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Jake and Rach talk their biggest passions, pitfalls, and everything in between
Rachel Scott: [00:00:00] Welcome back.
Jake Scott: Welcome back to Biggest Fan Podcast. I'm Jake Scott.
Rachel Scott: I am Rachel Scott, here we are.
Jake Scott: Here we are. And, uh, today, what are we gonna talk about?
Rachel Scott: Today we are going to talk about. Our passions per the theme of the podcast. Biggest
Jake Scott: fan?
Rachel Scott: Biggest fan. Specifically our stories, what we're passionate about in terms of work and how we got into that.
We both pursued careers or pur pursue currently careers in the entertainment industry. And so we're gonna, we're gonna start with Jake and because Jake tends to be a bit long-winded.
Jake Scott: Come on
Rachel Scott: babe. It might be a pure Jake episode if we have
Jake Scott: No, that's not happening.
Rachel Scott: No, I would love that. I'm ready to dig deep.
So, all right. We'll see how far it goes. Maybe we'll get into mine. So
Jake Scott: today's core passions, like what?
Rachel Scott: Today's core passions.
Jake Scott: Got it. I love it.
Rachel Scott: Yeah, core passions and just your story, like how did you. How did you get into music? Have you always loved it? I feel like I [00:01:00] find this interesting with anyone who, with anyone really anything they're doing in life.
Like, did this show up when you were five? Or did you discover it as a 34-year-old? What? What does this look like for you? And there's all kinds of different stories. And so today I have never heard yours. Jk, but I wanna hear yours. Everyone wants to hear yours, and then we'll get into mine either today.
Goodness gracious. Next time. Um, so yes, Jake Scott. If anyone was wondering, it's Jacob Lee Scott.
Jake Scott: Oh man.
Rachel Scott: You were born so people
Jake Scott: care.
Rachel Scott: I know you're gonna start with being born. No, start.
Jake Scott: I mean, look. Okay,
Rachel Scott: well go ahead.
Jake Scott: Let let the viewer know. I have learned the hard way not to tell every detail of a story when you are pursuing a girl.
'cause I, this is a true testament to our love because I, I told you four hour stories that could have been told in 10 minutes,
Rachel Scott: four hours, 44 hours,
Jake Scott: and then, and then like, so Yeah.
Rachel Scott: No, but today's the day. This is why you are a perfect podcast host. Born
Jake Scott: for
Rachel Scott: a podcast. Yes. Okay. So I'm, I'm gonna lead you into it.
I'm gonna act like I have [00:02:00] never heard any of this. Okay. I wanna know, when did your love for music show up? When's the, what's the first memory you have of being like, I love music.
Jake Scott: I actually know it was, uh, we, my family, we watched that thing. You do?
Rachel Scott: Oh, I forgot
Jake Scott: this classic.
Rachel Scott: So cute.
Jake Scott: So,
Rachel Scott: and also we watched that together when we were dating.
Very cute.
Jake Scott: Oh. Did I, was that my idea?
Rachel Scott: I, I guarantee you it was, but I don't remember. Go ahead.
Jake Scott: But genuinely 5-year-old, you know, I was a kid. It just came out my, we watched it as a family and, uh, the drummer in the movie Guy, Patterson Shades, I saw him and I was just like, mom, I have, I have to be him. Get me some sunglasses, get me some drums.
Rachel Scott: Was it, was it his vibe or was it that
Jake Scott: he was a drummer? Oh, he was just a legend. Well, yeah, I mean, he was just, uh, he was an absolute G but also I loved what he. Did like the, the, I loved the drums. I thought they were so cool. And then, you know, I did the whole pots and pans thing, and then
Rachel Scott: you remember that.
You remember [00:03:00] like getting out pots and pans
Jake Scott: and drumming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Full. They have pictures of it. But like, I, I was like, all right, I gotta do this. You know, put on some sunglasses, let's go. And then,
Rachel Scott: so you really had one of those moments where it's like,
Jake Scott: yeah,
Rachel Scott: time slowed down. You're watching a movie Guy Patterson.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And I was like, oh my gosh, he is, I have to be him. And then. Christmas was coming, so I was like, duh, I'm gonna as Santa Claus for. Wait,
Rachel Scott: pause real
Jake Scott: quick.
Rachel Scott: How old are you?
Jake Scott: I was like five or six. Okay.
Rachel Scott: Five
or
Jake Scott: six as
Rachel Scott: you for sure. Still believed in Santa.
Jake Scott: Oh, I was holding on hard.
Rachel Scott: You were 16 until you
Jake Scott: I made a,
Rachel Scott: we'll do a whole podcast episode for your belief in Santa.
Jake Scott: Okay. Um,
Rachel Scott: so you were still like, Santa is coming for me.
Jake Scott: Oh, yeah.
Rachel Scott: Drum set number one
Jake Scott: on the list. Yeah. And he delivered, he, I got a, I got a set of drums
Rachel Scott: actually. Kudos to your parents for this. I've, I've, this always stuck with me. They were like, if we're going, if our kids wanna get into something, even as a five-year-old, we're gonna get them the real version, not the toy version.
And so they got you.
Jake Scott: They, I mean, yeah. It wasn't like,
Rachel Scott: it was like a training set of
Jake Scott: drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. It was like a full-on,
Rachel Scott: it wasn't like the plastic, you know? [00:04:00] Yeah. It was drone, which I think that's really cool. They took you seriously.
Jake Scott: They did, yeah. Yeah, for sure. They took it seriously, and I do.
Yeah, that's a good point. I, I appreciate that about them. But like,
Rachel Scott: I mean, that could have altered your life. You don't even know It
Jake Scott: did. I'm sure it did. Yeah. Honestly. But like. I started playing around and they were like, oh, he's not terrible. Like he's not good, but he's got some sense of rhythm. And so we, we, uh, we met this dude, I haven't talked about this ever.
Oh, I love
Rachel Scott: this. Dig deep.
Jake Scott: Eric Gustafson, shout out. He was like, playing drums at our church or whatever, I think. And he came over and gave me a couple lessons.
Rachel Scott: They like hired him to do your
Jake Scott: lesson. Yeah. They were like, Hey, can you come over? Just like show him a couple pointers. Yeah. And he came over. I made him a, a big glass of strawberry milk.
Rachel Scott: You made it for him?
Jake Scott: Oh yeah. I was. You gave him
Rachel Scott: strawberry?
Jake Scott: Yeah. I was like, mom, I gotta impress him.
Rachel Scott: That's so
sweet.
Jake Scott: I've got an a in the hole here. It, I make him some strawberry milk. That
Rachel Scott: is so cute.
Jake Scott: And so I bring, it was just like jug of straw and he drank the whole thing to, you
Rachel Scott: know, he was like, I
Jake Scott: hated it [00:05:00] all over.
This was, oh, thanks buddy. Again. I'm like, six. But, um, yeah, so he showed me a couple things and he told, he told my parents, he was like, Hey,
Rachel Scott: I, yeah,
Jake Scott: he's good. Like he keep going.
Rachel Scott: He had rhythm.
Jake Scott: Yeah, he was like, you know, he can, he could carry all like the different rhythms with his feet and his hands and stuff like that.
And so like, keep going. Like he, he'll be good. And then I just started playing. And then I remember Hansen dropped Umba Classic,
Rachel Scott: classic.
Jake Scott: And Zach Hansen was the, the younger brother. He was the drummer. Long hair,
Rachel Scott: honey, you know, I remember Zach so hot.
Jake Scott: Everyone remembers Zach have that Ruby, it literally has a shirt that has them on there.
And, uh. I again had that like falling in love moment of like, I have to be him. Turns out I'm not left-handed, but he is. And so I ha I was like, I have to set up my drums, lefthanded. Oh Jake,
Rachel Scott: you took it too far.
Jake Scott: So I set my drums up, lefthanded and the whole thing.
Rachel Scott: Is your
Jake Scott: wrist
Rachel Scott: still shaking?
Jake Scott: Yeah. I was so sad because I was like, mom, I'm not as good as Zach.
And she's like, honey, you're not left-handed. And I was
Rachel Scott: like, that [00:06:00] was a big L for you.
Jake Scott: Oh, it was a hu Well, literally, but it was a huge L um. And so like, yeah, that, that was another spark in the thing of like, I wanted to do that. They were my first concert they came to, to Fayetteville and I went to see them in concert.
Rachel Scott: How old are you now? Is this like a couple years in?
Jake Scott: Yeah, I was probably eight or nine at the time. I
Rachel Scott: mean, yeah, that's like, you know. When I'm eight or nine years, no, I guess I loved like Spice Girls and those kind of things and probably would've gone to concerts. But it sounds like it was obviously going, I wasn't picturing myself as well.
I probably was, but I mean,
Jake Scott: it sounds
Rachel Scott: little rage. I yeah. You were, you were wanting the lessons. Lessons and all of
Jake Scott: that. Yeah. Yeah. And like I was just playing along with like, I, I bought these like sound huge soundproof headphones at, at, you know, the local music store. 'cause Guitar Center hadn't come here yet.
