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Welcome back to House Lights, your one stop shop for everything you need to hear about this week in the world of entertainment. As always, I'm your host, Liz Noss, with my beautiful, wonderful host. Claire Donahue. And this week, we have a very special guest from our social media team.
Carli:Carli Kennett.
Liz:Yeah. We're gonna we're gonna chat it up around dating reality shows. We actually just, filmed a preview for the for the show before, and I said month of love
Claire:Well, yes.
Liz:In terms of why we're talking about this. No. It's just because I really like dating reality shows.
Claire:And it's also February.
Liz:It is February. But blank Sure. It's not really about that. It's about the fact that I spent the entire winter break watching dating reality shows, and I've been begging Claire.
Carli:Yep. It's it's a great topic to talk about. It's definitely, like I feel like a lot of people watch them too, which is just, like,
Liz:it's such an
Carli:easy thing to bring up. Just, like
Liz:For sure. Small talk. Out of all the, like, reality shows, I feel like like, it's more than, like, reality game shows, I feel like. I feel like not as many people watch those anymore.
Claire:Well, it's like people get really invested in a dating show because they're, like, they either see themselves or, like, you pick someone to root for. You can have someone in a game show, but I feel like people get really emotionally attached to, like
Liz:In a way. The character.
Claire:It's not a character. It's a
Liz:But it is a character. Right. In a way, it is like a game. In a way, I feel like it is kind of like a game because you're lit like, especially we'll get into, like, all specific ones, but, like, in The Bachelor, like, there really is, like, a winner at the end to win, like
Carli:Love Island too.
Claire:Same with
Liz:the company. Way.
Claire:Oh, she wants
Liz:to handle. See? No. But, yeah, that winners.
Claire:I've even had friends say, like, I'd be so good on The Bachelor. Like, I I I would, like, know
Liz:Oh, yeah. Like a strategy of play the game.
Claire:Yeah. They're like, if I went on Love Island, like, this is what I would ask and say and do. And I'm like, okay. Boom. So everyone's watching to be like, this could be me.
Claire:Like, that's a Literally. No. Very fun but strange component of
Liz:dating show. So I'm gonna ask both of you to tell me a little bit about your relationship with reality dating shows. I'll go last, Claire. Okay. Thanks.
Claire:I've I guess, I feel like at this table, my relationship with them is, like, the least impressive or strong. I've had some phases. The first one I really watched was Temptation Island, which I can talk about later, and that kind of catapulted me into, like, other stuff. I'm I love Love is Blind. I'm not really too big on, like, the super popular super popular ones.
Liz:But you're just the size underground?
Claire:Right. Like, I'm just underground with it. Like, it's fine. Like, The Bachelor, I've seen one full season, I think, in my whole life. And then
Liz:Which season?
Claire:Zach Shellcross. Katie.
Liz:Love that guy.
Claire:Still follow them on Instagram? Yeah. I got, like, really, like, sucked into this season.
Liz:Talking about their Instagram really quick. They I'm turning to the camera really quick. If you go on their Instagram, it's all hashtag ad. They do every single post is like an ad. Oh my god.
Liz:It's so They can't escape.
Claire:You can't escape.
Liz:I think that what if they're, like, actually broke up and everything is just slipper? Sorry.
Claire:I can see the the one season I've seen, it has to be a success. Yeah. And then there was another one I've seen. My roommates are really big into reality TV, so it's it's always on in our house. But I think with some shows, if I miss the first couple episodes, I just don't care.
Claire:But if I commit to watching it, I will become super invested. I will shout at the TV. So it's very, like, black or white for me. Like, I'm either all in
Liz:shouting at the TV.
Claire:I do love shouting at the TV. It's either all in or I'm just kind of, like I don't I just hear through them what's going on. Yeah. I felt like I was watching the last season of The Bachelor with Joey. Yes.
Claire:I didn't actually watch it, but I felt between social media, my roommates, and just, like, popping into the living room every once in a while, I knew exactly what was going on. Yeah. So that was kind of fun. But it definitely depends. My relationship with it has, like, kind of taken a
Liz:I see.
Claire:Taken a dip for sure, but I do think they're very entertaining.
Liz:They're so entertaining.
Claire:I fall for the trap, like, every time. Like, Love is Blind, I guess, is the one I've seen the most full seasons of. And by the end, like, I am shouting at the TV. Like, I know that I'm gonna get frustrated with them. Yeah.
Claire:I know what's gonna happen. I know that oftentimes because some things don't really work. Yeah. And I still And
Carli:you're still sucked in.
Claire:And I'm still sucked in. Yeah. So This is how it goes. I'm not fully out of the door of reality TV, but I need a good show to
Liz:get you back. We can talk about reality TV in general.
Claire:Oh, yeah. Well, dating
Liz:shows. Reality TV. But Sorry.
Claire:Dating shows.
Liz:Carly, by the way that you gasped and Yeah. Please tell. When he said, Joey, please tell us about your relationship.
Carli:So I didn't really start watching dating shows till, like, I think, like, two or three years ago. The first one I watched was Too Hot to Handle, and my friend had mentioned it. She's like, oh
Liz:crazy first one. She's like Yeah. Jumping right into it.
Carli:She's like she's like, oh, Too Hot to Handle. Have you ever seen it? And I was like, no. And then a few months later, it, like, popped in my Netflix, and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna try it.
Carli:And I was, like, literally so addicted because I watched, like, the first season in, like, a week, I think. And then there was, like, three more seasons on Netflix, so I just watched them all. And then I would wait for the new season to come out. So I've seen all of those. Then, last summer with, like, Love Island, I didn't watch it.
Carli:Well, it was live, but I watched it, like, now because I didn't have Peacock at the time. But I love that. I watched the first season of that on Netflix. That one's, I think, one of my favorites, Love Island. And then The Bachelor, I watched Joey season, like, I started halfway through.
Carli:So because I lived in a house and my girls would have it on and stuff. So I definitely paid more attention towards the end, and I watched, like, the finale and everything, and I love Kelsey. Like, she is my favorite ever. So I followed him on social media, and then, obviously, Joey was on, like, dancing at the stars. So I watched him, and then he won.
Carli:And so, yeah, he I just love Joey. She's beaming. Yeah.
Liz:And then he won. And then he won. It's like how girlfriend. Yeah.
Carli:So I've loved following Joey. But, yeah, pop culture is, like, my thing. I just love it. So, like, the dating shows are just so, like, I'm so invested in, like, I even after they go off the show, like, I'll follow the contestants and whatever. And there a couple of the two had to handle contestants.
Carli:Like, we're still together. One of one couple just broke up, but then one had a baby, like, recently. So, like, I still follow them and everything, and I just love them.
Liz:Like, all of them know people had a baby?
Carli:Yes. What? Isn't that crazy? I didn't
Liz:just assume they stopped talking to each other. No.
Carli:They literally have been together for, like, years, and they just they're not married, but they had a baby, I think, like, over the summer. Wow. He's really cute. He's, like, he's so tiny. And, like, of course, they're both so, like, beautiful.
Carli:The baby is just, like, the cutest baby you've ever seen. So So you're who I'm
Claire:going to if I ever have a question about the aftermath of Yeah.
Liz:Yeah. Because
Claire:I'm not gonna be able to do that. File. Okay.
