Mostly Middle Tennessee Business Podcast

What happens after an autistic child grows up?

Meredith Pettigrew joins Jim McCarthy for a candid, funny and deeply human conversation about supporting autistic adults—and why a meaningful life can't always be measured by a traditional job or career.

Meredith shares her journey from public-school teacher to leading Autism Career Training, an organization now expanding its mission toward Autism Community Training. The change reflects something Meredith has learned firsthand: every autistic adult is different, and success can look dramatically different from one person to the next.

For some, that may mean employment with a job coach. For others, it may mean volunteering, communicating more independently, learning everyday life skills, participating in the community or simply experiencing something they've never done before.

Jim and Meredith also talk about the teachers we remember for the rest of our lives, the challenges facing public education, why people sometimes feel uncomfortable around autism, community partnerships with Middle Tennessee businesses and organizations, and the importance of connecting with the person rather than the diagnosis.

It's a conversation about autism—but it's also about dignity, purpose, community and what happens when somebody genuinely gives a damn.

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again, like unreasonably hot.
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like, why am I sneezing? I don't
ever sneeze.

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COVID, like.

Yeah. So I mean, it's one of
those things that you kind of

look at, and it's amazing to me
that I don't feel like it's ever

been this bad. Maybe I'm just
getting older. Like last year, I

had constant coughing fits. I
thought there was something

wrong with my lungs. Oh no! Had
them examined, x-rayed, and

they're like, "Oh no, it's just
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there on the square in Colombia.

Have you are you you go to
Colombia much?

I don't, but I like the name
Vinny. Yeah. So I'm Italian.

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yeah okay

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countries over just

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yeah they had a Brazilian people
typically speak Portuguese, so

it's

not similar to Italian. Probably
still good food, you know.

Okay, what was your Pettigrew?
Doesn't sound Italian. No,

Deluzio.

Deluzio. Yeah.

See, there you go. I lost my
identity when I when I took my

ex-husband's name. Right. So I
got my horn still. That's it,

you know.

The voice you're hearing is
Meredith Pettigrew, and she is

with the Autism Career Training

Yes

Institute Center

Career Training

Career Training. Yeah, Autism

Career Training Act. Yeah,

I would imagine that's
intentional.

It is, yes, yes, and we're
actually shifting, you know,

kind of like letting it sprinkle
out that we are going to be

shifting our name, and that's
kind of part of what we're going

to be talking about. Really?
Yeah.

Ooh, so this is a scoop.

I know, right?

What's the What's the new name
going to be?

Autism Community Training.

Oh, okay.

And that's kind of the issue
with, you know, just autism. The

bigger question we're going to
be talking about is, is is it

employment? Is it functional
living? What what do we do?

Well, the funny thing is about
that. Even even you know, over

the last, you know, you and I
are probably around the same

age. We grew up in a time where
autism wasn't as like readily

availablely diagnosed. I guess
back in the '80s and stuff like

that, you had those kids in
class that were just there. They

they were you know how did we
define

odd,

odd, weird or whatever? I just

had no idea,

right? Because

even back then, the
significance, even of just

disabilities, it just wasn't
around me. I didn't I didn't see

it. You didn't see it.

Yeah, because you and I kind of
grow up not in close proximity,

but we were both in the
Northeast. I grew up in

Connecticut. You in Pittsburgh,
I would imagine that's where you

spent most of your

yeah my

developing developing years.
Let's say I like that. So when

it just seems like the frequency
of autism is more these days,

and a lot of people say it's the
what we call the sad standard

American diet. You know,

yeah. I mean, I'm not really in
the. I've always said I'm not in

the business of figuring out
where it comes from. I'm here to

to help it, so we can all kind
of form our own opinions or

follow trends or follow you know
research. I think we diagnose

better now,

right?

But yeah, it's it's different.
It was not around, but I can now

knowing what I know, think back
and think that person, yeah,

they were probably on the
spectrum.

Well, I mean, especially with
the ADHD diagnosis, that gets

thrown around a lot. Like, dude,
every kid has got attention

deficit disorder. Oh,
unfortunately now. Me too. I

mean, I biggest things that
people complained about me and

guys don't please bear with me
on my voice. He's damn. I've

been coughing for the past four
days. I was always, you know,

labeled as when my parents went
in to go get a parent-teacher

meeting, I think it was the bane
of their existence because they

heard the same thing over and
over again. Jimmy daydreams. He

doesn't pay attention. He
doesn't listen. You know, I pay

more attention these days.
That's about

it. You learn well with
anything. You learn to hide it.

You learn to control it. Oh, I
manage

it. I just accepted the fact
that that that night was a

horrible night. Just you'd come
home mad at me, and you got to

start paying attention. Yeah,
nothing's ever. Nothing is a

game all the time, Jimmy. You
know, you don't get to play all

the time. Yeah, you know, okay,
yeah, you know. But how did you

get started in all this? What
kind of led you down this path?

Yeah,

I always wanted to be a teacher
my whole life. I went to school,

small school, junior out of
college outside Penn State, and

I just want to be a teacher. And
then I found it to be more

marketable if it was special ed.
But again, I had no idea what

that is. And I walked into my
first practicum, and I thought,

"Oh my gosh, I was scared. I
didn't know what I was seeing or

hearing, and it was a lot. But
it ended up obviously fabulous.

And one of the guys that was
there was a high school. He was

like Rain Man, and I had seen
the movie, and he-I mean-his

voice was so cool, and it just
drew me to him. And I'm like,

"What autism? What is this? And
so it was like a paragraph in my

textbook in college. Like it
didn't. They didn't teach you

about autism. And every
practicum I had every year after

that, I asked for the kids with
autism, and no one ever wanted

that. And I just flooded with
it. I loved it.

Yeah.

And so it started in college,
and then just grew and grew

exponentially after that.

So initially going on the
teaching path,

yeah,

public school that kind of
thing, and then you had to you

you got that was still back in
the time where you needed a

master's.

Well, you didn't need it, but I
I ended up getting

it right

because I out of college I had
early childhood in elementary I

needed the special, so I would
have to do a whole other year of

college, and that's crazy. So I
just went and got my master's,

and I mean, you don't have to
have your master's. And now you

heard that you

did.

They pass it out now like flyers
on the Vegas Strip. That's what

I feel like. Yeah, it's like,
hey, you want to teach? Come on,

you can do it in a year. And I'm
like, that's

kind of how I feel like high
school is now.

Well,

you know,

just push you through it.

Well, I mean, high school to me
is like you know my kids. I'm on

my last child in high school.
She just started right over here

at Summit, and

oh, yeah,

it's you know, I'm not I'm not
trying to throw shade on any of

the any of the teachers or
anything. I know that it's

that's had a tremendous amount
of time in the last you know

decade or two decades with just
teachers not being paid enough

and stuff like that, and it's
becoming more like just like

babysitting. You know,

it's quite different. Yeah. And
when my kids come home and talk

to me, I have a junior at Summit
and a sophomore at UTC, and I'm

like, you're not going to get
any sympathy from me.

Okay, so let me ask you this:
When you're sophomore at UTC,

when they grad, they graduate
from Summit. Okay, because my

daughter's going to be a junior.

