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The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry takes you inside the reality of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) through the lens of football and rodeo. With firsthand experience in two of the most punishing sports, Paul and Corey share their stories, the lasting effects of head trauma, and the fight for awareness and support.
This is the HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry.
Corey Berry:Welcome to the HeadRush Podcast. I'm Corey Berry, and I rode professional rodeo for nine years as a bareback bronc rider. My cohost is Paul Frase who played eleven years in the NFL and got to compete in one Super Bowl and actually beat my 40 niners to go to the Super Bowl.
Paul Frase:For the NFC championship. Thank you for not mentioning the fact that we lost the Super Bowl. So I did bring that up. Thank you.
Dr. Mark Gordon:That's alright. He brings it up every time.
Corey Berry:At the HeadRush Podcast, we talk about everything related to brain trauma and brain health and wellness. We talk about traumatic brain injury, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, and traumatic encephalopathy syndrome, and repeated head impacts and repeated blast exposure. We cover how traumatic brain injuries can and will cause mental health issues such as depression, addiction, lack of executive function, memory loss, even suicide ideation as well as degenerative neurological issues. These symptoms can be found on the Mayo Clinic and Boston University Web sites under symptoms of CTE. Our mantra is how to cope and find hope.
Corey Berry:We focus our energy on finding therapies and sharing hope through education and awareness.
Paul Frase:Our first guest shared this hope with me unknowingly probably three years ago. So Doctor. Mark L. Gordon is the founder and medical director of the Millennium Health Centers. And Doctor.
Paul Frase:Gordon, and I'm going to start calling him Mark because he's going to force me to, he has completed extensive research in the area of TBI and PTSD, through which he has developed a successful treatment protocol that has been used with thousands, thousands of veterans and civilians alike. And we were first introduced to I was first introduced to Mark through the silver screen, I guess you would say, the movie Quiet Explosions. And Corey and I have actually have inflammation, inflammation, inflammation drilled into us. By Doctor. Mark Gordon.
Paul Frase:By Doctor. Mark Gordon. And we'll get into that. Mark actually spoke at an AMMG conference down in Doral two and a half three years ago, and I kind of stalked him. I drove down the four and a half hours and made sure I got to meet my hero on Quiet Explosions.
Paul Frase:Well, Andrew Marr is my
Corey Berry:I was going to say, Andrew Marr is my hero.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Andrew Marr,
Paul Frase:Yeah. He was a special forces gentleman that was featured in Quiet Explosions, and I believe at the time that you met him, Mark, he was on seven or eight or nine pharmaceuticals. 13. 13. And his goal was to get off the whiskey, get off the pharmaceuticals, and bring normalcy back to his family and his life.
Paul Frase:Actually Right. Yeah. Actually, that journey has saved his life, and what a dynamic individual.
Corey Berry:So And if you want, you can go back in our podcast and look with the interview we had with Andrew Marr.
Paul Frase:Yes. Yep. We've had Andrew Marr, and and and Mark is actually our our regular. He's kind of our house house physician. So, Mark's second book was released in 2015 titled Traumatic A Clinical Approach to Diagnosis and Treatment.
Paul Frase:And Doctor. Gordon is a frequent guest on the Joe Rogan Experience to discuss traumatic brain injury among other topics. Doctor. Gordon has just released his third book, Peptides, and I only have the e version.
Corey Berry:Put that up on the website, please, Yeah.
Paul Frase:If we already have it on Optimizing Human Potential and Recovery with peptides. So welcome back, Mark. Thank you for joining us. Corey?
Dr. Mark Gordon:Thank you for having me again.
Corey Berry:Man, our second guest, I am absolutely thrilled, ecstatic. People, everybody knows how I feel about our veterans and our military personnel. We've had green berets on. We've had things. But this man has ranked up so many things that I even contacted my brother about him who was a ranger back in the eighties because, man, you wanna talk about a record.
Corey Berry:Ladies and gentlemen, I wanna welcome you to the HeadRush Podcast to colonel Martin Jeremy Bowling who was commissioned into The United States Army in 1999. Over the course of his career, he has served at all levels within the Department of Defense including commands and deployments across the Balkans, Europe, Africa, Middle East with the third Infantry Division, eighty second Airborne Division, one hundred and first Airborne Division, United States Africa Command and the US Department of State. In 2007, colonel Bowling was selected as a joint chief of staff and secretary of defense intern. He holds a bachelor's degree from Auburn University and a master's of policy management from Georgetown University McCourt School of Public Policy. He is a graduate of the United States Airborne, Ranger, Jumpmaster, Pathfinder, Air Assault.
Corey Berry:Now Jeremy brings unmatched expertise leading complex teams and large organizations in multinational settings. Jeremy is also the co founder of the Longest Climb Foundation. And their mission is the Longest Climb Foundation helps American veterans find peace, healing, and reconciliation by returning to the battlefields of their service. Standing alongside former adversaries, reclaiming honor, correcting service records, and coming home whole once and for all. He is married to the former Carrie Crawford of Hopewell, Virginia and they have two sons, Ethan and Jack, plus he is also president of IMAX Jeans
Paul Frase:I express.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I express.
Corey Berry:Genes that we will be getting into here shortly. So I wanna welcome you, colonel. And, man, my hat's off to you. Thank you for the service. I appreciate it, and thank you.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Thanks, Corey.
Paul Frase:Welcome, you two. We're we're I've gotta answer questions really quick for the listeners. They're gonna say why does the HeadRush Podcast have two mega dynamic guests on? And they deserve their own podcast, obviously. Well, again, we Corey just mentioned about Colonel Bowling is also the president of president of iXpress Genes.
Paul Frase:They deliver molecular level inflammation and metabolic intelligence so professionals can explain why progress stalls, validate what's working, and personalize what comes next with objective data that clients trust. So it sounds like personalized medicine at its best. And Mark and Jeremy have and I apologize. Colonel Bowling have developed a strategic partnership of sorts, it all continues to be about the well-being and restoration of the suffering. Mark, can you please just tell us about this new powerful alliance and your friendship?
Dr. Mark Gordon:Well, I think you probably should talk with the colonel to let us know what it is, why he went into I Express genes, just so that I can have a new tool that any physician who deals with any form of neuroinflammation, neurotrauma, neuroinflammation, has a new tool that allows us to not only define objectively and not the psychiatrist say, well, I think they have depression, but to be able to look at markers, biomarkers, which categorically are related to changes in the biochemistry of the brain that I have for thirty years addressed. But I never had this tool. I never had this objective direct marker system in order for me to identify those inflammatory chemicals that I talk about all the time, the pro inflammatory cytokines that are responsible for altering the chemistry of the brain to allow for depression, anxiety, bipolar disease, and cognitive impairment, and just being other than a great person. So now it gives me a tool that I can give to our clients, our patients, before we start treatment. And then after treatment or after a period of treatment of, say, three months, as we already did in the study we did, looking at the secondary measurement, and they're all lower.
Dr. Mark Gordon:So what does that tell us? It tells us that our treatment truly works. Here is an objective, definitive means of identifying that a treatment modality works. But you first have to see the inflammatory markers. So this is what brought me through a set of circumstances, me to iXpress Genes and met with their CEO and cofounder, John Schmidt, and developed an understanding of their technology.