Carli:Well, and, like, I love social media too. So, like, I just I mean, I'm not here. Like, it's my thing. So I just I'm always scrolling and following and keeping up with everyone.
Claire:So we're so glad to have you here for this
Liz:episode here. So because the minute that I end up I end watching a season. Honestly, not true for the bachelor. I feel, like, very parasocial with all of the bachelor people.
Claire:Thanks for being bolder.
Liz:But, like, but, like, for too out to handle love is blind, the minute they're off the show, I'm like, oh, they don't exist anymore. Yeah. Because I do, see them as not real people in the characters. But that's beside the point. So my relationship with reality dating shows is that I spent the entire winter break, watching perfect match, millionaire matchmaker, and one that I wanna get into that I know that neither of you have seen because I don't think anyone's seen except for me and my roommate, Alex, Love Struck High.
Liz:And I'll talk about that later. But that motherfucker. Have been watching The Bachelor since I was very young. My mom was really into it. I then fell off for a little bit.
Liz:And then sorry. This can be, like, a weird flex. And then I interviewed Zach Showncross, the bachelor. What? You didn't know that.
Liz:I did.
Claire:I did know that, but I feel like I kinda forgot.
Liz:No. I knew that. That's the one season you watched. That's what
Claire:he said. Like, my guy. Come on. You're back to,
Liz:DJ Verzaki. That's what he did in so, like, our interview was about what he did, like, in college and stuff, and he was a DJ. DJ Verzaki.
Claire:He was
Liz:a DJ. Oh, well, you can tell by the way he is and the way that he talks and also who he is. But, yeah, it it was a great interview. It was one of the most surreal ones because what do you mean I'm interviewing the bachelor? But then I started to get really into the show.
Liz:My roommates, Mia and Alex, who I think I talk about every single time I'm on this podcast. They then once I got, like, in the once I got into it after the interview, they were then like, okay. Now we have to keep up with Zach. So we've been watching every single season since. So that was what?
Liz:Charity season, then Joey, and then Jen, and now Grant. So we've been keeping up with it. Me and my roommates actually make, like, prediction boards. Oh, cool. Like Is it a jacket?
Carli:Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Liz:Did you, like, hang
Claire:it on your fridge or, like,
Liz:this It's it's not a whiteboard in the corner. Okay. But we also do the same thing for the Kardashians, which is not a reality show, but not dating. We'll, keep a score of wins and losses for each of them. Travis Barker last season was, like, a negative 20.
Liz:Like so but, yeah, we get really into reality shows. But yeah. So The Bachelor, love it, too hot to handle. I again, my roommate, Alex, and I, we watched the it was either the second to latest or the latest season to have to handle in actually one day, in her face.
Carli:The one with, like, Gianna, like, the really long blonde hair, and then, like, they had the old ones come back, like Louie
Liz:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Liz:Oh my gosh.
Carli:That was crazy.
Liz:That was crazy. Okay. Yes. It was that one. Yeah.
Liz:Because I was like, honestly, you're throwing a name at me that I don't know because, again, I forget about them the minute I'm done. I'm like, bye.
Carli:Well, I still love them all on Instagram. It's like every day I'm, like, scrolling through.
Liz:You're literally keeping their Instagram, like, ad revenue, like, alive, honestly. Me. It's just me. It's just you. And then Love is Blind.
Liz:I've watched every season of that. Can I talk about the ultimatum really quick?
Carli:I've heard of the ultimatum of Perfect Match.
Claire:No. I haven't watched it. I have seen the ultimatum. I forgot about that. Well, Ultimatum.
Claire:Eva gets
Liz:really into it. The Viva.
Claire:Give me Eva. Shout out.
Liz:The ultimatum is probably my favorite. And
Claire:It's a weird concept. Yeah. No. Yeah. Can I
Liz:for those Can I just say the con because, like, the concept is insane? So, basically, probably around what is it? Like, six couples, eight couples Sure. Come in. One of them has issued an ultimatum towards the other one.
Claire:Just break up.
Liz:Which well, yes. Then that's the point of the show, and that's really what they hammer in. Right. Also, if I have to see Nick and Vanessa, Lashay one more time on Netflix, I'm actually gonna lose Everyone.
Claire:They're everywhere. Think it's, like, sadly ironic that weren't they in the public eye for, like, having a failing marriage at
Liz:one point, and now they're the host of the ultimatum. She says it every single time. Yeah. She's always They never say anything in the show. She's like, you know, I issue Nick the ultimatum.
Liz:We're like, we get it. Oh my god, Vanessa.
Claire:Like, on every platform saying that your marriage
Liz:Yeah.
Claire:Could be much better.
Liz:Coming on Twitter. And then you guys are the the host of dating shows. Maybe you shouldn't. Anyways, so
Claire:Still have the ultimatum.
Liz:Nick and Vanessa Shay bring in eight couples, and one of them has issued the ultimatum to the other. And instead of working out their problems, like normal people, maybe therapy or
Claire:something up.
Liz:Or breaking up because that's also normal. They're instead going to pseudo breakup and all in the same resort, go and date other people from the other couples. They're gonna couple up with one of the other couples people. Switch from the
Carli:switch from the is violent. It's like that's what I was gonna say.
Liz:You live with them? That's what I was gonna say. My god.
Claire:Don't you live with them?
Liz:You live with them? So yes. So then after you're at the resort where you've had to watch your, your long term boyfriend, girlfriend also, some of them are not that freaking long term. Some of them are, like, two years issuing the ultimatum. Hang on for, like, five more months.
Liz:Just hurry up.
Claire:Like, sorry to poor people. But on the flip side, if I was one of the couples that was, like, a super long term one, it's like, the ultimatum is he needs like, he has to propose within a couple months. Girl, just go.
Carli:Yeah.
Claire:I know it's been so, so long, but if you're in this, it's like
Liz:bad for people that have more than seven years.
Claire:Why are you going on this show, though?
Liz:But, like okay. So that's the thing. This show is not gonna help you because Yeah. Now you're first of all, all
Claire:you're on you.
Liz:Also, the way that this like, the pacing of the show goes is that they literally, like I think the first minute of the show, you're getting into, like, very serious problems within these relationships. Yeah. I mean, like, they walk into this weird dinner table with a bunch of candles, and Nick and Vanessa share, like, at the head of the table and, like, so tell us why it's failing. And they're like, well, you know, he cheats on me. And you're like, oh, great.
Liz:Awesome. But, yeah, a good start. It's not like because, you know, sometimes with with, like, reality shows, like, The Bachelor, I feel like you'll you've probably noticed this before. The first date, the, like, the first one on ones Yeah. They always have to trauma dump
Claire:on the person. Yes. And someone's, like, crying,
Carli:and I'm like, you guys
Liz:just met thirty seconds ago.
Carli:Like, what no. What's going on?
Liz:No. Because so we always have a we have a joke when me and my roommates, we watch it of, like, okay. This girl, she's not gonna have a dad, or, like, or the mom is estranged or had relationship before. So we have to pick which one it is for everyone at one time.
Carli:The
Liz:bracket. It's exactly. It's part of the bracket. And, you know, you are kind of scored on how trauma dumpy it is. The craziest one I think you'll probably remember this.
Liz:Joey season, Maria. Oh. She her trauma dump was that one year old she got in a car accident.
