The Studio Demands It!

S7 EP9 | In 2010, The Wolfman came and went, but the curse of the wolf was passed on to a new character, Inspector Frederick Abberline. The studio demands to hear a pitch for a new Wolfman film that follows the famed Inspector who hunted Jack the Ripper. And the Ripper has begun to kill again, in New York City. 


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Jim Burzelic
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T.C. De Witt

What is The Studio Demands It!?

Two screenwriters attempt to recreate, reimagine, or flat out fix, existing film franchises when 'the studio' demands...MORE FILMS! It's an exercise in creative thinking where they will challenge themselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. | Sixfive Media

T.C.:

Hello. Welcome to The Studio Demands It! A screenwriting series where we will conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film or show based on the demands from one of you listeners acting as a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. Listeners. As professional screenwriters ourselves and massive cinephiles, we talk movies all the time.

T.C.:

Movies. And we'd like to believe that we could meet any demand thrown at us. We will be your screenwriters for this episode. I am T. C.

T.C.:

De Witt. And joining me as always is Jim, the best Chris Burzelic. The best one. The best one. You're the best Chris?

Jim:

I'm the best Chris.

T.C.:

Okay. Well, then who's the second best Chris? Now, you know the Hollywood Chrises? Yeah. There's there's Chris Evans.

T.C.:

Yep. There's Chris Pratt.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

There's Chris Hemsworth. Uh-huh. And then there's Chris Pine. Yep. They all just happen to have the exact same career trajectory all at the same time.

T.C.:

Mhmm. And there's the best Chrises list. And

Jim:

I'm at the top.

T.C.:

You're at the top. Okay. So you're the best Chris.

Jim:

Chris Jim Burzelic. Who

T.C.:

who's who's the best Chris?

Jim:

You you It's Jim Burzelic.

T.C.:

It's Jim Burzelic. He's a very funny man. He's just a podcast called I'm doing Jim Jim Eglick right now.

Jim:

Yeah. It turns out the the the hyper choice originally was it could have been any any person, just an asking question. But the moment you dive down, it's like that.

T.C.:

It becomes a Jim Eglick. Jim Eglick, best Chris Burzelic. Mhmm. Who's the best Chris? Aside from you.

T.C.:

So you got your Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Pratt, and

Jim:

I don't want the boys to fight. So I don't I don't

T.C.:

Well, our show, it would seem we think Chris Pine's the best Chris, because we've done two movies with him in a leading role. We did, obviously, Star Trek, but we also did Bedknobs and Broomsticks and cast him in the charlatan magician role.

Jim:

There was a while where I thought Chris Pratt was the best Chris.

T.C.:

Oh, man.

Jim:

But Yeah. I allow political beliefs and things to influence what I do. To sway your

T.C.:

opinion. Yeah.

Jim:

And he the his stock plummeted, unfortunately.

T.C.:

Yeah. And weirdly, when Chris Evans was cast as Captain America, it was this odd choice because

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

Chris Evans had made a wonderful career being a d bag. Yeah. And it's like, that's human. And then, of course, he's

Jim:

And then he was amazing. Perfect.

T.C.:

Yeah. And then after he was done being Captain America, he just went back to being Yeah. Like playing really good d bags.

Jim:

And then Chris Hemsworth, I want I want it to be Chris Hemsworth. Mhmm. But outside of Thor, I haven't seen him do anything that, like, I love Mhmm. Outside of of since Thor. Instantly.

Jim:

Because he's he's done some it it I think it's awesome. He was in Cabin In The Woods. Yeah. Red Dawn. Yeah.

Jim:

Things like things like that. But since Thor like, I didn't see Crime one zero one. I don't know how Crime one zero was good. Credit was. That's good?

T.C.:

Have you seen the Extraction movies?

Jim:

I have not. It's Jake'straction. That's great. I really want that to be the character's name.

T.C.:

I cannot take credit for that.

Jim:

It's a really funny It's very funny.

T.C.:

That's it.

Jim:

No. I haven't seen them. So other than the Thor movies, I I haven't seen anything to really

T.C.:

Back up his

Jim:

Yeah. So so Chris Hemsworth, I yeah. Fall falls out of that first slot, and I I think Chris Pine Chris Pine takes it. And I know that makes it sound like he's taking it by default.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

I didn't speak to to what he's done that is good. He's done a a great job. Yeah. Captain Kirk. He's a good Captain Kirk.

T.C.:

He's a great Captain Kirk.

Jim:

Yeah.

T.C.:

Good. Sorry. I didn't mean to put that extra qualifier there.

Jim:

And and D and that's fine. And and D and D.

T.C.:

Yeah. I think that's true.

Jim:

And then and then weirdly, I let I let this influence my opinion. All of the gossip and scandal that happened on Don't worry, darling. Yeah. On Don't worry, darling.

T.C.:

Between Harry Styles spit in his lap?

Jim:

Yeah. And and, like, the look on his face because from what I understand, he had nothing to do with any of the drama, and he was just there. And then he got spit on, and he was like and he smiled. Like, what's hap why am I catching

T.C.:

strays? Princess Diaries two?

Jim:

Yep. Yep.

T.C.:

Yeah. I like Chris Pine. I like them all. Like, they're all great, but, like, I think Chris Pine has managed to have more aces than Mhmm. Than although, I was gonna say roof man, pool man.

Jim:

See, I didn't see that. That might actually you you've mentioned it twice now tonight.

T.C.:

So sorry.

Jim:

That that might take away it might go to Chris Evans. Chris Evans might take the lead.

T.C.:

Well well, let's see if in today's demand we can work an Evans or a a Chris into this.

Jim:

A Chris into this.

T.C.:

But Jim, our an extra studio demand, I see. Maybe. It might be in the demand. I don't know.

Jim:

As always Make a movie with all the Chrises.

T.C.:

Oh, man. Like, a battle royale of Chrises. Like like, a completely meta it's like the the massive weight of extraordinary talent.

Jim:

The Okay. Sure. The I didn't I wasn't thinking that they had to fight. I didn't they didn't they didn't have to vie. It's just a movie with all of them in it, but we they they could fight.

T.C.:

Like an Ocean's 11 style movie, and it's, like, just Chris's. Like, the whole cast is just Hollywood Chris's. You know, it'd be like

Jim:

That would be

T.C.:

like Chris Penn

Jim:

Uh-huh.

T.C.:

As it is.

Jim:

Yes.

T.C.:

Chris Penn's still alive? I don't think he is.

Jim:

No. He's not.

T.C.:

Okay. Christopher Plummer. Is he is Chris Plummer still alive? Nope. Nah.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

Chris Farley

T.C.:

oh. Dang it.

Jim:

Come on. Yeah.

T.C.:

The battle of

Jim:

So what what that reminds me of is there was an adult swim show. Oh, god. And I'm not gonna remember the name of it. Oh, no. It was about two two detectives, and they had a talking car.

Jim:

One of the cases, they had to fight they they had to solve a diamond heist, And the diamond heist was actually being done by a group of people who are all named diamond. In the end, they they took that diamond because it was the world's biggest diamond, and they for and it was the centerpiece to Voltron ing up into

T.C.:

Oh my god.

Jim:

A diamond Voltron that they had to fight. And the way they defeated it was was by oh, who who was I think Lou Diamond Phillips Yeah. Was the the the the chink in the armor Mhmm. Because Diamond was his middle name rather than his last name.

T.C.:

Get him.

Jim:

Because Dustin Diamond was in there. Neil Diamond was

T.C.:

my in

Jim:

god. I forget who else. There there were others. Are two others. But but Lou Diamond Phillips was like they they appealed to him like, come on, Lou.

Jim:

Come on, Lou. You know they don't treat you as good. Because you Any any You're a lesser guy. He turned on a minute, and that helped defeat the Diamond Voltron.

T.C.:

Stroker and Hoop. Thank you.

Jim:

Oh, man. That was such a dumb show that I loved so much.

T.C.:

If Adult Swim's good for anything, it's single season nonsense that's, like, sticks in your back of your brain, like, just enough where you're like, yeah. What was a what was a talking motorcycle one that Owen Wilson did with Ben Stiller HeatWave. He No.

Jim:

Heat vision Jack and Heat vision?

T.C.:

Heat vision and Jack Jack Blackett.

Jim:

I never got to see it. My god. I actually have it on DVD somewhere. Someone someone burnt it to DVD for

T.C.:

me. Wow.

Jim:

And I still haven't watched it. I'm a terrible friend. Yeah. Oh, no. I've lost my first place as best Chris.

T.C.:

Yep. I'm gonna have to deduct some points from you. You're going right below Chris Pratt. Oh, no. Worst Chris.

T.C.:

Jim.

Jim:

I don't worst Chris, Jim Burzelic.

T.C.:

Our listeners give have given us demands. They've come from literally all over the world. And you hey, you, not Jim. The one the one listening right now. You could send us any demand you like, and if we select it, it'll be met right here in this episode.

T.C.:

If we've done our jobs by the end, we'll have pitched a whole script or story meeting or exceeding whatever your demands might be. And when we reach the end of the season, this could be the episode that's and the pitch that the fans green light for our finale. So thank you to everyone who is has submitted, so please keep them coming. Today's demand, this is a season of of return demanders. Return Yeah.

T.C.:

This comes from Melina at Perfectly Fine Studios who has has done a demand before. I apologize. I don't remember which one it is off the top of head, but I do know that Melina has perfectly fine studios has called us back into the office. The release of Robert Eggers werewolf. Is it spelled that way with a u?

T.C.:

Werewolf? Werewolf? Werewolf. Yeah. You ever see the Mystery Science Theater werewolf episode?

T.C.:

No. It's this really terrible movie.

Jim:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's about the the guy he, like, he turned someone into a werewolf. And and the the thing I will always remember because he was using the ads is, ah, now I'll go turn my daughter into a woodchuck.

T.C.:

There's a woman in it who has a very thick accent, and she can't say werewolf. She keeps like, a werewolf. A werewolf.

Jim:

A werewolf.

T.C.:

And it sounds like anyway, I'm so sorry. The release of Robert Eggers' werewolf, it's whatever, has been think has me thinking about the attempted and ultimately failed production of the 2010 Joe Johnston directed Universal Wolfman movie starring Benicio Del Toro and Anthony Hopkins, which attempted to recapture the tone and classic feel of the nineteen forties original film. The production was quite a mess, and whether people like the final product or not, reviews are mixed on it. I was recently made aware that there was a proposed and canned sequel set up in the film. The original plan was to do a follow-up Wolfman movie where we follow Hugo Weaving's character, the real life inspector Francis Aberlein.

T.C.:

I didn't know he was based on a real person. That's cool. We would follow Hugo Weaving's character, the real life France inspector Francis Aberlein, who was bitten at the end of the film. He would use his newfound curse and abilities to continue his search for the infamous Jack the Ripper. My studio demands you to bring this worthwhile story into reality.

T.C.:

Use Aehrlein's monstrous abilities to hunt down one of history's most infamous and monstrous killers. You can adapt this as freely as you'd like. You don't have to use Hugo Weaving. My only wish would be that you that the 2010 film's atmosphere be maintained. Okay.

T.C.:

So first foremost, yes. We've maintained the atmosphere

Jim:

of the first one. Okay.

T.C.:

Jim, a a a sequel that was proposed and ultimately canned based on the lackluster return of twenty ten's werewolf. No. Wolfman. Wolfman. Wolfman.

T.C.:

Yeah. Wolfman. I that's cool. Inspector Ablan, it is said in the movie that he hunted Jack the Ripper. Mhmm.

T.C.:

And, obviously, Jack the Ripper was never caught. But the demand is to write a sequel. Write write this story, the story of a wolfman hunting Jack the Ripper. Okay. Okay.

T.C.:

Thank you, Molina, and we will do our best right now. Here we go. The the pitch is on. I will say this about because Jim and I, in preparation for doing a wolf man demand, I made Jim watch the wolf man.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

I had a suspicion that's what this demand would be referencing anyway because Melina sort of told me that's what it was gonna be. So in preparation for that, we did watch that. And I had not seen it since it was in theaters in 2010, so it'd been a very long time. That's a damn good looking movie. It is.

