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A faith-forward podcast for people who love Jesus but also love being honest about how weird and wonderful life can be. Hosts Kerrye and Jill tell stories about the Bible, talk about their faith, and dig into what it looks like to follow God through the ordinary chaos of everyday, imperfect life. Real conversations. Real stories. No pretending to have it all together. Pull up a chair, turn the page, and let's go.
Welcome back to Chapter and
Verse Junior with Dewey and Jill.
This is a fun place for kids
to learn about God, the Bible,
and how much Jesus loves you.
So buckle up for today's story
because this is one adventure
you are not gonna wanna miss.
Let's go
. All right.
Today we're here with Dewey.
Me.
And we have special guest
Smarty with us today.
Yay.
Smarty, do you wanna tell us a
little bit about yourself since
maybe not everybody knows you?
How come you didn't ask
me to tell about myself?
Dewey.
You told about- Well-
Not today you didn't.
Well, today, no, 'cause
you've done this before.
People have gotten to know you.
Okay.
Listen, we're gonna be kind to our guest.
I'm trying.
Are you?
I am.
Okay.
Okay, Smarty, let's hear about yourself.
Well, see, that, that's why I didn't
wanna come on 'cause I knew you were
gonna dominate the conversation.
I'm not.
This is, this is an interesting dynamic.
Smarty, tell me just about Smarty.
Smarty is the smartest puppet.
The smartest, bar none.
See?
I mean, I know your name is Smarty,
and I know you have the Bible memorized
like Dean Caldwell, but- ⦠you
don't have to brag on yourself.
Do you have the Bible
memorized like Dean Caldwell?
Can you, like, see the pages in your head?
Well, not the page
numbers, put it that way.
Okay.
The verses and scriptures, yes.
Oh.
Okay.
Okay.
But he is- Okay, is that it?
Is that- He is.
Is that it?
Dewey, are we done now?
Do you ha- No.
No.
We gotta talk about Jesus and the Bible.
We got a whole story that
we're gonna go through.
Don't we, Smarty?
If we talk about Jesus and the
Bible, that's gonna take a long time.
Well, we're just gonna talk a little bit.
We're gonna talk about one part.
What are we gonna talk about?
I didn't even know what you
were gonna say, so what are
we talking about, Miss Jill?
We are going to talk about
forgiving- Of course ⦠each other.
Of course.
Well, Dewey, I think it's a
lesson you might need to learn.
And Smarty needs to learn it
too What are you talking about?
You- I know all about Jesus
and the Bible Well, forgiving.
Oh, I thought we were talking
about Jesus and the Bible.
Well, we are, but we're gonna talk
about how Jesus taught us to forgive.
Okay.
That's not what I was told.
I was bo- brought here under a
different, different pretenses.
What pretense were you brought here under?
That we were gonna talk about Jesus and
the Bible and my favorite scripture.
Okay.
Well, we can do that.
Okay.
Let's do that.
You wanna do that first or after?
John 11:35.
Okay.
Jesus wept.
Oh.
Of course it would be number after.
Why do you know that?
It was the easiest one to memorize.
Well, of course, but that's
not what we're talking about.
Oh.
Well, it was gonna be a quick episode.
Okay.
Well, no.
Yeah.
It's gonna be a long one.
All right.
Well, now it's a double episode.
How about that?
All right, Ms.
Jill, let's see it.
Okay.
So , this story is found in Matthew
chapter 18, and it starts in verse 21.
You want- All right, let's go.
I'm like- Don't let him, don't let
him brag and start telling it himself.
He has to listen.
Okay.
You gotta listen, Smarty.
Okay.
You- I'm listening ⦠you don't
need to boss though- Okay ⦠Dewey?
All right.
Here we go.
Try to listen, Smarty.
It says- That was nicer Go
ahead, sorry ⦠this Peter.
Sorry.
Nope, not even.
You've got me, you got me- All
right ⦠all flustered now, Dewey.
Be nice.
Goodness.
All right.
Then Peter came to talk to Jesus.
He asked, "Lord, if another believer
does wrong things against me,
how many times must I-" Wonder
what was being done to him.
I don't know.
But, and actually, he says, "Does
wrong things against me many times.
How many times should I forgive him?"
He must've had a brother.
You know, he's really confused, Dewey is.
Maybe you need to read out of a Message.
Well, I'm reading out of Easy English,
which is what we normally use.
Oh, okay.
So I think he just- Easy English ⦠he
just likes to ask questions as we go.
I do.
I, I do the King James Version,
'cause if it was good enough for the
Apostle Paul, it's good enough for me.
