Ep. 107: Success on the Mountains, Mats, Business and Life

Sean Zubor is a former professional MMA fighter, accomplished sheep hunter, and the highly successful co-founder of the multi billion dollar sales Stonehaus Realty.  

Standing on the precipice of his next “all in move” Sean shares some of the secrets to his success and outlines a path for the hunting and firearms community to follow to achieve similar heights for their community.  

This is a unique insight into the mind of a passionate and driven husband, father, hunter and entrepreneur whose leadership and dedication to others has been a driving force for good. 

Immediately after recording this episode, Travis and Sean hit record again as it was clear the conversation wasn't over.  Make sure to tune into Silvercore Podcast 108 as the two discuss how to obtain an authorization to carry a firearm and where the future of hunting and firearms is heading. 

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Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader,
and this is the Silvercore podcast.

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That was the case here, and we
decided to press record on a candid

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The underlying goal of the
Silvercore podcast is to share

positivity and highlight people's
passion in a way that brings value

to the audience and each other.

To that end today, I'm joined
by a man whose parents left

communist hungry in the seventies.

Is a former professional MMA competitor,
is an accomplished sheep hunter, has

almost gone bankrupt twice, and is now
the co founder of the multi billion

dollar sales company, Stonehouse Realty.

Welcome to the Silverquart podcast.

Sean Zubor: Thanks for having me, brother.

I'm excited

Travis Bader: to be here.

I am excited.

It was, uh, you know, a couple of
technical difficulties right at

the beginning, making sure we have
a hard drive on scene is always a,

a good thing if we want to record.

Usually helps.

Audio and video.

So before we get things rolling too
far, Like we're talking spit balling

back and forth, all of these different
things that we can chat about.

And that's kind of the, the,
uh, I find the Achilles heel of

podcasting is the best conversation
will happen before a podcast.

And when you press stop, then the
best conversation comes in because

everyone's feeling comfortable.

Yeah, totally.

Right.

And then the other one is if we talk too
much ahead of time, before we get into

a podcast and we feel like, well, we've
already told this story, but there's

one thing that we didn't bring up.

Yeah.

That you and I were talking about
on the phone, which I totally off

topic of really anything here, but
you met somebody pretty cool down at

Venice beach when you're working out.

I want to hear

Sean Zubor: that story.

So long story short, the last couple
of weeks I've been incredibly busy.

So I've been everywhere
from LA to New York.

Sorry, before that it was in
Kelowna, LA, New York, and then

Oregon down getting at the bow rack
at my, uh, new, um, bow there, but.

When I was in LA, I'm like, I've
always growing up as a kid, my parents

obviously have that funny accent.

So, um, my dad's still to this day, you
can barely understand a word he says.

So I always admired, obviously
Arnold Schwarzenegger.

So I'm there.

The only reason, well, I'm there for work,
but the only reason I drive or Ubered

about 30 minutes outside of where I was
staying was just to work out every single

morning at the Venice beach goals, right?

The Mecca of bodybuilding.

So, so there I am just working out,
getting my pump on, looking around,

just flashing back to every single
Arnold movie I've ever seen, he's

plastered all over the thing as long
as well as all the other champions.

And I'm just about to leave.

So I'm literally grabbing a protein
shake from the vending machine.

I look back and I have never been,
I've been lucky enough to meet some

really cool people in the fighting
world and all this other kind of stuff.

Right.

Um, I look back and like a little
school girl that just saw Justin

Bieber or something, I'm freezing.

I can't even like get out my
phone to take the picture.

Cause there comes Arnold with
three of his buddies, right?

One of them, I'm sure is his bodyguard
on his bicycle, just driving it

right up, walking right towards me.

In the Mecca of bodybuilding.

I'm like the reason that place
is famous because of this guy.

And I'm just like, in shock.

Finally, I managed to snap some
shots and what do I do instantly?

I put everything away.

I'm like, can I go back in?

And I start working out with them,
like beside him, like a stalker.

And I can overhear their
conversations and all these things.

He was really nice enough to say hello.

I couldn't take a picture
with him and I don't blame him

because at the end of the day.

You'd never be able to get a workout in.

I'm sure all the 500 people working
out that day would be wanting to take

a picture with them, but I can tell you
it was one of the craziest experiences.

I don't get starstruck
very often, but it's

Travis Bader: Arnold.

It's Arnold.

No kidding.

That'd be a pretty cool experience.

I watched his series there.

Yeah.

Did you watch out on that?

I did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Interesting fellow.

A lot of drive.

Really, really hard worker.

You can tell that it's just been ingrained
in him from his, uh, from an early

age and from his family upbringing.

Uh, glossed over some of the
difficulties that he had, I felt, um.

Sean Zubor: Yeah, for
myself, like honestly, today.

We have a lot of differing opinions in the
world and politics and so on and so forth.

But I I'm the kind of guy that you
can never take away from what you've

accomplished and done and his rise to
fame, what he's accomplished, like, and

that was the biggest, like the biggest
takeaway, like I said, I've been lucky

enough, like I've sat with Dana White
like this and he's a billionaire and

an amazing guy, multiple George St.

Pierre and all these other kinds of
guys when it came to the fighting world.

And I never really had this like, Oh
my God, kind of moment type thing.

Right.

But when sitting beside Arnold,
listening to him, talk to his son,

uh, listening, talk to a couple
other people and just like, wow,

this guy really is flesh and blood.

And that was the biggest takeaway
of that entire meeting, right?

Was.

He'll never remember it, obviously,
cause I'm just one out of the

billion people he's ever met, but.

What if he does?

Oh, that would be insane, but I doubt it.

Well, maybe he would, maybe
he like did a police report.

Cause I was like the stalker beside him.

That's possible.

But, uh, I just, I just remember
thinking the whole time I'm like,

wow, I'm like, he's lifting weights.

Like I am, he's right there.

Like, it's just.

It puts into reality that even though he
is bigger than life in many cases, right.

That it is truly possible.

Like he is, has exact same blood,
the exact same fat, the exact same

muscle, muscle tissue that we do.

It's just what he's done with it
is significantly more than the

Travis Bader: average.

And I like that.

And you know, when I say the difficulties
they talked about, uh, but didn't

delve that deep into, there is.

A tendency in individuals,
humans are negatively biased.

We'll drive by a car accident.

We're rubbernecking to see what happened.

I, I think that's just
an instinctual thing.

So we can look and say, um,
maybe I shouldn't speed.

Maybe I shouldn't do this.

Maybe I can learn from their mistake
and maybe some people look at it and

it's, uh, it's a leveling process.

Well, I guess I'm better
than them right now.

Right.

But there is also a piece to that puzzle
of the difficulties and challenges

that people have and is how they work
through it, because we all are flesh

and blood and those who will strive
for greater things will tend to have

more eyes on them and they'll tend
to fall harder than those who don't.

And you had a really cool
quote on your Instagram.

I've heard it before.

It's by a man who has a,
uh, an elk named after him.

Sean Zubor: Who I just literally
visited his house in New York, which

is where he was born, which was
really, really interesting to see.

So

Travis Bader: I'm going to read this one
because this is what really intrigued

me about our conversation that we had.

We can talk about hunting.

We can talk about a number of things.

You're good friends with, uh, past
podcast guests at Blavois who says.

Sean is a hell of a leader and
talking about leadership in your

role and your work and what you
do as well as in the outdoors

world, in the hunting and angling.

And there, there's a, a need
for people to understand the.

Amount of agency that each individual
has and the effect that each

individual can have on their personal
surroundings and those around them.

And this poem, it's not a poem.

It's just, well, does it rhyme?

Is it a poem?

What would you call it?

It's a.

It was a speech actually.

A speech.

Yep.

So, uh, Theodore Roosevelt, of
course, president 1901 to 1909

has this one man in the arena.

It is not the critic who counts, not
the man who points out how the strong

man stumbles or where the doer of
deeds could have done them better.

The credit belongs to the man who
is actually in the arena, whose

face is marred by dust and sweat
and blood, who strives valiantly.

Who errs, who comes short again and
again, because there is no effort

without error and shortcoming, but who
does actually strive to do the deeds.

Who knows great enthusiasms, the
great devotions, who spends himself

in a worthy cause, who at the best.

Knows in the end, the triumph of high
achievement and who at the worst, if

he fails, at least fails while daring
greatly so that his place shall never

be with those cold and timid souls
who neither know victory nor defeat.

I like that one.

And that is sort of what I felt is the
crux of what you're going through at the

moment and kind of what your journey is

Sean Zubor: taking you.

Yeah.

I mean that, first of all, I wish I had
your voice cause that sounded amazing.

Second of all, um, yeah, that's
basically been more or less that

type of mentality has been something
that has really stuck with me.

Um, So Theodore Roosevelt, along with
many others, and I've kind of found

myself along this has really got
into like stoicism and it's, and it's

understanding our place in this world,
understanding where, and it's not a

religion, it's just understanding that
today is just today and we cannot take

ourselves too seriously, but we can
also not take ourselves too lightly.

Right.

And unfortunately, a lot of us get
stuck in this thought process of we are

who we are today based on our past or
where we are going to be in the future.

The reality is, is some of that is true.

Of course, you know, the way you
look, the way you act and what you do.

It does reflect a lot of what
you have done in the past.

However, um, the past is done.

It is no longer here.

It's a complete illusion.

Tomorrow I could get hit by the bus.

We could hit, hit by an asteroid.

So if I'm looking for happiness, if I'm
looking for something that's going to

fulfill me based on an accomplishment
in the future that may never come right.

So.

And I feel like, and I, what, what
he talks about really in this poem

or in this speech actually, is he's
talking about the fact that we allow

ourselves to criticize ourselves.

We allow ourselves to criticize others.

We, we get whatever we do
get affected by others, the

thoughts and opinions about us.

Right.

Instead of taking all that in
ourselves and just creating action.

Right.

And jujitsu, for example, which seven I've
trained together for, we're not together,

but that's how we actually met each other.

Um, they have a saying
that they say all the time.

It's like you either win or
you learn and that's about it.

There is no losing, right?

Your loss just teaches you
something to do better.

And unfortunately this day and age, and
this is really when it comes to this

leadership aspect, this day and age, we
are looking for instant gratification.

All of the time.

Right.

And it comes to everything even in like
the hunting and, and whatever you may be

looking at, you want to compare yourself
and, and it's difficult for like my

boys my age or that I have, for example,
they're eight and four years old, hunter

and Jack and Hunter looks at YouTube and
he's telling me like he wants to watch his

macros and he wants to whatever, and he
wants to be a YouTuber and he wants to get

this and jacked and so on and so forth.

So obviously, do I
promote healthy lifestyle?

Of course, but it is.

We are constantly
looking for affirmations.

We're constantly looking for
positive reinforcement, and we're

comparing ourselves to what most
of the time is not even reality.

Right.

Majority of the things we
see on Instagram, all these

other types of things.

A, they're filtered their hair, you
know, or it is their peak of that

person's personal conditioning ever,
or, you know, they're flashing.

And this is one thing I talk about
all the time, people that have done

well financially, they're flashing
all their watches and their cars.

And 90% of the people that I know that
do that don't have a pot to piss in.

You know what I mean?

Like they're leasing all of it.

Whereas a guy that I know is
legitimately a billionaire, you

would never know from the, you know,
meeting him, he's driving a, uh,

1990 something, you know what I mean?

So yeah, this is, this is kind of that
poem's just really where that speech is

really something that's resonated with me
and that type of mindset of action first.

Um, obviously it's thoughtful action, but
action first, don't let other people judge

or, or really guide you unless you are
looking for that specific guide, right?

It's unless that's somebody
that's a mentor, maybe a mentor.

Um, I don't give a shit generally
what people think about me.

Right.

And it's not something that it's like,
I only care what I think about myself.

That's not the case.

And do I have to listen if
I'm doing something wrong?

I care about what the people that are
close to me think about me, right?

Because obviously that's a reflection
on how I'm treating them and how I'm

at, uh, what I'm offering them and
what I'm giving back to the world.

But in general, if I was continuously
looking at what other people's

thoughts of were me or about me, sorry.

I would be all over the map.

You know what I mean?

Travis Bader: Some people want me to.

Yeah, you'd be paralyzed with indecision.

Exactly.

Exactly.

There's, um, flew into Smithers and you
can always tell the anglers, they got

their, their rods and now they make, uh,
ones that can pack down pretty small.

So it's getting a little
bit tougher, but, uh.

Uh, older gentleman there and he
had some, uh, old Patagonia luggage

and Patagonia gear he is wearing.

And yeah, definitely looks like an angler.

Anyways, I was meeting with a, um,
buddy of mine and he owns a, uh,

uh, Esquina Spey Lodge up there.

And we're, uh, over dinner,
we're talking about some stuff.

He says, Oh yeah, you know, the owner of
Patagonia is actually up here right now.

He just flew in.

I'm like, Oh, what's his name?

And he gives his name.

And I, I should know his name, but I
forget like, can I see a picture of him?

I saw him on the plane,
he was on the airplane.

And you would never know it.

This guy owns multi million,
billion dollar company, clothing

company, and he's wearing like gear
that hasn't been made in years.

And because there's a different
motivator there, there's something

that motivates an individual who is,
um, just trying to impress others to

the one who has something a little
bit deeper that's driving them.

And I've seen, I've seen people
who are highly successful in life.

And there's, there seems
to be a common trend.

There's one where people come from
backgrounds of, um, affluence and

influence and they're kind of born
into it, but the ones who really

kind of go are the ones who.

Weren't born into it.

And I don't know you very well, but I
get the sense that you've had to fight

Sean Zubor: for it.

Yeah.

So definitely.

So I've always been ambitious as a
kid, but my mom's an esthetician.

She's just retiring.

My dad was a long haul truck driver.

Um, both of them fled communist
Hungary in the seventies.

Um, I was born in Edmonton.

My dad worked on, at NOSCO, um,
driving truck on the, on the oil line.

On the oil rigs.

So no, I've never, I wouldn't say I
was in poverty or anything like that.

They were always hard workers and they're
really the people that have instilled

that hard work ethic, uh, into me.

But, um, I've, I've always had this
vision of becoming something greater.

Right.

It may sound messiahic or something.

I don't know.

It's just always been inside of
me to be very honest now for.

For myself, it's never been
necessarily just because I want money.

It's not, we're briefly
talking about this earlier.

I have lots of people that, a
lot of my friends, coworkers

drive Lamborghinis and Ferraris.

It's not really my thing.

I'd rather go take off for three months
in the mountains and go find me a sheep.

Right.

But, um, for myself.

It's about the same price.

These days, yeah, tell me.

Yeah.

I, I, I'm still too cheap
to go on a guided hunt.

I'm going to have to do
that one day, but, um, it's.

For me, it's, it's about what
I can do with that money.

It's about the constant accomplishment.

It's about the growth.

It's about watching the more that I grow.

Like, for example, when we started the
company in 2017, we had 12 agents, right?

