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Are your daily habits actually a form of human addiction psychology? Learn why we chase specific goals like fitness and parenting.

We often frame our lives around achievement, but this discussion reframes common pursuits as addictive behaviors. By examining the biological and psychological drivers behind the desire to stay in shape for aesthetic reasons or the satisfaction found in raising a child, we can better understand our own motivations. This conversation breaks down how these fundamental human drives function similarly to addiction, offering a fresh perspective on why we prioritize certain life choices over others.

This analysis is for anyone interested in human behavior analysis and the science of why we do what we do. You will walk away with a clearer understanding of how evolutionary biology influences your personal habits. Instead of viewing your fitness motivation or caregiving instincts as simple choices, you will see the underlying mechanisms that keep you engaged and striving.

We break down how these patterns shape our relationships and self-perception. By identifying these loops, you gain control over the goals you set and the reasons you pursue them. Whether you are curious about the psychology of procreation or the obsession with physical health, this look at human addiction psychology provides actionable context.

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Tags: Sean Murphy, Michael Scalar, Everything's Energy, human addiction psychology, human behavior analysis, fitness motivation, parenting psychology, evolutionary biology, habit loops, technology addiction, digital detox, wellness industry, cellular energy, EMF risks, meditation, connection, soul contracts, EESystem, EE System, Energy Enhancement System


Chapters
00:00 - Addiction, Bitcoin, and bad actors
18:37 - Minerals and bodily information
21:01 - Wave pairing and sound cancellation
26:24 - Cellular energy and EMF risks
29:05 - Wellness industry: safety and concerns
32:02 - Regulatory bodies and research
42:23 - Digital detox and meditation tool
44:49 - Connection vs. technology addiction
48:07 - Technology's double-edged sword
50:00 - Life, death, and soul contracts

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  • (00:00) - - Addiction, Bitcoin, and bad actors
  • (18:37) - - Minerals and bodily information
  • (21:01) - - Wave pairing and sound cancellation
  • (26:24) - - Cellular energy and EMF risks
  • (29:05) - - Wellness industry: safety and concerns
  • (32:02) - - Regulatory bodies and research
  • (42:23) - - Digital detox and meditation tool
  • (44:49) - - Connection vs. technology addiction
  • (48:07) - - Technology's double-edged sword
  • (50:00) - - Life, death, and soul contracts

Creators and Guests

Host
Michael Scalar
Host of the Everything's Energy Show by Energy Enhancement System
Guest
Octavius Real
I’m a palliative parent searching for answers and options in energetic medicine, light and frequency therapies, wellness technology, and quantum (computing, healing, systems). My name is Sean Murphy. Octavius is my pseudonym and online alias... publishing book soon) This channel is dedicated to honest, hands-on reviews and independent investigations energetic wellness devices, treatments, and therapies. I test hardware, run EMF/RF measurements, examine the research claims, and ask the tough questions that families and caregivers deserve answers. From personal stories and miracle moments to detailed comparisons and content to help palliative parents, this channel is where I bring it. And remember... stay curious. Do your own research. And advocate for the people you love.

What is EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)?

EEShow (Everything's Energy Show) connects ancient wisdom with cutting-edge technology. Long-form, unscripted, in-person conversations with industry experts where we explore how energy fields, alternative medicine, and consciousness expansion can unlock human potential through practical applications and real-world insights.

Disclaimer – Please Read:
The Energy Enhancement System™ (EESystem™) and the content provided on EE.Show (audio, transcripts, guest comments) are not medical advice. EESystem is not designed to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any illness or medical condition. The information presented is for educational and wellness purposes only. If you have or suspect any medical condition, please consult a qualified healthcare professional.

Michael Scalar:

We're a long series of addictions in life. You're addicted to getting in shape because you want to look good naked so that you can procreate or just have fun. Everything in your life is that you're addicted to driving a nice car because it goes faster and makes a good sound. Everything kind of gets tuned down to an addiction to a certain point. You're addicted to take care of your son because that brings you happiness knowing that you can alleviate some of his pain or just spend time with him.

Michael Scalar:

Addiction's a funny word. Welcome back to part two of the Sean Murphy interview. It ran on so long. We're we're we're doing two episodes with this one. So part two.

Michael Scalar:

Go.

Octavius Real:

There was two things going on with the congressional testimony. Couple years ago, the entrepreneur sparked me. We we my brother and some business partners, we won a large power contract for Bitcoin mining in Wyoming. Mhmm. So we we developed this project.

Octavius Real:

We end up having these investors, our our domestic investors, dropped at the last minute. So we had to take on investors that said this is what they represented, that they were all from Singapore and Asia.

Michael Scalar:

And this was Bitmain?

Octavius Real:

Well, this wasn't Bitmain.

Michael Scalar:

Oh, This

Octavius Real:

was people that ended up working with Bitmain.

Michael Scalar:

Gotcha. Bitmain sharks.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. And and you can appreciate where I'm going with this, but they misrepresented who they were and what they were up to. Mhmm. Right? Like, the term the easy term to use is they were bad actors in that way.

Octavius Real:

Right? They were not honest about who they were and what their intentions were, and we end up in bed with them, for lack of a better term, as investors. We were contracted to operate and be the Bitcoin operational side, and they were the financial side. Well, they end up right before we start mining. You know, we build this 35 megawatt facility, you know, right there out of Cheyenne.

Octavius Real:

They, you know, they give us a new contract. They're like, new deal, completely minimizing our role, knocking out, you know, $10,000,000 worth of revenue of the lifetime of the project. Project. And we're like, wait. New deal?

Octavius Real:

We're like, no new deal. No new deal. And we sued them. And then they countersued us for a $100,000,000. And at that moment at that moment, you know yeah.

Octavius Real:

I mean and I think you have some understanding of what litigation is like, but it was full on lawsuit.

Michael Scalar:

I'm I'm in one too, and he claims a $100,000,000. And these numbers are just too synergistic.

Octavius Real:

It's too synergistic. It's a very

Michael Scalar:

round number. More more bad actors.

Octavius Real:

But these guys were were incredibly well mobilized. They were not from Singapore. They were all Chinese nationals. And as we ended up learning more about them, you know, they were they had very strong connections to the CCP Okay. To the to the government in China.

Octavius Real:

And then Bitmain was involved because when they when we were gone, then they brought in Bitmain as their client to fill the whole mine with Bitmain's Bitmain owned miners. Right. So and and this I saw coming before the before they did the old contract across the table in the weeks before that, you know, 17 semi trucks with brand new ant miners showed up on a dime. Right? You know?

Octavius Real:

Like, this whole group doesn't they act like they don't really know what they're doing.

Michael Scalar:

Power right now.

Octavius Real:

It was China power. Like, you know, this is Cheyenne, Wyoming. Right? Yeah. You know?

Octavius Real:

It's not like a booming urban industrial zone, but all these Bitmain miners showed up, and you we realized, woah. Woah. That was when I was like, okay. We're gonna document everything now. And we ended up adding them to the lawsuit because we saw that how their contract was working, and they were you know, there was a lot going on.

