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The World Economic Forum is warning of a new crisis that's "even more significant economic and social implications than COVID19." What threat could possibly be more significant? Joining me today to discuss the greatest threat to our safety in America...
The World Economic Forum is warning of a new crisis that's "even more significant economic and social implications than COVID19." What threat could possibly be more significant? Joining me today to discuss the greatest threat to our safety in America is Jonathan Hollerman, the Deputy director of the US task force on national and homeland security.
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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So perhaps you've heard the term grid down or you've heard people talking about a grid down scenario. Well, what does that really mean? Because this is something I think that very few people really understand the gravity and seriousness of especially here in America.
Seth Holehouse:Now what happens when there's a grid down? Does it mean that the power's out for a couple days, you get your flashlight, get the guitar out, sing Kumbaya, or is it something much more serious? And now maybe you've also heard of the term called EMP, meaning electromagnetic pulse, which is a basically a weapon that a foreign power could use to disrupt the grid here in America and basically destroy anything that has a computer chip or a microchip. So cars wouldn't work, cell phones wouldn't work, planes wouldn't work, the grid itself would be shut down. And we have to look about what happens in that scenario.
Seth Holehouse:Because if you have been following what's happening, especially over in Davos, and with some of these global psychopaths, they've been warning us about a cyber attack. Right? The same way they warned us with the event two zero one, they warned us of the pandemic before the pandemic arrived. They're out there now warning us that they're concerned that some sort of cyber attack, and of course, we'll probably blame it on Russia, could potentially cripple the grid in America. So a lot of the indicators are showing that this could be a very real situation, And I think it's important for us to look at like what does this mean?
Seth Holehouse:What happens if the grid goes down in America? How does it affect our way of life? But also how do we prepare for that? And so joining me today, I'm very excited for this guest, is a guy named Jonathan Hollerman, who is the author of a bunch of different books. The main book that I read of his is called Survival Theory, which really was the kind of the basis for a lot of the prepping that I did really came from this guy's book Survival Theory.
Seth Holehouse:He also has a fiction series called EMP Equipping Modern Patriots and he just released Survival Theory two. So Jonathan Hollerman is also the Deputy Director of The U. S. Task Force On National And Homeland Security, and he specifically focuses on grid down scenarios and how to fortify our grid, how to educate the people in our nation about what to do. But he's also a, what you call a SEER instructor.
Seth Holehouse:And so maybe you haven't heard it before, what's that mean? Well, this is a guy that literally teaches army and military and people, you know, that are out there, soldiers, how to survive in the wilderness, basically. That's one of the things he does. So, in his book he was talking about, I think it was training a group of Navy SEALs in like frigid Alaska, how to survive in the wild. So the guy that teaches the special forces how to survive, I think is a good place to start for looking at like how do we prepare for potential disasters.
Seth Holehouse:So this is gonna be a an incredible interview and I think it's a very important topic that we need to be just really realistic about. That's the key. And look, I don't want this to be a doom and gloom type show and say, look, everyone's all gonna die. I don't think it's gonna happen. But I also don't want to bury my head in the sand and not face the potential reality.
Seth Holehouse:It's like if I would have told you before COVID hit, hey, look, the globalists are warning they're going to try a pandemic. You might have said, Seth, you know, put your tinfoil hat back on. Well, we saw what happened. Right now they're warning us. So I would rather be sober about it and be prepared and have a conversation about it now where we have time to prepare.
Seth Holehouse:So I hope you enjoy this interview. A few notes before we get started though, folks. Make sure you're following me on social media. Most places just Maninamerica and on Twitter it's Maninamericaus. Also, every show that I do also goes out as a podcast.
Seth Holehouse:So if you prefer to listen, just go to your favorite podcast app, whether it's Spotify, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, etc, and search for Man in America and you'll find me there. Alright, folks, enjoy this interview. Alright, Jonathan, it is such a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Seth. I'm happy to be here.
Seth Holehouse:You know, I have to say it's funny because occasionally I'll get the question of Seth, do you have any prepping books to recommend? And that was actually how I discovered you. I was living in a high rise in New York City. And for whatever reason I became really obsessed with grid down scenarios and, found your one of your, I think foundational books Survival Theory, which and we'll go over your books at some point in the show and you know, all the different books for people. And it was, it was transformative for me to just, I feel like that by looking at the scenario of a grid down and learning how to prepare for that, you almost prepare for every other scenario, whether it's civil unrest or riots, or it's like if you can prepare for that, you're good for the rest of it.
Seth Holehouse:So, but before we dive into that, I gave a brief introduction to you, I wanted to just allow you to explain a little bit of your background and your training and also what you're working on and then also this role that you have as the deputy director. So I'll go ahead and hand it over to you.
Speaker 2:Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. So my background is a United States Air Force SEER instructor. SEER stands for survival, evasion, resistance, escape.
Speaker 2:Our job primarily was to train flight crew and pilots and some special operations how to survive if they got shot down behind enemy lines. Aside from that, I'm a best selling author on survival preparedness. I have five books now. My latest one is getting released here on Saturday, the twenty eighth. And then I am also the CEO of Grid Down Consulting.
Speaker 2:I've worked with over 500 high net worth individuals across this country to help them better prepare. I've done over 100 on-site analysis of existing survival retreats, I make recommendations on security, off grid infrastructure, bunkers, things of that nature. Recently, I've been asked to be the deputy director of the US Task Force on National and Homeland Security. That's Doctor. Peter Pry's old organization.
Speaker 2:He passed away, unfortunately, here a couple months ago. He was a great leader in the movement to try and get the grid hardened. I've been running around this space for a while. I'm also on the board of advisers of MPACT America. I'm a member of the Electromagnetic Defense Task Force down at the May Working Center under General Quas here a couple years ago.
Speaker 2:So I've been volunteering a lot of my time, the last couple years to try and push for a hardened grid in this country, but it's it's it's gonna be a tough sell.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. It is. And I remember, I think it was within two or three days of Biden taking office, he undid the exact executive order that Trump had put into place that prevented enemy nations like Iran or China from having access to our power grid. So it's like almost like on day one, he's like, okay, China, here you go. Here's our power grid for you to play with, which is just concerning.
Seth Holehouse:You know, what we're seeing is, and I think it's a really timely discussion because a couple of years ago, if I would talk to people a grid down scenario, a lot of people didn't really know what that meant, or it was something they heard about or they thought like, okay, well, power goes out for a week. But it's actually a much bigger thing, actually, but much more scary thing, unfortunately. And what we've witnessed, you know, coming out of the pandemic, you know, we saw what happened with event two zero one, right? Where these all these globalists and these elites, they had their planning scenario where they basically outlined exactly what happened. And this is had their way of doing this.