I don't think Apostle Paul did King James,
just- I, I think you're wrong ⦠you're
a smarty, you're a smarty puppet, but King
James definitely came after Apostle Paul.
It's good enough for Dean.
I don't really know the timeline
here, but I think King James is it.
He thinks he knows everything.
King James definitely came
after the Apostle Paul.
Okay.
Well, we'll, we'll have to look at
the timeline after this- He didn't
speak English ⦠'cause I don't know.
All right.
Okay.
So he's, he's saying, "If, if
a believer does wrong things
against me a lot of times, how
many times should I forgive him?
Must I forgive him as many as seven
times for the wrong things- Seven
that he has done against me?"
That's a lot.
Yes.
'Cause, you know- You're way past that.
Don't worry about that.
What do you mean?
You're, you're way past the seven
times that you've wronged me.
What have I done to you?
Okay, we don't have
that long of a podcast.
Just name one thing.
One thing.
You mistreated me and talked bad about me.
Guilty.
I guess.
Dewey, you have done that.
All right.
See, and I've been perfect.
Nope.
No.
I don't think that's the case, Smarty.
I think we're all flawed.
No.
You s- you've said stuff about me.
Maybe not, maybe not on a podcast.
But if it's true, then
is it really a bad thing?
Sometimes, yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not always- Just 'cause you think
it, you don't have to say it.
Oh, okay.
And just 'cause it's true doesn't mean
it, doesn't mean you need to say it.
Mine wasn't true about me.
But let's move on.
Mm.
Let's move on.
Let's move on.
So Jesus says, "I do not
say only seven times.
I say-" No, he was just
like, "One is fine."
Y- you should not have interrupted there.
Oh, sorry.
'Cause you're gonna find out.
"I say you should forgive him 77 times."
What?
Yep.
I think it's 70 times 7, because see,
that's, that's what it's supposed to be.
That's why you should be
reading the King James version.
Okay.
Plus I don't understand you're not
having enough thous and hither,
hitherts and- Okay ⦠this wills
and- All right ⦠things like that.
'Cause I'm simple and I
don't like all that stuff.
So we will go- I can't
understand it ⦠to theâ¦
Do you want the King James
or the New King James?
I want the Aramaic Bible.
Oh, I don't have that on my app.
How about the Hebrew?
I can't speak Hebrew.
I think just do the King James, goodness.
Okay.
Let's see if we can find it.
It's so complicated.
King James version.
How about the New Living Translation?
The EDT.
Why?
Does it- Or the student
Bible ⦠LEV, MS- MSG.
What's the other ones?
MSG, isn't that what you put
on Chinese food or something?
I don't put it on there.
Oh.
But it does give me a headache.
Now I'm hungry for Chinese.
Yeah.
Me too.
Okay, Smartie, I have
the King James version.
So here we go.
I'm gonna read the entire passage again.
So we're starting in verse 21.
Yeah, I really like the New
Living Translation sometimes.
Okay.
But you specified, so this is
what we're going with, Smartie.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
So it says, "Then Peter came
to him and said, 'Lord, how oft
shall my brother sin against me?'"
Oft.
"And I forgive him?"
What does that mean?
It means often.
Oft.
He was in a hurry.
He was in a hurry.
How oft?
Sounds British.
Well, King James.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
"How oft shall my brother sin against
me and I forgive him, till seven times?
And Jesus sayeth unto him."
Sayeth.
"I say not unto thee until seven
times, but until 70 times 7."
That's 490.
How did you do that so quick?
Well, 'cause I've had it
memorized and I've-- I know.
Oh.
Okay, so do you think that- Hey, can
we change our names to King James?
Can I be called Dewithy?
Would it be Dewithy or
would it be Dewieth?
I
like Dewithy.
Dewithy.
Smartothy.
Smartoth?
Yeah, I think that would be it.
Smartoth.
Smartoth.
I mean- What's yours, Jill?
Jillethy?
Jillethy?
Why would it be Jillethy?
My name is not Jilly.
No, it is not Jilly.
I am Smartoth of Russeleth.
Smartoth of Russeleth.
I like Smartothy and Dewithy.
Okay.
Well, let that happen.
Okay, sorry.
Let's go back.
Like what?
I got distracted.
So- So 70 times 7.
Yes.
Which is 490.
490.
Mm-hmm.
So I only have to give- So
you're getting up there.
Hey, I only have to give you 490 times.
I think I'm 489 today.
Well, that's funny that you should
mention it, because what Jesus
actually was d- referring to is a
little bit more complicated than that.
Not funny?
I mean, not funny wouldn't
be- Is this gonna be aâ¦
You said it's funny I should mention it.