Octavius Real:

But what ended up happening is there was 16 lawyers across six law firms. Like, it was full on. They they threw everything at us. They first tried what was called jurisdiction to remove us from federal court, and the whole ploy ended up being around getting away with the money because in the middle of the litigation, there ends up being a presidential divestment. Well, they they were right next to the nuclear base.

Octavius Real:

So we worked information kind

Michael Scalar:

CCP set up something next to a nuclear base? Right. Oh, that's clever.

Octavius Real:

Right. Right. So our our government, a group called CFIUS with the treasury department, they did an investigation, and they end up saying, hey. You know, this this is a divestment. So the president divested them.

Octavius Real:

They get booted from the site, and they ended up selling the the site to CleanSpark. CleanSpark's a US one of the large US based Bitcoin miners. Okay. And CleanSpark pays them for the site, so there's all of this money suddenly. Suddenly.

Octavius Real:

And we realized, hey. They're gonna they're gonna gather it. They're gonna get away with the money. And if it goes to China, it's over. It's gone.

Octavius Real:

Lawsuit's done. So we ended up doing this pretty landmark. It wasn't pretty landmark. It was a landmark maneuver called prejudgment writs of attachment attachment and garnishment where the sales money ended up being held with the federal court in Wyoming. And then that allowed us once the kinda say that it kinda the court put it up here in the penalty box.

Octavius Real:

You know?

Michael Scalar:

Wanna do like a

Octavius Real:

Open cage.

Michael Scalar:

China or take that CCP.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. It was like, well, maybe not as much take that. It was like, we're gonna take the money and put it up here in the cage Yeah. And then see how this plays out. And that allowed at least enough leverage to work resolving all claims.

Octavius Real:

So we ended up splitting that. Not exactly equal, but that was what ended all of that. But they were gonna get away with the money. Like, their whole intention was how do we crush these guys in litigation, throw every legal issue at them, and, you know, lawfare is

Michael Scalar:

the term. Lawfare.

Octavius Real:

Lawfare. And

Michael Scalar:

Try break the little guy with a overwhelming force of attorney.

Octavius Real:

Right. And we had to resist that. And through some very good work while my dad was our attorney, my my brother did a ton of work. I did a ton of work on this, and it ended up being as good of an outcome as we could have hoped for.

Michael Scalar:

That's good.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. So it was good, but

Michael Scalar:

it it So does this tie in to how you you presented at congress?

Octavius Real:

This ties in because that that was one of the main topics was talking about that issue.

Michael Scalar:

Oh, the intellectual property theft and stuff like that?

Octavius Real:

Yeah. And and the CCP's involvement. But a lot of them, I think they wanna know, like, how did we do this? How did we stand up to the CCP? How did we Mhmm.

Octavius Real:

Deal with this kind of onslaught legally more or less from them? And that was where, you know, in the testimony I talk about is I'm a palliative father. Like, I I've seen worse things. Like, it was terrible. The the litigation was brutal against the Chinese.

Michael Scalar:

It's just time, energy, and money really versus you're watching your kid literally going through fits that

Octavius Real:

are Right.

Michael Scalar:

Hard to pallet.

Octavius Real:

Exactly. And and I wanted congress to understand this because there's been a lot of hospice fraud going on in California. California, and I

Michael Scalar:

and watching that as wild.

Octavius Real:

We're watching that go down, fraud go down real time. But I see energetic medicine as this is the frontier. So a lot of those things, when people see this new industry, they rush in. And that was something I wanted to talk about where the IP, the the development that's happening in energetic medicine, the companies, you know you know, like with EE system. Mhmm.

Octavius Real:

Like like, you know this. The IP is valuable, and that brings in bad actors. People wanna prey on that. It's a predatory mindset, and it's not uncommon that when you see these things happen, especially in health care, that the predators show up. The bad actors show up.

Michael Scalar:

And I've I've seen a whole lot of that the the this last couple of years here.

Octavius Real:

Like, you see it. Trying to come

Michael Scalar:

in and literally just dismantle us and take everything. You're living it. Yeah. Yeah. You're living it.

Michael Scalar:

And We're winning, but it's it sucks.

Octavius Real:

Oh, it's it's brutal to to see something. And, like, your mom, I've known her for years. Yeah. So, like, in your situation, when somebody comes in and starts peddling something as if it's theirs, and I know the history. I knew when your mom was selling these in 2011.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. And Danny has known her since before there was a technology back into the

Octavius Real:

Into the nineties.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Almost eighties, I think, even.

Octavius Real:

In the eighties.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. They've they've been they've been at this a while.

Octavius Real:

They've been at it a while. And so when when somebody new comes in and we'll we'll just call it a bad actor in a in a situation like this. And and I know enough about your case to say one comment about it. And, like, I'm following this guy's telegram. Right?

Octavius Real:

Who's calling this guy the bad actor in your situation?

Michael Scalar:

Call him Voldemort,

Octavius Real:

bad actor. He he's no Voldemort. Yeah. So Alright. Go ahead.

Octavius Real:

You gotta be a wizard to be Voldemort. Oh. Yeah. Dang. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

But right? Right? You gotta be a wizard. You know, we need a little more wizardry here. But I'm following his telegram to just kinda see what he's up to.

Octavius Real:

And he's posting he has a little dog named Halo. And, you know, he'll say that this his his system that is ripped off from your system.

Michael Scalar:

I forgot the Timu version.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. I mean, it's it's literally like your system, but with a Chinese it looks like it's it's it's from China. Right?

Michael Scalar:

Like There it's lit I bought one of his things from the supplier in on Alibaba.

Octavius Real:

On Alibaba?

Michael Scalar:

Try to say, oh, no. It's a different one, but they sent me video from his living room. Oh, we got this guy in Miami who's purchased 50 of these. He's like, oh, it's not. I'm like, I I have the evidence.

Michael Scalar:

The invoice literally shows a picture. There's a like, from China. The sample cost me 2,500 or something after shipping. I think it's on the right. It's available on Alibaba for $1,200.

Michael Scalar:

And that was They're char he's charging 13.

Octavius Real:

And that and that was part of the congressional issue was a lot of the the Chinese game is stealing IP. Yeah. So they'll come in. They'll have, like, the work relationships with professors. IP transfer was a big issue.

Octavius Real:

So to hear that the Chinese Alibaba element is a part of what you have going on, like, it it just checks checks right down the road. Okay. So I'm looking at this telegram, and he's posting about the dog named Halo. And it's like, you know, oh, halo this and halo that, and it's like this big emotional thing for his dog. And I don't know the word yet.

Octavius Real:

I haven't come up with the right word to to try to explain the feeling that it creates in in me as a parent that has, a sick child. But, like, it's not offensive. It's something like that. But it's like, what are you doing, man? Like, what are you you're repping your little dog to people?

Octavius Real:

Like, have a I have a dying child. Like, who what are you who are you?

Michael Scalar:

Why is your dog always sick?

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Why is your dog

Michael Scalar:

That's because it's sitting next to the wrong

Octavius Real:

technology. So, you know, people that do that kind of stuff, I think a lot I think people who understand that when there's predatory behavior or fraud or rip off artists or scammers, you know, like, this is that kind of behavior. Right? They have to back it with something. But when you're a palliative parent, you see stuff like that.

