo: give me something.

Bo: I got some cheddar and caramel popcorn,

Bo: like the big bad kind.

Bo: It's really good.

Bo: And there's a lot more Caramel popcorn Then

Bo: in the usual mix, because sometimes it's

Bo: like four cheddar to one caramel.

Bo: That's just not enough.

Duncan: I just opened it.

Duncan: Don't like this idea.

Duncan: This guy's showing up and like half the

Duncan: food delivery is gone because you know he

Duncan: was never sleep well driving.

Bo: I had a drive over now.

Bo: I'm not a great now driver and I'm a

Bo: nervous eater.

Bo: Okay, getting into the cans of the Denty

Bo: more stew was rough, but I got a electric

Bo: can opener here, plugs right into the dash

Bo: and the cigarette lighter.

Duncan: Why wouldn't?

Duncan: You have that if you were a long-haul

Duncan: driver.

Bo: All I gotta do is put the can on top of the

Bo: cigarette lighter for a minute, heats it up,

Bo: just like mom used to make.

Duncan: He's doing this entire monologue while he's

Duncan: walking along trying to find people.

Duncan: Not only is that never seen, he's a nervous

Duncan: talker, and nervous monologuer.

Bo: That's why I could use some help and also a

Bo: toilet, because this dirty more be of

Bo: sewers really doing a number on me.

Bo: It's really moving right through me.

Bo: I think it's all the sodium.

Duncan: He gets to the main kind of rec area and

Duncan: he's just standing there and then all of a

Duncan: sudden he's kind of like, oh, bar fingers,

Duncan: drops his keys or something, and then ends

Duncan: up looking under the table and there's a

Duncan: fucking human tongue right.

Bo: Yeah, that's the point where he's like a

Bo: better call somebody.

Bo: Hey, please, this is Darrell.

Bo: Listen, it started off when I started

Bo: eating the popcorn on the way up here.

Duncan: Please show up.

Duncan: He's at the tongue because he's a nervous

Duncan: eater.

Bo: Oh yeah, they haven't done something well,

Bo: this is definitely a maid woman, cuz she

Bo: looked.

Bo: No, no, no, no, it was just Darrell.

Duncan: I realized, didn't like the taste of it.

Duncan: He's a nervous eater, yeah, so, yeah, so,

Duncan: like there's no one in the, we've jumped

Duncan: forward three days.

Duncan: Well, obviously they parse out that they've

Duncan: clearly been gone for three days or

Duncan: something's happened in the immediate

Duncan: that's led to them fucking disappear.

Duncan: But, yeah, everyone's gone and all there is

Duncan: is what appears to be a human tongue and

Duncan: and that's a.

Duncan: That's our setup and, but that's true,

Duncan: detective.

Duncan: Still, that's not really.

Duncan: That's a mystery, but we always have to

Duncan: have the thing that happened in the past as

Duncan: some sort of weird connective catalyst to

Duncan: get as to where we are.

Duncan: And we're gonna be introduced to

Duncan: essentially our two police detectives, yeah,

Duncan: who at one point were kind of close but are

Duncan: now estranged and guess what?

Duncan: It was a case, a case they worked on

Duncan: together, bo, that's split them apart and

Duncan: one of them is Clarice Starling, who had a

Duncan: real rough time after a Marry and Hannibal

Duncan: Lecter and em you know in the books and

Duncan: then, or in the novel, watching Hannibal

Duncan: chop his hand off she's.

Duncan: I need to get a new job.

Duncan: I'm gonna Alaska, somewhere that Hannibal

Duncan: will never go, because he only likes warm

Duncan: countries.

Bo: Can we talk about how good this credit

Bo: sequence is, real quick.

Duncan: Well, it's Billy Eilish, isn't it so?

Duncan: yeah, it's a song called Barry, a friend

Duncan: yeah which is fucking great, and it's just

Duncan: like I don't have a listen to that.

Duncan: I've got a nine-year-old or so.

Duncan: There's the occasional Eilish song that

Duncan: plays.

Duncan: Now it's not.

Duncan: I think she's very talented to watch, you

Duncan: don't.

Duncan: But the whole credit sequence is just

Duncan: Dripping in fucking Twin Peaks mystery and

Duncan: I kind of like the peepsie and stuff.

Duncan: Like the peepsie and stuff that peaked my

Duncan: interest, come sticking fast with this but

Duncan: says it's really, really cool, can a like,

Duncan: like, can I?

Duncan: Almost heartbeat sort of tempo that works

Duncan: through and lots of imagery of stuff that's

Duncan: actually ticked off in this episode.

Duncan: But other things there's like a like,

Duncan: there's a rocking chair Just moving with

Duncan: like a, like a polar bear toy missing an

Duncan: eye and there's loads of weird shit.

Duncan: But I forget how great the credit sequences

Duncan: to true detective are.

Duncan: You know me, you forget like it's like

Duncan: there's so many shows that now just do that

Duncan: Off of your eyes, just that's written into

Duncan: shows now and true detective might be in

Duncan: the first show.

Duncan: I can think of that fully.

Duncan: Just did it as a kind of concept and intro.

Duncan: I remember the jinx did it as well, the TV

Duncan: show, the drink, the jinx, the documentary

Duncan: on Robert Durst, and it had something, but

Duncan: I don't know which one came first.

Duncan: So I'm gonna see true detective likely came

Duncan: first and yeah, every show has it.

Duncan: But instantly I was like what they're gonna

Duncan: do?

Duncan: And then it was like yes, it's, it's so

Duncan: good.

Bo: And when I was watching this, this episode,

Bo: the second time, I accidentally hit season

Bo: one, episode one, and got a little bit of

Bo: that opening sequence.

Bo: I was like, oh yeah, this is a Banger

Bo: anyway.

Bo: But yeah, I had to point out this barrier,

Bo: friends, all I think is fucking great.

Bo: It's real stripped down and that goes, goes

Bo: along with the whole theme of the show and

Bo: the feel of the show and everything.

Bo: Oh, it's so good.

Bo: So, yeah, right.

Bo: So then we go to a fish packing plant.

Bo: Mm-hmm and our introduce first to Navarro,

Bo: yes, who is the non-clarie starling true

Bo: detective of this.

Duncan: Total badass.

Duncan: Every life professional boxer.

Duncan: So is she really?

Bo: I know that she's fucking stacked.

Duncan: I would not want to get away the wrong side

Duncan: of this woman she could fuck me up.

Bo: I mean in a way, like most people, could

Bo: let's say, it doesn't matter, male, female

Bo: doesn't matter, but her in particular there,

Bo: that scene where she is fucking that guy.

Bo: Yeah and you get, you know, not the full

Bo: Monty, but just seeing how she is built,

Bo: yes, and it was like holy fuck.

Duncan: Yeah, so she is that professional boxer

Duncan: turned actress played by Callie Reese.

Duncan: And yes, she is.

Bo: Thank God she's fucking that Jason Momoa

Bo: looking motherfucker because she needs

Bo: somebody that is.

Bo: Equally like a britch at house, you'll kill

Bo: a mortal man.

Duncan: But just with the thighs like she has.

Bo: she'll see now to top you, and On accident,

Bo: not on purpose, like Zena on a top, did it

Bo: because it gave her that sexual thrill yeah,

Bo: not no, Navarro yeah.

Bo: Neesey's, you're dead, like right.

Bo: She's just like.

Bo: Look, I'm sorry, you were frail like a

Bo: delicate bird, you know I mean well, she.

Duncan: She shows up, you see, and as this

Duncan: Fishpacking plan, there is a guy with a

Duncan: messed up face lying on the ground,

Duncan: unconscious, undeads, door, and and there

Duncan: is a woman comforting another woman, kind

Duncan: of put a cold compress On her eye and we're

Duncan: being brought.

Duncan: And what's interesting about this is the

Duncan: guy that's bringing the detective in is

Duncan: kind of trying to pivot towards the

Duncan: unconscious guy on the floor and not the

Duncan: women looked after, because that's the

Duncan: culture and she's instantly across to the

Duncan: woman to find out what actually happened

Duncan: and did she?

Duncan: I love it.

Duncan: She just kicks a guy on the ground to make

Duncan: sure he's alright.

Duncan: There's no checking the pulses or he's like

Duncan: yeah, he's out, he's still alive.

Duncan: So she walks over and starts quizzing.

Duncan: This is kind of me like did you, did you

Duncan: fuck up this man?

Bo: This mess over here?

Bo: Did you make this mess over here?

Duncan: And we get.

Duncan: We get, like, essentially we get a bit of

Duncan: background on this one.

Duncan: This guy is a complete shithead of a

Duncan: character.

Duncan: Abusive boyfriend has been tormenting the

Duncan: other, loving fuck and beating the shit of

Duncan: his partner.

Duncan: She has left him and he, for whatever

Duncan: reason because we're working the same plant

Duncan: and would you imagine, it's probably the

Duncan: big industry here Like everyone works at

Duncan: the fishing plant or the mine that we're

Duncan: gonna talk about later on and Basically

Duncan: asks, like what happens?

Duncan: Like yeah, came in here and attacked her,

Duncan: so I picked up my metal bucket and I fucked

Duncan: him up with it.

Bo: The way she puts is like asshole hit her,

Bo: so I hit the ass I for an eye and Well done.

Duncan: This guy comes to and as he's coming to,

Duncan: like she slaps a cuff on him after taking

Duncan: him down again, like he tries to try some

Duncan: bullshit on her, and she like, very, very

Duncan: quickly once again if you were thinking

Duncan: maybe she just lifts, I'm not, as she'll

Duncan: fuck you up she restrains him on the ground,

Duncan: slaps a cuff on him and takes him away,

Duncan: much to the the supervisors dis me.

Duncan: He's kind of feels like this should be the

Duncan: other way around, which kind of speaks to

Duncan: the culture once again.

Duncan: But what entries to her?

Duncan: She apparently is Put to the class, her job

Duncan: as so she's not an actual detective and

Duncan: she's a trooper, a trooper right.

Duncan: So, like America has weird In my country

Duncan: it's the police right and you have

Duncan: different grades within the police.

Bo: A trooper is someone that sits Generally

Bo: like road patrol that kind of right and

Bo: yeah.

Bo: So yeah, and from where clearly where she

Bo: was, she has been bounced down.

Bo: Yes, we will find out a lot more of that

Bo: soon, so yeah, so yeah, cuz Navarro gets a

Bo: call, looks real sullen, and we'll find out

Bo: what that's about in a second, but first to

Bo: Clarice, you've been hold like literally

Bo: our chat for the people out there, our chat

Bo: back and forwards, has been borderline

Bo: ridiculous, like any.

Duncan: Like this is is almost as if the show has

Duncan: given it gave us.

Duncan: It's like you want, let's see if we can get

Duncan: Duncan and go back together.