Dr. Mark Gordon:It took me a little bit while to get it because I always look from the grass up, so I had to go through the weeds or the weeds and look at everything. And I was set. And what really made it happen is I took a group of Navy SEALs and put them on this test and then did our testing, our endocrine neuroendocrine disruption test, put them on the treatment dictated by the twenty eight point biomarker panel, and three months later, repeated the iXpress gene panel. And sure enough, every almost every single one of the markers that was inflamed. And then we monitor every patient, as you guys know, with the monthly program questionnaire, the MPQ, and what happened?
Dr. Mark Gordon:Every month, they were getting better. That's a reflection of the products. Now I had a tool that I can objectively say to anybody who challenges me, Here's where they were at the beginning. They were put on this set of treatment, and here they are now.
Paul Frase:That's one thing that I suppose we struggle with, or you, doctors, struggle with in, I guess you would call it functional medicine is, you know, that's anecdotal. Well, no, no. Right. Colonel Bohling, tell us about that panel biomarkers that I express with you know, that got Doctor. Gordon so excited about having that tool.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Yeah. I mean, I couldn't have said it much better, frankly, and, you know, that's why he's such an ideal strategic partner. If I could just back up one tiny step or maybe one large step, the history of this company, I think, is really relevant to appreciating where they are, today. So the origin of this company actually starts back in 2010 with the unfortunate, school shooting at the University of Alabama, Huntsville. One of the survivors who was a PhD professor who was in the room, of course, that's an incredibly traumatic experience, Fortunately, survived.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Many didn't. There were many who were gravely wounded. But one of the survivors started experiencing changes, to his cognitive behavior, to loss of appetite, inability to focus, all the normal things that we we think of when we think of the results of trauma. And he was searching for solutions to figure out what's going on within his body, and there really weren't a lot of solutions in 2,010, least detailed solutions. And because he's a research scientist, he essentially said, well, I I'm gonna solve this problem, and he did.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And for the better part of a decade, working under the umbrella sort of the Human Genome Project because there's a a close relationship there, he isolated these biomarkers and essentially created this blood panel that does exactly, what Mark just described. And the key to understanding because it it is complex science. It's very complex science. What I've learned to say over the years to for people to to sort of get it, and I'm in that category. Remember, I used to jump out of airplanes for a living.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:I'm not I'm not a scientist, is is the keyword is objective. Prior to a blood panel like this existing, a clinician's ability to make these sorts of diagnoses were essentially subjective. I'm a prime example. As I was leaving the army, of course, you go through a litany and a battery of many, many tests. And as they should be, many are based off behavioral health and those sorts of things.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And they would ask me all kinds of questions. You know, colonel Bowling, you've been to combat this many times. Do you feel these things? Are you having these issues? And, of course, like, probably ninety nine percent of army guys who are a type personalities are like, I'm good.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Leave me alone. Just get me out of here. And so the clinician says, well, subjectively, this guy seems fine. Clean bill of health. Get him out of here.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:When in reality, probably a lot of people aren't fine. Well, now I can remove that variable from that equation, and now I can inject objectivity, and I can measure objectively the levels of inflammation that are directly correlated with these things, like Mark said, and that's a game changer. And the last thing that I'll say because this is where, I think really people tend to get lost, think of it like a thermometer. That's how I describe it. If you have a fever, you use a thermometer to confirm that you have a fever, and the thermometer says you do in fact have a fever.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:But the thermometer doesn't tell you do these things to solve the problem with your fever in your body, but you know I've got a problem. This this tool had just measured that I've got a problem. Now I've got to go speak with a clinician or a provider like Mark Gordon to find out what is that problem that needs to be addressed and how do I address it so that the next time I use that thermometer, it reports 98.6. That's what this tool is, and it's looking at a specific set of biomarkers that are directly correlated to the inflammation going on in your body that's related to so many things, so many things. I believe it was last year the World Health Organization, don't quote me on this, but said upwards of sixty percent of death globally can be directly correlated to untreated inflammation in the human body.
Dr. Mark Gordon:This
Col. Martin J. Bowling:tool now gives providers an opportunity to intervene, make decisions, provide treatment to solve, frankly, many, if not eventually all of those things.
Paul Frase:If you've been told it's all in your head, but deep down you know something is wrong, listen closely. Brain fog, depression, anxiety, irritability, even PTSD, these are not just mental issues. They may be signals of neuroinflammation and hormonal disruption, root causes that traditional medicine often ignores. At the Millennium Health Centers founded by Doctor. Mark Gordon, they have helped veterans, athletes, and everyday people restore brain function using a medical process called the Millennium Protocol.
Paul Frase:Take their free brain health assessment at tbihelpnow.org and discover if inflammation, not weakness, is holding you back. You're not broken, You're unbalanced, and balance can be restored.
Corey Berry:Mark, is this going to become part of the Millennium Protocol with all of the doctors, or is this something you're just working with now?
Dr. Mark Gordon:I'm going to give you a guess. Yeah. Three letters. Starts with a y, ends with an s. Okay?
Dr. Mark Gordon:So, absolutely. I mean, as we both shared, this is an objective test. Okay? One of the areas or one of the things I'm doing right now working with one of their top, clinical scientists, or, I guess, scientist, Joe. Joe's in, yeah.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Joe no. Engie? Joe Engie. Engie. Joe Inge.
Dr. Mark Gordon:He and I are working, together, with, a neurodegenerative panel, which will look at, things like CTE. CTE. People say, okay, you got CTE. Prove it. Well, they do the MRIs.
Dr. Mark Gordon:They do the special tau protein, and they see the tau tangles and so forth, the NFTs, but that doesn't tell us about the inflammation. And it doesn't tell us how effective the treatment they're giving is on that process. Multiple sclerosis. We had you know about one of our case of multiple sclerosis. A navy lieutenant in charge of nuclear power plant, Tim.
Dr. Mark Gordon:In fourteen weeks on our protocol, he no longer has any symptoms of multiple sclerosis. He was 100 in remission November 2023, and he still is, because we're able to address the neuroinflammation that's associated with ALS, with MS, with Parkinson's, with CTE, with Alzheimer's disease, with dementia diseases, whether or not you're going to call it part of the spectrum of Alzheimer's or Alzheimer's is a part of the spectrum of depression, of dementia. And then all the neuropsychiatric conditions that I refer to in the papers. We have a new one being published in Military Medicine, which is The Road to Neuropsychiatric Illnesses that walks you through how whatever the trauma is: parachuting, bungee jumping, trampoline, football that this causes the inciting of inflammation. But no one's doing any testing for There is not a single neuroradiographic protocol that's commonly used, PET scans, PET scans, MRIs, CT scan, can look and say, ah, there's inflammation.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Yeah. This is a test that puts our treatment on a brand new step which allows us to confirm that there is inflammation, and then confirm in the secondary test that whatever you're doing is working. I think They're gonna find out that stuff they're using is doing zero because it doesn't address anything. There are rarely I mean, I I looked through as much as I could about SSRIs, antidepressants. There are a couple of them that can reduce inflammation, but they don't do it as well as some of our nutraceutical products like quercetin, gamma tocopherol, natural products that just wipes out the production of inflammation.
Dr. Mark Gordon:And we proved it. I mean, you guys had to prove that it worked by seeing the results of the secondary or the series of iXpress gene testing, and it does.