T.C.:

It looks spectacular. It is the production design on it, the the the cinematography on it, it it feels like it it truly does capture the the feel and tone of that Gothic era that the nineteen forties one was just happened to be filmed in. And, yeah, it's just a really, really slick looking movie. Is it a good movie in general? It's fine.

Jim:

Yeah. All also, that was my takeaway. Like, oh, I missed this in 2030. I wanted to see it.

T.C.:

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's I'm

Jim:

I'm glad I saw it, I I guess.

T.C.:

It's a breezy watch. It's a it's an hour forty five, so Yeah. That's nice. But, yeah, it it I don't know. To to use the wordplay, it didn't have enough bite to it.

T.C.:

Didn't it didn't really, like, get its claws sunk into me where I was like, damn. This is so good. But it's not so what the hell, like, Hugo Hugh Jackman's Van Helsing, which is like Sure. Oh, boy. You guys are trying way too hard with this.

T.C.:

Like, Helsing, in my memory of it, it was a try hard movie. We yeah. Or because it because Stephen Summers was coming off of two Two

Jim:

Mummy. Movies? Yeah. Yeah. The that's a whole other conversation I want.

Jim:

I I don't need I don't need to talk about The Mummy some more.

T.C.:

But the the this 2010 Wolfman, we've seen other Wolfman movies, specifically Wolfman. There was one that came out. Lee Cronin's Wolfman,

Jim:

I believe.

T.C.:

And that's a very disappointing movie that had a very good trailer with some good ideas into it, but it's it did not do what the Invisible Man did so well. Contemporizing the Invisible Man, the Elizabeth Moss movie, it's it's a Blumhouse production, so it's very, very low cost for high production results. And and that Invisible Man movie is really, really good. But since then, I don't think anyone has really It's

Jim:

not Lee Cronin. It's Lee Waynall.

T.C.:

Lee Witt Witt Was it wrong Lee? Yeah. Lee Witt Witt Witt. Yeah. He did Invisible Man and Wolfman.

T.C.:

Okay. Whatever the case, no. And plenty of werewolf movies to draw from. We've seen we've seen well, the wolf man just returns maybe not as frequently as Frankenstein or Dracula, but the wolf man is werewolves themselves do come come and go.

Jim:

He was the wolf Wolfman was pretty popular when he came out though. Right? Because he got a bunch of the sequels Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's he's one of the crossovers with Frankenstein.

T.C.:

Yep. Yep. He's one of the the classic universal monsters.

Jim:

So would he be the Flash Yeah. Yeah. To to Frankenstein and Dracula's Yes. Superman and

T.C.:

Yeah. You know what? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

T.C.:

The bride the bride if you take a moment, the bride the bride is the most impressive universal monster. She has two minutes of screen time. In the movie where she's the title character, every image you can think of right now

Jim:

Uh-huh.

T.C.:

Of the bride of Frankenstein is from that two minutes that she is in in that movie. Her little she doesn't even have any dialogue.

Jim:

Like Yeah.

T.C.:

That's how impressive she is as a as an icon. It's just this gloriously memorable look, and it's amazing to me that she is she's in that roster. Mhmm. And she what?

Jim:

Anyway Hey. Alec Baldwin won

T.C.:

An Oscar.

Jim:

An Oscar for for two minutes in Glenn Gary Glen Well effing earned. He is the bride of Frankenstein. Of Glenn Gary Glen Ross.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I watch Glen

Jim:

He's Glen.

T.C.:

Yeah. He's Glen. Anyhow, what are your what's your relationship with werewolves as far as, like, in fiction? Like, your

Jim:

I actually have a a pretty direct relationship with werewolves. There was a popular role playing game in the nineties called Rage.

T.C.:

Werewolf. Oh, okay.

Jim:

Rage. But Rage is the card game based on Oh, okay. Werewolf the apocalypse. Great. Great.

Jim:

I did not play too much of rage. I think I have a deck laying around somewhere. But I played a bunch of werewolf the apocalypse.

T.C.:

The the Wolfman game. Yeah.

Jim:

And it for people expecting sort it touches on all of the traditional werewolf stuff, but it goes further and frankly weirder with it. And a lot of people write it off because it's it's often derided as eco warrior the role playing game. Uh-huh. But I love it for that. Because in werewolf the the apocalypse, werewolves are are the guardians of Gaia.

Jim:

There are actually several changing breeds is what they're called. So right there's there's werewolves. There are bear werebears Mhmm. Were ravens, sharks, dinosaurs. There there's there's several.

Jim:

Coyotes and coyote or kitsune kitsune count. Yeah. Foxes. I probably left out one or two. But there's there was war the war of war of rage.

Jim:

It happened a long long long long time ago, pre prehistory kind of thing

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Where the werewolves were like, we're the best. And they fought off all the others and said, we're in charge. And all the others were defeated, they're like, fine. Fuck you. And they they're the ones who are going to herd humanity, and they went overboard.

Jim:

Well, I I don't remember if some some explanations of story say they are responsible for the worm going crazy. In their mythology, there is a triad, the worm, the weaver, and the wild. Uh-huh. We are down a rabbit hole

T.C.:

here, folks. You know what? This is on me. I did ask you what

Jim:

your relationship was werewolves. I, I didn't realize I was gonna get this Ted You're right. I shouldn't have. Hey. I played a role playing game in high school called werewolf.

T.C.:

Oh, great.

Jim:

Can you tell me

T.C.:

about it?

Jim:

No. No. The

T.C.:

light is fighting you right now. The the light is shorting out above Jim's head.

Jim:

It is. I'll stop. The the ghost in the in the studio is like, alright. I'll say this. I'm I'm realizing it.

Jim:

I thought I was gonna do, like, a really quick summary of the game. Nope.

T.C.:

Nope. That's alright. I tried to summarize one of our pitches once, and I went on for, five minutes. I was like, I can make a sixty second video out of this. Nope.

T.C.:

But all that keep all that knowledge in your head because I I taking a Wolfman inspector who's hunting Jack the Ripper, there there might be room to to draw in some inspiration from other werewolf mythology.

Jim:

Yes. And Ultimately and and it's it's more that game pulled from all different werewolf mythologies to make it. And the whole the whole reason I started explaining all of that is because I it's what I do. But I had a friend once be like, I wanna play a werewolf in a game. Hey.

Jim:

I got a whole role playing game for you. And I showed it to him, and he's like, not like this.

T.C.:

Aw.

Jim:

This is this is way too much. I just I wanna play a guy who on the full moon loses control, doesn't know what happens, and wakes up being like, oh, no. I murdered some folks. And I was like, well, there's not much of a game in

T.C.:

this. Yeah. Well, that's just you just wanna be a serial killing person.

Jim:

No. I'm but he didn't wanna, like, do like, he didn't wanna be like, I'm the wolf and I go kill. He wanted to wake up and problems have happened. Oh, god. What happened to me?

Jim:

Oh my god.

T.C.:

If in Wolfman

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

The inspector hadn't said or wasn't already like, you're the guy who failed to catch Jack the Ripper. If that hadn't been said, then I would suggest he's hunting Jack the Ripper, this murderer who's actually a wolf man, and it's him. Like, he doesn't he disassociates, and he doesn't know that the wolf that the Jack Jack the Ripper is is literally a wolf man.

Jim:

I thought there was going going to be an insinuation that spoilers for Wolfman from sixteen years ago. There was an insinuation that Anthony Hopkins was Jack the Ripper.

T.C.:

Oh, sure. Yeah. Sure. There wasn't. There was not.

T.C.:

Anyhow, your friend wanting to play killer wolf man who Yeah.

Jim:

He's he wanted he wanted to do the traditional

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Werewolf story.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

There's And that's not what the game is.

T.C.:

Yeah. Looking looking at just, the the the past, like, twenty twenty five years of of werewolf and Wolfman movies, there's Ginger Snaps is in 2000. Brotherhood of the Wolf was, like, a French wirefoo, kung fu.

Jim:

Not werewolf. It's not a werewolf movie.

T.C.:

Okay. Eighteenth century France. Right? It's Yep. The isn't it they're, like, mysterious beasts.

T.C.:

Aren't are there

Jim:

that wolf? There's a beast. Yeah. That the main character and his sidekick are hunting. Yeah.

Jim:

And they hunt it down. Yeah. And it's not a werewolf.

T.C.:

Oh. Well, this list is wrong.

Jim:

It is.

T.C.:

Dog soldiers.

Jim:

In fact in fact, it's it's it's technically much more mundane. Do you care What? I just care if I spoil Just brotherhood the wolf? Is The Wolf of Wall Street not a werewolf movie? Oh, T.

Jim:

C.

T.C.:

Oh my god. It is. Oh, okay. Okay.

Jim:

It's a it's a it's an unofficial sequel to Teen Wolf.

T.C.:

Okay. Thank you. I was gonna be mad. Yeah. Anyway, Underworld's the best one.

T.C.:

Right?

Jim:

A lot of I think a lot of people think so.

T.C.:

Oh my god. What the hell? Big Fish is on this list. Google is broken, everyone. Gemini is a Was there a

Jim:

dog was there a dog man in in Big Fish? Don't remember. Big fish on this list? I don't know.

T.C.:

What is happening? Ginger Snaps two, Van Helsing, Harry Potter and the Prison of Azkaban. There's a good wolf movie. Brothers where was it? Underworld, lots of red riding hoods, skin whites, but the trick is Is

Jim:

it is Prisoner of Azkaban a good werewolf movie?

T.C.:

He's a werewolf.

Jim:

No. Lupin is well, yes. Lupin is a werewolf, and he's in there. But he he's a red herring.

T.C.:

It's true. Oh, yeah. Twilight, not werewolves. They're not they're shapeshifters who took wolf form.

Jim:

They could have taken other forms? Yeah. If they wanted. And then when other shapeshifters are, like, come along, they're they're all just, like, peer pressured and, like, we're wolves.

T.C.:

It's clarified in the last couple chapters of the final book of the series that they're actually not werewolves. God. I read them. Yeah. It happened.

T.C.:

Okay. Let's let's plenty of wolf movies to talk. Dog soldiers, I mentioned that earlier. Yeah. Love dog soldiers.

T.C.:

Wolf cop.

Jim:

I saw that. Yeah. I should have loved that movie.

T.C.:

I'm such a I'm such a b movie snob. So okay. All this rattling out about all of this, it's enough time for us to sort of back of our head start conceptualizing stuff here. Setting this movie post The Wolfman, we have this this inspector who returns to London, and and let let's let me propose this as our premise for this movie. It's sometime after the events of The Wolfman.

T.C.:

Okay. Has he has this affliction, and he is, our inspector, Aberdeen, is aware of it. He knows what happens to himself, and he's trying to keep that in check. Like, he he takes precautions. He locks himself up like Anthony Hopkins does to to stave off this blood lust he has, and he gets back to doing his job.

T.C.:

He's a damn good inspector, now he has wolf powers. So he can sniff people out and hear heartbeats and whatever sort of super abilities we wanna give him. And the inciting incident of this is a murder of a prostitute that that that's okay. Either it's a copycat or Jack the Ripper is back. Mhmm.

T.C.:

And this is the one that got away for him, and now he is in a position where he can hunt this guy down better than he ever has before.

Jim:

Do we want there there there was a theory that Jack the Ripper moved to America.

T.C.:

I love that.

Jim:

Because if I if I remember I I don't think it was just a fiction thing that I'm recalling because I've done that on this podcast where I have mixed up fiction with actual history. But I believe there there's, like, a theory that he moved to to The US, and I think because I because I think there was a string of murders in New York.

T.C.:

Okay. Great. So we're looking at, like okay. So going off what I know, the most about Jack the Ripper, I know from Alan Moore's From Hell, which is his account of Jack the Ripper. So I'm I'm drawing most of my knowledge of the Ripper from that.

T.C.:

But knowing that,

Jim:

it From what I understand, that's actually a great source of knowledge for you.

T.C.:

Good. And Alan Moore is is pretty savvy when it comes to that. And I know that that is set near the end of the nineteenth century. It's like '18 I think, '18 like, nearing 1890. So and I do know that he had only a handful of victims.