Octavius Real:

And I'm not gonna say it's a joke because god bless that little dog. I hope the little dog's fine.

Michael Scalar:

And We're

Octavius Real:

definitely rooting for the dog.

Michael Scalar:

Maybe not the bad actor.

Octavius Real:

We're yeah. We're not yeah. We're rooting for the dog. You know? I want I don't want any pet issues here or whatever.

Octavius Real:

No. Don't want any I'm hoping for the dog. But Yeah. When you see that and you have a child like Atlas, you know, other parents know this. Like, it's not a joking matter, but it's a joke.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Yeah. So once I saw that, I was like, okay. You know, now now I see the game, see what you're up to. And I I asked a few comments on his telegram.

Octavius Real:

I was like, okay. So you're running this this thousand year old organization? Because I watched some of his videos, and he's running a thousand year organization.

Michael Scalar:

Four he told me 4,000 year old with 8,000 members.

Octavius Real:

Let's give him

Michael Scalar:

He's the only person that anyone has ever heard of this from.

Octavius Real:

Let's say it's 900 years old like the order of Malta, something that I'm in. Okay? Let's give him that credit, and let's just say it's 900 years old. But I asked him. I was like, so you're running this very old organization, and you're the official spokes person.

Octavius Real:

You know? What's going on with that? I mean, I'm blocked from comments immediately. So I'm being I'm sorry.

Michael Scalar:

Everyone on our side has been blocked because they'll go out and ask a question or make a statement, and it's just straight blocked.

Octavius Real:

It's just blocked. So that I mean, that's all

Michael Scalar:

I'm amazing he has a telegram still because it's block.

Octavius Real:

It's a lot of blocks, and, you know, it's I think it's just the term I think is just you get bad actors. And at the same time, well, I'm it sucks, right, what you're going through and the difficulty of it and the litigation and the cost. But at the same time, there is a validating element that people rush into these kind of things when there's legitimacy. You know, that's where the world or an industry is going and there's opportunity. Like, you don't see scammers necessarily in dying, forgetting terrible, stupid industries.

Michael Scalar:

Right? I mean, you know, scammers don't go scam other people's IP unless

Octavius Real:

There's value there.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Yeah. It's gotta have some value, and that's the kind of the joke too. You know, in in the wellness industry, it's it's in our some of the multiple people told me this. You're in an industry that's 95% snake oil, and you guys are one of the few OGs who actually did the work, validated it.

Michael Scalar:

We've got the research. We've got, you know, a long history. Because I see people come and go all the time in this industry, and they'll they'll copy our research. There's many people who've done this, copied our research, cop copied our sales pitch, and sell a Scalar XYZ. And they have no research, obviously, because they're they're copy pasting my website, my material.

Michael Scalar:

I had someone at a conference come up trying to sell me a Scalar laser pen. And it was a laser pen that said Scalar on it. Yeah. So it was a Scalar laser pen, and then handed me my own research material. You're like, oh.

Michael Scalar:

So you gotta get into the Scalar pen, and they hand me my I'm just looking. I'm like I didn't even know what to say. I was like

Octavius Real:

You told me it was good research.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. She's like, do say? It's like, thank you for handing me my own research. But it's this industry has it. People come and go.

Octavius Real:

How many how many companies would you say? Because you you ecosystem's been around. Like, how many are stalwarts or kind of long standing

Michael Scalar:

It's a it's a mix because you'll see people come and go in a matter of a year or two in these conferences. You look them up, they're gone. Or they'll have legal issues or financial issues and shut down. It's it's so common. There there's a handful of brands out there that have been around, and even they have controversy.

Michael Scalar:

And there's big brands right now. I I'm not gonna name them and try and get them in trouble, but you go look at the research, it's completely fabric ated. It doesn't if if you read it, like, it's like, oh, this looks like impressive research. But if you go through it, it's not about the technology. It's not about the methodology or or anything that they're saying there.

Michael Scalar:

It's just meant a baffle with bullshit white paper. And you're just like I've had people arguing, oh, no. They're huge. They have all these papers. I'm like, I want you to go thoroughly read exactly what they're saying there.

Michael Scalar:

It's Bubkis. And then they come back to me like, oh my god. And I found videos on YouTube explaining that they're frauds. I'm like, yeah. I told you.

Michael Scalar:

All I had to do is one look at their white papers. It's like, this is Fugazi. So And they're making millions selling Fugazi. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

It's such a

Michael Scalar:

It's like, come on, people. Read the white papers. Read the research. Make sure people are vetted. There's a whole you know, ask chat GPT or every AI.

Michael Scalar:

Like, normally, it'll be able to find the references for you. You don't even have to do the research anymore these days.

Octavius Real:

Mhmm. What what do you think there's a a need for more research, or do you think with, like, EE system that the the the research you've done the research at Checkpoint?

Michael Scalar:

Because we had someone at a major hospital. They run a major hospital. You guys don't need any more research. You just need to get more people on these things. And then, you know, the general society is always like, well, do you have your double blind peer reviewed blah blah blah?

Michael Scalar:

We have a peer reviewed. We're actually I talked to the guy who's doing it. We're in process of a peer reviewed with a placebo control group study, and that's I'm hoping that'll be done in three to five months. You know? It always takes longer than you want it to, but so we're we're gonna tick that box for those who are, well, do you have that?

Michael Scalar:

But at the end of the day, you know a light bulb works because it's providing light. The technology works because people are having results. I can I can shove all the data you want down your throat all day and say, hey? It works. But if it doesn't work, then it doesn't work.

Michael Scalar:

And if it works, it works. And we're we've been here for decades doing exactly what we're doing now. And we're here still because it works. And people are trying to steal it because it works.

Octavius Real:

Right. So the palliative father in me hears you saying all that. Like, it works. It works. I always think of that as the efficacy.

Octavius Real:

Right?

Michael Scalar:

Or By

Octavius Real:

the futility. Right. Yeah. So, you know, there's safety and the efficacy. So the other piece, like, Tell me, how do you guys think about safety or, like, when you look at your track record and the time?

Octavius Real:

Because that's, like, the big thing as as a you know, in any health care model. Like, that's the first thing. First, do no harm. Right? The Hippocratic Oath, do no harm.

Octavius Real:

So how has have you guys done, like, is there safety testing or you're, like, just the time period? You know, are people that are ripping you off?

Michael Scalar:

Is there a safety there was a safety safety study done, the doctor who did it wanted to publish it. And I think he he kinda wants the credibility, and we're working on getting that done. But it's, you know, EE System as a company was created in 2003. The worst thing that people have seen coming to the system is a Herxheimer's or a detox reaction.

Octavius Real:

Mhmm.

Michael Scalar:

That typically and this is why we recommend hydration and salt pass. Yeah. Because if your body has more energy, it starts dumping stuff out into the bloodstream. And if it doesn't get out, it You feel

Octavius Real:

worse. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

You you feel you have a headache. You feel laggish. Yeah. But that's that's that's the worst thing people report. A detox.

Michael Scalar:

Detox. Detox symptoms. So we that's our biggest thing. We tell everyone, like, hydrate. Electro Danny Brinckley, body's electric.