Seth Holehouse:And I'm gonna play a video that is of Klaus Schwab talking about a grid down scenario and this is a recent video of him at one of the World Economic Forum meetings because I think that we have to we have to really pay attention to what they're telling us. Not because we should be scared of them, but because they're telegraphing their moves and we have to be able to anticipate. So let me go ahead and play this video from Klaus Schwab and then what it'll give us a few a few things to talk about.
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Speaker 3:The COVID nineteen crisis would be seen in this respect as a small disturbance in comparison to a major cyber attack.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, he he lays it out there, and that was just one of many discussions that they've had about this. But what we're also seeing is that simultaneously, and I'll pull up this article here, we're seeing in the headline news discussions about attacks on the power grid. So here, this is a recent Time article which says, the headline being, Is there something more sinister going on? Authorities fear extremists are targeting US power grid. And so they start the article and say, A string of mysterious attacks on attacks on power stations across The U.
Seth Holehouse:S. Has rekindled fears about the vulnerabilities of America's electricity infrastructure, which security officials have warned presents a growing target to extremists and saboteurs. Attacks and suspicious activity at US power stations reached a decade long high last year with more than a hundred reported incidents in the first eight months of 2022. And so when I see them, we see Klaus Schwab, but they're talking about this, then and that the article was from a couple of this past week or so. And then especially as you we've entered in 2023, I'm seeing way more instances of them saying, oh, these neo Nazi extremists were attacking the power grid.
Seth Holehouse:To me, this looks like they're really setting up, know, a false flag event, which they might blame it on a foreign nation or whatever it is, but it just seems like they're really setting the stage for a grid down scenario. And so if and it really kind of help educate us here. What what is a grid down scenario and what does that do to the way of life here in America?
Speaker 2:Okay. So, yeah.
Robert Kiyosaki:There's a lot
Speaker 2:to go a
Seth Holehouse:lot to unpack there.
Speaker 2:So first off, I'll address the Carl the the Charles Schwab comment. For the first time, I actually do agree with the man. It would be extremely catastrophic. On that end, I agree with him. I I I wanna be careful connecting too many dots with motivations and plots and conspiracies.
Speaker 2:There is so much verifiable facts behind the grid down threat. I really steer clear of you know, that was a great video somebody put together. They put dramatic music and and and b roll footage behind it. Him speaking speaks for itself. I I'm familiar with what the WF is doing behind, the scenes on on different issues, but I can't control what some crazy people, you know, in some forest are doing, you know, behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:I have no control over that. I can't grasp it with two hands and, you know, do anything about it. As far as the grid security issue, that is something that is verifiable, it's testable, it's scientific, we can, you know, can attack it. Right? So, you know, the Charles Schwab's of the world are going to Charles Schwab.
Speaker 2:You know, that's who they are. The Time article and the Newsweek article the past week, so there has been some pretty big press, a lot of it had to do with the North Carolina attack. Again, time is gonna time. You know, they're going to spin this thing. You know, it's all Trump supporters and the neo Nazis and the fascists and, you know, they had, you know, think they didn't have some like hooded guys in there, some like Ku Klux Klan paper or they had neo Nazis in the pictures.
Speaker 2:So they're really upselling this, but that's just what they do. They're going to they're going to politicize it, right? The sheriff has come out from more North Carolina, said there's zero evidence at this point that it had anything to do with the transgender, you know, story time that was happening in the town, or they have they have no reason to believe it's anything about far right. So Tyve found some some probably obscure chat room and found a couple comments and now it's, you know, it's this. I I am less concerned about the the the far right militias than I am foreign powers.
Speaker 2:Okay? So yeah, the militias might be able to take down the grid through physical attack, you know, portions of it. They'd have to know which nine to attack. I don't personally, and actually I don't have any evidences, I don't believe that was the North Carolina attack. I believe the people that attacked the North Carolina substation are the exact same people that attacked the Metcalf Substation in California here about ten years ago.
Speaker 2:There has been some discussion as to triangle shaped piles of rocks from the firing positions that were the same as they were in California, okay? So there are some connections and I believe they're probing, they're testing to see how much damage they can do with what kind of equipment, right? And I do believe there's a really good chance it's a sleeper cell in this country. I don't know what nation, but and they are kind of dry running and they are waiting for marching orders. That would be my guess.
Speaker 2:Okay? Again, that's I don't have evidence to prove that. That's my opinion on the subject. With that said, again, the Time article, they really overplay the attacks side of it. So the more North Carolina one, there's a couple of them that were that were severe, but a lot of the increase in in attacks, as they call them, on substations is nothing more than crackhead stainless copper.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's a majority of what is happening at the substations is people, you know, stealing copper. And then from time to time, you have disgruntled employees or just weirdos that are just wanna go in there and smash some stuff up. So, that's less of a concern. But so that kind of addresses the couple of topics that you had there. But why should it matter, right?
Speaker 2:What's the point, which Charles Schwab talking about that this could be so dangerous? Every aspect of human life today revolves around electricity. Without electricity, our country literally ceases to exist. So let me expound on that. Your phone lines, your internet, your banking, your heat, your air conditioning, interstate trucking, gas pumps, nuclear power plants, the backup generators need backup diesel.
Speaker 2:They need the trucks running across the country. Basically, it's it's a continental time machine. William Graham from the E and P congressional E and P Commission called it a continental time machine. If we were to lose the National Electric Group through an E and P, a massive solar flare, which we're long overdue for, a physical attack we've been talking about, or cyber attacks. I mean, we're seeing what's happening with AI and quantum computing and how dangerous that's looking.
Speaker 2:So there it's easy to dismiss the threat of a national grid down event if you just isolate the EMP threat or if you just isolate the solar flare threat. It's easy. But if you combine all the different threat vectors and the growing threat vectors and the fact that we're not hardening the grid and the fact that we're growing more susceptible to these types of attacks because the smart grid technology, we're operating closer and closer to peak efficiency in the electric utility, you know, the the long line transmission lines because they're cutting off cool power plants they're replacing with solar farms that don't meet the demand. So we're just making the situation more and more dangerous. So the last thing I would say is if you get nothing else, the the 900 pound gorilla in the room are the high voltage transformers in this country, which are there's about 3,000 of them depending on where you draw the line on how high voltage is high voltage.
Speaker 2:But in essence, they're 400 ton behemoths, right? And they take twelve to eighteen months to build. And they come from most of them for a long time have have come from South Korea and Germany recently, so they're starting to come from China. We can talk about that subject in a bit. That's something I would like to talk about.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. But they take twelve to eighteen months to build, and on average we replace about a dozen. They've got like a forty or forty five year life span, so we don't replace them very often. When they do need replaced, there's no spares just laying around this country. It's not like you can just grab one off the shelf and put it in, They're made to order for each location, exactly the load and the distribution and how it's set up.