I was just playing along to whatever songs I could. And then I remember, I guess I was like, well, 11 or [00:07:00] 12. And my like, youth group leader, um,
Rachel Scott: Josh,
Jake Scott: Josh Edelman,
Rachel Scott: he married us. He
Jake Scott: was a big part of your life wedding. Oh yeah. Freaking shout out Josh. I love it.
Rachel Scott: Shout out Josh.
Jake Scott: Um, so Edelman pulled me aside and was like, Hey man, uh, do you think you would wanna try out to drum.
Youth group. And I was like, yeah. And so I remember one day he, he came over after we had youth group, or I think we had, whatever, I'm not gonna give you all the details. He, we, I did a tryout and, uh, we just played a couple songs and he was, he was playing guitar and singing and I was playing the drums and he was like, all right man.
Like, you know, practice. Mm-hmm. But you can, you can play youth group in a couple weeks. And I was like, alright, let's do it. And so, um,
Rachel Scott: were you like. Did that feel like a true kind of big deal, or was it like, oh, any kid can get up there? No, it felt
Jake Scott: like a huge deal to me.
Rachel Scott: And was it actually,
Jake Scott: I mean,
Rachel Scott: no, no. I don't mean like, obviously it's still youth group, but I mean, was it like No, no one, just, not just anyone could get up
Jake Scott: there.
Yeah. No, no, no. They, they weren't just like handing it out [00:08:00] to everybody, so, so that's true. But
Rachel Scott: no participation, trophies. It was like, no,
Jake Scott: it was like me and two other.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Yeah.
Jake Scott: 12-year-old. So you
Rachel Scott: felt like, oh, here I
Jake Scott: go. There was a guy who was playing keys and another guy who was a guitar player, and we were like the three that were like, they're gonna give us a shot on stage.
Yeah. And so it was like, you know, we're playing to our peers, which was, which was terrifying because, you know, you're on stage. But I will say like, it is such a, uh, rare and incredible place to learn is in church because. You're playing with other musicians on a great stage with most of the time, pretty decent gear.
Nowadays you're playing with like in ears and tracks and click. Yeah. Like places. You don't get these kind of reps without that setting. Oh yeah. And it just taught me how to be a good musician, taught me how to play with other people, how to lead a
Rachel Scott: band.
Jake Scott: Well, that came later, but like as a drummer still?
Yeah. Yeah. It just taught me like, okay, I'm playing drums. I'm learning song structure. I'm learning how all this is, how [00:09:00] these songs go together and like dynamics of like you build here, you go down here, and all this stuff. So like I learned a ton.
Rachel Scott: Is it one of those things that. Had you taken a class for that, it would've taken maybe 10 years, but because you were in this kind of bootcamp of it, it took a way, it went way faster to learn all of these things.
Jake Scott: Yeah, for sure.
Rachel Scott: I mean, doing is often so, especially creative things, it's like you have to do it.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Reading about it is not the same for most people,
Jake Scott: but definitely for me and
Rachel Scott: certainly.
Jake Scott: But yeah, I mean, it just all the, all the repetition, doing it all, like I was playing drums. Not every weekend, but close to every weekend at AT youth group.
And
Rachel Scott: did you guys have rehearsals and that kind of thing?
Jake Scott: We would rehearse early in the morning.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: You know, we'd get there at like seven 30 or
Rachel Scott: something. Yeah. But like what other 12-year-old is getting to do that? Yeah,
Jake Scott: yeah, yeah. And so I was doing that, but it was always just like, you know, drums was a hobby, didn't really think anything of it.
I was just like, who? I play drums at church.
Rachel Scott: Wait, I've never asked you this.
Jake Scott: I'm not playing guitar or anything.
Rachel Scott: Why didn't you join the school band? Because of sports
Jake Scott: like, like marching band?
Rachel Scott: No. [00:10:00] Okay. When you say it, no shame on marching band. No. Shame on. Well, yeah. Just because you were like,
Jake Scott: yeah, I mean, I was sports.
Rachel Scott: I mean,
Jake Scott: sports was my thing.
Rachel Scott: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Music,
Jake Scott: you know, music,
Rachel Scott: I feel like music. That's an I part of the story music. So yeah, go, go back into that. So it's your hobby. It's fun.
Jake Scott: Yeah, it's fun. I didn't think anything of it though. I wasn't like, oh, I'm a drummer. I was just like, cool. Yeah, I'm a. I'm a football player who also likes to play guitar.
Rachel Scott: Okay. But another question from Diane Sawyer over here.
Jake Scott: Come
Rachel Scott: on. So
get
Jake Scott: me
Rachel Scott: Diane. So at this point you're also 12, so everything is looked at as a hobby. At the same token, 12 year olds can be delusional. Like I was, like I am Meryl Streep. Mm-hmm. And so as a 12-year-old actress, but like. Did you, um, did you see it as, this will never be something professional in my life, I'm actually going to pursue athletics?
Or was it because that's the part of the story that you should get into next? You're a very serious athlete, but, but you just fully It was never like, I'm dreaming of being a famous musician.
Jake Scott: No, the, the biggest, [00:11:00] I've never said this out loud. The biggest dream I would have daydreaming is when I was in my, like, you know, garage, practicing with my big old headphones on.
I always daydreamed about playing at the talent show at my junior high, and they would turn the lights on, I spotlight on me, and I'm just ripping this solo, just shredding it. And every girl in the room was like, he's so hot.
Rachel Scott: Okay,
Jake Scott: he's so cool. This is the most, that's as lofty as my dreams got. Yeah. I was like, I just wanted to really rush.
You just wanted
Rachel Scott: to win the talent show and really just win the girls at the talent show. You're like, I don't need the ribbon. I need the girls. Okay. So just like, it was fun, but
Jake Scott: it was fun. But I had a friend who was just way better than me, like we were peers. He was just better at every instrument he picked up.
And so I was always like, oh, so you're
Rachel Scott: like, I'm not good enough.
Jake Scott: Yeah. I was kinda like, well, I'm not, I'm not as good as him, so I'm just, you know, I can play, but I,
Rachel Scott: I never, you never told me that part.
Jake Scott: Yeah. His name was Thomas Odom,
Rachel Scott: another name for drop for the,
Jake Scott: for the pod drops. But he, he just like, he got [00:12:00] it in a way that I.
Intellectually. Got it. But he could actually do it. You know, like we could listen to these crazy songs where like, you know, this was like when Emo and Screamo music was super popular. And so he's, he's getting on there and he's got like, he could just do these crazy fills and like nail it. And then I get on There could
Rachel Scott: be your age.
Exact
Jake Scott: is my, we were in the same class. Yeah. And then like, I would get on there and try and like, I could hear it and I'd be like, okay, I, if I like really practiced, I could do it, but he could just do it.
Rachel Scott: Specifically drumming. He could do. He was
Jake Scott: a, and guitar. And guitar. He picked up the guitar and was playing these crazy, like.
Scales and dissonant bins and all stuff, and I was just like, I, I'm not as good as him.
Rachel Scott: Do you think if you hadn't been comparing yourself to him, you would've maybe dreamed more about it or taken it more like, I can actually do this? Or was it also just you're 12 and you're distracted by
Jake Scott: it? Yeah, I just don't think I was thinking that far.
Okay. Yeah. You know, at this point I'm probably 14, and then I remember when it shifted for me was, I was 16. I heard John Mayer for the first time, like I had heard him obviously on the radio, but I was [00:13:00] driving. In my buddy's car, and he turns on slow dancing in a burning room. Mm-hmm. And I'm not kidding, this was like a life changing moment
Rachel Scott: for me.
This is another, that thing, you do
Jake Scott: it by times a thousand. I heard it. And it was like the whole world just like, like went silent.
Rachel Scott: Wow.
Jake Scott: And it was like, it was like this spiritual experience, honestly. Like I was so locked in to what was happening and so taken to another place that I was like. Dude, what is this?
And he was like, oh, it's John Mayer. And I went home and bought the album and I just like for the next four years, was completely obsessed with John Mayer, who opened me up to guitar playing. So I sold my drums, bought a guitar, songwriting.
Rachel Scott: Songwriting. I made you think about songwriting.
Jake Scott: Oh yeah. Well, because like immediately I was like, oh my gosh, John Mayer's this crazy guitar player.
So I sold the drums. Spot a guitar, but he is like one of the greatest guitar [00:14:00] players of all time.
Rachel Scott: Mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: And so I very, it's another Thomas
Rachel Scott: Oto moment,
Jake Scott: very much. I was like, oh, I don't, now he has a gift, like he has put in tons of practice and time, but like. You either have that or you don't.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. But, okay.
A theme. I'm hearing you no more comparing yourself to people like that because you're comparing yourself to people who likely have, I mean, yes, John Mayer's, John Mayer. Okay. I can't even, he's a
Jake Scott: hero,
Rachel Scott: but I'm just saying that's like the second time where you've sold yourself short said, Hey, I'm gonna keep getting better at this.