So it was myself, my business
partner and our teams.

And so, and we had one admin now
we have, you know, we're pushing

500 agents, give or take doing
billions of dollars in transaction.

20 odd full time employees.

So...

The scope of what I am
responsible for has grown as well.

So you grow with that, right?

And so where I'm envisioning and
where I want to go next is more

growth to be able to help more people.

And I saw, I know that sounds kind
of weird, but it's beyond this money.

It's creating maybe it's legacy.

Maybe I'm not sure what it
is, but it's this passion that

has nothing to do with money.

And I know that sounds funny because
I have money and I don't mean to sound

like an egotistical maniac, but I'm
not poor, but I feel like as humans,

what we, once our basic necessities
are covered, you know what I mean?

The lifestyle that we want to
live, live hits, it hits a point.

Either we stagnate or we find
another reason to grow, right?

And for me, that growth, the
other reason to grow has been

to help society change society.

Or just have another positive, uh,
outlook, another positive voice out

there, um, for change and what I
feel like we're heading down a little

bit of a disastrous route right now.

Travis Bader: You know,
Rockefeller was once asked.

You got so much money.

How much do you really need?

Asked this by a reporter.

And he says, just 1
more, always just 1 more.

And was he covetous of the money,
um, perhaps, or was it the process

of building that intrigued?

Him to want to continue doing this.

Cause I can see that creation process, but
if you're always looking for the dollar,

like I'm going to be happy when I have X
amount of money, studies have shown there

is, there is a bit of a point, right?

Where money will bring happiness, right?

If you're not eating, if you don't
have shelter, if you don't have

your basic necessities, Matt.

You probably not going to be quite as
happy as if you've got a full belly and

a roof over your head and you're warm and
you're, and you've got these necessities,

but beyond that, studies have shown
that money is a de motivator for human

performance, unless the task is you build
one widget, you get 1, one token, whatever

you build two, you get two money has
a direct effect on Motivator for that.

Anything that requires a level of
creativity or some sort of personal

satisfaction or gratification
that's involved with it.

Money has the adverse effect on the
individual that the more money you want

to throw at that person in order to
create more, be a better artist, right.

It actually has the opposite effect.

Sean Zubor: Yeah.

And I can totally see that for myself,
as I mentioned before, it's, and

it's kind of comes back to that whole
Stoicism, uh, concept is, you know,

if you look at Marcus Aurelius, who's
one of the great Stoics, this guy was

an emperor and emperor of Rome, like.

It's very hard for us in today's time to
fathom the power of an emperor of Rome.

Like he will look at your wife
and be like, that's my wife now.

And that's his wife.

You know, he would go off with
his head and off with his head.

Like it's a different level of power yet.

He literally had to tell himself
daily that I'm just a man.

Right.

That I will die.

Right.

That I have mortality.

That what's the point of being a man if
I'm not doing something useful in life.

Right.

And so one of the, and I'm paraphrasing
because it's saying it completely

different, but one of the things that
stands out that I love about what he would

say is as human beings, we are the only
species on the planet that can wake up and

decide to keep the duvets over her head.

And go back to sleep when a B
wakes up, what does the B do?

The B does B shit.

When a grizzly bear wakes up,
what does a grizzly bear do?

Does.

Grizzly bear is being a grizzly
bear and every other life form.

They're not thinking about tomorrow.

They're not thinking about yesterday.

They don't even have the concept of time,
which is a blessing and a negative to us.

Right.

But we are the only ones.

And so what ends up happening and why
one of these reasons that I've seen so

many people that are depressed, that
are, it, it is not even depression.

It is boredom.

We are not finding
ourselves useful to society.

We are not giving anything.

So we do not feel accomplished.

And instead.

Our society is turned into a world
where we expect the government to give

to us, we expect others to give to us.

We are wanting to feel that we are
taken care of instead of having

this personal responsibility.

And if you generally want to
feel amazing about yourself,

go do some hard shit, provide.

Give and you are going to feel like the
person you're supposed to be, right?

And I think this is probably one of
the biggest issues we've had in the

previous decades is this cultural shift
of Take instead of give and no matter

what you know, I don't know the exact
Percentage but it's incredibly high

It's something like 70 or 80 percent
of the people that win the lottery end

up going bankrupt within five years

Travis Bader: Yeah.

And, and, and more than just bankrupt,
like serious, uh, depressive issues,

uh, uh, substance abuse, um, just
don't know how to handle this.

And this one thing that they
thought would bring them happiness.

Yeah.

Sean Zubor: And, and it's funny, it's
so bad that the fact that the British

Columbian government, once you win the
lottery, they automatically send you

towards people with financial services
and all these other things, because people

are so inclined to blow it all and go.

And the reason for that is it's not
the money that makes you happy, right?

For me, it's not the fact that
I have a little bit of money.

It's the fact of I
created this money, right?

It wasn't given to me.

I know what I had to do.

People always ask me, why do
you like doing this hard shit?

I'm running ultra marathons and, you
know, fighting him or was fighting

MMA and, you know, training and
all this other kinds of stuff.

Why do I put myself through this?

This is, this is what actually
makes you feel good in life, right?

Like I use this as an example all
the time, but when you sit down.

At Thanksgiving dinner with your family
or Christmas dinner or whatever, right?

What are you bragging about?

Are you bragging about, or talking
about the couch watching Netflix?

No.

What are you bragging?

You're bragging about the
accomplishments that you've done.

You went for a run.

I lost 20 pounds.

I did.

Is it the 20 pounds of loss
that makes you feel good?

Sure.

You look better in the mirror,
but it's the fact that you did

shit you weren't doing before.

You ate better, you trained
better, you did whatever it took

to make you a better person.

This is what makes us feel good.

And I feel like, unfortunately,
right now we're relying on the

doping hits and rushes of outside
sources, video games, whatever it may

be, instead of doing it ourselves.

Travis Bader: Well, that's
not really a new trend either.

I was watching, I think it was Dragnet
and this, uh, old, old, Dragnet episode.

And they're one of the guys, I
forget his name, is lecturing the

young whippersnappers about how they
like everything so instantaneous.

You pick up a phone and dial it and you're
able to get a hold of a friend and you

have, you turn on the radio and you can
hear things are coming in right away.

And, and it's.

It's funny how it's exact same
conversation that's happening now, just

with different devices and a different
speed, um, that was happening back then.

Like there is a natural
inclination for humans.

And for creatures in general, whether
that be game animals, there's a

reason there are game trails, because
there is a path of least resistance.

Other people have traveled it.

It's probably going to be safe and okay.

That's the place where
I'm going to set up.

If I'm hunting, it's going to be on a
game trail, people are the same way.

And that level of safety and
security that people will travel down

doesn't lead to great innovation and
what you're pointing out as well.

It really doesn't lead to a great
sense of self accomplishment or

Sean Zubor: happiness.

Yeah.

And just to put it in perspective,
like what you just said, so if you're

the game and you're going down the
game trail, where did you just set

up your, uh, your hunting stand?

You got it.

On the game trail.

So where are you going to pop that
deer or whatever it's going to be?

It's on that game trail.

So it now, are there
obviously reasons and what?

And ways and why you should take
that game trail in life and certain

reasons a hundred percent, but
there has to be a portion of your

life that you can be proud of this.

These are the things that get you
out of depression that gets you

moving one step forward in front that
actually make you have self worth.

And that's really what you
cannot be given self worth.

You cannot be handed self worth, you have
to create that amongst yourselves and I

feel like that is probably the biggest
issue we're having right now and I look at

society in general is, you know, we always
hear that saying good men, uh, what is it?

Well, help me out here.

So hard times make good men,
good men make good times.

Good times make weak men, weak
men make hard times, right?

And so right now we're in a place,
if you look at society in general, is

they've never suffered as a society
in the last 20 years, 30 years, 50

years, really since the Vietnam war,
when there was a draft, there really

hasn't been an extreme hardship.

Now don't get me wrong.

Obviously there's been individuals that
have been on frontline and gone to war

and so on and so forth, but it's never
been forced on the general public.

People do not know what famine is.

People do not hear
anyways in North America.

So we are now searching for
reasons to feel bad about

ourselves, that this is our heart.

This is our generation's hard time.

You know, like, I don't
know what, uh, gender I am.

Look at me roar.

Like this is my generation's hard time.

Right.

And instead, we can, we don't need
to have global hard times, which was

unfortunately, it looks like the way
we're heading in many cases to be

able to make ourselves good men and
women, we just need to continuously

be responsible for ourselves and put
ourselves through these tests and

put ourselves through these tests.

Forcing ourselves to do things that we
may not want to do, but it's a betterment

of not just our country, ourselves,
our family, our society in general.

And I feel like that's kind of
where we've lost in translation.

And unfortunately, this is one of the
main reasons I love coming on these

podcasts and talking about this kind
of stuff is because this is what I'm

trying to help and try to solve if I
could at all, this would be the one,

the one motivating factor that I really

Travis Bader: have right now.

So Jim Shockey was talking with him
recently and, uh, he says, you know, Trav.

I've worked hard.

I've had some pretty cool
stories, great successes.

I've enjoyed it along the way with my
family and I've shared the trappings

of my success with my family.

And I'm wondering if I didn't do
them a disservice, if I didn't do

my kids a disservice of allowing
them to succeed or fail on their

own accord in certain places.

And it was a very interesting
thing that he was talking about.

You work so hard to provide for yourself
and for those that you love those

around you, but are you doing them the.

Disservice by not
allowing them to struggle.

And you're just, you're mentioning,
you know, the, the human struggle.

There's always going to be a struggle.

It's always going to be relative, right?

Um, you could have everything taken
from you and still be happy and

struggling alongside individuals,
just like in concentration camps,

Victor Frankl and his famous quote,
and I've said it here before.

One thing you can't take from
me is the way I choose to

respond to what you do to me.

Last of life's great freedoms is
one's ability to choose your own

attitude in any given circumstance.

But that attitude is going to be, um,
tempered by your past life experiences,

by the social norms of what's going on.

I would think that the, the,
the hardships that people are

encountering perhaps aren't as.

This shouldn't be diminished, whatever
those hardships might be, but they should

be shown a path forward to something that
maybe will provide them with something

that's going to be a more desirable
outcome because, you know, devil's

hands, idle hands make for devil's work.

And when there's too much idleness going
on, I think you find yourself in what you

and I were talking before on the phone,
where you feel that there's a direction

that some of the world might be heading.

That is, um, It's not a
good, it's not a good place.

Sean Zubor: To add to that too.

And I, and I don't like, I'm
not even speaking really even

politically, you know, I'm not the
left, the right, whatever it is.

There are a lot of people on both sides
generally that are going down this

path of lack of self responsibility.

And what I mean by that is, is, you
know, you have the far right, for

example, I'll use them because I'm
sure most people are going to consider

us right in, in, in most aspects.

Right.

But there's a lot of those guys
that are, you know, you would call

conspiracy theorists or whatever.

And even if they write or wrong,
they're looking for, uh, a Messiah

amongst a leader to take care of them.

You know, they're like, okay, well
we need to get rid of this guy.

We need to get rid of Trudeau.

We need to get rid of
all these other guys.

And this guy is going to save us.

Right?

And on the polar opposite, you
have socialists, communists,

whatever it may be, right?

And these guys are like, okay, well,
we need to all be equal and this

person's going to save us, right?

So both sides on many aspects.

Are looking for something outside
of themselves to really save them.

Why do you think that is?

Because it's easier.

Sure.

Without a doubt.

That is the only reason I am generally.

And the reason why I say that is, is
because is there a lack of guidance?

So do I believe in mentorship?

Sure.

I coach tons of people and
mentorship is something that.

I'm, I'm a huge believer.

And I think that's really the only hack
in life is to learn from somebody else

that you want to emulate or be like.

That's a huge life hack.

Huge.

Um, but I also feel like it is a lot
easier to say, Hey, that person over

there can make everything better.

Whereas the reality is I want to
be the man personally, that I'm

the only one that's responsible
for making my life better.

Right.

And so it's a difference in
mentality that I've seen.

And most of these successful people,
like look at the people that have

come from actual hardships, right?

And I'm not trying to
diminish people's hardships.

There's definitely depression.

There's definitely a
lot of things out there.

But if you look at people that have
literally grown up in the streets, I

have a friend of mine that now, um, is
in Kelowna multi million dollar realtor.

He was homeless.

Nine years ago, living
in the streets, right?

Went through, you know,
parents had alcohol abuse,

all this other kinds of stuff.

Like that is a nasty story
to begin with, right?

But he took responsibility for the
position where he is right there.

Obviously that he start.

At a negative, for sure, but him being
on the streets, there's only one person

that's going to take care of that.

And if somebody came along and helped
him off the streets, right, that, that's

always gracious, great thing to do, but
he's gonna end up back on the streets

unless he does something to kind of
fix what originally was that problem.

So I feel...

That's, for myself, it's understanding
that the responsibility is solely mine

is the first step to being, and even
if it, one of my clients, she's, um,

I won't go into too much of it, but,
but she, famous model, extremely famous

model, um, especially within Canada.

So she has a horrific backstory,
horrific, but she's very much into

stoicism and all these other things.

And what I mean by horrific
backstory growing up as a model,

she was raped multiple times, all
kinds of crazy situations, right?

Or twice, she said.

And so she's telling me this story
and she's sitting down with her

psychologist and her psychiatrist,
and they're basically telling her

that, you know, it's okay to cry.

Like, I can't believe he did this to you.

In her minds, in her words,
not mine, they were enabling.

The victim mindset, you
see that a lot, tons.

So what she said to them is she's like,
listen, it never will change the fact that

what these people did to me was horrific.

It will never change that.

They did that.

That's on them to worry about.

That's on their conscience.

That's on them.

Right.

However, if I want to live in peace.

I need to take responsibility
for my portion of the action.

Right.

And so most of us, when she was
thinking, saying this, like, all I

can think about is hanging these guys
by a noose, you know what I mean?

Like, I think most men would
think the exact same thing.

What do you mean take this responsibility?

How could you take
responsibility for getting raped?

Like, how does that even make sense?

But then she says, you know
what, Sean, I was drunk.

I was in bad spots.

I was hanging out with the wrong crowds.

I put myself in this place and
this is what she's telling me.

And she's like, this doesn't
diminish what they did to me.

However.

If I don't allow myself to take some
responsibility for it, how can I have

control going for, uh, going forward
every day, moving forward, I would have

to be like, okay, anybody can attack
me any single time they want anything.

And I would live in continuous fear.

So this was this groundbreaking
moment for me when she's telling

me this, because it makes sense.

It doesn't make sense, but it makes
sense at the same time is that she's

enabling herself to take control.

Simply by the fact that she's enabled,
she's telling herself, well, these are

the things that could have changed.

These are what I'm taking responsibility
for in these parts, which was

something that I'm talking about today.

I've never really forgot ever.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

It's, it's a very powerful tool
for somebody to be able to use

if they want to try and control
every aspect of their life.