Okay, it

seems like the challenge was so
diametrically opposed from one

going from from high school and
then the next one going into

college. That seemed to be the
same case with you. Like all of

a sudden, oh wow, this is really
challenging and difficult.

Um, I don't know. My daughter
kind of just constantly just

rises to the occasion of that.
I'm like, oh, she's like, she's

like, she's great. She just
morphs into it. Yeah. But yeah,

the the workload is different.
But she became more serious

because she had something she
was going toward.

She had a why. Yeah. She she
knows why she was there. Okay,

when you don't have a

why, it's like when am I doing
this?

Right? Why am I waking up? Yeah,
that's one of the things that

we're kind of you know going
through right now and working

through with our daughter. And
I've told her, I'm like, look,

when you don't know why you're
getting up in the morning, you

know, of course you're not. It's
it's a it's a recipe for

failure. It's a job. Yeah,
you're obligated. You know, and

your your job is to get look if
you're there and you got all the

bills paid and everything, and
you know scholarships, just

freaking go. Yeah, you know, and
it's a tough life lesson if you

don't. But I've I've just come
upon this realization lately

that you know high school's job
is to get them out as quickly as

possible because they don't want
them hanging around.

No,

you know, because then you got
to build more facilities and

more resources. They get start
getting overcrowded, yeah. And

in college, is to keep them
there as long as possible. Sure,

there you go, right? If

they want more of our right, our
money and our resources, right?

I mean, does that seem the case
to you?

Yeah, I mean, I try to tell my
son, like, like high school is

preparing you for life. You
don't think so, but it's

preparing you for your job. It's
preparing you, like this stuff.

Like, yeah, I didn't. I don't
use half the stuff I learned in

in high school, but like
somewhere along the line, it

shaped me and made me more human
and more well-rounded.

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How long did you spend in public
schools and teaching and stuff

like that? Tell me how it
culminated.

Yeah, 24 years.

Wow.

Yeah, it's my whole life. I've
always, I just always consider

myself. I'm a teacher.

How did it? I mean, what was the
trajectory of when you realized?

Okay, this was it. One of those
things like, hey, I just need a

new challenge, or this isn't
working anymore.

Well, I've always thought
differently than most people,

and approached education and my
students differently. And a lot

of people don't like they don't
like change. They don't like

difference. They don't like
being uncomfortable. And so, you

know, you kind of you want me to
go from like the short

trajectory of like all the
things. So yeah, I was a

teacher, and after four years, I
kind of tapped out on autism,

and I wanted more of a
challenge. And I took a position

as a director of a residential
school for autism, and learned a

lot there. Brought a lot there,
and then from there, I shifted

and moved on to a school. It was
a private day school that served

kids with emotional behavior
disorders, and there I learned

more about mental health and the
impact of trauma. And wow, even

if you have autism, you're you
can be impacted by trauma, and

you still it still needs to be
like dealt with. And then I went

back into the public school and
was a behavior consultant and

really tried to like hone in on
the kids that like everyone just

thought we're jerks and we're
bad, and I never saw that. It

was this kid. Wow, what's going
on with this guy? Like, let's

talk about that. Let's work on
that. And really, if I got on my

soapbox and talked about public
school, would just be that we

are not serving our youth and
the mental health crisis. We

aren't, and I I realized fine,
okay, people say that's not

school's job, but it's it's our
job as a community to support

that and make change. And so I I
just pushed for that as a

behavior intervention teacher
and setting up what I felt and I

saw was needed. And it it's not
what school system is for

academics,

right? And

so every avenue, it's like you
know. I'm like, no. I want the

difficult kids. I want autism. I
want the hard behavior, and

they're like, well, hey, can you
go do this reading program?

They're they're trying to
basically you know apply their

resources to where it's needed
because they're trying to find

more resources because the
teaching profession is

challenged right now.

It's it's you know intensely
stretched and challenged, but

it's not all about academics,

right?

And every meeting we're ever in
as a teacher, we talk about

behavior.

But you know, it's not to I
don't not again devil's advocate

here. Sure, you know you got to
apply a level of

standardization, and it's
there's a specialty with

everything. You know, every
student could be handled

differently. You know, when I
sold Mercedes and I was heavy

into the sales side of things,
we learned different sales

techniques to apply to different
customers' personalities:

visual, audio, auditory,
kinesthetic, vac. And you listen

to the little keywords, and you
would adjust your approach per

customer. Of course, you can't
do that for a classroom full of

kids. You have to go. You know,
well, we're

taught to. You're taught to
because we are so, and that's

where I go. No, we're supposed
to.

Right,

and that's the push and the
drive and the exhaustion. I was

like, no, that we're supposed
to. This is what is best for

them, and they deserve that. And
then it it makes me even more a

little crazy when it comes to
disabilities. Like, no, no, I'm

gonna fight, and I'm gonna fight
for what's right for that

individual. Sometimes I fight as
if I'm a parent, and that's kind

of the that's a good teacher. So
makes you a good teacher. Yeah,

yeah.

You know, the good teachers are.
We had. Are you familiar with

the schools over here? One of my
favorite guys is mr. Savelik.

Oh yeah, uh huh. That's my
daughter's favorite teacher,

dude.

He's everybody's favorite
teacher,

right? Must be a good reason.

He got up and did the they did
the whatever they called it the

ceremony at the end of the year.
They're trading up, trading up.

Well, you know,

yeah, they're moving on, moving
up ceremony, the move. Up,

Sarah. There you go. And the
principal, all reserve comment.

She did her speech, which was
like everybody was looking at it

like scratching. Oh, okay. This
is an ironic look at her own

life, and okay, whatever. And
then he got up and made a

speech.

Yeah,

he not only knocked it out of
the park, he abandoned what he

was initially going to say and
just riffed.

Wow!

And I'm like, dude. And I've had
him on this podcast. So if you

go back, if you're listening, I
would say about a year or so

ago, maybe a little, a little
bit longer. mr. Savelik, Greg

Savelik was on. Interesting
spelling. You can't miss it. But

one of the most well-received
episodes we've ever had, because

he's truly a guy who gives a
damn.

Yeah,

you know,

and your students know.

Yeah,

they know when you care,

right?

And they're going to seek you
out.

And it's really, it's funny
because students will know, and

they'll carry that the rest of
their lives.

Absolutely,

you know, who who really gave a
damn,

and that's the kind of teacher.
That's why I wanted to be a

teacher. I wanted to make it
fun. I hated school. I wanted to

make it fun. I said you wanted

to be a teacher because you
hated school. Yes,

but I wanted to make it fun. I
knew I could make it fun. I

wanted people to enjoy their
life because you're not going to

get out of it. But yeah, I want
to. I want to be remembered. I

want to be one of those teachers
that someone thinks back and

goes, "I remember Miss
Pettigrew, man. Remember when

she brought the tahini in? She
had us earn, you know, tickets,

and we got to put tahin on our
fruit at lunch. Do you remember

your bad

teachers?

Every single

one. The names of the academic

go from kindergarten up.

See, that's you remember the
good ones and the ones that are

kind of indifferent. You're
like, yeah. What was her name?

Yeah,

yeah.