Is this gonna be a funny story?
Okay.
Sorry, not funny.
Okay.
I don't do complications very well.
Interesting.
I mean, I have the, the verse
memorized, but I really, to be
honest, don't know what it means.
Okay.
See, that's what I was gonna explain.
Finally.
Finally, and there's the truth.
Been waiting for that.
Well, he's-- Smart people
will admit when they're wrong.
It's like being in a counseling session.
It really is.
And I am- Check him
out ⦠I am not a counselor.
All right.
Uh-huh.
So what Jesus meant was
490 times per occurrence.
What?
So every- That's really not funny.
So let's just pretend that we're
discussing you and Smarty, and
every time that you say that Smarty
is mean to you, every single time
you have to forgive him 490 times.
Why are we focused on that?
Why don't we focus on the
times that Dewey's mean to me?
We can focus on that too.
You need to- August 7th of last year.
Okay, 490 times.
What'd I do?
You know what you did.
I don't remember.
So I have to forgive him 490 times?
Yes, for that occurrence.
And then- Let me see ⦠also-
There's 365 days in a year.
I've thought about it every
day, so we're getting close.
No.
So it's every day, like per day,
490 times per day, per occurrence.
Every single time you think about it.
So you go through 490 in one day,
and the next day when you think
about it, you gotta do it 490.
Okay.
I can't count that high.
It's every time, every thought- Oh,
look who's not so smart ⦠is 490.
I can't count that high.
I don't think anybody can.
Thought your name was Smarty.
Sorry.
I'm- Well, it's not, it's
not County ⦠I'm- I'm wound
up ⦠Dewey, Dewey, you are wound up.
Or I'm really seeing the dynamic here,
and I think you might be the aggressor
Of course not I don't wanna
talk about it right now.
Just go on.
Okay, so 490 times that we're gonna
forgive every time you think about
it, which means when you wake up in
the morning and you think about it,
490 times of thinking about it starts
over every time you think about it.
Oh my goodness.
So since August 7th- Which is- ⦠has
been this many days times 490 each day.
Okay, that's a lot.
Yeah.
How much is it?
Uh, too many.
Too many.
A bunch.
A bunch of numbers.
Well, Jesus' point was that- It's like
over 150,000 ⦠Jesus' point was that
we need to constantly forgive, that
we're never gonna reach a point where
we aren't required to forgive someone.
You know, see, this is good because if you
constantly forgive, that's the best way
to become Dewey's friend because you have
to be in that mode of constantly forgiving
Well, because of all the bad
things you did I'm really nice
to Roscoe Where is Roscoe today?
He's- We should've brought
Roscoe ⦠he's getting ready for
a national fine arts competition.
He's in one of the puppet things.
Oh.
He's working out.
That sounds cool.
He's working out today and getting a tan.
He's getting a tan?
He's in a black light competition.
Oh, so he's gotta get prepared for that?
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, that's neat.
Yeah.
Maybe we can have him and some of
the other puppets that were- He
d- Hey, remember he doesn't talk.
Aw.
He can't be on a podcast.
Yeah, just give him a dead mic.
He, he won't know the difference.
Yeah, he's here.
It's just like having him here right now.
You guys, that's not nice.
Roscoe doesn't talk, but w- he,
he can maybe come and watch and
we can put him in the pictures.
Hey, I like it that he doesn't talk.
I don't have to forgive him
He does things, like not
to me He does things to me.
You gotta forgive him, Smarty.
Oh, I shouldn't have brought it up.
Hey, you gotta forgive him.
You have to forgive anyway,
whether you bring it up or not.
490 times.
Mm-hmm.
490 times.
Okay, well that's still gonna
be like 150 something thousand,
so that's too many to count.
Well, we're gonna have to-
So I just gotta forgive.
Yep.
You can't keep count?
You c- you're not supposed to keep count.
Jesus' whole thing was like, you have
to forgive so that he can forgive you.
A lot of- 'Cause if you're not
forgiving, he can't forgive you.
Okay.
Dewey, I forgive you for more than
200,000 things you've done f- to
me, and thank you for forgiving me
the two things I've done to you.
200 things.
200,000 things.
200 million things.
So okay, it's just gonna
take a lot of practice.
Yep.
That's okay.
Sounds like you guys have plenty
of opportunity to practice.
We live next to each other.
Yeah.
Soâ¦
In the puppet closet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thankfully not in the same box.
Nope.
I w- I wouldn't stand for that.
So, okay.
I think that we should remind each other.
How we gonna do that?
Well, just tap on the box and ask, you
know, because we're next door, basically.