But there's also another side to
that, which is the water is going

to reflect your image, right?

Did you make it reflect your image?

Well, maybe you stepped in front of it.

Maybe you have to be there, but sometimes
some things just happen and we just

have to understand that, um, maybe.

As we move forward, having that level
of control will definitely give you,

uh, that sense of control, but in the
same breath, being able to let go of

certain things too, because if you try
and control absolutely every aspect

of your life, you're going to be,
you're going to be a nervous wrack.

Totally.

The victim mentality that's
talked about is one that, um,

that we see a lot in society.

And one of the things that you and I had
talked about before was just, you know,

um, In let's say the listeners to the
podcast, a lot of people own firearms.

A lot of people are in
the hunting community.

A lot of people are looking for that
savior to come out and say, who's going to

be the one who comes and changes the laws
so we can get what we want or makes it so

we can hunt in whatever area it might be.

Empowering the individual to have a
sense of agency as to what they're

actually able to affect around them.

I'm, I'm not entirely sold that
everybody will, uh, wait for somebody

else to do it because they're lazy.

I definitely think that's
part of the puzzle.

But I, I think there's a lot
of people who are also afraid.

They're afraid to step up and put their
neck out or be in the forefront because

they know when you're out there, you might
look behind you and see a whole bunch of

people like, yeah, you're doing great.

You're awesome.

But the second things go sideways,
you're out there in the wind.

So that takes a certain amount of
mental, emotional strength for an

individual to, to, to make these.

Sean Zubor: I agree a hundred percent
and yeah, it, it's a combination of,

it's easier to vote for somebody or to
be that somebody, a combination of fear.

A lot of times though,
especially in business.

And I would say it's even
to do with this as well.

Fear is based a lot on ego.

And what I mean by that is not confidence.

It's not that type of ego,
but fear and ego play a role.

So I'll give you an example when
it comes to even what you're

talking about right now, but.

More so, even in like real estate
and sales and real estate, we're

always out there door knocking,
cold calling, doing things that

make most people uncomfortable.

Right.

And why do they make you uncomfortable?

Because somebody is going to reject you.

Right.

Somebody is going to, in your
mind, think differently of you.

And why does that affect you?

Because it hurts your ego.

It makes you feel like less of a person.

And this is the same kind of
thing is why don't we stand up

for our gun rights personally?

Why don't we post
something on social media?

You know, why aren't more?

Cause funny enough, I know tons of
business people that all own firearms

that are very more of like vote
conservative or whatever you want to say,

but they would never post any of that
kind of stuff on their public forums.

And the reason for that is.

Like you said, it's fear of loss.

It's fear of I'm going
to lose customer base.

It's fear.

I'm going to, you know, um, say something
that will, uh, jeopardize my business.

It's a fear of loss of
losing my, my, my home.

It's an all fear relates to
death in one way or another.

We cycle through all these things.

And, you know, one of the clear things
they say is like, okay, well, if I

say this, and this is how our minds.

Subconsciously work, if I knock on
this door and they reject me, I'm

never going to get another sale, which
means I'm never going to have money,

which means I'm going to go bankrupt.

I'm not going to be able to
eat and I'm going to die.

Like this is how we cycle through
these processes if we like it or not.

Right.

And so to back to what you're saying,
and I, and I'm in a complete agreement

is why is it that we are afraid?

To, to make a stand or not even to make
a stand, just make a personal statement.

And I feel like it's because
we have this fear of loss.

And then the other reason is
unfortunately, because we don't own a lot

of the media stations and we don't own
like what I say, we is like the people

that in the same type of thought pattern
that we're talking about right now.

And so we don't have a
lot of standard backing.

And we don't back each other as much as
we should, and as much as a lot of the

others do, or the opposite opinions do.

And so, like you said, there might
be a be like, oh yeah, go for it.

Go get them guys.

And then all of a sudden you're on
TV and now you become some sort of

gun toting maniac or something like
that because you support firearms,

all of a sudden that, that choir that
was behind you silences pretty quick.

Travis Bader: There's a guy who
was seeing him recently, I guess

he's got quite the following and.

I'm not sure who he was.

Maybe I should have
known who this guy was.

Asian fellow says, um, I tweeted
or posted saying, you know, I,

I like the Joe Rogan podcast.

Right.

And I

Sean Zubor: just reshared that one.

That's so funny.

You said that.

Travis Bader: So there you go.

So I don't know who that fellow was.

Should I know who that person is?

No.

Okay.

So he says, I like the Joe Rogan podcast.

I immediately lost like 15, 000 followers.

And people are like, you got,
you got to take that post down.

You can't put that, uh, hit
the people he does work with

or telling them to change it.

And he's like.

No, they, they're calling them racist.

They're calling them right wing.

I don't agree with
everything the guy says.

I just enjoyed listening to this
episode and I, and I liked it, but

no, no, I'm not going to change that.

I'm not going to take that post down.

I'm, I'm not making a stance, so
to speak, but I'm also not going

to just kowtow to the masses so
that it makes you feel happy.

If someone's got a fire
in them and they've got a.

A desire to share something with
the rest of the world or their close

friends or whoever it might be, who
is it for everybody else, provided

they're doing this in a positive way,
they're not hurting other people,

they're doing things that are going
to be, uh, hopefully moving towards.

A better place.

Who's it for everyone to say, well, we
like that you're trying to be positive,

but here's the proper way to do it.

Right.

Sean Zubor: Well, and, and the
unfortunately what it is too, is,

and I agree with you, everything
you're saying is unfortunately right

now, there's, there's not enough
support for people that do that.

Right.

And I'll give you an example, right?

I am, everybody in my brokerage knows
I'm very conservative, vote conservative,

not to get too political, but whatever,
but that's my political stance.

Sure.

I have somebody that ran for the NDP MLA.

In one of our constitutes and
I have no problem with that.

I'm, I'm the kind of guy that if
we can have an intelligent debate

or talk or whatever, or decide
not to talk politics, I'm okay.

I'm a human being, and I'm going
to treat you like a human being.

Right.

Unfortunately, right
now we're so polarized.

And I'm not going to blame one side or
the other, but we're so polarized that we

can't even have an expression of thought.

And once we lose this expression
of thought, then all of a sudden we

start going downhill into so many
different things that lead nowhere good.

And I think like the first thing, just
like that gentleman said, is that there

needs to be more people that just stand up
for the freedom of expression of thought.

And the freedom of expression
of verbalizing, those things

that you're thinking and getting
your opinion out there one side.

It's okay to do the other side.

Not so much apparently right now, but
we need to also support those that say,

and on both sides, if you agree or don't
agree with them, it doesn't mean we need

to tear everybody else to bring them down.

You know what I mean?

We just need to have everybody
have an opportunity to say what

they think equally without Okay.

Automatically throwing labels into it.

For example, like now, you know,
and he's an Asian American guy.

Now he's racist.

Now he's a bigot.

Now he's whatever, because he watches
the show and unfortunately we take

too many things on both sides.

And even, you know, I'm, I'm just going
to play the devil's advocate on this, even

the right side, as soon as somebody says
something about universal healthcare or

whatever, and this is just their opinion,
they're automatically a communist.

Do you know what I mean?

And obviously on the other side,
if you like Joe Rogan, you're

a fascist or whatever it is.

Right.

I think we need to stop labeling
these things and just understand

this conversation and support the

Travis Bader: conversation.

The art of civil discourse
seems to be a bit of a lost art.

The ability to separate the.

Argument from the
individual seems to be lost.

And I don't think that's an
unintentional consequence.

I think there is, I think there's a
lot of power to having people sidle

up their personality, their persona,
their ego and all the rest with whatever

their, their thoughts are at the time.

Um, it's a good way to be able to, um,
affect change, whether that's positive or.

Or a negative change in the masses
is to be able to have people identify

in certain groups where you can
start separating and dividing.

And it's not always coming from
a place of, of, uh, of evil.

Yeah.

Quite often it's coming from a place
of, of wanting to do the right thing.

They see.

Here's an altruistic idea of where society
could be, or what we should be able to do.

Wouldn't it be great if
we didn't have any guns?

Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have
any drugs and we wouldn't have drug

problems, we wouldn't have, uh, violence
in the streets that are firearms related.

And that, that sounds fantastic, right?

But the reality is a lot more
nuanced than that, than that.

And the reality of the
effect of that is never.

Never seems to prove out in
the way that an individual

tries to, to push it forward.

So.

Separating you as an individual
from some of the things that you

might be saying, I think is a skill,
which, and you're talking about

stoicism, which is starting to come
back into fashion out of necessity.

Sean Zubor: Yeah.

And you can see that with, you know,
Joe Rogan, for example, I mean, he gets

more views than CNN does now, right?

So you're starting to see some
positive momentum, even friends.

I was like, as I mentioned,
I was just in LA.

The gentleman I was meeting with, um,
staunch lefter, if you want to call

it that, um, he's now started, he
considers himself middle because, which

he says in terms puts him to the right.

And it's just because he's seen.

All the looting, all the
things that are happening.

He's going through a court case right now
because of the civil laws in California

that just make absolutely no sense.

And he literally is going to have to
pay somebody a hundred thousand us, um,

for hiring somebody that lied to them.

But the only reason he has to do
that is cause he's going to win.

But if he loses by 1, if he's owed
this person 1, he's got to cover both

legal expenses, which is 600, 000.

And cost.

And cost.

So.

For him, he's just like, okay, this
is, you know, we've turned into a

society where I can literally get a
job, sue somebody and live off that.

That's now my new job is suing people.

So I feel like you're starting to
notice that where that original idea

came from of, you know, those end costs
and so on and so forth, like you said,

altruistic idea, you don't want the poor
not to be able to afford to do justice.

Right.

But what we've done is we've
attached too much emotion.

To a lot of these processes, right?

We've attached too much
emotion to politics.

We've attached too much
emotion to most things.

And it's based on our feelings,
not based on logic anymore.

Right.

And I feel like that is one of
our biggest differentiators.

I feel like growing up or
I'll give a perfect example.

This is a little bit, uh,
off topic, but right now, so.

Our grandparents, the population was
about two and a half billion people

back in like the forties and fifties.

Now we're close to 8 billion.

Um, now because the population,
because you would think that the

competition would be significantly
higher to do well in business.

Right.

But then also you have now 8 people,
8 billion people, half of which are

in middle class, maybe one third of
which are middle class to sell to.

Right.

So.

In this specific time, you would
think it would be more or less even

on how easy it is to become wealthy or
how easy it is to create a business.

The reality is this is the easiest time
it has ever been to become wealthy.

And it's not just because of social media
and the fact that you can become famous.

Basically on your own accord, you don't
have to go through whatever it's because

of the mentality of these people and
where, where the majority of the masses

are not willing to disassociate their
emotion are not willing to disassociate,

um, the things that make them feel upset
and just do the work, do the actions,

do the things to become successful.

So that's why you're seeing a massive.

A wealth gap between the, you know,
the percenters and everybody else

is because they're taking a massive
proportionate advantage by outworking,

creating these systems and doing the
things other people don't want to do.

And so I, my general opinion
is, is that if we can shift that

mindset and you're right, there
is a shift coming, you can see.

It, it, it happening, people are starting
to get fed up with, you know, like the

laws in California where I think it's
under 50 bucks, you can steal anything

and you're never going to get charged
or whatever it is like all these,

yeah, it's literally people are walking
in and stealing 49 worth of stuff

and they can't do anything about it.

Hmm.

You have major institutions moving
out of Calgary or sorry, major

institutions moving out of California.

You're seeing that there has never
been such a massive shift from

California to places like Texas and
Florida and so on and so forth, because

this governance is creating right.

And it's, and remember, we
always blame government.

And we always do, but the reality is
it, government is our blame, right?

We're the ones that voted that in.

That's the lifestyle.

That's the society.

That's what we asked for.

Right.

So we got to be very careful what we ask
for and what we're going to put on the

government versus what we're going to have
to take responsibility for, for ourselves.

Travis Bader: So my mind's racing.

I've got a few different things,
perhaps what I'll do is I'll just

follow up on a few things that you
said previously, and you're talking

about, you know, fear of death and
ego, and that's causing indecisions.

Have you heard this story?

There is no tiger.

No.

Okay.

Um, guy goes, has a terrible day
at work, does a sales thing with

his boss watch and absolutely
dive bombs, crashes, burns, right?

On an out of town trip.

And anyways, at night
he goes down to the bar.

Empty place, except for the bartender
in there and talking with her.

She's a real tough Polish woman and makes
him up a, uh, makes him up a martini.

And, uh, he looks, he says, you
know, this is a time when people

haven't tattoos, particularly
women, it wasn't a common thing.

And she's got a, it looks like basically
a prison tattoo she gave herself.

And, uh, and, uh, he
says, oh, what is that?

He says, oh, it's this.

There is no tigers, what
we say and where I'm from.

She says, he says, I don't get it.

She says, well, you know, back
in the day, people were running

from tigers and getting eaten by
bears and falling through ice.

And death was a very real
consequence of day to day living.

She says, there is no tiger.

There's no longer a tiger.

And he's like, you know what?

Totally applies to me and my
situation right now, where I

was absolutely devastated and
everything was falling apart on me.

Okay.

I bombed that sucked.

There is no tiger.

Right.

And so, and that's something
that, uh, I'll, I'll say to myself

or I'll say to others, right.

If they're having a bad day
or something's going, not the

way they figured it should be.

There is no tiger.

Sean Zubor: And that's
awesome perspective.

I love that story.

It's, it's funny that you mentioned that.

So, uh, getting into my.

You know, mid thirties, things are
changing, obviously, uh, body wise,

hormonal wise, all that stuff.

So I went to go get blood tests.

And in my blood tests, it showed up that
my cortisol levels were pretty high.

And this is before I kind of
got back into the training and

everything like that as well.

So the doctor that I have,
awesome guy, I go to him.

I'm like, Hey, so what does this mean?

He's like, it means simply
you're stressed out.

This cortisol is more or
less like the flight or fight

response chemical for your body.

And.

He was giving me this, I did some
research on it as well, but he was

giving me this entire backstory on
why this exists and you know, why it

is brought up and so on and so forth.

So it was basically when we were
getting attacked by those lions,

tigers, bears, whatever it was in
the past, this was a hormone that was

released to kind of protect us, give
us cushioning, do this, all this store

fats, all this other kind of stuff.

And in certain doses, it's absolutely
necessity that we have to have.

Right.

But majority of us, it ends up killing us
faster than more or less anything else.

And it's funny being
of Hungarian heritage.

One of the things that they
invented was the theory of stress.

So I figured I was like genetically
prone to it, I guess, if we do all

about, about stress in and of itself.

And the funny thing is, is I genuinely
don't ever really feel stress.

Like even when I went out to fight,
a lot of the guys used to call

me ice man as a joke, because I
just had a very stoic face on it.

I wasn't, I was not really scared or
obviously you have some nerves and

stuff that would be lying if I wasn't,
but I was never really stressed.