Paul Frase:Well, that my you kind of already covered it, but my question, you know, to Colonel Bowling, so when you go visit with somebody like Doctor. Mark L. Gordon and you need to tell him what this is going to do for his practice, is it a time? Is it a time savings? Is it money savings?
Paul Frase:It gives Mark the ability to really pinpoint before he you know, he probably knows what he's going to see before he takes his blood tests for the hormonal imbalances.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Well, let me answer that question this way, and I suspect you guys will not be surprised by this. Doctor. Gordon is an anomaly, and I mean that as an absolute compliment. He's he's not the norm, and I suspect he already knows that. My point is I get a lot of pushback.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:I know look. I see him try to talk. I get a lot of pushback when we talk to physicians. First off, they're they're busy. They're they're overworked in many cases.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Their patient loads are massive. And but we've gotten a lot of responses where physicians, unfortunately, like, hey. I I don't have time for this. I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't taught this in med school.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Come back to me a few years from now when more people are using this. And I and I get it. I mean, yes, those are are frustrating sorts of responses when we get that, and and they're very common. But when we we come across someone like doctor Gordon who just gets it, it's a breath of fresh air because none of this is is hokum. None of this is snake oil.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:All of this is, by the way, peer reviewed science that's been around for many, many years and and with very large case studies, frankly, many done, through the Veterans Administration. It's just getting someone to stop for one second and be willing to listen to what we're say what we're saying, it's a game changer. And really, as much as I hate to use the term, the selling point is is twofold. It it improves outcomes. And when you improve outcomes when you're in the medical business, you're still running a business, don't forget.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:So if your clinic is improving patient outcomes, I think ultimately that drives revenue back towards your clinic because as a patient, I'm much more inclined to visit a clinic that is achieving positive outcomes for their patients. So there are really benefits on both sides of that coin, for the overworked physicians. Our job at iXpressGenes is regardless of how many times we get told some version of the word no or no thanks or not right now, okay. Take it. And we go to the next guy or the next gal or the next clinic or the next hospital.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And the more that individuals like Mark Gordon talk about it out loud in podcasts like the HeadRush Podcast, the more people are starting to realize this is a very real, very real thing. I have to say this. We have one client who great lady, similar in age to to myself. A couple years ago, I think it's four or five years ago, she found herself two hundred pounds overweight, with seven autoimmune diseases, has visited every clinic within a 100 mile radius of our hometown, had seen physicians, had been prescribed medicine after medicine after medicine, and everything just got worse for her. She took it upon herself to start studying inflammation because she said all of this other stuff just isn't working.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:She took it upon herself to start studying inflammation, and over the course of four years, she dropped 200 pounds and cured herself of seven autoimmune diseases. I encountered her about six months ago, and I think she was on the verge of tears. She said, I've been waiting for something like this to come along just so I can prove that I'm not crazy, so I can prove that what I did is actually what solved these problems. There are powerful testimonials out there all over the place. Mark talked about a lot of them.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:This is real. Our job now is to get this product to the people who need it most.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Right. And you know, you said I'm anomaly. Okay. I've been told that. The real issue is I don't talk to physicians, generally speaking.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Talk to the people who have the The potential of being impacted the consumer, the patients out there that are going from doctor to doctor to doctor because, honestly speaking, in my forty six years of practicing medicine, you know, I just turned 73, is that a lot of them don't have the patience to learn the information, so it means that it has to be brought to them by a third party. You being, and I apologize, you being a sales representative for your company or anybody in your company who's trying to promote the product is a sales representative, that's not gonna impact as much as having a patient go into them and say, doc, you've been working on my case for x amount of time, and I'm not any better. I heard about this thing for neuroinflammation, for neurodegeneration. Why don't we run that? Well, no.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I don't know anything about it. Here, read.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:That's it.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Or else I'll send them your name so you can go and be the first Don't you wanna be a hero? This is what I tell some of the docs that I talk with. I said, don't you wanna be a hero to your patient population? Take the extra three hours to learn this, or there'll be a video that'll walk you through it. Or, you know, Gordon will have a paper pretty soon on the iXpress gene and my experience in a couple of
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And to that note, Mark, because I first off, you're 100% correct, and we're starting to see that now. And, obviously, that's a great problem for us.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I already told you that.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:My my my observation and my personal opinion is that the The US sort of society writ large is actually in a position right now. They're they are hungry for these sorts of answers, these solutions to problem. And I think a lot of that, you know, strangely is tied to COVID. Regardless of where you fall on on the whole COVID thing, it is very clear that what has now happened post in the post COVID era is a large subsection of society has sort of woken up, they're saying, you know what? I'm actually gonna take some responsibility on my own to find solutions for my health.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And that's a beautiful thing. You know, whether you wanna call it the MAHA movement or you support the things that RFK Jr. Is doing and Kacine Calley means, The the good news of all of that is that the the regular person is awake and asking questions and taking an active involvement in their own health, and that's what opens the doors for the conversations like Mark just described. And it's a great thing.
Corey Berry:Millions live with depression, anxiety, fatigue, or emotional chaos believing it's permanent. It's not. The Millennium Protocol targets hidden inflammation and hormone disruption caused by trauma, stress, and time. Created by doctor Mark Gordon, featured multiple times on Joe Rogan and the HeadRush Podcast, plus the documentary movie Quiet Explosions, this approach has transformed lives once written off as hopeless. Visit tbihealthnow.org and take the 10 question brain health assessment.
Corey Berry:Healing is possible. Your story isn't over. Let's begin again with your brain. Well, I'll tell you what, A friend of ours and a friend of the podcast, Bruce Parkman, is he was a Green Beret as you both know. And he went to the VA and they said, yeah, they now accept repeated blast exposure as a diagnosis.
Corey Berry:But you know what they give you? Drugs, drugs, drugs, and maybe yoga. Yeah. And more drugs. With what happened
Paul Frase:Yoga's probably better than the drugs.
Corey Berry:Right. And now what happened the other day with Kennedy on Joe Rogan. Yeah.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Yep.
Corey Berry:Man, hopefully, things will change. But to your aspect, you're a 100% correct, colonel, is I had I'm clinically diagnosed traumatic encephalopathy syndrome, probable CTE. Clinically diagnosed. They put me on sleepy pills. They put me on pills, pills, pills, pills.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Symptom treatment. And
Corey Berry:that's exactly what Tanner told me is we can't treat the causation. We can treat the symptoms. Then and then mister NFL Paul Frase right here introduced me to Mark Gordon, I myself the I introduced you to Quiet Explosion.
Paul Frase:Quiet Explosion. Said, if you write watch this, I'll talk to you. What did we do that night? You watched it. You and Susan watched it.
Paul Frase:Yeah.
Corey Berry:And I've been on the Mark Gordon protocol now. Well, I'm taking my last
Paul Frase:Millennium Protocol.
Corey Berry:Yeah. The Millennium Health Protocol. I'm taking I think it's my year is I just got the orders to go take that now. For the blood draw? For the blood draw.
Corey Berry:Have my one year one done. You're a 100% correct is I've been dealing with symptoms since 1999. Yeah. And progressively getting worse and worse and worse. And these doctors, they just it's it's been a battle and a fight and everything since 1999 to three years ago to get any answers for what the hell is going on with me.