Carli:She was a see, I didn't start watching until, like, halfway through, so I don't think I saw that. But she was a year old?
Liz:She was one year old, and that was her time with that.
Carli:Memories at one year old?
Liz:I don't think so. But apparently, she did of this when she was one. It was kinda different, like, a baby driver situation. But anyways, it was just like Yeah. And then you're like, what?
Liz:But it but it worked on joy because Maria was just so hot. Like True. It didn't, like, it didn't matter because she was just that sexy. Anyways, so the ultimatum does not follow that script where you slowly get to know the trauma of people. Instead, you just immediately know everything about these people, and you hate all of them.
Claire:I mean, it's elephant in the room that that's called the ultimatum.
Liz:Yeah.
Claire:So you obviously know these these couples are entering with problems. Oh, gosh. So you might as well just, like, confide in Nick and Vanessa Lachey immediately.
Liz:And 15 camera angles. Well, of course. Well, of course.
Claire:Well, of course. World. Right.
Liz:And the world.
Claire:And Netflix show.
Liz:And Netflix. But so then once you get paired up with there's a whole ceremony, by the way, of choosing the person. There's they have to spend at least forty five minutes choosing who they're and saying why they're choosing these people. When really, the only reason they're choosing them is because, like, they were the ones that they went on, like, three dates with over this time period at the resort. So then they have a trial marriage with this new person in the in, like, the hometown that they're from.
Liz:But in the latest season, they were all living in the same building as the other couples. What? So, like, one of the exes I don't know if that was always the way it is or if it was just more apparent this past season. Yeah. But in the past in the last season, like, the original boyfriend of this girl, like, came down and was, like, knocking on the door and stuff.
Liz:And I was like, this doesn't seem efficient. Realistic. Like, realistic or anything. You're not in a trial marriage if your ex boyfriend, not even your ex boyfriend, because they call each other exes immediately, by the way, and that pisses me off so much. They're like, yeah.
Liz:My ex here. Oh my god. I
Carli:broke up two days ago.
Liz:Bro, you guys were literally six years.
Claire:Yep.
Liz:Yeah. You're a partner of six years that you're gonna go and then have another trial marriage with in three weeks after the first trial marriage. So then they come back to their original person, and they're like, why are we having all these new problems? Because you introduced another person in your relationship.
Claire:Both have feelings for someone else. Yeah. And now you're trying
Carli:to It's not even one-sided. It's double sided. Both people are with other people. Like, there's no way. Well, then
Claire:you have the person that issued the ultimatum getting upset with the or I don't know, vice versa. I feel like I've seen, like, the person who got slapped with the ultimatum then is getting upset when the ultimatum giver likes the person more. Like, then everyone's just, like, pissed at each other because it's like, well, you made me come here, and now you're falling in love with someone else, and you're just stringing me along. Or, like, you're the reason we came here, and now you have a new girlfriend. Like, everyone's just all Right.
Liz:And so
Claire:then is no one I've never seen anyone that show, like, be happy Well, no.
Liz:By the end. Because number one, you came in unhappy. Like, you came in with a partner that doesn't wanna be with you. Yeah.
Claire:Fixing it with another emotionally unstable person in a failing relationship is not going
Liz:to help you. Again, pick someone that, like, what like, was given the ultimatum, and it'll be a girl that, like, came and by the way, interesting mix of who gives the ultimatum. Most of the times, it is the girl, but sometimes it's the guy and you're like, that's kind of strange. I don't know. Yeah.
Liz:But, anyways, it was it's like a whole thing.
Carli:Who who from the Ultimatum went on to perfect match? Because I know there was a few.
Liz:There was a couple. I literally can't think right now because, again, I don't remember them. Yeah. But I remember Harry Harry Chelsea was on the second season.
Carli:Oh, don't even get me started on Harry Chelsea. He has been been
Claire:on every so that's what I was gonna say. They had so much overlap. Yes. Because he was recycle them.
Carli:Yes. He was on two of the handle, then then he went on perfect match. But before perfect match came out, he went on dancing with the stars. And there was the whole thing with him and Riley Arnold, but he was still dating Jess from perfect match while he was on Dancing with the Stars. I I've listened to every single podcast.
Carli:I've watched every, like, this when
Liz:I didn't know that.
Carli:As my roommates. I was, like, actually obsessed with, like, the whole love triangle for, like, a straight year. It was so bad.
Claire:Riley of
Liz:Dancing with the Stars.
Claire:Who was just on with the gymnast.
Carli:Yes. So she, at the time, was 18, and Harry's twenty six.
Liz:No. Yes.
Carli:I'm so serious. I didn't know that either.
Claire:But even though Harry was on the show. See, he's just, like Yeah.
Carli:He's just Harry's a freak. He's everywhere. So basically, what happened was so he goes on perfect match over the summer and,
Liz:like Jess from the ultimatum was on Yes.
Claire:Because he did. Oh, shoot. Okay. Okay.
Carli:Yeah. So he meets Jess on the show.
Liz:Wait. No. She was on Love is Blind. Sorry.
Carli:Katrina. She was on the blind. But anyways, he goes on the show, meets Jess from Love is Blind. They start dating on the show, then they break up because he, like, basically cheated on her on the show. But then after the show's done, they get back together because he had all this groveling and bought her, like, some bracelet or something and was, like, gonna propose.
Carli:It was, like, it
Claire:was, like, it was,
Carli:like, in those $5,000, like, Van Cleef bracelets or whatever. Yeah. So
Liz:Okay. Fine.
Carli:I'm gonna go work. I'm sorry. He goes on Dancing with the Stars. Bracelet too. And then the whole thing with him and Riley, it's like, are they dating?
Carli:Are they not dating? Like, no one knows, but he has a secret girlfriend no one knows about. And Riley didn't know about her. It's Jess. So then him and Jess has a daughter also, mind you.
Carli:She's, like, 10. And Jess is, like, I don't even know how old, but here he's this 26 year old guy. Then they break up and then everything happens. Like, they get kicked off the show, whatever. They people notice, like, they unfollow each other and then refollow each other and unfollow each other.
Carli:So then but then he drops a podcast that's with, like, the unwell network. It's called Boyfriend Material with, like, Alex Cooper. Because this new podcast comes out, and he's, like, trashing Riley on the podcast. She's like the sweetest. She is yes.
Carli:She's literally, like, she's my girl. Like, I will go I would literally fight for her. I don't never even met her. I don't know her.
Claire:But They're like that. She's great.
Carli:So She's my girl. Yeah. She's my girl. But, anyways, yeah. It was crazy.
Carli:So then everyone's like, oh my gosh. She's such a horrible person. And it was just crazy. And I was just following the whole thing, like, just sitting there scrolling on my phone, like, oh my gosh. Got my popcorn.
Carli:It was crazy. So they all just overlap.
Claire:They all just They keep going on the same. And then in between It's the Netflix universe. The Netflix universe. Yes. In between recycling on the dating shows, they go on podcasts, and they make very kind of strange claims about everyone that everyone else knows.
Claire:Can I just briefly interject who and what Who is Mary Jo? The circle.
Liz:Oh, I don't know what's going on.
Claire:I feel like that was one where I saw a lot of I don't know. Recycling. Was that not a show?