T.C.:

Like, Jack the Ripper was not a a serial killer that murdered hundreds. He murdered five women. Five women that were consistent to his spree. So the idea that he would move to New York after the fact

Jim:

Well, this says several cities, one of them being Denver. Denver.

T.C.:

But we can In the 18 license.

Jim:

We can put it where we want. So So timeline. Three technically, that would be three years after Wolfman the movie. The Wolfman the movie took place in 1891. Correct.

Jim:

So And this this theory amongst some Ripperologists Yes. Said puts him in Denver in 1894.

T.C.:

Okay. So we're looking end of the frontier expanse. Like, we're in the fight.

Jim:

Yeah. That that's the the the Wild West is over.

T.C.:

The Wild West is over. Civil War is long it's twenty years after the civil twenty, thirty years after civil war. Gold Rush is long since dead. It's it's the fall of the American frontier

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

And the settling of what is essentially the industrial era of America is gonna build out of that. It's a pretty cool setting. It it strikes me that it might have similar feel to, like, Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes that that dirty

Jim:

Except with werewolves.

T.C.:

Except with werewolves. Do you like it in Denver? Do or do you like it in New York?

Jim:

I think I like it in in New

T.C.:

York more. Think I think a a string of killings that appear in New York and

Jim:

British werewolf in New York. Yeah. That's the

T.C.:

name of it. Aberdeen's in London, and he's doing a good job despite his affliction. And then a telegram or a a a correspondence comes through that says, it's a string of murders that have been happening in New York

Jim:

Our cousins across the pond have reached out about a string of murders you might find

T.C.:

interesting, Albertine. What do you got here? Oh my goodness. Oh, that seems like the ripper. I guess I'm going to America.

T.C.:

Well, you

Jim:

could leave tomorrow. It's a beautiful beautiful full moon as you cross the ocean. I'll leave. Who's this character?

T.C.:

This is the is the constable general of of Scotland Yard.

Jim:

Okay. I'm a retired. A beautiful full moon. I would prefer to leave after. On the new moon.

T.C.:

On the new moon.

Jim:

Well, the the murders are happening. You know, there's pressing time considerations here. I love this scene. I'm this scene will definitely be in the movie.

T.C.:

Okay. I mean, that let's before we open this movie watching him solve a crime or Yeah. Or, like, doing his thing and utilizing his enhanced abilities. Mhmm. And we show like

Jim:

he's Yeah. It actually it'd probably be pretty quick. Right? We we we not zoom in on, but we we we sweep swoop in on on a crime scene, and he is looking around. We get some of his wolf vision where, you know, he can see motes in Yeah.

Jim:

Motes in the light. His enhanced As as the full moon's not quite here. Yeah. Things are enhanced. He can hear.

Jim:

He's listening

T.C.:

to, like, people whisper.

Jim:

And he he's responses to some of the the Bobbies are is is a little more snappy than they need to be. He's he's he's he's more animalistic, but he he, like, he pulls it under control, and he's able to point out for whatever reason, there's there's suspects there. He's like, it's that guy.

T.C.:

Instead of the other, or at least being aware of, like, the evidence points to a, b, and c. Yeah. And like

Jim:

And then if you'll excuse me, I I need to retire.

T.C.:

I'm gonna go

Jim:

Something so I need to leave. I I I gotta I gotta go.

T.C.:

Don't look at me. And He he points you in the right direction, and the bobbies fail, the guy flees. Oh, okay. And so then in the night

Jim:

Oh, you're wanting, like, a full werewolf chase.

T.C.:

Yeah. Why not? Like, or maybe not a full wolf out.

Jim:

So here's here's why I don't I I I'm thinking I like the idea that he's using what he can of this power to enhance his Yes. Investigation.

T.C.:

I don't want a wolf chase. I don't want a wolf.

Jim:

Can't be like, he can't go full No. No. Wolf.

T.C.:

Yeah. I don't want him to do that. I'm just, like, send the Bobbies after the suspect and the suspect. Go just having a chase sequence, a running foot chase to to start the movie out.

Jim:

Okay. I I I'm back on board. It is him. And he he does use some of his enhanced wolf stuff because then he's the one who catches him. Like, the guy gets away from all the other bodies.

Jim:

Yes. He catches him, and he almost thrashes him right there. Right? He almost, like like, maybe Specter. Maybe even bites him, and and, like, he, like, tosses him down or knocks him out.

T.C.:

He doesn't fully wolf out. No. He's just like

Jim:

But but really close. Edge. Really close. Okay. Because I'm on board.

Jim:

Yeah.

T.C.:

Okay. Good. Because I I think something that might be worth exploring and adding the the some lore of of Wolfman of of werewolves is that they only turn in the full moon. Yeah. And then there's other variations that they can lose themselves and do it anytime.

T.C.:

Or, like, that they have some sort of control over it,

Jim:

or

T.C.:

if they they basically incredible Hulk. If they get too angry, they turn into the wolf. Maybe maybe we add that to this where, like, if Aberdeen's, like, going after this guy and and he starts getting wolf, like, oh, I'm just thrashing him, and then he, like, stops

Jim:

himself from changing or not. My my instinct, my thought is to stick with the curse as it was presented strictly.

T.C.:

Great. Okay.

Jim:

They change on the full moon. The movie did show us that right. Lawrence Lawrence did start showing did start getting enhanced abilities days leading up to the full

T.C.:

moon. Mhmm. So we know he does have his wolf like tendencies at all times.

Jim:

Yeah. Well, no. Not at all times. The closer it gets to the full moon, the stronger so I I guess it could be at all times.

T.C.:

You know, you're right. Yeah. I see what you're saying that when it the closer the moon, the stronger it is. But yeah. He he points the them in the right direction.

T.C.:

They fail. He chases the guy down, and he apprehends it before he murderizes this guy.

Jim:

Mhmm. And so he hands him over, and we see him retreat to his safe room. His estate. His his his home.

T.C.:

He wouldn't have an estate. He's an inspector. He's not wealthy. Yeah. That he he returns to the safety of his home.

T.C.:

He lives alone. Like, he he carries this curse as a a lonely man. And then having okay. We understand. We can see what he is as a good inspector who's struggling with this curse, and it's working for him.

T.C.:

He's he still has, like, scars from his encounter, which presented in this vision. Those clear up. That's right. They did. Yeah.

T.C.:

He he doesn't have scars because Benicio but the nice thing is

Jim:

So so instead, we we do a a flashback montage?

T.C.:

We we don't necessarily have to do that. I I think presenting this movie as a entirely diff its own thing without requiring it to be a sequel. It is a sequel, but it doesn't have to we don't have to

Jim:

see sequel. Is the place we do it. As as he's struggling to get home, we we have we have a memory montage of the pre of the the bits of the previous movie of him in it. Yeah. And and where he got attacked, and what happened to the one that bit him, and how he was left.

T.C.:

Just a Mhmm. And whether

Jim:

or And not he's still carrying the cane.

T.C.:

Whether or not we Knife? Sword? He had the well, he had the the silver cane.

Jim:

Yeah. Well, yes.

T.C.:

The the silver headed cane.

Jim:

Yeah. Yeah.

T.C.:

That also has a sword in it?

Jim:

It didn't have the sheath. It didn't have the rest of the cane. It was, like, literally, they were if they were running around with just the sword, but we it's fine if he has gets the cane back.

T.C.:

Well, okay. So Abrolene has Abrolene has the vision of we get our yeah. This is how it happens, and he's putting water in his face, looking up, and seeing the sun setting and and locks himself in his closet for the Yeah. For the night until he wakes up the next morning. We see him go to work.

T.C.:

There's a there's a message in from the the con

Jim:

this again. Oh, we're gonna go chat. Here

T.C.:

we Gets this notification about

Jim:

Murders across the pond.

T.C.:

The pond. And do there's you never caught Jack the Ripper. This does seem like his MO. It's it's it could just be a copycat, but do you want this case? And, of course, he's gonna be like, you're goddamn right.

T.C.:

I do.

Jim:

I quibbling. I don't think it's offered to him. I think he wants it. They're he's he's thought, oh, the the Americans will take

T.C.:

care of it. It's their problem. Oh, I see.

Jim:

It's their problem whether it's him or not. Mhmm. And he's like, no. This is this is my case.

T.C.:

This is mine.

Jim:

So he's going to go.

T.C.:

Okay. Great. Yeah. That's a good quibble. So he he hops a boat, heads to New York, and we've got that's our opening of the movie, essentially.

T.C.:

We've we've introduced everything here. So the Oh,

Jim:

I just realized I I am the one who suggested doing the thing that I hate when movie franchises do it. Going to New York City because we're we're what's bigger than New York?

T.C.:

Except the bigger than the Big Apple. Take a bite out of that Big Apple.

Jim:

Damn

T.C.:

it. We can go to Denver. No. No. No.

T.C.:

We can literally go we can go to Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Jim:

There's there's such little towns at that time. Okay.

T.C.:

I have a curiosity here.

Jim:

Did you know that bear attacks were still happening within city boundaries in the early twentieth century in Milwaukee?

T.C.:

No. I did not know

Jim:

that. How that's how small and still close to the wilderness Milwaukee was.

T.C.:

Should Jack the Ripper be a were Be

Jim:

a bear.

T.C.:

Werebear. Werebear. Actually, that is my question.

Jim:

If we wanna tie it into underworld or Van Helsing.

T.C.:

That's my my question is, do we want Jack the Ripper to have any what other supernatural things do we want in this movie? Do we want Jack the Ripper to end up having some sort of Jekyll and Hyde ism or or some ability himself? Or or should he just be this good at being an evil human that

Jim:

My thoughts Yeah. Are are sorry. You

T.C.:

That that a Wolfman versus versus this guy is still a good fight.

Jim:

That's that I'd I like that more. I about Wolfman suggested other things would be in there. I feel like it gets it starts getting too fantastical and starts moving away from horror if it's all like, and now you meet another monster. And especially if we start inventing monsters.

T.C.:

Sure. My my only

Jim:

yes. There's a tradition of where we'd introduce Frankenstein or Dracula, but we're not doing that.

T.C.:

Right. I don't I don't

Jim:

wanna I don't do Here's here's what I think. Jack the Ripper is very clever. He will be the Moriarty to ab Aberline's homes. Mhmm. And he will find out that Aberline is a werewolf, and he wants it.

Jim:

Oh. He wants he doesn't see it as a curse. Yeah. So he's trying to a it's a cat and also cat.

T.C.:

He's instigating this, like, he's he's he's baiting Aberlind.

Jim:

And and he's trying get close enough to him Mhmm. To get him to attack him, but not kill him. Right. Because he wants the power. Because there is a night when he's in New York that he gets loose.

T.C.:

That Aberlind gets loose? Yeah. And so

Jim:

oh, yeah. There's then there's all of these headlines, and now the cops are they they don't necessarily finger him for it. Mhmm. Only he

T.C.:

accuses people with alibis.

Jim:

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. He really does. But, like, because he's a visiting cop, essentially, they're friendly enough with him because we'll have a whole scene where he introduces himself.

Jim:

And they're like, we think we well, we got this handled. And then there'll be a murder and like, and then he'll offer some, like, excuse me, fellas. I think this

T.C.:

What do think? Mister mister Scotland Yard wants to tell us how to do it here in New York. Okay. Go ahead. What do you got, mister Scott?

Jim:

And he tells them a thing like, here's a here's a clue, and then they're like, oh, that's actually pretty good. So but he ingratiates himself too. Sure. Endears himself, and so they're willing to share information. So they've they're like, oh, turns out there's last night, crazy string of dog attacks or or something like that.

Jim:

And he knows, it was me.

T.C.:

Oh, crap. My hotel closet sucked.

Jim:

Something like that. Yeah. But it's through that that Jack the Ripper finds out

T.C.:

Catches out. About him. Do you do you think that maybe Jack already had an like, was in maybe an inclination that that this was a fact already? That he did bait Aberline before this ever even?

Jim:

I don't see the through line to make that

T.C.:

Plausible? Yeah. Okay. That's fine. I I if Jack I never thought in a million years you'd come and come and try to find me.

T.C.:

But now that you're here, I couldn't be more pleased to find out there's so much more about you than I ever realized. Like Yeah. That sort of revelation of Yeah. Like, Aberline closing in and revealing a little too much of himself and Jack being like, wait a minute. Well, well, well, what have we here?