Michael Scalar:

Get your electrolytes in there. Your trace minerals.

Octavius Real:

Do your trace minerals. If there's one thing we want people to remember, do take your trace minerals. But that's the foundation of the electrical state. Right? Yeah.

Octavius Real:

You wanna have the fuel for all of those electrical reactions or all of the

Michael Scalar:

Well, I I like to think about it this way. So your your your body has water in it. Right? And so water is conductive to a certain degree. What's more conductive?

Michael Scalar:

Minerals. This is what power semiconductors and AI and Bitcoin Exactly. Is minerals. And if you have the minerals in your body, it's like the so the water is now the freeway, and the minerals are the cars on the freeway carrying the information. They're helping the the the electricity jump faster faster.

Michael Scalar:

Mhmm. It's no longer just the water traveling in the stream. It's got these hyperconductive points that then cause the surge of energy to go faster, more effectively.

Octavius Real:

Right. But people forget, and they think just electrolytes, magnesium, potassium, sodium, you get your base ones. Right? That's as an electrical being, you need your base. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

But why Damian always goes with trace minerals, and he doesn't you know how Damian is. He doesn't always give the full story.

Michael Scalar:

Let's go.

Octavius Real:

But a little bit more of the full story is with your, you know, synaptic connections in your brain. Your brain is complex.

Michael Scalar:

Like, there are so many We are supercomputers.

Octavius Real:

Just like a supercomputer. Yeah. And all those other little trace minerals, those are helping go to those, call them long tail, neurosynaptic reactions. Right? So, like, the trace minerals is kinda like a blanket approach to be like, this is it it reminds me in the matrix, you know, when they, like, come in and neo, and they're like, you know, everything the body needs.

Octavius Real:

Right? Yeah. You know that scene? I don't know if people know that scene, but, like, he's just been he ends up back on the ship, and he's, like, recovering. You know, he's in the real world.

Octavius Real:

Oh, that's based mineral. It's

Michael Scalar:

just like a goo.

Octavius Real:

Exactly. Like, everything the body needs, but it's a little bit like that with trace minerals. Like, this is giving you the electrical base to create all of those reactions in your body. Obviously, you're gonna need water, and you're gonna need some food over time, but not right away. You don't have to have food.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. But if you're putting water into that system and trace minerals, you're gonna have the base reaction to move. Pair that with EE system or something that's optimizing your electrical coherence. I mean, now you're increasing cellular voltage Yeah. Millivoltage.

Octavius Real:

And I think that's what I want people to hopefully take away from this. And they've probably heard it from EE System and probably heard it from people like Daniel. But, you know, as electrical beings, like, that's what we're doing. We wanna increase that cellular millivoltage. And you see the drugs, like all the stuff that Atlas is getting.

Octavius Real:

I'm like, that's not

Michael Scalar:

It's not increasing at all.

Octavius Real:

It's not increasing its cells. That's a compound meant to change a reaction at this level. But there's cascading reactions to that. That's why we see so many veterans that, they go in for this issue, and they get this drug. Well, then that has a side effect.

Octavius Real:

Or as my brother, the chiropractor, says, it's really just an effect. We call it a side effect, but it's just really an effect. And it has an effect, and then they get another drug for it. And then they end up on a psych med, and then they have another thing. And now they're like, a bag full of drugs.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah.

Octavius Real:

And I'm like, is this what what are we doing? You can't drug people to health like that. So I hope that people really think about that. But as a palliative parent, like, it still gets back to safety and efficacy. And it it sounds like though and I wanna ask you about this.

Octavius Real:

I know I'm being interviewed, but I wanna ask you about this. Shoot. And it always interests me where the safety piece, like, with the EE system, people can do it wrong. Right? Like, EMF radiation.

Octavius Real:

Like, these are things that people have to worry about. Like, the EE system, like, you guys have designed it. It's built with the idea to to reduce radiation and So it's

Michael Scalar:

phase conjugate wave pairing. So we're creating a cancellation effect. We're using what would look like EMF generators. Yeah. The way they're precisely aligned creates a phase conjugate wave pairing.

Michael Scalar:

Or for layman's, it's easier to call it cancellation effect, they use that in audio where speakers will face each other in a certain dimension, so that the sound actually hits like a wall and cancels and no longer becomes. They primarily use that with low frequencies, so that the neighbors won't be bothered as much.

Octavius Real:

And you know as like a DJ, you know that kind of stuff.

Michael Scalar:

Right? I was a sound engineer, I speaker I learned a I under my understanding of quantum physics became extremely more complex and visually understandable when I started learning music. Because it's all frequency, it's all energy, it's all vibration. And when you're doing all this, you learn a lot of little things. Magnetism you have speakers or magnets, and so you have electromagnetism similar with phase conjugate wave pairing.

Michael Scalar:

And so I was plugging in speakers. I got super into soup like, high end hi fi loud PA. Yeah. Turbo sound function one. And I just wanted to know everything because I just love the way music makes me feel.

Michael Scalar:

It's Yeah. The most beautiful thing in the world when you have a finely tuned large PA. Yeah. And I love DJing DJing. I love producing music.

Michael Scalar:

It was just always a passion. And then, you know, in engineering, actually producing music, you start to get more of a visual looking at the spectrums of different sound, and how they visually lay out. And so, when you actually can they call it synesthesia, where you can see audio. And so that gave me more of an understanding of quantum physics, because quantum physics and physics, it's all like numbers and no one's applying it. They're learning about the theory of it.

Michael Scalar:

But when you can visually picture it, it's like a three d printer in the mind kind of thing, and you start to understand where energy is moving and how it's moving because of the the frequency ranges, and how they can collide, they can transform, they can morph, they they typically aren't destroyed, they just get reshaped. And so cancellation would be the reshaping.

Octavius Real:

Right. So that's like with the cube that I bought Mhmm. That's at play. Right? That Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Because you

Michael Scalar:

have four four Yeah. The four units that's precisely aligned. Yeah. Base conjugate wave pairing. So you're not getting the collision of light like you would with a normal big EE system, but you're getting so we call it photonic fountain.

Michael Scalar:

So the light therapy is going outward, and that's what we really do recommend people get in the bigger systems because the collision of photons is another effect in it. Mhmm. And anytime you have something canceling, it transforms or it morphs because energy it can't it doesn't destroy. It can change. So it's it's fascinating that way.

Michael Scalar:

But the cubes are with profound feedback from those. At first, it was kind of like an art project. We're like, well, sell a couple and see if, you know, what people think. And then it evolved. We've now launched more improved hardware, so I think the cubes are twice as strong as they used to be.

Michael Scalar:

Hopefully, you have one of the newer ones. We can double check. But there's been evolutions in all of our technology. We have more coming, and yeah. Does so kind of

Octavius Real:

take that the other way. If if somebody's knocking it off or, like, trying to create a competitive one, like, can it go the I'm saying can it

Michael Scalar:

go Well, I'd other say theoretically there was a guy that was selling LED panels with no phase conjugate weight pairing and possibly a five g gigahertz antenna inside of it and maybe a computer. Yeah. There's no phase content

Octavius Real:

That's IP. That's IP.