All of or you're talking to a
friend, and they're like, "Oh

yeah, I hated her, or "Oh, she
was tough, or such strong

reactions. Top, yeah, yeah, like
really powerful. There

was one guy in my middle school,
mr. Golden. I it's not that I

didn't I dislike him. I see what
he was doing now, and still

there's a part of me that says,
"Well, maybe not, but he was a

Vietnam vet, and in middle
school, we called it junior high

school back then. Some kid
didn't stand for the flag, the

pledge.

Oh, okay.

And he went shit. I mean, off
the rails. Just you know, my my

friends died, and I carried
their bodies off the field so

you can sit your ass down and do
what you're doing now. Get, I

mean, just I wasn't in the
classroom, but I think I was

like three of the classrooms
down, and we could hear them.

And it's like you look at that
and you go, I could see your

point, but

I mean, I we teachers don't talk
to kids like that anymore, and

if they did, oh my gosh, yeah,
their parents would be. That's

what made us

Gen X, man.

I know, like we we can handle
anything now.

Yeah, but he was one of these
guys that would, you know, he

said it to me one time because
he taught algebra, and I look at

what he said as a negative
motivator, I guess is the best

way to say it. McCarthy, you
keep doing this kind of stuff,

you're never going to do
anything in life. Something like

along one of like one of those
comments.

Sure,

and I'll never forget the way he
said it. And as an adult, you go

back and measure it and say,
okay, did you really mean that,

or were you trying to be just a
hard ass military motivator?

5050. Yeah, it could be either
way.

Or you just like really that
hateful

because people are hateful.
Teachers are hateful.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Really. Oh

yeah. Bring in some students.
They'll tell you there are a lot

of teachers that are hateful. I
mean, I'm definitely not doc. I

mean, I mean, the

original like motivation to get
into what they're doing, I

guess,

right? It

morphs over time,

right? But it's like, did you
really get into it for the right

reasons, the right passion, the
right why, or were you like, oh

yeah, if I go and do this for a
year, I can get a degree in

teaching? Yeah, I'm like, and
you're signing up for like a lot

more than you think you are,
yeah. I mean, there's amazing

teachers out there, but there
are teachers that you feel like

you could probably move on,
yeah, for sure. When

did it? So when did everything
kind of happen for you? Where

you're like, I'm kind of done
here.

Well, I have always loved what I
did, always, and last year was

the hardest year of my entire
career, and it wasn't like any

particular. It wasn't like a
student student's fault. It was

just the type of disability they
had, and what came with that. I

mean, I'm used to grown men
coming at me physically and

being able to manage that, or
using my, you know, my being a

smartass to like turn them and
do all the things. But that it

just was such a super tough job
for me. I just felt beat down

every single day and hated my
job. And my assistant was the

same way. We both just did not
like. We, I was like, I'm just

gonna go work at Kroger. It's
fine. I'm gonna go. I don't know

what I'm gonna do, and so I
found a school. I moved on, and

it wasn't the right fit, but I
got what I needed out of it,

which was to love teaching
again. And that's been like this

shift this year of realizing I
am a human. I'm not a teacher.

Like I'm not a teacher. I'm a
human who teaches. Like I've had

that distinction for myself this
year. Is that just teaching is

what I do. It's not who I am.
And my whole life, it's been who

I am. And I've had to shift.
Yeah, yeah. And I've had to

shift that. There are other
things in the world. I joke. I

say when I do conferences, I'm
like, my tombstone is not going

to say I was a great teacher.
It's going to talk about me

being as a person and a mom, and
so I feel like along the way

those things got shifted for me,
and I focused a whole lot more

on my job and my students than I
did my own family, my own

children, and so anyway, yeah, I
got filled back up, loved

teaching again, and I was like,
but this isn't the place, and oh

no, what do I do? And it took
just one email to Autism Career

Training. I worked with them as
a company when they were Autism

Foundation of Tennessee, and
they did behavior therapy. I ran

their their summer camps for the
little kids, and I was like, you

know, I'm just gonna call her
and see what she's doing. And

she's like, actually,

funny. You should need to come

in and talk to us. I was like,
"What? And then it just was the

right place at the right time.
And now I'm like, "This is the

best thing in the whole
universe. I don't have to, you

know, go through all the red
tapes and the things. And we can

really focus on what we need to
do for adults instead of trying

to focus on what we I need to do
for kids, but having to do all

these other X, Y, and Z things
in the school system,

and it's a nonprofit.

It's a nonprofit, right?

And basically trying to get out
there and make sure it's funded

and everything,

all the things. Yeah, the Autism
Foundation of Tennessee has been

around for over 20 years, and
it's evolved in its pockets of

where the mission is and what it
serves, and this particular area

now is just adults.

Now, autism define how like
what's the clinical definition

approach to it.

Well, that's put me on the spot
now. So you have to have a delay

in communication, some sort of
communication issue of either

being verbal or receptive
language. You have behavioral

repetition going on. Whether a
lot of people like when they're

younger, they'll cue in like
someone's lining up cars,

staring at ceiling fans. Where
like a baby does look at a

ceiling fan, but when you like
obsessively and can't, your

attention won't go anywhere
else? Like that's a problem. So

like hyper focus on things is
something to look out for.

Is OCD a part of that?

It's it's it's there are those
characteristics are part of it.

Characteristics of ADHD,
characteristics of ODD. Like

there's just characteristics
that are in there, and I think

it's probably hard for
clinicians. Well, that might be

easy for them, but to
differentiate when it's just

ADHD or when it's ADHD and
autism.

See, as I've learned about
autism, it seems to me almost

like like a superpower. Oh yeah,
because they're like genius

level thinkers, but in one
specific area.

And it depends because, and we
say the autism is a spectrum.

Every you know that saying that
is kind of cheesy to me now, but

every person with autism is
different. Yes, they are.

They're all very different.
Whereas there are a lot of

people that have those hyper
focuses and are really good, but

then there's others that don't
have that, and they have other

things that they're they're
dealing with. So yeah, the media

is going to be like Rain Man or
The Good Doctor. There's a lot

of publicity now on autism,
showing what it looks like in

varying degrees. Atypical is a
great show on HBO. I believe

that those are Beautiful

Mind.

Beautiful Mind, yeah, all of
that stuff. And then you have

all these, you know, celebrities
that are coming out and saying

that they're on the spectrum,
and you know, I think we all

have a little.

Yeah, I would say a

little something.

Yeah,

that we're, and it's but it's
when it becomes a hyper issue,

like it's a really big issue
that you can't shift off of. Is

that's when there's the the
concern.

What's the criteria of people
coming into your program? What

does it autism mean? Autism in
general. Yeah,

you got to be diagnosed with
autism. There are other programs

that do work with other
individuals with disabilities,

which we happen to be on
property of another company that

works with an array of
disabilities. Right, but we're

specific to autism. We do have
two individuals that also have

Down syndrome as a combined, and
then you're going to have like

just the co diagnoses of ADHD or
OCD things like that, but it's

primarily autism.

Well, I'll ask you know when
you're when you're going through

this, what's what's like a
milestone that might seem tiny

to somebody. On the outside, but
huge to your team and the

family.