Jim:

Jack the Ripper thinks himself as a predator. Right? Like like, as an apex predator kind of thing. Mhmm. And here's the fool who who'd been chasing the fool that initially he angrily didn't like him because essentially he chased him out of London.

Jim:

Right. So even though he never caught him, he left London because Aberline was getting too close.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jim:

But and and here he shows up, and initially, he was furious. Mhmm. But that's also why he finds out because he was like, I found out you were here, and I was I came looking for you, and I was going to kill you. But now I see you've brought me a gift.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. Something something like that. Yes. Yeah.

T.C.:

Back up a beat then. Mhmm. The investigation of the murders up at this point, and maybe even Jack has gotten six. He only got five originally, and now he's gone beyond that Sure. Sort of thing.

T.C.:

And he's he's he's better than ever, and the it's just too consistent. It is him. Mhmm. And Aberline knows. He's like, it is him.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

We can fictionalize Jack here, but it doesn't we don't have to stick with the notion. Sure. Yeah. He can even, like I don't see why why he couldn't essentially at least what he considers sign his work.

T.C.:

Sure. Okay. Like, leave a calling card

Jim:

of sorts. Yeah.

T.C.:

Let's think of he gets there the first night. He he gets he sees the the evidence they have for the murders that have already occurred. It's been weeks since the last murder, and he will strike again. He does strike again, so now he has a fresh crime scene to look at. The moon is approaching, and needs to, like, lock himself away.

T.C.:

How does he get unleashed into the city? Like, what goes wrong that Aberlion

Jim:

Oh, that that first time?

T.C.:

That like, that that gets him out and and wolfs out in the city, plus he's gonna wake up under a bridge or something to realize what he's done.

Jim:

So my thought is back back home, he it's it's not a it's not his closet. He set up a system. He's there there's an old unused cistern under his building Mhmm. Mhmm. That he locks himself Yes.

Jim:

His I don't know that he owns the building, but nobody comes and bothers, especially with all that banging and stuff going on down there. I say this building's haunted, I may tell you. I hear all sorts of noise coming from the basement every now and then. And I figure he tries to find something like that similar to that in New York City. Mhmm.

Jim:

And when and and he does. And some New Yorker comes along and and messes, like, what's going on in here?

T.C.:

Yeah. First one to get mauled. Yeah. The having that happen, now we have now we had another murder last night.

Jim:

Actually, right near your building.

T.C.:

It's a but it wasn't the Ripper this time. We got a whole new problem. It looks like some sort of wild animal tore this thing apart. It's not it's not it's not the Ripper. It's not Jack

Jim:

the But

T.C.:

now we got another problem.

Jim:

Tore through town, Killed, like, five killed five or six people.

T.C.:

Well, now so do you wanna help us with that investigation as well, mister inspector? Mister inspector, you Go. Go. Sure. That is ultimately gonna go nowhere because surely he's not gonna get loose again.

T.C.:

Right? TBD. When does Jack put two and two together? He because he is he gonna witness The Wolf?

Jim:

It probably should be pretty soon because we're we're we're almost half hour in a in a movie here.

T.C.:

Yeah. May okay. I'll throw this out that that Jack is our like, has gotten his next murder in. Aberline is investigating. Jack is we also need to discuss how much we see a Jack before he's revealed to Aberline.

T.C.:

But watching and waiting, seeing Aberline work, and he's ready to murder Aberline. And and as he's approaching his hotel or wherever he might be, he witnesses the wolf busting out. It's like, hello. Hello. What have we here?

T.C.:

And then bears witness to this rampage in the night, and that he witnesses that.

Jim:

Do you think what do you think of Jack the River having come to America, adapts the local accent

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And becomes a police officer.

T.C.:

Now, you know, funny enough, I thought there there was a potential here for us to put him in immediately, that he is one of the cops that is literally working side by side with with Abilene from the get. I don't I think that's a spoiler by casting because of like, there's if we're thinking actually producing wise, Jack is probably You wanna put yeah. Known. Yeah. Yeah.

T.C.:

That's not a bad like, pitch off that a little bit of the idea that he's there the whole time.

Jim:

Well so it basically that that way, rather than it being coincidence of this murderer sees the Wolfman running around He was on his way to kill him. Yeah. So Yeah. But oh, sure. That that's that's not bad.

Jim:

That's I kinda like that. Oh, I do kinda like that. But being able to put it together that that first night that there's this string of animal attacks Mhmm. And it seems like the first one was so near his apartment, and he just just sort of is kinda able to make that leap and, like, where were you? You seem pretty disheveled

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

This morning. And

T.C.:

I told you, only I accuse people who have alibis. Rock solid alibis. There's a

Jim:

You learned that from me. It's me, inspector. It's your favorite killer.

T.C.:

Okay. Do you like the notion of Jack has shown up to murder Abilene and then witnesses the Wolfman.

Jim:

That's a that's a decent reason for him to be there and to see it happen.

T.C.:

Sure. Okay. Good. The the notion that these this grizzly animal attack occurred so close to Aberleind's location does put a little bit of a spotlight on him. We do have a an element from the from Wolfman in the tradition of this retelling of this story from time to time again that we could insert here to help Aberline, which is a love interest who would be his alibi.

T.C.:

That that no. No. I I I I tucked him I saw him tuck in that middle of the night. He was in his room the whole time. I can swear enough sack of bibles.

T.C.:

He was not he was not anywhere near. Like, if if we create a romantic interest in here, now we have a target for Jack the Ripper, someone who could defend Aberline, give him an alibi, whether whether she believes it or she's lying for him. It is a a character that's easily inserted here to help us without being and then and then and then having a butt or however to use the South Park Boise's terminology

Jim:

Sure.

T.C.:

Of this character that immediately takes a liking to Aberline because of oh.

Jim:

His accent.

T.C.:

That's a

Jim:

sexy accent.

T.C.:

Well, there could be okay. Let's let's walk down this rabbit trail for a She takes a shine to his accent. She's like, I always love that accent. She could even say something early about being endeared to that axe accent accents previously that she's already been targeted and met Jack the Ripper. Maybe, like, that because he I like the notion that he adopts the Brit the New York accent and hides in plain sight kind of thing.

T.C.:

I don't I don't want him to be a cop.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

And maybe Okay. May maybe I'm throwing too many threads out right now. So

Jim:

I I I feel it's almost too coincidental if Jack the Ripper had already been targeting the woman that

T.C.:

Takes the interest.

Jim:

Yeah.

T.C.:

She he could take an interest in her after he Yes. Okay. Okay. Agreed.

Jim:

It like like a a very a very narcissist trying to subsume the life of of the of the person you're obsessed with.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Like, the way I see he go he's he's like, okay. I know Aberline. Aberline? That Aberline. Aberline.

Jim:

Yeah. Aberline is staying here, and he's making his way up the building or whatever. And then suddenly, this werewolf bust loose and he he hides with another tenant in this building. And they're hiding around the corner in the dark or something and the werewolf's getting closer. Jack the Ripper, like, cuts them and throws them into the hall.

T.C.:

So the werewolf out

Jim:

of them. The the the wolf man attacks them, kills them, and Jack is, like, feet away watching this happen. Eyes wide, just, like Fascinating. By alien. Like Yeah.

Jim:

And then and then and then, like, he fades away before the

T.C.:

wolf makes him into

Jim:

the shadows. Yeah. And and and, like, turn turns to yeah.

T.C.:

And then he launches into the night to

Jim:

to then we we probably get a back and forth of getting a bit of Wolfman's rampage second rampage, I guess, and Jack getting to go through Aberleind's stuff Mhmm. And see how he's been living. Why second rampage? What?

T.C.:

Why second rampage? Oh. Yeah. This that's okay. I don't don't don't be don't be deflated by this.

Jim:

Because I thought it was the first rampage that got his attention. But

T.C.:

I think all this works for

Jim:

why would he know why would he know that a a British inspector has come to the city?

T.C.:

Jack the Ripper? Yeah. Because he's good at what he does. He he kills this this he kills his next victim, and he likes to watch the he likes to watch the the investigation with glee, and then there he is. No way.

T.C.:

Is that my old friend Frederick? What is he doing here? Oh, I'm gonna have to kill him in his sleep and then showing up to be boom. And I like that idea of, like, hiding with a tenant and slicing his wrist and throwing him to the wolves. And then he he like, my my my, inspector, you're full of surprises.

T.C.:

I think that all works still. It doesn't need to be a second rampage. It can be that first one.

Jim:

I'm almost on board. I don't feel like it's enough time to establish the love interest to be intertwined enough for Jack the Ripper to target her as a weak spot. Fair. If Nor for her to come to his defense.

T.C.:

Well, we can we can back this up. He is he gets to New York, and we establishes he he establishes his presence with the New York Police Department, and he says, show me everything you got on the the past six, seven case murder cases that all that you think is connected to this serial killer. Okay. Now I'm gonna I I

Jim:

have Also, I think that's another thing. I think Aberdeen's the only one that thinks it's connected. Scotland Scotland Yard. Mhmm. It's did we heard about these murders?

Jim:

Oh, it's Jack.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

It probably isn't. That's a long way. And he's been gone for shelters. No. It's him.

Jim:

I gotta go. Right. And he goes, and New York is all like, it's it's a murderer. This happens.

T.C.:

Yes. The and and he just says, show me your serial killer. Yeah. Show me what this is. Yeah.

T.C.:

I know. I so now he has about two, three weeks to do all this investigating before the next full moon anyhow. Two weeks. Two weeks for sure.

Jim:

Wait. It Two weeks is a four is it two weeks is every full moon?

T.C.:

It's just a matter of of he crossed the ocean to get here. But hear me out. Is that that is enough time for him to to get comfortable at whatever hotel he's gonna be staying

Jim:

I was wrong. It's it's every two week that's full to new, so it's four. Yeah.

T.C.:

He it's time to get comfortable at his tenement building or hotel or whatever he's gonna stay at. And meeting her the minute he checks in, our love interest, there's about a month for them to interact. And in in the midst of this few weeks, that's when the next murder happens. He goes to that crime scene, and that's where the shadow sees him and says, my my my my old friend Frederick.

Jim:

The the the the timeline works. The the beats we've put into the story, that's more my concern. We didn't we we have not I was unaware of how much movie there was between him arriving and and these things happening. It seemed like it was gonna be pretty

T.C.:

quick. No.

Jim:

Yeah. So I didn't know what I didn't see any any space for a a love interest to blossom.

T.C.:

And and I've made space for it. You have. We this movie doesn't have to have a breakneck pace. Keeping it under two hours would be fun, but that's neither here nor there. I think just

Jim:

letting That puts Jack coming for him maybe at the half half hour forty five minute mark.

T.C.:

Yep. I think that's a

Jim:

That we that we first meet our villain?

T.C.:

Yeah. Well, there there's a question that I asked earlier that we can come back to. Do we want the audience to see Jack ever? Do we wanna see hints of him? How much of a perspective are we gonna allow the audience on this character until he's introduced?

T.C.:

Because it we can go a couple ways on this. I, for one, like the idea that we don't see him until he is showing up to murder Aberline. And

Jim:

Okay. So to that end, maybe we don't even know he's showing up to like, he's not, like, holding a knife the whole time. We're just suddenly following this new character going into Aberline's building on the very night Yeah. That he's doing this. And maybe it's not until he's hiding in a corner with someone And he kills pulls out a knife and he

T.C.:

Yes.

Jim:

That like, who is this psychopath? It's the ripper. Yeah. And even if

T.C.:

the audience has already figured it out, it's fine. Congratulations. You were smart enough to put two and two together.

Jim:

Although, don't we need a bit more of of him almost a la silence of the lambs to understand why he's like, it's you. You're you're still chasing me, and I'm I'm gonna kill you. Oh, you've got this curse, and now I'm fascinated. So I'm gonna hold off on killing you. I

T.C.:

see constructing or building up Jack a little bit more so we understand him as a character as to why he would do this. The way we could go about doing that is getting glimpses of him operating. Like after we see the opening where we

Jim:

I guess shadowy over the shoulders of him seeing news articles and stuff.