Duncan: We'll give them some true detective that I

Duncan: get them back.

Duncan: I'm like, yeah, we see what you're doing,

Duncan: hbo.

Duncan: And they were like, right, I'll be setting

Duncan: the snow and it'll be a murder mystery.

Duncan: I'm like, oh, it's reference all your

Duncan: favorite horror movies.

Duncan: That's kind of cool.

Duncan: That's like I'm gonna give you Jodie Foster

Duncan: more.

Duncan: Like, oh, yeah.

Bo: The Tigers are not afraid.

Bo: Ladies, do it all, all right.

Duncan: God damn it.

Duncan: So, yeah, we apologize in advance if we, we

Duncan: Absolutely.

Duncan: But you're your love of silence of the

Duncan: lambs by making so many, it's.

Bo: Like it's been a running concern on this

Bo: show ever since there has been a show that

Bo: was more More broadly obsessed with that

Bo: movie?

Duncan: Yes, yeah.

Bo: And to those people who would argue like,

Bo: why would you want to watch something that

Bo: is full of such horrible Imagery all the

Bo: time, I would respond Tovens, the nipples

Bo: doesn't.

Duncan: The thing about, like the thing I love

Duncan: about that Jodie Foster is she's obviously

Duncan: she's getting on an age right and actually

Duncan: she fits this role.

Duncan: Fucking pit.

Duncan: She is cold, she is brutal, she's matter of

Duncan: fact, she's kind of fucking amazing.

Duncan: Like right from the off I'm just like that.

Duncan: As soon as she walks in, I'm like I love

Duncan: this character and Like we're gonna, I

Duncan: imagine, over the next five episodes,

Duncan: unpack a whole hell of all stuff in her

Duncan: past.

Duncan: But as it stands just now she is in charge

Duncan: of the police department there.

Duncan: She's been called and she's the lead

Duncan: detective.

Duncan: She's been called in and to the Antarctic

Duncan: station to do some investigation on An

Duncan: empty what is an empty?

Duncan: Research station.

Duncan: As when she walks in and she's met with

Duncan: that clip from Ferris Bealers on loop and

Duncan: literally the first thing, she's like that

Duncan: who the fuck is it?

Duncan: And we need to switch this off like she's

Duncan: like.

Duncan: She's like turn the fucking music off.

Bo: Yeah it, yeah, I like.

Bo: All the stuff you say about her character

Bo: is right, I like.

Bo: I think it's also worth pointing out the

Bo: the town that they're in.

Bo: It's a place called.

Bo: Ennis, yes, and it's it like is a small

Bo: Alaskan town.

Bo: Yeah, and I mean it's civilization, for

Bo: sure it's not, you know.

Duncan: Civilization.

Duncan: You know I mean so yeah you imagine there

Duncan: are not.

Duncan: It's not like fucking, it's not blue collar

Duncan: cream, you know.

Bo: It's Poor Stacy showing up getting drunk

Bo: and running like yes, yes, the crime.

Bo: Yeah, and, and then we'll get to Stacy in a

Bo: minute, but the star of the episode, as far

Bo: as Stacy's.

Duncan: We get no of Jill.

Duncan: Is Ken that amazing?

Bo: Yeah, it's well.

Bo: Yeah, we'll get to it, but it's so being

Bo: called to this station and not really

Bo: knowing what's going on other than hey,

Bo: nobody's here, and we found a tongue and

Bo: already, like, the antenna is up.

Bo: But yes, she like cruises into this garage.

Bo: Join very quickly by John Hawks.

Duncan: Like I'm like this already, like the show

Duncan: is giving us is like that, it's like that

Duncan: just listen, we've got you here's like here,

Duncan: here, just some great actors that are just

Duncan: here to play in this world.

Duncan: And John Hawks is.

Duncan: I love him, I love him and everything, and

Duncan: he's playing you very John Hawks character,

Duncan: which also makes me kind of happy.

Bo: Yeah, but he's kind of a doofus a little

Bo: bit in this, which is an interesting shift

Bo: of gears for him.

Duncan: I don't know if I've got some theories.

Duncan: I don't know if he's Kind of playing a

Duncan: doofus and he's actually maybe more shrewd

Duncan: Than he actually is in relation to the case

Duncan: box.

Duncan: Why does he have my?

Duncan: Maybe he's on the payroll.

Duncan: We'll get to that a little bit more.

Bo: I think he might be a bit crooked, so oh

Bo: okay, I see what you're saying, all right,

Bo: yeah, I mean, I think I think he may have

Bo: been holding on to something.

Bo: For because they do point out that he was

Bo: sheriff at the time.

Bo: Yeah and that was before he ever got.

Bo: Yeah, Jenny Foster is quick to say like the

Bo: anti murder was before she got there.

Duncan: Yes, I think there's maybe a reason why,

Duncan: also why there's a scene later on when I

Duncan: was like, alright, maybe you're not a you

Duncan: know, maybe you're just playing this role

Duncan: to an extent in front of people, we'll get

Duncan: to it, we'll get to it.

Duncan: I might not bear out to be anything, but I

Duncan: get a feeling that something may come out

Duncan: with that character and other vested

Duncan: interests, with big business in the area.

Bo: Okay.

Bo: Gotcha yeah yeah, cause we?

Bo: Yeah, we'll talk about the mind as that

Bo: comes up.

Bo: But yeah, so she rolls in.

Bo: It's the first time anybody's really been

Bo: inside the research station because, it's a

Bo: research station, like you know.

Bo: They, they kind of are hands off with this

Bo: group and the whole time she's like oh, dr

Bo: Lector, I can't find my clue.

Duncan: And he was coming and she didn't realize it

Duncan: was coming straight away.

Duncan: And the fight that everyone is called Dr

Duncan: Lector.

Bo: Well, naturally, and by the way, who the

Bo: fuck is playing?

Bo: Twist and shout over and over again, like

Bo: that, cause I'm going to, I'm going to have

Bo: to rip a cocoon straight out of their

Bo: throat.

Duncan: Amy Crase.

Duncan: Is the Ferris Bueller still playing?

Duncan: Yeah, so they go in and they're all like

Duncan: they're.

Duncan: It's clear that she's a lot better than

Duncan: what.

Duncan: I've been interested to find out where she

Duncan: came from, because she's just infinitely a

Duncan: better police officer than anyone else in

Duncan: the room.

Bo: Right, yeah, I like the fact that, as she's

Bo: searching for this remote to turn off twist

Bo: and shout which is playing on a loop, um,

Bo: the cop, the other cop is like look, it

Bo: doesn't open, it doesn't open, it doesn't

Bo: open, and finally she gets the one that

Bo: does yeah, and he's like, oh, all right, so

Bo: they've always tried one and being like

Bo: that this doesn't open or maybe not even

Bo: try like, maybe not even giving it that

Bo: much.

Duncan: Another detail that I like about her and

Duncan: we're about to get to is that she's happy

Duncan: to let people not make a fool of themselves,

Duncan: but happy for to let people, like give

Duncan: their opinion on something before she then

Duncan: tells them why they're wrong.

Duncan: Yeah, it's then like instantly shooting

Duncan: down and she's like what do you think

Duncan: happened here?

Duncan: How do you, how did you come to that?

Duncan: And then she's like here's why you're wrong.

Duncan: Because and then she leaves it.

Duncan: Matter of fact.

Duncan: So she hears this guy say this to her and

Duncan: she's like that doesn't sound right.

Duncan: And then she guys continue, and then she

Duncan: finds it and then all of a sudden, the sins

Duncan: off and she very quickly tells you that she

Duncan: does not like the artist to perform this

Duncan: song.

Duncan: She's not a fan at all and I wonder if

Duncan: we're going to get more.

Duncan: I did feel like a very, very, very, very

Duncan: extreme reaction.

Bo: Yeah Well, there's so much, like you said,

Bo: that's alluded to in her background, that

Bo: we just can't possibly have a frame of

Bo: reference for just yet, but I do.

Bo: This is also the scene where you get a very

Bo: clear shot of the copy of the thing on the

Bo: shelf.

Bo: And I'm like I see what you're doing, but

Bo: I'm like a motherfucker, she, I, what.

Bo: One of the moments I really like here is

Bo: when she's like so who pays for all this?

Bo: And one of the guys is like I don't know

Bo: grants or something, and she goes are you

Bo: asking me, dr Lector?

Bo: And he's like no, I guess I'll look it up.

Bo: Yeah, I think that'd be a good idea.

Bo: How about you do your I don't know, goddamn

Bo: job.

Duncan: You play that game.

Duncan: I gave a quick poll call.

Duncan: Do we have to share secrets for you to go

Duncan: and access this computer right now?

Duncan: That's about yourself.

Duncan: So yeah, let me go away.

Duncan: They start pulling up details about the

Duncan: station itself.

Duncan: So the cell research station appears to be

Duncan: All men, yes, all men.

Duncan: All men, different ethnicities, different

Duncan: age ranges, mostly in a kind of molecular

Duncan: biology and geology, and there's no clear

Duncan: remit of what they're doing, but it's kind

Duncan: of it's hypothesized that it's something in

Duncan: relation to global warming and studies in

Duncan: the area is very, very, very big and the

Duncan: way they phrase it is the origin of life.

Duncan: Yes.

Bo: It's what they're cause Danvers.

Bo: Jenny Foster is like oh, that old thing,

Bo: it's a yeah and yeah.

Duncan: So like they're pulling up all the files of

Duncan: all the different people so we get a view

Duncan: of who they all are.

Duncan: So it's relatively well man station.

Duncan: She's working a way around, so she notes

Duncan: that the treadmill, for example, that the

Duncan: Asian doctor was running on, it's still a

Duncan: kind of pause setting.

Duncan: So it's asking if he wants to resume this.

Duncan: So he stopped at some point.

Duncan: So and then she's looking around at like

Duncan: there's a beer, there's a bowl of popcorn,

Duncan: like in the TV room, and she comes to the

Duncan: sandwich and this is where her and John

Duncan: Hawks have the first of our.

Duncan: Let me bitch slap you with just I don't

Duncan: know, like investigation details here and

Duncan: there's a lot of backhanded comments.

Duncan: So it's alluded to that maybe they've been

Duncan: in a relationship at some point.

Bo: Yeah, All right.

Bo: Before we get to that, just to point out

Bo: that in her journey she also finds a

Bo: whiteboard where someone has written we are

Bo: all dead.

Duncan: Yes, someone has.

Duncan: Maybe don't come looking for us, we're all

Duncan: dead.

Bo: Yeah, so, but yeah too, I think the way

Bo: that I'm reading it is the deputy is their

Bo: kid because she talks about him going to

Bo: her debt, like it's one of those things

Bo: where they don't talk to each other real

Bo: well.

Bo: Yes, but there's a lot of your mother and

Bo: your father when they're talking to him.

