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The Psychedelic Psychologist is a conversational-style podcast hosted by Dr. Ryan Westrum with clients and guests who use talk therapy to integrate Psychedelic experiences for healing and personal transformation. Tune in to hear people’s experiences, breakthroughs and stories of healing addiction, depression, and trauma through Psychedelics. Dr. Ryan Westrum gracefully and empathetically narrates real therapy sessions with people in their most vulnerable and transformational moments.
I would like to invite you to take a
moment, a moment in your day, to pause,
breathe,
and find peace, comfort, and
calmness with each breath in,
and with each breath out, letting all
the to do's, the tasks, and the wonder,
to drift, to not feel so heavy, and allow
the creative mind, the open heart, to
And the spirit to fly,
breathing in and breathing out
the calm crystallization, the clarity,
the ease, all at your fingertips,
finding grounding with each breath.
Now coming back to focus, placing
hands gently on lap, holding hearts,
whatever feels called to you.
Hi, it's Ryan.
Welcome to your weekly dose of the
Psychedelic Psychologist, where I
invite my guests to share stories
about their psychedelic experience.
We cover a variety of topics from
overcoming addiction and severe
depression to finding wholeness and
spiritual emergence Here we are, Travis.
Hi, Dr.
Ryan.
What are you feeling in this moment?
And where are you at?
I'm fucking great.
Six weeks later, fucking great.
What would you say is the wonderful magic
and medicine that provides you this?
When you think about getting sober and
you think about anything with alcohol or
anything with addiction, the first thing
that comes to your mind is struggle, pain,
just struggle, pain.
And this is not that it's like,
once you, once you decide you're
going to take The mushroom medicine,
psilocybin, and you submit and you
go, okay, I'm no longer in control.
That humbles you.
And then the three weeks in between,
it's like the knowledge starts to
build and like, you don't even know
the knowledge that it's in you.
It just kind of unfolds over the weeks.
And then the second ceremony, it was
like a gentle, I don't even know.
Like it was like, the last one
was like, You got pummeled by
a 200 foot giant with 20 arms.
And this one was like, you know, some
delicate angel put you in a fricking
rocking chair and rocked you to sleep.
And I mean, And what's your body
saying to you after that experience?
What's alive in your body right now?
Well, it's really weird.
Cause so when we went, we went
to go start this podcast, dr.
Ryan, you know, I'm a,
I smoke a lot of pot.
That's been one of my things.
And I really was gonna say I need a second
to take a toke real quick, and I had that
craving, and I just, I took a minute, I
took a deep breath, and it just went away,
and I was like, damn, I don't need shit.
Even though, if I want to take
a toke, I can take a toke, but
I didn't need to take the toke.
Right.
And you and I have been talking a
lot about the cross addiction of
cannabis with alcohol and in this
moment, would you acknowledging
about your relationship to cannabis?
I can use cannabis more as a medicine
versus ways to get fucked up.
And I don't want to keep dropping
the F bomb, but there really is
no other word to describe that.
Just that.
Just the disassociation and
the desire to get fucked up.
Yeah, like there's no other
word that describes fucked up.
What are you?
You're fucked.
And you're fucked.
And so were you bringing me really, we've
taken this full circle and I'm humbled
by your commitment to documenting it,
but also your diligence and vigilance of
doing and listening to the invitations.
So your spirit guide then offered you
a second ceremony, which was MDMA.
Tell me about that.
And what's the that's, that's what I mean.
That's that, that soft blanket.
Like I was expecting I'm going
to get pummeled by a giant.
And then I showed up and they're
like, no, no, no, no, no.
You just get, you just get
in a nice little pajamas.
There's no fighting today.
But the addict has always thought it's,
it has to be painful, it has to be,
healing has to be hard, healing has
to, as you said, get you all fucked
up and knock you around, but really,
if you become a sacred witness to
the medicine, what does it tell you?
That
you don't need all that shit, you're
free, you're okay how you are.
Is that what you feel
right now in your body?
Fuck yeah.
I feel excited, I feel like I'm 21 again.
You know, when you're, you're in your
twenties and you're excited about life
because life hasn't shit on you so bad.
And you're still like, I
feel like that again, right?
Pure, pure hearted.
You had made a comment to me as
we've talked about integration,
that clarity is clarity is King, Dr.
Ryan.
Yeah.
And speak about what the clarity is
that you're having in this moment.
And so when you're an addict, think
about this, your, your body's a battery.