Obviously you did continue guitar, but I know as your wife that that's something that you're like, I wanna elevate and take myself more seriously. And so the comparison thing like gets you off track.
Jake Scott: That's
true.
Rachel Scott: And I think I, it's like, oh, I'm not as good as him, so I might as well, I'll go another way.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Or like, I don't have to try as hard 'cause I'll never get there.
Rachel Scott: Oh.
Jake Scott: So I,
Rachel Scott: I
Jake Scott: can kinda shortcut and just be like, oh, well
Rachel Scott: I'll learn that to get by, because I'll never be freaking John Mayer no more. So see you at the lessons next week.
Jake Scott: Yeah, I was gonna say, this is our therapy. Um,
Rachel Scott: okay. But so, so you sell your drums, you get your guitar, [00:15:00] you realize you're not John Mayer.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And then, and then what?
Jake Scott: Well, genuinely though I was like, okay, like. I love his guitar playing and I'm, I'm obsessed with it and I would love, and I am, I'm Now you hearing it publicly, I'm going to push myself to get better. Yes. But I was also like. I've never heard anyone write songs like this. Like
Rachel Scott: that's interesting to me.
I being a 16-year-old who was also like, I, well one, the power of a song that you heard slow dancing in a burning room and it changed you forever, it changed my life. And just God coming through that song. Yeah. Ab
Jake Scott: absolutely.
Rachel Scott: Um, but God used it and that's powerful. 'cause that is one of the best written songs of all time.
Yeah. But like that and then also that you had as a 16-year-old. Just even the understanding that like, oh, someone wrote this. You know? I feel like that's a, that's kind of, I mean, for me at least those, those concepts were far away. Like I wouldn't have thought, I'm just like, I dunno. I think it felt like, maybe I'm coming from my perspective of having wanted to be an actress, but it's like [00:16:00] I didn't understand who did what and how it worked.
But the fact that you went to the writing right away versus like, oh, he's a star. He's this or he's that. But you honed in on the writing, which is your. Greatest gift is you're writing. Thank you. You, so that's probably why, but it's also mature, you know? Or maybe I was just real immature.
Jake Scott: Yeah. But you're, no, I mean, yeah, I guess, I mean, I know that, like, leading up to this, I was kind of on this like musical walkabout where I was like, oh, I'm tired of scream my music.
I'm, I'm just kinda sick of getting screamed at all the time. And so then I went on the complete opposite of the spectrum and started listening to what my dad listened to, which is like. James Taylor Jackson. Yeah. The best Brown, Neil Young, like old, classic, true singer songwriters, Bob Dylan, that those guys, and I was, I loved that, but it still wasn't like quite hitting all the cylinders for me.
Rachel Scott: Well, maybe you needed a current example of like, this is happening.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: I mean, for you specifically, it's like, oh wait, this is accessible to me right now. Yeah. Like this just happened. This [00:17:00] song just came out,
Jake Scott: you know? Yeah. And I think what John did is he like. He married the, the best of the past of like the Bob Dylans.
Oh yeah. Just lyrical, just mastermind. But then also it's like, it's put in this context where like super catchy melodies, great guitar playing like hooky, you know?
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And just for
Rachel Scott: simple and deep and
Jake Scott: yeah, and like for me as a kid, and now I like know now 'cause I'm, I'm, you know, I understand it more, but like I've always been drawn to really catchy.
Stuff. Mm-hmm. You know, like even when I was listening to Screamo, like most of the songs that I really latched onto were very like melodic and pretty mm-hmm. Within the context of screaming.
Rachel Scott: Sure. Yeah.
Jake Scott: Um, but then John just like. Blew my mind of like his, his lyrics, his melodic sense, his guitar playing.
It's like, and his voice just, it was just like, it hit everything for me.
Rachel Scott: So, so, okay. So you've, you've gotten the guitar [00:18:00] and you're noticing his songwriting. Do you say, okay, I am gonna try writing a song right away?
Jake Scott: No, because I heard an interview, some same theme comparison. I heard him on an interview be like, yeah, the first song I ever wrote was No such thing, which turned out to be like a huge hit for him.
Rachel Scott: So then that made you say, I, I can't write a song at all.
Jake Scott: It made me terrified because I'm comparing myself to this dude who,
Rachel Scott: to like the best of all time.
Jake Scott: Yeah. One of the goats of,
Rachel Scott: he's also, you know, at this point, 15 years older than you.
Jake Scott: More, I don't know. I'm, I'm literally sitting there and say, okay, let's
Rachel Scott: not ages John out.
He's not
Jake Scott: 75, John, John. Um, but like, yeah, I'm sitting there just going like, oh, 'cause, because at this point I had started dreaming. I had started dreaming big. Okay. I wasn't just thinking about talent show anymore. I'm like, oh, I wanna be a, I wanna be a rock
Rachel Scott: star John because of that song,
Jake Scott: because of him.
Rachel Scott: Okay. And really quick pause. At this point, because, uh, people probably don't know this, but you were very intensely playing sports, playing baseball and football, getting scouted looking, looking at, am I gonna play baseball professionally? Am I gonna go to college for this? Had you, I don't [00:19:00] think from what you've told me, but correct me, I don't think you ever thought that that was what you wanted For real.
Yeah. Like, so were you, were you aware though, that like, I want to. 'cause that was taking up so much of your time. Was it like that was taking
Jake Scott: up all of my
Rachel Scott: time. Right. So at this point, you're 16, you're gonna graduate high school soon. You're now actually opening up your world to writing to music and that, oh wait, this is something I actually might wanna do in some way.
Were you like, let's quit the sports and, and really focus on this? Or was it like, what did, what did that, why?
Jake Scott: I mean, yeah, without getting too far into it, like yeah, sports was like, it was very serious. I played football and baseball in those two seasons.
Rachel Scott: I mean, and it was your whole world. It wasn't just like a casual Saturday.
Jake Scott: Yeah, no, it was very intense and. You know, I was pretty good at it, so it was like I was,
Rachel Scott: well, yes, you, I mean, honey, that's the whole thing with you, is you had real open doors for that world that you could have walked down [00:20:00] in a serious way.
It wasn't like, oh, the door, the doors closed at senior year of, uh, high school. It was like you could have gone there.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: But you knew you didn't want to. I just maybe a little bit of You thought you wanted to. I think,
Jake Scott: I think I was good at it, so I enjoyed it. I think for me,
Rachel Scott: interesting theme again, it's like, well, I'm good at this, so I'll enjoy it.
Jake Scott: Yeah, true.
Rachel Scott: And if you're not good at something, even though you love it, you don't wanna push it because it's scarier.
Jake Scott: Ripping to shreds, babe.
Rachel Scott: It's not ripping you to shreds.
Jake Scott: No, I know. It's true. I'm seeing it in myself. I'm like, oh wow. Yeah. Like I give up if I know I'm not,
Rachel Scott: I mean, almost being naturally good at a few things is almost your worst enemy because it makes you, when there's a challenge, it's like, oh wait, I don't know what to
Jake Scott: do with this.
Well, yeah, I've seen that with this. It's like, oh, I didn't think I would be as good as John Mayer, so I shouldn't try
Rachel Scott: as a 16-year-old,
Jake Scott: as 16-year-old. But that's why I didn't start
Rachel Scott: writing. I understand it, by the way. I'm not, obviously I really get that. But when you lay it out, it's like, man, what a limiting way to live.
Jake Scott: Totally. But like, I, yeah, so sports was such a focus of my time. And also like all my friends, that's all we did. Yeah. We, we bonded to sports. We played [00:21:00] sports. Football season, blended straight into baseball season, which blended straight into football season. It was, it never ended. Geez. And I was like, you know.
Decently good at it. So I was playing not only on the high school team, I was playing on summer showcase baseball teams, and then we were doing all these crazy seven on seven tournaments in the the summer for football and stuff like that. So it just never stopped. Yeah. Like I never had a summer day I don't think, where I didn't have a practice of some kind.
Rachel Scott: And I'm sure as you got older and realized, I don't think I wanna do this, and then you find something. I mean, you always had music from when you were a kid, but as you got like these breakthrough, this John Mayer moment, it's like, oh wait, this is what passion feels like. That's,
Jake Scott: yeah, it's exactly, that's,
Rachel Scott: oh, hello, passion.
Jake Scott: Yeah,
Rachel Scott: the
podcast.
Jake Scott: That's a big great way to say it. 'cause like I didn't know, I didn't know that I wanted to be a musician. I knew that sports never lit me up the way music did.
Rachel Scott: Okay, drop the mic on there. So then take me back. You are like, I'm not gonna write my first song. I'm too scared. And so then what happens?
Jake Scott: Well, like I would, I would, I would sit down in my [00:22:00] room and I would start playing some chords and I'd be like,
Rachel Scott: that sounds good.
Jake Scott: Am I gonna go for this? And then I would like sing a melody and like within 10 seconds I'd be like, Nope, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Rachel Scott: You would judge how, shut it
Jake Scott: down.