Duncan: Yeah, but she's also got a kid no no, no,

Duncan: no From another relationship.

Duncan: It's not her kid, but it's from another

Duncan: relationship where she has essentially once

Duncan: again it's alluded to that he died and

Duncan: she's just now essentially still looking

Duncan: after that kid.

Duncan: So she's assumed kind of the mother role in

Duncan: this thing.

Duncan: That kid is kind of kind of native origin

Duncan: as well.

Duncan: So yeah, it's just like the family dynamic

Duncan: here is just make the whole police dynamic,

Duncan: family dynamic straight way.

Duncan: Everything's just messed up, nothing's

Duncan: clean here.

Duncan: Like this is a small, like you said before,

Duncan: this is a small town.

Duncan: Everyone kind of knows everyone intimately.

Duncan: So like we look at easily that yeah, I

Duncan: think they've been missing for the same

Duncan: which year?

Duncan: Not very long sandwiches, you know, there's

Duncan: no, no time, the ham still not moldy, or

Duncan: you know this kind of still soft, and she's

Duncan: like huh.

Duncan: So she's like what I want is a flyover air

Duncan: search thing and 15 miles, I think is what

Duncan: she says.

Duncan: Is the radius is what he's looking for.

Duncan: He's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

Duncan: whoa.

Duncan: Sheriff, like what we're doing here, like

Duncan: this is overkill, you're going to panic

Duncan: people and all the rest, and she basically

Duncan: she leaves out factually why from this one

Duncan: sandwich she knows they've been gone for

Duncan: more than I don't know a couple of hours

Duncan: and they'll come back, and from a jolly in

Duncan: the snow.

Bo: Well, it's coupled with a real bitch slap

Bo: for being a shitty dad, because it's huh.

Bo: I see what you're saying there about the

Bo: ham.

Bo: Everybody knows, dr Lecter, that this kind

Bo: of ham is processed meat.

Bo: It could last with the apocalypse.

Bo: But more importantly, dr Lecter, look at

Bo: the mayonnaise, the mayonnaise.

Duncan: She says the mayonnaise has now got like a

Duncan: custard consistency, which happens after

Duncan: it's been outside for more than 48 hours.

Duncan: So she reckons it's probably 72 hours,

Duncan: which would make sense with the three days

Duncan: later thing that came up at the beginning

Duncan: of this scene.

Bo: By the way, did you not see the crawl at

Bo: the beginning of the scene?

Bo: Clearly it happened three days after.

Duncan: And then she basically says you know, I get

Duncan: all this from having to make sandwiches

Duncan: from my kids and I know that you probably

Duncan: never really had to make me any sandwiches

Duncan: for your kids.

Duncan: And I'm just like such a dick move because

Duncan: the guy she's going around with here, who's

Duncan: been doing the computer investigation on

Duncan: all the rest, is John Hawk's son, right?

Bo: Yeah, I let you see their kid.

Duncan: Yeah, kind of alluded to that.

Duncan: This is her, you know, this is their

Duncan: offspring and the basal is standing over a

Duncan: sandwich and she's basically calling him

Duncan: kind of shitty parents.

Bo: You were never much of a making sandwiches

Bo: for the kids kind of dad.

Bo: Where are you Dr?

Duncan: Lecter so so like we're instantly set up

Duncan: here, something really weird is going on.

Duncan: It looks like, from the point when that

Duncan: sandwich was made like, nothing has kind of

Duncan: changed.

Duncan: There's no visible signs of any.

Duncan: That's the other thing.

Duncan: There's no visible signs of blood or

Duncan: anything around here out with the scroll

Duncan: along there.

Duncan: And that's right, the human tongue.

Bo: Right, and we talked about this a little

Bo: bit ago already.

Bo: But this is the point where you know

Bo: they're like hey, are you sure that this

Bo: tongue comes from a native tongue?

Bo: It comes from a native American woman of

Bo: this area, because you could tell by the

Bo: scores on the tongue.

Bo: It's another moment.

Duncan: The young cop thinks it's someone biting

Duncan: the tongue and she says no, this is that

Duncan: like the repeated like of threading like

Duncan: fish rope or whatever it is, through your

Duncan: tongue you inherently get a groove.

Duncan: It's common in a lot of women that work in

Duncan: the industry, in the area, and we're like

Duncan: that.

Duncan: Huh, that seems like a real specific detail

Duncan: that you would know, jodie Foster.

Duncan: I wonder if there's ever been I don't know

Duncan: a crime that's happened in this area where

Duncan: someone's tongue was missing.

Duncan: I don't know, maybe, maybe.

Bo: All right.

Bo: So between this and that, you know of kind

Bo: of getting some answers about that, there's

Bo: a very quick scene with Fiona Shaw.

Bo: Welcome to the show, Fiona Shaw.

Duncan: Yeah, we love you being everything, please.

Bo: Yes, is skinning an animal out on the

Bo: tundra?

Bo: Yep.

Duncan: This is Tuesday.

Duncan: This is Tuesday's activity.

Bo: It's just.

Bo: Some of the details I really like in this

Bo: show are where you see like people who have

Bo: a bunch of canned food and shit just

Bo: stacked in the back for when hey, when it

Bo: gets snowy and nobody can get here.

Bo: We want to make sure we've got plenty of

Bo: supplies.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: And this is a woman who just lives out on

Bo: the edge of nothing and is making her

Bo: living out there and she is skinning this

Bo: animal and then she sees somebody named

Bo: Travis standing barefooted in, you know,

Bo: pretty casual clothes for it being

Bo: nighttime in Alaska.

Duncan: Right.

Duncan: So do you know the Travis TV?

Bo: I mean clearly this is.

Bo: I mean it's a ghost to her Yep, but do you?

Duncan: know how Travis connects to True Detective.

Duncan: How does Travis connect to True Detective?

Duncan: Right, this is where, like pfft the fucking

Duncan: this might prove to be nothing, but this is

Duncan: literally what the internet is like,

Duncan: screaming themselves over at the moment.

Duncan: And episode number four of season one of

Duncan: True Detective Rustin Cole says that his

Duncan: dad lived in Alaska and his name was Travis.

Bo: Oh, so it could be Matthew McConaughey.

Bo: What people are saying?

Duncan: is.

Duncan: He does have a striking resemblance, with

Duncan: the straggly hair, to what Rustin Cole

Duncan: would eventually look like.

Duncan: And at the end of season one of True

Duncan: Detective, when they're talking about their

Duncan: events in Karkosa and how you know like

Duncan: Rustin Cole almost dies, he says that.

Duncan: You know like when they're talking about

Duncan: the lights beating over the dock, he talks

Duncan: about like almost leaving his body and

Duncan: seeing his dad.

Duncan: So there's now this kind of internet

Duncan: assumption that this Travis character is

Duncan: Travis Cole, which it might not be, but the

Duncan: fact that he is kind of supernaturally

Duncan: appearing and in a later scene doing

Duncan: something very similar to the swishy swishy

Duncan: of the sky that was in season one, that

Duncan: maybe this is one in the same.

Duncan: There's another nod which once again, I

Duncan: just can't think of all the names in the

Duncan: world and all the places in the world.

Duncan: It kind of feels like if you're also Lopez,

Duncan: you're like, oh, that'd be fun.

Duncan: Yeah, that's a fun to get in there.

Duncan: And in season three we obviously had the

Duncan: connecting tissue there where they talked

Duncan: about the child abuse case covered by

Duncan: Rustin Cole and fucking Woody Harvison's

Duncan: character from that.

Duncan: So there was a link there as well.

Duncan: So this once again exists in the same

Duncan: universe as season one.

Bo: I yeah, I mean, that's very specific.

Bo: That feels like something that can be

Bo: totally legit.

Duncan: Well, it's the name of all the names in the

Duncan: world Travis and Alaska, and it's a low

Duncan: play.

Duncan: Lopez clearly understands that part of the

Duncan: fun of this show is discussing the show,

Duncan: and I think it's all this I believe it's

Duncan: called the general term for this is the

Duncan: psychosphere, as well as called online off,

Duncan: where people like like watch a TV show and

Duncan: then instantly try and unpack mysteries,

Duncan: some of them clearly in there, some of them

Duncan: kind of alluded to fun play and some stuff

Duncan: that people are just like trying to get

Duncan: that conspiracy theory and to the end to be.

Duncan: They mean nothing, but let's try and give

Duncan: it meaning.

Duncan: And but this one does feel like a kind of

Duncan: oh right, because we get another one very

Duncan: fucking fast, like super, super fast here

Duncan: with the connection to the dead body of any

Duncan: K, which I don't know if you picked up on,

Duncan: but I'm happy to talk about that as well.

Duncan: So, yeah, so Travis appears, I kind of

Duncan: ghostly weird, almost from the fucking red

Duncan: room character.

Bo: When he's doing the dance.

Bo: I was totally reminded of firewalk with me.

Duncan: I was waiting for is to turn around and see

Duncan: let's rock.

Duncan: I mean I was like, yeah, what are we doing

Duncan: here?

Duncan: Like all that love, everything about it.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, it's terrific, and anyway.

Bo: So then we go back with Danvers, back to

Bo: the sheriff's office where Navarro is

Bo: waiting for to be like hey, I hear there's

Bo: a severed tongue.

Bo: Yeah, remember the Annie K case.

Bo: What's going on?

Duncan: Yeah, and and roster shuts her down.

Duncan: Real Well, this is a putting you in your

Duncan: place, two steps away from saying fuck off

Duncan: you know what I mean.

Bo: Right, I don't know how you heard about

Bo: this.

Bo: Maybe you're just following your spirit

Bo: animal or whatever, and that led you here.

Bo: You know some of that mystical bullshit

Bo: that I don't believe in your spirit animal,

Bo: a lamb, by any chance.

Bo: So Because if it was, it wouldn't be

Bo: screaming, right now.

Bo: It'd just be really wrong.

Duncan: What yeah and?

Bo: And Navarro is just like yeah, my, you know,

Bo: spirit animal eats old white men like our

Bo: old white ladies, like you for lunch, yeah,

Bo: and to light.

Bo: I don't really like that much in that scene.

Bo: And she's like yeah, well, whatever, I'm

Bo: rubber in your glue and perhaps you can

Bo: investigate what happens.

Duncan: My spirit animal eats pieces of shit like

Duncan: you for for that Spent on the pieces of

Duncan: shit.

Duncan: I mean I was no one man Pow.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: And then she gets a call from this mother

Bo: at her kid's school and she's like I don't

Bo: have the bandwidth for all of this bullshit

Bo: right now.

Bo: It is coming fast and or furious, yeah, and

Bo: sure enough she has to take all off to go

Bo: to the next scene.

Bo: Physically has to take off and you're kind

Bo: of thinking, oh, there's a kid got in

Bo: trouble at school.