Oh, I mean, it's different for
everyone. It could be maybe a

parent that walks their child up
to the door every day, but one

day they walk into the door and
they push the doorbell

themselves.

Oh, really?

So it's building that
independence of you. You can do

this by yourself. So just
sitting in the parking lot.

Okay, go. You walk. They can
walk on their own to the front

door. We do a lot of cooking, so
hopefully transferring some of

that cooking to home, and we
really work on that functional

daily living skill. So things
that they can do on their own

and then take it home make their
life easier, make parents' life

easier too.

What is it that you look like?
What's the goal for the next

510, years for you guys? The

goal is just to be a place where
adults can come and thrive and

learn and be happy. There's no
like, oh, they have to have this

many skills and then they
graduate. It's nothing like

that. It's just a continuum of
of support and care.

So essentially, you're you're
there always. Hey, you come in

the door, you're always going to
be part of the family, so to

speak.

Absolutely.

You know, we'll help you. You
know, get ready for the

community as well as a career.
What type of careers have been

placed out of there? So that's

kind of been the dilemma, if you
will, from when this adult part

of the company took over and
started, is that was the initial

drive was to work on employable
skills, working on vocational

skills, and so they saw like
just not they weren't building

them, but it's not because they
weren't doing a good job. It was

just because of the type of
individual they had. So we said

autism is a spectrum. Well, we
have 15 individuals in our

program. So within those 15 guys
or girls, we have an array of

skills where we might have one
student right now. I keep see. I

go back to the student. I have
to keep. I keep saying guys.

They're adults who could have a
job with a job coach. We have

several that couldn't, but we go
in the community and volunteer.

So it's like a job to them, and
they love it and they thrive on

it. But you know, it's not. They
don't get paid. We get paid via

like chicken at Waldo's. So we
we volunteer at Waldo's Chicken

in Franklin, and it's amazing to
watch. They just are so happy to

be there, and the workers are
like, "Wow, this is really cool.

What are they doing? I was like,
"They're prep. We prep for the

morning. We prep for your rush.
So yeah, it's just this

continuum of care and support,
and not really ever necessarily

achieving a job. And that's
where we're talking about

shifting our name to community
instead of career. We don't want

to give the perception to the
the public, like, oh, I'm going

to call them. I have higher
functioning autism. I'm going to

call them, and they can help me,
like job coach me and help me

with interview skills

and

things like that. That's very
well needed, and no one's out

there doing it. That's the
thing. There's what's out there

for adults? That's the problem.
And one company can't do it all.

One place can't do it all. So,
just as I know, as a teacher, I

was like, "No, I'm honing in,
and I'm going to go in this

direction. That's where we are
trying to decide what direction

we can't do

it all. Right.

So right now, it's about
community engagement and

community support, getting the
guys out, not just going to

Kroger. I've been trying to. One
of my new little taglines is

like, "We're not going to say
like, 'Oh, where are we going

today? We are saying, 'What are
we teaching today? We're going

to Publix to pick up our
groceries, but we're not going

to just like walk you through
and tell you what to get. You're

going to have a sheet, just like
you would if your wife sent you

the grocery store, you have a
checklist which you're used to

doing in school. So now we're
transferring those skills. You

have a checklist, and you're
going in with a schedule

basically to Publix, and you
find your things. You use your

credit card, pay for it, and you
come

home. And it's basically those
types of life skills, general

things like that, engaging in
the community, volunteering-that

may lead to an employment
opportunity at some point.

Essentially, is what you are
kind of doing. Yeah,

absolutely. Yeah, I said that
focus isn't on the career skills

because it has hadn't been going
anywhere, and so how can we

still work on those things, but
the focus just be on the

experience, the engagement, and
enriching their lives? So that's

what we're that's trying to
strive for. Yeah,

and then you know, number of
participants. How do you want,

like, as far as growing it in
terms of staff, things of that

nature, I mean, you know, so

tough. How much?

How much staff do you need per
man? As

many as we can get. Really. So I
will say. So I've only been the

executive director since the end
of June. Right. So I'm new in

this role. Sure. You know, and I
come in. I'm like, oh, that's we

need more staff and. Of course,
the founder and the operation

directors go. Where's that money
coming from?

Right,

but it's like, well, that's what
we need because that's always

me. That's what we need, and
they're like, but where? How are

we funding it? And so there
isn't a perfect like ratio

number. So, for example, we have
like we have 15, but on any

given day we might have like the
most of 1212, individuals. And

so let's say we've got we've got
four staff. Well, we also just

we just had two two new hires,
so we have a teacher and three

co teachers, and so then we have
the community engagement

coordinator community engagement
coordinator coming in, and she's

going to take them out to
Waldo's. So she takes them out

to Waldo's, but she has to take
one of our staff with her, one

of the staff during the day. So
that's two people out in the

community. So now that's three
staff left back at the building

with, say, nine individuals. You
feel like that's pretty good

ratio, but what happens if
there's a behavior, what happens

if just what happens if things
can come up all the time? We

really try to run a very
structured schedule for the

guys. So, like we do rotations
in the morning where they'll be

working on leisure skills,
they'll be working on just any

type of other skill area, and
then cooking. So that's three

staff, but we're having to watch
guys that are roaming and moving

and doing this. Now all of our
doors are locked. We have keypad

entry and exit because we we we
can't monitor all the doors. So

it just becomes, yeah, that's a
tough question.

Yeah,

makes me squirm. Well,

that's the thing is like you
being new in the position.

Initial challenges that you're
like, okay, we need to address

this. Anything like that popping
up, and I glaring at all, or no

things that I just have have
addressed are like this needs to

be structured better for
independence. We're not

caregivers. We're not respite.
We we're not just like hanging

out. Like we are, everything we
do is for teaching purpose to

enrich their lives. So just
structuring that from like my

knowledge and my experience of
what I know from the school

system and what I'm bringing
into it, so just restructuring

the way we we teach. We've got
one woman who just started with

us, and she's been a TA in the
public school. She's a mom.

Actually, our daughters are
roommates last year in college.

She's great. She she supports
all the things, but she doesn't

know the teaching aspect. So she
was, for example, we've got one

of the trainees. Really, if he
sees food, he'll go for

it.

And she's like, "No, I really
want him to be a part of this

movie day. I really want him to
do it. I'm like, "Get everyone

on board. Fine, go for it,
right? She's initiating, do it,

okay. And so she's like, okay,
so I'm gonna give him his

popcorn, and when he wants more,
he's he's gonna ask me for it.

How's he gonna do that? He can't
talk. So so she's like, oh, I

didn't think about that. So it's
teaching her to have those

stronger components, teaching
you know all of us. But that's

just one example that comes to
mind last Friday, which it was a

successful movie day with
popcorn, no drama.

What movie did you watch?

Put me on the spot. I don't
know. I was in the office. There

was no drama. What did they
watch? Oh, that's embarrassing.

I don't know. She'll call me.
You got a big job. Maybe got a

little

responsibility. And I was in and
out

watching their. Are you in

charge of like helping market
and fundraise?

Yeah, all of

it. Nice.

Yes, it's. Is that a

first for you?

Ish.

Yeah.