Speaker 2:So and right now we're seeing a backlog of raw materials and copper and things like this. It could be even longer. If we lose the high voltage transformers in this country, you're not getting the power back on, you're not getting the first transformer for a year. Okay? So we're talking at minimum a year without electricity.
Speaker 2:So what does that look like? The congressional E and P commission that studied this, advised the government on this all the way back 02/2004 estimated that ninety percent of the American population would die within the first year. Let me say that again, ninety percent of Americans would die within the first year due to starvation, disease, rioting, looting, warlords, because what happens is everything just stops. Your grocery stores, when they run out of food, there's no interstate trucking, they don't get resupplied, nobody grows food anymore. The farmers in this country used to make up like 70% of the country way back in the day.
Speaker 2:Now it's 2% feed the other 98%, but nothing moves. Electricity is required for life sustainability in this country as it is. We don't have the life skills to live without electricity, and the military is not they have no game plan for this. The United States military is 99% reliant on the civilian electric grid, the military bases in this country. Our nuclear triad is secure, but the military bases, bulk of the military, they're in the same boat as Americans.
Speaker 2:I have a report that I did for the electromagnetic defense task force that their food comes on the base every day and a half, just like the grocery stores. They've got some MREs, which they'll eat in a day or two on base. Within a week, they're in the same boat as every other American. There's no plan for this. There's no plan for response.
Speaker 2:There's no government plan for response. There's literally nothing being done about this. So this idea that, you know, people kind of hold on to, well, the government will fix it. We'll get the brightest minds together. We'll kumbaya and we'll we'll fix the problem.
Speaker 2:There's gonna be no fixing the problem because it's gonna fall apart very fast, very far, and, you know yeah. So I know I'm a big ray of sunshine here, but it it is the literally the worst case for this country and every enemy nation knows it. If you look at the war doctrine for Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan, not just our enemies, but our allies too. First line of attack for World War three is electromagnetic pulse attack. It is the first line of attack for every country at this point because they know if you can knock out all communications, all weapon systems, all you you blind your opponent.
Speaker 2:They they can't even respond. The United States military wrote a DOD report to congress a decade ago telling them, if we lose the civilian electric grid, the military will not be able to have any response to do anything. So this idea that you see in the Hollywood movies where there's box trucks rolling down the road passing on MREs, none of that's gonna happen. You might have 10% of the government hold up in some, you know, mountain somewhere, but other than that, it's gonna be every man for himself.
Seth Holehouse:And so when you mentioned, you know, a an enemy detonating an EMP, can you explain what that looks like? I think for a lot of people, like, I I first saw EMPs, think it was maybe one of the Batman movies perhaps, and it was this kind of crazy looking device in the back of a box truck. But then as I learned more about it, I learned that, oh, it's actually it's just basically detonating a nuke high enough over the country. And so, you know, Russia could do it. China could do it.
Seth Holehouse:North Korea could do it. Like, so it's is it a pretty easy thing to, to pull off for one of our enemies?
Speaker 2:Then that's again, it's one of the reasons why it's such a huge risk. It's literally one of the easiest attacks to pull off. So the the ones that you're talking about in the truck, those are directed energy E and Ps. Those are localized. That's for a a building or a small town.
Speaker 2:Those are not nuclear. Okay? Those are I don't know the science behind them, but a nuclear, or considered HEMP, high altitude electromagnetic pulse is essentially setting off a nuclear weapon 300 kilometers above the Earth's surface over the middle of a country because that gives you 300 kilometers, that gets you curvature, it can reach line of sight to both coasts, right? You can take out the entire nation. And then if you set off multiple EMPs, can set them off lower to the ground and increase the amount of voltage that you get from the pulse.
Speaker 2:So one will do it, but if it happens, it's probably going be two or three from an enemy nation. If it's a terrorist organization, it's going to be one. So, I mean, they've proven you could carry this out if you were able to get the nuke into the country, which if you look at our border, that can't be too hard, right? If you could get the nuke in here, you can get a atmospheric balloon where they like a weather, you can buy a weather balloon on Amazon and literally put it on Turkey Timer and send it up, you know, that way. It's not super complicated, okay?
Speaker 2:We can look at the K Club missile launchers and Russia, and we could have those in our country. If you never Google that, look up K Club missile launchers, then read the perfect storm by the Center for Security Policy, and they talk about how terrorist organizations have ties to this. It's not a complicated thing. Iran has done nuclear or, their missile tests off cargo ships in in the Caspian Sea. There's no reason to to run that size missile test off a cargo ship unless you plan to drive it into the Gulf Of Mexico and send it up.
Speaker 2:The other thing you have to realize, when you start talking about EMP, people picture Russia firing an intercontinental ballistic missile and it flies, you know, for three, four minutes and then it explodes and we see it coming, we might be able to shoot it down maybe. That's not how it's gonna happen. They're gonna we have no southern missile defenses. They're gonna launch it off a cargo ship, off of a submarine. North Korea has two satellites that that orbit The United States twice a day that have never sent a signal back to North Korea.
Speaker 2:We believe they have nuclear bombs on and and they they orbit exactly at 300 kilometers, you know, with a quickening, you know. So there's I'm shocked that something hasn't happened yet. So this is kind of where we're at. We live on a precipice. People just don't understand that tomorrow the lights may not come on, and it's not gonna be like, hey, pull out some monopolies candles and wait for the power company to fix it.
Speaker 2:It's not coming back on. And what does life look like? So with that said, well, I'll let you jump back in.
Seth Holehouse:No, sure. Yeah. It's helpful. And I also, I want to be able to frame the discussion because I think some folks watching might be like, oh, this is really doom and gloom and, you know, this is it's very fear based and it's like, I think it's just about being realistic. Right?
Seth Holehouse:Like if we would have looked at event two zero one at that time and said, hey folks, maybe the bad people in this world are getting ready to do something like a big pandemic. Right? Just maybe, how can we prepare for that? You know, even at that time, people would say, oh, you're being doom and gloom, and then it happens. And I think we're consistently seeing that over and over again.
Seth Holehouse:And so with this, it's like I I'd look, I'd rather talk about it and say, okay, well, how does it work and what can we do to protect ourselves against it? And then ignore it and just say, well, it probably won't happen because like look around us in America, we probably never imagined that there'd be this level of tyranny in America. This is the land of the free, the home of the brave, yet we've got the alphabet agencies going after the American patriots as domestic terrorists. I mean, it's insane where we're at. So I think it's good to look at this.
Seth Holehouse:So, you know, because I remember when I first heard about that, I think actually is in your book perhaps about the congressional committee that had studied the effect of EMP. And they came to the conclusion that within the first year, I think upwards of 90% of people in the country wouldn't make it that far. And I remember thinking like, gosh, I would have maybe thought 25%. You know, okay, there's no electricity and this is what happens. So, like, what is that?