Duncan: No, no, no.

Duncan: This is a parent, this is another parent

Duncan: where the kids go to the same school and,

Duncan: um, it is dude in her face, like the kind

Duncan: of righteous angry that parents are when

Duncan: they're.

Bo: Just like I've got.

Bo: I'm about to unload on you and Joe and, to

Bo: her credit, like Jody Foster knows her kid

Bo: fucked up and is not like arguing against

Bo: it too much.

Bo: She's just like, I know.

Bo: I know.

Bo: Yeah, uh-huh, I know.

Bo: Yes, I'm a piece of shit.

Bo: Yes, my daughter is a piece of shit.

Bo: We're a piece of shit family.

Bo: Yes, we live in a toilet bowl because we're

Bo: all pieces of shit.

Bo: Yes, I know you fucked my way, If you

Bo: fucked my way, if you fucked my way, if you

Bo: fucked my way, if you fucked my way, if you

Bo: fucked my way Um then she gets back at,

Bo: like a Jody Foster gets back at the SUV

Bo: after getting this ass or aiming from this

Bo: mom, and she's just like well, I hope

Bo: you're fucking happy, dr Licker.

Bo: That sucked.

Bo: Were you watching that?

Bo: That fucking sucked.

Duncan: So it's a little bit too that on the phone,

Duncan: basically, her Now kind of surrogate

Duncan: adopted daughter and her classmate, who she

Duncan: believes is only 15, are engaging in sexual

Duncan: activity in which they filmed themselves

Duncan: doing it Right and right.

Duncan: Yes, and the mum's found it on the phone,

Duncan: so as it hasn't made its way out, but the

Duncan: mum of the other kid has found it on her

Duncan: phone and is rightly fucking furious about

Duncan: this, so yeah, and Jody Foster is giving

Duncan: her the business about like, are you

Duncan: fucking stupid?

Bo: Do you not know that that can get out

Bo: online?

Bo: Are you just an asshole?

Bo: And she's like I didn't think about all the

Bo: criminal angles on this.

Bo: I fucking should.

Bo: I'm a cop, I'm a.

Bo: You are the daughter of a cop.

Bo: And also quit rubbing Vaj.

Bo: Just look at the car going and put it in,

Bo: recording it with a 15 year old.

Duncan: I'm the mother fucking police up in this

Duncan: bitch.

Bo: Yes, king Kong ain't got shit on me and, as

Bo: as they're having this argument, there is a

Bo: surprise car accident right in front of

Bo: them.

Duncan: Player willing to just to like both

Duncan: favorite character.

Bo: It kind of is Stacy Chalmers drunk again?

Bo: Stacy Chalmers.

Bo: It was a guy from the window Like trust me,

Bo: that is fucking Stacy again.

Bo: That is the best part.

Bo: Is the guy going?

Bo: Is that God damn Stacy Chalmers down there?

Bo: And of course, Stacy as soon as this car

Bo: wreck happens.

Bo: The Jody Foster's like wait here, I got to

Bo: go see what's going on.

Bo: And gets out of her car and starts to

Bo: approach Stacy Chalmers, already getting

Bo: out of the car like drunk as shit, hey, my

Bo: baby's leaving me.

Bo: I know I'm not supposed to be out here and

Bo: Jody Foster's meeting.

Bo: Like are you fucking kidding me?

Bo: Yeah, you are not supposed to be even

Bo: driving.

Bo: You don't even have a license right now.

Duncan: Yeah, like she.

Duncan: Like full on.

Duncan: Cop slams are right in the front of the car,

Duncan: handcuffs on, and the rest are for rightly

Duncan: reckless driving under the influence,

Duncan: driving driving with a license.

Duncan: I imagine the list goes on and on and on.

Duncan: But this is once you get small town Alaska.

Duncan: Yes, you see what happens.

Duncan: She's probably going to sleep it off and

Duncan: then be released.

Bo: It is right next door to an odished the

Bo: drunk situation.

Bo: Like here's the keys, go put yourself in

Bo: the lock up.

Bo: But like there's a moment where Jody Foster

Bo: realizes like she's being rough with this

Bo: woman because she's just had a shitty day

Bo: and it's kind of coming out on this lady

Bo: and her daughter's watching and she's like

Bo: God damn it, I'm just like nothing is going

Bo: right.

Bo: And she gets back in the car and the

Bo: daughter is like you know, I just just so

Bo: you know she was 16.

Bo: She's not 15.

Bo: She's 16 until he falls here.

Bo: She's like Jesus, fucking Christ, get the

Bo: wheel, take the wheel.

Bo: I mean it has just like this day cannot get

Bo: worse.

Bo: Yeah, and so then we go back to Navarro,

Bo: who is waiting outside for a dude who's

Bo: involved with the Annie K case.

Duncan: Yeah, and this is the big mind that the

Duncan: town of Ennis makes its money from.

Duncan: Yeah, and this dude comes out.

Duncan: This is the brother of Annie K.

Bo: Okay, that's what I was going to ask.

Bo: I was unclear exactly what his relationship

Bo: was.

Bo: Yeah, this is the brother.

Duncan: He's mentioned later on as well, and

Duncan: Navarro plays it off as if she has to make

Duncan: contact with him because she's not.

Duncan: But you get the impression that she

Duncan: periodically checks up on the brother to

Duncan: make sure he's all right.

Duncan: They seem to they have a relationship

Duncan: comfortable enough where he's like I do

Duncan: want to go for a drink and she's like I'll

Duncan: come back to mine.

Duncan: Then she's like I suppose so.

Duncan: And then we go back to this guy's house

Duncan: where he offers her a beer and she says no,

Duncan: no, she's not taking the beer.

Duncan: And then he offers her some of the he's

Duncan: like secret stash or something and she's

Duncan: like no, we're not doing that either.

Duncan: Cop and she asked specific questions of him.

Duncan: So the detailed question here is did his

Duncan: sister ever mention anything about the

Duncan: research station?

Duncan: And we got a bit of background here from

Duncan: the brother as to what Annie was actually

Duncan: doing.

Duncan: She was a local activist who appeared to

Duncan: have a very, very, very, very strong

Duncan: feeling about the mine as practices and its

Duncan: effect on the environment and as a result I

Duncan: made her really unpopular because her

Duncan: brother basically said listen, I tried to

Duncan: tell her she wouldn't listen to me.

Duncan: If the mine closes down, the town dies why

Duncan: there is no town anymore.

Duncan: If this mine closes down, she says that in

Duncan: the last year they weren't speaking to each

Duncan: other.

Duncan: And actually, one step even further, he'd

Duncan: be kind of happy if she, you know, just

Duncan: wanted to let this case go now.

Duncan: Enough times passed.

Duncan: He's kind of I think he's resigned himself

Duncan: to the fact that he's never going to get

Duncan: resolution from it.

Duncan: Enough times passed, and what I can only

Duncan: the thing about this is and I think it's

Duncan: another thing that true detective does

Duncan: really really well is the idea of like

Duncan: detectives carrying cases with them, like

Duncan: this unresolved business.

Duncan: And all the way through this episode she is,

Duncan: you get that obsessive nature that she's

Duncan: had to like kind of resolve this case and

Duncan: everyone that she's speaking to is kind of

Duncan: like let's move on.

Duncan: And you find that the Jodie Foster handles

Duncan: that completely smarter, in different way,

Duncan: where the emotional side doesn't get locked

Duncan: in.

Duncan: But you know she's like even talking to the

Duncan: brother and the brother's like you know you

Duncan: don't have to keep doing this.

Duncan: You know, let this go If you don't have

Duncan: like.

Duncan: If there's no, I don't have to continue to

Duncan: investigate that.

Duncan: I've kind of made peace with the situation

Duncan: and we can kind of move on and Navarro kind

Duncan: of is she's respectful of the situation,

Duncan: buying going to happen?

Bo: Yeah, another thing that I would just add

Bo: to the list of hey, here's some interesting

Bo: information we're giving in this scene Is

Bo: not just you know, here's Annie's

Bo: background.

Bo: There's a point where it's when he's

Bo: offering the beer and Navarro just asked

Bo: for water instead and he's like actually

Bo: the water shit.

Bo: It has been for three days, which I'm like

Bo: oh timeline, okay.

Duncan: So something is going on.

Duncan: Something weird is going on here.

Bo: Something happened, and there's also a

Bo: point we haven't talked about this yet in

Bo: this scene where he asks her at a certain

Bo: point if she believes in God.

Bo: Yeah, right so yeah, yeah, it's good scene,

Bo: yeah, and she's like, well, yes.

Bo: And then there's this flashback to when she

Bo: was on a tour of duty in.

Duncan: Afghanistan or something like that.

Bo: Yeah, I rack Afghanistan, something like

Bo: that and she sees a woman who's like

Bo: literally half her head is blown off.

Bo: It's a real like Gus from breaking bad kind

Bo: of situation and leans down and whisper

Bo: something to her and we don't get what she

Bo: says, but clearly something that affected

Bo: her, affected Navarro, and when we cut back

Bo: to her, the guy's like I wish I could do

Bo: that at.

Bo: You know, I believe we're alone.

Bo: And she's like oh, I didn't say we're not

Bo: all alone, it's just that God's alone too.

Duncan: Yeah, and that's what links back to the

Duncan: opening quote.

Duncan: Yeah, and then the idea of, like, even God

Duncan: sleeps.

Duncan: So right and we get another phone call

Duncan: saying well, it happened again Like there's

Duncan: a lot like I would hate to be a police

Duncan: officer in this place.

Duncan: There is no downtime Like even when you're

Duncan: getting downtime, even when you're getting

Duncan: some downtime where you're your beloved,

Duncan: which is young man we're about to go to in

Duncan: a couple of scenes is like he is, but he's

Duncan: about two seconds away from being knuckled

Duncan: deep and he has to answer a phone call out

Duncan: of ours for something that is not actually

Duncan: case related is like extracurricular cold

Duncan: case yet yeah, so this is Navarro's sister

Duncan: that we're about to meet.

Bo: Who is?

Duncan: so we get a couple of of establishing shots

Duncan: of the town here too and you see a lot of

Duncan: like there's broken signs and bingo parlors

Duncan: and stuff like that and to sort of suggest

Duncan: that there's kind of a seediness with a

Duncan: small town tends to be around any community

Duncan: where mining is like, if you, if you're

Duncan: like, if you're working in the mining

Duncan: business and I don't want to generalize in

Duncan: total, but anything around mining or oil or

Duncan: really these heavy industry times, is

Duncan: generally sex trading, gambling or the or

Duncan: the two things that like, take root very,

Duncan: very quickly, because when people are, I

Duncan: don't know isolated, working their fingers

Duncan: to death manually, when they finish, they

Duncan: want to get high, get drunk and fuck.