It only has got so much juice.
So if 60 to 70 percent of my thoughts
a day is smoking or drinking or
wanting to satisfy a craving, that only
leaves like 30 percent battery power
left for me to do creative thinking.
So now it's like I only got 10
percent of my body thinking.
about smoking or drinking, and
it's not even 10, maybe it's 5.
So now I have 95 percent of my own
thoughts back, which I didn't have
any of those, like, I can think about
my fucking projects, I can like Yeah,
you talked about a brain fog that has
been lifted, can you speak a little
bit about what that experience was?
So I was, I've been smoking a lot, and
I've been taking a shit ton of gummies,
when I say, like, 200 milligrams a day.
That's a lot of gummies, Dr.
Ryan.
So, when you take that much cannabis,
we all know you become stupid.
You know, that's just
too much is too much.
And so, I mean, I literally, I
went to go get coffee this morning.
I'm in my car.
I'm at the light.
And for two seconds, I had to stop
and think, where the fuck am I going?
And then I thought, oh yeah,
I'm going to get coffee.
Don't fuck.
Right.
But what you're also saying is it's
an incremental process of becoming
more and more not only clear in your
mind, but clear in your intention.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
What's the conviction
that I hear in your voice?
I have confidence now.
I believe this can work before I
was still, I, how do I say before
I was, I just, I had a trust.
Sure.
It was a hundred percent trust.
There's a huge trust fall.
And this is what?
Four weeks.
This is a minimal of like
three and a half, four weeks.
Yeah, the first ceremony
was on December 3rd.
Yeah, right.
So, in less than three weeks we went from
drinking, what was it, 10 to 12 shots?
More than that.
More than that?
Me being a good boy was drinking a pint.
Okay, that's like a good yeah, and we've
tapered that off We've knocked that with
the help of the medicine and integration
and microdosing and conversations I
knocked it down to like a half pint
and I still was pouring it out But
I don't I don't need a drink today.
That's a loaded question, doctor.
So I'm gonna start with
saying I feel great.
But I, I, I thought I was gonna
wake up a lot more like gung ho.
Just ready to tackle the world,
but I woke up very cautious,
like I didn't wake up scared.
A lot of times we talk and you see
me and I'm, I'm fearful, not fearful.
I don't have any fear, but I'm
cautious every time, the medicine
taught me a lot about being humble.
And I, and I, Finally put my finger on
it after talking to my mom for an hour.
I said, I think mom is like, usually if
I felt this good, manic, cocky, shithead,
Travis would come through and thinking now
he knows everything he's he's cured, you
know, he's never vulnerable and you can
go out and do whatever the fuck he wants.
And that's what Travis would usually do.
It's, and I'm just, I don't want
to do that, but I'm, I have, and I
have no desire to do that, I'm just
aware that that's what I usually do.
It's kind of like if you were,
if you were a guard in a war, and
every single day for a year, the
enemy came over the hill and they
attacked you at some point in the day.
And then one day after a year of
this, someone just said, Oh, they're
not coming over the hill anymore.
You might believe them, but you
still might sit there on your stoop
with your gun going, just gonna,
just make sure I'm being responsible
that that's kind of where I'm at.
But that's super healthy.
I want to acknowledge
that that is healthy.
That is vigilance and what
we're talking about right now.
And I really, especially on the
precipice of such a large experience.
Is you're vulnerable and open and so
oftentimes I'll use the term discernment.
And so to your point about the military is
what you're doing actually is discerning.
You going out to seize the world
would mean fucking I'm going to
go to town without consciousness.
I'm going to just go back
at it without awareness.
And what I'm hearing you is you're
discerning you're being delicate.
And checking in with, okay, should
I be doing this now at this pace?
Should I be going at this rate?
And what I'm saying to you is no, go
slow, grow slow and let this marinate.
You're still in what I would
call the aftercare and basic
integration of this experience.
It's been less than 24 hours.
Thank you for laughing.
We need to hold you with gentleness and
compassion and go, okay, the world is my
oyster Let's go slow and yet let's still
have our shield and sword But we don't
have to go to town fighting the demons
Yeah, and I also I feel not bad depleted.
So I mean, let's put it like
this I had no booze last night.
That was the first time since when?
First time since that was the first
time no booze since the mushroom,
but yeah Ceremony with the healer
you sent me to which was amazing.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And so how'd you sleep?
This interesting.