T.C.:

After the opening where we we see Aberline in London and we establish all that status quo, before we jump to him returning to work and getting the report, we cut to the streets of New York, it's night and a shadowy figure stalking a woman and watching her get murdered. And then cut to back to London where reports of the murders of the New York City.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

So that coming you had mentioned Sands The Lands, Buffalo Bill is is sprinkled in.

Jim:

Yeah. That's why. But we don't get, like, a clear view of him until until later.

T.C.:

Yeah. I I think that's fun.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

He's a presence. We know he's the threat. Like, we're not hiding him. Yeah. We're making it very clear that's who Aberlion's coming to find.

T.C.:

That's this is our bad guy for the movie. Getting him in it with as a shadowy figure. We can even see him again as the shadowy figure. Like, okay. I pitched seeing him murder a woman as the end of our intro of this movie.

T.C.:

Aberline gets there, we see all the evidence, and then that next murder, the first murder that happens while Aberline is there, we get to see that as well. We suddenly see another woman walking alone. There's a shadowy figure. The audience knows what's coming, and we give him a bloody, grisly death.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

Then is the investigation the next morning.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

And alternatively of scene revealing him truly, I think you're right, where he's in the hallway and he shoves

Jim:

the that

T.C.:

that poor schmo at the wolf. Alternatively, when Aberline's at the investigating the fresh murder, pulling way back to the rooftops, and that's another spot that could rid him or out of the shadow steps. But that could stay a shadow a shadowy figure as opposed to seeing his face for the first time.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

So the knight Aberline gets loose loose because of a

Jim:

Oh, and actually oh, that that's the motif so that we can identify him when we do reveal him in that in the in that corner Yes. Is the knife. Yeah. Right? We we only see him shadowy earlier on, but we see a clear view of his weapon of choice.

Jim:

Yeah. So then when he's standing in this in this corner with this this other person Mhmm. And he's he's like, okay. So he pulls out the knife and

T.C.:

And that's how we know.

Jim:

Yes. I So he put the face with the knife.

T.C.:

For later, two things. One, are we gonna have a wolf on wolf fight? Think about

Jim:

that. Short short answer, yes. We had it Because the first

T.C.:

he has his weapon, his dagger, his knife Mhmm. Aberlion has the cane that he's made a cane that we know is his sword. Oh. So we could have ourselves a blade fight later in this movie too. Before they both wolf out, having a confrontation where they're fucking trading blows with a blade fight, I think is one one fight scene that then is escalated by

Jim:

we'll fight. That way the blade actually does something.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Right? Because it was they pulled it out as a blade. I don't I don't did anyone even take a swing at anyone else? Think so. No.

Jim:

Oh, no. One. Because he Anthony Hopkins kept kept using it using the cane as a weapon. Mhmm. And then eventually Lawrence pulled it out, and he took one swipe at his dad Yeah.

Jim:

Who backed away from it, and then Lawrence ran away with it.

T.C.:

But that's that's third act stuff. Aberline busts out rampage. Jack sees it. My. My.

T.C.:

My. The oh, the the the NYPD is like, we have another set of we had an animal attack last night. We got a whole new set of problems here right by your place too. Oh, no. I can I can attest he was in his bedroom?

T.C.:

He sees he's an innocent man with a with a great accent.

Jim:

The Oh. Is the reason that they don't what do you think of maybe this is is too many bits. They don't suspect Aberline because that murder that took place there, Jack cleaned it up.

T.C.:

Oh, okay. Yeah. Like,

Jim:

tend After after he's like, oh, you're a weird wolf monster? Mhmm. And then he goes into his apartment. He's, like, sporing. He's, like, during that whole montage.

Jim:

Yeah. Like, he all of his plans change. I'm not just gonna murder ab Aberline. Yeah. Something else is happening here.

Jim:

And so he goes and he cleans this murder up. Mhmm. So they never come to investigate that here.

T.C.:

Plus, they would assume it's an animal. They would they they there would be it wouldn't be like, what man did this? They would they would assume it's a beast that did it. A a wolf or a tiger or something. Fair.

T.C.:

But Aberline's on high alert now because he knows he did it. Yeah. And they they list off the bloody attack, and he knows, wait a minute. The first attack happened there. Why didn't they say that?

T.C.:

And then when he goes back, it's clean. And that's when he's like, what is happening?

Jim:

Why So the one other detail. So if he's going to find if Jack's gonna find out about Aberlean on that first night, is Jack the one who opened the lock?

T.C.:

No. No. No. No. I I love the idea that some idiot, just some New York shithead was, like, messing around.

T.C.:

Here's the pounding, hey. Well, you having a problem in there? Something was going on. Like, I'll fight you. You're being too damn loud.

T.C.:

I'm trying to sleep. I'll kick your like, just some idiot who does it. And that

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

Jack witnesses, I think, is much more fun. I think there's much more interest in that as opposed to Jack curiously, what is this?

Jim:

No. No. It well, it it would be because he opens up his apartment. So it it would change from a secret holding place to he's just in whatever apartment, hotel room, whatever Aberlin is is chaining himself up.

T.C.:

Yeah. I I think And Jack

Jim:

goes in to kill him and through with opening the door, that's kinda how he gets out.

T.C.:

No. I okay. I don't know. I like the other way better. I like the that that he has found a spot to hide and chain himself away.

T.C.:

Okay. And then he gets out.

Jim:

The boiler room under the building.

T.C.:

Yep. More or less. Yeah.

Jim:

And These are loud pipes.

T.C.:

Because the idiot janitor goes down there and

Jim:

now Hey. What kind of werewolf's down in my ruckus room?

T.C.:

I knew it. The cops say, oh, we have this animal attack, and there wasn't we still haven't found the ripper. And then Airline returns home, like, distressed because of everything's gone wrong real fast. Sure. And Jack reveals himself right there.

T.C.:

Hello, inspector. So good to see you again. Like, just walks up to him and says, here I am. What do you think of that?

Jim:

I want to change it slightly.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

I I I'm imagining something like, I know apartment buildings don't really have this, but something some sort of receiving room Mhmm. Down front. So the love interest is having tea, and she says, oh, ab inspector Aberlin Aberlin, welcome back.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Please come in.

T.C.:

A fellow British person.

Jim:

Something like that. Yeah.

T.C.:

Yeah. Love your accent.

Jim:

So then they're having all three of them are having tea together.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

And Jack makes very clearly reveals he doesn't just he doesn't say, I'm Jack the Ripper. Right. But, like, he says, I think we ran across each other ran I think we ran across each other's work in the old country or something like that.

T.C.:

Yeah. Because oh my gosh. Because the audience knows who all these people are. Yeah. And then we're just waiting Frederick.

T.C.:

To see

Jim:

him realize

T.C.:

Who he sees.

Jim:

Who this is.

T.C.:

Yeah. This poor woman sitting That

Jim:

that becomes the oh, like, so maybe he's then about to to, like, leap up and do something, but Jack somehow insinuates if you do any like, I don't know if it's, like, a tapping his knee with his knife or something.

T.C.:

But it's like, you do anything right now, she dies. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah.

T.C.:

Maybe we should have oh, do they have the full conversation right there in front of her? Like, I would love to learn more about what you do.

Jim:

Oh. Oh, maybe.

T.C.:

And she's oblivious because she had to be smart enough. Maybe? I mean, that's a fun that's a fun scene to try to write. How do you have a full conversation that subtextually is, I know what you are, and I wanna be it too. Right?

T.C.:

Yeah. But, oh, I hear you're inspector. Oh, you're you investigate. I love I've known that about like Mhmm. That's that is a fun, challenging scene to write where that's the full counter entertaining.

Jim:

It could actually be fun if if Arlene's even trying to get him to, like like, oh, we we've we've run across the others run across each other's work. I'm an inspector. What sort of work are you in? Like, trying to get him to

T.C.:

out himself in some way. Murder.

Jim:

Yeah. Yeah. And well, I I myself am amateur sleuth, and maybe he just dodges it entire. Mean, something like that. I'd I'd I as well like this this idea.

T.C.:

I I'm an artist. I am a painter or a photographer or something. Yeah. Like, I use like, even even going so far as we're talking about trademarks.

Jim:

I'm a student of human behavior.

T.C.:

Like, old school '18 or eighteen nineties photography, like, is left behind. Like but something like that that they yeah. I I that's I love that that I've come across York, and they right then and there and then Jax is like, well, I'm gonna leave now, but I really hope we run across each other again. Oh, we will. Maybe I should walk you out.

T.C.:

Oh, please. Don't bother yourself. I can see myself out. Like, he's gonna get away, and and Frederick can't do it. Like, Amberline's like,

Jim:

I wanna kill you right here

T.C.:

and now, you son of a bitch. And oh, thank you so much, madam. Your hospitality is extraordinary. It has one of the best tea parties I've ever had. And then he goes away, and now it's all out in the open.

T.C.:

Yeah. Where do we go from here? We're gonna find out after this break.

Jim:

How's it going, Sam? As a good a

T.C.:

place as any for us to take a break right here. So, gonna take a quick five for us and a quick minute for you. We'll be right back after these messages from our wonderful network. Oh.

Jim:

Did you hear that werewolf?

T.C.:

Well, how do you know I was a werewolf? You could've been a regular wolf.

Jim:

Never mind.

T.C.:

Alright. Okay. So Jack knows that Aberline is a Wolfman.

Jim:

And Aberline knows that Jack knows and knows who Jack is or what he looks like.

T.C.:

And Aberline's job here in New York, why he's come here, what he's helping these New York police officers do is catch this serial killer.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

Put an end to this murder spree. The animal attack is secondary. They'll deal with that in their own as long as there aren't any more animal attacks, we should be okay. Either this needs to be linked together or stopping a serial killer and animal attacks coincide in the end Mhmm. Or they can be wrapped up individually TBD because two things need to occur now.

T.C.:

One, Jack needs to get wolfed. And then two, they need to try to kill each other. And I suggested a knife fight or a blade fight, and then ultimately a wolf fight. So those as I as I'm thinking right now, those are the big things that need to happen in this this latter half of the movie. Now that everything's on the table, now Aberline knows what Jack looks like.

T.C.:

He's finally seen the face of his enemy. He knows what he smells like. He can hunt him down. Maybe we're we're just after the full moon, so he's at his weakest as far as his wolf powers are concerned.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

So it'll be easier for him to try to find Jack the closer he gets to the next full moon, and that is also the next opportunity Jack has to become a wolf. So that seems to me to be our next big beat that we have to get to.

Jim:

Sure. So it's not it it's it well, technically, there is a clock, but it's not one that they can beat, sort of. I think what happens this entire next month, it's not fun and games. That's not what not what exactly what it is. But Jack, through his enthusiasm, basically ramps up his killing.

T.C.:

Oh, yeah. To keep keep to just witness the investigation.

Jim:

To Also study to taunt to to study Aberline, to taunt Aberline Yes. To all all of this.

T.C.:

And what he gets out of it is I I have two I

Jim:

have a suggestion. But first

T.C.:

of all, I'll finish my statement here. He gets to see how the abilities progressively get stronger. Like, is studying his victim. Oh, you know, he he didn't seem to be smelling very well this first murder, but three days later, his nose is sharper. I have deduced that's

Jim:

Unless unless what we would do instead is this next month is much more cat and mouse where Jack is taunting Aberline because he's trying to figure out how it works.

T.C.:

The yeah.

Jim:

Like, all all oh, that's

T.C.:

That's what was saying.

Jim:

But but I mean I mean, even more directly. Like, they have another confrontation within the next week after that first meeting Mhmm. And Jack, like, kicks the crap out of him, and and is like, come on. Where is it? Change it.

Jim:

Show me.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's great.

Jim:

Some something like that.

T.C.:

Get yes. That's great. Like the may I I do like this notion of beating the shit out of him and show me the wolf. Show me the wolf. Mhmm.

T.C.:

Maybe that's where the blade fight happens. Maybe. But ramping up the murders, so he's basically killing every three days or so to to taunt him, to to

Jim:

I mean, like like, would he would he be would Amerlene be so pushed that he would say, I can't. It's the moon, like, to to his enemy? Mhmm.