Bo: So yeah, and so we were getting some of

Bo: these vibes.

Bo: And then Navarro shows up at a door and

Bo: there's another trooper there that's like,

Bo: hey, I want to give you a call because you

Bo: know she's locked herself from the inside

Bo: and said somebody was in there with her,

Bo: but it just sounds like she's a little

Bo: having an episode again.

Bo: This is something that's happened before.

Bo: And Navarro does get inside and we

Bo: understand like, oh, this is her sister who

Bo: has some mental health problems and had

Bo: moved there like move to Ennis, alaska, one

Bo: presumed so that Navarro can kind of keep

Bo: an eye on her.

Duncan: It's also alluded to in here that their

Duncan: mother like had mental health issues, like

Duncan: bad mental health issues, and because the

Duncan: sisters quite to point out that she's not

Duncan: like their mum, and Navarro basically says

Duncan: you know, if you were, though, we can get

Duncan: you help, and she was like no hospitals.

Duncan: No, no, no, absolutely not.

Duncan: That's not why I came here.

Duncan: Maybe I made a mistake moving here and so,

Duncan: like, navarro's not only got all this

Duncan: weight on her shoulders, but she's looking

Duncan: after a sister who appears to be exhibiting

Duncan: similar where it's bipolar or whatever it

Duncan: is, appears to be suffering something very,

Duncan: very similar to what her mum suffered.

Bo: Yeah, like schizophrenia is something like

Bo: that.

Bo: Yeah, we get as we move away from this

Bo: scene.

Bo: We're getting some more shots of the town,

Bo: as Navarro is kind of driving through and

Bo: there's some whispers going on.

Duncan: Whispers all the way through this, by the

Duncan: way.

Bo: Yeah, it's.

Bo: It's real creepy and weird.

Bo: And then we get to back to the sheriff's

Bo: office, where Stacy Chalmers is voicing her

Bo: distress.

Duncan: Yeah, she's basically.

Duncan: She's actual one here.

Bo: It is just way, I really love it.

Bo: Just somebody that's just like.

Duncan: I mean she is just letting the the place,

Duncan: but she's doing it because in the past this

Duncan: is apparently how she's got out, like she's

Duncan: done this more than once, because the tip,

Duncan: like you have, you have Jody Foster and

Duncan: Jody Foster's possible son are in a room

Duncan: together, kind of going over, and this is

Duncan: cut off here.

Duncan: But they specifically talk about how the

Duncan: station's being funded, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Duncan: so where the money comes from.

Duncan: And he's saying that he's like you know,

Duncan: and I'm assuming we will eventually get

Duncan: back to this because we get that some of it

Duncan: comes from a particular part of industry,

Duncan: but there's also this in the background.

Duncan: And she's like right, we'll just keep

Duncan: talking through this.

Duncan: Then, all of a sudden, she hears the door

Duncan: open to the cell and she's like oh no, fuck.

Duncan: So they go straight out and John Hawks is

Duncan: letting her out.

Duncan: You know, you just go.

Duncan: You know I'm gonna sleep this one off.

Duncan: And she's like she's still fucking drunk,

Duncan: like she's not even slept off the booze and

Duncan: we get this great light off.

Duncan: I like I'll take her home.

Duncan: He's like yeah, I know she blows you some

Duncan: time, which, right in front of your

Duncan: possible son, right in front of his father,

Duncan: like just in front of her as well.

Bo: She's like well, and they call out like

Bo: he's got some mail order bride from Vlad of

Bo: Fostock that is coming to live with him.

Duncan: It's like, listen, she's coming over for

Duncan: Christmas and we're going to get married.

Duncan: And she's like, oh, Christmas bed and how

Duncan: festive.

Bo: Yeah, she's pretty like.

Bo: It couldn't be any less judgmental Her

Bo: delivery of these lines.

Bo: She's just like you, piece of shit.

Duncan: She's like.

Duncan: Jody Foster is such a fucking good actress

Duncan: Like I love her in roles like this.

Duncan: She's just great yeah.

Bo: Yeah, Well, she's got a real edge to her

Bo: and and it really suits her.

Bo: So we follow what she says.

Duncan: They put her back in and she basically says

Duncan: listen, by the way, I want the Annie Kay

Duncan: case files.

Duncan: And he's like, why would I have the Annie

Duncan: Kay case files?

Duncan: And she's like maybe you took them home

Duncan: after the flood.

Duncan: And he's like, did I?

Duncan: And you say, yeah, you've got them.

Duncan: He's like, okay, I'll maybe take a look.

Duncan: And she's like, when's that going to happen?

Duncan: He's like I'll get a rim tip.

Duncan: You know what I mean.

Duncan: So it's like this is where I was already

Duncan: starting to think.

Duncan: You seem to be really shifty about that,

Duncan: like no, not in any hurry to do anything

Duncan: about this, which could just be, like you

Duncan: said before, general buffoonery and

Duncan: obstructiveness because they were used to

Duncan: being a relationship.

Duncan: So he's trying to be awkward and she wasn't

Duncan: exactly nice to him beforehand.

Duncan: But the other part of me is like you know,

Duncan: like if this is a cold case and this

Duncan: happened in your time, you would kind of be

Duncan: like or ask more questions, which he

Duncan: doesn't do at all.

Duncan: He couldn't give less of a fuck about this

Duncan: conversation at all, which kind of makes me

Duncan: think could he maybe just being paid to

Duncan: look the other way?

Duncan: Who knows, we will find out.

Bo: Yeah, I like that theory though I'm on

Bo: board with this of him being secretly like

Bo: having covered something up in the past.

Bo: Yeah, and there's a real I'm already

Bo: getting kind of ghost story vibes where

Bo: it's going to be like oh, a bunch of people

Bo: did some shit and then this is being

Bo: visited upon.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: So anyway, so the deputy, our son, like

Bo: Jodie Foster and John Hawks kid, goes to

Bo: his home where he's got a kid of his own

Bo: called Darwin.

Bo: Darwin, yeah, and he is married to a native

Bo: woman as well, yep, and, and they seem to

Bo: have a pretty good relationship up to the

Bo: point they're about to start dry humping in

Bo: front of their kid.

Duncan: But the thing is like the kid has drawn a

Duncan: picture of.

Duncan: Essentially, once again, the Internet gives

Duncan: and it takes away, but the internet has

Duncan: given here an Inuit deity who is a woman

Duncan: missing fingers.

Duncan: All our fingers are chopped off.

Duncan: So, according to what I read online, this

Duncan: is a kind of fabled story about a like a

Duncan: kind of princess, whose father punishes her

Duncan: by essentially trying to drown her and as

Duncan: she clings to the boat that he is kind of

Duncan: peddling away from her, he takes an axe and

Duncan: removes her fingers and each of these

Duncan: fingers drop into the water and become

Duncan: their own entity.

Duncan: And this is, this is what she's doing.

Duncan: So there's a kind of there's a kind of hint

Duncan: to.

Duncan: The internet is speculating that because

Duncan: this is a kid drawing something kind of

Duncan: sinister looking and because two detective

Duncan: has in season one, season three and this

Duncan: season had a kid's drawing indicating

Duncan: something supernatural or case related,

Duncan: that this could be, this could be linked

Duncan: somehow.

Duncan: But he's basically like why is my fucking

Duncan: four year old drawing a blue woman minus

Duncan: fingers, dripping blood?

Duncan: And she's like oh yeah, she was at the

Duncan: grandmother's, like the grandmother looked

Duncan: after at the laundry, and he's like that

Duncan: and doing this and she's like, well, you

Duncan: know she's helping out because you were

Duncan: working late and you know she's there to

Duncan: help.

Duncan: And yeah, like, what's wrong with giving

Duncan: the kids some stories about his heritage?

Duncan: And he's like, well, if the kid has

Duncan: nightmares later on, it's okay if we, you

Duncan: know, you talked to him on the phone and

Duncan: explained why you shouldn't be terrified by

Duncan: this fingerless woman, right?

Bo: And she's like yeah, you handle this yeah.

Duncan: She's like you're such a white boy, and

Duncan: then they get.

Duncan: They get down to like some heavy pain.

Bo: Yeah, and like I'm look, this show has long

Bo: been a proponent of this very thing.

Bo: Yeah, you should be fucking.

Bo: And then the phone starts ringing and he's

Bo: like I got to get the phone because I'm

Bo: like the police here, and she's like uh-huh,

Bo: but let's keep.

Bo: Let's keep dry humping in front of our

Bo: child.

Duncan: Well, it's the fact that the name on it is

Duncan: that a Danvers that comes up on the thing

Duncan: and she's like just what does Danvers want?

Duncan: You don't have to worry about this and it

Duncan: keeps ringing Right.

Bo: And basically she's like it's not the

Bo: police, it's just your mom and she needs to

Bo: stop calling because you're finger-banging

Bo: me right now.

Duncan: I'm about three seconds away here.

Duncan: Let's just focus, yeah.

Bo: And and he shoves her off and I'm like you

Bo: fool, what are you doing?

Bo: And then, sure enough, uh, it's Johnny

Bo: Foster saying like look, uh, you need to

Bo: get something from your dad's house.

Duncan: Dr Licker, I hate it when you call me that

Duncan: you need to get the keybox and say, oh, I

Duncan: don't have to, and she's like, yeah, I need

Duncan: to know.

Duncan: So then we.

Bo: He says no and she's like oh, I must be

Bo: hearing something on the line, there must

Bo: be some kind of interference or something,

Bo: because I thought I heard you say no and

Bo: clearly you would never say no to your

Bo: mother.

Bo: Yeah, you piece of shit, I raised you.

Bo: Um so like so he goes to the Hawks yeah.

Duncan: He goes to like John Hawk is painting the

Duncan: room.

Duncan: The blue is blue color.

Duncan: I've ever seen a a noxious blue color.

Duncan: But he's got the roller out and he's kind

Duncan: of.

Duncan: He's kind of he's just finished painting a

Duncan: bit and he's kind of standing back and he's

Duncan: remarking over the amazing blue room that

Duncan: he's made.

Duncan: And, um, at this point the door goes.

Duncan: He answers the door to his son who comes in

Duncan: and the foot.

Duncan: He's like, oh, what are you doing here?

Duncan: And he's like that I was speaking to Darwin

Duncan: about getting a picture of me when I was

Duncan: his age, so I can show you.

Duncan: And he's like, oh, cool.

Duncan: And then he walked in and he's like that,

Duncan: huh, blue room here.

Duncan: And he's like that.

Duncan: And the first thing he says is that, is it

Duncan: too much?

Duncan: Is it too blue?

Duncan: And he's like I mean he's like so and so,

Duncan: likes blue, whatever.

Duncan: This Vlad of Vlad, stop, woman.

Duncan: Um.

Duncan: And he's like it's not too bad.