Corey Berry:You know, I've had several many well, more than several concussions and thousands and thousands of repeated head impacts and brain swishes and everything that you have to go into these neurologists. You have to go into these doctors and be your own advocate. You have to tell them. And now I got doctor Kateser and doc and doctor Jeremy Tanner, and they both understand both sides of the aisle. You know?
Corey Berry:And I appreciate that I finally got a team along with Crystal who's sitting right here, a team that are advocates for me, but they also know I'm looking at Ibogaine. And it's like I told the NBO today, I said, you know, when I talked to a former Green Beret and he went down and done the Ibogaine, that he said, a 100%. I a 100%. He said, but if you don't go through the Millennium Protocol first, you're not helping yourself. You need to do the Millennium Health Protocol first before you go do the Ibogaine.
Corey Berry:Yeah.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:I I couldn't agree more. Go ahead.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Yeah. I just released a new paper, which updates the 2023 paper on that topic because I'm now working with Adam Marr promotes the use of Ibogaine gain in other psychedelic assisted therapies. So it's to address that. And in that article, I do talk about the iXpress gene. I might have sent you a preliminary copy of it.
Dr. Mark Gordon:But, yes, in order for the psychedelics to work, you need to have the chemistry of the brain receptive to the drug, to the to the plant based or frog based product. Okay? They talk about it plant based, but there's a frog in one of them. Right. Okay?
Dr. Mark Gordon:So, anyway, absolutely. With anything, you know, the reason why a lot of our medication, even in the traditional psychiatric, venue, why they don't work is because you don't have the chemistry in the brain to allow it to work, receptors. The receptors are all distorted by inflammation. And the supporting chemicals like neurotransmitters, they're deficient because the systems necessary to generate them are impeded or destroyed or dysfunctional because of the inflammation. And we know specific components of what inflammation is.
Dr. Mark Gordon:It's not just the cytokines, which are the immune generated products, but there are reactive oxygen species. There are other molecules that are generated in this process of inflammation that are spun off from cells that are dying, that are being destroyed by mitochondria, that are being destroyed by the inflammation. So you get secondary levels of free radicals. That's why all these things we take in, like glutathione and vitamin C and vitamin E's, vitamin D, and so forth. It's so bloody important.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I mean, 70% of the Millennium Protocol is based upon nutraceuticals, natural products.
Corey Berry:Yep.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Only a very small amount is based upon drugs or pharmaceutically derived products. Right.
Paul Frase:I was thinking of when the surfer dude in Quiet Explosions taking 85 dives, hyperbaric, and his brain didn't look any different on the spec scan. And then Doctor. Ammon said, Okay, Mark, he's yours. I know you worked with him and got
Dr. Mark Gordon:Sean Dollard.
Paul Frase:Yeah. You got his levels balanced out.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Two weeks after his blood test, he was balanced out, doing phenomenally well, and he was told not to go back surfing. And what he did, he went back surfing.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Mark Gordon:And what happened was because of the stress of the surfing, it created a recurrence of the problem. So he went on hiatus for a month. He's doing phenomenally. He ended up doing he and his wife did a movie talking about his experience, just waiting for me to get a copy of the movie. But, yeah, Well, the fact not is very
Paul Frase:that his going through the protocol of lowering the inflammation actually gave his body and the brain a chance to actually
Dr. Mark Gordon:To heal.
Paul Frase:Heal and experience sustainability for a bunch of HPOT.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Yeah. One of the beauties of the Millennium Protocol, it's not lifelong.
Paul Frase:Right. Right.
Dr. Mark Gordon:It's not lifelong. We've had people that have been in our program three months, they're out. Six months, a major out of Fort Hood. Six months, he's out, and he stopped everything.
Paul Frase:No. Don't you need the jugs to you know, for for the rest of your life?
Dr. Mark Gordon:No. That's another story. You get so your chemistry of the brain gets so altered by a lot of the pharmaceuticals that you're given that, yes, you do. And it's very difficult to to detox off them, which is a whole another story. You know?
Dr. Mark Gordon:Don't have the VA detox you or find a neuropsychopharmacologist who knows how to do it appropriately.
Corey Berry:Right. Now I wanna change the subject a minute if we can. We have Colonel And Bowling with I want to change the subject a little bit because I think our military is so special. And with what you have going on in Vietnam, my uncle Denny was a ranger in Vietnam. My brother was a ranger.
Corey Berry:You are a ranger. And please tell us, please, how you came about taking veterans back to the place of their war arena. The seventieth anniversary of d day, your cofounder of the longest climb foundation, John Hollis, writing about sergeant Rodney Davis and his heroics in 1967 by jumping on a hand grenade to save his peers.
Paul Frase:Yeah. I we we there's a there's an there's another thing that you mentioned in one of your podcast. You you talk about 1,100,000. Actually, you were addressing, I think, some soldiers in Vietnam about the 1,100,000 people that have given their lives, and then you backed it up with a point 002%. Tell us about this whole journey, please.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Yeah. Well, I will tell you. I'll warn you. It's a long story, and I know we're doing a long form podcast. But I don't think you have that much time, so I will do my best to give you the short, version of it.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:But the bottom line is it started in 2017 as I was about to assume battalion command in the Iron Rockassans, which is the third battalion of the hundred and eighty seventh Infantry Regiment. They're the unit that had fought the Battle of Hamburger Hill back in 1969. I knew these veterans well because I had also been a captain in the same unit, you know, years before. So I was very familiar with the veterans. They're very active in that unit.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:That is the most decorated infantry regiment in the conventional United States Army. Of course, every regiment claims that. I'm sure we're going get lots of hate mail that I'm saying this out loud, but it's a fact. Trust me on that. So anyway, coming into command in 2017, I just sort of did the math, and I realized while I was gonna be in command, the fiftieth anniversary of this, you know, seminal battle of the Vietnam War would occur.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And I had had the great fortune of jumping into the seventieth anniversary of d day in 2014 when I was assigned to the eighty second Airborne Division, and I had seen the power of that sort of event for the World War two era, veterans. And it really was a thing to behold. I mean, yes, it's incredible to be in Normandy, and all of that is neat. But to see the impact that it had on those veterans, it is it is amazing. So I thought, well, why don't I do that for the Vietnam guys?
Col. Martin J. Bowling:No one gives that sort of thing to them. And and this is a true story. I had to brief my boss. I was a lieutenant colonel. So I had to brief my boss who was a colonel, and I think he kinda looked at me like, why don't you go tell the general that and see what he says?