Seth Holehouse:I know this is a very broad question. But what is it like, what are the main drivers of that? What are the main causes of what would lead to that level of of death in a country like this?
Speaker 2:Sure. So a couple years ago after attending the Electromagnetic Defense Task Force, I was asked to be part of that or that that group. It was a three day war gaming joint services war gaming operation, Lemay War Gaming Center, and all the alphabet agencies were there. All the, your your DOE, your FBI, NSA, the National Security Council was there, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission was there, the DOE. You you a handful head of the utilities were there.
Speaker 2:They had all the four military branches were there, and it was basically a three day EMP board game event, and it was catastrophic. I mean, the results were you can go read the EDTF reports and how bad the situation is at the time. Well, I was asked at the end of that to write a report for the military, a white paper, and I did. It was called The Psychology of Human Desperation, Starvation, Living Without Rule of Law. My background as a SEER instructor, taking people's food away, putting them in harsh environments, taking their sleep away, watching how people and myself in training, like literally fall apart at the seams when you take food away.
Speaker 2:That was the big thing that was a big driver for me. Because I kept reading other E and P fiction. I keep, you know, Hollywood, and they don't get it. Everybody, it's normalcy bias. Everybody in these movies, everybody in these books continues to act, talk, react, function the same.
Speaker 2:And when there's when people get killed, it's a bad guy that kills them and you have good people and bad people. They don't show good people every day, blue collar Americans, you know, who's got a, you know, six year old daughter who he hasn't been able to provide food for in three weeks. She's gray, she's breathing shallow, she's almost dead. What wouldn't that father do to get that girl some food, right, his daughter some food? As a father of three, you know, these are hard questions that people just pretend don't exist because we live in the richest country in the world, this has never happened.
Seth Holehouse:Alright, folks, I have a quick message for you. Look, if a catastrophe hits America, whether it's a grid down scenario, or even, you know, a series of massive riots across the country, there's a lot of different things that could unfold that could really cripple our supply chain. We've already witnessed this with COVID. And not to mention the fact that we've got the government actors and really bad people that are actively destroying food processing plants. So we just had a massive, hen farm go up in flames.
Seth Holehouse:They lost a hundred thousand laying hens, were killed. And this is a pattern that we're seeing. So where is this all going? Because the supply chain for our food here in America is so fragile. I don't think we understand that.
Seth Holehouse:We've got things shipping from all over the world. We have these big food processing plants that are being taken out. So not necessarily really counting the fact that we have the war that's happening, which has shut down so many of the, so much of the fertilizer production and shipping that around the world and natural gas coming out. So all of this is really creating a perfect storm for very serious food issues in 2023 and 2024. Now with the scenario like we're talking about in this show with the interview with Jonathan here, if the grid went down, you have to realize that the grocery stores would be emptied out in a matter of days and they would not refill.
Seth Holehouse:And so the question with this is, if that happened, if you could no longer go to the grocery store to buy your food, how much food do you have? How long would your family survive? And I don't want to be grim, but this is just a reality. And for me as the man of the household, I feel absolutely responsible for ensuring that my family has enough food in any situation. Now there's a lot of experts that will give you different recommendations whether they say looking to have at least three months worth of food or six months worth of food or a year worth of food.
Seth Holehouse:It's really, really, really important. But it's not just how much food you have stored, it's also whether you have the ability to grow more food. And so that's why seeds become very very important, which is all why we have a huge stockpile of seeds that we've stored just for emergency use because of course, it's great. Yes, if you have much assorted food, but what's even better is if you can produce more food, that food you produce produces more seeds, you can use it if there's not the right heirloom, non GMO seeds. And so food and seeds are absolutely critical.
Seth Holehouse:They're probably the most important thing you can focus on securing in this year 2023. Now, and a lot of you have asked me if I had any recommendations, and I was really hesitant because I did a lot of research and look a lot of the big food bucket companies, they just focus on calories. They're like, okay, how can we get as many calories into a food bucket as possible and say, we're the cheapest, right? But they're also they're filling these food buckets with sugar and high fructose corn syrup and stuff that's not really healthy for you. And so I there's a company that I'm just started working with, this is my first time ever talking to you about them, which I am so excited about.
Seth Holehouse:Let me go and pull them up for you because it is an incredible company called Heaven's Harvest. So this is a I talked to the owner, the woman and her husband who started this company. They're based in Georgia. They're Christian patriots and their mission is to supply you with high quality storable foods and, heirloom non GMO seeds that will last for a very long time. So if you go to heavensharvest.com, they have these food cans with freeze dried mashed potatoes and meals and fruits, etcetera.
Seth Holehouse:They have the entire kits. So you can go on here for instance and say you go to the emergency survival food kits, right, you can go to the different buckets and you can select the buckets that you want. So you can buy a six month kit or a twelve month kit. But what's also great is that they have seeds. So you can buy heirloom seeds.
Seth Holehouse:Now these are seeds that you can buy that will propagate the next year. Because the problem is with a lot of the GMO seeds, they won't keep producing. So these are heirloom non GMO seeds that you can keep harvesting and harvesting and harvesting. So they have these kits. They also have other things like, you know, for water filtration, water storage, and in gardening and survival resources.
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Speaker 2:So I put that report together. I looked at a lot, I shouldn't say a lot, there's minimal psychological data on this other topic of starvation. Because it's not like you can just grab something like, hey, I'm going to starve you without end, you know, and we're going to study you. It's only been done once and it was in the forties during World War II conscientious objectors. It's called the Minnesota Starvation Experiment.
Speaker 2:Not a lot of people are familiar with it. That's really telling. The other big resource is Philip Zimbardo, a world renowned psychologist who did the 1970s Stanford Prison Experiment. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But, so he has a book called Lucifer Effect, How Good People Turn Evil, and he studies how, you know, a Kansas farm boy from or a farm boy from Kansas can go over to Vietnam, do horrible things, and then go back and be a car salesman the next week. How Nazis can put other human beings, man in God's image, in ovens, and then a couple of years later, they're family men, right? So this idea of morality and depravity, right? Harold Arnaud calls it the banality of evil, okay? And this is something that we don't get in this country and in this culture because life is so rosy.
Speaker 2:We just think that people are going to be nice to each other and we're going to work together. And that's our experience in things like Hurricane Katrina and hurricane Sandy and these different natural disasters. Yeah. When something bad happens, all the Americans that are fat, happy, Cheeto dust on their shirt, you know, get off the couch and they pitch in and help out. Right?