Liz:I thought it was like a like a social media experiment. Well
Claire:Or was
Carli:it a game show? There's, like, the mole because people from the mole were on perfect match, but I don't think the mole is a dating show. Okay.
Claire:The circle is a competition series. I just think they were maybe They're in the Netflix universe.
Liz:Promoting it. Yeah. Oh my god. I'm reading the Google description here, and it literally tells you nothing. Can I read it really quick?
Liz:Yeah. Please. In this lighthearted and strategic competition series, the players must choose whether to be themselves or other people, all while chasing a cash prize. What? What does that mean?
Liz:It doesn't mean anything. They must choose to be themselves or others. Is it a catfishing show? Talk about catfish. That's a great reality show.
Claire:Wait. That's a show?
Liz:Technically not a dating show. Kind of
Carli:is, though. I feel like this. I mean, it's yeah. Like, people are usually, like, talking or, like, texting with
Claire:someone.
Liz:So people are yeah. So Catfish, the reality show, was based off a documentary that was also Catfish. And every week, this guy, Niamh, who was catfished for years, by the way. So that's why he wanted to make this show. Every week, these people, they've been talking online to these people for years, maybe sent them money, all this stuff.
Liz:They're like, I don't think this person's real because I've actually never spoke to them on the phone, never FaceTimed them, all this stuff. And you're like, what? And
Carli:And they'll be like, alright. We're gonna find this person. So they try to spend, like, two days. Yeah. They're like, let's meet up.
Carli:And then somebody, like, opens their garage, and it's, like, a 45 year old man. And then it's like, I guess, literally, like Yeah.
Claire:Is this a relationship forming for years?
Liz:For yes. Most of the time, for years. Wow. And it's funny because it's, like, all they do is image reverse. Like, they'll act like they're doing some investigative work.
Liz:It'll literally take them two days to, like, image reverse search and be like, that's a different person. Yeah. That's we need to call them. And so I'm like, this person never decided to maybe try that themselves. It's not like they're using some, like they're not even, like, filing, like, government document.
Liz:No. This is easier than filing a FOIA. Like, I don't understand what sorry. But I get really worked up. I feel like yeah.
Claire:Between the the three of us, I mean, how often can you find like, I have a friend you give for, like, a first name
Liz:No.
Claire:Of someone you saw at the bar one time. She goes, here's her Instagram.
Carli:What? So easy. Exactly. Times. Yep.
Carli:I'm really good at it too. You know what I mean? My social media. But, like, seriously, my friends will, like, have me find people. I'm, like, I can do it.
Liz:And, like, when something
Carli:in our living room, I'm just like, oh, here's this person that did so and so. And I'm here
Claire:on the social media. This could be their home.
Carli:I'll send them on their high school.
Liz:They're not gonna wear
Carli:high school. I was like, basketball. How high is your home?
Liz:They were number 17. That's cool. Like,
Carli:it's literally not that hard. Like, it's all out there. You just have to search their name and Right. Boom.
Claire:Yeah. Just, like, work a little.
Liz:I found I found my class crush today in my class that I was in. I was just like,
Claire:I mean, PQL is a Search the class list. To hit
Liz:class list, baby. Class list.
Claire:It's that weird. I love to stalk people's LinkedIns.
Liz:Oh, well yeah. But that's hard because then they're gonna see that.
Claire:So I did not know But that's good because I've seen that for
Liz:a long time. So I didn't know.
Claire:So I actually didn't know that for a while, and then one of my friends is like, so you know that some people get emails. Like, so and
Liz:so Like, straight up notifications.
Claire:So and so Clush notification. Carly and 18 others stalked your profile. And I was like, they what? And my roommates go, just because you turned off your email notifications does not mean the rest of the people using the app did that. Fuck.
Claire:And I actually remember sitting there like, okay. Well, I just spent all of my last class searching up people I should not have been searching up on.
Liz:That's So awesome.
Carli:So funny. I know that people can
Claire:see it. And sometimes I just
Liz:Claire, what did you think when you got those things? That was
Claire:I don't get them. I I turned off the LinkedIn
Liz:But it's still if you go on LinkedIn and look at your notifications, it'll say this person viewed your profile. It says
Claire:well, it's like this person, this person, and however many others. And I just kinda, like, glance Oh,
Liz:so you don't look at that? Not really. I'm constantly, like Yes.
Carli:Same on my profile. Who's in my profile today?
Claire:And I did that thing where on I think it was what? On TikTok, you could see who was on your profile. Yeah. You didn't know. But if you turn it off on yours, it it goes both ways.
Liz:It does. So you assume that it was the same.
Claire:I did that.
Liz:But you didn't even turn off notifications. You just don't look at them is what you're saying.
Claire:Now I think I'm on private mode on LinkedIn and TikTok. No. You can just turn up like, it says someone from Michigan State University stopped your thing. Wait.
Liz:Okay. We're running a lot of new things today. But you have
Claire:to go into the settings and do it. If you're gonna do some Internet stalking, know how to do it right. Because take it from me before you just willy nilly, begin looking at people you should not be looking up on LinkedIn.
Carli:Do your due diligence.
Claire:Yeah. Do your research. Quick Google search.
Liz:And did they have a job? Well, unemployed. Verdict, unemployed. Sorry. Haters.
Claire:Anyway, all I have to say What are we talking about? I'll have to say we could find information on someone. Oh, catfish. Right? Or not.
Liz:It's the
Claire:same way we find information on the contestants. I mean, immediately after. Yep. Somehow, I feel like I know every single I know Zach Shellcross.
Liz:Well, I do. Well, you do. We sold. Right.
Carli:Well, I also feel like with the thing, like, following people after the show, I'm more likely to do it with people on, like, too hot to handle because I feel like they're younger. Like, they're closer to, like, our age, like, college students. Because my roommate, she's from Illinois, so, like, a lot of her friends go to University of Illinois. And she was there one weekend, and one of the guys from the newest season goes to Illinois, and she just saw him, like, out at the bar.
Liz:Oh my god. And he
Carli:was there. That's crazy. Yeah. And then so I'm like, I feel like that gives me a little more incentive to, like, see what they're doing because I'm like, where it's like, I can be there. State.
Carli:Yeah.
Liz:Well, yeah. Because the batch people are a little bit older because they're like, I'm really ready to settle down. Tuatha handle isn't exactly that. No. We we need to talk a little bit about Two out to handle.
Carli:We do.
Liz:Yeah. Because
Claire:I feel like it's an entirely different beast for
Liz:the show. Because it's like The vibe is so Like, why do we have to add this thing where you can't kiss, you can't have sex? And then they're constantly like, we're gonna put you in a room, and there's gonna be sex toys in it, and you guys should not have sex because we're gonna take away money from you guys. Yeah. And then you're, like It's like a social experiment.
Liz:Yeah. But okay. They call all of these shows social experiments. No. It's like humiliation rituals.
Liz:Because the ultimatum is not a social experiment because it's failed so many times. Right. You're never going to get you're never going to stay with someone who has issued the ultimatum, and then you date someone else, and then you date them again, and then you're like, I'm mad at you, and then we're gonna sit together.
Claire:That's how Temptation Island was because it was a similar thing. Like, they show up to this island and, like, it's, like, six couples on the verge of breaking up. And so the the guys Oh,
Liz:that's what it is? I thought it was, like, another two out there handle where, like, you guys can't kiss for, like,
Claire:some weird complex All the guys go to one island full of young single women, and all the girls
Carli:It's like Casa Amor
Claire:Yeah.