Col. Martin J. Bowling:So I went and told the general of the hundred first Airborne Division, and he was like, yeah. I don't think so. You you kinda got a lot on your plate, man. Why don't you just focus on commanding your unit? And so you guys probably figured this out by now.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:I'm a little bullheaded. I kinda walked out of his office. I was like, ah, this guy doesn't get it. We're just gonna do it anyway. So we we we did it on our own dime.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:We did some fundraising. But over the course of two years starting in 2017, I coordinated with the US Embassy in Vietnam, the government of Vietnam, and we're able to also find some surviving North Vietnamese veterans of that same battle. And so fast forward into May 2019, the government of Vietnam essentially rolled out the red carpet for us, and I flew with the airplane full of veterans of Hamburger Hill. And I I asked that they each bring a family member when we went back to Vietnam. As you might imagine, the first day on the ground is a little awkward, you know, as these guys are kinda trying to get to know each other, but we made some progress.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And by the middle of the week, we actually did decline to, to the top of Hamburger Hill. And it is not a hill, by the way. It is very much a mountain. It's actually called Danga Bia, which stands for the crouching beast in Vietnamese because in the Eixa Valley, it's one of the higher peaks, and so you can see it from a a long way away. So we spent the day climbing the mountain, and all but one of the guys in my group had never made it to the top because the Battle of Hamburger Hill was a ten day battle.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:The battalion took almost 70 casualties, so that meant most guys never made it. And so they had spent their entire lives with these, I call them, these are my words, you know, these demons on their shoulder wondering why did all these people die? Why did all these people suffer? What was on top of that hill? And I wanted to give them a chance to to do that.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And so if you go back and you look at some of the documentary film that was, done, Fox News did a great documentary of it, you'll see one of my veterans holding the hand of one of the Vietnamese veterans as we begin the ascent, up Dangap Bia. That's a pretty powerful thing to witness, in and of itself. But we get to the top, and, of course, as you might imagine, it was very powerful. I mean, quiet, somber. The Vietnamese have a memorial at the top, of their own.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:I mean, it was a seminal event on both sides of that battle. We came home from that well, I I will I do have to tell you. At the end of that week, we did a state sponsored dinner, where I I had I had kinda been told, hey. You might wanna try to sneak in some Jack Daniels here. The Vietnamese love the Jack Daniels.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:So we snuck in some Jack Daniels there to kinda loosen everybody up, and everybody was passing around the bottle of Jack, a couple bottles of Jack. And by the end of the night in that dinner, veterans from both sides were holding up their shirt tails and showing bullet wounds and kinda joking with each other about who shot who first, I was here, though you were there.
Paul Frase:Wow.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:It was an amazing thing to behold. And and there was no way I could have predicted that those events were gonna transpire, the way they did. But it was it was life changing, to say the least, but I thought that that would be the end of it. It was gonna be a one time thing for those guys that I had a great relationship with, and I was happy to do it. Come back from there, transfer out of command, and then sort of move on with my life.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Like, my next assignment was in the Pentagon, but people kept coming back to me, talking to me about it, asking me about it, and then the words started to get out. I had one of the Hamburger Hill veterans tell me because he had been evac ed, he never received any awards. I want to know, you know, had he received any awards. I said, well, let me figure that out. I'll I'll see what I can do.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:So we started digging through the National Archives, and I used Army Human Resources Command to help me find some things. And it turns out he didn't have an award. He had about 15 awards.
Paul Frase:Wow.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Wow.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:He lived in the state of South Carolina. So I called the the governor's office, and they gave us the State House, the stairs at the State House. We called in country music stars from Nashville, the army band, and VA and VFW. It was this massive thing. It would almost look like an inauguration.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And I pinned 15 awards, on this veteran's chest that they multiple bronze stars and purple hearts and campaign ribbons and things of that nature. I mean, they were very real awards. And they made a documentary about that, and it it got out. And so people started saying, well, can you do that for me? Can you do that for me?
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And, of course, the answer is if someone wants your help and you can help them, you're you're gonna do that. And in 2023, a senior mentor of mine was at a dinner in New York City, and that's where John Hollis was at the same dinner. He said, hey. John Hollis said, I I'm I would like to take my family back to Vietnam because of the medal of honor situation that you just referenced. And so my mentor at that dinner is a retired four star.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:He said, oh, well, I know a guy who kinda does that. His name's Colonel Bowling. And so he he linked us up via email, and I I told that gentleman, John Hollis, I said, I'd I'd be happy to help you. We can essentially redo the same thing. So we did the same thing in 2024 that we had done for the Hamburger Hill guys.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:We did it for the marines, of 1968 I'm sorry, 1967, and, of course, it was equally as powerful. We were able to track down, the foxhole, which was really a bomb crater where sergeant Rodney Davis had fallen on a grenade saving the lives of everyone else, in that bomb crater from his platoon. We actually found, the the the bomb crater based off a hand drawn map that his platoon sergeant had drawn, and we were able to overlay that with Google Earth and pinpoint where it was, and go with his family and stand in that foxhole and and tell the story of what had occurred. Again, we came back from that, and and Fox News, a local affiliate, documented that again. We came back from that thing.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Well, it was an honor to do that again. We had a big donor that helped us cover the the cost of that, who was also a Marine Vietnam veteran, and we thought that would be the end of it. And we were wrong again. And so at that point, John Hollis and I said, look. Clearly, there's a need out there for this.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:We need to at least make this a formal five zero one c three so that if someone wants to donate, we can give them the proper receipts and documentation that should go along with a donation of that nature. So we stood that organization up at the '24, so we're just about two years old now. And we we now take a group back every year to give them that same opportunity. We've partnered with Texas Tech. We've actually partnered with the Office of the Secretary of Defense out of the Pentagon, and it's now an official nonprofit.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And right now, we are about halfway through the planning phase for the next group. We're taking another group of veterans from the hundred first Airborne Division who'd fought one of the bloodiest battles of their regiment across four days in September 1968. So the the theme of this, trip is, four days in September. And the unique thing about this one, and it will be, you know, equally as powerful, but the unique thing about this particular trip is the battalion commander of those guys in 1968 has has long since passed away. But his daughter, who is similar in age, as I, has picked up his mantle.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:I mean, his his soldiers loved him. He was a very beloved commander, and his daughter essentially picked up that mantle and has continued to care for those soldiers and bring them together in some form of reunion. And it's a neat thing to see because here are these 75, 80 year old Vietnam vets, some of them with ponytails and Harleys and stuff like that. And here's this young 50 year old lady standing in front of him. And, I mean, she's the boss, and I I love it.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:She is brilliant, and she's hardworking, and she is carrying on her her father's, you know, mantle for caring for his soldiers. And she's at the forefront of helping get this group organized to bring him back to Vietnam. So it'll be another powerful event, and we'll keep doing it as long as the need is there. So, yeah, we we're the longest climb foundation.
Corey Berry:Man, God bless you, colonel. I appreciate that so much.
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Corey Berry:We owe it to them. They deserve it all. Without our military, we're not America. We're not free. Even these protesters out and everything right now, hey.
Corey Berry:They owe you guys a thank you for giving them the right to go do what they do. Right. And no one should shut them up because you fought for the right for them to do that. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service and everything you're doing afterwards. Thank you so much, sir.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Well, I very much appreciate that, Corey. And I'll tell you the thing that we've discovered along this journey with the the Longest Climb Foundation and by the way, the name is a reference to the fact that it took fifty years for the guys to climb to the top of Hamburger Hill. That's where we came up with the name. But one of the bigger surprises here is I think people are now able to put it into some context that they probably couldn't have fifty, sixty years ago. But what I'm getting at is these were young men on both sides of this battle that were doing the duty that their nation called them to do, and that's the powerful thing when you see them come together today.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And again, 75, 80 year old men, the animosity, it's not there. I mean, it's just a shared mutual respect, but more so than anything, it's a shared desire to release these demons and find peace and reconciliation at this late stage of life on both sides of it, And that's an incredible thing to witness.