Speaker 2:In this situation, no everybody's in the same boat. Nobody's coming to help out. It's just gonna get progressively worse and worse and worse and worse. And what does that look like? And then the other big thing is that was so shocking to me, I spent six months buying, I've got a whole row of books here on historical times of starvation from the Holomodor in Ukraine, Chinese Famine, Bosnia, the the holocaust and like the Warsaw Ghetto and places like that.
Speaker 2:And I put all that data together in this report to just show that people's idea of what this is going to look like is just so radically fundamentally wrong for a couple reasons. One, because if you look at those historical times, okay, there's three factors that go in there: starvation, human desperation, and living without rule of law. And you experience extreme times of starvation and human desperation in for instance, like the Chinese famine or the Holomador, where extreme levels of starvation, like literally people eating their children, okay? But the difference is, is you had an extreme rule of law that they were put to death for stealing. They were put to death for not continuing to work, right?
Speaker 2:So there was still oversight. Okay, you look at Bosnia where there was some starvation in different areas and there was extreme lack of food, there was human desperation, but there was no rule of law. You had warlords in town, right? And each city block had a warlord of people fighting and killing each neighbor, killing neighbor over crazy things, and you see the atrocities that are committed there. What we've never seen happen is extreme starvation, okay, utter desperation, in other words, no hopes, there's no one coming, there's no TV channel, there's no radio saying, hey, the government's fixing this, we're coming to helping you.
Speaker 2:So there's no end in sight, and then there's no oversight. There's no rule of law. In other words, the policemen, the firefighters, they all go home after the first week to protect their families, and, you know, the rioting and looting is going get out of hand. There's no government plan. Nobody's going to fix this.
Speaker 2:So we have this perfect storm of all of these three things coming together in one spot, and we have a population that is dependent on the government and the electricity. They don't have the life skills to live without electricity. Nobody knows how to grow their own food. And even people that do garden, they don't know how much they have to grow to live off of for an entire year. You can't run to the store and get the pesticides.
Speaker 2:You can't buy the tomato plants from the nursery. You have to have all the stuff beforehand, okay? And then when you do grow it, you've got, you know, even if you did have the life skills, 99.9% of people around you don't, they're going to be coming for that. So you've got to protect it, okay? And then once you do, let's say you do make it ninety days and you start producing, do you know how to root cellar?
Speaker 2:Do you know that you can't store potatoes and apples in the same root cellar? Because you know, there's if you make one mistake in this process, you die, right? You don't make it till the next harvest season. So, it's again, you know, I sound like a purveyor of gloom and doom, but I don't know what else to tell people because the Charles Schwab's of the world, okay, and just so you know, I don't think the WF is going to do this because they're about power and control. This deletes America.
Speaker 2:It doesn't take, you know, 20 if it was 20% of the population, I'd be like, okay, you know, maybe they would pull something like that. But America completely ceases to exist. They lose their power. They're about money, power, and control. They're not you know, I don't think they're a death cult, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I don't think that they're going to pull this off. I think they are warning about it, right, and it is a very real threat. I think they warned about a pandemic, what, two months before COVID hit, which is kind of convenient. But anyways, it is such a dangerous situation to consider. And I guess the other big thing is, and people are like, well, this is like sci fi stuff.
Speaker 2:Why would an ammunition do this or this or that? But think about it. We're well, for a long time we've been the world's superpower. Why would you fight us nose to nose, tank to tank, plane to plane, when you could literally use one weapon and take out our entire country. In fact, Iran considers an EMP attack, it's in their war doctrine, as Sharia compliant, because they don't actually kill a single American.
Speaker 2:They put the bomb off at 300 kilometers and they say our arrogance and our dependency on our infrastructure is what kills us. They don't actually kill anybody. They just take away electricity.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. So Insane to think about that. Yeah, I guess it is. I guess technically it's true. I mean, you know, but if you burn, if you light a fire in a building and everyone dies inside of it, you can't say it was their arrogance.
Seth Holehouse:It wasn't, you know, but yeah, it makes sense though. I mean, does make sense. And so now, know, obviously your son understands the ramifications of if something like this happens in our country and the cause and effect. But I would say that your, you know, your greatest strength that you bring is really how to prepare for this. And I noticed that you have an entire company, actually I'll bring up your website here because you have an entire company, Grid Down Consulting, which is griddownconsulting.com where you literally let's just say I had a homestead and I think I'm actually pretty well off, I would say, hey, let me have you come here and you'll assess the property, look at the security, look at, you know, food storage, you know, everything like that and help consult people.
Seth Holehouse:So a big thing that you do is actually helping people be proactive and prepared. And so for a lot of the folks that are watching this, know, let's kind of let's dive into some of the discussion about, you know, what are some of the what are some of the key aspects of being prepared for this that you would recommend for people? And also considering that a lot of people that are watching are probably in a townhouse in suburbia on a quarter acre, you know, lot in neighborhood, maybe in an apartment building. So especially for those kinds of folks, what are your what do you recommend?
Speaker 2:Okay. So I believe in speaking the truth. A lot of the preparedness community is going to hit one, because it gets them a bigger following and it tickles people's ears, they're going to tell you what you want to hear, okay? The term urban prepping is oxymoronic, okay? They don't go together.
Speaker 2:The idea that there's more resources in a city, so it's better to be in a city. Yeah, but there's, you know, a % more people and those resources are zero sum, and when they're gone, you've got a thousand times more threats in immediate vicinity view, right? This idea that you can board up your windows and doors, spray paint over them, throw some trash in your front yard, and your neighbors are not going to figure out two months down the road that you're the only one not getting skinny. You know, they're never going to see you, you're never going to hear your hoe gardening in this. You got a six foot private fence to hide your garden.
Speaker 2:Like this idea when people are, there's not a can of peaches in the city and you think they're not going to find your stash of food and you think you're going to keep it. You think you're, you know, you think you're Rambo, you think you're Steel Team Six, you and your little band of Merry Men and you're gonna fight off everybody in your neighborhood and all, you know, every time you fire that weapon, that sound travels throughout the entire city, right? How are you going to cook stuff? Where are you going to get wood to boil water? You're to run, Oh, I got a generator.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you might as well just announce to everybody within, you know, 5,000 yards that you've got power. It's just This idea of prepping in the city, I want to dispel that. You have to understand how nasty and how ugly people are going to be. It's going to be every man, every family for himself, they're going to join groups, they're going to get bigger, groups are going to fight each other, they're going to grow bigger. And you're, you know, I think it was Doctor.
Speaker 2:Graham that said, you know, ninety percent of the people are going die. You don't want to be around the other ten percent, right? Like they're going to be the meanest, baddest people with the biggest stick that check their morality at the door and do what they had to do to survive. Right? So the problem is nobody wants to say that because it sounds hopeless because that's your home.