T.C.:

Or how how does Jack come to learn, oh, it's triggered by that? Well, in this universe Uh-huh. Werewolfism is a known thing.

Jim:

It's a superstition.

T.C.:

It's a superstition, but the notion of a werewolf does exist in superstition in this world. So and Jack is from London, so it's not like Okay. So he he might be able to put this together way faster if the notion of werewolves don't in fact, that could be part of their conversation Okay.

Jim:

Then maybe he doesn't need to do he doesn't need to study maybe he yes. Yes. I see. You're you're I cut you off. You were saying maybe this is a part of the conversation the secret conversation.

T.C.:

Yes. That they have right in front of

Jim:

Yeah. That's that's good. I like that. So then so then it is just a month of taunting him.

T.C.:

Mhmm. With some more women being murdered.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

What do you think about the this might be two. What

Jim:

do you think Yeah. About within that month, the police also start to suspect Aberline? Because, yeah, you weren't here for the first bunch. Mhmm. Maybe you're a copycat.

Jim:

Yes. Because there's been a lot more now.

T.C.:

Get giving us a secondary antagonist in that, I think, is a good idea.

Jim:

And you know a lot. You you

T.C.:

You're getting real good at these crime scenes. Yeah. Like, from the get, maybe one of the cops.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

Almost like dokes from the first season of Dexter is like, I don't trust you for a second. Everyone else likes you, I don't. Surprise, motherfucker. Sunrise, motherfucker.

Jim:

I love that. I love that montage.

T.C.:

Anyhow, yeah, having having the the tables turn on him after another murder on a second murder. Like, it's okay. This is out of hand. Now the murders are escalating. You are way too good at these crime scenes.

T.C.:

Where were you? What's your Yeah. Alibi I wasn't even in the I wasn't even in the country for the first few. Yeah. Well, then maybe you're a copycat.

T.C.:

And now we got two murderers running around. You ever think of that? Maybe because I'm thinking that. And then and then that's where the love interest could come in to be like, no. No.

T.C.:

I can I can account for his whereabouts? You've I've. Sure. He's a he's a great tenant and and a lovely man, and and he no one cares more about catching this killer than him.

Jim:

The whole time, I really was just imagining Emily Blunt from Wolfman. Yeah. But for whatever reason, when you said he's a great tenant, I immediately imagined, like what what's the the the orphan keeper in Annie? Miss Hannigan? Or or or

T.C.:

It's miss Hannigan.

Jim:

The the the woman in the stage version of Sweeney Todd or just

T.C.:

It's miss Lovett. Yeah.

Jim:

Just just He's a lovely man. Yeah. Just this this Leave him alone. This woman you would would not imagine as a love interest.

T.C.:

Yeah. That's funny. It is Helena Bonham Carter who's playing this role.

Jim:

Yeah. Well then, okay, then she could be a love interest. But

T.C.:

having him booted out of the NYPD, like, out of here. We don't need your help anymore.

Jim:

So I realized he probably would be there only as a consultant.

T.C.:

Yes. Absolutely. So He's not he's not he has

Jim:

no honor his his Get

T.C.:

the hell out of here. Yeah. Okay? This has gotten worse since you've gotten here. Don't want We

Jim:

do things different in New York.

T.C.:

We don't want your help out here. Big Apple.

Jim:

Big New York City over here. It's modern day New York City. I I don't necessarily know that they would say get out of here, but I like the idea that they start suspecting him.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

So they're definitely gonna be wary of of Werewolfing. Anything he tells him. Werewolfing. Werewolfing. Yeah.

Jim:

That that that's the conclusion one always jumps to when you suspect someone of anything. But also what they'll they'll still start watching him.

T.C.:

Yeah. But in, like, having an like, you know, maybe maybe you shouldn't be walking around on your old loathsome here.

Jim:

It's a big city. You can get lost. The

T.C.:

having him having a murder start unfolding that he can chase Jack down. Having having a like, it's nighttime. We see the beginnings of what is gonna be another Jack, the ripper a ripper attack and Aberline and him. Like, foot chase happens a little similar to what we saw at the beginning of the movie where we know he's a man of action. We know he he's in unfamiliar cobblestones here, but he can chase this man.

T.C.:

And then Jack gets the jump on him and our scuffle begins. And he's like, show it

Jim:

to me. Come on. Where's the wolf? Scratch me. Bite me.

Jim:

Come on. I know what you are.

T.C.:

And then then our dagger fight can our blade fight can happen here.

Jim:

I thought we put that wait. I'm lost now. What

T.C.:

Okay. The revelation, the conversation happens, they get separated. What where where Right.

Jim:

Conversation, and then the month of murder begins. Yes. And and And in that month of murder, he's like, hey. The murders are gonna be like this. Hey.

Jim:

They're they're like You know

T.C.:

too much.

Jim:

You're yeah. And you know too much. We don't trust you anymore.

T.C.:

We now suspect you.

Jim:

And you're saying then the the blade fight happens.

T.C.:

Yes. Like, actually Everlane actually gets a jump on Jack, which is all just Jack's ploy because he wants to cat mouse him. Then we have our corner him fight scene, scratch me. Come on. Show it to me.

T.C.:

Show it to me.

Jim:

I wanna see it. Show me the wolf. And And it happened?

T.C.:

I guess it has to happen here. Yeah. Because we need Jack to get scratched. Is this is this the moment for it to happen? A month has gone by?

Jim:

Yeah? Yeah. So is it gonna be he gets scratched and then changes immediately? That isn't how this works. Which means another month needs to needs

T.C.:

to go by? Yeah. Yeah? Is that too much time? It it seems like too much time.

T.C.:

But I don't I I don't know if there's any other way for us to go from this point to this point without

Jim:

I mean, technically, that much time passed in Wolfman as well. They've got more.

T.C.:

Yeah. They just breezed through it. So maybe that's fine.

Jim:

So, yeah, I I guess The the the the blade fight happens. Mhmm. Jack, his Jack is winning Mhmm. Despite having, yeah, Jack I I think I think Jack is winning this fight.

T.C.:

Mhmm. Beats the he's just beating him, beating the tardrum.

Jim:

He's like, show it to me. Come on. Show me the wolf. And then gets him into the moonlight.

T.C.:

Mhmm. Aberlin changes. Yeah. We get

Jim:

to see a full wolf. Jack is is elated and terrified at the same time.

T.C.:

This is our first we actually see the first full on screen wolf out. Up to this point, it's all been we haven't seen it. And this is this is well, Jack stands there.

Jim:

I mean, we did see the wolf man attack people in the earlier

T.C.:

Yes. Montage. We're seeing human to wolf transformation for the first time fully in the movie. Rick Baker, greatness is happening And Jack is like, there he is. Yes.

T.C.:

Yes. Yes. And then now he's got freaking werewolf he has to fight. Mhmm. How does Jack get his way out of this?

Jim:

Oh, well, he has to get hit at least once, and he starts getting overwhelmed. What do you think about this might be too ridiculous. He throws himself off the roof.

T.C.:

He literally leaps to his seeming, like, like, jumps into the river kind of thing?

Jim:

No. Not no. So I'm just if that's already too high of a height, come up with something else. But my thought is he leaps off the roof. Aberline is already being watched by the police at this point.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

So this body falling from the roof gets the their attention.

T.C.:

They see Wolfman.

Jim:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now they sort of like we got in the first one Mhmm. We get a chase.

T.C.:

Yeah. So the the the constable not the constables. The NYPD are foot chasing after this beast thing.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

Yeah. I like that. Yeah. That's a good bit of action. Air Aberlin has to get away.

T.C.:

Jack, like, throwing himself off a roof to, like, hit the ground. Wherever he lands crashes. He's he's messed up. He's got the cut he wants.

Jim:

Yeah. That's right. So he's not even have to worry about being convalesced. Mhmm. He won't even need to convalesce.

T.C.:

Yeah. He's going to heal overnight. Yeah. Like, or at least over the next couple nights like Benicio did in the first one. We know sorry.

T.C.:

Talbot, to to use Lawrence's his his guy his wolf name. His werewolf name. And then do our NYPD meet their untimely end because they cross paths with a bloodthirsty wolfman? I think yes.

Jim:

And so then we then the next month is these animal attacks are serious business because that's a a person.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

It's a big old person, wolf person.

T.C.:

It's a wolf person. Yeah. Yeah. It's a beast man. It's the Jersey Devil.

Jim:

I can't believe the Jersey Devil crossed the Hudson and came over here

T.C.:

and he's messing up our people.

Jim:

Who who retreats into the New York subway?

T.C.:

Yeah. Oh, man. Getting them like, having a subway sequence in the late nineteenth century in New York is pretty fun.

Jim:

Because I I think the subway was started

T.C.:

Oh, certainly. At that point. I forget I forget exactly how old. You know what?

Jim:

It's it's older than I think most people think.

T.C.:

I am willing to accept men turning into wolves, but I'll be goddamn if you get the subway system wrong in New York City. You bastard. Cancel the movie. Get out of my office.

Jim:

I I take blame. I take the blame.

T.C.:

You can't believe you ruined that for us, Jim. Subways, man. Anyway yeah. Too early. Having a New York City subway sequence with the wolf, that's how he escapes.

T.C.:

And now Aberline wakes up, and our love interest is there. She she's he's he he did get messed up.

Jim:

He had shot.

T.C.:

Ripper got some good hits in him. Even after he wolfed out, he, like

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

He he sliced them pretty good. And for as durable as this wolf man is, he's pretty messed up. And so when he comes back into his human form, our brave love interest is there helping him. What do think of that? Because now she's definitely putting herself at risk.

T.C.:

Like, she's in more risk

Jim:

than suggesting she saw Yeah. What what's going on? Yeah. She loves him anyway.

T.C.:

Yep. She loves him anyway. It's that accent, man. Yeah. Have you heard a British accent?

T.C.:

I have. It's hard to say no.

Jim:

It really is.

T.C.:

Yeah. I I was

Jim:

That's right, governor. I think you're real pretty. Anyone ever tell you that? Oh my god. I'm in love.

Jim:

Take off your knickers. It's like music. It's like music to my ears. Alright. Alright.

T.C.:

Okay. So she she's like, I I I don't care. I've seen what you are and I know you're a good man. I I know what's in your heart. You're a good man.

T.C.:

No. I'm a beast. I'm a bad man. I'm a wolfman. Ma'am, I'm a wolf man.

T.C.:

I'm a wolf man. I'm a wolf man.

Jim:

So The so while we were watching wolf man, the I I I should have forced the jokes in, but the jokes I wanted because we kept saying stuff like, Wolfman. Mhmm. I just wanted to, like I wanted Anthony Hopkins and Bernice del Toro to call

T.C.:

each other wolf son and wolf dad. Wolf listen, wolf son.

Jim:

You're you need to be a stronger man, wolf son. It's like Don't tell me what to do, Wolf dad.

T.C.:

It's like team Wolf. Yeah. Son, open the door. Oh, dad. And

Jim:

and that doesn't fit anywhere here. Okay.

T.C.:

So we now have a month. We have a month for Yep. Aberline to heal from his wounds.

Jim:

So Aberline, technically, we we could there's a way to make it so that they don't necessarily know the police don't necessarily know he's the werewolf.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Or maybe they do. Maybe maybe they see the transformation or I The Wolfman. Or they put they put Two and Two together Mhmm. Because whoever was supposed to be watching him, he's not in his apartment when this happens.

T.C.:

Yep. Yep.

Jim:

So he's a he's a person of interest.

T.C.:

Mhmm. I think the

Jim:

I mean, he already was a person of interest.

T.C.:

Well, now he's even more so. Yeah. He APB get this guy arrested.

Jim:

Very interesting.

T.C.:

VIP person of interest. The the secondary antagonistic detective New York cop Mhmm. Who didn't like him from the get go is sort of validated in in having the information of, I we now think Aberlaine is this beast. Whatever cash whatever costume he's wearing or if he literally has some sort of supernatural wolf powers, he's our guy, and I was right all along. Let's get this guy.

T.C.:

And now Aberlaine has to be going hiding. And how is he gonna catch and I'm saying this Mhmm. Rhetorically. How is he gonna catch Jack the Ripper if he can't even go out in public now? He's he's as much of a wanted man.