Corey Berry:Oh, yeah. And it's you know, and I gotta give my uncle and brother both and my other uncle who was in the Navy during Vietnam, give them all my hats off. But I've talked to my brother Scott several times and had issues with people talking about their military experience and all. And he goes, my brother never talks about his. The only time he talks about is when he had to belly flop the land in Europe when they were gonna go do war games and the landing gears didn't go down on his c one thirty and he had to belly flop.
Corey Berry:That's the only story. But and my uncle's the same way and he says, we just went and did our job.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:That's right.
Corey Berry:It's nothing to brag about. It's nothing to talk about. This is what we were paid to do and we just went and done our job. And you know what? Coming from people like that and people that serve and people like yourself, you know, I don't need to hear the stories.
Corey Berry:I don't need to hear the action reports. I don't need to do your job. Come home safe, and I'll have a beer waiting for you. Other than that, you know, leave our damn soldiers alone. Take care of them.
Corey Berry:Mark Gordon is a blessing to the veterans. I mean, he gave up a private practice with civilians to go take care of our veterans. So I know his heart's in the same place as mine that our veterans are 300% more important than any NFL athlete.
Paul Frase:Well, the bottom line is, and I think, Mark, I know this about your story. I think in 2008, you were actually trying to help some of these, what did you call us? Neanderthals maybe? But I am so glad, I'm so glad that you, you know, realized that you were better you could better serve the men and women that serve our country. So we appreciate that about you, and colonel can't even explain or express what I'm feeling.
Paul Frase:You think about I mean, life is about relationship. Yeah. And you oh, wow. I'm just getting chills. I couldn't even imagine experiencing seeing an 80 year old American hold an 80 year old North Vietnamese soldier hand in hand.
Paul Frase:And and, you know but the I I would have gotten the kick of seeing them lift their shirts up and, you know, joke about who shot who. Oh my gosh. And then, of course, the the the the many, many lives that we lost in that arena. And The pop.
Corey Berry:6,000. I know my uncles always wanted to go back to Vietnam. Mhmm.
Dr. Mark Gordon:September Well September.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Say, look look us up. We've already got the the trip for next year in the works, but, you know, we need the next one and the next one is reality. And that I'm not saying that flippantly. That is exactly how it works. We've gotta start planning at least a year, in advance because there's a lot of coordination, that goes into these sorts of things.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:But, look, the reality is most of these guys, and I really mean most of these guys and gals to to a degree, on both sides, like you said, they just don't talk about it. They've they've kept it to themselves because that's that's their disposition. That's their choice. I I'm very familiar with that for the record, and and I respect that. But what we found is certainly us, but they as well, there was no way that you could predict the impact of this experience.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:There was no way. We had no idea when we first did this what we were getting into. And I I have only scratched the surface of some of the stories that actually occurred that day. If we had another hour, I could tell you many, many, many more. Probably the one that most would find interesting is I had one veteran who passed away shortly after our return, but his family said to us, you gave it was about two or three months after we returned.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:They said, you gave us a chance to see our father for who he truly was because for fifty plus years, he was impacted by all of these things. And when he came home from Vietnam with your trip, he was a different person, and they just said, thank you. We got to see who he was, and he was finally able to go in peace. And know that, of course, we didn't know those things were gonna happen, and that wasn't our intent. But that's how powerful something like this can be.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And so as long as we're in a position to give it to folks who need
Corey Berry:it, we're gonna do it. Well, and I just think that's combat mentality is
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Right.
Corey Berry:They go see the Vietnam who used to be their in enemy. They were a soldier just like them.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Correct.
Corey Berry:They went and done a job that was told
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Mhmm.
Corey Berry:To go do, and they went and did it to the best of their ability. So I don't see the hatred between them. I see the courage, the heroism, the camaraderie. I see all of that in it. And I think it's such a beautiful thing when it comes to our military.
Corey Berry:And, man, I just I can't there's nothing better in my life than my military. Mark, get back on topic a little bit.
Paul Frase:I wanna I wanna I wanna go go back That was to something great. Colonel Bowling said. You said the word snake oil. And I get so frustrated. Literally, I just watched a daylong symposium of the most advanced neurosurgeons and neurologists and all this stuff, and they had I'm just going to call it ignorance.
Paul Frase:They said the word snake oil, and they referred to things that are clinically proven, peer reviewed. You know, it's almost like saying s v 40 causes, you know, cancer. It's a cancer promoter. They never they never told us that. They didn't they never told you things in, you know, nutrition in class.
Paul Frase:Why are these why are these people that would seem to be on the upper echelon of neuro neurology saying the word about snake oil about whatever, you know, functional medicine that is proven and clinically proven, and these nutraceuticals and so on and so forth. I we could go on about an hour about that. You know? Let's not do that. I want it
Dr. Mark Gordon:Thank you.
Paul Frase:Yeah. Yeah. Mark, tell us give us a 101, peptides. Peptides is the new buzzword for the last eight years or five years. You just wrote a book.
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Dr. Mark Gordon:Well, it it it goes into the venue of regenerative medicine as well as it does as a functional tool to address the inflammatory markers that we find. You know, there are peptides like ARA two ninety and BPC 157. And if you want to add in a skin copper peptide, the GSKcu, that these address the inflammatory moieties or the inflammatory chemistry that we're picking up in the iXpress gene as a general. But aside from the book Peptides for Health, the medical version and then the consumers' versions, what's even more important are the two papers that I just released that deal with the safety and responsibility of companies that have popped up overnight that are promoting and selling peptides to uneducated consumers that say, oh, BPC 157, thymosin four beta, MOTSI, Wolverine stack, this, that, and the other. Oh, I'm gonna do that.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Well, they don't ask the very basic question. Where do these things come from? You know, only 9% of the peptides that are sold in The United States are made in The United States. The rest of it come from India first and China next. And in 2023, everybody's heard the recent buzz by RFK junior, and then if they saw the Joe Rogan number 2461, I think it was Friday.
Dr. Mark Gordon:It was released Monday or was something like that, where RFK stated that 14 of the 19 peptides that were pulled off of the ability for compounding pharmacies, the 503As, and the manufacturing compounding manufacturing, the 503Bs, that they no longer can have these 19 peptides because they've been moved into what's called a category two, which means you can't manufacture or sell them because there are problems with it. And the problems with it are about where they come from, the purity of it, the quality of it, the structure of it, and the documentation that the entire protocol used to manufacture from amino acids, these chains of amino acids called peptides, are actually what is on the bottle. So in 2023, the FDA overreached themselves and put 19 of these peptides onto a category two. Well, in the meetings that the FDA had on these peptides, they said it possibly, it probably, it theoretically could cause this problem. Therefore, we're putting it into category two.
Dr. Mark Gordon:And what they illegally did back in 2023, which RFK junior brought to the forefront, is that they put him on a category one, which is usable, to a category two without appropriate documentation. It was some summized. It was suppositional. It was possibility. So what RFK did and announced in print and then on Joe Rogan is that he is releasing or some of them have a lot of research on it opposite to what the FDA said in 2023, and those are probably going to be the first ones to be released.
Dr. Mark Gordon:The Cmax, the BPC 157, I think Cmax and Cell Link, some of the ones that are extremely important, will probably come out before the other group. But they still have to go through the testing and the verification to move them from class one class two to class one. It has been done. And what he stated is not categorically going to happen. It has to go through a process.