Carli:In Love Island.
Liz:Go to
Carli:it's just Casa Amor, though.
Claire:We go to an island of just young hot men, and you can't see so, like, you separate from your partner, and you get once a week an out of context security looking It's cousin Moore. Yeah. Security footage looking thing where you you, like, kind of see them flirting with someone else, and then it cuts. And that's all the contact you have. So the whole thing is, like, you have to trust that your partner's not cheating on them.
Claire:But then as the weeks progress, they start allowing each partner more and more, like, let's see what your boyfriend's doing on the island. What do you think that video's gonna show?
Carli:And then the girl's crying,
Liz:and then
Claire:the guy's like, she's talking to You read a contract to get on this show. That was the first time I watched her. I'm like, peep this can't be
Carli:how Wait. I wanna watch that.
Liz:Need to watch
Claire:the Because I feel like they stopped doing it, though. But how many like, the ultimatum. How many couples do you think are successful after you watch you watch and the world watches you get cheated on an island away?
Carli:Yeah. We're,
Claire:like, you're not bouncing back from Nope.
Carli:Mm-mm. Because that's what happened on the new season of love island when, like, the boys went to, like, Casa. I don't know. Have you guys watched that season?
Liz:No. I even watched the most recent season. No. And there's a lot of episodes.
Carli:Yeah. That one I get them confused
Claire:on too hot to get on Love Island, I constantly get confused.
Carli:Yeah. Well, that one, like, blew up, that season specifically. And I just remember, like, at the time, like, seeing all these memes of, like, one of the girls, her name's Kayla, like, crying after she got a video, and then I just watched it, like, over a break, and it's crazy. Like, they literally get so upset, and it's like, what do you think? Like, he he's going into this, like, villa with all these girls.
Carli:Like, you
Liz:know what's happening. It's not like any of them
Carli:have never watched Love Island before. Like, they
Liz:know where they're going. Right.
Carli:And I'm like
Liz:No. Honestly, that's why I feel like with Too Hot to Handle where it's like because all of them get tricked into coming to too hot to handle because they think it's some brand new, like, show. I mean, there are a lot of dating shows out there. I would get it if it would because, like, one of them was like, it's Fire Island, but also new dating show for hot singles. And then they see that stupid Febreze robot that's like, I'm gonna I'm we're I know.
Liz:I was not I'm not gonna say what I was gonna say, but you cannot use your genitals. Sorry. She cuts them off. And and and then they're like, oh, no. I can't believe I got tricked and I'm too hot to handle.
Liz:And it's like, no. You knew.
Claire:Also, like, you had to uproot your life and sign a bunch of paperwork. That honestly I'm gonna blame you a little bit here. Who
Liz:signs up for too hot to handle and actually gets on? I don't know. I don't know.
Claire:I'm gonna blame you a little bit. Read the fine print because legally, I highly doubt that a company this large could actually trick you. Right. No. Like, that has to be illegal.
Claire:And none of them are ever outraged enough to be like,
Liz:we're suing.
Carli:No. They're just like, I'm leaving right now.
Claire:Because they all remember in their model brains, like, oh, we did sign a contract, and none of us read the fine print. We just were like, yeah. Guys.
Carli:It's so I I you know what? I wonder? I wonder how they find people. Because, like, I know you can, like, sign up to be like, Netflix has a website where you can, like, submit your application to be a Netflix. I've oh, I've gone to I've loved that.
Carli:I've been like, guys, should I apply? Like, my
Claire:I feel like you should.
Carli:No. My roommates are, like,
Claire:think I'm gonna end up on
Carli:dating show because that's how much I love them. Like, I talk about them all the time. They're like, you're
Claire:gonna be on one.
Carli:And I was like, you know, if I'm 28
Claire:and still single, I
Carli:would would consider it.
Claire:I think you'd be, like, the fan favorite.
Liz:Yeah. Literally.
Claire:I feel like people would be like, we
Liz:You should be the villain, though. Like, you should strategize and be the villain.
Carli:That's what I'm saying. How to do it
Liz:because I watch
Carli:so much. I know.
Claire:I'd be so good at that.
Liz:No. That's the thing. You there's a strategy for the villain. There's a strategy for, like, the girl who, like, is the final girl or whatever.
Claire:Like It's kind of like a a formula. Mhmm.
Liz:Yeah. That's more for the bachelor because, like Yeah.
Carli:I would Love
Liz:Island, you kinda just
Carli:And, like, also, to have to handle I don't think they kick people off.
Liz:Do they? They don't, but then they
Carli:you know what? Competing for the money.
Liz:There's always that stupid person, though. It's usually a guy that is on too hot to handle who's like, guys, we we have to pay attention to the money. Like, it's not about the money. And, also, 200, you know, I've totally figured out that game too. I could totally do it if if if asked, if necessary, I would know how to win this game because you have to come in, be, like, super, like, bad and, like, and be, like, slutty and, like, like, and, like, make out and or, like, or, like, kiss a bunch of people or, like, have sex with them.
Liz:And then you and then you have to have a change of heart and, like, couple up with someone and have that one eighty because it's not based on who didn't spend And that's why the guy who's always worried about the money is always in the wrong and the most boring and the most annoying.
Carli:You're like, get off my screen.
Claire:You're not
Liz:doing anything. You're literally not doing anything. You're not getting any. So get out.
Carli:The money.
Claire:You're just saying I'm
Liz:not getting late. Nobody cares. And then the person that wins is always the one that was, like, slutty at first and then is, like, found love.
Carli:Yeah. And then it's, like, and then it's, like, they wake up two weeks later.
Liz:And then they ring, like, Franchesca and Terry.
Carli:Oh, yes. Wait. She just had a baby or two. She had twins.
Liz:Yes. Good for her. Damn. Because Francesca was and I she was on
Claire:a lot
Liz:of dates. Dated multiple times.
Carli:Yeah. Her and Harry, they dated on the show, and then I think they, like, broke up, got back together. And then weren't they on the same no. They were on different seasons of perfect match. They were.
Carli:On the first season, and he was on
Liz:the second. The minute that Harry got into the perfect match, she was with Jess.
Carli:Yeah. And they would've mm-mm. She would've She probably would've, like, yelled at him on that.
Liz:Yeah.
Claire:Yeah. Who's everyone's favorite I don't wanna say character. Person they've ever watched across any reality TV show. Like, someone maybe they're your favorite because they were the villain and you still follow them on Instagram.
Liz:I Or you rooted for them? I do love Joey. I do.
Claire:I really do. Like the people's
Liz:He's Yeah. He's the people's friends. He's prince Diana. I know
Carli:I hope this goes viral so he sees us calling him princess Diana.
Liz:No. I feel like he No.
Claire:He does, though. He knows
Liz:that his little drawnest eyes. That's that was a big topic. You're probably Yeah.
Claire:It was. Guys. He looks like that koala from Sing.
Liz:He does.
Claire:Is that cute?
Liz:I just want a pinch of his
Carli:Buster, I think, is the koala's name.
Claire:Buster Moon. Buster Moon. Yeah.
Liz:That's good.
Claire:I don't know. Sorry. I just
Liz:said that. I also love Maria who was on the Joey season.