Rachel Scott: You would think, this is bad.
I can't keep
Jake Scott: going. Yeah. I was like, oh, this is trash. Stop, because in my head I'm creating this fantasy of like, oh, I'm gonna be like John Mayer. We're gonna be friends, we're gonna be peers. I'm gonna be this guitar shredder, songwriter, singer, all this stuff. And this is like the fantasy I'm living in. But then I'm like, I don't wanna be disappointed by the fact that I'm not good at this.
I
actually,
Rachel Scott: if it remains in your head as a fantasy, then it's a lot easier than if you, you
Jake Scott: can live in it.
Rachel Scott: Do it, and you fail.
Jake Scott: Yes.
Rachel Scott: Fail. Which. I mean, okay. John Mayer side. Mo people. He's also the guy who said to you, you're gonna Well,
Jake Scott: yeah.
Rachel Scott: We'll come to that in a minute.
Jake Scott: We'll get there.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Basically what I was going to say is, is you're gonna write a lot of, you're gonna fail and fail and fail.
Oh yeah. And fail until you a little bit better. A little bit better fail. I mean, that's the creativity.
Jake Scott: Yeah. But that, that is why from 16 to 20, I didn't ever write a song.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. So
Jake Scott: you college [00:23:00] scared. You don't, and I knew, I knew that I didn't wanna play sports because. I just, again, like it wasn't like a, oh, I know music is my path.
I was just like, I know sports, sports aren't, is not it because it doesn't excite me anything like music does,
Rachel Scott: but then you're also so you're too afraid to fully go for the music. Yeah. And you're also like, I'm 18, I'm just gonna go to college. Yeah. And keep figuring things out.
Jake Scott: And I was singing a ton in church.
I was singing, I was like leading worship. Two times a week sometimes.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. So you're itching that scratch
Jake Scott: a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I was, yes.
Rachel Scott: Is that the right way to
Jake Scott: scratch? Yes.
Rachel Scott: Okay. I always mix that up, scratching that.
Jake Scott: Um, but like I was getting. An outlet for it. Yeah. Like I was still getting to sing. I was on stage, I was doing that and for, for a couple years, like I was, I was content with that.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: But I was always going back to my dorm room in college and playing John Mayer songs and Dave Matthews songs and Coldplay songs and I was just like, ah, man. Like this guy. This is so, I love this. And like, I would, my, my [00:24:00] guilty pleasure was like, I would like binge watch. Interviews with my favorite artist mm-hmm.
On YouTube. Mm-hmm. I, I would go for hours. I would just one after another. And I'm not kidding, I know I've been talking a lot about John Mayer, but like there was a time when I think I had seen every single YouTube video that had him on it.
Rachel Scott: Wow.
Jake Scott: On the internet.
Rachel Scott: Should I be jealous here?
Jake Scott: Honestly, should be, should ied concerned.
You should be very concerned because like, I mean, I would go down like deep, deep, deep rabbit holes and I'd be like, oh, obviously. See,
Rachel Scott: I love hearing this side of you. Because I obviously didn't know you yet, and I've only known you actually as a working musician, and I wanna see that in you again, where you're not just focusing on.
Music is work. Not that you do. I know when you're writing, it feels very beautiful to you and exciting. Mm-hmm. But like that's just pure,
Jake Scott: it's just love.
Rachel Scott: Yes. And you need to, you have to, you have to find space for that. I know you're busy, your dad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Very busy. But like, that's so [00:25:00] important.
Mm-hmm. And it's also filling your, you know, inspiration tank, so to speak.
Jake Scott: Yeah. I mean, yeah, you're right. I need did, I mean, it feels weird to like carve out time for that because I'm just like, what am
Rachel Scott: I doing right
now?
Jake Scott: Well,
Rachel Scott: yeah, but that's the lie. Yeah. The lie is this is a waste of time when really actually like being a kid again and, and having free space to just be inspired is like the most important thing you could do.
Mm-hmm. I think not only as a musician, but as a parent, as a person, all those things. Okay, so going back you, you, um. I had one question before you go back into college. Do you think, 'cause I was thinking like you're 18, you go to college and I feel like I was an 18-year-old who had no concept of the future.
I just very much lived for the now in college. But I think you were that, I also think you had a bigger, some part of you that was dreaming of the future and of these other things. In a more tangible way. I mean, I dreamed of like, oh, I'm gonna do this or that, but it was, it was all about the now. Do you feel like had you not had this comparison [00:26:00] thing that was clearly holding you back so much that you maybe would've pursued at a younger age?
Professionally?
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: Really? Like 18 or younger, 16.
Jake Scott: I have no harassment before. Good question, Diane. Um,
Rachel Scott: please.
Jake Scott: I think if I had have had the courage to try to start writing at 16 when I wanted to, I think I would've had the light bulb moment that I had when I was 21.
Rachel Scott: We haven't gotten there yet, right?
Jake Scott: No, we haven't gotten there. But like I am, and that is honestly one of my biggest, like, as I look back, I'm like, oh man, I wish I would've just. Tried as a kid.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. But you know, you can't regret that. Yeah, I know. I know. I can. Can't I understand that feeling. But I think more importantly than regretting it is you've gotta look at how is that still affecting me now?
Jake Scott: True.
Rachel Scott: Because it is, you know, that that's gonna be a battle for you until it's not. But, but it's like all time can be redeemed. But I do, I am curious about that. And I understand maybe you [00:27:00] have to mourn that a little.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And I really genuinely wonder, like if I had started at 16, would I have had. The perspective of like, I don't need to go to college.
I need to just go start doing this. Mm-hmm. Like I need to go for it, but I just didn't, one, I didn't try 'cause I was too scared to be bad at it. And two, like I. Wasn't thinking about the future at all.
Rachel Scott: Right? It was
Jake Scott: just like
Rachel Scott: you were A little bit, but
Jake Scott: a little bit. But it was like a a, I'm just saying, I thinking about fancy pipe dream, it felt like a pipe dream.
'cause like, you know, I'm, I'm growing up in Arkansas, I don't know anybody. Yeah. Who's, who's actually done that. And I'm like, oh, well, yeah. You know, music is for the stars. It's not for
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Normal people, but. I had seen people go play professional sports and so I was like, okay, well this is a real,
Rachel Scott: mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: You could do this.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. Which is crazy. 'cause that's also mostly also,
Jake Scott: it's insane. But for me to be very hard
Rachel Scott: to do
Jake Scott: this is a much more dependable. Well,
Rachel Scott: but the doors [00:28:00] were opening for you to that.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. And so I think, yes, honestly,
Rachel Scott: maybe. So
Jake Scott: I think there's a very good possibility. Yeah. If I had started writing songs at 16 that I would've not,
Rachel Scott: and then you go down the path of like, you can't do that because.
Who knows how your life would've, you know, I, I don't know. I'm a big believer that like, we don't make every choice perfectly, but I know God redeems choices and can make plan D, plan A and, and just adjust things as we go. Yeah, and I know he did that for you, but I also know. We're broken humans, and we're also at 16, 18, often very immature humans.
And so we're gonna make mistakes and it's about growing through those, which is what I mean. You still, when you look at, when you released your first ep, you're very young.
Jake Scott: Yeah, I was still,
Rachel Scott: yeah. So back into it. So you're in college, you're leading a lot of worship, you're having fun, you had a great college experience.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Um, what happens
Jake Scott: next? Yeah. I mean, this is the, this is a shockingly quick version of it. I, [00:29:00] I. Again, John Mayer. I was on a YouTube bender and I saw an interview with him. This was my junior year of college. I will never forget this. I saw him say like, advice to young songwriters. You will never write a good song until you can write a hundred bad songs.
Rachel Scott: Gosh, imagine if you had heard that at
Jake Scott: 16. I know. I'm like, dude, okay, but I,
Rachel Scott: but you know what? That whole comparison thing would've still been inside you.
Jake Scott: Yeah, for
sure.
Rachel Scott: That's the thing, like the, the, the thing that needed. G healing inside of you.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: So that was there regardless, even if you had heard that and you had started writing, you would've still been self defeatist or seen some, you know, 13-year-old writing a perfect song, whatever.
Anyway, go
ahead.
Jake Scott: Yeah, yeah. But like,
Rachel Scott: but that is funny that the same person out of his mouth,
Jake Scott: the same, the same in his mouth. And so like, I think that's why it hit me so hard because he was like, you'll never get there if you don't. You have to write bad songs. And he, and the interviewer was like, so you write bad songs.
He's like, I write bad songs every day. Also, it's saying
Rachel Scott: to think that he doesn't write bad
Jake Scott: songs. Yeah. He's like, you only hear my best songs. Yeah. Like, of course I'm not gonna put out the bad ones.
Rachel Scott: [00:30:00] Well, sometimes we even put out the bad ones by accident.
Jake Scott: Yeah. So I have for sure. But, um,
Rachel Scott: well, no, I'm, you know what I'm saying?