Dr. Mark Gordon:So people who are listening to this, yes, it's good statement. He's predicting what's going to happen. He mentioned on it that he uses peptides as well. So he's probably illegally using them because the ones I would assume he uses are ones which we all would like to use or have used in the past before they became illegal. Anyway, peptides are a unique group of chains of amino acids.
Dr. Mark Gordon:They're not proteins because they're too small. And these peptides are similar to ones we have in our body that turn on systems that have shut off. So what it does is it's a signaling molecule. And one of the beauties about peptides, they're so small, they're so fragile, that once they're put into the system by injection, very few orally, that what happens is they're broken down and they stop acting. So they go in, they function, they do their job, and then they're removed.
Dr. Mark Gordon:They're removed through enzymatic means degradation. Endopeptidases, enzymes that disrupt the structure of it, so they're gone. So this is good. It's a built in safety factor for it. So peptides have incredible benefits.
Dr. Mark Gordon:My first book, which is the consumer version, is about 360 pages. It has 60 pages or 30 pages of just terminology. So if you're not really aware of the terminology, the last chapter 34 is terminology, so you can read what I'm talking about, and I try to be very clear. The clarity is these are phenomenal tools, if used appropriately, in the right hands, by people who know it. Not just acquiring them because Bubba told you in the gym this is good CJC twelve ninety five or Ipramorelin or Tesmorelin or whatever, that these are good.
Dr. Mark Gordon:It's about having a doctor who goes and checks to see whether or not you even need them by looking at certain parameters in in laboratory testing. And then while you're on it, to make sure you're not overdosing on it. Because there are problems with overdosing of anything we do in life. You know, too much good scotch, single malt scotch, Valvini, you know, too much of that. More than a half a bottle in a night is too much.
Dr. Mark Gordon:But it's like anything else we do: moderation, not excess. And also knowing if there's a risk for you in using a peptide. So this first book, Volume One, in the medical version and in a consumer version, go through this protocol of overview, mechanism of functioning, what you should do before you take it, who the ideal people are. The new volume, which will be out, there are three volumes in the set. The second volume is adding another 20.
Dr. Mark Gordon:The first book had 30 peptides broken down to the weeds, and then the second book has 20, but it has a new grouping of we've been doing since 2019 with our veterans and also with our civilian population. We've been doing peptides. I don't sell peptides. I just educate on it. I give all of our potential utilizers of these peptides direction in how to find where to get it.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I don't sell them.
Paul Frase:You ever talk about, you know, peptides derived from fruit food products like red meats and fish and legumes and eggs and all that fun stuff? Or do they do they equate to to what you're talking about?
Dr. Mark Gordon:There are chemicals in all those things that you talked about that have benefit to the body, but these peptides are fragile. So by the time you cook your steak, you know, you'll get the iron, the b complex if you don't overcook the the steak beyond just heating it up on the outside, you know, medium raw the way I like it, medium rare, medium raw. Otherwise, you overcook it. Like, the guys who have it done well done or medium well, you're destroying most of the of the nutritional value in
Corey Berry:it. And the taste.
Dr. Mark Gordon:And as well as unless you like burnt. You know? Unless you like burnt. So, anyway, I'm just battling with I just got some Australian Wagyu in rib eyes. Oh.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Unbelievably butterly buttery from a company in Northern New York. Reasonably priced. I won't buy it every day, but reasonably priced. Better than going into a restaurant and getting a 15 ounce Wagyu a five. You know?
Dr. Mark Gordon:Anyway, so the the peptides are extremely important. You've got to know what you want. Read about it. In the second book, it has peptides for vision. Peptides, I just finished a couple of cases with multiple sclerosis, seven cases.
Dr. Mark Gordon:With stroke, we've got a number of cases. And when I was in Southeast Asia on a project for Vietnam, separate from doctor Bolan, treated a gentleman with Parkinson's, 78 years of age. He's about 50% better in six days. And that's not me. That's his family looking at how well he's doing.
Dr. Mark Gordon:So getting more and more cases and being able to write about it, getting laboratories done on them, pre and post labs. On some of them, we can't do it because of where they're located, also financial aspects to it. And so the second volume will have more of these case reviews and these case studies. And periodically, I'll post one. I think I just told you I did a knee in patient with BPC-one hundred fifty seven and thymosin four beta and IGF-one, which is our triple peptide protocol that we developed in 2019, on myself after tearing my quadricep femoris and, you know, my quad muscle, two of the four muscles were partially torn.
Dr. Mark Gordon:What a painful experience, man. I heard it and felt it tearing, and that was just crazy. And they said it would take me six to nine months to be able to function. Six weeks later, I'm back doing just about everything I wanted to by injecting right into the area. Shoulder, rotator cuff, my back, I'm going in for surgery.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I delayed it for three years. But there's a number of benefits to the peptides, and I won't delay this any longer. But on the website, my primary website, I have a sample of the book, both the medical one and the consumer edition, so you can see my writing skill and what the important factors are, and it has a couple of the chapters included out of the consumer has 34 chapters. The medical has 33. The medical's 262 pages.
Dr. Mark Gordon:The civilian one or the consumer one is three three sixty almost 60 pages more. 30 pages more for explanation and 30 pages just for terminology.
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Corey Berry:Now before I ask my last question, now I may be wrong and tell me if I'm wrong, and I know, Gordon, you'll tell me immediately if I'm wrong.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I'll hold my peace. You
Corey Berry:and colonel Bowling, are you working together on this health retreat in Vietnam?
Dr. Mark Gordon:Yes. Not yet, but directions.
Dr. Mark Gordon:He's gonna
Dr. Mark Gordon:be part of it. I was gonna
Col. Martin J. Bowling:say we're we're we're getting there. We're in the early stages of it. Dialogue. Bottom line because I've got quite a network into that country on both economic diplomatic side of things. And frankly, it's a beautiful country with great people.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:And there is a strong desire to diversify supply chain for all the reasons that we're all imminently aware. I do try my best to help good companies, you know, integrate into the Vietnamese economy when I can. I'm able to do that because of some other very close friends I've got who who work specifically in that arena and have for many, many years. And so as Mark and his team are putting this project together, I'm happy to help them to the extent that I'm able to do so. It's very honorable what they're doing, and I think they're going about it in exactly the right way, which is not a surprise for anyone that knows Mark.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Thank you.
Corey Berry:Oh, yeah. And I mean, it's it's actually funny because we started a nonprofit, the HeadRush Foundation, and we're hoping to raise money to help people to get on get help needed for TBIs, CTE, and all of that. And I asked Mark. I said, Mark, you wanna be on our board? He goes, I don't do boards.
Corey Berry:I'm not on anyone else's board. I ain't doing it. Well, Mark, you're on a board now. It's not the HeadRush board, but you're on a board with this. Tell us a little bit about it.
Dr. Mark Gordon:You want me to tell you? Yeah. Well, my relationship with iXpressGenes is growing rapidly, because we have, compatibility and synergy. And in having experienced the impact that their testing has had on my ability to substantiate and justify objectively what I'm doing means that I wanna spend as much time as I possibly can to help bring their technology into the light, because this has a potential, if the doctors will pick it up, potential of making their efficiency of what they're doing very, very clear. Because there are so many people out there that says, I treat TBI.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I treat PTSD. I treat head trauma, who are doing very standard, very suboptimal treatment while they're thinking they're doing the very best. This test, in and of itself, will allow for that definition to be clear. It won't be suppositional. It won't be guesswork.