Duncan: And then there's a bit of silence and he's

Duncan: like that it's too blue, isn't it?

Duncan: It's too blue.

Duncan: I kind of hope that like and like a couple

Duncan: of episodes, time or so, differentiated

Duncan: blue going on the wall, um yeah.

Bo: a running gag where it's a different color

Bo: every time?

Bo: Yeah.

Duncan: He's like that, do you want a beer?

Duncan: And he's like no, no, no, I'll just go and

Duncan: get my.

Duncan: He's well, I'm going to get a beer.

Duncan: So they go away.

Duncan: He goes into this room where there is a

Duncan: shitload of case files, just like all of

Duncan: the place, which apparently John Hawks

Duncan: saved during some flood, um, and he's

Duncan: stolen there.

Duncan: And of course he instantly finds the Annie

Duncan: Kay file it can't take away in front of his

Duncan: dad's, who opens the window and basically

Duncan: drops the file outside.

Duncan: And as he's just closing the window, his

Duncan: dad comes in and says show me what you took.

Duncan: And it reaches in his back pocket and

Duncan: brings out a photo of I think it's him with

Duncan: his mom.

Bo: Yeah, and he's like yeah, I didn't know, I

Bo: had that picture.

Duncan: Yeah, I didn't know I had that anymore.

Duncan: And then he basically he'd like the the

Duncan: room atmosphere is completely changed.

Duncan: He's like that Watch the slippery shit out

Duncan: there.

Duncan: Um, and then we cut to.

Duncan: I think the next scene is him taking the

Duncan: case files.

Duncan: Or do we jump back to?

Bo: no, there's a quick insert, a Fiona Shaw.

Duncan: Oh, travis is like that Follow me, but he

Duncan: doesn't speak.

Duncan: She's like I will follow you and he's like,

Duncan: yes, and they're just walking out in the

Duncan: middle of fucking nowhere.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, in the middle of nothing, he's

Bo: not.

Duncan: And he's wearing long johns.

Duncan: He's wearing like, like it's not like jeans,

Duncan: right, that is a pair of long johns like

Duncan: thermal, thermal like tight.

Bo: Yeah, it's the clothes you wear under other

Bo: clothes to keep yourself more warm.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: And then we're walking out into that, and

Bo: yeah, and then we go to the sun showing up

Bo: at Jody Foster's place with all the Annie

Bo: Kay stuff and we we get the information

Bo: about that crime, which the gist of it is

Bo: she's found was it near the mind that she's?

Duncan: found near the main in a container.

Duncan: Yeah, she is.

Duncan: She's brutally stabbed 32 times 32 times

Duncan: she's missing her tongue.

Bo: Yeah, star shaped entry wounds.

Duncan: Yes.

Bo: And there's no murder weapon found.

Duncan: No murder weapon.

Duncan: Our tongue is missing and originally she's

Duncan: like she's kind of tries to pass off.

Duncan: And then the kids like, well, maybe I just

Duncan: take the file back to my dad.

Duncan: And she's like you can't fucking bluff her

Duncan: shit.

Duncan: And she's like, right, I'll give you some

Duncan: more information and we get more

Duncan: information on, specifically, navarro's

Duncan: connection to this.

Duncan: So Navarro was the investigating officer

Duncan: and she, she's the one that was brought

Duncan: into first view of the body and she would

Duncan: not let this go.

Duncan: And she started like questioning a lot

Duncan: higher and more uncomfortable people and in

Duncan: this one, specifically the owners of the

Duncan: mine.

Duncan: She apparently rub people up the wrong way.

Duncan: Jody Foster was then at some point brought

Duncan: in and Navarro was taken off the case and

Duncan: busted down to Trip her essentially, and

Duncan: we'll get more detail about that later on.

Duncan: But this is kind of the thing.

Duncan: And of course the kids like and you think

Duncan: this is related and she's like I'm just, I

Duncan: just want to take a look over the phone

Duncan: Once again, Jody Foster playing it very

Duncan: close to the chest.

Duncan: So I'm just just want to take a look over

Duncan: the files, you know, read upon them or

Duncan: whatnot.

Duncan: So we get to feeling that like, like Foster

Duncan: thinks there's something going on here,

Duncan: like Dan, versus all over this.

Duncan: She's like right, this is too bizarre to be

Duncan: a coincidence.

Duncan: I'm going to take a little look back over

Duncan: this case, but it turns out she actually

Duncan: was very well read in before.

Duncan: So what's my case of?

Duncan: You're off the case and then the box goes

Duncan: away.

Duncan: She had looked into it at the time.

Bo: Yeah, and there's a great moment where you

Bo: know her son is pressing her about the case

Bo: and she says this is never going to be

Bo: solved.

Bo: You know, if you want to know who killed

Bo: Annie, the town of Innis killed Annie.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: And nobody will ever answer for this.

Bo: Yeah, so she.

Bo: She's a bit of a fatalist in that way, but

Bo: we also see that, like she's still working,

Bo: she's doing her job.

Duncan: She's doing the true detective thing, which

Duncan: is well.

Duncan: That case is never really closed until it's

Duncan: closed.

Duncan: Yeah, you might not be diverting all your

Duncan: attention to it, but it's in the back of

Duncan: your head.

Duncan: We also get there's a shot here of initial

Duncan: when she's talking about this and we'll get

Duncan: more when she does the true detective

Duncan: putting out the pictures and that great

Duncan: scene where she puts them out in a spiral.

Duncan: But we do get a shot of her back and Annie

Duncan: K has a tattoo.

Duncan: Did you see this tattoo?

Duncan: Uh-uh, it's a spiral tattoo from season one.

Bo: Oh well, of course, the black line.

Duncan: You see the bottom of it.

Duncan: So she had that on her back Once again,

Duncan: probably going to go fucking nowhere, but

Duncan: I'm like, oh, I'm pointing at the screen.

Duncan: Oh, like, okay, leonardo DiCaprio and once

Duncan: a part of Hollywood.

Bo: I'm like, oh, I'm there.

Bo: It's the emotional equivalent of like when

Bo: you go see a band and they replace the name

Bo: of a city with your town.

Bo: Oh, that's what.

Bo: I am.

Bo: So yeah.

Duncan: So she knows where they are.

Duncan: So she's got a tattoo.

Duncan: We're going to see more about this as it

Duncan: kind of passes out.

Duncan: But yeah, we're going to leave this, yeah.

Bo: And then we go with Navar We've talked

Bo: about this already where she goes to this

Bo: dude's house named Kavik, yeah, and just

Bo: fucks him silly, yeah.

Duncan: She lets off steam here, she like, and we

Duncan: find that the Kavik is.

Duncan: He's a bar owner, I think, and he's also he

Duncan: makes his own home brew that he tries to

Duncan: give her.

Duncan: He's like remember, I'm a cop, so you

Duncan: shouldn't be even talking about this.

Bo: Seems like a decent guy, though, and also

Bo: seems like she is working out some shit.

Duncan: Yeah, and he's just like yeah, I think he's

Duncan: like it's indicated that maybe he wants

Duncan: something a little bit more.

Bo: Yeah, yeah.

Bo: Well, because he, you know, once they're

Bo: done fucking which like just watch that

Bo: scene, if nothing else.

Bo: But there is that moment where he's like,

Bo: hey, next time you call, I'm not picking up

Bo: the phone.

Duncan: Yeah, and she's kind of like, yeah, but you

Duncan: get a feeling that maybe he said this

Duncan: before and she's like, yeah, right, and she

Duncan: steals his toothbrush, his SpongeBob

Duncan: SquarePants toothbrush that he likes.

Bo: And because he was offended that he, she,

Bo: was using it.

Bo: Yeah, because he was like, hey, you don't,

Bo: you don't use other people's toothbrushes,

Bo: that's gross.

Bo: And then she just outright steals it.

Bo: He's like, hey, I'm making him bed and it's,

Bo: you know, a degree outside, I'm the mother

Bo: of the police.

Duncan: So yeah, so she leaves with that.

Duncan: She's worked out some stuff, but her night

Duncan: isn't even over, because everything's

Duncan: fucking weird we cut to.

Duncan: Is this where we cut to?

Duncan: Jodie Foster in bed sleeping, no no, no, no,

Duncan: no.

Bo: We get to no two things.

Bo: There's her daughter showing up, you know,

Bo: her adopted daughter, whatever.

Bo: Who is like, hey, are you?

Bo: You know?

Bo: Are you okay about today, cause there was

Bo: the drunk driver?

Bo: It's something about my mother, and Jodie

Bo: Foster is again like I don't have been with

Bo: for this.

Bo: Just go the fuck to bed, I don't have time

Bo: to think about your dead mother.

Duncan: Yeah, so there's well.

Duncan: No, I think the indication is well, she

Duncan: says that you don't have to be my mother.

Duncan: I think the insinuation is that the dad,

Duncan: the person that she was in the relationship,

Duncan: died of drunk driving.

Duncan: I think that's why isn't she's like you

Duncan: know, you don't have to be my mom.

Duncan: I think that's that's what I picked from it.

Bo: So I think that one of the parents is dead

Bo: because of a drunk driver.

Duncan: And we are going to.

Duncan: We are going to unpack that some of that,

Duncan: because that was like very quickly

Duncan: dismissed.

Duncan: I'm going to go and take a shower now.

Duncan: So we're going to, we're going to get into

Duncan: their relationship how that family dynamic

Duncan: works, but also the reason that maybe we

Duncan: weren't like you hypothesized earlier on.

Duncan: She's having the fucking worst day.

Duncan: She's just seen our daughter fucking clam

Duncan: banging another woman or another girl and

Duncan: she's just had my fit.

Bo: Yeah, we didn't talk about this.

Bo: My favorite moment of all of this, which

Bo: she's like.

Bo: I had to watch it.

Duncan: Yeah, like she's literally seen this right.

Duncan: And then she sees someone like an accident,

Duncan: drink, driving and that violent reaction.

Duncan: You thought was tall that before, but it's

Duncan: indicated that actually that might be

Duncan: because she lost a partner.

Duncan: So I'm a partner, I don't mean cop partner,

Duncan: I mean as an although it could have been a

Duncan: cop, we don't know and our payment of this

Duncan: kid so yeah, so that was a lot.

Duncan: We're going to find that, hopefully some

Duncan: stuff there as well.

Bo: So there's some break from there and once

Bo: the other scene then, before we come, so

Bo: the other one is Navarro, with that case of

Bo: Bud heavy she's carried out and I bought a

Bo: bottle of Baileys and she's just like this

Bo: is a fucking, this is, this is what's

Bo: required.

Duncan: I have a little bit of screwed this out my

Duncan: system and now I'm getting my drink on.

Bo: And yeah, and she passes by bucket guy from

Bo: the basically talking about how he's going

Bo: to get her back.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: And so also he's out, by the way.