Jake Scott: But then literally I went like a couple weeks later, me and a couple buddies went to, um,
Rachel Scott: what year in college is this?
Jake Scott: This is junior year of college. Okay. I was just about to turn 21. I went to Austin, the ACL Music Festival in Austin for fall break, and I was there and this was right at like the peak of like Mumford and Sons and, and TT Brothers and like the folk movement of like the 2010s, you know?
And, um, I was, I I, I was just blown away by these artists performing and I, I remember specifically seeing Ben Howard on stage. He was an absolute G, but I, he was at the time, like 22, maybe 23. He was, he was like two years older than me. Mm-hmm. And he was up there crushing it, and I was just like, that's what I want to do.
Whew.
Rachel Scott: Come on.
Jake Scott: I don't know if I can, I don't know if I have what it takes, but I know that's what I want to do.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And I think I can, I don't know why I think I can, well, I mean, [00:31:00] I was playing in church all the time and I knew I was good.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Like, call spade a spade, but like. I knew I had a gift with it.
Mm-hmm. I knew I could sing. I knew I felt good on stage. I felt confident. Knew you
Rachel Scott: loved it.
Jake Scott: I knew I loved, I absolutely loved it. But I was just like, I think I can do this. And so I remember going home and channeling that John Mayer interview and I was just like, all right, here we go. I'm gonna try. I'm gonna go for it.
I'm gonna write a song. Even if it sucks, I'm just gonna write it. And I got through my first song and it was like the biggest light bulb moment of my life. I was just like. This is all I want to do for the rest of my life if I can. I don't know if I can like, realistically, like I don't know if it's ever gonna work out, but if I could do one thing, this would be what I do forever.
And, um,
Rachel Scott: just 'cause it felt so good. You just loved doing it.
Jake Scott: It, it just felt like
Rachel Scott: wasn't about the quality of the song, it was that you loved it.
Jake Scott: I mean it's, it's, it felt like a very, you know, like a spiritual moment, like a god moment of just being like, this is what I was [00:32:00] created to do. You know, in some, in some level.
Whether it's like the, the big purpose or the just, just what I'm tangibly good at or feel the most alive when I'm doing, it's like when I'm writing music, that's when I feel like it's just clicking, you know? And, um, yeah,
Rachel Scott: there's not really a, a good word for it, but I think it's the same feeling as like when we talk about when you and I met, just that feeling of like, I just know.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And, and it feels, it feels like. You know, when you see, I don't know, for some reason Mickey comes, our dog comes to mind. A dog running. It's like you're just meant to run, dude. Yeah. Like there's, that's just joy. It's the same.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Well, I mean, there's that quote from Jerry of Fire. I think I've told you this, but
Rachel Scott: Oh yes.
Jake Scott: The quote,
Rachel Scott: it's
Jake Scott: the main character. Um, I'm not gonna get his name right, so I'm not gonna say
Rachel Scott: just don't,
Jake Scott: yeah, Eric something. Um, when he's like. He's debating whether or [00:33:00] not to like go into the, the, the mission field or to continue like training for the Olympics. And he is talking to somebody and he's like, I know that, like this is probably what I should do.
And he's like, and God created me a lot of ways and but, but he made me fast and when I run I can feel his pleasure.
Rachel Scott: Oh no, not me crying.
Jake Scott: And that was how it felt. I was just like, whoa. I feel,
Rachel Scott: so that could be Mickey's quote,
Jake Scott: Mickey's running. She's Mickey's our dog, by the way.
Rachel Scott: I already said that. Go ahead.
I'm sorry. That's so beautiful. So you feel that? Yeah. And also this wasn't it, truth be told, that song that
Jake Scott: was Yeah,
Rachel Scott: it's a great song. John Mayer. Okay, thank you. Wrote a good first song.
Jake Scott: Sad, but, um,
Rachel Scott: we love sad
Jake Scott: and I, yeah, it just felt, it just felt right. Like I felt like, okay, this is, this is, I, this is what I wanna, this is I'm made to do.
This is what I want to do.
Rachel Scott: So did you like next day write a song or how did that go?
Jake Scott: Yeah, I was, I obsessed over it. Like I,
Rachel Scott: it was the new YouTube interview.
Jake Scott: It was, yeah, I was in the back of every class. I would sit on the back wall [00:34:00] so I could just be writing lyrics on my notepad and I would like write these.
I would, I didn't really know what I was doing at the time 'cause I didn't know the difference between lyric and melody, but I was crafting these. I was cracking. Now
Rachel Scott: what do you mean you didn't know the difference between Lyric and Melody?
Jake Scott: I, I, I was calling them tunes. I was like, yeah, I'm writing a tune myself.
Rachel Scott: You the
Jake Scott: melody
Rachel Scott: you were calling
Jake Scott: Tune. Yeah, I was calling the melody a tune. 'cause I was like, oh, it's a song. But didn't have any words yet. I didn't realize the difference between
Rachel Scott: worship, leading worship hadn't taught you that.
Jake Scott: I don't know the light. Some of, I looked back on my like learning process. I'm like.
How did that not click
Rachel Scott: for? Yeah, I mean, 'cause I feel like that's even, even Big R over here knows
Jake Scott: that. Yeah. I feel like everybody knows that, but for some reason,
Rachel Scott: well, I'll say I didn't at first. You taught me, but I'm just surprised you didn't know that
Jake Scott: I I had no clue. Yeah, you're right. So I was around music all the time.
But
Rachel Scott: you were always now a melody. First person. Were you at the beginning?
Jake Scott: I've always been the same way. Like
Rachel Scott: So then you're writing the tunes? We
Jake Scott: were writing the tunes,
Rachel Scott: yeah, the tunes.
Jake Scott: And I was just coming up with these melodies. I was humming like each section of the song, and I would like obsess over the.
Rachel Scott: Were you humming in the back of class? [00:35:00]
Jake Scott: Mm. This is a little awkward.
Rachel Scott: Well, you
Jake Scott: have, I tried. I tried a couple times. I was like, and so, so I would, I would like, I would do it in my, uh, my dorm room and then I would like,
Rachel Scott: and then you didn't class write the lyrics.
Jake Scott: Yep. And I would sing. I would, this was like.
Again, my process wasn't super streamlined, so I was like, all right, I need to just sing it all the way to class in my head so that when I get in there, I can remember the, the tune.
Rachel Scott: I mean, the tune. You weren't even, oh, 'cause back then iPhones probably didn't have the
Jake Scott: No, they totally did. I just didn't For some reason
Rachel Scott: you just, you were in tune land baby.
Jake Scott: I was tune land. I was not thinking like, oh, I could just write it. I could just sing a voice memo. Yeah, listen to it in my. But I was like, I just gotta sing it. So it stuck.
Rachel Scott: Did it stick? I know your
Jake Scott: brain. It totally did. Yeah. And I would, I would, I would, I would sing, I would hum hum the melody of the, the whatever I was working on.
And then I'd get in class and I'd start working on lyrics. Stuff. And, um, my grades plummeted, but, but it's fine. All BS baby bees get degrees.
Rachel Scott: Okay. B'S is great.
Jake Scott: Well, I, I, I was
Rachel Scott: a,
Jake Scott: my dad jokes about this, but I would go into finals [00:36:00] with like all Cs and D's and I'd like, dad, don't worry, I'll turn this around.
And he's like, you better turn it around. And then I, I would come out all BS and I, he was like, okay, you got it.
Rachel Scott: Oh yeah.
Jake Scott: Um, but that was how I was writing. I was obsessed with it. I was doing it. The, you know, I started. I guess fall of my junior year and then kept writing and uh, and then. Fast forward. One of my best friends.
Rachel Scott: Well, okay. Really quick before you get there, so in that, in that span of time, how many songs do you think you wrote? Countless Or 10 or what?
Jake Scott: Five or six.
Rachel Scott: Five or six. Okay. But it's taking how long?
Jake Scott: Oh yeah. Each song's taken me like two or three weeks to write
Rachel Scott: at this time. Yeah. Okay. So you're in training camp.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: But you're writing great songs 'cause I know the songs you wrote. Okay. So then, so then cut to,
Jake Scott: I mean, that's not true. There were probably others that
Rachel Scott: just, I'm sure there were trash ones, but Yeah. Yeah. There were
Jake Scott: others. Others didn't finish.
Rachel Scott: But I'm saying you're having, you're, you're. You know, I think often, not always, but a lot, you know, usually if someone has a skill at something, it might be rough, but you can kind of see it from the beginning and, and again, there's gonna be failure and imperfection.[00:37:00]
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: But yeah. But you were seeing that there's something here kinda like in the beginning with Josh Edelman seeing you as a drummer. Yeah. Like, there's something here.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And I felt it, and it was weird 'cause like before I started writing, I, I had this just like deep sense of like, I know I have. I know I have songs in me.
I just don't know how to get it out.
Rachel Scott: That's so cool.
Jake Scott: You know, I mean, I'm sure it's the same way for you as a writer and an actress. It's like, I know there's this thing in me, and I know no one around me gets it because they're like, oh, sure, you're gonna be an
Rachel Scott: actress. I don't know that I felt it that way.