Michael Scalar:

There's no collision of photons. You're lacking coherence in LED wall because they're they're like the a high pixelation rate because of the way LED wall works. Would you get benefit? I don't know. I mean, someone perch an influencer purchased one of one of these LED walls, we'll call them, and asked me, did I get ripped off only?

Michael Scalar:

Do you know any effect?

Octavius Real:

He goes,

Michael Scalar:

no. I don't I haven't noticed anything. I'm like, let me lend you a cube. And he he was flabbergasted at the difference. He sent me this long test of, oh my god.

Michael Scalar:

Like, I feel like my pineal gland is opening up. I'm having all these vivid, like, occurrences, like, epiphanies, and I was like, cool. Cool. Cool. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

Much better than the Tebu boy. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

I mean, we told I told you my story with Atlas, like, in terms of let's just talk observational proof, like, for me. Another thing that I've noticed is just with sleep. Yeah. So we hear you gotta get your eight hours or try to get seven and a half. I'd say since I had the cube running, it it took a couple of weeks.

Octavius Real:

But a couple of weeks in, I was like, on six hours? I'm waking up and I'm like, man, I don't I wanna go back to sleep. I'm ready to go. Yeah. And and it's subtle at first.

Octavius Real:

And and sometimes the brain, like, doesn't really understand, like, wait, what's going or what's responsible for this? Because I I I mean, I have the cube running, but I wasn't

Michael Scalar:

Life's very noisy.

Octavius Real:

It's Yeah. I wasn't, like, observing, like, what's going on in life. And then but, like, okay. That was back in December when I got the cube. Now here we are in April, and it's, like, it's maintained itself.

Octavius Real:

So, you know, I'm out here. I'm traveling. I'm in Las Vegas here in your studio. Yeah. And, you know, I'm still waking up, like, six hours of sleep.

Octavius Real:

And someone someone would be like, well, you're not getting enough sleep. But I'm like, but if you wake up refreshed, energized, you have energy, you look good, feel good, I mean, that's what the body is giving for feedback.

Michael Scalar:

So Absolutely.

Octavius Real:

That's what I've noticed. I think I attribute it to is more cellular energy.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. No. I mean, that at the end of the day, that's an easy way of picturing our bodies that have little batteries, and we need those charged up so that they function correctly.

Octavius Real:

And if not just input charge, but but input and output activity creating a balanced

Michael Scalar:

It's like a download upload download speed kind of reference there.

Octavius Real:

Right. Or the another another term that I I think about, and I don't know if you guys use this when you explain it, but, like, with Atlas and the brain and neuroprotectants is homeostasis. Mhmm. Right? Like, we're looking for balanced pH, you know, balanced homeostatic response, like, And and we saw this see this over the years in hospice and palliative care.

Octavius Real:

Like, if people are balanced and calm, you know, it's difficult for it's difficult for there to be yeah. It's difficult for inflammation to happen. It's difficult for a disease. So that balanced state is so ideal. But it it sounds like with these other products, like, there could be safety risks.

Octavius Real:

Right? Like, if you're if you don't take it that into consideration, is it radiation or EMS?

Michael Scalar:

It's it's very I wanna be legally sound about saying something, but it is it's extremely possible that there could be issues. I haven't seen any safety studies. It has the the these LED walls or panels panels aren't known for generating healthy effects. There there could be EMFs, there could be ELFs, there could be radio frequencies like five g or 2.4 gigahertz. Most of these are not healthy.

Michael Scalar:

So in theory, it's very possible that they are actually creating the opposite effect of what the user would intend.

Octavius Real:

LED walls aside, do you how do you think of that? Is like negative frequency?

Michael Scalar:

I'll tell you this being in the sound and lighting DJ community. I don't go stand next to all the high power equipment. Don't, you know, stand next to an LED wall or amp rack and you know why? Because there's a whole lot of energy going on there that's not positive energy, that's just raw energy that's not designed to create wellness. I'm gonna go stand in in the middle of the cancellation dance stack.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Right. More of a neutral or balanced

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Environment. That beneficial. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. There's a lot to be said for that. So I mean, I think you've kind of seen now the palliative parent perspective where it's like, well, we start with safety. Most people wanna start with efficacy, but when you start with safety, that that removes anything that's not safe or questionable. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Right? And that was why something with EE system, I knew the track record. You know, I've known your mom for fifteen years. You know, I looked at all of the others, you know, the centers and all of these places where there were these these, you know, huge systems and the feedback and the testimonial and people like more energy and these other healings. More energy is

Michael Scalar:

not always a a great metric too. It's quality of life.

Octavius Real:

Like it gets to quality of life. Yeah. It's easier to have because if have low energy

Michael Scalar:

Danny experienced more energy getting struck by lightning. That what that's a little too much energy.

Octavius Real:

Max energy. Max electrons. Yeah. Okay. Again, balance.

Octavius Real:

Right?

Michael Scalar:

Like, or

Octavius Real:

an increase to the point of a balanced operating state, but that's just that's something I think a lot of people might not be thinking about, particularly in the energetic wellness industry is like, hey. There you can also be doing damage. Like, nobody wants to go live next to one of these new towers that are

Michael Scalar:

Well, instance, they had Scalar pendants back in the day, and they started testing them for radiation, because people were getting tumors where the pendant was sitting, and they were sold as wellness devices. Although radiation going back pre the fifties, they were selling radiated water jugs and things like that, and they thought it was that wellness thing. The wellness industry in a whole has always been kinda snake oily, and it really comes down to is it safe, or am I just being marketed to? Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Do you how does that look in the industry right now?

Michael Scalar:

I mean, I don't wanna point fingers.

Octavius Real:

No. No. I just don't know finger. Just generally. But you're saying there's a good amount of snake oil stuff out there?

Michael Scalar:

Everyone keeps telling me I've heard three different people, they said 95% snake oil in the wellness industry. It might be closer to 90, and maybe there's but I where are your studies? Where is your efficacy? Where are your testimonials? There's a lot of people paying for testimonials out there.

Michael Scalar:

A lot of sketchiness, a lot of hype marketing, like people putting their dog on their telegram, maybe. Yeah. You know, it's it's buy my stuff, it's amazing, it's a magic pill, you you hear all these things, and it seems like the regulatory bodies of America, they they used to be very hypervigilant, and they've kind of lessened unless you, you know, you literally get on on TV and start yelling, you cure cancer. Yeah. And probably still even it's like halfway.

Michael Scalar:

I mean, I've heard I've seen so many people make bold claims from cancer to HIV to herpes, and, you know, and there's they're saying that they're gonna have they're almost guaranteeing positive benefits. Yeah. And I I look at these people and I'm like, you're doing our whole industry a disservice by acting like this. Yeah. Show some data.

Michael Scalar:

All we want is some data. Show me some data that you actually did that, not a story.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. And I'm familiar with that back in the cannabinoid CBD era days. I mean, were some companies that came out with some righteous label violations making claims. Yeah. And when those FDA letters went out, you know They they shotgun them too.