Duncan: Yeah, yeah.

Duncan: And so, once again as an indication to this

Duncan: town, he beat the shit out of his girl and

Duncan: now he's walking the streets.

Duncan: This Shelly woman fucking was drink driving,

Duncan: crashed her car, could have killed someone

Duncan: and she's likely going to get out.

Duncan: It's like this.

Duncan: Does anyone actually get prosecuted here,

Duncan: or do they just sleep off in the tank?

Bo: Yeah, she also dumped some of the Baileys

Bo: in the dude's casting Just to give it one

Bo: last.

Bo: Fuck you.

Bo: And then this is the moment, finally, that

Bo: you alluded to yeah.

Duncan: So we get two linking things up here

Duncan: straight away that they link back to the

Duncan: opening scene in the Antarctic station.

Duncan: The first one is Jodie Foster's in her bed

Duncan: and as she's sleeping she has this kid's

Duncan: hand come through, like over very fucking G

Duncan: on the grudge.

Duncan: This hand comes over the top of her and is

Duncan: speaking to her and she calls the kid.

Duncan: It's like a boy's name that she mentions

Duncan: and I can't remember what it is.

Duncan: It's like holding or something harrowed or

Duncan: something like that, and the voice says

Duncan: she's awake and she wakes up.

Duncan: There's no one there.

Duncan: Meanwhile, navarro has a similar situation

Duncan: where she's in our car and she's driving

Duncan: along and we're getting all these whispers

Duncan: constantly and then she hears the you know

Duncan: she's awake and as she's stopping the car,

Duncan: a fucking polar bear with one eye, like one

Duncan: eyed fucking polar bear, walks across and

Duncan: stares right at her.

Duncan: Yeah.

Duncan: So we get that scene like once again deer

Duncan: hearing, the same thing that the scientists

Duncan: heard, and then we jump into our first

Duncan: proper kind of true detective scene.

Duncan: And this is right.

Duncan: You know what?

Duncan: We're gonna break out?

Duncan: The coffee, we're gonna break out the case.

Duncan: I can't sleep.

Duncan: Let me go back through the photos.

Duncan: Jody Foster literally takes all the case

Duncan: file photos out and then starts

Duncan: interspersing them with the people from the

Duncan: station that are missing to see if she can

Duncan: find anything at all.

Duncan: And as she's holding a picture of Annie

Duncan: Kaye who's wearing a pink kind of duffel

Duncan: coat thing, she's like, hmm, that rings a

Duncan: bell.

Duncan: And she scans back through and she finds

Duncan: that one of the researchers is wearing a

Duncan: coat.

Duncan: And as she examines the same coat, the same

Duncan: pink coat, as she examines Annie Kaye's one,

Duncan: closer, on the left arm sleeve there is a

Duncan: tear.

Duncan: And when she looks at the photo again,

Duncan: someone's put a essentially a patch and

Duncan: it's a smiley face.

Duncan: The yellow smiley face patch is over the

Duncan: same arm and she's instantly like you know

Duncan: what?

Duncan: That's too much of a quinky dink.

Duncan: I'm gonna go back out to the station here.

Duncan: So she heads up to the station, she walks

Duncan: in, she hears some noises.

Duncan: She's a bit of a jittery I'd be jittery as

Duncan: well in a fucking empty station and she

Duncan: calls out the person there, I've got a gun,

Duncan: she's got a gun and and instantly go bring

Duncan: them back.

Duncan: This is what the people do.

Bo: I was like I can't believe that we didn't

Bo: already get to a.

Bo: He's got a gun, you got a gun.

Duncan: And then Navarro comes round and then we

Duncan: get a bit more of their interaction.

Duncan: So Pierce has some sort of hand over here

Duncan: at some point.

Duncan: So like Navarro was still investigating the

Duncan: case when Foster's character Danvers was

Duncan: brought in, Well, she had been.

Bo: yes, Navarro had been following the case

Bo: because she found the body, as we learned

Bo: in this scene, and it just like she's never

Bo: been able to let it go.

Bo: Jody Foster comes on after John Hawke steps

Bo: down and she's like, hey, you ought to look

Bo: into this case.

Bo: Yeah and Jody, because they have a good

Bo: working relationship, and Jody Foster is

Bo: like Nana.

Bo: That's not a good case.

Bo: I think what we learn, though, or what

Bo: we're learning about Jody Foster, is that

Bo: she it's not because she didn't look into

Bo: the case, it's because she didn't see any

Bo: clear evidence.

Duncan: Yeah, she couldn't see any way to move

Duncan: forward with it and because Navarro

Duncan: wouldn't drop it.

Duncan: Ultimately she is the one that asked

Duncan: Navarro to transfer to the trippers, which

Duncan: is mentioned here.

Duncan: So she's behind that.

Duncan: And of course, danvers is like you know,

Duncan: like I didn't do it because like I'm malice

Duncan: or anything like that.

Duncan: I just did it because you weren't going to

Duncan: survive this, you wouldn't let it go.

Duncan: And they then have this kind of talk about

Duncan: what's why you're here.

Duncan: And she's like that, well, I'm just you

Duncan: know, looking curious and all the rest.

Duncan: And she's like well, I'm just looking to

Duncan: see if any of our positions here like a

Duncan: shoe or like a necklace.

Duncan: And Danvers is like I caught.

Duncan: And she's like I caught.

Duncan: And she's like you did look into this.

Duncan: And she's like, yeah, of course I did.

Bo: And she's like I'm a great fucking cop.

Bo: I mean, get your head around that the

Bo: better.

Duncan: Yeah, and Navarro says something about you

Duncan: know, we always carry these cases with us

Duncan: and Danvers is like, well, no, we don't.

Duncan: And I really liked that moment.

Duncan: Yeah, not everyone, even though she clearly

Duncan: has.

Duncan: There's like there are some people that can

Duncan: be more pragmatic with the job and less

Duncan: personal with the job.

Duncan: You also find out that, like, one of the

Duncan: big reasons that Navarro could never let

Duncan: this go was one that happened to an

Duncan: indigenous woman and she felt that it was

Duncan: swept under the carpet.

Duncan: She basically says, if this has been a

Duncan: white woman, you know you guys would have

Duncan: never fucking stopped.

Duncan: And that's when Jodie Foster's like listen,

Duncan: I wasn't even in charge of the case here.

Duncan: I wasn't even here when it happened.

Duncan: It was you that failed the case, not me.

Duncan: Like you were in charge of it.

Duncan: You like you didn't solve it, it's not my

Duncan: fault.

Duncan: But we also find out that the extent of the

Duncan: details wasn't just when Foster explains

Duncan: that it was the stab in the mutilation.

Duncan: It's the detail you get from the bar here

Duncan: about like once she was dead, they kicked

Duncan: her ribs and they continued to beat up and,

Duncan: you know, butcher the body, physically,

Duncan: abuse her body and just that.

Duncan: That shits beyond.

Duncan: There's like it's so fucking evil that

Duncan: she's never been able to let it go.

Duncan: It's never left her, and they can't find

Duncan: the jacket though, like at all.

Duncan: And we get more kind of pithy remarks about

Duncan: her spirit animal and her spirit, kelly,

Duncan: what's your, what's your spirits telling

Duncan: you Meanwhile?

Bo: I'm crazy responses.

Bo: My spirit animal says you've got a real

Bo: shitty fuck which I love, which is very

Bo: funny which redeems the spirit animal, like,

Bo: yeah, the shit like you for breakfast.

Duncan: But meanwhile we jump to Fiona Shaw's

Duncan: character and she's getting the full red

Duncan: room treatment, right, she's getting the

Duncan: fucking like Travis is doing like

Duncan: interpretive dance and you know kind of

Duncan: spooky shit.

Duncan: And then it all culminates with him

Duncan: pointing to an area on nice and we see her

Duncan: kind of look over but we don't see what

Duncan: they all see.

Duncan: And then we get the phone call at the

Duncan: research station where the kids like listen,

Duncan: fiona Shaw's character, rose Agnew, she's

Duncan: seen something on the ice.

Duncan: And then we essentially cut to them

Duncan: arriving on the scene and this is like some

Duncan: real fucking client.

Duncan: And once again but to mention references

Duncan: also, lopez said as inspirations for this

Duncan: directly she influenced the Mary Celeste

Duncan: but also the Dilly Toph pass, and we get a

Duncan: real Dilly Toph pass kind of meets the

Duncan: thing seen here, because at first they're

Duncan: walking past towards what they're going to

Duncan: find and then, and you know, varo says to

Duncan: Rose how did you find this?

Duncan: And she's like oh well, travis showed me.

Duncan: And she's like Travis is dead.

Duncan: And she's like I know what you say.

Duncan: Yeah, no shit.

Duncan: Obviously Like, did you see what was we're

Duncan: going to come out here.

Duncan: He could never dance like that in real life.

Duncan: Only as a spirit could you find the power

Duncan: of rhythm.

Bo: Only did he have the Julie Cruz inspired

Bo: rhythm, the ethereal dancing.

Duncan: I heard of it Harley's like since he died

Duncan: he's been binge watching Twin Peaks.

Bo: Right, because he wasn't touching his nose.

Bo: I'm not really near the mark, that kind of

Bo: shit.

Bo: Like it is, it's like holy shit, duncan.

Duncan: Yeah, but like so, like she fully knows

Duncan: this.

Duncan: We cut across and we see what they see,

Duncan: which is three human men frozen in terror

Duncan: in the ice.

Duncan: And it's not just that they're on top of

Duncan: the ice and frozen, they are buried in the

Duncan: ice Like so they didn't.

Duncan: This isn't just like three days worth it,

Duncan: like somehow they've ended up embedded in

Duncan: the ice and died screaming yes, they're in

Duncan: terror.

Duncan: Well, the actual flow on terror I couldn't

Duncan: make out from the three that were there and

Duncan: we'll probably find out in the next episode

Duncan: who the three people are in relation to the

Duncan: team.

Duncan: But it does set up a bounty of questions as

Duncan: to where we're going.

Duncan: But we kicked the credits there and like I

Duncan: am rock hard.

Duncan: I'm just like this is this is my shit,

Duncan: right here.

Duncan: This is this is what 2024 is all about.

Duncan: Yeah, this is like a killer opening Tons of

Duncan: threads, tons of ideas like lots of

Duncan: different avenues we could go down.

Duncan: This could be there's something in the

Duncan: water because of the mines, like as is

Duncan: indicated in the dimension, the kind of the

Duncan: Jills Verne story.

Duncan: I think there's something in that story

Duncan: about magnets, so like the magnetism of

Duncan: that part of the world drove everyone mad.

Duncan: So there could be a bit of that.

Duncan: There could just be a bona fide serial

Duncan: killer here at work and that message is

Duncan: kind of like a con on the board.