Certainly not with writing was a different experience for me and, but I, I think writing songs is such a unique thing because. They're short. So like, but I mean, I guess any kind of writing, like you could be like, I have a movie in me. I have a book in me. Yeah. Which maybe I felt that, but like just that you were that young and had that clarity that I have songs in me.
How do I get them out? I also love that because that book, I love Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert. She talks about, you know, that ideas of whatever it is, a book a, a [00:38:00] song, anything. It's like they're these tangible things that choose the person and come down. Hmm. And you gotta get 'em out or they'll go to someone else.
I mean, you know? Yeah. And for you, it's like you could feel that there's these things inside me that I gotta get out. I think that almost in a sense, demystifies it because it's like, it's a separate thing for me. It's not something I have to conjure up. It's something I have to let out.
Jake Scott: Mm.
Rachel Scott: Like David Michelangelo carving David, it's, what did he say?
Like, oh yeah, I just found David. Like he's already there. I just had to remove everything else. Remove that. That's what I feel like you're saying.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah. And, and I saw this Rick Rubin quote a couple days ago. Who for if, if you don't know who he is, like a music guru. But, um, he was like, artists, especially from a young age, like feel this thing in them that they don't know how to articulate.
They just feel like they see things that people don't see and it makes them feel like different than their peers.
Rachel Scott: I think that's true, but not always. And I think sometimes an artist can hear that quote and feel like, well, I'm not that, so that's, I'm not an artist.
Jake Scott: Do you feel that? [00:39:00]
Rachel Scott: No, I did not. I, I don't think I, I need to think about that, but I know that a lot of things that I read growing up about artists and creativity I felt outside of, and so I was like, well, I'm not that so I'm not creative and.
Yeah, but it's the same as what you were talking about. Like I It's
a
Jake Scott: comparison thing. Yeah,
Rachel Scott: it is. But also I think it's that we're taking people's words and their experience and making it, you know, everything where every, every creative person, every human on earth is creative and we're all gonna have different experiences of it.
Yeah. And so, but I do think for you, what that quote is you
Jake Scott: Yeah. And I think because my exterior was so opposite. Of what I felt. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: College football player, but
Jake Scott: Right. Yeah. Like, I was like, I was the jock, you know? Yeah. Like, that was my, that was my exterior, was like, I'm, I'm a play sports, um, kind of an idiot.
Not like actually an idiot, but like, that was like my role that I played in go group of friends. I was the, I was [00:40:00] the class clown kinda, and so like no one really took me seriously as like, oh, you're a writer.
Rachel Scott: Did
Jake Scott: any
Rachel Scott: that fuel you or did it shut you down?
Jake Scott: It did very, very silently fuel me. Yes.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: But I always felt this like,
Rachel Scott: people don't see the real
Jake Scott: me.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I, I felt very unmis. I guess misunderstood, unknown,
Rachel Scott: so, so in college when you actually, you wrote your first song and then you started, you know, writing your tunes on the way to class and all of that, were you telling your friends and did you feel shut down at that point? Or was it more okay then?
Jake Scott: So I was always kind of my friend's party trick. At at parties.
Rachel Scott: Oh, without
Jake Scott: the
Rachel Scott: guitar? Mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: Yeah. They're all like, Jake, Jake, yeah. Play. Play us a song. Play us a
Rachel Scott: song. But like, would you play these days by Jackson Brown? You weren't playing your own songs. Yeah, no, I was
Jake Scott: playing, I
Rachel Scott: was
Jake Scott: playing like,
Rachel Scott: which I mean, fantastic song, but like you, you weren't w whipping out, so no one really did
Jake Scott: you?
I wasn't whipping out my songs yet.
Rachel Scott: Okay, but did you? But then
Jake Scott: I started.
Rachel Scott: You started, oh, brave. See, you have a courage in those things.
Jake Scott: Well, because people were like. Uh, [00:41:00] you know, my friends knew I was writing songs 'cause they could see me doing it, and they're like, whatcha are you doing? I'm like, oh, I wrote the song.
They're like,
Rachel Scott: but the courage to do that, honey, I would never,
Jake Scott: well, it's one
Rachel Scott: thing, it's not good. I wish I, I mean, I get it that you,
Jake Scott: well it's not like I would be like, Hey guys, why hear a new song? And they would be like, Jake, play that song. But
Rachel Scott: you might be like, Hey, I song
Jake Scott: I baby, but like, you know. They there we'd, it'd be a Friday night and there'd be all these people in the, in, in our, uh, at our house,
Rachel Scott: dorm room, house.
Jake Scott: And then, you know, they'd all be like, oh, Jake, you'll play a song. I'm like, alright. And then I'd start playing, you know, like a John Mayer song. And then, and then they'd be like, oh dude, play that one you wrote play that one you wrote. I'd be like, no, no, no, no. Were you like, no, no, no,
Rachel Scott: no, no.
Jake Scott: Oh yeah, a hundred percent.
But also I was terrified 'cause I was like, this might suck. Like, I don't know. But
Rachel Scott: you did it. That's impressive.
Jake Scott: And I was super insecure about my voice.
Rachel Scott: So then you felt encouraged in it. 'cause you're writing songs, they know you're writing songs and they're telling you to play them.
Jake Scott: Yes, yes.
Rachel Scott: But did you also feel like a joke in that?
Jake Scott: Well, it depended on who was in the room. Yeah. You know, like if, if I played to some of my buddies who, like, they all loved like very different music than the kind of music I was making. [00:42:00] They were, they'd all be like, all right. You know? Cool man. Good, good on you. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: But then like a few people who, like, we had really similar tastes.
They'd pull me aside and they'd be like, bro. This is good.
Rachel Scott: So you were getting,
Jake Scott: yeah, I was getting affirmed by the people who, like,
Rachel Scott: who had similar tastes,
Jake Scott: who were also artistic and, and like, you know.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Like I, I mean we still work together. Connor Dwyer.
Rachel Scott: Yes.
Jake Scott: Yeah. You know, he was, he was one of my buddies in, in college and we have really similar taste in music and he still does all of my like photos and graphics.
I love that. I love, yeah. It's such a cool relationship that we have. But, um, shout out Connor Dwyer, but
Rachel Scott: fourth shout out of the,
Jake Scott: he, he was always super encouraging to me and we had really similar taste and he was always like, dude. You're onto something here.
Rachel Scott: Mm.
Jake Scott: You really need to keep going. You need to keep, man,
Rachel Scott: what a friend.
I know. 'cause 21-year-old people don't often, you know, especially dudes. Maybe I'm stereotyping you guys, but it just doesn't seem like that would be the way you speak to each other. No. Okay. Yeah, we
Jake Scott: had a very unique. Relationship in that way.
Rachel Scott: Well, and that's a real gift. 'cause you need that when you're first [00:43:00] starting to create something.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: Not that there won't be dissenters, but you have, or even people who don't get it. There will be, but you have to have someone, A voice of encouragement. Yeah,
Jake Scott: you
Rachel Scott: do. I really feel do. And you won't always get it. And so find it within with God. Mm-hmm. But to have it is a true gift. It's an engine. It's a
Jake Scott: gift.
It's a gift. And so,
Rachel Scott: so you, so you're, you're going, you're writing music,
Jake Scott: writing and, and, uh. Then one of my best friends started dating a girl from Nashville. And, and this, this was, yeah. Well,
Rachel Scott: now if we're gonna shout out people, we have to shout out the Sneads. We'd love you.
Jake Scott: Will. And Natalie. SS love s So, so Will Snead started dating Natalie, who's from Franklin, Tennessee.
And she, you know, her dad owned a studio in Franklin at the time. And, uh. Basically like Will was always like, he was the guy who was like, play that song you wrote. Play it. Oh,
Rachel Scott: love it.
Jake Scott: Even though he, like, he doesn't listen to any of the type of music I was making. Like he loves like you frat bangers, but like, I was writing like folksy, you know, sad ballads.[00:44:00]
But he was very like in, he was just so stoked that I was doing it
Rachel Scott: right.
Jake Scott: And then he started, he had me play one for Natalie, and Natalie was like. Jake, I grew up in Nashville. Like I'm around songwriters, I'm a songwriter. Like these are good songs. And I was like, oh, thanks. And then fast forward a few months, her dad came to visit, JD Chef, um, came to visit and kind of on the spot, Natalie was like, oh, hey dad.
Jake's. Jake's a songwriter. Jake's been writing some songs and he was like, I want to hear one. And I was like, oh yeah. You know, one day when I record, I'm I, I'll let you hear it. And he was like, right now I have a guitar in the next room. Let's go. You admit,
Rachel Scott: well, did you see this, uh, when he's like, I, at first like, as an opportunity or were you just like, he's not gonna be serious about this?