But apparently business life, everything
in general plays a subconscious stress

even on you before you think about it.

So.

Understanding, and this is what
I've been able to lower my stress

levels through exercise, food, as
well as just mental talk, right?

Is I did a lot of like transcendental
meditation and all these other things,

and they work, everything works
as long as you, you do it, right?

I do the cold showers and all
that kind of stuff now too, but.

Uh, for myself, it's understanding
and being real with your situation.

And one of the things that I say,
um, and one of the things that's

in, uh, um, stoicism is that
understanding that your fate,

understanding that you will die, right?

Memento mori.

Exactly.

Memento mori.

And so.

Once you understand that, and you
realize, and it's a lot to do with

this story, that, okay, this is, you
start noticing the things you say,

this is the worst day of my life, oh
shit, everything's collapsing, like, I

can't believe this person did that to
me, all these other things, this self

talk is something that we're all of
a sudden spiking our cortisol levels,

we're spiking this, we are creating
more than they've even done to us.

So it is very rare.

And obviously you have all kinds of
awesome guys, like Seb and so on and

so forth on here that have had guns
pointed at them that are in front lines

that are having to be shot and shot
at kind of thing, or shoot at shot at.

The reality is even those guys, it's few
and far between, they're, they're training

to remove that stress from their lives.

And to be consistent and in that process,
but do regular people, quote unquote,

do us as business professionals train
and learn how to manage that stress

and how to manage, you know, like the
story you were just saying to have a

realization that everything's going
sideways, but I'm still breathing.

Do you know?

And I think that is something that
once you start managing that, it

gives you a clearer picture to be
able to make decisions down the line.

Travis Bader: So with the yin and yang
of life, the highs and lows, the ups and

flows that will take place, if things are
going really well for you at the moment.

And they definitely seem to be,
um, what do the lows look like?

And how'd you deal with that?

Sean Zubor: So as you, I think you
mentioned before, I almost went

bankrupt twice early in my career.

Um, I've never had real financial backing.

I can say my dad wants, cause I
just have a different mentality.

He saved me.

I was, I had a 27, 000 credit
card debt when I was like 25

years old or something like that.

So I just told my dad, I'm like,
listen, I'm going to go into this work.

This is how I'm going to do it.

Pay off my card, I'm going to pay you
back a monthly payment at 6% interest.

And so next to that though, the
entire time it's all been on my own.

It's every dollar I've spent from
the cars I bought, et cetera.

So there were times where without
a doubt, cause I'm, I'm kind of

like a little bit of a hypomanic.

So I do have highs and lows.

I don't need much sleep.

I, I enjoy work.

I enjoy being, um, out
there and doing things, but.

I try to keep everything now, even keel.

And what I mean by that is the
highs that I may be experiencing

right now, or the highs that I
may be experiencing in the future.

I understand that these are just moments
in time right now as well, right?

There is a possibility as we're talking
about right now, I'm just in the process

of basically putting all my cards into
one basket or all my eggs into one basket.

I'm just about to, you know,
buy out my, my business partner.

Um, so it's all in it's, it's, it's.

You know, most of my wealth or
whatever I've accumulated is

going to be put into this project.

So I may in two years from
now, start working for you.

You know what I mean?

It may happen, but the point is, is that.

I feel like when you're in those
lows, having the understanding that

you can kind of work through this and
continue to go and be more in that

moment of what I need to do today,
not worry about where I am today.

And then at the same time, when you're
in those highs, understanding that, you

know, I shouldn't be out there partying.

I shouldn't be out there.

It's not that you can't
enjoy your success.

It's just also understanding
that it could be limited and this

success does not define who you are.

You are you.

Right.

What defines you of, if, if any
portion of success that defines

you, it's the fact that what you
did to get to that point, right?

The work, the daily habits, the things,
it's not the car, it's not the money.

Cause we talked about that before.

If I go win the lottery tomorrow, are
people going to, people aside, am I

going to respect myself as a millionaire?

Absolutely not.

I didn't create that, right?

So I think that, that is the, the
differential point, like the, I've

had lows within the last couple of
years and I'm just like, okay, the,

the good thing about success, the good
thing about doing difficult things

and overcoming those difficult things,
once you've done enough of those.

You also start getting a pretty
good understanding that, Hey, I've

gone through difficult things.

These are things that I've overcome.

These are the things that I'm
the most proud of, you know, was

I proud of fighting in the cage
a hundred percent, but it wasn't

the cage that I was proud of.

It was all the work leading up to it.

Right.

So I feel like.

I try to purposely put myself through as
many difficult things as I possibly can,

even daily going, you know, I did 20 K
run this morning, all this kind of stuff.

It, it just primes me for like,
wow, that is truly difficult.

You know, going through work in
the day to day life, that is not

difficult as what it could be.

I think that's kind of my mentality
when it comes to the ups and ups and

downs is just keeping a more even keel
and realizing that the things that have

actually made me happy is the journey,
the process, the work along the way,

not the outcomes or results either way.

If

Travis Bader: you make money, you're
a motivator and you're chasing the

money, you're always going to be behind
the money, whatever it is that you're

chasing, you're always going to be behind.

If happiness is your
motivator, I want to be happy.

It's got an inverse relationship where
you'll never be happy because you're

already presupposing the fact that
you're unhappy in the, in the moment.

So what is success to you?

Sean Zubor: Well, success is, you
know, raising my kids, good family.

Those are all things that
obviously most people want.

So that's, that's success.

But I think.

Being able to enable others for success,
um, being able to be a good guide one way

or another or a, uh, a voice that they
can, you know, resonate with, um, these

things are actually the things that make
me probably the happiest right now next

to obviously my family is the fact that
I get some pretty cool Instagram messages

is like, Hey man, you made me wake up
this morning and go do some hard shit.

That's the kind of stuff.

And now they feel, you know,
incredibly, I've had a couple of

people that, you know, we're going
down that negative path and route.

And I was able to kind of, they did all
the work, but just at least give them

a little bit of guidance along the way.

Those are the things that
I think are successes.

How do you, how do you
give back to society?

How do you help?

Those are the things that
actually make you feel good,

Travis Bader: right?

Would you say that's an ego driven?

Perspective?

Sean Zubor: Partially sure.

Yeah, of course.

Like, um, and I don't think
ego is a negative thing, right?

I agree.

Uh, at the end of the day, we all
want to feel good about ourselves.

And that inherently is some
ego perspective in there.

Um, I do.

Travis Bader: Well, what's,
what's difficult for you?

Because if you run a 20 mile marathon
and you do it again, and you do it again,

and you do it again, after a while.

You know, you can do 20 miles, right?

It was like, I jokingly said to,
uh, Sean Taylor, ex JTF2 and, uh.

Yeah, great guy.

Fantastic guy, right?

And he says, uh, was talking
about the 24 hour relays or not

really 24 hour solos on a mountain
bike, you're going for 24 hours.

I said, why haven't you done a 48?

I mean, I've never done a 24, obviously
it's an accomplishment in its own right.

Yeah.

And.

But I'll be, I'll be a bit of a wise ass.

How come you haven't done a 48, but
there's always that more difficult thing.

What, what is difficult?

Sean Zubor: Difficult.

For me is going to be difficult for
somebody else is everything's going

to be, you know, there's perspective
to whatever difficulties, but I'll

give you an example for myself.

It's just, I'm trying to just be
1% better than I was yesterday.

And there's going to be days that
I'm 10% worse, but my goal and what

I'm, my actions and what I'm trying
to orient myself is to be 1% better.

That, that goes, that's what's it.

And if I can just challenge
myself to be 1% better.

So I'll give you an example.

I did run that a hundred kilometer ultra.

I timed out on it.

So I only, I did 90, 91, 92
kilometers, something like that.

I've got a 50 kilometer ultra, the 10,
000 foot elevation coming up August.

I just like doing
challenging, difficult things.

It doesn't necessarily have to be
better per se than the last one I did.

I'm just consistently trying to
find growth and find challenge.

Um, and it's not necessarily, it's
not so much of an ego thing that, Hey,

I can run a hundred miler or I can
run a 200 miler because you're right.

There's always going to
be something crazier.

And I know I'm not going
to be a Cameron Haynes.

That's not really even my goal.

I'm not going to, I'm not, he
runs a marathon every single day.

You know what I mean?

Or David Goggins, that's, that's theirs.

For me, I'm trying to
continuously be challenged.

And so my business, I want it to grow.

I want to be challenged amongst that.

I want to be able to help people
grow, be challenged amongst that.

I want to make sure my kids, cause
they're going to be their own people soon.

Right.

I give a good guide and path there.

That's kind of what I'm looking
for when it comes to difficulty.

So

Travis Bader: in that whole concept of
difficulty, and I should ask Sean this

one too, but if I were to be the reporter.

Talking to Rockefeller, I
would ask how much is enough?

Sean Zubor: Yeah.

So

it's a tough question because for me,
when it comes to difficulty, it's, it's

never really going to be enough, you
know, it, and that is always 1 more.

And it's, and it's obviously for me,
it's not the financial portion, however.

It is, I want, this is
what makes us feel alive.

We, the one thing I know, and we've talked
about this and is I know I'm going to die.

There's 0% chance I'm
going to live forever.

Right?

So why not maximize my
time on this planet?

When I'm 70 years old, I'm
probably not going to be running.

Hopefully I will, but I probably
won't be able to run a marathon.

So why not do that now?

But when I'm 70 years old, what
am I going to be able to do that's

going to be able to challenge me?

Maybe it's a crossword
puzzle for all I know.

I don't know, right?

But I feel like it doesn't necessarily
have to be a bar of challenge.

It just needs to be a
challenge consistently.

And that challenge makes us feel useful.

Right.

It makes us feel alive.

It makes us for, I'm not, I'm
not that person that's in bed,

putting the duvet covers over me.

Right.

I'm out there creating, being
of use to myself and the world.

Travis Bader: So you were talking to
before about, uh, and specifically back

to, uh, firearms, hunting, uh, advocacy,
people looking for others to pick up

the torch and walk with it in front.

What advice would you give to
those who are dissatisfied with.

Let's say the, the local gun clubs
and hunting communities, which also

that same advice would apply to
individuals of all walks of life.

What, what advice would you give
to them to start making positive,

progressive change in an area
that where they feel it needs

Sean Zubor: to be made?

Yeah.

So one thing, Jordan Peterson came to
Vancouver and so literally I landed,

I think it was like 5 PM for my
flight from India, got off the plane,

went and took a shower at my buddy's
place and went, walked, watched him.

I was up for 36 hours.

So while I'm trying not to fall
asleep, because one of the things

that came up was obviously that
audience was very pro conservative.

Like how do we get rid of
Justin Trudeau kind of thing.

Right.

So, and I know this is not directly
with the question, but it applies to it.

So what he said that really stood
out is he put every, he asked

everybody in the audience, he asked,
Hey guys, so who here wants Justin

Trudeau out and the entire audience.

And I don't know how many thousand
people were in that audience,

but everybody put their hand up.

His next question was who here is
part of the conservative party.

And then there was maybe like.

A hundred of us, right?

Who here has done volunteer
work at the conservative party?

And there was two people out
of the thousand people that

wanted Justin Trudeau out.

Two people and myself included.

I was not in those two people.

So I take full that I have
not done the volunteer work.

I donate, but I have not
done the volunteer work.

The point that he said is
like, listen, it starts here.

The numbers clearly show right.

That.

There's just as many people, if not more
that believe that he should be out, that

there should be, uh, um, gun reform in,
in a positive way towards us, that there

should be advocacy on that portion.

There should be a lot of different
things that happen, but how many

of us are even taking one step.

And this is part of the program when
it comes to being successful, being

anything it's not, you don't go from
making, you know, 50 grand a year

to making a million dollars a year.

It's a step by step process, gun advocacy,
you know, um, you know, the CCFR,

all these different types of things,
all these different, it, it, there is

so many opportunities for us just to
take one step in the right direction.

If you're having an issue with your
gun club, they're not doing enough.

Why aren't you at their meeting?

What are you saying at their meeting?

What are you doing to help them?

Maybe they need help doing whatever
you want them to do, right?

Instead of like, we talk about
everybody finding the Messiah,

like I'm going to vote that guy
and he'll change everything, right?

If all of us just did one thing.

Right.

How much more powerful could that
be ever comparatively to one guy?

Right.

And it's the same thing.

If you see, you know, personally, one of
my objectives in this upcoming future is.

And I don't mean to get, you know,
political again or whatever it may be.

But if you look at what's happening in
our schools right now and what has been

happening for the last 20 years, right,
is you have a lot of indoctrination,

right or wrong, believe in it or don't
believe in it, but you have tons of

indoctrination that's been happening in
the last 20, 30 years for certain things.

I had as a perfect example in grade two
or three, I think it was three, I wrote,

we had to write a piece of literature.

Basically on our position on something.

Right.

So, um, my dad helped me do this.

I remember this and I created
a period of anti gun control.

So, and basically I just gave my
opinion on why gun control doesn't work.

And I used a lot of different
stats and so and so forth in

it, and it was well written.

Anyways, long story short, I went
into class, right, and presented that.

And my teacher who was from England
originally was completely anti gun, did

not allow me to present this presentation.

In fact, I had to take it out.

I had to now do the, uh,
thing on the amalgamation of

Maple Ridge and pit metals.

Travis Bader: Grade
three, you're like, what?

What

Sean Zubor: exactly?

Right.

Um, and so, so much so maybe, maybe
it was great for anyways, but so much

so that my dad was absolutely furious.

Right.

So my dad sent it to field and
stream, and I think he still got a

copy and they actually printed that
in there, which was kind of cool.

Yeah.

But what I'm trying to say
is this indoctrination of.

If we look back to like the forties,
fifties, sixties, you know, I'm talking

to some of the older guys at, uh,
the older instructors at, you know,

mission gun club and so on and so forth.

And they're talking about how
they went to high school with a

shotgun in the back of their truck.

Do you know what I mean?

And there weren't school shootings there.

There weren't all these other things.

So.

If you want to make a difference, right?

We need to start, and I don't want
to say indoctrinize, we need to start

bringing those principals back into
the schools, back into the families.

How many kids are you taking out shooting?

Both my kids have started shooting when
they're like four or five years old.

Do you know what I mean?

And creating gun safe practices,
creating all these things, it's one step.

It, it, instead of trying to
change the entire country and world

all at once, what have you done?

For your immediate sphere, what
have you done for your family?

What have you done for the one
step out your close, best friends?

How many of them have
you taken out shooting?

Right.

Even, even if they are the same belief
as you are, as far as like political

standing, what are they contributing
when it comes to, you know, standing

against what they believe is wrong.

Right.

So I feel like instead
of always looking for.

One vote to change, what are we
doing and what can we do different?

Travis Bader: I think that
makes a hell of a lot of sense.

I think the fear part that we
talked about earlier, maybe not so

much laziness will play into it.

Like myself, I will re I would rather
do things myself than rely on somebody

else because I know what I'm capable of.