Carli:I do have mixed opinions about Maria.
Liz:Tell me. Well Please.
Carli:My thing is, like, I didn't really watch the season close enough to see, like, everything that she did, but I just remember I was watching one of the rose ceremonies, and literally all the girls are standing Joey, I need to talk to you, and, like, pulls them away. And I was like, oh my god.
Claire:The rose ceremonies. I was like, that just rubbed me the wrong way.
Carli:And then ever since I saw that, I was just like, I don't know. I think I just
Liz:She didn't go home that night, though. She went home the next
Carli:night, I
Liz:think. Mhmm. That was the night that Jen went home. Oh my god. I do love
Carli:Jen too.
Liz:I like Jen too. Jen got totally screwed over on her season of the bachelorette Yeah. She did. That guy that was so annoying Oh. And ugly.
Liz:And I thought that he was gonna be the villain of the season, and then he ended up clinching
Claire:the bag. Yeah. And I was so mad that
Liz:he could pick Jonathan. Clinching.
Carli:Jonathan was so
Liz:cute. That's exactly what we were talking. We were also saying that Jonathan should have been this bachelor.
Carli:Yeah. I he would have been so good. He was I do love Grant. I do love Grant.
Liz:So we need to talk about the bachelor right now.
Claire:Wait. So yeah. Sorry. Really quick. There was just a bachelor or bachelorette breakup.
Carli:Rachel and Matt. Thank you. Mhmm.
Claire:I what is the appeal with Matt? I think he's like, sorry.
Carli:I didn't watch a season, but
Claire:I didn't watch it either. I just saw that she was on Call Her Daddy. Well And then, of course, suddenly, I was like, I
Liz:have to
Claire:know everything about this
Carli:because My my bachelor and bachelorette knowledge comes from Dancing with the Stars because they'll always that was like that was like my first ever show. Yeah. Yes. I literally I'm not even kidding. I've been watching that show since I was, like, two years old.
Carli:Like, there's videos of me in, like, dance costumes, like, dancing around. I'm trying to be on dancing with the stars. Anyways Oh my god.
Claire:You will be on a reality
Liz:TV show. 10000%. Yeah.
Carli:So yeah. But Matt and Rachel, they've been together for a while because I feel like like, three or four years maybe, but he's just, like, really goofy, I think. Like, funny. Like, he's got a good personality, and, like, he's cute. But I guess they're did you listen to the podcast?
Carli:I listened to
Claire:clips of it. Same.
Carli:And I think that he was just very, like, emotionally, like, not invested, it seems like. Like, she was always trying to, like, please him and, like, apologize, and he would just be like, why are you apologizing? Like, you don't need to. Like, it's fine.
Liz:Right. She would
Carli:just be like, but I'm sad.
Liz:Yeah.
Claire:It seemed, like, strange. I but I didn't know what year that was. But then, like, I went on his Instagram, and I saw that, like, I had a bunch of, like, friends and, like, people following him. So I'm like, wait. Did I just miss a huge thing?
Claire:But, anyway, sorry. That was just on my mind.
Liz:No. It's my one. What about you guys' favorites?
Claire:I am gonna say, well, Zach and Katie because, I mean, I'm biased. The only season I watched with The Bachelor. Katie played that game
Liz:so well.
Claire:And we know
Liz:what you final girl the whole time. The one thing I remember about Katie that was so good was her last one on one date was her inviting him over to her house to build a cabinet for him and, like, play, like, play husband for the day. And I'm like, you are so smart. Yes. She is.
Liz:Number one, you got free labor. Number two Number one. Number two, he's gonna be like, oh my god. That was so, like, that was so wifey of
Carli:of her. Yeah. Boom. Period.
Liz:And then she won.
Claire:I'm gonna say my favorites date back to my first ever season of Love is Blind. Love is Blind season one. Okay. Everyone's first season of Love is Blind. I was just so invested in them, and there was this one couple.
Claire:They might still be together. I forget his name. Cameron and Lauren, maybe? Probably the most normal people to come across that show. Okay.
Liz:Well, they didn't have time to find the crazies yet.
Claire:Yeah. Exactly. That was, like, a some of the people on that were crazy. And those are the people that I will still periodically check-in on because I think that's just, like, where it started for me with reality dating shows. Oh, yeah.
Liz:Yeah. Fire.
Claire:So every once in a while,
Liz:I've Oh, I remember thinking he was super cute too. Yeah. So She's super pretty.
Carli:Yeah. She is really pretty.
Claire:It's kind of like a boring answer because they were just kind like, I
Liz:didn't like the drama one.
Claire:And I wish I'd just snarked. But, like, just for me. Right. And that season just really left a mark on
Carli:me. Yeah.
Claire:This is the first, like, what is happening right now? Yeah. Oh, yeah. My faves. Other favorites, guys?
Carli:For me, I think my bachelor favorite, Joey. Mhmm. And Kelsey wasn't a bachelorette, but I just love her. Like, I loved her. Yeah.
Carli:And I just think she's just such a, like, cool person, great personality. She's funny. Like, all of her TikToks just crack me up. Yeah.
Liz:Yeah. They're just like a goofy couple.
Carli:Yeah. They are. And then too hard to handle, I'm gonna have to say Harry because he's the villain, but, like, he's so entertaining. I just can't stop following what he's doing. He has
Liz:everywhere factor.
Claire:Yeah. They're the he knows it too. Mhmm. Oh, that's so annoying.
Carli:Yeah. And, like, he also transfers over to perfect match because he was on that too. Like, that was drama. I do like Jess. She was from Love is Blind.
Liz:Yeah. I love
Carli:her in Jess too. I think she's cool. And, like, she her daughter's from here too.
Liz:We found that a little guy that, like the one that she was on love is blind with that, like, turned her down for the other girl. Yes. Number one, that was, like, instant karma because they were such a terrible couple together, and she was so annoying. But but he was also so, like, bland white toast Mhmm. That was, like, it was so bad.
Claire:Jimmy. Jimmy hated that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Pepe Pimp.
Liz:Such a manipulator, but the girl he was with too, low key crazy. So it was like thing was they balanced each other out very well in a way that was Oh my god.
Claire:The couple that had to leave the show, the one dude I don't know if it was the same season. Was his name maybe Zach or something? Yeah. He thought that he picked the wrong girl, so he leaves the show. He calls his second choice.
Claire:She comes back on with him.
Liz:Yes.
Claire:What was her name? Something with a b, maybe?
Liz:I remember that, though, but I remember Zach being like
Claire:they got married and had a kid.
Liz:No way.
Claire:So sometimes you do make the wrong
Liz:first choice. Crazy though. Wait. Let me look at that. I remember being like, oh my god.
Liz:Zach is so annoying for this. Like, I can't believe he's like, oh, be just because the one girl left me, I'm gonna go get the other girl. And I was like, girl, stand up. Don't go with him. Bliss.
Liz:Bliss.
Claire:Zach and Bliss. I think they're still together. Wow.
Liz:You know what? I think they're at the last reunion together.
Claire:I think you're right. Zach and Bliss, baby is the second
Liz:I love the reunion episodes.
Carli:Oh my gosh. Speaking of reunions, I need to watch the Love Island season six reunion because I haven't yet. But I just I, like, literally, am obsessed with that. I haven't finished season. Actually, I have, like, a few more episodes, but I didn't say my converts from that show.