Or maybe we could send Roscoe
to go talk to each other.
Roscoe doesn't talk.
He doesn't talk.
Oh, that's right.
That was gonna be easier.
All right.
Well, I'll come and just
say, "Please forgive me of
what I've done to you today."
And then you willâ¦
Forgive you.
That's not what I was thinking.
You will also- Oh, oh yeah, I will
also say, "Yes, I forgive you."
No.
Well, I got to, 490 times.
But then you can say after that.
Oh yeah, if I have done, if there's
any possible way I could, you know,
probably messed up and done anything
to you, then please forgive me also.
That's gonna take a lot of saying.
It is gonna take, it's
gonna take a long time, Ms.
Jill.
I don't think we can do this.
I think you could probably abbreviate
it as long as you guys are both
comfortable and understanding
of what your abbreviation is.
Like, what do you guys think?
Like- We'll just say it really fast like
you do with the challenges with the kids.
Yeah.
Okay.
Please forgive everything I've done.
Please forgive everything
I've done to you today.
I think that's still too long.
Maybe- And then we need to say,
to remind each other to pray.
Yeah.
Please forgive me for
everything I've done and pray.
Please forgive everything I've done today.
Pray.
That's gonna take too long.
Yes.
Maybe just- We're, we're gonna
just- Maybe just the pray part.
How about just the uh, pray Huh.
Pray.
Yeah, let's just say- Yeah ⦠uh, pray.
And then we'll know.
That'll be like our code.
Uh, pray.
I like it.
But we can't- I like it
too ⦠but we can't tell anybody.
No.
It's gotta stay a secret.
Let's not tell anybody, and let's
t- and we just know that the uh
stands for please forgive me.
Yes.
So can we- Yeah ⦠just not tell anybody?
It's a little late for that.
Why?
We're on a podcast.
Well, I mean, you know.
Yeah, but we're on a podcast.
What does that mean?
It's out there.
What do you mean?
It's out there for everyone to know.
Who's listening to this?
Everybody.
All the people.
I thought this was an audio diary.
No.
Dewey, you knew it wasn't an audio diary.
You talked about- I thought you listened
to it ⦠s'mores and all the things.
Well, I forgot.
I came prepared.
I knew exactly what it was.
Did you research this?
Oh, I, I'm sorry for,
um, making fun of you.
There, look at that.
I'm better than you.
He's already practicing it.
E- except he broke the code.
He didn't say, "Uh, pray."
Oh, that's right.
Uh.
All right.
That's very nice.
How many times should we say this a day?
It's 490?
It's just, like, at the end of the day.
More than 490.
Okay.
End of the day we'll say it.
We don't have to ask
for it that many times.
We just have to forgive that many times.
That's true.
It, it could work.
This is gonna be a challenge.
All right.
Maybe we should- We'll
have to have an update.
We will have to have an update.
M- Smartie, we'll have
to come back All right.
So we need to ask Smarty the
question you ask all the other
guests All the grown-ups.
See, how did you not know it wasâ¦
If you know you ask the guests, how
do you not know this was a- I forgot.
I'm not as smart as you.
'Cause I came prepared.
You know what?
I knew what it was.
You know what my brain's made out of.
You thought it was a diary?
Oh my goodness.
You know what my brain is made out of?
His brain is made out of the same stuff.
I think mine's feathers.
Maybe it's just a higher quality cotton.
I think mine's feathers actually,
'cause one came out of my ear once.
Really?
Interesting.
It was yellow.
It was yellow?
I think that's your hair, Dewey.
Oh, I forgot.
Your hair- See ⦠is like feathers.
I, I don't know.
I think so.
Maybe Smarty has, um, higher
quality cotton in his head.
I don't know.
I'm pretty old.
He's a cotton-headed ninny muggins.
Did you just make that up?
Did you get that from something?
I watched it on a movie.
On a movie.
All right, yeah, but Smarty, we do ask
the, um, the other guests that we have
if you could go back and watch any Bible
story other than the crucifixion and
the resurrection, 'cause everybody would
wanna see that, except it'd be hard.
But anyway, besides that- I
can't go back and watch Brandon
Motley do any of this stuff?
No.
Okay.
No.
You can just come watch him.
Yeah.
Go watch the retro play?
Yeah, watch the retro play at church.
Um, weâ¦
But which, which Bible
story would you wanna know?
Well, I need to change it now.
Oh.
Because mine is about revenge,
and I was thinking about Dewey.
Revenge.
You could still watch it
and learn something from it.
It's from Judges 15:4 and 5.
All right.
It's when Samson got revenge
over the Philistines.
What'd he do?