I know if I fail that I've got one
person to blame and not everybody's

of the same mindset, but I do
think that there is a large social.

Fear that we've seen, and we saw it in the
last few years during a pandemic of not

people, not wanting to stick their heads
out and say things that might be contrary

to whatever the public narrative might be.

And that fear has been something that's
been implemented for a very long time.

It's sort of an instinctual
thing for people to survive.

They want to belong to their tribe, but
when you talk about indoctrination in the

schools, whether it be from an altruistic
standpoint, because people want it.

But I think inherently
people want to be good.

I'm of that mindset and inherently, um,
um, maybe if I went a little deeper,

they're neither good nor bad, but it's,
it's how people will, uh, perceive it.

But you know, you say, I've got a
government system, we voted them

in, we've got a school system, we
voted them in, we've got certain

ways that we want them to be taught.

And once those.

Processes are in place.

I think that's when the laziness
and the fear of wanting to stand out

kind of kicks in because people are
like, ah, the school will teach them.

Oh, you know, the government
will, will take care of, the

police will take care of them.

If the police will just come in and
give my kid a stern talking to man,

they'll, they'll start flying right.

Right.

Yeah.

And, and that's where that
personal responsibility, and

there's going to be a fight.

There's going to be a fight there
because those who are now in a position

of governing, whether that be within
the school or policing or whatever

it might be that represents their
livelihood and their jobs, it represents

a system of others that are in there.

It's neither good nor bad, but
thinking makes it so right.

But they're going to want to be
able to propagate and make sure that

there's some, uh, continuity to their,
what they know in their existence.

So I think that's where the
fear from individuals starts

coming in and the laziness.

Sean Zubor: Yeah.

I think it's just going to
become, it's got to more or less

come to a time and place that.

You, as an individual are going to
have to decide what do you fear more,

the fear of being publicly humiliated
or ostracized because you believe

what is right is right, or the fear of
the consequences for not doing that.

And that's really the point we are
at in the civilization right now.

You know, it's, and to your point,
I, and I don't disagree with this.

I genuinely think most people have
great intentions, even the people that

I have absolutely, you know, zero in
common with or thought politically.

Right.

And, you know, um, but they feel
they're doing the right thing.

Of course they are right.

Right.

Like, you know, And, and many of them
come from a good place of thought, but

the problem is, is they don't realize
what the consequences are, right?

So, um, I was just watching Tim Kennedy
and I reposted this this morning.

I don't know if you saw this, but
he puts four out of 10 Americans,

42%, I think was the exact number
believe socialism is a good thing.

They've never experienced socialism.

And he talks about it completely.

Go talk to somebody that escaped
communist Hungary or that

escaped Russia during communism.

Go talk to somebody that lived in that.

Go, go, they can't even make a trip,
but I've been to Cuba several times.

I've never been like, Hey, why don't you?

And I've never heard once somebody
say, you should immigrate here.

It's awesome.

Never once people have been fantastic.

Every single person that I ever
spoke to in Cuba wants out.

And that's one of the longest standing
socialist countries in the region, right?

Look at any of the communist countries
that are successful right now, AKA

China, really they're successful
because they're not really communist.

Do you know what I mean?

They are, you can't have billionaires
in communism and they do, right?

The point is, and I'm not trying to get.

Uh, political again, it's the
fact is right now society is

testing waters because they don't
know what they're looking for.

They're looking for an easier way out.

The rest of us that feel like we're
on the, the side of what should be

or the right side or our opinion is,
whatever it may be, unfortunately,

because a lot of us have created jobs,
a lot of us are now entrepreneurs.

A lot of us are working as police
officers are actually out there working.

We have more to lose by voicing
our opinions than those that

have the same right to vote.

Right.

But are on, uh, social subsidies
or whatever you want to call it.

Right.

So I feel like we really need to
come up with, and I don't want

to tell anybody what to do, but
we all have to, as individuals.

Come up with and think about what
is more important to us, the fear

of, you know, being ostracized or
the fear of where we're heading.

The fear of the consequence.

Well, and truthfully, like, do you, and
do you have a right, and this is something

we need to ask ourself as well, and I'm
not saying it's right or wrong, but do you

have the right to blame others when you're
not willing to do something yourself?

And so myself personally,
I feel like I don't.

Right.

So I don't have the right to say,
well, this country sucks, but

I've never given anything to it.

Right.

I don't have the right to say,
um, you guys are doing it wrong.

This leader is absolutely horrible,
but I've never done anything to provide

anything otherwise or another option.

Right.

So these are the internal
questions that I have for myself

and I hope others do as well.

Where do you see your role in all of

Travis Bader: this?

Sean Zubor: I, I'm just trying to live.

So I'm trying to lead by example.

That's my biggest role.

And trust me, I'm a sinner.

I started off as a gangster
when I was younger.

I graduated when I was 27 years old.

I got kicked out of school.

So by no means, am I some
like saint by any means.

And I definitely don't want to be
portrayed that way by any means.

That being said, I feel like now
I've come to a point in my life that

I have to live by my moral compass.

Right.

You know, some of my friends have gone
through amazing things that have been,

you know, police officers have been
military veterans have been whatever.

And these guys have actually
sacrificed and given for this country

and the betterment of society.

So what can I do in my part?

Well, I know how to create business.

I know how to feel good about
myself by doing difficult

things and leading by example.

So that's the best that I can do.

And I, and I can go out there and I can
spread a message of there's opportunity,

like there's never been before.

Right.

There is an opportunity for you.

If you truly want to be
wealthy, there's an opportunity.

If you truly want to make change,
there's an opportunity, but it

has to start with you first.

Right.

And so for myself, I never ask anybody to
do something I'm not willing to do myself.

And every morning, you know, business
related, my specific real estate

team, because I have the company and
the real estate team, there's nobody

on there, my real estate thing team
that thinks they work more than I do.

Hmm.

They know they don't right.

I, I literally take them on runs.

I take them on stuff and I'm, and I'm
not doing this to be like a dictator.

I'm doing them.

So they have a transformation
and they can feel what it's like

to feel good about themselves.

Right.

And so that's, that's kind of like my
role, if any, and it might be a super

minute, hopefully the message goes
across and it's all I can ask for.

Travis Bader: Who mentored you?

Cause you mentioned that

Sean Zubor: earlier.

Yeah.

So I've, I'm, I've been really
lucky and I've actually been

mentored by a lot of people.

Um, so I couldn't give you one specific,
but you know, my work ethic, my, my drive,

a lot of that has come from my parents.

Like my dad, long haul truck driver
worked his ass off his entire life.

Right.

Um, even though him
and I have a different.

Philosophy on money.

His is still very much like
penny pinching and saving.

And, you know, he'll calls me
up once in a while and be like,

son, tuna is 75 cents off.

You should go grab 20 cats.

Um, but he's also done well for himself.

Right.

Um, but along the way I've been mentored
by real estate professionals, by guys

that are gurus in, in, you know, created
millions of dollars in real estate.

And the funny thing is
with those guys, it's very.

I literally called them up and
said, what can I do for you?

I need to learn from you.

And I did a bunch of stuff for free
for them, help them out, but they're

always willing to give for people
that want to succeed and actually

do what they tell them to do.

Right.

Travis Bader: So if you graduated at 27,
would I be going out on a limb to say

that you didn't always possess, although
they may have been in front of you, your

father's work ethic, your family's work
ethic, the rest, you're shown the way,

but you weren't always implementing that.

Sean Zubor: Yeah.

So up until grade eight.

So in grade eight, I was actually
doing grade 10 math and English.

So I was an accelerated school.

So I skipped some grades.

Basically what happened, this is, and
I don't blame my parents by any means.

It's definitely not their fault.

It's 100% mine.

But, um, I was going to a school,
that school had some very affluent

people and being 16 years old,
it's Thomas Haney in Maple Ridge.

Okay.

And so at that time, it was actually
14, 15 when I started there.

Um, That time it was a self
paid school, like university.

So you just had to do these learning
guides and you have to show up

for seminars the rest of the time,
you can go do whatever you want.

I lived across the street.

So obviously I was chasing
tail and everything else.

Instead of doing my work and then, uh,
you know, at that time, that's when

testosterone kicks in, you don't, you're
trying to find your place in your world.

Um, I came from an immigrant family, so,
you know, my friends were of all kinds

of different ethnicities and we different
cultural things and so on and so forth.

And I just found myself like, Hey.

That guy over there has a BMW
and he's getting hotter chicks.

Cause that BMW, what am I
going to go do to get a BMW?

Right.

And of course I did stupid
shit that I shouldn't have

done to go try to get a BMW.

Right.

And so I wish, and this is one of the
things that I'm trying to do and kind of

what I've talked about as I wish there
was a mentor in state to be like, Hey

man, like you can get a thousand BMWs.

You just have to do this, this, this,
and give it a little bit of time.

Right.

And implement this and
look what I've done.

Right.

My dad, and like I said, not to blame
my dad, but the mentality of the

mentors that were around me at that
time, even though I had this grandiose

vision of what I wanted to be, right.

There were so in Hungary and
Europe, they kind of have this.

Saying, which is like similar to
get your head out of the clouds kind

of thing that we say here, but it's
like, basically don't be a cosmonaut

because you're living in space.

So, um, and it's not that he didn't
encourage me, but you know, I'm

like, I want to be a millionaire.

I want to be whatever.

Even when I got into real estate,
he was always worried for me.

That, you know, it takes you
five years to make any money.

And this is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Now that's obviously gone, thankfully.

But the point is, is at that
time, I'm like, well, I'm not

going to listen to these guys.

That guy over there is
making a ton of money.

I'm going to do what he does.

Right.

And so I'm blessed and lucky that I
never really got into any trouble.

I have, I had people pass away
that were close to me that were

involved in that kind of stuff.

And so.

When I was in my mid twenties, after
I got kicked out of school, I came

back and I'm like, okay, I'm either
going to get into real estate cause

I was selling cars, doing all this
other stuff back in the normal path.

I mean, they're going to get
into real estate or I'm going

to become a firefighter.

And so both of them needed
high school graduation.

So I had to go back and graduate
when I was 27 and then I applied

for the justice institute.

With my good buddy Ziggy.

And, uh, that was a couple months process.

In the meantime, it was already a realtor.

And then my first two months,
I did six transactions and made

more money than I've ever made.

And I'm like, you know what, I think
I'm going to go down this path.

And that's kind of how it all

Travis Bader: happened.

So if you can go back and talk to 12,
13, 14 year old, you, what would you say?

Sean Zubor: And you know what
the funny thing is, I wouldn't

say much, I would show.

And I think that's really the difference
is I think too many times as leaders, we

talk too much and we don't show enough.

Right.

So if you look at the guys that inspire
me, the guys that would have inspired me

back then is guys that inspire me right
now are like guys like Galkins, Jocko,

you know, like, uh, Cameron Haynes,
what, what inspires us about those guys?

They're out there on video doing it.

Right.

And so.

If I could do anything, I
would go to these guys and be

like, look what I have done.

This is how I've done it.

And I can show you how, and I
think having actual, because the

problem, number one priority or
issue with school systems in general.

Okay.

And I, and I'm not, I'm not here
to beat down schools by any means,

because they're essential part
of our, our learning and society.

In certain parts, right?

Travis Bader: We can talk about that one.

Sean Zubor: I agree.

But the point is, is that you
are being taught by somebody,

I'll give you an example.

Okay.

You go to Harvard, right?

You pay hundreds of thousands of
dollars for a university degree.

And let's just say you're
going to get your MBA.

The top professors are
making 500 grand a year.

Right.

I have agents in my brokerage
making 2 million a year.

So why would I learn from somebody?

That has never done what I want to do.

And that's the, one of the major issues
with our schools is we're being told,

not shown, told, this is what you do.

This is how you do it.

And we're being basically taught how
to memorize more or less and work at

a certain thing and work for somebody,
not work with somebody we're not

talked, taught about basic finance.

We're not talking about any
kind of life skills anymore.

We're not taught about
any of those things.

What ends up being is, is there's very few
students that look up to their teachers.

Very few these days, right?

And the fact is, is because none of
them want to be like that person.

Who do they want to be like?

And so now they're following
their social media influencers.

They're following all these other
guys that are driving Lamborghinis

that are doing all these other things,
which I'd rather have them do that

than follow drug dealers, right?

But the point is, is who these guys
are imitating or who these kids are

imitating is incredibly important.

And unfortunately those schools
don't provide any of that.

That's

Travis Bader: a good point.

Who wants to be like
their high school teacher?

I don't know anyone that.

There's some, and there's some great
high school teachers out there.

There are some fantastic teachers.

The whole system of education that
we currently have, I think is, is in

need of a massive overhaul, um, served
a purpose in its way and its time,

and it still has some good purpose,
but, uh, I'm not here to disparage

the school system, but I come from a.

Uh, background was five different
high schools that I went to.

Yeah.

Sean Zubor: So, you know.

Well, and the thing is, is like,
I can think of two teachers,

maybe three while I was in school.

One of them was Mr.

Bugler and this guy, if anybody
went to me for a secondary,

they would know who he is.

Um, and I think he passed away a while
ago, but he, um, dressed in a cape.

And was extremely eccentric,
extremely like as like a chalkboard

professor, a cape, a cape, like
a full on, like university gown,

cape, whatever it is in high school.

And he was teaching, and this was, I think
I had him for grade eight, if I remember

before I switched to the self pay school.

And so he was teaching a class
for gifted students or whatever.

So people that were accelerated.

So you're just calling yourself gifted.

Got it.

Well, I don't, it could have been
special gifted for all I know.

That's just what they called it anyways.

But, um, so, but what he continuously
did was challenge me and what he

proved, right, was my ignorance in
history, my ignorance in so many things.

And he, he proved that I should
be questioning everything and

understanding why I'm questioning and
why these answers are what they are.

So there's a lot of things I took
from, and him and I had screaming

matches, just to be clear.

Like it was not that he was like some,
huh, figure, figure to me, like we had

butted heads just as much as we agreed.

However, he was challenged.

He pushed and he was a great teacher.

My other teacher, Mr.

B actually just communicated with on
Facebook just recently after not talking

to him since elementary school, basically.

I remember him vividly because,
and obviously this would probably

never happen these days is.

Pulling outside my elementary.

He knew I was hunting because I
started hunting, I got finished

my core test when I was 10.

So I was out there right at the hop and
I was, he knew it was big into hunting.

So when he came home, it was Monday and he
just came home from a hunt, went straight

from the hunt to, to school to teach.

So he's like, come check out
what's in the back of my truck.

I went there and he's got his
camper and sure enough, there's

a three point buck in the back.

So I remember that vividly talking about
hunting and fishing and all those things.

And these are memories.

So that's somebody that I would.

Look up to more or

Travis Bader: less.

You don't usually hear stories of teachers
taking kids to the back of their truck.

Yeah,

Sean Zubor: exactly, exactly.