Jake Scott: No,
Rachel Scott: I,
Jake Scott: well, both, I definitely saw it as an opportunity. I was like, oh, this is my, this is my big break. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Well, and it was, honestly,
Jake Scott: yeah, it really was. But um. But like, you know, I, he was the only person I had ever even slightly come in contact with who was like in the media professional.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Yeah. And so I'm walking with [00:45:00] him.
It felt like it took me an hour to walk 10 steps. I was like, I cannot blow this. Like, what am I gonna play him right now? What songs am I gonna play? I'm like, he's gonna hate this. And so we sat down and, uh, aren't
Rachel Scott: you in a hotel room?
Jake Scott: We were in a hotel room. It was just me and him. I have met this dude.
But
Rachel Scott: wasn't he also wearing sunglasses?
Jake Scott: He put on his shades and,
Rachel Scott: oh, he put them on
Jake Scott: for performance. He put him on, he put 'em on, sat in the corner.
Rachel Scott: Okay.
Jake Scott: It's just me and him. I
Rachel Scott: met Shades, babe, he's your
Jake Scott: shades. Wow. Full circle. And he, uh, I had met this dude like 10 minutes before and he go, he sits in the chair, goes.
What do you got?
Rachel Scott: Wow.
Jake Scott: And I was like,
Rachel Scott: true Movie moment.
Jake Scott: Okay. I like look down at my shoes and I'm just like, uh, and I played 'em two songs.
Rachel Scott: Which ones? Hello?
Jake Scott: I played 'em. Truth be Told.
Rachel Scott: Well this is cool 'cause people can listen to it.
Jake Scott: Yeah, you
Rachel Scott: can
Jake Scott: listen to these songs. Um, I played
Rachel Scott: them. Truth Be Told.
Jake Scott: Truth Be Told.
Rachel Scott: Which was the first song you ever wrote, which is just very funny if you think about
Jake Scott: that. I just threw that at
Rachel Scott: Well, no, I mean that you're, the whole thing was I, I'm gonna write a crappy first song and then you actually wrote a great first song.
Jake Scott: Thank you honey. Um. And
Rachel Scott: what was the [00:46:00] second one?
Jake Scott: I don't remember.
Rachel Scott: Okay. It's okay. So you play the songs. I,
Jake Scott: um, I played them, I played them both those songs. And he was like, Hey man,
Rachel Scott: was he, was he like, quiet a minute or was
Jake Scott: he He said nothing. He gave me nothing. Zero.
Rachel Scott: I kind of love that.
Jake Scott: And I was like, Simon cow, you, he's hating this. And then he looks up and goes. You're onto something here, man.
You can use my studio for free anytime you want.
Rachel Scott: Oh my gosh,
Jake Scott: that's so
Rachel Scott: amazing.
Jake Scott: Okay.
Rachel Scott: Did you even know what that really meant to use his studio?
Jake Scott: No, I'd never even seen the studio.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. I'm like, that's another thing.
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Like you have no clue until, especially that part of producing like what goes into that?
Jake Scott: I had no clue. I had no clue, but I was like, okay, bet. Like I will follow up on this. I'm not gonna ask about it right now, but I'm gonna follow up on this. So six months goes by, I start then really dialing in. Like I'm gonna write at any free moment that I have. So I would like move things around. I time well, didn't
Rachel Scott: you have a standing date?
See, this is cool. Is
Jake Scott: not yet.
Rachel Scott: [00:47:00] Okay.
Jake Scott: Not yet. So I, I would just write as much as I could. And then that about six months later, I called him, it was summer, I was about to go back to school and I was like, all right, I got a little bit of time.
Rachel Scott: And you felt like you had some songs that you wanted
Jake Scott: to for I had like six songs that I felt good about.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: Um. I was like, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call him up. Called him and he was like, yeah, bro, like you got this week at the end of August.
Rachel Scott: Wow.
Jake Scott: There's an intern at the studio. Y'all can work together. He'll engineer the thing for you, but good luck. And I was like, okay. So I go to Nashville and uh,
Rachel Scott: are you so nervous?
Jake Scott: I was so excited.
Rachel Scott: So excited.
Jake Scott: You're so, I mean nervous because the thing is I'm very genuinely super insecure about my voice,
Rachel Scott: so yeah, that's a whole other thing. But
Jake Scott: yeah.
Rachel Scott: But did you, in prep, in preparing for going, you know, you're gonna have this engineer, but did you like YouTube? Like how did you even know what you were gonna do
Jake Scott: because of church?
Hello? I had been leading bands for years telling [00:48:00] everybody like. Each part to play. And I was learning how to think like a producer because
Rachel Scott: through church.
Jake Scott: Through church, because I was a drummer. That's
Rachel Scott: so amazing.
Jake Scott: So I knew what the drums were supposed to do, and I knew how they were supposed to
Rachel Scott: rise the call.
And you knew you had the creativity to be like, in this song, I'm gonna want drums here, I'm gonna want you.
Jake Scott: Yes. I literally wrote 'em out exactly like a worship, uh,
Rachel Scott: set
Jake Scott: chord chart. Mm-hmm. It's double spaced in the whole thing. And I wrote out the chord charts.
Rachel Scott: How long did all that take you?
Jake Scott: I spent like a week prepping for it, I guess.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And I just would sit down in, in, in my room and I would just, uh, like
Rachel Scott: hear it.
Jake Scott: I would just listen. Because I didn't have any recordings of these songs, but I was, I knew how to lead a band in church and like, because I had been around music for long enough, I, and I was a drummer. I knew like, okay, I can play.
Almost all of these instruments and I can just play these parts. So I'm gonna go through and write out exactly what I want this song to be. And it would be like, all right, guitar's here. And then the, uh, drums coming in here and the bass is here and the strings are here. And I was like, I can't play strings, so I gotta find a guy who can play strings and then piano's here and
Rachel Scott: everything else [00:49:00] you played though.
Jake Scott: I ate everything. I didn't, I didn't at the time, was not good enough at piano to like cover the parts.
Rachel Scott: So did you find,
Jake Scott: so I hired a piano player and, and the violist and a springs player
Rachel Scott: violist. How'd find them?
Jake Scott: Jd
Rachel Scott: jd. Okay. Yeah. And so, so everything else you recorded and went,
Jake Scott: we got in there. And so like, now I know this is insane, but we had five days and I had six songs and we were starting from nothing and we were doing everything analog and live.
So I was like, all right, bro, let's rip it. Uh, let's getting
Rachel Scott: there
Jake Scott: all day until like midnight. The engineer was like, alright, dude, what are we doing? And I had no reference track to play for him, so I was like. Uh, set up an acoustic guitar mic and let's just, let's go. So I, so I would play the first song, and then I'd sing down a scratch vocal, and then I'd go play the drums.
And then, um, actually we had a bass player too, so I, I brought, we hired this guy to come play the bass and he'd play the bass. And, and so we were just building the songs. And then the next day it was like, all right, what's, what's today's song? And we spent, you would
Rachel Scott: do a song a day?
Jake Scott: Oh yeah, yeah.
Rachel Scott: I guess you had to, you [00:50:00] had five days.
Jake Scott: Had to, we had five days until we were
Rachel Scott: there all day long.
Jake Scott: We were literally there till like three in the morning, and we started at 9:00 AM so like, and I slept at the studio. Um,
Rachel Scott: well, I know enough now to know how insane that is.
Jake Scott: It's, it
Rachel Scott: was
Jake Scott: so much, it was so much.
Rachel Scott: And, but did you know, like, were you listening back at the end of each day and you're like, okay, I think we got what we need.
Jake Scott: Uh, yeah, I mean, it sounded horrible, but I was like, okay, we just gotta, we just gotta trust the process here. I just gotta keep going, keep going, keep going because like, I, every new thing that we added. I was hearing it, I was like, oh, that sounds a lot better. Oh, that sounds a lot better. And then as they were coming together, I was like, all right, this doesn't suck.
And then my friends came in, uh, Gabe Trumbo and Will Snead
Rachel Scott: shout up,
Jake Scott: shout outs. Uh, Gabe was with me and like they would come in periodically through the process and listen. And I remember Snead looking at me being like. This sounds really good. And I was like, okay, sweet. We're on the right track. And the engineer too was kinda like, this is cool.
Yeah. He ain't never heard the songs before, so as they were coming together, he was like, oh, this is
Rachel Scott: good. That is so [00:51:00] wild to think you have no demo anything.
Jake Scott: Nothing. Yeah. And so I was like, it was just in my head and, and I was kinda like, okay, just, just keep going, keep going, keep going. And then. And then we got to the end of those five days and I was so gassed, but it was, I, I, I was on cloud nine.
Like, I was like, if I could do this for the rest of my life, this is all I wanna do.
Rachel Scott: Oh, that's such a good feeling.
Jake Scott: It was amazing. But Al also, going into this process, I had no expectation of actually making a living out of this. I was just like, I am going to. Fulfill a bucket list, which is, I wanna make an album of music that I wrote.
That's all I wanted to do.
Rachel Scott: So that's all you wanna do, but also you keep saying to yourself, this is what I wanna do the rest of my life. Why didn't you feel like I wanna do this more than,
Jake Scott: because I didn't think I was good enough to actually make it.