He caught 300 foxes, and he tied their
tails together in pairs and put a torch
on the end of it and let 'em loose,
and they ran through the Philistines'
fields, and it burned everything.
I think that would be hilarious.
I had never heard that story.
I also wanted to pick something
that nobody had ever, no,
that had not already said.
Has somebody already picked that one?
No, no one's picked tying to foxtails
together and lighting them on fire.
Samson was a jerk.
Yeah.
He ti- well, no, he tied them
together and he put a torch on
the end of them and let 'em loose.
He tied their tails together, though.
That's not very nice.
Yeah, but it was against the Philistines.
He owed 'em.
I mean, they were mean.
But what about the foxes?
I didn't think about that.
Like, it wasn't nice to the foxes.
Yeah, I didn't think about that either.
Yeah.
Do you think they lived?
I don't know That was sad.
Yeah.
I don't know.
He needs to go ask their
forgiveness 490 times.
He sure does.
He sure does, to every fox.
Maybe they're in heaven and
they've already made peace.
Listen, PETA would've had
a field day with that.
What's a PETA?
What's a PETA?
That's making me hungry now too.
It's a wildlife-- or not wildlife, animal-
Are y'all gonna have Pastor Chris on?
conservation.
Wow.
On, on a kids episode?
On a kids episode?
Maybe.
Yeah, let's do it.
Is he g- is he gonna, is he gonna
pick that same story, you think?
Connie picked a different one.
I doubt it.
I don't, I don't know.
I've never heard that story.
I've never heard it either.
Well, you need to memorize the Bible
like me, because that's why I'm awesome.
I, I wonder if Brother Dean- I'm
sure he knows it ⦠chose that one.
Oh.
Would he have chosen it?
Probably not.
We need to learn more about that.
Congratulations, Smarty.
You just gave us the most obscure story.
There you go.
I like it.
I'm gonna go read about it.
Smarty, you made me feel good.
Well, good.
Do I have to ask forgiveness for that one?
No.
Oh.
No, that's a nice thing.
That was a good thing.
Oh.
Yep.
Okay.
Well, I've been sitting here- Well,
don't tell Roscoe I did something nice.
I don't want him- He, he
probably listens to this.
Oh, no.
We need to go back and do this over.
Let's go do this.
I mean, are you afraid of
losing your street cred, Smarty?
Yes.
Yes.
Well, I'm sitting here getting
hungry because we mentioned- Me
too ⦠two different kinds of foods.
Yeah.
PETA.
Chinese and pita bread.
Oh, I didn't hear the pita bread.
I wasn't paying attention.
It wasn't pita bread.
It's a, it's an animal- Animal
organization- Yeah ⦠she said,
that, that animals get together
and- Oh, to protect the animals.
It's people who protect the animals.
The animals protect themselves.
It, I think it's, it, I think
it stands for the People for the
Ethical Treatment of Animals, maybe.
That's too much to think about.
Hmm.
That's why they just call it PETA.
So- But it's P-E-T-A ⦠we need
to get some pita and Chinese food.
That's gonna be hard to find Are,
are you thinking of the same place?
No.
Okay.
I think there's, there's
one about an animal in town.
What do?
It's about a Polar Bear Express,
I think, and they show the movie.
Polar Express.
Polar Express.
It's a Panda Express.
No, I think it's polar.
They have pita bread?
I think they have pita bread and- I don't
know what you're talking about ⦠hot
chocolate and stuffed- Oh my goodness.
That's a movie.
Okay.
I wanna go there and get a meatball sub.
Let's go, Miss Jill.
All right.
Let's do it.
I want
a Chinese meatball sub.
I don'tâ¦
You'll have to take that up
with the sandwich artist.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I think- Polar Bear Express.
Let's go.
Listen, we're going to- Hey, will you buy?
Yes, I'll buy.
She's gonna buy our lunch.
Yay.
Let's remind everybody we
have to keep forgiving, right?
Yes.
Even though it says 490 times,
it really means forever.
On every time you think
about it, 490 times.
Yes, that's exactly right.
That's a lot.
It is a lot.
It's better just to forgive
and forget about it almost.
It's harder to forget.
It's harder to forget
for the people anyway.
Not for me 'cause feathers for brains.
I forgive myself for
saying that about myself.
Be kind to yourself.
Be kind to others, and we'll
just leave it at that for today.
All right.
Forgive.
I'll try.
Forgive all the times.
I'll try.
All right.
Thanks for coming on, Smarty.
Hi.
I appreciate it.
Bye, everybody.
Come back sometime.
I will.
Yep.
If asked.
Always.
Bye.
Bye.