But, um, so yeah, I mean, now.

Our schools, you know, to go down
that path, our schools are, we're

more, once again, focused on people's
feelings versus the actual things that

need to be done and taught, right?

Like even with all this, I was just
told a couple of days ago, and I don't

know if it's rumor or not, so I don't
want to spread whatever, but I've heard

it multiple times now that they have
like, um, in washrooms, they have,

um, like what you have for your cat.

Because people are dressing up as furries.

So, yeah, now they're squatting,
they're squatting in boxes.

So, um, my mind is, I don't want to
say it because I'm not going to confirm

it, but I've been told multiple times
from the high school that I went to.

And so for myself, I'm, I'm thinking, I'm
like, okay, listen, I want all kids to

feel inclusive, like, don't get me wrong.

But the reality is why are we
focusing so much on this stuff when.

And this is one thing that absolutely
pissed me off, to be very blunt.

I go into my kid's school, and every
single, every single, and this is

an elementary school, and I'm in...

You know, the back end
of Maple Ridge, right?

So it's more redneck y, if
you would call that, right?

By all means.

And every single school
door has a rainbow on it.

Every single school
door has a rainbow flag.

And so, to be very clear, Like
if, if whatever your sexual

preference is, I care less.

Like you do you, if you're an
adult, I want you to be happy.

Right.

However, the one thing that stood
out to me is there was not one

provincial flag, not one Canadian
flag, not one thing was taught.

My kid who is now eight years old
has been taught all of these things.

I took a globe and asked
him where Russia was.

He could not point out the
largest country on the planet.

So it's not the fact that what we're
teaching our kids, I agree or disagree

with, which a lot of it, I obviously
disagree with, but it's the fact

that we have no priorities, right?

If our kid can't even point
out the biggest country on the

planet, but he knows you can be 72
genders, don't you think we have a

little bit of a priority issue on

Travis Bader: this planet?

You know, the issue with
inclusivity and hyper inclusivity.

The natural outcome of that is exclusivity
because you can't think outside of that.

And it's, it's a very, you know, you
take that to its natural progression and

perhaps it's something that should maybe
not be emphasized in school in the way

that it currently is, because you will
end up excluding other opinions that

are contrary to what, what the norm is.

In a way that they're trying
to combat in, in the get go.

So well intentioned, good way to
go for it, but it does create an

exclusive environment where if you
do not subscribe to this way of

thinking, you are now out and maybe.

Take it to

Sean Zubor: whatever you are.

Yeah.

Right.

Travis Bader: And it's,
and that that's changing.

I do see.

Sean Zubor: It, well, it's just
gone so crazy that it's, like you

said, it's gone a full circle.

We are invoking racism now.

It's like it, it, it there's a, there
is a teacher, a principal, I believe

that got expelled, that got kicked out.

I don't want to tell you what
state cause I can't remember,

but this is just recently within
this year, you can Google it.

And basically what she
did was, is she separated.

Blacks and whites.

This old experiment.

Separate.

No, she separated it and basically
created an apartheid because

she felt that black youth should
hang out with more black youth.

Travis Bader: Interesting.

So it's not like the teacher that
separated the blue eyes and the brown eyes

or the brown hairs and blonde hairs and,
and created that whole social dynamic.

They, she's saying birds
of a feather should flock

together and, and she's trying

Sean Zubor: to.

And she was black.

Gotcha.

And she's saying, she's like,
listen, like, um, black should

experience more black culture with
black people and so on and so forth

and ended up creating an apartheid.

In her own school.

And so one of the.

Whoops.

But, and this is the whole point of
what I'm trying to say is this, and

what you're, what you're saying is this,
this inclusivity, all of a sudden we're

like, we're back to 1940 and Rosa, Rosa
Parks would be like, you know, rolling

in her grave right now, seeing that
we are doing this to ourselves again.

Well, the plot's been

Travis Bader: lost at that point.

Sean Zubor: It's crazy.

It's crazy.

And it's just.

I think this once again comes down to the
part that is there racism in the world?

100% it will never go away.

Is there, you know, sexism
are there all these isms?

Yes.

Right.

But in general, We are 1000%
better than we have ever been.

And so now we are searching
for things that will make us

like, I got a hard time too.

You know, like I'm a ZZ, ZZ,
ZZ, whatever, don't you know?

Right.

Instead of, because I have nothing else.

I have food, I have a shelter.

I have, you know, I get to go to work.

I can go to university.

I get, I can get free drugs.

If I go down to East Hastings.

Right.

So much so that they're giving
out free drugs and they're

trading it in for fentanyl.

My wife's a nurse.

These people are still ODing from
fentanyl because they're taking

the clean drugs that they're
getting from the government, right.

And trading it for street fentanyl.

So it's just come to this point that we.

You're not talking about
kids here, are you?

Kids.

I'm not talking about kids.

No, but the whole point is,
is that right now, these days.

Life is so good that we need to
find some excuse that and hardship

that our generation's going through
something we're having issues.

Look at me.

And instead of focusing on how do
we better society, how, you know,

one of the things growing up is,
and I remember these ads, like, what

can you do for your country, right?

How many of our youth, how many of,
you know, even my generation and

old, how many of us are thinking,
what can we do for our country?

Versus what can our country do for us?

And I think, you know, when you ask,
what can we do to change things?

What can we do to, you know, help, um,
you know, our cause when it comes to,

um, firearms and all these other things,
it's like, what the fuck are you doing?

You know, what are you doing?

And that's the first question we should
always be asking ourselves, because back

to this whole stoic philosophy, what
is the only thing we have control over?

It's what we do.

I can't, I can't force you to do
anything, but if I want you to do

something, I can tell you the best
way to do it is watch me do this.

Travis Bader: So if the first
question is, what are you doing?

What would the second question be?

Well, what effect is that having?

Because I think there's a lot of people
out there that will do things that

have minimal effect, but they look
at, look at all the things I'm doing.

Yeah.

Look at how fast I'm running.

My arms are going

Sean Zubor: so fast.

And, and so like business, right.

I have a philosophy on
how I kind of do things.

So I plan.

So I, in my life and in business,
I kind of have a CEO hat, and

then I kind of have a worker hat
for lack of a better word, right?

Or realtor hat or whatever it may be.

So my CEO hat, I'm planning.

These are the things I'm going to do.

This is how I'm going to execute it.

This is what I'm going to do.

And that could be for a week, month,
quarter, year, whatever it may be.

Excuse me.

Um, and then I go into
worker and I just execute.

I, I, I no longer, like, if you look
at my schedule, it's completely booked

out sometimes in 30 minute increments.

I'm not, I don't plan what I do today.

I've already planned what I'm
doing, so I'm not thinking

about what I should change.

What I'm just executing, right?

So it's the same thing.

Like I'm planning to help my
gun range build an association.

Okay.

This is how I'm going to plan the
rest of the time I'm going to execute.

Now, while I'm executing,
I track relentlessly.

So what that means is when it comes to
business, I know what my expenditure

is, what's coming in, how many in real
estate related, how many calls does

it take to convert an appointment?

How many appointments does
it take to convert a sale?

And I, now I'm, now I can look
and track all of those things.

Now, most people, what they do wrong.

It's the day two of calling, let's
just say there, they've been cold

calling strangers and they've got
nothing but a bunch of hangups

and FDs and so on and so forth.

Right.

And they're like this script, this
thing doesn't work and they give up.

Right.

But really you don't have enough data
to know if it does or doesn't work.

So I track, keep that data at the end
of the week or week two or month, a

quarter, whatever that that timetable is.

I review that data.

And so to your question, like a lot of
people are running with their arms, but.

I've had this question asked more than
any other question in real estate ever.

When an agent comes to me,
they always come to me, Sean,

I did 10 deals this year.

I want to do 20 next year.

Right.

And everybody at my brokerage is
going to laugh if they hear this.

Cause it's Herbie said a
million times, 10 deals.

I'm going to do 20 next year.

I'm like, okay, fantastic.

How are you going to do that?

The most common thing I hear
is I'm going to work harder.

Well, you're probably going
to have to, but that's great.

Right.

So let me ask you a question.

Okay.

If you were Elon Musk in front of your
million shareholders and you said,

Hey guys, next quarter, we're going to
do an extra billion dollars in sales.

Right.

And they said, Oh, that's awesome.

Elon.

How are you going to do that?

And you said, I'm going to work harder.

They'd all laugh.

And your stock would probably,
well, maybe you'll, it would go up,

but everybody else would go down.

Right.

So instead I always tell them, it's like,
listen, first of all, what is harder?

Your perspective on harder versus my
perspective might be two different things.

I might think hard is 500 calls a day.

You might think five is hard.

Right?

So everything I do is I plan, track, or
execute, track while I'm doing that, and

then reevaluate at a certain point in
time that I've planned to, to see what

is working, what can be done better, and
how can I reevaluate that to plan again,

execute, track, and do it all over.

And that's kind of been my methodology
for business since day one is

if I don't know what I'm doing.

Right.

And I don't know what the
consistency is and how it is.

And what are the numbers in front of me?

How do I know what to better change?

Totally.

And that's kind of, unfortunately,
what you're talking about is a lot of

these people are super busy, right?

Have you tracked what you're
actually doing, right?

What was your end goal in that?

What was your purpose
for doing that right now?

I'd rather have somebody busy arm out
there doing something rather than nothing.

Right.

Cause I feel like that's
most people in cases.

Right.

But I feel like there's a way to do it.

That's obviously going
to yield a better result.

Travis Bader: I love that.

Yeah.

That gives a lot of takeaway
for people who are listening.

Sean Zubor: Well, it, I think
understanding and knowing that

you have the ability to do this.

Massive.

It's huge.

It's huge.

And don't underestimate.

The power of your voice
and the things that you do.

And I know this kind of sounds preachy
or whatever it is, but it is the truth.

Like entire, the reason that we don't
have slavery in North America is

because people started changing and
it was one, two, three, four, and

they continuously grow from there.

Right.

The reason why a lot of the things
we don't like right now that are

happening in this is because those
voices are louder than ours and

there's more people doing action.

Then we are right.

And so I know we have this fear
of loss and it is a true fear.

And I'm not going to belittle the fact
that you can lose your entire company

by saying the wrong thing these days.

Right.

Usually easily.

And I'm not going to belittle
that that is the fact, right?

However, we all have to have
this internal conversation.

Like I mentioned before, is that
what is there a greater fear?

And what is your purpose?

Is it to leave your kids with
something different, right?

Or something that you will be proud of,
that at least I did something right.

Or is it, it doesn't matter how much
money you have, how much things you

saved, but if all of a sudden, and
I'm not saying we're going down this

route, but all of a sudden we turn into
communism, what does that worth anyways?

Travis Bader: Is there anything
that we haven't talked about

that we should talk about?

Sean Zubor: Oh, that's a good question.

Um,

there's, there's lots of
things I'd love to talk with.

This is a great conversation.

We're definitely going to have
a cigar night and talk more.

Um, I think, I think one of the things too
is, is, um, that I try to instill as much

as, as possible is, and you see this word
being tossed around a lot, but I'm trying

to be as grateful as I possibly can.

And I think this is something that
in business and these motivational

speakers, like, Oh, I'm so grateful.

I'm so this, I'm grateful for the fact
that I always tell myself, like, I have

two legs, I have this, I, I, it allows me
to ground myself into the presence, right?

Like, I'm grateful that.

I'm here having this
conversation with you.

This is an opportunity.

And I really appreciate that.

A lot of people can't get just because
of time or whatever the scenario is.

Right.

And so for myself, trying to be
more grateful and understanding,

if you're looking to succeed,
it's very difficult to succeed.

If you're not grateful for what you've
already done and what you already have.

And I feel like.

We, you know, one of the reasons we
have lost so much is because we weren't

grateful for what we had and we didn't
put the right things in place to enable,

to keep those things that we've had.

Right.

So I feel, I feel gratefulness
is something that I try

to be as much as possible.

How do

Travis Bader: you do that?

People talk about it.

They say, Oh, Hey, I'm grateful.

They'll write it into a text.

Yeah.

Hey, I'm really grateful.

How do you, do you show your gratitude?

Do you internalize that gratitude?

What is, what does that look

Sean Zubor: like?

So.

You know, obviously I'm grateful for
everything people do for me for, you

know, being able to even, I think
the grateful that I'm talking about

more or less is just truly being, and
this comes back momentum, uh, mental

Mori again, it's just, I'm alive.

You know, and when we talk about like,
you've been in your lows of your lows

and your highs, your highs, right.

It's grateful to have
money in your account.

Right.

But on the lows and lows, that's
the time where you have to

be the most grateful, right?

That's the time that if you really
want to get out of that funk or

wherever you are in that time and
world is the easiest way to do that.

It's like, okay, like, and I'm sure you
guys have all seen that GIF is, you know,

there's, there's a guy that's looking up.

And the guy has no feet or no legs.

And he's just looking at the guy with
the legs and the guy with the legs and

looking at guy with shoes and the guy
with the shoes, looking at guy with

the bike and the guy with the bike
is looking at the guy with the car.

We're always one step upping
where we're trying to be right.

I think if you want it to be an
actual impactful thing to yourself.

And I'm not just talking about
like, you know, hashtag grateful,

but actually having some importance
where you can feel the chemical change

it does in your body is you need to
actually be, look at yourself and be

like, what am I truly grateful for?

Like I.

I sat down yesterday with my kids
and I got a new black puppy, a

black lab puppy, and I'm sitting
there and I'm just like, wow, I'm

like, I got the dog that I wanted.

My kids are healthy.

Like I have lots of kids, like a
friend of mine, his kid passed away.

Like these are unimaginable things
and these things still may happen.

You know, like we don't have control
of what will happen in the future

when it comes to those things.

So being grateful when you, when
you practice it properly, and I'm

not trying to say there's a right
or wrong way, but you will know how

you feel when you think about it.

Travis Bader: You know, there's that, uh,
saying a rich person wants many things.

A sick person wants just one.

Yeah.

Sean, it was absolutely amazing
having you on the podcast.

Thank you so much for coming on here.

Sean Zubor: Thanks for having me, brother.

I appreciate it.

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The underlying goal of the
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passion in a way that brings value

to the audience and each other.

To that end today, I'm joined
by a man whose parents left

communist hungry in the seventies.

Is a former professional MMA competitor,
is an accomplished sheep hunter, has

almost gone bankrupt twice, and is now
the co founder of the multi billion

dollar sales company, Stonehouse Realty.

Welcome to the Silverquart podcast.

Sean's Zubor.

Thanks for having me, brother.

I'm excited to be here.

I am excited.

It was, uh, you know, a couple of
technical difficulties right at

the beginning, making sure we have
a hard drive on scene is always a,

a good thing if we want to record.

Usually helps.

Audio and video.

So before we get things rolling too far.

Like we're talking spit balling back
and forth, all of these different

things that we can chat about.

And that's kind of the, the,
uh, I find the Achilles heel of

podcasting is the best conversation
will happen before a podcast.