Rachel Scott: Where is that coming from? Comparison?
Jake Scott: Yeah, I guess like, I was insecure,
Rachel Scott: but like, genuinely, where is that coming from?
Jake Scott: I just didn't think I, I, I, I listened to my music and then I was listening to the music of, you know, the people. That were popular at the time, and I was like, I'm [00:52:00] not, I'm not, not as good as them. So like. Maybe this is just gonna be a hobby for me. I don't know. I, I was just insecure, to be honest,
Rachel Scott: which, I mean, everyone can relate to that.
Yeah, for sure. But it's just funny to hear you back to back, say, this is what I wanna do the rest of my life, but also this is just a hobby and I'll do this once and then I'll, you know, move on. Yeah. But I guess also knowing your story. You probably thought, or did you think, okay, well I can go be a worship leader and that will be my music,
Jake Scott: right.
Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Moment. I just can't be an artist.
Jake Scott: I didn't, well, yes. I always was kind of like, okay, worship leading will be my job.
Rachel Scott: Yeah.
Jake Scott: And then I can write songs for fun.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Gotcha.
Jake Scott: On the side.
Rachel Scott: Yes.
Jake Scott: And that'll probably be it. And, and so I went into this record, yeah. This EP thinking like, okay, this is it. I got my rockstar moment.
I made my album with music that I wrote. Bucket list checked.
Rachel Scott: But, but then who, um, okay, sorry, go ahead. But my question was gonna be like, what was the process? Who produced, like, did, did the engineer guy [00:53:00] put the songs together and you gave him notes back and forth or what?
Jake Scott: No, we were sitting in the room doing it together.
Rachel Scott: So, so it was done by the time you left?
Jake Scott: It had to be. We had no, we had no ability to go do more. It was it what we got in those five days. Well,
Rachel Scott: now days though, there's stuff you can add. You know that?
Jake Scott: Yeah. I didn't have the ability to do that
Rachel Scott: though. Okay, so you that in your
Jake Scott: It was done out. They were
Rachel Scott: done.
Jake Scott: The record had to be
Rachel Scott: finished. Oh, okay. Honestly, I kind of lo that feels so good.
Jake Scott: It was crazy.
Rachel Scott: That's actually insane that that EP was done in five
Jake Scott: days. It was crazy. And um,
Rachel Scott: so you go back to Arkansas and you just feel amazing.
Jake Scott: Yo,
Rachel Scott: did you listen to it nonstop on the way back?
Jake Scott: No. 'cause I didn't have a recording of it yet.
Oh, how long until you got it. They're all, they're all in these pro tool sessions. And they weren't mixed. Oh yeah. So they sounded arable. It sounded so bad, but I knew all the pieces were there. I found a mixer, um, I sent it to him. Poor guy. I mean, I had him doing so much work that falls outside of the umbrella of mixing.
Like he was basically producing the song. I was like, Hey bro, um, I feel like this needs to be here and this needs to be here. All of a sudden, sudden he's just like, [00:54:00] uh, okay. Like
Rachel Scott: But he did it for you.
Jake Scott: He did it. He was super, what a great guy. He super gracious and amazing. Shout
Rachel Scott: out,
Jake Scott: shout out Daniel Mixer.
Oh, my, his last name is Mixer.
Rachel Scott: His last name is not Mixer, mixer.
Jake Scott: Yes. Um, so I'm
Rachel Scott: gonna think about
Jake Scott: that for a long time. Okay. And he, yeah, he was legend. But, um, so then I got the mixes back and that's when I could hear it for the first time. And I was like, oh,
Rachel Scott: oh honey.
Jake Scott: Oh, this sound like real songs.
Rachel Scott: I wish I had that on
Jake Scott: camera.
And I remember playing it from my mom and she cried because she was like, oh, Jake. I thought this was gonna be so bad,
Rachel Scott: but
Jake Scott: I'm as
Rachel Scott: a mom now, I know what she means. Like, you just want your kids.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Well she saw me like putting so much into this and then she heard it and she was like,
Rachel Scott: it's such a huge feat too.
That could have been Jake. This
Jake Scott: sounds really good.
Rachel Scott: They could have been terrible.
Jake Scott: Oh, they could have been so bad. They could have been so bad. And honestly, I listen back to 'em now and I'm like, these are trash. I
Rachel Scott: honestly was so impressed with you right now. We should interview each other more often.
Jake Scott: Yeah, great.
Good for our marriage. Um, but like I, I played him for her. And she was, she was blown [00:55:00] away. Not just not because the songs were just so good, but she was just like. Oh, you, this is real. Yeah. Like you, like this isn't just like my kid with this crazy pipe dream. Like,
Rachel Scott: or like a delusion.
Jake Scott: Yeah. It wasn't a delusion.
I think that's the thing. She was like, this sounds this was in your head. And I was like,
Rachel Scott: it's amazing if you think about it because you essentially produced it when you'd never
Jake Scott: Oh, a hundred percent produced it.
Rachel Scott: Yeah, you did. And I mean, that, that is crazy that you, you're, you're a kid and you've never done it before and you have no real guidance.
And again, that's where all this. This, you have done this through worship, leading you. Yeah.
Jake Scott: That's the thing. It's like, I didn't know what I was doing, but I, I was producing bands
Rachel Scott: and that's such a god thing that
Jake Scott: had that every week and, and, and doing it. And like sometimes I would have to get on the instrument and like show the part to the person who was playing it.
'cause you know, I, I was in college with people who were volunteering it. There weren't
like,
Rachel Scott: yeah, sure.
Jake Scott: You know, but, and so. I just was think I was already trained to think like a producer. I just didn't know what production was. I, and I thought every artist did what I did. Like I thought like, okay, if you wrote the song, [00:56:00] you go in and tell all the players what to play.
That's just part of the process. But then. I learned the difference between like some people are writers, some people are producers, rarely are they both.
Rachel Scott: Mm-hmm.
Jake Scott: Overlapping.
Rachel Scott: I mean, man, the biggest gift of your life has been that you are a producer.
Jake Scott: Oh yeah. It's
Rachel Scott: giving, even though it's not your, like, number one passion necessarily in terms of
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: If you listed the, your musical passions, but it's such a gift that you could do it on your own. Yeah. Saves money, time. It's given me
Jake Scott: a career.
Rachel Scott: It gives you, you have a vision you can see through.
Jake Scott: Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel Scott: Okay. Wait, so back to it. So you, um, get the mix back. This is maybe what, a month later or so? And
Jake Scott: Yeah.
Rachel Scott: And then, and then you're like, cool, I'm gonna release it.
Jake Scott: Well, yeah. I was like, all right.
Rachel Scott: Sh Yeah, of course. So was there any plan around that or, or was it just like, I'm gonna upload it to iTunes tomorrow? No. Did you, like, who did your co, did Connor Dwyer do your cover work then?
Jake Scott: No. Daniel Petrino. Shout out.
Rachel Scott: Shout out. Okay.
Jake Scott: High school buddy.
Rachel Scott: I remember him. Um, okay, so you get the cover art and get the
Jake Scott: cover art. I had a little band name 'cause I
Rachel Scott: Oh yeah.
Jake Scott: Very genuinely. [00:57:00] Thought I'm not good enough to be a solo artist. I, this is from the bottom of my heart. I know very genuine. I'm not good enough on my own to be a solo artist, but I don't have a band yet, so I'm gonna make this under the band name Tossing copper.
Then I'll just build the band around me after the fact.
Rachel Scott: Okay. I feel like we need in life to look at this deep root in you of the not good enough thing, because I've heard this story, but I've never noticed this theme of like again and again. Not good enough. Not good enough. Not good enough to the point where you won't even put out Yeah.
Your solo music that you did alone as Jake Scott. So that's, that's for you and me later, baby. To discuss, do some prayer time. Our next Jesus saved. The day. Um, okay, so you put it out under Tossing copper.
Jake Scott: Mm-hmm.
Rachel Scott: And I feel like, uh. Well, I feel like I know that this is getting long and so what I'm gonna say is
Jake Scott: part two.
Rachel Scott: Yeah. I literally, Jake, I knew you're like, we're gonna do both of no, you thought we're gonna do both of us in one episode. We're
Jake Scott: gonna have an episode where I'm gonna grill you.
Rachel Scott: I don't, [00:58:00] don't say sorry. 'cause I actually love this. This is like, obviously I'm your wife and I've heard a lot of this before, but it just, sitting here and hearing your story, I'm like, couples need to just do this.
Mm-hmm. Where it's like there's no other. Point of this, other than me getting to know you in a deeper way. It's very interesting.
Jake Scott: Couples therapy. Start a podcast.
Rachel Scott: What up? Okay, so part two next week will be Jake Scott, part two, passions of a Lifetime Destroying Insecurity. In Jesus name. Amen. Okay.
Jake Scott: Amen.
Rachel Scott: We'll be back. Biggest fan? Biggest fan.