So I fell asleep well, then I was up
in the middle of the night, couldn't
sleep well, and I fell back to sleep.
Then I looked, I woke up at seven
and there was snow everywhere.
So I had to go shovel a car out of
the snow and get it in the garage.
The plow could come I did.
You're doing it.
I did take one little hit because I'd
only had six hours, five hours and 50
minutes of sleep, and it told me I needed
nine hours and 52 minutes to get back.
And I'm like, well,
that ain't gonna happen.
So I just took one hit, which usually I
would just get blasted in the morning.
I didn't, I only took 50
milligrams of gummies last
night, which was down from 150.
I don't even think I might not
probably just do 25 tonight.
I do not have an asphyxiation
with gummies anymore.
When I was on the medicine,
yes, yesterday, Doctor
when I was with the healer,
he didn't suggest me to do anything.
It was just.
he was just there for, they
were just there for support.
But when I was under and I, and I,
and I was, had the mask on and I was,
the medicine was working with me.
I cut these black demons out of
like my stomach and then my throat,
like, you know, when you get a
craving for a drink, first it
triggers right here, like thirsty.
Like, if you're really thirsty and
you're running and you just want a
damn drink of water, only it's like
that all day with boost that's gone.
And then.
I, a lot of it is attached to hunger.
So when I feel hungry, my brain goes
to a frickin drink or a gummy, and now
it's going like, I want a fucking steak.
Yeah.
So let's be honest with ourselves.
Look at where you came from.
Look at where you are and look
at what you're, how you're
saying it so articulately.
Right.
And, your, people around you
still think it's a magic bullet.
You should just be like,
you should be Moses.
24 hours later.
I looked at my mom and I was like,
I didn't drink.
I didn't do anything crazy.
I smoked two bl two oneys last night.
Two fucking oneys.
That's crazy.
From 250 to 300 milligrams in 10
to 12 shots a day, if not more.
Yeah, and I stopped.
So, so, just go ahead and just take
seven shots of just take a pint
of alcohol, which is seven shots.
Didn't take that, and take 150mg of gum
Well, take 100mg of gummies off the table,
so 7 shots and 100mg of gummies off the
table one night, and I still feel fucking
great, did not have a panic attack, did
not get worried, did not you know, a lot
of times if I don't have if I at least A
lot of times if the alcohol at least isn't
in the house to where I know I have access
to it at some point I might not access
it, but just, I didn't even go to a store,
didn't have any, just, it was just kind
of like, What do you contribute it to?
100 percent the, the medicine.
100%.
And that extraction, right?
That spiritual shamanic extraction
that was presented to you and provided
to you and so that, that's real.
And I need to echo that.
That was your energy, your effort, along
with the healers opportunity to clear.
So you're energetically clearing,
and what you came in with, from
what I remember you saying, was the
intentionality to eradicate the darkness.
Yes.
Yes.
What does it mean to
eradicate the darkness?
That's a loaded question too.
I, I don't have the proper answers
to that, but I do believe, I do
believe, I believe in higher selves.
I believe that, you know, you have
your, your, your earthly higher
self and then you have hundreds of
thousands of higher selves that leads
up to the dimensions up to the heaven.
That's how you have your higher
consciousnesses and through time
and doing dumb shit like drinking
and not taking care of yourself,
just being in bad situations
and just being a human on earth.
There's demons, I believe in
them whether you do or not.
Yeah.
I believe that you can lose
those higher selves and they
go down to the lower grounds.
And when they're in the lower grounds,
they're gonna, they're gonna then ground
you to negative shit, which would be
drinking, harming yourself, all the
shit, I'm self sabotage, all that.
The most vivid thing I saw when I first
went under, put the mask on, I just saw
hundreds of thousands of these black
higher selves of mine coming up from
the earth, And then the black melting
off and then turning bright and just
going up and back up into the sky.
That was the craziest shit.
What is the emotion and what
is the clairvoyance you have
in saying that right now?
Because that's pretty profound that
you were growing and reconnecting
to hundreds of thousands.
Tell me about that lived experience.
Well, so I've worked for a famous psychic.
He's a world famous psychic
and spiritual healer.
He's, he's done it for 30 years.
And so, he, we do live Las Vegas shows
for a couple thousand people, you
know, he's anyways, so he does this.
On the radio live time
he does it for people.