Like I love social media. I love
doing the posts. I just I love

it. We are gearing up. We have a
big benefit coming up at the end

of September. Oh, really? At Top
Golf, actually, yep, swings for

the spectrum. So I, the founder
Karen Blake, she said, "Hey, can

you make me a flyer? Absolutely,
I love that. That's right. So

made made a flyer and ChatGPT.
ChatGPT helped, and I had to

yell at him and tell him you
need to change it. But started

that, helped her with that, and
so and it's stuff I love. So I'm

I'm into that, and then learning
from other people.

What's the Instagram handle?
Just that's the reason why I'm

not. I'm making yeah.

Hey, I could be real fancy. You
could scan my QR code.

Q sure.

Oh yeah, I'm. I've got one of

those too.

Oh, you do. We'll have

to do. Do you know it off the
top of your head? I want to put

you on the spot again.

Oh yeah, no, it's autism. It's
autism career training. It's

very hard.

Career

training. Yeah, I

always do like live viewings and
assessments.

Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the
episode,

autism career training. Hello,

that's right.

Profiles, right? There we go.

Our little purple and our golf
follow

button. Why not? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Trying to. Engage,
you know, get that out more with

Instagram and Facebook. Just
more engagement and posting more

regularly. And I mean, I didn't
go to school for that, so I

don't know. I'm just doing what
I think. We've got someone that

does work with us on putting out
that on social media, but I, I

don't know if I hijacked it, but
I wanted to do some more. I was

going to say,

you know, you should come by and
be a guest of mine at my BNI. We

have a nonprofit seat, but right
now, some our very great John

Myers is in the seat. He has a
nonprofit for Christian

approaches to pregnancy.

Okay,

and he was on the podcast about
a month or two ago, and it was

it was a good good good
conversation with him. But

either way, just to kind of get
and you know there could be a

chance for collaboration. You
never know. Oh

yeah.

But anytime you want to be a
guest of mine,

absolutely. Yeah.

Every Wednesday morning is when
we meet up at the Elks Lodge in

Franklin. Okay. But a good way
to spread the word.

Yeah, absolutely. And it's we we
originated in Brentwood, so I

think the name is a little more
out there than it is here in

Franklin.

Right.

And so getting it out there, and
it's like who you know and who

you know, and you know, hey,
send them to our Facebook, send

them to our Instagram, and this
is what we do because the

question's going to be, well,
what do you know? Or the

question is, what's out there
for adults with autism?

Yeah.

Hey, there's this place in
Franklin. You should call them

because there's a lot of
resources for kids with autism.

Yeah, putting

them in the right track.

Absolutely.

But once they get out of high
school, there's nothing.

That's it. Right. Yeah. And so
we don't compete with high

school. So we only take
individuals that our youngest

just turned 22.

Okay.

So once they graduate the t2
program in the in the schools,

they'll seek us out. We have one
that just started. They

graduated this past year and
needed somewhere to go,

something to do. And then, of
course, getting into like a

bigger conversation is the
funding. We are not expensive in

the vast array of like what it
could be, what it needs to be.

We can't be that because we
don't have anyone. So we

operate. We really, truly do
depend on donors and our

fundraisers that bring in money
so that we can give grant money

to to families to so they can
bring their kid. So some

individuals will come Monday
through Friday. Some only two

days because that's all they can
afford. Or you you know.

So it's like scholarship based
in a way. Yeah.

Okay. See the that's the thing.
That's a challenge about

especially around here. There's
so many nonprofits. Yeah. The

competitive landscape is so
wide, right, and deep to a

certain extent. A good buddy of
mine, he runs and he has an

autistic child as well. A
nonprofit called Stronger Than

My Father, and he basically
tries to mentor homeless or not

homeless, fatherless boys, and
you know be a strong male role

model in their life. He's a
great guy, but you know, I

constantly help him. Pretty much
every conversation is how do we

define? To me, like the the
sale, if you will, of getting a

donor to contribute. I said,
"You're selling. How does this

make me feel good that I feel
like I'm making a difference,

and if you can articulate what
their money does really well,

yeah,

then hey, yeah, you know, and
it's simple and it's easy to

understand,

and that's why I wanted to get a
hold of like I love take. I

that's I did that as a teacher,
took pictures and showed parents

like this is what we do with
with your child, this is what we

do. So, leaning on for autism, a
picture says 1000 words. So, the

more pictures and things that we
can show of what we do with

people, hopefully that'll
gravitate. But I know when I was

the director of a residential
school, they the families are

well off. Yeah, that's who came,
and so that's that's the common

theme among these programs.
There's their families that do

have money, that it's they can
afford it, and then we have

other families that can ish,
other families that have a hard

time, and so you just can't rely
on private pay people all the

time, and and those aren't just
the families that need services

or deserve services. Everyone
does. I've got a friend. She's

got a high schooler with autism,
and she she says, "Oh God, I

would never be able to afford
that.

Yeah,

and that's tough because they
they need they need the support

too.

What's the? I mean, what does it
run?

And the $2,000 range a month.

Yeah,

and that's low.

Yeah,

for the enrichment, right? Like
we we cook every day. Well,

where's that money come from?
That was my question when I got

there. Was like, who pays for
this? You know. So I we I do a

lot of flipping on Facebook.
Something we don't use, I flip

it. I take that money. We we go.
Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. We

don't. We have a chair I don't
want. I'm gonna sell it.

Right,

40 bucks. Let's go.

So people can. I mean, so that's
a way to donate. I mean,

yes, and I should say too, the
community is really helpful and

amazing. If me as a person, I
will reach out on Facebook for

an item. So like we're doing
this golf benefit. So I'm like

one golf club, and I want a
putting green because I want the

guys to practice. And so I'll
reach out and say, "Hey, I know

this is a hard, big ask, but
like, would you be open to

donating? Most of the people are
amazing. Some people are

hateful, but it's not hateful.

Really?

Like, yeah. Well, that's that's

par for the course these days,

right? Yeah. Yeah. So, but I get
donations and it's amazing, and

I thank them, and I like show
them I'm legit, and they're

like, "Ah, I trust you. I'm like
you're awesome.

Yeah.

So it's again, it's I mean the
community, right? Yeah. We it

takes a village. It takes a
community.

So the funny thing is, is the
you know you talk about the

hateful people. There's um you
know the the center entrance

between the schools over here.

Yeah.

There's a lane that you get in
the left that goes straight into

the high school, and the right
lane that's supposed to take you

to the middle school. The people
that get in the right lane and

go straight straight and cut
over, those are the hateful

people.

Just like on June Lake.

Yeah, those those are the those
are the miserable pricks out

there. Yeah,

I mean you got to inch get a
little bit farther.

Yeah,

yeah.

Weirdest. I dropped my my wife
and I dropped off our kids this

morning off at the high school,
and she's my wife's go. Look at

these assholes, you know, just
cutting the line and then coming

over. You drop your kid at the
high school and you go through

the parking lot, and then you
have to like come back out.

People don't let you out. Like
we're all actually, you know

what? The same place, guys.
Yeah, I mean, I found because my

wife, she says, she says, "I
don't we go. You're missing the

the entrance. I said, "This is
the longer entrance. I said, "If

we go into the front of the high
school, actually takes a lot

less time. Yes, but fine, we'll
do it your way. And that's what

we experienced this morning: a
lot of aggravation, hard

heartache, and you know,
frustration.