Speaker 2:Like the average 99% of the people listed as I'm sure can't afford a multimillion dollar, you know, 3,000 acres off in the forest somewhere and all the infrastructure and the type of stuff I do. Average person can't do that. So they feel completely and utterly helpless. There are options. Okay?
Speaker 2:There are options. Shameless plug, but I'll hold up here. Throughout theory two, this is a book that comes out in on Saturday. I actually lay out multiple options. This is my Surrounding Theory books are kind of my way of paying back for the little guy that can't afford my services saying, hey, here's some recommendations, here's some game plans if you're on a budget, here are some things you can do.
Speaker 2:If you have zero money, I mean, is what it is. You have to have some money to put into this, but there are strategies for people on a budget to increase your chances of survival. What that does not mean is to go live off the national forest like the legend of Mick Dodge or, you know, one of these survivalist shows that you watch, okay? First of all, you don't have the life skills to live through the winter in the national forest, you just don't, okay? And the it's a bitsy tiny percentage of you that are listening that actually do, which you can't convince me of is that the other 99.99% of the other yahoos running around the same patch of woods that you're in that have killed every deer in the forest, every squirrel, every bird, okay, aren't gonna at some point stumble across you and shoot you while you sleep or while you're getting out of, you know, the squirrel or deer that you got, right?
Speaker 2:So that's a bad scenario. Living off the open road, another bad scenario. That's terrible ideas. With that said, even with that said, if you get nothing else, you have thirty six to forty eight hours to get out of most major cities, okay? You have, you know, once you get out of the city, you got a little more extra time in the country.
Speaker 2:I would say you need to be at your destination. Cousin Bob's farm, it may not be perfect, but it's better than living in the city. But here's what I hear from a lot of the other kind of preparedness guys. They're like, oh, you know, this is where you have your stuff and just ride it out as long as you can't. And you know, if it gets too bad, then leave.
Speaker 2:It's like, well, if it gets so bad that, you know, are starving and killing each other, that's the last time I want to take my wife and kids and start hiking up with Bob's for three days, right? It's the last time you're never going to make it there. So you have a couple day window and the normalcy bias is always like someone's going to fix it, it's going to be okay, you know, it's not going to get that bad. And I'm telling you now, if you make that decision, you're probably going to die. So, big recommendations.
Speaker 2:What I tell people is, and again, we're talking about a nationwide grid down event, which is the worst case scenario. We're not talking about the next I'm not telling you the next time a hurricane comes to town, you start implementing my strategies. We're talking about worst case scenario. My company model is prepare for the worst, hope for the best, let God do the rest. And you said it correctly, if you're prepared for a national grid down event, long term grid down event, everything else that you might be concerned about, financial collapse, future pandemics, that's all covered under there, right?
Speaker 2:So my first recommendation, number one recommendation, I think I've said that three times in a row now, but my first recommendation is going to be wrap your head around the threat, educate yourself, buy the historical books on famine and really get a good feel for how people are gonna react. And please don't underestimate the severity and the depravity of Americans in this situation. So wrap your head around the threat first, because a lot of people are reacting and they're going out buying stuff and you have the Preppersphere, they're hawking all their, you know, fancy new prepper gadget and then people are just buying this or that. And then this guy says to do this, this guy says to do that, stop. What are their experience?
Speaker 2:What is their right to give you, you know, what's their background? Most of the preparedness experts in this country, I'm not trying to be despairing, but they grew up in the richest country in the world. A lot of the ideas that I see, you know, makes me think they got it from watching episodes of The Walking Dead or, you know, they don't make sense to me, and there's so many people out there giving people bad advice. So understand who you're getting advice from, we're up here around a threat, understand who you're getting your advice from, make sure you get out of town quick if you live in a city, okay? The point being the least human interaction you have for the first year, your best chance of survival.
Speaker 2:If you have to interact with desperate, starving, starvation psychosis people on a daily basis, you have to barter your way through this scenario, your chances of survival are are are not great.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Well, it's it's good there's a few things I want to touch upon that you mentioned. And one being is that, yeah, this like this is the worst case scenario, right, Is is an attack on the power grid because like let's just say there's a cyber attack. Well cyber attack, maybe that shuts down the grid for two weeks and then the grid comes back on. But an EMP means that your cell phone doesn't work.
Seth Holehouse:Your, you know, maybe your well, your fridge doesn't power on obviously because there's no electricity. Your car, if you have a car that's, you know, post, you know, mid nineteen seventies or so, your car isn't working anymore because they're using computers that an EMP will fry. And so that's the so that's kind of the worst case scenario. But, know, the other there are, you know, lot of scenarios where, you know, things might get really hairy, you know, or say there's a massive, you know, ten day BLM riot in your suburban area. And that might be the time when you can hunker down and board up the windows and and, you know, kind of
Speaker 2:be able
Seth Holehouse:you know, not need to go out to the grocery store and and all that, which is good. But I also think that this is I wanna highlight is that for people that, you know, because I get I get these messages sometimes and they say, look, I don't have a lot of money. I'm living in a small apartment. I'm a single mom in a city. What I say is build your skills and network.
Seth Holehouse:You know, go to the go to the farm market that's, you know, 20 miles outside of your city, meet a local farmer, right? Try to try to build that community because then, you know, and have that conversation, talk to that and say, hey, can I can I like volunteer once a month on your farm? And it's like, Oh, okay. Like, you know, like if someone came to me and said, Hey, Seth, like, can I help you build some fences for your pasture for free? Just to learn to kind of learn how to do it.
Seth Holehouse:I'd be like, Absolutely. You know, and then that person later comes back and says, Hey, you know, if there's a really kind of a bad situation, could I come stay with you and I can bring these skills with me? Like, that's like, that's a free alternative. And that's why I think you cover that actually in your book series, too. You know, people that have the ability to, you know, they're going to their uncle's farm, they're going to their friend, they go to someone that they know.
Seth Holehouse:So don't it's really important that people don't get stuck in that mindset of like, well, there's nothing I can do, so I'm kind of screwed. So I'm just not gonna do anything. Because actually there's a lot of things that you can do even with very little money to be proactive.
Speaker 2:A %. And that is actually a fair portion of survival theory too, is I lay out, I don't just lay out a bunch of different strategies for people, you know, with little no funds. And that's actually it's like you got an advanced copy of my book or something because that's actually one of my strategies. I lay out how to approach people. The one thing I would change is I would not say to them beforehand, hey, the world's gonna end.
Speaker 2:Can I come and join you?
Seth Holehouse:That's true.
Speaker 2:Just work there. Build a relationship. If you have preparedness supplies, rent a small storage unit, the closest storage unit to that farm that you're volunteering on, you don't need to know nothing about it. Put the stuff there. When it falls apart, just go there and show up and then tell him.