That's what he's famous for getting rid of
demons clearing people's energy I've never
been able to see but I I could always
feel like it always here But I could
never I was never able to get to that
consciousness because my brain is just too
So i've been around seeing people that are
spiritually gifted do all this clearing.
So it was like I took the medicine
and I just knew exactly what to do.
It was like all of a sudden I just
watched this little ninja warrior of
myself that I didn't have to tell him
what to do just running around whooping
things ass cutting shit out of me like
it just it just knew what it was like.
Somehow this was connected to that.
It was just, and the hell of
it is, I want to make this very
clear in honor of this medicine.
It's got a bad rap.
So, I want to let everyone know, I did
not hallucinate, I did not go through
some crazy, crazy drugged out experience.
Experience yesterday.
This was a very soft.
You don't you know, you're not panicked.
You're not you You don't
you don't feel hot.
It's not some crazy drugged out experience
psychedelic crazy shit you see on tv It
was very soft and it was all of a sudden.
It was just like I don't know, this is
really honestly the truth, when people say
all of a sudden they feel the Holy Spirit
come on, and just, they're just, it's
not, it's not strong, it's not that you
get knocked on your ass, it's just this
warm feeling, and shit just dissipates.
I mean it was all of a sudden
it was just, it was just gone.
It was just fucking everything was gone.
And I was just like.
And then you're, then you're
like, you don't believe it.
So then you start looking
around for it in your head.
And you're like, this is so,
I mean, I think that this is a
criminal offense for this to not be
a very prominent practice by
individuals that know how to do this
because it's, it's saved my life.
My man, what do you owe to
yourself in this moment?
Let's turn to you, Travis.
What do you, what do you owe to yourself
right now in this moment, having been
on this journey for the last five weeks?
Well, I learned to trust you and
giving me advice on who to talk to
and also just understanding what I
was going into because without your
advice, this wouldn't have worked.
I don't think it wouldn't have worked.
I know it wouldn't have
worked because I didn't really
understand what was going on.
And for me to be able to come
back to talk to you with, your Ph.
D.
and your, your, your medical
background and tie that together
for me was very important.
I wouldn't have been able to
understand any of it, like, it
just wouldn't have made sense.
It'd be kind of like it'd be kind of like
taking someone and throwing them off a
cliff with a, with a fucking parachute and
saying, learn how to fly, motherfucker.
That would, that's what it would
have been like without you helping
me in these sessions, you know?
I appreciate you recognizing the Sherpa
and just walking and I fucking always I
love your metaphors your metaphors are
making me just like I'm gonna use them.
This is fantastic.
Travis.
What do you owe to your
fucking higher source?
You're talking about this higher
source the thousands the tens of
thousands if not millions of higher
sources of yourself What do you
what are you speaking to right now?
I think this is a process of now
reconnecting to them So now they're up
there But now it's reconnecting, and
re relearning how to use all this stuff
that I lost, and I and and it's kind of
like, it's kind of like being upgraded,
it's like, okay, I was in an old fighter
jet, and now they threw that shit away,
and they put me in one of brand new Elon
Musk's stealth fucking fly through space
fighter jet, and I gotta figure out how
to use it, cause that old shit, I threw
it away, and now I got some new shit, so.
That's what I'm trying to be curious.
You get to be curious.
And so to go back to the beginning
of this conversation, remind
yourself, grow slow, go slow.
You don't have a map, you don't have
a guidebook, but you try things on.
And so this feeling of going hasty
is the number one thing I tell people
is pull back the fucking reins,
pull back the fucking throttle,
because we want to go okay, okay.
And we will also want
to prove it to people.
Right.
And so this is also the
conundrum, the ego, right?
Prove it to us, but also prove it
to our family or our parents or
our mother and go, Oh shit, I need
to showcase that it's working.
And what I ask you to do is.
Incubate it.
Let it grow and develop.
100%.
In this moment.
What do you need in this moment?
Is it normal to feel a little, So I
feel great, but I feel a little like,
Melancholy, just kind of like, My, Maybe
it's cause my nutrients and stuff were
depleted, Or, you know, that's kind
of like I'm, I only had two protein
drinks last, yesterday, Cause I just
didn't, Wasn't feeling the solid food.
No, it's very common.
It's very common.
Well, imagine.
So not only is it a
biochemical thing, right?
So you just got chemically
and, you know, yeah, my nervous
system, but the serotonin.
So because of the experience of the
compound, you were front loaded with a
great deal of serotonin, which allows us
to get into the space for your brain and
your body and the spiritual experience.