You got the kids driving over
there. Oh

my gosh! That

they, you know, they just the

e-bikes,

the

e-biker gangs.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah. I I can't talk. I I
ride an e bike, so it's great

for people like me at my age.

I mean,

18 miles, man, in one shot.

Shoot, get

your exercise. Heck yeah! I know
you

live all the way up this hill,

dude. I I I ride it to work.

Oh my god! To have

parking out there, sit in this
studio, all smelly and sweaty

and everything, and then I go
home. I take an extra 12 miles

to get home.

Wow!

I'll take it all the way out to
Autumn. Impressive. Okay, but

it's only because you know you
got the assistance. But it's not

that much of. I keep on
justifying it. You do get a

workout. I

would hope so. It's not just
like people make fun of me

because they think I'm

cheating.

Now, yeah, ah, just getting a
little prompt, getting a little

help. It's fine.

So, so with businesses that
you're partnering with, Waldo's,

anybody else that you're
partnering, you want to give a

little shout out?

Well, the Adventure Science
Center, we go on Wednesday once

a month, or is it once a month,
or twice a month, and you're

volunteering

out there too.

Yeah, we set up the kits for
like the little kids that come

in for the activities on
Wednesday. There is again, I'm

on the spot, being new. There's
a church that we do work with.

We do office clerical things, so
if they need mailers like sorted

and packaged, I'll give you a
shout out on Instagram when I

post the link to the podcast. So
those are the the three that we

have right now. I've reached out
to to Lowe's and Home Depot, but

they're more corporate. Like I
needed to find a place for my

couple of my students that like
food, and I need something

that's away from food. So I'm
like, hey, let's go to the

garden center. We can water,

right?

You know, so I'm like, ah, I
think I need to probably reach

out to like a riverbend named
Trump. My business

partner is very close with the
place in Columbia. That's whose

name escapes me right now. I
can't believe it. They're a

garden center.

Well, there's Beasley's, but
that's rocks.

No, I mean this is

down, down by the hospital.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what
place I'm talking

about? I do. I was. I was like,
man, is that too far to go?

Yeah. So I mean, I.

If we go to that venture
science, adventure science.

Well,

you're right. You're right. So
yeah. So finding places that are

open to that. Are

they donating as well
financially?

No.

They're just. They're just
offering themselves up. Yeah.

As a as a vocational
opportunity.

Gotcha.

I'm telling you that manager
Zach at let's shout out right to

Waldo's and Liberty. He's
amazing. He's so welcoming to

our kids, adults, our guys.
Yeah, and then they get they get

chicken for for for lunch
payment. That's that's a score.

There you go.

Right.

I mean that's. I'm almost
wondering. It's like you know,

and there's incentives for
businesses to hire, you know,

people with the spectrum and
stuff like that. Is that

something that?

Well, with me being so new to
it, I don't know all the hoops

and regulations. I I would
imagine there's some fine line

or what you have to think about
when you hire in someone. I'm

even I think when I'm. At
Waldo's, I'm like thinking about

like sanitation, like making
sure their hands are washed. If

someone scratches their face,
like we're not putting a liner,

like we try to, you know, where
they use hand sanitizer and

things. So there's got to be
regulations as to why you would

would or wouldn't hire someone,
and then having that trust in a

person to say, well, there's no
like aggressive behavior or no

wacky behaviors, and that's one
thing with our program right

now. I say right now, yet
because I'm used to aggressive

behaviors, but we can't support
it where we are.

Right,

we just can't. And they're
adults, and they're big, and

that hurts my heart because
that's most of my students in

the past. Like most of them
wouldn't be able to be in our

program.

Right, this is aggression.

but yeah. So I don't know.
That's why I'm excited about

this program to learn more and
grow it and get my hands on more

things to learn and push the
envelope and be like, "Hey, how

about this? What if we trialed
it? What if we, you know,

volunteered? Kind of thing. Even
like Publix is a great

organization for employing
people with disabilities, I

don't know if anyone previously
has reached out to them in our

company to say like, "Hey, how
could we do like a modified

version of this? Could we just
push do the carts? No one wants

to be out. We've got one guy. He
doesn't care if it's hot or not.

He loves work. He could go out
there and get all those carts,

bring them in, put them in nice
and neat order. Right? We've got

one guy. He he do the shelves,
you know. How could we do like a

modified?

Yeah,

push push the envelope. That's
what Tazikis

comes to mind.

So we have worked with Tuzikis
in the past. I know that to what

full capacity. I don't know, but
I know that is a name that is

often spoken about when we talk.
So yeah, I'm just, and I'm also

on the other side of the
vocational piece is the

experience piece. So, like, I
emailed Feigning Goat. I want to

take them up to this like
Mexican popsicle place over

here, over by Donatoro's. Like,
I want them to have different

experiences going into a
popsicle place, a Mexican,

especially Mexican popsicle
place. They probably never ever.

What is this with all these
different flavors? And it'd be

really cool going to the coffee
shop and how to order. So we

talked. I talked with them an
email about like a modified

menu, just so we could they
could pick which ones that you

know they would order. What

about even like the local
churches helping out on you know

service days and things yeah

yeah and then also like on days
when it's really hot like our

guys like to move and so finding
opportunity where we could go

into like an open space and walk
so like the rec center we've

taken them to the factory to
walk around so it's it's really

I just see this for me as an
opportunity of if if we want it.

It's like field of dreams. If if
you want it, like build it,

they'll come. Yeah, you know,
ask. We can do it. The

possibilities are endless. It's
amazing.

Identifying what it is that you
need is a challenge. Yeah, you

know, and having a vision for
where you want to go and what

the mile markers look like to
get to that goal is, you know,

especially at this stage in the
game of you being there, it's

tough to. You're still getting a
lay of the land. Yeah. You know,

so it's almost like in a year
from now we should have you

back. And oh, how's it going?
Absolutely.

Where? How far we've come. Yeah.
And I think for me, being like,

you know, new a novice is just
the community connection, the

connections that I can continue
to make. I made I've made

connections in every company
I've worked in, and how can I

continue? You know,

here's a plan. I mean, everybody
hears me talk about BNI on this

podcast, Business Networking
International, okay, and

especially you with you, you
know, you're you're you're

getting into the business space
for for sure, and now it's like

you've kind of been on the on
the outer fringes of it, you

know, in the public school
sector. But now it's like, well,

now we got to make sure we're
funded, make sure we're making

those relationships and engaging
with the community more. This is

a good plan. At least start with
ours. We meet every Wednesday in

Franklin at the Elks Lodge, it's
the Williamson County chapter.

We've got about 65 members, and
you'll be able to get up in

front of all of them and guests,
and you have about 3030-ish

seconds to to talk about what
I'm looking for. And in this

case, hey, I'm just looking to
make relationships for people

who want to give some
volunteering opportunities to my

guys to help them build out some
life skills and make and enrich

their lives, and that's that's
pretty much all you say. And

then you you show up early, you
mingle and network with some of

the business owners in there. I
mean, you got one of the higher

ups in there from Churchill
Mortgage. You've got Melanie

Colbreth is with Mary Kay. A lot
of people who've been there a

long time that are deeply rooted
in the business community. Okay,

but then do the same thing.
There's like 35 chapters of BNI.