Duncan: You know and you know he's like one of his

Duncan: trophies.

Duncan: He's leaving his trophy to see his act of a

Duncan: game.

Duncan: It could be a bit of that.

Duncan: It could be a.

Duncan: You mentioned before a case of these

Duncan: research guys.

Duncan: Come across this girl, take advantage of

Duncan: her, end up killing her and then putting

Duncan: her out of the mines as a way to distract

Duncan: attention.

Duncan: Right to throw, yeah, and something happens

Duncan: that basically triggers them all like a

Duncan: mass psychosis and their and their research

Duncan: station.

Duncan: Loads of options here and is the is is the

Duncan: she's awake we're referring to?

Bo: are we talking about Annie?

Bo: I don't know Where's.

Duncan: Annie.

Duncan: Where's Annie?

Duncan: I don't know.

Duncan: You know what I mean.

Duncan: There's a reason she's called Annie, right

Duncan: yeah?

Duncan: And are you, ok.

Duncan: Ok, annie Kay.

Duncan: So I'm just delighted Michael Jackson was

Duncan: behind the whole fucking thing.

Duncan: No, I think, I don't know, I don't like,

Duncan: because there's also, like I said before,

Duncan: the idea of this kind of in you at goddess

Duncan: being a woman as well.

Duncan: I don't like, I don't like, I don't know.

Duncan: It's weird to was mentioned various times,

Duncan: but also is very, very, very strange that

Duncan: there seems to be a lot of connections to

Duncan: something that happened three days ago.

Duncan: It drove the animals crazy, it's turned the

Duncan: water bad and all these people at this

Duncan: station are missing and a six year old case

Duncan: is all of a sudden open again.

Bo: It's true, it's active man, it's good stuff.

Bo: I really enjoyed it.

Bo: Like I said, I hadn't been keeping up with

Bo: the internet response to it, so I, if you

Bo: had told me, yes, season one, diehards are

Bo: like well, it's as good as season one.

Bo: It's like well, fucking.

Bo: Of course no one had ever seen anything

Bo: like this.

Duncan: And it's hard to recreate that.

Duncan: If you could ever recreate that.

Bo: Right, like do something wildly different

Bo: every time you make a TV show.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: Good Lord, you did it once.

Bo: Congratulations.

Bo: You're not going to do it four times in a

Bo: row, yeah.

Bo: So that aside, that kind of nonsense aside,

Bo: I really like the mystery.

Bo: I like the fact that we don't yet know.

Bo: Yes, it definitely is leaning into kind of

Bo: supernatural stuff, but, given given the

Bo: framing of unreliable narration, yeah is

Bo: the supernatural stuff.

Bo: We see more evidence of people's psychology

Bo: than it is actual supernatural shit.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: Or are we going to lean into supernatural

Bo: shit?

Bo: Are we going to finally have the true

Bo: detective season where it's like guess what

Bo: ghosts are real?

Duncan: Yeah, I mean, I mean I could, I could very

Duncan: well.

Duncan: We've been hinting at and almost every

Duncan: season, like almost every minus season, to

Duncan: the kind of supernatural element is kind of

Duncan: has been there, it's been, it's been

Duncan: underpinning something of whether or not

Duncan: it's like there's more belief than anything

Duncan: else, is belief in something which is

Duncan: inherently scary because it's Pagan or it's

Duncan: you know, it's it's perceived as being evil.

Duncan: That the idea that we are we're dealing

Duncan: with like characters who in some way feel

Duncan: like they come from, like a belief system

Duncan: of some description.

Duncan: And that idea of belief means science,

Duncan: because what they will remember, these are

Duncan: fucking six, seven scientists that are

Duncan: missing and they're doing like science on

Duncan: the ground on what might be an area which

Duncan: is deeply spiritual and they themselves

Duncan: could.

Duncan: And then there's a whole idea of just like

Duncan: the most simple thing cabin fever like one

Duncan: person goes mad, like one person who's done

Duncan: a horrible thing, like goes mad at the

Duncan: trigger of something, ends up killing

Duncan: everyone.

Duncan: I don't think the weird thing is I think

Duncan: we're going to, I think we're going to see

Duncan: the phone footage, I think that's going to

Duncan: come out at some point, but the idea of

Duncan: them all being there's no blood in the room,

Duncan: no evidence of a struggle.

Duncan: They weren't there, and three of them are

Duncan: being found miles away buried in ice.

Duncan: It's just too tempting man.

Duncan: It's just too tempting.

Bo: Yeah, it's really good.

Bo: The only thing that I want from episode two

Bo: is I wanted to begin with Diane.

Bo: Who'd have thought my time in the Federal

Bo: Bureau of Invection investigation would

Bo: take me north of the Arctic Circle?

Bo: I've booked a room in a local hotel.

Bo: Across the hall from me is a psychotic

Bo: woman who, Trooper sister, keeps showing up

Bo: in on hours, but they seem like good enough

Bo: people.

Duncan: Oh man, let me get shot in this and falls

Duncan: over and then, like a man, delivers a warm

Duncan: glass of milk and just keeps asking them if

Duncan: they're OK.

Duncan: Yeah, that'll be over the moon.

Duncan: Yeah, there's plenty to mine from here.

Duncan: I'm super curious to see where they go.

Duncan: I think, because it's only six episodes, I

Duncan: don't think we're going to be left with a

Duncan: ton of mystery all the way through this.

Duncan: I get feeling that, narratively speaking,

Duncan: we're going to make a lot around the next

Duncan: episode.

Bo: I mean in theory.

Bo: The end of the next episode is the end of

Bo: Act One.

Duncan: Yes, and also, if anything has been shown

Duncan: thus far to the tech, the mid episode is

Duncan: always the one where you get like the

Duncan: showstopper episode.

Duncan: You know.

Duncan: It's the one where, like, we got the kind

Duncan: of the scene where they rescue the, the

Duncan: witness, from inside the kind of drug town.

Duncan: And season two it was a big shoot out.

Duncan: I can't remember what it did in season

Duncan: three, but like always that midpoint thing,

Duncan: midpoint season, is episode three in this,

Duncan: so we're not far off it.

Duncan: So, yeah, I think I'm expecting big things.

Duncan: I really really am.

Duncan: I love where this is going.

Duncan: Like yourself, if they want to lean in much

Duncan: more horror and supernatural, why not?

Duncan: They're all their own things.

Duncan: Every season should have a different feel

Duncan: and a different vibe because it's different

Duncan: people in this different story.

Duncan: So, yeah, looking forward to it.

Bo: Yeah, it's really having a ball with it.

Bo: So far, all right.

Bo: So early theories we've certainly you've

Bo: espoused the one about John Hawk.

Bo: I think he's on the tick.

Bo: Yeah, I like that I said in my business

Bo: about hey, I think there's going to be a

Bo: ghost story S kind of vibe to this, where

Bo: Annie will have been killed by the

Bo: researchers and not.

Bo: I think the mind is going to be a MacGuffin.

Duncan: I think you're probably right.

Duncan: I think the main has probably paid off John

Duncan: Hawks to not continue investigating purely

Duncan: because of the optics, rather than it was

Duncan: the miners that did it, which kind of feels

Duncan: a bit a bit too on the nose and a bit easy.

Duncan: So yeah.

Bo: Yeah, and you know, one thing that we know

Bo: about True Detective also is that every

Bo: season is kind of about how money and power

Bo: will get you out of shit, always, always.

Bo: And so the mind, I think, is a good way to

Bo: say that, while still not being the anyway,

Bo: it's so early like that.

Bo: Like you said, I'm so excited by the sheer

Bo: variety of directions this could go.

Duncan: Yeah, let's put it this way.

Duncan: I don't think there's a very good chance

Duncan: that we could get to the end of this, and

Duncan: none of what we've said is right.

Bo: And I'd be like cool with that.

Bo: Oh yeah, I would love it if they're like

Bo: hey, left turn, we've solved the Solol

Bo: thing.

Bo: And actually that just leads us to another

Bo: question about this other group.

Bo: You know the people funding Solol.

Duncan: There is a mention specifically of whoever

Duncan: owns the.

Duncan: Mine was being investigated by Navarro and

Duncan: that was the big no.

Duncan: No, yeah, because she mentioned the Danvers

Duncan: mentions it to her son.

Duncan: She's like I even.

Duncan: She even went as far as to investigate its

Duncan: own son.

Duncan: Oh shit, or that.

Duncan: So that's a character that very well may

Duncan: appear in an upcoming episode, and we

Duncan: always get those.

Duncan: We always get the person behind the

Duncan: business, behind the company.

Duncan: The person's at the top is always as a

Duncan: character that comes in, generally as the

Duncan: villain, but not necessarily always.

Duncan: But yeah, I think we're, I think we're

Duncan: we're in for a good one.

Duncan: But all I know is I'm glad to be back doing

Duncan: DBCC and I'm glad to be doing true

Duncan: detective.

Bo: So yeah, yeah, it's very exciting, All

Bo: right, well, we'll be back next week.

Bo: Between now and then, duncan, where can

Bo: people find more out of your business?

Duncan: Yes, please check out my podcast podcast

Duncan: under the stairs, currently working through

Duncan: my top 20 horror movies of 2023 by 10.

Duncan: This episode drops, I will have concluded

Duncan: the back half and we'll be moving on to the

Duncan: essentially 10 through through one which

Duncan: will be dropping in between this episode

Duncan: and the next episode dropping.

Duncan: So, yeah, I go and check that

Duncan: teapotscastcom or at teapotscast on YouTube

Duncan: where I'm now putting all my stuff.

Bo: So great and as always, you can find this

Bo: and more not only at Duck and Bo comes

Bo: quick, but with the Dark Parade which has

Bo: all the other shenanigans, I get up to most

Bo: recently an episode with Kate Pollock in

Bo: which we discuss the movie Black Swan and

Bo: also a woman who claims to be in a

Bo: relationship with an ethereal alien

Bo: creature.

Bo: Who's to prove she isn't?

Bo: You know it's hard to prove a negative, so

Bo: it's hard to.

Bo: But you know, like that whole segment

Bo: started about people who dated ghosts and

Bo: has just turned into people who just date

Bo: weird shit, and but I love it.

Bo: It's one of my favorite things that I get

Bo: to do on the regular.

Bo: So but that's it.

Bo: Between now and then, Please check out all

Bo: the stuff Duncan mentioned.

Bo: Please drop by Dark Parade, and we will be

Bo: back in a week with more true detective and

Bo: more answers and a hell of a lot more

Bo: questions.

Bo: So until then, the only thing left for me

Bo: to do is to say to my good friend Duncan

Bo: say good night, Duncan.

Duncan: I'm just going to make that as long as I

Duncan: thought you deliberately done that and I

Duncan: was like I will have to stop recording.