And when you press stop, then the
best conversation comes in because

everyone's feeling comfortable.

Yeah, totally.

Right.

And then the other one is if we talk too
much ahead of time, before we get into

a podcast, and we feel like, wow, we've
already told this story, but there's

one thing that we didn't bring up.

Yeah.

That you and I were talking about
on the phone, which I totally off

topic of really anything here, but
you met somebody pretty cool down at

Venice beach when you're working out.

I want to hear that story.

So long story short, the last couple
of weeks I've been incredibly busy.

So I've been everywhere
from LA to New York.

Sorry, before that it was in
Kelowna, LA, New York, and then

Oregon down getting at the bow rack
and my, uh, new, um, bow there.

But when I was in LA,
I'm like, I've always.

Growing up as a kid, my parents
obviously have that funny accent.

So, um, my dad's still to this day, you
can barely understand a word he says.

So I always admired, obviously,
Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Yeah.

So I'm there, the only reason, well,
I'm there for work, but the only reason

I drive or Ubered about 30 minutes
outside of where I was staying was

just to work out every single morning
at the Venice beach, Gold's, right?

The Mecca of bodybuilding.

So, so there I am.

Just working out, getting my pump on,
looking around, just flashing back to

every single Arnold movie I've ever seen.

He's plastered all over the thing as
long as well as all the other champions.

And I'm just about to leave.

So I'm literally grabbing a protein
shake from the vending machine.

I look back and I have never been,
I've been lucky enough to meet some

really cool people in the fighting
world and all this other kind of stuff.

Right.

Um, I look back and like a
little school girl that just

saw Justin Bieber or something.

I'm freezing, I can't even like,
get at my phone to take the

picture, cause there comes Arnold.

With three of his buddies, right?

One of them, I'm sure is his bodyguard
on his bicycle, just driving it

right up, walking right towards
me in the Mecca of bodybuilding.

I'm like, the reason that place
is famous because of this guy.

And I'm just like, in shock.

Finally, I managed to snap
some shots and what do I do?

Instantly I put everything away.

I'm like, can I go back in?

And I start working out with them,
like beside him, like a stalker.

And I can overhear their
conversations and all these things.

He was really nice enough to say hello.

I couldn't take a picture with him and I
don't blame him because at the end of the

day you'd never be able to get a workout
in and I'm sure all the 500 people working

out that day would be wanting to take
a picture with him but I can tell you

it was one of the craziest experiences.

I don't get starstruck
very often but it's Arnold.

It's Arnold.

No kidding.

That'd be a pretty cool experience.

I watched his series there.

Did you watch out on that?

I did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Interesting fellow, a lot of
drive, really, really hard worker.

You can tell that it's just been ingrained
in him from his, uh, from an early

age and from his family upbringing.

Uh, glossed over some of the
difficulties that he had, I felt, um.

Yeah, for myself, like, honestly, today,
we have a lot of differing opinions in the

world and politics and so on and so forth.

I I'm the kind of guy that you can
never take away from what you've

accomplished and done and his rise to
fame, what he's accomplished, like.

And that was the biggest experience, like
the biggest takeaway, like I said, I've

been lucky enough, like I've sat with Dana
White like this and he's a billionaire

and an amazing guy, multiple George St.

Pierre and all these other kinds of
guys when it came to the fighting world.

And I never really had this like, Oh
my God, kind of moment type thing.

Right.

But when sitting beside Arnold,
listening to him, talk to his son.

Uh, listening and talk to a couple
other people are just like, wow,

this guy really is flesh and blood.

And that was the biggest takeaway
of that entire meeting, right?

Was that he'll never
remember it, obviously.

Cause I'm just one out of the
billion people he's ever met, but.

What if he does?

Oh, that would be insane, but I doubt it.

Well, maybe he would, maybe
he like did a police report.

Cause I was like the stalker beside him.

That's possible.

But, uh, I just, I just remember
thinking the whole time I'm like,

wow, I'm like, he's lifting weights.

Like I am, he's right there.

It's just.

It puts into reality that even though he
is bigger than life in many cases, right.

That it is truly possible.

Like he is, has exact same blood,
the exact same fat, the exact same

muscle, muscle tissue that we do.

It's just what he's done with it is
significantly more than the average.

And I like that.

And you know, when I say the difficulties
they talked about, uh, but didn't

delve that deep into, there is.

A tendency in individuals,
humans are negatively biased.

We'll drive by a car accident and we're
rubber necking to see what happened.

I, I think that's just
an instinctual thing.

So we can look and say, um,
maybe I shouldn't speed.

Maybe I shouldn't do this.

Maybe I can learn from their mistake
and maybe some people look at it and

it's, uh, it's a leveling process.

Well, I guess I'm better
than them right now, right?

But there is also a piece to that puzzle
of the difficulties and challenges that

people have, and it's how they work
through it, because we all are flesh

and blood and those who will strive
for greater things will tend to have

more eyes on them and they'll tend
to fall harder than those who don't.

And you had a really cool
quote on your Instagram.

I've heard it before.

It's by a man who has a,
uh, an elk named after him.

Who I just literally visited
his house in New York, which

is where he was born, which was
really, really interesting to see.

So I'm going to read this one because
this is what really intrigued me

about our conversation that we had.

We can talk about hunting.

We can talk about a number of things.

You're good friends with, uh, past podcast
guests at Blavois who says, Sean is a hell

of a leader and talking about leadership
in your role and your work and what you

do as well as in the outdoors world, in
the hunting and angling and there, there's

a, a need for people to understand the.

Amount of agency that each individual
has and the effect that each

individual can have on their personal
surroundings and those around them.

And this poem, it's not a poem.

It's just, well, there's a rhyme.

Is it a poem?

What would you call it?

It's a, it was a speech actually.

A speech.

Yep.

So, uh, Theodore Roosevelt, of
course, president 1901 to 1909.

Has this one man in the arena, it is
not the critic who counts, not the

man who points out how the strong
man stumbles or where the doer of

deeds could have done them better.

The credit belongs to the man who
is actually in the arena, whose

face is marred by dust and sweat
and blood, who strives valiantly.

Who errs, who comes short again and
again, because there is no effort

without error and shortcoming, but
who does actually strive to do the

deeds, who knows great enthusiasms,
the great devotions, who spends himself

in a worthy cause, who at the best.

Knows in the end, the triumph of high
achievement and who had the worst.

If he fails, at least fails while daring
greatly so that his place shall never

be with those cold and timid souls
who neither know victory nor defeat.

I like that one.

And that is sort of.

What I felt is the crux of what you're
going through at the moment and kind

of what your journey is taking you.

Yeah.

And I mean that, first of all, I wish I
had your voice cause that sounded amazing.

Second of all, um, yeah, that's
basically been more or less that

type of mentality has been something
that has really stuck with me.

Um, so Theodore Roosevelt.

Along with many others.

And I've kind of found myself along.

This has really got into like stoicism
and it's, and it's understanding our

place in this world, understanding
where it's not a religion.

It's just understanding that today
is just today and we cannot take

ourselves too seriously, but we can
also not take ourselves too lightly.

Right.

And unfortunately, a lot of us get
stuck in this thought process of we are

who we are today based on our past or
where we are going to be in the future.

The reality is, is some of that is
true, of course, you know, the way you

look, the way you act and what you do.

Does reflect a lot of what
you have done in the past.

However, um, the past is done.

It is no longer here.

It's a complete illusion.

Tomorrow I could get hit by the bus.

We could hit, hit by an asteroid.

So if I'm looking for happiness, if I'm
looking for something that's going to

fulfill me based on an accomplishment
in the future, that may never come.

Right.

So.

And I feel like, and I, what, what
he talks about really in this poem

or in this speech actually is he's
talking about the fact that we allow

ourselves to criticize ourselves.

We allow ourselves to criticize others.

We, we get whatever we do
get affected by others, the

thoughts and opinions about us.

Right.

Instead of taking all that in
ourselves and just creating action.

Right.

And jujitsu, for example, which seven I've
trained together for, we're not together,

but that's how we actually met each other.

Um, they have a saying
that they say all the time.

It's like you either win or
you learn and that's about it.

There is no losing, right?

Your loss just teaches you
something to do better.

And unfortunately this day and age, and
this is really when it comes to this

leadership aspect, this day and age, we
are looking for instant gratification.

All of the time.

Right.

And it comes to everything even in like
the hunting and, and whatever you may be

looking at, you want to compare yourself
and, and it's difficult for like my

boys my age or that I have, for example,
they're eight and four years old, hunter

and Jack and Hunter looks at YouTube and
he's telling me like he wants to watch his

macros and he wants to whatever, and he
wants to be a YouTuber and he wants to get

this and jacked and so on and so forth.

So obviously, do I
promote healthy lifestyle?

Of course, but it is.

We are constantly
looking for affirmations.

We're constantly looking for
positive reinforcement, and we're

comparing ourselves to what most
of the time is not even reality.

Right?

Majority of the things we see
on Instagram, Facebook, Tik TOK,

all these other types of things.

A, they're filtered their hair, you
know, or it is their peak of that

person's personal conditioning ever,
or, you know, they're flashing.

And this is one thing I talk about
all the time, people that have done

well financially, they're flashing
all their watches and their cars.

And 90% of the people that I know that
do that don't have a pot to piss in.

You know what I mean?

Like they're leasing all of it.

Whereas a guy that I know is
legitimately a billionaire, you

would never know from the, you know,
meeting him, he's driving a, uh,

1990 something, you know what I mean?

So yeah, this is, this is kind of that
poems just really where that speech is

really something that's resonated with me
and that type of mindset of action first.

Um, obviously it's thoughtful action, but
action first, don't let other people judge

or, or really guide you unless you are
looking for that specific guide, right?

It's unless that's somebody
that's a mentor, maybe a mentor.

Um, I don't give a shit generally
what people think about me.

Right.

And it's not something that it's like,
I only care what I think about myself.

That's not the case.

And do I have to listen if I'm
doing something wrong, I care

about what the people that are
close to me think about me.

Right.

Because obviously that's a reflection
on how I'm treating them and how I'm

at, uh, what I'm offering them and
what I'm giving back to the world.

But in general, if I was continuously
looking at what other people's

thoughts of were me or about me, sorry.

I would be all over the map.

You know what I mean?

Some people want me to.

Yeah, you'd be paralyzed with indecision.

Exactly.

Exactly.

There's, um, flew into Smithers and you
can always tell the anglers, they got

their, their rods and now they make, uh,
ones that can pack down pretty small.

So it's getting a little bit tougher,
but, uh, uh, older gentleman there and

he had some, uh, old Patagonia luggage
and Patagonia gear he is wearing.

And yeah, definitely looks like an
angler anyways, is meeting with the, um.

Buddy of mine, he owns a, uh, uh, Skeena
Spey Lodge up there and we're, uh, over

dinner, we're talking about some stuff.

He says, oh yeah, you know, the owner of
Patagonia is actually up here right now.

He just flew in.

I'm like, oh, what's his name?

And he gives his name.

And I, I should know his name, but I
forget like, can I see a picture of him?

I saw him on the plane.

He was on the airplane.

You would never know it.

This guy owns multi million, billion
dollar company, clothing company.

And he's wearing like gear
that hasn't been made in years.

And because there's a
different motivator there.

There's something that motivates
an individual who is, um, just

trying to impress others to the
one who has something a little

bit deeper that's driving them.

And I've seen, I've seen people
who are highly successful in life.

And there's, there seems
to be a common trend.

There's one where people come from
backgrounds of, um, affluence and

influence and they're kind of born
into it, but the ones who really

kind of go are the ones who.

Weren't born into it.

And I don't know you very well, but I get
the sense that you've had to fight for it.

Yeah.

So definitely.

So I've always been ambitious as a
kid, but my mom's an esthetician.

She's just retiring.

My dad was a long haul truck driver.

Um, both of them fled communist
Hungary in the seventies.

Um, I was born in Edmonton.

My dad worked on, at NOSCO, um,
driving truck on the, on the oil line.

On the oil rigs.

So no, I never, I, I wouldn't say I
was in poverty or anything like that.

They were always hard workers and they're
really the people that have instilled

that hard work ethic, uh, into me.

But, um, I've, I've always had this
vision of becoming something greater.

Right.

It may sound mosaic or something.

I don't know.

It's just always been inside of
me, to be very honest now for.

For myself, it's never been
necessarily just because I want money.

It's not, we're briefly
talking about this earlier.

I have lots of people that, a
lot of my friends, coworkers

drive Lamborghinis and Ferraris.

It's not really my thing.

I'd rather go take off for three months
in the mountains and go find me a sheep.

Right.

But, um, for myself.

It's about the same price.

These days, yeah, tell me.

Yeah, I, I, I'm still too
cheap to go on a guided hunt.

I'm going to have to do
that one day, but, um, it's.

For me, it's, it's about what
I can do with that money.

It's about the constant accomplishment.

It's about the growth.

It's about watching the more that I grow.

Like, for example, when we started the
company in 2017, we had 12 agents, right?

So it was myself, my business
partner and our teams.

And so, and we had one admin.

Now we have, you know, we're pushing
500 agents, give or take, doing

billions of dollars in transaction,
20 odd full time employees.

So, The scope of what I am
responsible for has grown as well.

So you grow with that, right?

And so where I'm envisioning and
where I want to go next is more

growth to be able to help more people.

And I saw, I know that sounds kind
of weird, but it's beyond this money.

It's creating, maybe it's legacy.

Maybe I'm not sure what it
is, but it's this passion that

has nothing to do with money.

And I know that sounds funny because
I have money and I don't mean to

sound like an egotistical maniac,
but I'm not poor, but I feel like.

As humans, what we, once
our basic necessities are

covered, you know what I mean?

The lifestyle that we want to
live, live hits, hits a point.

Either we stagnate or we
find another reason to grow.

Right.

And for me, that growth, the
other reason to grow has been

to help society change society.

Or just have another positive,
uh, outlook, another positive

voice out there, um, for change.

And what I feel like we're
heading down a little bit of

a disastrous route right now.

You know, Rockefeller was once
asked, you got so much money.

How much do you really need?

Asked this by a reporter.

And he says, just 1
more, always just 1 more.

And was he covetous of the money?

Um, Perhaps, or was it the process
of building that intrigued him

to want to continue doing this?

Cause I can see that creation process, but
if you're always looking for the dollar,

like I'm going to be happy when I have X
amount of money, studies have shown there

is, there is a bit of a point, right?

Where money will bring happiness, right?

If you're not eating, if you don't
have shelter, if you don't have

your basic necessities, Matt.

You're probably not going to be quite as
happy as if you've got a full belly and

a roof over your head and you're warm and
you're, and you've got these necessities.

But beyond that, studies
have shown that money is a

demotivator for human performance.

Unless the task is you build one widget,
you get 1, one token, whatever you

build to you get to money has a direct.