Okay,

around you know Middle
Tennessee. So I mean, you could

keep yourself busy.

Yeah, thank you. Make sure you
got a you

know a little card that you hand
out.

Yeah,

if there's an option.
Opportunity that we could have

to bring our guys in and you
know volunteer in your business

if you find something that you
need to be done, let us know.

Yeah, hey, we could bring some
guys and do a little podcast.

There you go.

We got honestly talkers.

Get some talkers that oh yeah,
some talkers. Yeah,

yeah. He he'd be looking to see
you know the light bulbs. It's

just when the light bulbs are
out. Yeah, I mean, again, think

it. Let's

do

it. Yeah, I love that. Thank you
for that opportunity. Of course,

definitely will take advantage.
And yeah, because you know, I'm

the I'm the teacher brain. I'm
having to shift that now, so

I've got a lot to grow in that
area. So I would take on some

insight and tips and tricks for
sure. Is

it a bigger challenge to prepare
autistic adults for the

workplace, or the opposite,
preparing the workplace for

autistic adults? That's

a great question. Wow, let's
talk in a year too soon. That's

a great. I just don't even know
if I can put a number on it. I

think it's equal. That's
amazing. You know, I mean,

autism is just is autism. It's
going to be the same, right? So

it's teaching other people how
to adapt is probably more of,

and that's really what we want
for the community is to adapt

more.

What do you? Yeah, I mean, what
is it like when people who

aren't used to coming and and
being around autistic people. It

can be very, you know,
off-putting. Yeah, it could be

intrusive. It could be awkward,
uncomfortable. Is that typical

of human nature?

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah. I

mean, it was my first experience
ever. That's why I bring my

children around it. My my
16-year-old son, he worked the

whole month of July with them,
and at first he's like, "I

don't. When they were little,
they he didn't know any

different, and so it is awkward.
I said, "You could, Bennett, you

can ask me any questions. I
mean, he was pretty real about

some stuff, and I'd be like,
"Dude, you can't think like

that. You have to, you know. But
they're they're human. Just

connect with them on a human
level. I mean, even me. I mean,

I just think autism. Some
parents probably would be off

put on the. I just think it's
awesome. Like some parents are

be like, it's not, and I get
that. But I love working with

it. But they're they're just
they're they're people and

they're fun, and I love. And
that's the thing I'm really good

at is connecting with them, and
then I connect with their

parents. But connecting with
them on a deeper level, like let

me tell you a short story. One
of my, they're all my favorite,

right? But this one particular
individual, the first day I was

like, ooh, he was a little like,
ooh, what could he do if he got

angry? And I'd ask questions
like, hey, does he get on the

golf cart? And they're like, No,
no, he's never got on the golf

cart. I'm like, Oh, he's gonna
get on the golf cart. We're

gonna do

it. Got

him on the golf cart. It's the
best time of his life. He's

there, like yelling. He's
nonverbal and he's hollering and

loving life. But go on. You want
to get mad? Okay. What do you

want? So I just approached him
as a human, like, no, let's do

it. We're gonna do it. And I
approached him how he wanted. He

did not like it with other
people. He likes to be solo solo

rider. He gets on the golf cart
every day after lunch.

What does he? I mean, is it a
problem? Because a friend of

mine who I was in radio with,
her kids are autistic, and their

old their son is like they've
had a whole like he used to get

frustrated because he couldn't
communicate, couldn't express

himself. So they finally found a
way for him to do that, and the

brilliance that's coming out of
this kid, and they're both

adults. It's it's amazing, and
he just needed to find. Okay,

let's find the one thing that
you need to communicate.

Yes,

and that's what it made him less
frustrated, and he was able to

talk.

Absolutely,

is that a large, like a common
thing?

Absolutely,

really.

Even when I came in day one, I'm
like, "How does he communicate?

How does she communicate? So

really, oh wow, okay, is that
where a lot of the frustration

and anxiety kind of is? I mean,
think about it.

Like, have you ever been to
another country and you don't

speak their language? You

can't. You can't. It's

like the longest I was in Mexico
was two weeks, and by end of the

first week, I was like, couldn't
handle it. Had like was like it

was a lot. People don't know who
I am really as a person because

I can't talk to you. I can't get
my emotions out. I can't get

what my needs out if I'm not
speaking your language, and

that's exactly like what it is
for them. So we figure it out.

We got one individual. He loves
tools all the time. So he, I

come in with all my bags, and
he's like looking around. I'm

like, "Are you trying to see if
I got a tool in here? Do I bring

something new today? What are we
doing? And he he can't talk. I'm

like, "Use your device. Tell me
what you want. Like drill, drill

blower. He likes the the leaf
blower. I bring it from home

because we don't have one. So I,
that's plug. Battery operated

leaf blower, and he loves it.
And he's always looking in my

bag to see if I have the battery
because I take it home and

charge it. Oh,

another business that you might
be able to want to connect with

is Macklemore Auctions. They
come across that stuff all the

time. Tools and garden
equipment. I'm gonna

have to watch this episode back
and take yes because I'm like

we'll

off we'll pack we'll

unpack all this. I can't think
today. I've been coughing all

weekend. I'm looking at the
camera, addressing the audience.

See, and imagine if you had a
cold and you couldn't talk, you

couldn't tell someone.

I I did have like the really
baritone Barry White going last

week. Rosie, nice. I know you
did. It was awesome. I need to

do more voiceover now.

Yeah.

What What kind of talents do you
typically see in the in your

guys that employers typically
overlook?

Oh, or is that too new? No, it's
not too new. It's just well, I

guess it in the sense it's new
for me in the employment area.

Yeah. Um, I mean, they probably
would overlook like the

preciseness, like even
organization. Yeah, just even

this guy yesterday. We dry the
dry the baskets. They put the

liner in. I mean, his precision,
and then I have another

individual who did it too. Their
stacks look totally different,

and I was laughing. I was like,
"You can tell this one's a

little more affected by autism
than the other because look at

the precision. Like,

what if you go up to the guy
who's really precise and you

just kind of take it and move
it?

He'd probably make some noise or
drives him nuts. He'd probably

like, but I used to do that to
students. I did because you have

to learn how to be flexible.

Yeah,

that's that's why I think it's
fun. Yeah, you gotta have fun

with what you do.

Well, yeah, a lot of parents
typically find out at what age.

Oh wow,

that their kids are on young,
young,

18 months.

What do they need to know? Like
you know, going into it, of

course, they're probably going
to get a diagnosis from a

physician or something like
that. Maybe they're handed a

pamphlet. You know, here's what
to do next. Somebody's listening

to this. Well, I'm you know at
the beginning stages of this

life changing situation. What do
I what what what am I getting

into?