Speaker 2:And then, you know, at that point, you know, you're a forward thinker, you know, whereas beforehand, he may think this guy's a little bit, you know, end of the world like nutso, right? So, you know, another option, you know, another strategy layout is bed and breakfasts, remote bed and breakfasts. Go there, stay there multiple times, get to know the owners, carefully ask questions, you know, about like their family. Because a lot of these bed and breakfast are like the farm to table type where they have their own chickens, they grow their own meat. You know, they look for places like that.
Speaker 2:Make sure it's off a beaten path. There's a lot of things you got to look for and they're hard to find, but I've, you know, had some clients I've helped find some places that are offbeat. Just get a great relationship, get to know them, get to know them, get to know them. And then when this situation happens and you show up at the door, you know, with, you know, a handful of cash saying, Hey, I'd like to stay here for a couple of days. You know, I got stranded traveling, you know, could I just take a room?
Speaker 2:I'll give you a double or whatever. They let you stay for a couple of days, work your way into the conversation. If they don't know what's going on, like slowly lay it out to them. And then, you know, once you got a good feel and they're gonna let you stay, be like, oh yeah, I got a container down the road, let's go get your tractor, go get my food, you know, for us and the guns and amp. You see what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:There are strategies that you can use. Is that ideal scenario? No. Is that awkward? Yes.
Speaker 2:You know, but we can't all be millionaires with, you know, multi million dollar bunkers, right? So, you got to do what you got to do. But that scenario, I promise you both the one you laid out this one and the others, these strategies, while they're awkward, they're uncomfortable and your brain's gonna be telling you no, the day after the lights go out, your chances of survival are astronomically higher there than just trying to ride it out in town. And just keep telling yourself it's not gonna get that bad. Watching your neighbors get killed, kill each other, you know, and warlords come in and dragging people's wives away.
Speaker 2:And you think I'm being crushed, but I mean, this is humanity, and it's kind of a point I didn't go down further is Americans think like the the idea, it's humanism, it's everybody's their own God now, there is no right, there's no wrong, we're not tied to biblical morality and Judeo Christian values, It's all your truth, my truth. And because of that, everybody just relies that every everybody's, you know, good. You know, sometimes people do bad things, but at at their core, humanity is good. You know, as a Christian, I believe that more the man is born to pray. I think they're born to pray from birth.
Speaker 2:And I think the reason we don't see that is because we've had this prosperity. We've had justice systems. We've had police. If you break the law, bad things happen. You know, there's consequences and we live in, you know, you can walk to somebody in the street and say hi and have a conversation with them without the thought they're going to kill you, right?
Speaker 2:Because they're starving or they're kids starving, right? Like these kind of thought processes just don't exist in the normal American mindset, but history proves that I'm correct. History proves if you read these books, I'm telling you, it will blow your mind. I give I've got probably 30 pages of historical content in there from these different books, outline just horrific things, not like outliers, not like, oh, there's a story that this happened in this note. Was the three quarters of the village was eating mud.
Speaker 2:They were eating mud and they had to get sticks to pry out the other end to get it out. Like I'm talking, again, I'm not trying to be crass just to be over the top, but like extraordinary times and you see what humans do to one another. Okay? We talk about World War two, we talk about the Holocaust Holocaust. Just in the last century, over a hundred million people have died from starvation, way more than World War two and the soldiers and the the the death and the destruction there.
Speaker 2:So but there there are periods of time that are black, you know, the Chinese history, the Ukrainian under Stalin, that's all stuff that was kept on the rack for a long time. People didn't really know to the extent of what was actually happening. They estimated thirty five to forty million, thirty five to forty million Chinese died during the Chinese famine in the Holomador, which, you know, it started for a couple years, but, you know, the bulk of it was like eighteen months, And, you know, you had nine million people die during that time period. Just horrific circumstances. So don't underestimate what what your neighbor people are like, oh, Bob, you know, my next door neighbor, we're we're great friends.
Speaker 2:You know, he's borrowed my mower, you know, I borrowed his grill when mine broke, you know, we're super friendly. That holds no water a month into this situation. So the last thing I do want to comment is, you brought up a good point, and I wanna stress this a lot. I am talking about a worst case solar flare, cyber attack, long term, you know, EMP, physical, something that's long term. So there are scenarios.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that you always have to the answer is bug out for every scenario. Financial cleanups, rallies, you know, riots, stuff like that. Yeah, hunker down, have some stuff in your house. I'm not to me, you know, there's this whole, like, hurricane preparedness genre of the Internet. And I'm just like, hey, you know, if you live in Miami and you don't have, you know, some bottles of water and some food, you're just kind of dumb.
Speaker 2:You're not a prepper. You just that should be normal life for you where you're at. You know, that's not really preparedness or prepping it. I don't know. That's I I guess my point is is that's part of the problem is is there's so many different kinds of survivalists and prepper experts and they all have their different niche, but they all have their different things they're kind of preparing, recommending for, right?
Speaker 2:And so this person's recommendations over here, even though he's a prep, you know, prepper one on one guy here, he's got a big following, but what's his mindset, which is kind of theology and doctrine behind what is he preparing for and why, right? And why does that does his recommendation equate to over here? You know, I talked about how many people I've worked with, and I can tell you definitively that I can't take my recommendations from one family and put it onto another. Every single family or group that I work with, they have completely different dynamics, geographic regions they use, distances they have to travel, financial ability. There's just a hundred variables that I have to look at before I even start making recommendations on, but, you know, what they should do for their particular family.
Speaker 2:So, yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Yes. Makes it makes good sense. I mean, it's really that's why I think education is really important because the more you read and the more you can access different perspectives, know, as, you know, the, you know, the person that's responsible for your family, etcetera, You can start to act on that. So, but I do want to I'm gonna bring up your website again quickly here. So griddownconsulting.com.
Seth Holehouse:And so on here you can find the books. And these are also on Amazon and everything, but I try to avoid those companies if I can. So this is Survival Theory. This was the first book that I read from Jonathan, which was like really, really opened my my eyes. And then he's also got this series called EMP, Equipping Modern Patriots, which is a fiction series that's walking through an EMP.
Seth Holehouse:And then there's a guy that's the main character and his wife. And basically, it follows them across the years of rebuilding and getting out of the city. And I learned, I probably learned more from those books, than the actual other book because it's actually walking through exact scenarios, in a really interesting and fun way. Plus they're just very well written and entertaining. And so for me, I'm an audiobook kind of guy, if I'm outside, you know, digging a garden bed or whatever it is, actually last night, actually here's a funny thing, last night I was up, I was freeze drying raw ground beef.