Octavius Real:

They they shotgun them? Yeah. But it with that industry, it cleaned things up, certainly initially, but there was also the Epidiolex, the drug that was coming out. So there was a

Michael Scalar:

Oh, so pharmaceutical industry was like, well, we need to clean this up because we've got our our Yeah. Yeah. But our FDA stamp on this one.

Octavius Real:

So but it brought some legitimacy too because it's like, Big pharma is moving on this. And I think that that's a it's a I'm still very passionate. I care about the cannabis industry and, you know, with with being changed from schedule one to schedule three, which looks like is gonna happen with this administration, that's gonna bring on research dollars. Right? Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Now institutions can research and put a lot more into it.

Michael Scalar:

Oh, that's right. So we we RFK recently brought in I Ibogaine and psilocybin as

Octavius Real:

This is fresh. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

What we're talking happened.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. A couple of days ago, I I think it was an executive order putting $50,000,000 to research, or I I I need to go back and look at this, but I think it's a research or a program for Ibogaine, psilocybin, and MDMA. And

Michael Scalar:

It's a party.

Octavius Real:

It's a it's a heck of a party, and there's research to support them, but I I think people need to, like, like, temper the optimism because, like, Ibogaine also has research showing that it creates heart issues. So it's like, hey. That's the palliative parent, though, again, where it's like

Michael Scalar:

I've never done Ibogaine. I don't have a whole lot of reference there, but I've definitely experienced psilocybin and MDMA being in the music community. And I've had some vivid, spiritual profound moments on them. Some people take drugs to escape other people's if if they have a I've done it shamanically too. So it's it's very interesting when people sit down and and do a therapeutic session with psychedelics.

Michael Scalar:

There is a lot of benefit. PTSD, I think, is a huge huge thing they're probably looking into, and you just let shit go. Yeah. Yeah. You remove your ego from yourself.

Michael Scalar:

You're you're viewing yourself almost as like an NDE, and you're looking down at yourself going, is this right? And then you start picking and pulling on the strings in your life, and then they you come back to reality, and you go, holy shit. New perspective.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm a I'm a supporter of psilocybin for sure. I don't know as much about MDMA, but with psilocybin, there there's been some great studies initially, and usually it's with one of the major protocols, but for end of life care, reducing people's fear of death. And, like, that's been one of my big passions and callings as well is, like, helping reduce that fear.

Octavius Real:

It's something I get into in the book because when people when you're not afraid all the time of death, like, you start to think a lot more clearly, and you're not manipulated by people Yeah. That use that fear to manipulate you into buying this drug or or this product or whatever they're pitching. But I I I would just temper. Like, it's it's exciting. Okay.

Octavius Real:

$50,000,000. But I look at that, and it's the same model, though. It's like we're still it's the next drug.

Michael Scalar:

Right. And DMA by Pfizer.

Octavius Real:

Right. By Pfizer. Right.

Michael Scalar:

That's Psilocybin by Moderna. Right.

Octavius Real:

But that's where it'll go. Right. But that's and that's where it will go. But when I compare that to energetic medicine, this is this is new frontier. Right?

Octavius Real:

This isn't another drug. It's looking at our electrical reality, like we talked about between cells.

Michael Scalar:

It's simply healthy. It can help. Versus there I'll tell you that the hangover from MDMA is terrible. So it is not healthy.

Octavius Real:

No. It's not no. It's a methamphetamine. Yeah. Right?

Octavius Real:

Like, you're taking a derivative of methamphetamine

Michael Scalar:

and Yep. It's amphetamine

Octavius Real:

You might not sleep. You know? Or you'll have terrible you try to get asleep, like, part of the brain that falls asleep is, like, wired.

Michael Scalar:

It's it's not a healthy healthy drug.

Octavius Real:

Right. So, like, I compare that as a palliative parent. Right? Like, okay. Wait.

Octavius Real:

We're talking about psilocybin, you know, for a kid? No way. But it it usually just gets me back. Like, the palliative model is with energetics, stuff with efficacy, EE system, and a history track work record, people that have had these observable results. It's just such a it's such a smaller bar.

Octavius Real:

And I'm looking at this like, well, why why isn't money going to this? But it usually gets back to IP. And that's my concern with all of it is, like, the IP ownership, who controls the IP, who doesn't, who's trying to use snake oil. There's that. And then there's also, you know, the predatory behavior.

Octavius Real:

But I think it's still I think it's early in the game as we wake up to, you know, our true reality, these electrical beings.

Michael Scalar:

No. I think energy medicine is a huge doors are opening wider for it in the future. People are becoming more open to it, especially the biohacking community. They're kicking the doors down rapidly for non pharmaceutical things. I I think there's a bright future, and, obviously, I think there's a lot of people out there that are gonna try and copy.

Michael Scalar:

They are gonna try and steal. They are gonna compete because it is the future.

Octavius Real:

But people yeah. People don't compete and steal things that aren't that are worthless. Nope. Or they don't have value.

Michael Scalar:

So I value I I I will openly accept good competitors that have integrity. I will shoot down those who just want to make a quick buck. It's we don't have we don't have time. Life life is too short. People's quality of life is more important than someone making a few bucks so that they can have their fifteen minutes of fame and their $100,000,000.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Have you noticed that over the the decades with EE system? Have people customers, clients, center owners, have they become more educated, or is there more general public knowledge about about what's going on for at an electrical level or not so much?

Michael Scalar:

Most most people can't explain how a car engine works. They don't know there's a series of small explosions occurring to make that cargo. They don't understand a a light bulb. Energy wellness, the understanding on a scientific level is so rudimentary. Most people really do have trouble grasping it.

Michael Scalar:

And it's a very large capacity of knowledge to understand. And most people are so ADD these days, if they can't it in two minutes, they run away from it. So

Octavius Real:

Do you think someone's

Michael Scalar:

conditioning, though? Because I think societally, though.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. We grew up in a chemical model, though. We grew up in a drug.

Michael Scalar:

I don't think it's that. Yeah. I think it's it's just the ADD society. You have everyone who's used to thirty second TikToks and quick ads and quick bits of information. I see it in society.

Michael Scalar:

People people are literally getting dumber by the minute with AI and social media. Yeah. They're they want everything instantly, and they wanna get on to the next topic. You know? And this is part part of the problem in the dating scene is I call it the iPhone era.

Michael Scalar:

We're all looking for the new model that comes out next month. Society is not on a good trajectory. I think energy, wellness can help with that because we increase electrical activity in the brain, reduce ADHD, which we actually have a study that, you know, Adderall speaking of amphetamines, it has a seventy two percent efficacy. Our technology apparently, according to a study, has a roughly seventy two, seventy three percent, above seventy efficacy. So same as amphetamine chain without the negative.

Michael Scalar:

Mhmm. You'll be able to sleep. You won't be trying to clean your closet at three in the morning.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. I mean, it's fascinating to think that I'm I'm here also going while I'm here in Vegas, I'm going to it's called the NAB show. It's a streaming media technology, and I had everything's AI there. Right? Like, the whole conference is AI this, AI that, but I had this fascinating conversation with this media exec, and he was explaining Gen X.