Carli:I love I don't know if you guys know Olivia Walker. She was on that season, but, like, she literally stood on business. Like, she was, like, standing up for people left and right.
Liz:Oh,
Carli:mom. And, like, she she had, like, matches, but, like, she was never really, like, super coupled up with someone, which, like, I honestly love because she was just there for her girls. And, like, it was just, like, the best energy.
Liz:And I know because there's always a character like that I feel like on the
Claire:she's, like, too hot to handle. There's always,
Liz:like, a girl's girl. Yeah.
Claire:Yeah. Yeah. Fire. Do you guys wanna talk about the current season of
Liz:The Bachelor before we Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I I also wanna explain Love Shark High at some point,
Carli:towards land. Is that, like, high schoolers?
Liz:So no.
Claire:But do
Carli:that now.
Liz:Actually okay. Love Shark High, and this is sort of a call to action, for the people. Okay. You should go watch this. Number one, it is sort of like it it's I think it's supposed to be a play on Mean Girls, but it's not.
Liz:Because for some reason, Lindsay Lohan is, like, the narrator over all of it. You never see her what? It's just her voice. But, anyways, Love Struck High is it's a UK dating show. They have way too many over there in The UK.
Liz:I just remembered one that I didn't write down that I need to talk about after this really quick. I actually just I my eyes lit up. But, anyways, Love Struck High, they go and basically, like, weirdly role plays like they're back in high school again. Like, they have all these, like, weird challenges where they're, like, doing cheerleading, and they, like, eat in a lunchroom and everything.
Claire:Like grown adults.
Liz:And they're, like, grown adults, and they're, like, going back and it's, like, it's all, like, high school based.
Claire:Pay your mortgage. Like, what are you doing? Literally, like That's funny.
Liz:Hinge. Hinge, please.
Claire:Download Hinge.
Liz:Let's do that.
Carli:Download Hinge. Let's do this.
Liz:I feel like that's, like, a just, like, overall Mhmm. Theme of this, like, thing. It's like, you don't have to go on dating shows. Tell them that
Claire:plenty of apps you can get.
Liz:Actually just come for the dating. Wow. It got so it's just really hard out there.
Carli:It is tough out there. You don't plan some dating apps.
Liz:It's just it it's not serving me.
Carli:And also, like, the messages people send, I'm like, why are you sending that?
Liz:How about think before you send?
Carli:Yeah. Or, like, I just learn the
Claire:right your and your, like,
Liz:please. Mhmm. Mhmm. That's a really good one. Yeah.
Liz:But I one more about UK Sorry. Yeah. UK dating shows. I don't know if you guys have seen this one before because I didn't write this down in the doc. It's called Naked Attraction.
Carli:What? Wait. I've heard of this.
Claire:Taylor knows. Taylor's like, yes.
Liz:So basically I'm sorry.
Claire:Naked attraction? Naked attraction. It's like a naked and a face.
Liz:Yep. That one, Taylor. Great. Basically, one person it's a really weird power dynamic. One person who is clothed, stop making it before they know what it is.
Liz:They don't know what's going on.
Carli:Taylor's doing hand motions to
Liz:I mean, yes. That's exact so I'll do it as well. But there's one person, really bad power imbalance, who has all their clothes on and who is then observing Oh. People who are do not have their clothes on fully
Claire:naked, and that means they don't blur anything at all. So you're seeing full
Liz:And they're just watching them. And And not just watching. Judging. So, basically let me let me do this. I never you cannot pay
Claire:me any someone, buddy.
Liz:Stops here. So the first thing that you see of a person's genitalia, you have to send someone home based on that. Then you move up, and it's the top part of your body right before, like, your, like, collarbone. You send someone home from that. Then their face, they're not allowed to talk, though, and you send someone home from that.
Liz:Then finally, they get to answer some questions. Send another person home. You're down to your final two. And there's a guys and girls in
Claire:the spider. No worries. That's all in one It's
Carli:like tearing up. And then
Liz:and then in the last round of the two people, the person that was judging them then also gets naked, just, you know, to keep it fair.
Carli:I can't
Liz:believe this
Claire:is real.
Carli:Like, I can't believe this is real.
Liz:Person with the only person with a power imbalance till the end is the host. Has her clothes on the whole time. And I'm like, girl, take it off off because you're being rude right now. What is this on? Netflix?
Liz:It's on HBO Max. Oh, no.
Carli:I do not. We cannot promote this on Netflix.
Claire:Nobody watched this.
Liz:It's gonna be clipped. But, yeah, if I clip this, chat can clip this. But, basically, it's so great and
Carli:it's It's so great.
Liz:It's so great. I watch it with my roommates. And me and my roommate, Alex, really love it, but then Mia and Jack last time, just absolutely hate it. Think it's the worst thing they've ever seen in their lives. And you know, but it's it's it you know it's a good show when it's polarizing.
Liz:So that is just one of the dating shows that I would recommend. Oh my god. Oh my god. It's super intense. It's super intense.
Carli:Based on the hand motion, yeah,
Liz:this is it. And thank you, Taylor, for the inspiration on that. Really coordinating back there. Taylor's signaling. Yeah.
Liz:So yeah. It it's Wow.
Claire:Yeah. It's, like, sweating. That's, like Woah. That's, like, horror movie night. That was a lot.
Claire:No. I'm never having a movie night at
Carli:your house
Liz:again because I'm afraid
Claire:you're gonna put that on.
Liz:Awesome. Yeah. So those those are my two recommendations of just, like, the worst ones I've seen.
Carli:Okay.
Liz:I'd recommend Temptation Island if it's still running. I'm gonna watch that now. Yeah.
Carli:I think we can still go back
Claire:to the first, like, season or two. What's it
Carli:what is it on?
Claire:I think I watched it on Peacock.
Liz:We could Seems like a Peacock, actually.
Claire:It probably is. Do you guys wanna Yeah.
Liz:So really quick
Claire:bachelor thoughts before we close?
Liz:Carly are actually opposed on this.
Carli:Oh my god. We are.
Liz:But you also haven't seen the latest episode of the Bachelor.
Carli:I need to catch up.
Claire:Oh. No spoilers, guys.
Liz:Because I'm always looking for the person who's gonna be the villain. Right? I fear that the villain is Grant, the bachelor, because Hot take. Hot take. I think it will be Grant, because he low key is making up songs and saying them No.
Liz:To the girls at the gate. And the fur that was in the first one on one day. He did a little ditty on the piano, and the girl that was on the date had to be like, oh my god. Did you just come to the office? If
Claire:you're a man
Liz:We can tell. We can tell you just came
Claire:up with that. A man and on a first date, you're engaging in some type of, like, musical instrument or and that's not guitar. And that's not your, like, thing. Like, if you're not a singer His thing is basketball. Right.
Claire:And don't do that.
Liz:I love that they give the bachelor's a thing. Like, his thing's basketball. Joey's was tennis. Yeah. He also being from Hawaii.
Liz:Weird. What? He's not from Hawaii. He lived in Hawaii.
Claire:I didn't even know that. That's cool.
Liz:Oh, yeah.
Claire:She's adding into her notes of things about you.
Liz:Oh, yes, Joey. I
Claire:didn't even know that. Wait. Like, where in Hawaii, though?