I mean, it probably sounds
cheesy, but like you're not

alone. There's so many people
out there that are going through

the same thing. You just have to
ask. Get on Facebook. Get a part

of like any group. Just ask
questions. Just start asking

because it's not like a shied
away thing anymore. It's it's

it's out there. Many people know
about it, so to not be so

nervous about it. But I also
feel like for some parents, it's

got to be crushing initially
because you don't know like the

the trajectory of what's
happening or how severely

impacted they are. And so I
imagine any parent who finds a

diagnosis at any point in their
child's age that they have a

disability is is really tough,
but their autism can be very

hard, but it can be really
awesome,

right?

But you have a good mindset
about it, yeah, yeah. Your your

lives are are forever changed in
good and in difficult ways. What

about athletics,

sports organizations?

Is oh, that we work with

anything that you work with, but
I mean, are a lot of autistic

kids are they you know does that
help with playing a sport?

Um, they don't leisure well.
Okay, so and like effort, we

don't we don't like to put
effort into things. So that's

like half the world. Um, I mean,
we we have partnerships with the

Preds and the Titans, and just
recently with the Sounds. So

with like fundraising
opportunities and grant funding,

so that's really awesome.
Working actually, we're gonna

take a group to volunteer at a
Titans game end of August

preseason

preseason

yeah

a Bears game. I really prefer. I
tried to go to the Steeler game.

Of course, we'll volunteer at
the Steeler game. It's

absolutely fine.

You don't want to go to the
Bears game?

No.

Well,

I mean,

you lost your coach, man. I
mean, you know. No,

no, no. But listen, are we going
there?

Where's he now?

McCarthy. We Mike McCarthy.

That's right. He came from the
Cowboys. So, but but the the the

guy previous Tomlin

Tomlin, I think is going into
like

Ravens. No,

stop it.

Wasn't he going? I can't
remember. I honestly can't

remember.

I just got goosebumps. That is a
team. I just got goosebumps.

Why'd you get goosebumps?

Because the Ravens? No, no, no,
no. Though

Tomlin's been there for like 20
years,

forever. Yeah, yeah.

Because there was only that was
the thing is that like there's

only been three head coaches for
the Steelers, and then all of a

sudden it's like they they
booted the guy.

Well, I mean, what the crap? We
needed we needed we needed new

blood. We needed to move on.
Really,

he was he was a good coach. How
many

Super Bowls did he get us? He's
never had a losing season, okay,

but the season always ended. He
got you a Super

Bowl, I want to say, in like
22,009, right?

Not enough, and not. Oh my gosh!
Not

enough. How many teams go like
the entire time without getting?

I used to

listen. I know there's a lot.
Like the Ravens, you were

getting worked up. There's going
to be lots of coughing. No, no.

I mean, I don't like being toe
and toe with the Patriots. I

don't like that. Anyway,
Patriots are a

very hated team because of
Brady. Yeah,

we're done with him.

And now you know it's funny
because you had what's his name?

Our old coach for the Titans.
No, he's at the Patriots. Not

Fisher. Mike.

Oh, I don't know. I don't know
Titans trivia. Well, no, I'm

trying to think

what those name was. I can't.
Tanner

Hill. No, that's not right. No,

no, he was the quarterback.

Yeah.

Anyway, the guy who was our
coach for the Titans, who got us

into the playoffs and close to a
Super Bowl that the idiots that

own that team freaking booted
him a year later, and then

Tayton the the Patriots picked
him up and they brought him to

the freaking game, and it's like
man, we were it's like I've

never been a big Pats fan,

yeah, but

I was actually rooting for them,
you know, because it's like the

Seahawks again. Okay, like
what's the most unsexy team is

the Seahawks, you know?

Listen, the the Steelers have so
much history.

Yeah,

history and sort

of the Giants. I mean, you're
such a homer. I

am. I can't. I bleed black and
gold live or die. It's a it's a

thing, but and I usually like in
the school system. I'll meet.

That's how I connect with kids.
I'll be like, "Who's your team?

Oh, now you really need to meet
the guy from Stronger Than My

Father, Marcus Minis.

Yeah,

he's a Steelers.

Okay, let's go. We can do that.

Yeah,

I love that.

We had Chris Hope in here at one
point.

Okay,

remember Chris Hope?

Yes.

Yeah.

Listen, line them up. Let's go.
We'll banter, and it'll be

great. I get fired up just about
autism, as I do with the

Steelers. Steeler,

but could you talk football in
general?

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah. I mean, I don't know. Are
you gonna put me on the spot?

Well, I mean, it's one of those
things I've been thinking about

with my business partner is
maybe starting a football

podcast, but getting a female

oh

no counter. Yeah, I couldn't.
I'm not that good.

I don't. I'm not that good. I'm

not that good. I can't

remember the guy's name.

Yeah, I mean that happens. We
have too much in our heads.

Yeah,

and we're getting old.

Vrabel, Mike Vrabel. Vrabel.
There you go.

Yeah, not an

easy name to remember.

No, but I'm look. I'm ready for
new. I'm good. Our rookie

quarterback looks good.

You know,

it's weird having.

I think Titans will have a good
year.

I mean, I want them to have a
good year. I don't mind. I like

going to the games. I wear my
Steeler shirt underneath. I

always have like Steeler
representation if I go to

double. Even

if they're not playing.

Yeah, absolutely. My signs.
What's the next game they

play? The the Seahawks are
coming out here. Is that the

preseason?

Yeah,

I mean we're out. That's this

weekend. I want to say.

Listen, I could do another
shoutout for anyone who gives me

tickets to Steeler game. I could
talk. I'll I'll do. I don't

know. Can we we offer a free
week, free month, free Steeler

ticket? I'm so excited we're in
town. Okay, we're getting off

track, but yes. So we're gonna
volunteer for the Titans. We're

gonna stuff the cups with little
flyers for their fundraiser. So

I like that partnership, like
partnering with other community

people. Like I help you, you
help me. You talk about me, I

talk about you. Right. Yeah. No
one needs to talk about like the

big dogs all the time, but yeah.
So

you need to let's make sure
you're signed up for BNI. If not

tomorrow next

week, yeah, absolutely. So I
don't think I got anything in

the morning except seven

1509.

Okay, I mean that's just doable.
Yeah. All right. So you know

you got to get up early. That's
all.

Hey, that's

I'm. I'm usually there about
quarter to seven because I'm

part of the AV club.

Okay.

Go figure. We run all the music
and sound effects.

That's awesome. Yeah. I bet you
have a lot of them. Quite one of

these. Wow! Wow! Wow! Like the
little buzzer noises.

How do people find and follow
you and support you what you're

doing?

I mean, you can Google today on
your phone: autism career

training, autism Franklin
adults, and that's that's going

to pull up. Yeah,
autismcareertraining.org.org.

Yep.

There you go. I

imagine when we do shift our
name, we'll still have that

connected. That's you know, so
that doesn't get all you know

lose what kind of like

the Autism Foundation of
Tennessee was called before?

Yeah,

what what was wrong with that?

Well,

it it

just shifted. It was it needed.
I mean, Karen would have a

stronger story behind that, but
at one point when I was first

working with them, they went to
Autism ETC Education and

Training Center or Education and
Therapy Center. I'm sorry. So

they just needed a name that
identified what they did because

it wasn't really just a
foundation, you know. So it's we

had programs running. So what
the power is in your name? Like

what do you

do? Right.

So. Yeah.

Well, there you go.

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