Seth Holehouse:And so I had my, I had my equipping modern patriots book in my ear, and I was processing all of our beef and freeze drying our beef. So, you know, it's a great it's a great thing. So so do you have any any closing comments for people that are watching?
Speaker 2:I probably said it four times. Don't under don't underestimate the threat. Be careful who you listen to. You know, when I you see it all the time, top 10 things you need to buy at the grocery store for for a grid down event. Top five bug out guns.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but for who? For where? Right? You know, what's the best battle rifle? Well, do you live in the Open Plains out in Kansas?
Speaker 2:You need, you know, you need 7.62. If you're in an urban environment, you know, on the East Coast, you need something lighter, you know, smaller rounds, you don't you're not gonna be reaching those distances. So, I mean, my my point is everybody tries to bottle what they know and make it definitive. There are no hard definitive things here other than it's gonna get way worse than I can even describe on this podcast. I mean, we're scratching the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 2:A couple other things. So I am really, really, really invested. I've donated a ton of my time the last couple of years to multiple organizations. I've worked with Impact America, you know, I'm at the E and P task force here now, I'm a member of the Secure the Grid Coalition. Last week I was in, oh man, I was in LA on Wednesday.
Speaker 2:I was at the Texas State Capitol on Thursday with, Texas Senator, Bob Hall, trying to get some grid legislation through there. I was in Dallas the day after that. And it's just I've poured a bunch of my time and my my free family time at no cost to try and raise awareness in the government for the American, you know, for them to actually move and harden the grid, and they're just not. The electric utility companies have spent over a billion dollars just at the federal political level lobbying congress. Their their second only to pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 2:They spend more lobbying money than big oil. Okay? And just so you know, the electric utility industry has no federal oversight. There's There's FERC that does oversee the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, but they have no legislative authority. They tell the utility industry all the time, hey, you need to fix this, you need more security here or there.
Speaker 2:They just don't do anything. It's the only industry in America that doesn't have that. Like, I mean, you can't buy a can of food without the FDA approving it or, you know, fly on a plane without the FAA or buy a car, you know, they're there for our safety, but the one thing that could kill everybody in this country just about, we're not you know, the Fox is kind of in the henhouse. So I guess what I'm saying is this, we need more people in this fight. There's no money in it.
Speaker 2:You know, there's all the organizations that have been fighting for twenty years, a lot of the older generation, you know, the guys that were there at the beginning are they're getting a little older and they're retiring and stuff like that. And there's there's no one really picking up the pieces. So if you get a chance, there's a documentary called Grid Down Power Up, okay? It just came out here and you go to griddownpowerup.com and it's an hour long video. You can show your friends and your family, and it's narrated by Dennis Quaid, okay, the actor Dennis Quaid, it kind of paints a picture of where we're at, but it's in visual form.
Speaker 2:There you go. You got it. And there's a take action page on there where you can get involved. You can learn how to write your congressman, how to kind of get active in this. We need more people pushing this because the last twenty years, the leadership and the national leadership for our kind of grid hardening movement, they've all been focusing at the federal level.
Speaker 2:The utility industry swoops in with their big lawyers and their big money, their lobbying money, and they win every time. So we've got to build a grounds well here. Yes, spread the word. I really highly advise everyone to go in there, check that out. And then obviously, shameless plug, buy my book this Saturday, it's coming out Survival Theory two: The Psychology of Human Desperation, Starvation, and Living Without Rule of Law.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. And I'll be actually, I'll probably preorder it as soon as the show finishes up. And, you know, one one thing I just want to throw in there too is that, you know, you mentioned upwards of a hundred million people dying of starvation. What's it's important for us to know it's like, who's who did that? It was by and large, it was governments.
Seth Holehouse:It was governments that had become corrupt. It wasn't, you know, African warlords contributing to the vast majority of that. Was people like Mao Zedong and Stalin, you know, so it was it was, you know, governments that turned evil that did that. And so for the folks that are, you know, in America, like, look, we've had a great government for a very long time that's given us safety, given us an amazing way of life. Obviously, there's corruption and we're seeing a lot more of it now.
Seth Holehouse:But I think it's important that we all understand that there's no government coming to save us, right? And we have to get that in, even as you mentioned, even the military, they're not coming to save us in a situation like this. So we have to learn to be resilient and have really self reliance, which think that's the journey of it is being self reliant, you know, being able to provide for yourself and your family. And it's a really freeing process. It's actually an amazing and fun and beautiful process of learning to just really take control of your own of your own life and your own food and everything.
Seth Holehouse:And so, anyways That's
Speaker 2:how it for two thousand years. Most people provided for that. It's only with the advent of electricity the last hundred years we've gotten away from that. Right? Getting back to, I mean, that's kind of our human roots is to kind of care for yourself and provide things for yourself instead of We're living in an artificial kind of a matrix y world, okay?
Speaker 2:So with that said, I mean, % agree that again, I'm gonna reiterate, prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and the big thing is let God do the rest. So I've realized that what I've been saying here is very dark. This is my business. I mean, I have to read this stuff all day long, reports, stuff that comes across my desk. But I'm the happiest guy you're ever going to meet.
Speaker 2:I am not scared. I have family time with my family every evening after dinner, we play board games and we hang out. I am not scared. I do not prepare in fear, okay? Because while the future can be fearful sometimes, you know, don't let the fear overwhelm you.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, my recommendation is put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ and, you know, He will give you the peace and the joy through the storm to get you through whatever scenario. So it may not end well, and, you know, many Christians were too earthbound or too earth focused, you know, all this stuff that's happening here is so important, but I mean, we've a millennia in front of us in heaven. So, you know, if I die on day two, you know, that's the start of my journey.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, that's a good point. That's a very good point. And that's what brings me comfort too. It's like, well, you know, when my number's called and I get to go to the great, the big, great beautiful place and life continues forever there. So it's like, look back and I'm like, why was I holding on so much to those, those wretched thirty three years or thirty five years in that body that's always sick and always tired and, you know, you got the and all that stress, you know.
Seth Holehouse:So anyway, well, Jonathan, it's been such a pleasure having you and I really just I thank you for the work that you're doing and you know, the books that you've done. And again, I'm gonna just tell one more time, like it's it's from, you know, my perspective, this is one of the best books and resources. So griddownconsulting.com, go to the books page. And again, right here, this first one survival theory. This is the the fundamental guide.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So again, this is this is the book that really did it for me. It's my number one recommended book if anyone says, Hey, any good books on prepping? This is the first book I'll recommend. So anyway, it's, it's great after having read your books for many, many years.
Seth Holehouse:It's an honor to have you on and talk to you. And I just I thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, Seth. I'm glad to be here and you know, enjoy the rest of your week and everyone out there God bless and you know, rest of world and hope for the best.
Seth Holehouse:Let God do the rest.