T.C.:

He's more of a wanted man than Jack the Ripper.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

And he has a month to prepare.

Jim:

It's it's Both of them have a month

T.C.:

to prepare. It's so odd that we have this takes place, of course, like, four months, but that's just movies, man. And it's it's fine for us to, like, speed speed run through weeks.

Jim:

The first month is easiest because a bunch of that is at sea.

T.C.:

The okay. This month Mhmm. This is our lowest point if we're looking at screenplay structure here.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

This is an opportunity to slow it down. We have our love interest who's like, I understand. I know what you are at your heart. We have an opportunity here to divulge backstory and exposit and really shine some moonlight on who is this man. Who is Frederick?

T.C.:

He these are conversation moments, walks along the river. She could take him upstate to her her cabin in the woods kind of thing. Mhmm. Just like away and letting him show us who he is.

Jim:

She's a true landlord. She owns multiple

T.C.:

properties. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Why not?

T.C.:

But just this is an opportunity

Jim:

to because it's the eighteen hundreds and women weren't allowed to own property. Now I'm out. I walk out now.

T.C.:

You know what, Jim? I I thought of all people you'd know in Western Expanse America, the reason most towns survive were because of whorehouses, and most of those whorehouses were owned by women.

Jim:

That is true. But we're in New York City. What was I thinking? No Irish, no dogs, no women landlords. It's a sign on every building.

Jim:

Everyone.

T.C.:

Every one of them buildings. Okay. Well, we see Frederick and and this unnamed love interest, this woman, allowing him to heal and and confess his sins or whatever have you. Oh. We also see Jack healing.

T.C.:

Jack the ripper is getting he can feel it in veins.

Jim:

I know you said this is oh, no. Because because he can't activate the power whenever.

T.C.:

Jack is very smart.

Jim:

I I was I was gonna say, so maybe we can find a way, that this month now Jack is doing more murders, but doing them in such a way to pin them on average.

T.C.:

Oh, yeah. He's he's he's not doing his old MO. He's Mhmm. Ravage like, ravaging. He's he's savagely killing not just women anymore now.

T.C.:

He's he's adding to the people are gonna forget the ripper murders ever were even happening because now there's these grisly attacks. Maybe? He's in that's not bad. Maybe one or two. Sure.

T.C.:

Yeah. Just just one would be enough to be like, he's still out there killing. We gotta get Aberline, the Wolfman man. Wolfman man. Yeah.

T.C.:

That's not bad that that we I just seen Fredrik trying to get his footing. Like, okay, I have one shot at this. I go back in the city. I either kill Jack, he kills me, or I'm dead. Like, that's this is my training montage, Rocky style.

T.C.:

I have one final fight in me, and now I'm gonna go up against someone who is also a wolf. Like, Frederick understands what's gonna happen here. And then also seeing Jack, like, reveling in his growing strength and abilities.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

Yeah. Because because we know, canonically, what we saw in the first movie, these things activate fast. The sight, the smell, the ear the hearing, we know, like, from what Talbot's response was to the scratch, how quickly Jack is gonna suddenly be enhanced. Mhmm. And maybe and I don't think we need to prolong this section.

T.C.:

This is a pretty a b like, we don't need to this is we don't need spend twenty minutes in this. This is a rather under ten minute kind of sequence here to get us to what's going to be the third the climax of this movie. Mhmm. Where? How?

T.C.:

Like, we want Amberland to win. Right? Yeah. And we want Jack to die. Right?

T.C.:

Yeah. So we need to have ourselves a wolf fight.

Jim:

Or or both die?

T.C.:

I think both die or Jack dies,

Jim:

but I I I do Evil does not win this day.

T.C.:

No. No. And I I do think well, okay. We have a couple options here. I want Aberline to win.

T.C.:

What then he has to get out of New York City. He's gotta go back across the sea before, because people know what he is. People have seen him as a monster. The only way he gets out of this is if he shows no.

Jim:

I was not the Wolfman three, Frederick goes west. He he doesn't

T.C.:

go east. He goes west, baby. Cowboy. But actually, Aberlaine can get out of this because there's another Wolfman. All the murders, everything that they suspected can all go to Jack.

T.C.:

If Aberlaine can face off against this beast in the right way

Jim:

That's gonna be real hard because he's also going to be

T.C.:

a beast. He's also gonna be a Wolfman. So

Jim:

So there are two things one subplot, subtheme that we should probably sew in through this whole thing Mhmm. That we didn't.

T.C.:

Go on.

Jim:

Go Go bit. Once Jack gets gets the curse Mhmm. I think he gets a hold of the cane.

T.C.:

Great.

Jim:

Okay. So because Yeah. That's right. Cane is the the it's the symbol of the curse.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jim:

And and yeah. Okay. Great. So even though Abberlain still has the curse Mhmm. It's been passed.

T.C.:

Yes. I like that. That's a fun fun little thing.

Jim:

The other through line is the the element of mysticism. Mhmm. We have not done it all. The first movie used gypsies. True.

Jim:

Yes. We don't have to use gypsies again, but what would be another folk magic that

T.C.:

could be invoked? Well, we are in New York. We're in we're in the portion of America where there would be Native Americans. They aren't thriving like they were centuries earlier

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

But there would be remnants of Native Americans, and that could touch on I'm gonna say Wendigo, but that's not true. Like, skin walkers. Skin walkers. Skin walkers of of native American folklore. I don't know native American East Coast, native American folklore well enough to know if skin walkers are more Midwestern or Western.

Jim:

No. They're they're they're definitely there in Appalachia.

T.C.:

Okay. Great. So there we go. We have we have some American mysticism that can be touched on here. Maybe even our love interest when when she takes him away from the city visits a reservation and and friends there, shamans or

Jim:

That's why maybe that's why she so confidently says, I know I know who you are in your heart. Because she has a path to address this. And maybe he's given something like a medicine bag to hold back the curse or let him keep his mind Yes. During the curse.

T.C.:

Some something like that. She could even have a a native American blood in her. She could be a quarter, some right Okay. I don't know if that's necessary, but I love the idea of getting getting to a shaman of sorts, a a someone who can discuss the folklore while he's in that section of him healing and and and understanding who he is, having an experience a conversation with someone who is like you are you may call it a werewolf where you're from. Here we call them skinwalkers.

T.C.:

And there are there are those among us. And maybe even the person he's talking to could could possibly just subtly indicate that they are a skinwalker themselves, and they've they

Jim:

So maybe skinwalkers are are a weird thing to invoke here, and it's it's a weirder bit of mythology to because it's it's not just skinwalkers. Oh, they're werewolves and and things like there there's more to them. They are

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

More sinister. I'm fine with us using that. I I I I only wanna make this note here in the episode. I'm fine with us using that as shorthand to get to where we need to go. Sure.

Jim:

Were this chosen for the final result, I'll do some proper research and find the proper

T.C.:

Great. Terms. Cool. I definitely don't wanna be disrespectful to this culture and this I'm not trying to tokenize.

Jim:

Honestly, we've already said the words too much. They're probably already stalking us.

T.C.:

So The the skinwalkers? Yes. Oh my god.

Jim:

Yeah. Awesome. No. We're we're gonna die filthy.

T.C.:

Oh, damn it. So does Aberline return like, willingly return to New York with a a focus that when he's the wolf, he'll keep his mind just enough so that when they confront each other, he has the wherewithal to to to to do just enough so that the Jack the Ripper is is the who gets all the blame is put upon him? Like, does does Airline have yeah. Does he keep his mind? He keeps the mind in the fight or just enough of his mind?

Jim:

Do we want that is because we wanna have a werewolf fight. Right? Yeah. So it, yeah, it it should be something that keeps his mind and does and doesn't just sub oppress the curse entirely.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

I mean, short short answer, yes. What you said, yes. How does he do that?

T.C.:

And where does this final fight take place? Like, there's the the

Jim:

The top of the Statue Of Liberty.

T.C.:

Top of the Chrysler Building. It wasn't a wolf that killed the man. It was beauty that

Jim:

killed the beast. Could be Wall Street. Wolf Wall Street.

T.C.:

Oh my god. Hey. Did you see the new Wolfman movie? I don't know if you caught this. The final fight was on Wall Street.

T.C.:

It was literally the Wolf of Wall Street. Isn't that great? No. That is not great. Oh, man.

T.C.:

Everyone who can't understand tone is listening to this right now going, I can't believe they think this is a good idea. Okay. Let's let's we know what gonna do. He's gonna return to New York and find Jack the Ripper

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

Kick his ass, and and make sure everything's pinned on him for everything that's happened here. We know that's what Aberline wants to do. So let's talk about Jack the Ripper. What is Jack the Ripper gonna do? He is he's been waiting.

T.C.:

He can feel his power growing. The full moon is coming. He knows the wolf is about to come out. Where like, what's his plan? He's like, oh, what is my opus gonna be?

T.C.:

I'm about to unleash hell on this city. I'm in town with a few weeks to kill. Where where is he gonna go?

Jim:

I don't know. He's gonna go to Whore Alley and kill all the whores. I

T.C.:

I asked it in hopes that something would jump to you. Whore alley was that what I expected you to you leave you it's going to Times Square, the red light district itself. Yeah. It's weird. This just comes down to and I I know I'm asking this multiple times to tell Yeah.

T.C.:

Yeah. Where does this final confrontation occur?

Jim:

I don't I don't know. Times Square?

T.C.:

Yeah. Times Square is pretty good. Like, to it's even at the time, it'd be a very public place. Kicking each other's asses through this town in 1891, '92.

Jim:

Wait. Wait. You know, 1890 it's it's still eighteen nineties, but it's later.

T.C.:

I I suddenly have a set piece thought for our finale. Okay. New Year's Eve, New York City, the turn of the century. 1900. 1900.

T.C.:

Does this I mean, what Okay. What what better target for Jack the Ripper than and now I don't know if the ball dropped in New York City like it does now in 1900. That's probably worth a googz real quick here. But what do you think of that? That the the this this final fight is gonna take place above the celebration of

Jim:

the turn of century. On New Year's Eve.

T.C.:

We can we can someone's gonna check us on that and go, there wasn't a full moon on 12/31/1900.

Jim:

It was a it was a waning gibbous.

T.C.:

1890. It a waning gibbous. Above, like, just a crowd of people celebrating the New Year, is that a good final set piece maybe? You think of that while I Google if there was a ball drop?

Jim:

I'm I'm trying to imagine what what specifically what the image would be. Right? Like, we have the the two Wolfman howling and slashing at each other, silhouetted by the moon behind them. Are they on top of a building? Are they on top of a bridge?

Jim:

Do we put this on a bridge? New York has lots of bridges.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

That way we could even do maybe the murders aren't even pinned on Jack. Maybe just the fight ends there with him

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Knocking him in the water. Classic villain went in the water. Mhmm. Must be dead.

T.C.:

Well, no. We're killing this guy. But I have some good news. Okay. Alright.

T.C.:

In 1899 into 1900, there was no ball drop. The traditional ball drop as we know it in New York City, file this away for your future bar trivia information, started in nineteen o seven. In '19 oh, sorry. In 1899, the area we now know as Times Square was still called Long Creek Long Anchor Square. People traditionally celebrated the New Year by gathering near Trinity Church in Lower Manhattan to listen to the bells ring at midnight, or attending concerts and fireworks display at various parks.

T.C.:

We have a big old church with a bell that could be a fun and fireworks going off. Mhmm. I know it's it's more or

Jim:

less Orchestras playing out

T.C.:

in the out in parks. It's it's it's kinda similar to what I was suggesting of having, like, a Times Square New Year's Eve drop. Uh-huh.

Jim:

I you said it was Long Long Park? I thought

T.C.:

Long Longacre Square was what Times thought Square was

Jim:

Times Square was five points.

T.C.:

I mean, I'm I'm going off of the broken Gemini answer Google gave me.

Jim:

I guess it could be the same thing.

T.C.:

I wish I knew all that information without looking it up and just so I sounded super smart.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

We don't have to do New Year's Eve, but it does kinda give us a pretty cool final set piece for the final confrontation bringing together our two wolves, our suspecting detective. We could even go so far as this. Final fight, there's a big target for Jack The Rupper to go to. Mhmm. Whether it's this Times Square or not Times Square.