Now, You're slowly incrementally taking
that away and coming back to more of a
baseline within your body and your system.
At the same time, you're not drinking
or doing copious amounts of cannabis.
So, your body and your nervous system
is handling everything as it is.
Without the adulteration.
And there's a tail.
Right?
We, you just got done
telling me you saw God.
You connected to tens of thousands of
your higher sources of inspiration.
You cut out many things.
There's a little bit of a
reconciliation of that, right?
Oftentimes, I'll see people, they'll
meet a spiritual deity, or they'll
come in contact to a loved one
that's deceased and passed on, and
they'll come out of it a week later,
or even two weeks later, needing to
integrate that and go, holy shit.
I tasted that.
I saw that, I felt that,
now what do I do with it?
And that's where the integration comes in.
And that's where, okay, you
know, you insulate your body with
vitamins and minerals, you take
supplements, but you also care, you
tend to yourself, that gentleness.
You know what another beautiful thing
about this medicine, doctor, is this,
I'm an addict through and through.
Like, I like to be fucked up.
Becoming less and less.
But one of my fears going into this
was I was going to like, Oh my God,
am I going to fall in love with
this medicine to where I'm going
to want to do it all the time?
I'm going to become one of those people.
I was really worried about that.
And I had no, it was never a thought of
I need more or I need to do it again.
Like it wasn't there.
I even had a friend asked me, what
did you want to do more and more?
I was like, No, I was like, it worked.
It did its job.
And I was released.
I was like, that was the
last thing on my mind.
I was just, I just, all I could
think of was, I felt so perfect.
I don't want to take anything.
Like I wouldn't I barely
even wanted to drink water.
Cause I was afraid cause I felt so good.
I didn't want to put
anything else in my body.
So that was a beautiful thing
was there was no addictive.
There wasn't anything like,
Oh, I need to do this again.
That euphoria bullshit that people
say it was like when it was done.
I was done.
And it was like, mission accomplished.
It was, yeah.
And this is yesterday.
I needed a fucking drink right
today I don't need a fucking drink
right and it can be that radical.
I know I've worked with other people
that have you know Stop and then We need
to talk about something very important
is and I've really been grateful how
you and I work together as you know I'm
not gonna tell you what to do But I'm
also not gonna force you and especially
with alcohol and to people Hearing this
is you can't just cold turkey alcohol
either with people because that could
put them in the state of shock and
for you What are you acknowledging
about your intuition regarding that?
You're the only person that like Dr.
Ryan, you got crazy intuition because
you're the only person that knew exactly,
like, everyone, everyone is always so
quick to tell the addict what the addict
needs instead of just fucking listening.
Listen to what the person
has, is telling you.
Listen to them.
If you just listen to the addict,
the addict will give you clues.
But when you tell them and you try
to, you can't, you can't force energy
on people, like, especially addicts.
You tell an addict not to do something,
they want to do it three times more.
And it's this, if you look at
the psychological, this is true.
You get three times
the amount of dorphins.
An alcoholic or an addict gets
three times the amount of dorphins
sneaking the drink than actual, than
they get from actually taking it.
Right.
And that's just bullshit.
What's your body saying to
you right now in the after?
My body's saying I'm totally good.
You know, what's your
heart saying right now?
I'm good.
Mm hmm.
I love everybody.
I'm not mad at anyone.
No one.
Right.
Not even yourself, right?
No.
A little different perspective
of compassion for self?
100%.
Can you speak to me on that?
What is it like to have this
newfound compassion for self?
I, it's, it's, that's a word I don't know.
It's fucking crazy, amazing.
Heh.
Heh heh heh heh heh.
It's like, it's like asking some of
the, just, it's like asking someone
that just got the gifts of Superman
and can fly, how do you feel?
It's like, fuck, I feel like Superman.
I don't know.
Yeah.
And in due respect, you're
integrating, you're landing, and you're
holding this pretty loosely also.
I mean, as vibrant as our conversation
is right now, you're also Well aware
that humility plays a large aspect.
If you lose, if you lose your
humility, you don't get healed.
Can you speak to that?
Because I think that was one of the
invitations that does strike a lot of
people is how much humility and being, I
often would say, we need to be humbled.
It's not like, Oh, I'm humbled.
No, you get humbled.
I was leveled.
I was more than I didn't get humbled.
I was uprooted leveled and it was like,
okay You have all these blessings.