Octavius Real:

I'm trying to remember the term, it was like dramatic shorts or, like, short like, in other words, their attention spans are so short now that they're the executives are like, we're going to package our content, like YouTube shorts or TikTok videos. They're like Yeah. Like, they don't wanna watch a movie on Netflix. Like, my generation is like, yeah. That's what we're gonna do.

Octavius Real:

You know, some people even binge it out. But, like, Gen X, they're like, well, they can't get through a twenty eight minute show.

Michael Scalar:

Electronic ADHD. It it really has to do with everyone's trying to market so fast that they're they're creating these hooks. Yeah. And these attention grabbing things, and the algorithm all knows exactly what they wanna see too because

Octavius Real:

Give them more cats. Give them more

Michael Scalar:

The phone literally the phone literally knows when you've hovered on that video and starts showing you more videos. It's the most it's the crack cocaine of media is our area.

Octavius Real:

Do you are hooked. But is the here's where I'm going with this. Is energetic medicine, like EE system and this this industry, is it a bit of an antidote? Is it a slowing down? Is it a a neutralizing, a homeostat?

Octavius Real:

Is it is it a chance for people to like, hey. This is this is the state you want to be in.

Michael Scalar:

It is. And that you you see a lot of people report that. You you kind of want it's almost like a digital meditation where you just kinda drop in and relax.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. It's kinda like just getting dropped into a forest.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. It's it's like

Octavius Real:

That's how I think about it.

Michael Scalar:

It's a like a digital detox in a way, ironically, partially using technology. But you you'll notice people are more prone to meditate. I have trouble meditating outside of an e system. I'm jaded that way. Because you drop into this state of deep meditation almost instantly versus normally if you meditate, you have to spend a bunch of time clearing your mind.

Octavius Real:

Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

And, okay, we're moving this thought and that thought and get to that inner self. You get there almost instantly in the technology. Yeah. E Systems is like the greatest meditation tool ever. It's a coherent field.

Michael Scalar:

Right? So it's it's The noise falls off.

Octavius Real:

It falls off, and then there's, a kind of just a a a call it a healthy weight to it that drop like, yeah, drops you in. That's a good way to explain it. Yeah. I think a lot of people report that. Do do the center owners, do they do they, like, say no no cell phones, you know, in our center?

Michael Scalar:

It's fifty fifty. Some some are no cell phones strictly as a rule. Others I mean, if you're running a business, you can't have a businessman come in and get an hour, two hour session, and he's unplugged. So, I mean, it's fifty fifty.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine that. And people will be like, wait. No.

Octavius Real:

I don't wanna come in.

Michael Scalar:

I mean, I'm work I'm constantly working, so I'll be in the system on my phone responding to emails and stuff like that. It's and then there's other times where I'm just, you know, dropping it.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. So you see both, in other words?

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. I I do both. I I phone phone EES and no phone EES.

Octavius Real:

I so but, well, here's where I'll go with this. So this this one executive that was talking about this, he also said he made this reference where he's like, he really just wants to get a place in Paraguay, you know, to take care of chickens. So, like, there's this whole reverse movement where people are like, I wanna be more human.

Michael Scalar:

And There's the whole movement of the of the digital digital detox where people are trying to get away from technology as much as possible. Right. And they wanna go back to it's like a a retro style of living. I was like, well, I'm I'm sick of the city living, so I'm gonna go start a farm.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I might might well, I might want my robot to also help me with the chickens, but I wanna also do some you know, maybe make a little bit of wine or grow some plants in garden.

Michael Scalar:

Love a robot winemaker. That sounds amazing. Yeah. He's kinda a tinge. I don't do anything with chicken, so you guys can keep the the the AI chicken bot.

Michael Scalar:

But I

Octavius Real:

think it's just a tailwind for this industry, interjectment. It's why I'm an advocate for it. It's why I it's something, you know, people if people are listening to this show, they're obviously aware of it. But it's something where it's putting people more in touch with who we really are. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

Right? Where technology takes us away from who we really are into these kind of addicted brain fueled beings, which are much more robotic in nature. Like, I mean, when people are really addicted to their phone, like, you're behaving more like a robot.

Michael Scalar:

We we are all extremely addicted to everything. We're addicted to breathing air. We're addicted to staying hydrated one way or another. We're we're addicted to sleep. We're and then we're addicted to

Octavius Real:

But those are needs.

Michael Scalar:

Right. I'm addicted to those. Yeah. But we're a long series of addictions in life. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

You're addicted to getting in shape because you wanna look good naked so that you can procreate or just have fun. I mean, people are every everything in your life is that you're addicted to driving a nice car because it goes faster and makes a good sound. You know, everything kind of gets tuned down to an addiction to a certain point. You're addicted to taking care of your son because that brings you happiness knowing that you can alleviate some of his pain, or just spend time with him. You know, addiction's a funny word.

Octavius Real:

It is, but I would say some of those are needs. Right?

Michael Scalar:

Yeah.

Octavius Real:

I mean, you may

Michael Scalar:

Well, crackhead needs his next fix too.

Octavius Real:

No. I mean, like, I'm just to say breathing.

Michael Scalar:

I'm I'm really just trolling and having fun with that one. Yeah. Well,

Octavius Real:

need or addiction. I mean, I

Michael Scalar:

The it's a it's a fine line between genius and insanity. Right. It's kind of a similar topic.

Octavius Real:

I think people I think people are gonna choose, though. Right? At some point, it's like, are you gonna choose to become more and more plugged in to the point you're going the way of a cyborg, or are you choosing more to know who you really are as a human with a soul or a consciousness that exists after you pass? Right? Like, which which group are you in?

Octavius Real:

And I'm not saying it's like that dual nature that people are gonna be one or the other, but I think there's a lot more people, and they're not an overwhelming voice on the Internet. But there's a lot of people that are like, we don't wanna just become consumed by technology.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. We live in this, like, multiverse of the existence where you have your NPCs and your warriors and your truth seekers, and then people experiencing life on all the spectrums of rock bottom to mile high. And no one ever stays completely elated, and no one ever stays at rock bottom. Life's this crazy peak and valley of experiences, and we're just kind of on that roller coaster going, whee, and then, oh, shit, and whee, and, oh, shit.

Octavius Real:

But it's kinda like that. I'm not sure if roller coaster is how I would say it, but, like, EE System is unique because it's like that hybrid model. Here is a technology that's creating a frequency, but that's also simulating more of an like, who you are as an electrical beam. Like Yeah. It's unique.

Octavius Real:

It it's not it's unique that you get technology helping improve who we actually are. Usually, it's the opposite. Like, when I'm droned out on my phone, this is not supporting Well, everything my being.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Everything's a double edged sword, so it's a technology can either elevate you or it can reduce you.

Octavius Real:

Way of saying that.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. And throughout life, there's a spectrum to life. You're either moving towards wellness, longevity, or moving into decline and disease. There's really no middle ground. It's you're either tipping the needle in one direction, or it's going the other.

Michael Scalar:

There is no dot in the middle. Because throughout the day, you're gonna go out and maybe be in a car, the smog needles going this way a little. And then you're deep breathing exercises in force. It's going up. Or you're going in the EE system, it's going up.