Carli:Did you know his address?
Claire:Oh my god. I found his house. Zillow.
Liz:I do love a good school.
Claire:Grant's gonna be the villain?
Liz:Grant's the villain because Because he's singing. He because he's singing too much. Well, and then the second group date was okay. The two group dates from the last episode were actually terrible. Sorry.
Liz:I'm totally spoiling it.
Carli:No. I don't care. Honestly, I don't watch it closely.
Claire:I put
Carli:it on the background.
Liz:Okay. Perfect. That's ridiculous. Me and my roommate's locked in. We got to be locked.
Liz:We are locked in.
Carli:Once there's less people, I pay attention more because
Claire:I feel like I can get involved.
Carli:Right now, I'm just like, I don't know who any of these people are. And so
Claire:Half of you are gonna fall off anyway. Yep. So
Liz:Yeah. It's true. Wow. But the one group date was he made them play basketball, which is just like I we were like, me and my roommates were thinking about it. We're like, that is the worst day ever because we're so uncoordinated.
Liz:We would suck. So also, you can't fake being good at basketball because there's, like, five people on the court. Like, you're like and all these girls were all these girls were so bad. All these girls were so bad and so short. Anyways, it was really good.
Carli:He's super tall, so they probably looked even shorter.
Liz:Yeah. And then the second group date was they they had to come up as a girl group with a love song for grandpa. Singing.
Claire:And the singing happening when
Liz:it's not working. Really, really, really bad. And they all had, like, their own verse, and I was just like, I need and then we had to decide between all of my roommates, which date would you rather be on? And I said, god forbid. I guess I have to go on the basketball date.
Claire:I'd play basketball. Yeah.
Carli:I'd play basketball too. I think I'd actually enjoy that, though. Like
Liz:They were playing with kids too, and I was like, low key, because he he was the first okay. Again, another thing that he's the villain. He wanted to see if they were good with kids because he really wants kids. I'm like, bro, this is the first group date. There's, like, 11 girls here.
Liz:Yeah.
Claire:How are you gonna tell if they're How are you gonna tell? Kids. Yeah. Yeah.
Liz:I know. It was But and then also, on the first date I'm sorry. On the first date, the first one on one date, they were doing the, you know, trauma dump script
Carli:as you do. Classic.
Liz:And she was like, yeah. Like, she had a pretty bad one, actually. It was like estranged mom didn't have her dad around and all this stuff, and so she came up with a like, she has a very unconventional family. She was raised by her grandparents. And I was like, okay.
Liz:And he, instead of doing, like, the normal thing that you do on your trauma dump script like, I'm so sorry to have news. Thank you for telling me. Yeah. Thank you for Exactly. Thank you for sharing that.
Liz:That means a lot that you wanna open up to me like that.
Claire:Me with this.
Liz:To intro exactly. Instead, he said, and you know what's crazy? You're gonna have another shot at having that family one day. Oh. And instead was like and and part of, like, everything me and my roots were saying was like, yeah.
Liz:But not with me. Sorry. Like, that's, like, that's what it was kind of doing. Bye. It was just, like, so weird and, like, condescending.
Liz:He already got in trouble for telling another girl, like, you're really pretty, so I don't think anyone says no to you. Oh, yeah. And she was
Carli:like forgot about that. Yeah. That was weird.
Liz:So that's not true, and that's just, like, a weird thing to say. And he had to be like, really sorry. I didn't think when I said it. And I was like, Grant, you are off to such a terrible start. But, yeah, I miss Joey and Grant.
Liz:I'm sorry. And here's the thing. I didn't really love Zach. I I feel like I can't say that. But, like, Zach low key came off a little fake at times, but, like, fake is better than, like, being an asshole.
Liz:And low key grants coming off of that. Sorry. Agreed. Go ahead.
Carli:Well, I was just gonna say
Liz:There's a lot.
Carli:Do you have any standouts from the first few episodes?
Claire:Like, who
Carli:are your favorites? And then Mhmm.
Liz:I'll I'll
Carli:tell you mine, and we'll see if we agree.
Liz:Let's do that. Yeah. Rose is really cute.
Carli:Gonna say her. She's super cute.
Liz:She's super cute. Love her. Me when I'm trying go ahead and tell me yours.
Carli:I was gonna say Alex, the girl with
Liz:the llama. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because I
Carli:I at first was like, you know, she's a little over the top, but when they talked, I actually really like her personality, and, like, I think they had a good connection. Oh. So
Liz:Chloe, the redhead model.
Carli:Oh, yeah. She's super pretty.
Liz:She's super pretty.
Carli:She literally is gorgeous, and she's, like, funny too and, like, cute. She has a good personality.
Liz:Yeah. The girl from Birmingham, Michigan is actually scary. Yeah. She did that AI
Carli:Yes. Yes.
Claire:She made an
Liz:AI like, what was like, not a PowerPoint PowerPoint. With pictures of her in and AI kids. Having kids and their web There are other ways
Claire:to be memorable.
Carli:And you could you could tell he was uncomfortable. He was kinda like, oh, wow.
Liz:That's that's awesome.
Claire:And you can do that privately by yourself. That was first night.
Liz:She had a TV.
Carli:She was, like, she was ready to go.
Liz:I don't remember who did this, actually, who it was, but I really like the T shirt cannon entrance.
Carli:Oh, that was funny. I did think I thought there was a lit like, I kinda was like, is this pick me? Like, I don't know. Especially because she was shooting them with the other girls.
Liz:Oh, yeah.
Carli:Yeah. Was kinda like, I don't know. But I just I
Claire:don't know.
Liz:He was having a great day.
Carli:He he liked that. He was like, oh, t shirt cannon.
Liz:Yeah. So simple. But yeah. I I think that's all my thoughts are about. There's only been two episodes Yeah.
Liz:Of the bachelor. So we'll see.
Claire:So stay tuned.
Liz:Keep an update. Me and Vivian did actually if you wanna go back to old seasons, me and Vivian did a whole recap last season or, like, two seasons ago. We'll have highlights.
Carli:Yeah. If you meet anyone, anything pop culture,
Claire:dating shows, music videos. Actually.
Liz:It's me. So Boom. Well, any last thoughts on dating shows, guys?
Claire:Stay safe out there if you're applying. Stay safe if you're watching.
Liz:You need
Claire:to to apply.
Carli:I was gonna say, maybe you'll see me on one
Liz:of the day. Low key then this will be viral then, and it'll be like Carly talked about to have to handle before she went on it. Like, and then not that that's the one you really wanna go on. Yeah. I feel like you're more of the
Carli:best one.
Claire:Shoes. I'm trying to think. You'd be so
Liz:good on the best one, I feel like.
Carli:I think yeah. I think well, this is my plan. Oh. I actually have a plan. Four step one.
Liz:Find your plan.
Carli:Okay. Step one, get on the bachelor.
Liz:Yes.
Carli:Lose. Become the bachelorette. Yes. Get a husband. Go on dancing with the stars.
Carli:As the bachelorette, Win. There's my place. Yeah. Win Dancing with the Stars.
Claire:And we're excited to watch that happen for you. Thank you. We heard it here first, everyone.
Carli:Yep. You'll see me there.
Liz:Well, guys, watch Naked Attraction, and I'll see you next week.
Claire:Alright. Bye bye.