Dr. Mark Gordon:It will be yes. Yes. But knowing before you treat is the most important. And what this will allow us to do is to know exactly what the inflammatory parameters are and how they influence the hormones. As you've known from my prior discussions that trauma gets inflammation, the inflammation shuts off all this chemistry in the brain that drops inflammation.
Dr. Mark Gordon:So if you have nothing to defend the brain against inflammation, you're just going to continue to see mounting inflammation, and that's what leads to other inflammatory chemicals to be turned on, and the destruction of neurons, glial cells, just the entire neuroconductivity of the brain. And that's why over time you see the progressive problems in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, CTE, ALS. So, yes, it's meant to be that my standing or sitting, if it's sitting on the board, standing on the board, depending upon your perspective, that it makes sense. And yes, I don't normally sit on boards. Monthly, I get asked to sit on boards because they think I know something.
Dr. Mark Gordon:And it just the more diversions or distractions I have, the less focus I have. I'm handing more and more of my practice to my daughter, Allison, takes care traditionally of all our civilian population, NFL also, NHL, NBA, blah blah blah, and then the civilians who have had car accidents or assaults or what have you, and passing more tour because I need more time to write more, to go and travel more, to be a representative of what we do, what the millennium does. You know, not what Gordon does, but what the millennium does. And, hopefully, to lecture and to recruit more doctors. On our website, we've got in the TBI team, we've got a listing of doctors.
Dr. Mark Gordon:You've had doctor DeMaio, who's one of our primary psychiatrists in our program that you've had on the program a couple of times. You might visit her every now and then when you're in Florida. But that's my stance. Take it or leave
Corey Berry:I think we got the next best thing on our board other than Mark Gordon is we got Margell Demayo on our board.
Paul Frase:Demayo. Demayo.
Dr. Mark Gordon:My twin. My Filipina twin.
Paul Frase:Exactly. Well, you guys both stay in your lanes because you'll a lot farther staying in your lane than zigzagging outside of the lane. So but what what an honor, colonel Bohling. And Mark, always a joy, a pleasure, and thank you. Thank you.
Paul Frase:Thank you so much. Really quick, we like to leave our listeners with a word of hope. Colonel?
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Yeah. That that that's easy for me. I spent my entire career, in uniform training the next generation to do hard things in very challenging places. And it's easy if you just log on and you read the news or listen to the news to to be told to that the future is is not bright or that, you know, there are all these concerns. And, sure, there will always be current concerns.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:But let me tell you, we're in good hands. The next generation is smart, hardworking. They understand the problem in a way that generations prior have not. And my son is a part I have two sons part of that generation, and they are both way smarter, way brighter, more disciplined than I was at those ages. And so we're in good hands.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Whether they're in the uniform with the stars and bars on their shoulders and jumping out of airplanes or whether they're in the university studying to go into the medical career field, I am positive, that our future is in great hands with these next generations, and I've seen it time and time again.
Paul Frase:Thank you. Mark, any word of hope?
Dr. Mark Gordon:Well, excuse me. Let me shut that off, sorry. My surgeon. Sorry. Anyway, so as you started the show, you had a sentence, and the word hope, as you just said, was in it.
Dr. Mark Gordon:I think I am more hopeful now for all those people that are listening who have a condition that is relative to traumatic brain injury or what have you because we now have technology that can look at causation and outcome. Causation, inflammation, the effect of that inflammation on your neuro regulatory system, the neuroendocrine system in the brain, we can now define it. We see it objectively. And therefore, there should be a lot of hope for those people that are listening because you can now go and address this with your health care provider and request that they have the inflammatory testing done by iXpress gene. They can get access to our twenty eight point biomarker panel.
Dr. Mark Gordon:Yes, we developed it over fourteen years. But I make it available to any of my colleagues who realize that there's a better way to deliver treatment and hope of return to normal life. Period. There you go.
Corey Berry:And before we go, Jordan, can you put up the TBEI Help Now website, please, for Mark Gordon? This is how you get ahold of Mark Gordon is through here. Go to tbihealthnow.org and you can get ahold of everything you need. Find the clinician. Do everything you need to right on that website, ladies and gentlemen.
Corey Berry:So go to help tbihelpnow.org and the Millennium Health Protocol.
Paul Frase:And and we'll definitely we'll definitely get iXpress Gene's information on probably either the intro or the outro.
Corey Berry:So It's already on there.
Paul Frase:Is it? Alright. He Corey's already got it. Take you
Col. Martin J. Bowling:through. The thelongestclimbfoundation.org.
Corey Berry:I got that too.
Col. Martin J. Bowling:Yeah. Awesome.
Corey Berry:I put that before I put everything else because of that. And I wanna thank you all for such a great episode. Thank you, Mark. As always, you've become a friend. You've become an alliance with the HeadRush Podcast.
Corey Berry:And yes, we believe in inflammation inflammation inflammation. What do we believe in?
Paul Frase:Inflammation. Inflammation.
Corey Berry:I've had pet bone scans that show my inflammation. I've got the atrophy. I've got more studies and everything than you can shake a stick at to prove it. And I'll tell you what, if you look at me from a year ago Right. What's the difference?
Paul Frase:Night and day. I mean, we we've been through a lot in this year, and you have you know, you're Crystal could chime in better than I. It'd be he's he's
Dr. Mark Gordon:You are your your ability to be around other people that you don't know, crowds, used to be you'd be swinging or thinking about it in a response. Now you can be prepared, go into a crowd, not like a horse's hoof. You the ability, you could recall is is much different. Your ability to be by yourself, your gait, around, the interactions with
Paul Frase:people And it's
Dr. Mark Gordon:so much different and improved than what it was when we first met.
Paul Frase:And it's not the Mark Gordon protocol. It's the Millennium Health Protocol. Millennium Health Sciences.
Corey Berry:And It's Paradise Behavioral Health.
Paul Frase:And now I I'm hearing it's iXpress genes combined with that too. So thank you, gentlemen.
Corey Berry:Man, we can't get any better than that. And you just heard from my therapist, Crystal Clark, and she's been with me for a year and she sees the difference. My short term memory is I can't remember what yesterday was.
Paul Frase:You're
Corey Berry:And so we got we got the therapist here that actually remembers a lot better than I do. And I think Mark remembers a lot better than I do.
Paul Frase:Very well because every day you call me with this did you do this, Paul? No. I forgot, Corey. So
Corey Berry:We actually made a bet because our next time we come into recording, we actually got doctor Eamon coming on. Thank you, Mark. And it's funny because I made a bet with Paul. I said, Paul, I'll bet you $5 you don't make your airline ticket tonight. He goes, you're on.
Corey Berry:What happened, Paul?
Paul Frase:I owe you $5. Thank you all.
Corey Berry:Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Again, my hats off to you, colonel. Thank you for your service and everything you do for our military.
Corey Berry:You know, if you ever need anything or wanna be on the podcast, reach out, man. You're welcome anytime just like Mark, and we'll do whatever we need to. So stay alert.
Paul Frase:And stay alive.
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