Michael Scalar:

And you're eating fast food. Going up. So you really have to do as much as you can to keep that needle going in the positive direction. And knowing full well that throughout the day, that needle is gonna drop. But at some point, you've done so much in the day that keeps the needle in the positive.

Michael Scalar:

It doesn't matter if it drops a little, because you're on a 25, 75 ratio. 75% wellness, health, longevity, positivity, and then the rest is the stress in driving someone hit your car, or they yelled at you, or your wife's mad at you, or you have some sort of drama, you you had a glass of alcohol, whatever it is. 75? Alright.

Octavius Real:

There's so much truth to that, and and the I mean, I keep using this term because you can see it's part of my cheat code of, like, how to think about one in this position because I don't wanna be a victim with it. I wanna be empowered. But as a palliative parent, like with Atlas, what you're describing there, the whole cascade is going not it's going to degeneration. It's going to to the demise of the physical body. Right?

Octavius Real:

And

Michael Scalar:

Well, you have your your your your template of of a human being. So you get are getting to experience a template of a human being that won a very bad draw in the genetics. This is your your life experience now is changing you as a human being. So it's part of your life experience. It's part of his possibly his chosen mission here on the planet.

Michael Scalar:

Maybe he signed a a soul contract when he came in. I like, I wanna be gone by ten. I wanna go back to source. Danny explains being on the other side is the most pleasurable place on the planet. So what if what if we're just this is philosophical.

Michael Scalar:

It's just kinda theoretical. No. What if we are divine beings that come down here as an experience, and we're taking the roller coaster ride? And and and what he kinda said it too is, like, we're the brave ones. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

We're the brave ones. We'll come down here to experience all the dynamics of life.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Death. We're gonna give somebody a hug.

Michael Scalar:

Sex. Love. Yeah. Divorce. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

Falling out of love and heartbreak. I mean Yeah. Again, that roller coaster. Like, what if we're we're live we're in a simulation designed by some sort of almighty existence of just energy, and we're like we're we're literally in a amusement park. And those who come into our life are the people riding the rides with us.

Octavius Real:

Okay. Yes. But where I was going with the child is slowing that decline. Like, anything that will slow the degeneration Mhmm. And then help quality of life, like, that's you know, whether Atlas's sole contract has agreed to have 783,000,000 breaths and then he's done.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Yeah. You know,

Octavius Real:

that's what it is. But since I don't know

Michael Scalar:

But while he's here experiencing

Octavius Real:

But while he's here experiencing, I'm looking at those options. If it's safe, is it something that's going to be palliative or slow the degenerative process?

Michael Scalar:

Right. Because you want at the end of the day, you want him to have the best experience you can possibly provide him while he is here.

Octavius Real:

Right. And, usually, that's homeostatic. That's a balanced state where there's not some brain blow up or some brain to GI issue or, you know, Atlas has to have an enema every day because, like, the brain Wow. That that'll that yeah. If that doesn't tell you what it's like, and nobody leaving like that one.

Michael Scalar:

Everyone say some prayers for Atlas and Sean.

Octavius Real:

Say some prayers

Michael Scalar:

strong man here to to go through his life experience life

Octavius Real:

all these. His mom is doing most of those enemas. I'm not there, but, like, just the quality of life.

Michael Scalar:

Say a prayer for the mom as well even though they're no longer his friends.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Say a prayer for her. It's very difficult to be a palliative parent, and that's just the kind of thing where any any energetic medicine or really anything they can do that's safe that will slow that decline, that's helping quality of life. Yeah. And, I mean, we're here talking about energetic medicine, but you clearly understand sound and light.

Octavius Real:

Like, that's

Michael Scalar:

And frequency.

Octavius Real:

And frequency. Right?

Michael Scalar:

I mean, I grew I grew up and I've been in this helping my mom run run the company since I was 16. And I'm I'm just her her rock. I'm her guardian. And I find it all very fascinating, and I think it's exciting. And the best thing is we get to see people have these profound results.

Michael Scalar:

And I'm kinda jaded to them now too, because people are like, I have this happen. I'm like, oh yeah, it's normal. And then they're like, doesn't happen. I'm like, oh, I've seen this my whole life. Yeah.

Michael Scalar:

And I can't talk about it, because then I'll get shut down. Yeah.

Octavius Real:

How do you do how do you roll with that mentally? Like, by being jaded versus not?

Michael Scalar:

How do you It's not really jaded. It's

Octavius Real:

just Yeah. It's it's Just tired.

Michael Scalar:

No. No. It's not even that really. It's just like that yeah. That's normal.

Octavius Real:

It's normal.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. I've normalized it. But to a lot of people, it probably seems jaded. Because they'll tell me the stories, thinking this is the most profound thing they've ever seen happen in a technology. And to their their themselves or their family member, I'm like, yeah.

Michael Scalar:

It's normal.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. Let's be real. Jaded isn't the right word for that. But when you are when you've done that and you've helped as many people and you have the system that you have the technology and somebody comes along and jacks it, that that can create a jaded feeling. It's not disappointment.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. A disappoint right. I I think what I'm saying is, like, those two are different, but, like, it one validates the other. Like, the the fact that it's been helped so many people, I just see and it's hard to look at it this way, but it's almost like a badge of legitimacy. It is.

Octavius Real:

Like, being copied is apparently a great compliment if somebody's

Michael Scalar:

Apparently, it is.

Octavius Real:

Yeah. But it can't that is the as they say in the And that's that aggression cannot stand.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Well, and valid. And, again, if someone wants to compete ethically and make something that's better than my technology or my family's technology, I applaud them. But do it ethically, and do it with honor and dignity and respect to everyone. You don't just go out and steal, and then you don't defame.

Michael Scalar:

Right. These are very low vibrational methods. And then anyway. Yeah. I don't wanna get into it.

Michael Scalar:

We don't need I think we're running up on time though, we should wrap. Was there anything else that happened with the congress stuff? Or was that more or less it was you you you just kinda wanted to go up there and be like, hey, guys. We need to protect the IP of these emerging technologies.

Octavius Real:

Well, it it wasn't quite like that. It was more they invited me Cool. To come to come talk about first the the whole CCP lawsuit, and then I that was also a great way for me to advocate and explain, hey. This is this is who I am as a palliative parent and also what I'm looking at now, when it was the hospice fraud and then seeing energetic medicine and the IP, in this industry being the future. So it's it should be no coincidence or people should not be like, this is random that there are bad actors entering this, industry or there's more or that your company, is being targeted or has gone through what it has.

Octavius Real:

And, yeah, I'm sorry all that has happened, but, you know, I I hope it I hope it turns around, but it if anything, it just kinda goes to show that what I was talking about to congress was, you know, as as we say, was I we're over the target.

Michael Scalar:

Alright. Well Yeah. Sean, thank you so much for joining us today. I I think we are up on time. Plug your book again so people can try and when when it comes out, drop it in the comments on this video too.

Octavius Real:

It's coming out, I'm gonna say, about a month, everyone. It's gonna be called the adventures with the great wazoo.

Michael Scalar:

Alright. Well, thank you for tuning in to Everything's Energy Show. Thank you, Sean Murphy, and we'll see you guys next time. Make sure you like, comment, subscribe, and all those good digital things. Peace.