You're this good looking you can talk you
have the gift of the gab You can persuade
people but you fucking don't follow
through you let people fucking down You
don't live up to what your potential is
You don't live up to the fucking god's
potential that he gave you you don't live
up to all the sacrifices your parents
gave you sacrifice just fucking Bullshit
And today, I can do anything I want.
I'm fucking in the zone
and walking with humility.
Oh, I hear it in your voice.
I am humble as can be you shit, man.
This should alcohol
brought me to my knees.
I had a gun in my fucking hands.
Believe me.
I am as humbled, I don't think I can go, I
don't think I could have gone any further
down the shithole, the rabbit hole.
I'm really proud of you though,
it's a devotion to your work
and a devotion to who you are.
What do you owe this journey, what would
you say you owe yourself right now?
Well Dr.
Ryan, I want to stop you there and say
that you saved my life because you took,
When I wrote you that email, it was 2.
30 in the morning, I was drunk, I was
stoned, and if you didn't, and I was
planning on doing, I already knew what
I was gonna do, I was just gonna go
to the fucking river, and just And
where are you now, in this moment?
Shit.
I'm gonna go down the river and fuckin
make a bonfire and fuckin praise Jesus.
I am happy as a motherfucker.
I'm gonna try to stop using that word.
I am happy as heck.
Swearing sometimes helps for emphasis.
Yes.
What are you doing today and this day
forward to be gentle with yourself?
Well, I was gonna go to the
gummy store, but I don't need to
go to the gummy store anymore.
For those that don't know what
a gummy store is, that's T H
C gummies that get you stoned.
I was gonna go there, no desire
to go there anymore, but I do
have a desire to go see my dad's.
at his grave and give him, tell
him thank you for being with me on
this journey, lighting the candle.
You have a year coming
up on an anniversary, no?
Yeah, my dad's, well, two years.
Two years.
Two years death and 22nd.
Yeah, and how are you sitting
right now as you say that?
I feel great.
What do you feel great about as
it relates to the, just the way
you're grieving your father?
I was over grieving my
dad, you know, I was not.
It took me the last year, but I, I got
through it, but And now you're genuinely
grieving him, and you say you were
When you say you were over grieving,
what does that mean, to over grieve?
I mean, I I don't have guilt anymore I
don't know if you saw, but my last altar,
you know how it was all those pictures,
and then you saw, because you're my son.
So, the last night So the
last night that I ever saw my dad,
we got in a fight physical fight.
He didn't, I didn't hit him, but
he, I was drunk and he was trying
to fucking contain me or whatever.
And
he ended up headbutting
me and it was fucking bad.
You know what I mean?
It was just not good.
And then when everything calmed
down, I, I just, I was crying and I
looked at my dad and I was just like,
I'm like, why have you always
stuck in there with me?
Why have you never gave up on me?
And he just looked at me
and my dad was a very man.
A few words doesn't say I love you.
And I said it at the end, he
just looked at me and he goes.
Because you're my son.
That was it.
That's all he said.
That was all I ever needed to hear.
That was the last thing
he said to me that night.
It was because you're my son.
And then, the next
morning, I gave him a hug.
I told him I love him,
and I drove to California.
Or, North Carolina.
I never saw him again.
How are you sitting right now as you tell
that story, and in honor of your father?
We've come a long way, Dad.
Now let's finish this fucking story.
I love that Travis.
Well, I went to his grave a year ago
and told him I need to meet Ed Milet Sr.
We, I need to change the world.
I have this all on film.
Like I filmed it all.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you.
I just want to put this out here.
Dr.
Ryan, your work saves lives.
And your intuition with me was bar none.
I don't, you knew me
better than I knew me.
That was the crazy thing.
It's like, how do you know?
Like, you knew me better than I knew me.
Like, I didn't know what I needed.
And you just knew you were like, you,
you know, what's on the other side of
fear, doctor love and Love trust trust.
Yeah You taught me that version.
Yeah, so I mistrusted you And then what
was that cool cool saying you said to me
yesterday that I can't remember because
I was stoned something about clarity.
Yeah calm.
Yeah, that's clarity all presents clarity
We're laughing now, let's bring it back.
We're super.
It's quietude invites calm.
Quietude invites calm.
Calm presents clarity.
Calm presents clarity.
Yeah, quietude presents calm.
Quietude presents calm.
Calm provides clarity.
Calm provides clarity.
So beautiful.