T.C.:

It's the New Year's Eve drop. Aberline shows up. The fight is happening. Our detective character is also in attendance trying to Mhmm. Find this.

T.C.:

Possibly possible suggestion here after the wolf fight is complete Mhmm. And the ripper is killed. Like, Aberlaine's standing there. He's kept just enough of his wits about him that he's not feral. He's he's killed Jack the Ripper and Jack, like, as he's dying, like, I didn't think this was possible.

T.C.:

I've met him, and he turns back to his human form.

Jim:

I have a a bit of an idea for that.

T.C.:

Okay. Good. Hold hold on to that. He turns back to his human form, and there's our detective character, gun drawn, ready to and he's aimed at at at Aberline, and he lowers the he he he also can see

Jim:

You done good, Wolfman. Like, You done good.

T.C.:

Alright. If you leave and never come back, as far as I'm concerned, this is the man who did everything, and I'll make sure everyone knows it. That's not great dialogue, but that's essentially the idea that our detective character is willing to let Aberline go back to England.

Jim:

Alternate suggestion. Okay.

T.C.:

Alternate suggestion.

Jim:

Where we'll fight fight fight fight. Aberline delivers a a a fatal blow. It doesn't kill him immediately. Yeah. But Jack has also done terrible damage to Aberlin as well.

Jim:

Mhmm. Our our our I forgot what you named him. Our our Bullock, our lieutenant Bullock. Yeah. Our For me, every detective who doesn't like it, it's always Bullock.

T.C.:

It's always Harvey Bullock from Batman. Yes. So our our detective New York detective.

Jim:

He's he's on the prowl. He's trying to find what's going on. He's following the vestiges of this fight. Mhmm. And we don't this might not be as satisfying.

Jim:

We don't see Jack die. Instead, we follow the detective as he's following footprints through the snow. These these the the this blood falling out and these big wolf prints through the snow. And as they're going, the wolf the the the wolf prints are changing back into human. Yep.

Jim:

And he finds dead at the end of this trail Jack Jack the Ripper Yes. Clothes all torn up, and the the wolf the the wolf cane sword, like, stuck through him

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And dead dead, like, in an in an alley or something like that. Okay. And so he got his man. Meanwhile, Aberline jumped on down the other side of the building or something Mhmm. And, like, gets away.

Jim:

And we don't I I don't know how to how to finish that. But, essentially, he gets away with I don't know why I'm thinking Molly.

T.C.:

Our love interest.

Jim:

The love interest. Yes. The love interest, and she she hides him in in in in in stuff. Mhmm. Fade to black, cut to black, whatever.

Jim:

Next day, whole wolf murderer found Caught. Yeah. What what were thought to be animal attacks were actually

T.C.:

Jack the

Jim:

Ripper. A crazy a crazy man. Not necessarily Jack the Ripper.

T.C.:

Murderer brought to justice.

Jim:

Yes.

T.C.:

Rampage over.

Jim:

And and and it's revealed that our detective is having a meeting, whether it's a breakfast or they're at the precinct with Aberline, who is, like, arm in a sling or something like that. Mhmm. Maybe even with the love interest there with him, and they're talking, and they're having a kind of veiled conversation. Okay. But I'm like, it's real good that all of these crimes have have come to a close.

Jim:

We've we've figured out who did it. Mhmm. It's all done now, and you have no reason to be here anymore. Yeah. Like like that that kind of thing?

T.C.:

Yes. A very it's an indirect leave town.

Jim:

Yeah. I know what you did. I I know what you are. Yeah.

T.C.:

I know what you are. I know what you did, but I also know how what you I know that you helped this stop. Like, yes. I love it. Yeah.

T.C.:

So like Another a

Jim:

sick Not even necessarily, like, I know you did good. Yeah. More more like, I can't prove any of that that you did that, because it all points to this guy. That's why it's in the newspaper Mhmm. And all that.

T.C.:

But you have no reason to be here anymore.

Jim:

Yeah. And and I want you gone.

T.C.:

Okay. Very good, detective. Very good.

Jim:

Yes. We have a we have a boat ticket Yep. In in in in an hour.

T.C.:

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. And then is Molly is the name you chose, so we're going with Molly now. Sorry.

T.C.:

Is she gonna go with him?

Jim:

What sure. Why not?

T.C.:

She she has all this property

Jim:

that she she's

T.C.:

she's only female landlord in New York. She's just gonna give that up?

Jim:

For Liv. I thought you would like that.

T.C.:

I don't.

Jim:

Oh, no.

T.C.:

We Boo. Boo. Boo love. Boo love. I think she I think they get a good smooch in, and he gets on that boat and leaves her.

T.C.:

Like, I think I think

Jim:

He tricks her. She thinks she's going, and he tricks her.

T.C.:

He just shoves her in the water.

Jim:

You stay. He thought you were coming with me, stupid.

T.C.:

His posh accent's completely gone. No. No. No.

Jim:

Hugo Weaving, saying that, and doing that. You thought you were coming with me,

T.C.:

Yeah. I think she I think she stays, and he goes that they they they part their ways.

Jim:

Why?

T.C.:

Because she's gonna leave she if if we're truly making her the landlord, is she really gonna give okay. She can go with him. I was I was more why am fighting this?

Jim:

Yeah. I don't know. I was more making jokes about the landlord thing.

T.C.:

Yeah. Happy and good. She goes

Jim:

you said she he's a good tenant. I was really, oh, she's a landlord. Yes.

T.C.:

She goes with him. They they go back to New York together because You go back to London? Sorry. Yes. He they go back to London together.

T.C.:

And, honestly, this works narratively because he did win. He defeated the bad guy. And as far as what his status quo, the change is, he's no longer alone. This is a man who's been alone every step of the way. He did find an ally and someone who, for whatever her character flaw is, can see the true heart of a man.

T.C.:

Mhmm. And she knows he's so he he wins in the end because he has this someone who's gonna stay by his side. Doesn't matter what sort of monster he might think he is. She knows who he really is. She's gonna stay by his side.

T.C.:

They're sailing off into the sunset together.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

And now we're we we've Sunrise. Sunrise together. Yes. Whew.

Jim:

Yeah. Right. Right. Because it's freaking New York City. Well and and they're and they're going east.

T.C.:

And they're going east. Cool. Roll credits. Yeah. Or do we want to scratch anyone to set ourselves up for another one?

T.C.:

Just in so much as it is what the last movie did, I'd and even just minorly.

Jim:

The quick the quick answer Mhmm. Is somewhere in that final scuffle

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

The detect the detective gets too close.

T.C.:

Literally what I thought too.

Jim:

And in the end, after he finds Jack the Ripper

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

That next morning, he has the cane. That is prob that that was what

T.C.:

I thought as well, that it would be him. Mhmm. It's almost too easy because that's exactly what happened with Hugo Weaving in the last one. Mhmm. I do like the cane getting inherited, But I also don't like that.

T.C.:

I think that's I I know I've literally said that's what I was gonna suggest, but I don't know if that's I can't think of an alternative. So if we do want to carry it on, we kind of created a nice way to do that by having him hold keeping the cane.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

But maybe there's another character that we could do that with if we do it at all. I don't know. I'm I'm I'm of I don't have a have like a strong feeling one way or the other. I brought it up because I thought it was worth bringing up.

Jim:

Sure.

T.C.:

But Horror movies I think horror movies tend

Jim:

to end with those cliffhangers not because they are seeking franchise and looking to to make more. Mhmm. That's almost more of a happy accident of just trying to leave the final notion in the audience that the bad guy's not dead. Mhmm. Scary things are still out there.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Good has not permanently prevailed over evil. I think that's ultimately why Freddie's hand pops up out of the grave. All that stuff Jason pops up out of the water. That's why that stuff happens in horror movies, not because they're like, here's the teaser for the next movie.

T.C.:

Okay. Then I'm gonna suggest two things. One, that the detective does get scratched, but it's not brutal. It's just like it's like barely, like, just got raked across. It's not like a bloody

Jim:

Is it is it maybe not like during the fight scuffle, it's literally Jack's last gasp, like he's laying there in the alley. The deck detective reaches over to see if he's still alive.

T.C.:

And he just nicks him. Just nicks him a little bit. And, like and so we could hint at the the carrying of the curse, but also maybe it's gonna be a little different this time because the survival of the curse that we've seen up to this point has been, like, pretty ghastly. And if this is just, what what could that mean? Maybe it's the exact same thing regardless of the the depth of the scratch, or maybe it's a little different science, a little different magic next time.

Jim:

I I like your optimism that a blood curse will will behave differently if it's A paper cut.

T.C.:

Just a light cut as opposed to a Maybe. Yeah. So then I think the detect our detective character is the is ultimately the one who

Jim:

As as long as as the the the Kain is there, even if even even if it's as evidence, like, they're on the table or behind him or something.

T.C.:

Just enough to go

Jim:

To say to say the curse has been passed.

T.C.:

Then my only second option and and Mhmm. Really just throwing out there is that our Molly gets scratched, that she also has the curse now. Then he truly has an equal with someone.

Jim:

My own the my only contention with that is I think it changes the notion of the curse. Right. Right. So in Wolfman, in this this series, in this franchise, the lycanthropy is a curse. It's a it's a magical curse.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Granted, it is passed through blood. Mhmm. But it's it's not symbolic of a blood disease. Right? It's not AIDS.

Jim:

It's not anything like that. Yeah. It's not it's not symbolic of of any other thing. And I feel like if you put two werewolves together like that, if you put two wolf people together like that

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

It it softens what the curse is supposed to be Great. Okay. Too much. That

T.C.:

that's No. No. That's fine.

Jim:

Yeah. Now if if you're like, I don't care. I wanna start a wolf pack.

T.C.:

I'll tell you what.

Jim:

Then b.

T.C.:

Option a, which we will film

Jim:

Uh-huh.

T.C.:

Is detective. Our detective our our detective gets scratched. The alternate ending that we'll put on the Blu ray feature, she gets scratched. There you go. Okay.

T.C.:

Well, we maybe will film them both.

Jim:

And they go back to England and have a pack of wolflings.

T.C.:

And everyone lives happily. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.

T.C.:

Ow. That's what I'm saying because the wolf.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

Okay. Alright. I think we just wrote a whole movie, Jim. I think so. I guess it's now up to Melina to decide if her studio is happy.

T.C.:

If Perfectly Fine Studios is happy with what we've done here. But I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap it up here. So giving you time to think right now as I throw it to Melina and you listeners. What do you think? What how did we do here?

T.C.:

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T.C.:

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T.C.:

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Jim:

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T.C.:

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T.C.:

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Jim:

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T.C.:

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Jim:

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T.C.:

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Jim:

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T.C.:

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T.C.:

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T.C.:

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T.C.:

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Jim:

They sure are sudden.

T.C.:

But finally, a big massive thank you to our godfather, David Geiser for producing this and everything that he does for the network. So check out the other shows like AZP. And thank you everyone who listening. But Jim, anything else before we head off into the sunset? Rise?

T.C.:

Sunrise? No. We're the West Coast. Yeah. We

Jim:

we we can go into the sun.

T.C.:

We can go into Anything anything else?

Jim:

I don't think so. Alright.

T.C.:

Well, then I think

Jim:

It would like, it depends. So this is making a we'll call it a kosher Wolfman movie Mhmm. Where it's it's contained unto itself. Mhmm. If we wanna get universal with this

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And have the ending be, they could mention that they're that where they're gonna go, maybe they're gonna go back to Transylvania. Transylvania. I don't know. Basically, to suggest they're gonna do a crossover, Wolfman meets Frankenstein or or Yep. Frankenstein Dracula.

Jim:

Also

T.C.:

Frankenstein also takes place near near and abouts Transylvania. Well, TBD on that. Maybe we can discuss universal like, a full universe of this as we move into some bonus territory. But as far as this is concerned, we're ending it here. This is the end of it.

T.C.:

Thank you for listening. We'll be back again soon with one of your demands to do what we do, and, hopefully, we do it right and well. That's it. Yeah. The the how are you?

T.C.:

How are How I'm the Wolfman.