Motivator for that, anything that
requires a level of creativity or

some sort of personal satisfaction or
gratification that's involved with it,

money has the adverse effect on the
individual that the more money you want

to throw at that person in order to
create more, be a better artist, right.

It actually has the opposite effect.

Yeah.

And I can totally see that for, for
myself, as I mentioned before, it's, and

it's kind of comes back to that whole
stoicism, uh, concept is, you know,

if you look at Marcus Aurelius, who's
one of the great Stoics, this guy was

an emperor, an emperor of Rome, like.

It's very hard for us in today's time to
fathom the power of an emperor of Rome.

Like he would look at your wife
and be like, that's my wife now.

And that's his wife.

You know, he would go off with
his head and off with his head.

Like it's a different level of power yet.

He literally had to tell himself
daily that I'm just a man.

Right.

That I will die.

Right.

That I have mortality, that what's
the point of being a man if I'm

not doing something useful in life.

Right.

And so one of the, and I'm paraphrasing
because it's saying it completely

different, but one of the things that
stands out that I love about what he would

say is as human beings, we are the only
species on the planet that can wake up and

decide to keep the duvets over our head.

And go back to sleep when a
B wakes up, what does a B do?

The B does B shit.

When a grizzly bear wakes up,
what does a grizzly bear do?

Does this grizzly bear is being a
grizzly bear and every other life form.

They're not thinking about tomorrow.

They're not thinking about yesterday.

They don't even have the concept of time,
which is a blessing and a negative to us.

Right.

But we are the only ones.

And so what ends up happening and why
one of these reasons that I've seen so

many people that are depressed, that
are, it, it is not even depression.

It is boredom.

We are not finding
ourselves useful to society.

We are not giving anything.

So we do not feel accomplished.

And instead.

Our society is turned into a world where
we expect the government to give to us.

We expect others to give to us.

We are wanting to feel that we are
taken care of instead of having

this personal responsibility.

And if you generally want to
feel amazing about yourself.

Go do some hard shit, provide, give,
and you are going to feel like the

person you're supposed to be, right?

And I think this is probably one of
the biggest issues we've had in the

previous decades is this cultural
shift of take instead of give.

And no matter what, you know,
I don't know the exact, uh,

percentage, but it's incredibly high.

It's something like 70 or 80% of
the people that win the lottery.

End up going bankrupt within five years.

Yeah.

And, and, and more than just bankrupt,
like serious, uh, depressive issues,

uh, uh, substance abuse, um, just
don't know how to handle this.

And this one thing that they
thought would bring them happiness.

Yeah.

And, and it's funny, it's so bad that
the fact that the British Columbian

government, once you win the lottery,
they automatically send you towards

people with financial services and all
these other things, because people are

so inclined to blow it all and go, and,
and the reason for that is, it's not

the money that makes you happy, right?

For me, it's not the fact that
I have a little bit of money.

It's the fact of I created this money.

Right.

It wasn't given to me.

I know what I had to do, right?

Why people always ask me, why do
you like doing this hard shit?

I'm running ultra marathons and,
you know, fighting him or was

fighting MMA and, you know, training
and all this other kind of stuff.

Why do I put myself through this?

This is, this is what actually
makes you feel good in life.

Right.

Like I use this as an example all
the time, but when you sit down at

Thanksgiving dinner with your family
or Christmas dinner or whatever, right.

What are you bragging about?

Are you bragging about, or talking
about the, you spent three days

on the couch watching Netflix?

No.

What are you bragging?

You're bragging about the
accomplishments that you've done.

You went for a run.

I lost 20 pounds.

I did.

Is it the 20 pounds of loss?

That makes you feel good.

Sure.

You look better in the mirror, but
it's the fact that you did shit you

weren't doing before you ate better.

You trained better.

You did whatever it took to
make you a better person.

This is what makes us feel good.

And I feel like, unfortunately, right
now we're relying on the dopamine

hits and rushes of outside sources,
video games, whatever it may be,

instead of doing it ourselves.

Well, that's not really
a new trend either.

I was watching, I think it was
drag net and this, uh, old, old.

Dragnet episode.

And they're one of the guys,
I forget his name is lecturing

the young whippersnappers
about how they like everything.

So instantaneous, you pick up a phone
and dial it and you're able to get a

hold of a friend and you have, you turn
on the radio and you can hear things

are coming in right away and, and it's.

It's funny how it's exact same
conversation that's happening now, just

with different devices and a different
speed, um, that was happening back then.

Like there is a natural inclination
for humans, for creatures in general,

whether that be game animals.

There's a reason there are
game trails, because there is

a path of least resistance.

Other people have traveled it.

It's probably going to be safe and okay.

That's the place where
I'm going to set up.

If I'm hunting, it's going to be on the
game trail, people are the same way.

And that level of safety and security that
people will travel down doesn't lead to

great innovation and what you're pointing
out as well, it really doesn't lead.

To a great sense of self
accomplishment or happiness.

Yeah.

Just to put it in perspective,
like what you just said.

So if you're the game and you're going
down the game trail, where did you just

set up your, uh, your hunting stand?

You got it.

On the game trail.

So where are you going to pop that
deer or whatever it's going to be?

It's on that game trail.

So it now, are there
obviously reasons and what?

And ways and why you should take
that game trail in life in certain

reasons, a hundred percent, but
there has to be a portion of your

life that you can be proud of this.

These are the things that get you
out of depression that gets you

moving one step forward in front that
actually make you have self worth.

And that's really what you
cannot be given self worth.

You cannot be handed self worth.

You have to create that
amongst yourselves.

And I feel like that is
probably the biggest.

Issue we're having right now.

And I look at society in general is.

You know, we always hear that saying good
men, uh, what does it help me out here?

So hard times make good men, good men,
make good times, good times, make weak

men, weak men, make hard times, right?

And so right now we're in a place,
if you look at society in general is

they've never suffered as a society
in the last 20 years, 30 years, 50

years, really since the Vietnam war,
when there was a draft, there really

hasn't been an extreme hardship.

Now, don't get me wrong.

Obviously there's been individuals that
have been on frontline and gone to war

and so on and so forth, but it's never
been forced on the general public.

People do not know what famine is.

People do not hear
anyways in North America.

So we are now searching for
reasons to feel bad about

ourselves, that this is our heart.

This is our generation's hard time.

You know, like, I don't know what,
uh, gender I am, look at me roar.

Like this is my generation's hard time.

And instead we can, we don't need
to have global hard times, which was

unfortunately, it looks like the way
we're heading in many cases to be able

to make ourselves good men and women.

We just need to continuously
be responsible for ourselves

and put ourselves through
these tests and put ourselves.

Forcing ourselves to do things that we
may not want to do, but it's a betterment

of not just our country, ourselves,
our family, our society in general.

And I feel like that's kind of
where we've lost in translation.

And unfortunately, this is one of the main
reasons I love coming on these podcasts

and talking about this kind of stuff is
because this is what I'm trying to help

and try to solve if I could at all, this
would be the one, the one motivating

factor that I really have right now.

So Jim Shockey was talking with him
recently and, uh, he says, you know, Trav.

I've worked hard.

I've had some pretty cool
stories, great successes.

I've enjoyed it along the way with my
family and I've shared the trappings

of my success with my family.

And I'm wondering if I didn't do
them a disservice, if I didn't do

my kids a disservice of allowing
them to succeed or fail on their

own accord in certain places.

And it was a very interesting
thing that he was talking about.

You work so hard to provide
for yourself and for those that

you love, those around you.

But are you doing them the disservice
by not allowing them to struggle?

And you're just, you're mentioning,
you know, the, the human struggle,

there's always going to be a struggle.

It's always going to be relative, right?

Um, you could have
everything taken from you.

And still be happy and struggling
alongside individuals, just like

in concentration camps, Victor
Frankl and his famous quote.

And I've said it here before.

One thing you can't take from me as a
way I choose to respond to what you do

to me, last of life's great freedoms
is one's ability to choose their own

attitude in any given circumstance,
but that attitude is going to be, um,

tempered by your past life experiences,
by the social norms of what's going on.

I would think that the, the, the hardships
that people are encountering, perhaps.

Aren't as the, shouldn't be diminished,
whatever those hardships might be,

but they should be shown a path
forward to something that maybe will

provide them with something that's
going to be a more desirable outcome

because you know, devil's hands,
idle hands make for devil's work.

And when there's too much idleness going
on, I think you find yourself in what you

and I were talking before on the phone,
where you feel that there's a direction

that some of the world might be heading.

I think that is, um, It's not
a good, it's not a good place.

It, to add to that too.

And I, and I don't like, I'm
not even speaking really even

politically, you know, I'm not the
left, the right, whatever it is.

There are a lot of people on both sides.

Generally that are going down this
path of lack of self responsibility.

And what I mean by that is, is, you
know, you have the far right, for

example, I'd use them because I'm
sure most people are going to consider

us right in, in, in most aspects.

Right.

But there's a lot of those guys
that are, you know, you would call

conspiracy theorists or whatever.

And even if they write or wrong, they're
looking for a Messiah amongst a leader.

To take care of them, you know,
they're like, okay, well, we

need to get rid of this guy.

We need to get rid of Trudeau.

We need to get rid of
all these other guys.

And this guy is going to save us.

Right.

And on the polar opposite,
you have socialists,

communists, whatever it may be.

Right.

And these guys are like, okay,
well, we need to all be equal.

And this person's going to save us.

Right.

So both sides are many aspects.

Are looking for something outside
of themselves to really save them.

Why do you think that is?

Because it's easier.

Sure.

Without a doubt.

That is the only reason I am generally.

And the reason why I say that is, is
because is there lack of guidance?

So do I believe in mentorship?

Sure.

I coach tons of people and
mentorship is something that.

I'm, I'm a huge believer.

And I think that's really the only hack
in life is to learn from somebody else

that you want to emulate or be like.

That's a huge life hack.

Huge.

Um, but I also feel like it is a lot
easier to say, Hey, that person over

there can make everything better.

Whereas the reality is I want to
be the man personally, that I'm

the only one that's responsible
for making my life better.

Right.

And so it's a difference in
mentality that I've seen in

most of these successful people.

Like look at the people that have
come from actual hardships, right?

And I'm not trying to
diminish people's hardships.

There's definitely depression.

There's definitely a
lot of things out there.

But if you look at people that.

Have literally grown up in the streets.

I have a friend of mine that now, um, is
in Kelowna multimillion dollar realtor.

He was homeless.

Nine years ago, living
in the streets, right?

Went through, you know,
parents had alcohol abuse,

all this other kinds of stuff.

Like that is a nasty story
to begin with, right?

But he took responsibility for the
position where he is right there.

Obviously that he start.

At a negative for sure.

But him being on the streets,
there's only one person that's

going to take care of that.

And if somebody came along and helped
them off the streets, right, that that's

always a gracious, great thing to do,
but he's going to end up back on the

streets unless he does something to kind
of fix what originally was that problem.

So I feel that's for myself.

It's understanding that the responsibility
is solely mine is the first step to

being, and even if it, one of my clients.

She's, um, I won't go into too
much of it, but, but she, famous

model, extremely famous model,
um, especially within Canada.

So she has a horrific backstory,
horrific, but she's very much into

stoicism and all these other things.

And what I mean by horrific
backstory growing up as a model,

she was raped multiple times, all
kinds of crazy situations, right?

Or twice, she said.

And so she's telling me this story
and she's sitting down with her

psychologist and her psychiatrist.

And they're basically telling her
that, you know, it's okay to cry.

Like, I can't believe he did this to you.

In her minds, in her words, not mine,
they were enabling the victim mindset.

You see that a lot.

Tons.

So what she said to them is
she's like, listen, it never.

We'll change the fact that what
these people did to me was horrific.

It will never change that.

They did that.

That's on them to worry about.

That's on their conscience.

That's on them.

Right.

However, if I want to live in
peace, I need to take responsibility

for my portion of the action.

Right.

And so most of us, when she was thinking,
saying this, like, all I could think

about is hanging these guys by a noose.

You know what I mean?

Like, I think most men would
think the exact same thing.

What do you mean take this responsibility?

How could you take
responsibility for getting raped?

Like, how does that even make sense?

But then she says, you know what,
Sean, I was drunk, I was in bad spots.

I was hanging out with the wrong crowds.

I put myself in this place and
this is what she's telling me.

And she's like, this doesn't
diminish what they did to me.

However.

If I don't allow myself to take some
responsibility for it, how can I have

control going for, uh, going forward?

Every day moving forward, I would
have to be like, okay, anybody can

attack me any single time they want.

Anything, and I would
live in continuous fear.

So this was this groundbreaking moment for
me when she's telling me this, because it

makes sense, it doesn't make sense, but
it makes sense at the same time is that

she's enabling herself to take control
simply by the fact that she's enabled,

she's telling herself, well, these are
the things that could have changed.

These are what I'm taking responsibility
for in these parts, which was

something that I'm talking about today.

I've never really forgot ever.

Yeah, it's, it's a very powerful
tool for somebody to be able

to use if they want to try and
control every aspect of their life.

But there's also another side to
that, which is the water is going

to reflect your image, right?

Did you make it reflect your image?

Well, maybe you stepped in front of it.

Maybe you have to be there, but sometimes
some things just happen and we just

have to understand that, um, maybe.

As we move forward, having that
level of control will definitely

give you, uh, that sense of control,
but in the same breath, being able

to let go of certain things too.

Totally.

Because if you try and control absolutely
every aspect of your life, you're going

to be, you're going to be a nervous wreck.

Totally.

That victim mentality that's
talked about is one that, um,

that we see a lot in society.

And one of the things that you and I had
talked about before was just, you know,

um, In let's say the, the listeners to
the podcast, a lot of people own firearms.

A lot of people are in
the hunting community.

A lot of people are looking for that
savior to come out and say, who's going to

be the one who comes and changes the laws
so we can get what we want or makes it so

we can hunt in whatever area it might be.

And empowering the individual to have
a sense of agency as to what they're

actually able to affect around them.

I'm, I'm not entirely sold that
everybody will, uh, wait for somebody

else to do it because they're lazy.

I definitely think that's part of
the puzzle, but I, I think there's

a lot of people who are also afraid.

They're afraid to step up and
put their neck out or be in the

forefront because they know.

When you're out there, you might look
behind you and see a whole bunch of

people like, yeah, you're doing great.

You're awesome.

But the second things go sideways,
you're out there in the wind.

So that takes a certain amount of
mental, emotional strength for an

individual to, to, to make these changes.

I agree a hundred percent.

And yeah, it, it's a combination of it's
easier to vote for somebody or to be

that somebody, a combination of fear.

A lot of times though.

Especially in business.

And I would say it's even
to do with this as well.

Fear is based a lot on ego.

And what I mean by that is not confidence.

It's not that type of ego,
but fear and ego play a role.

So I'll give you an example
when it comes to even what

you're talking about right now.

But.

More so even in like real estate and sales
and real estate, we're always out there

door knocking, cold calling, doing things
that make most people uncomfortable.

Right.

And why do they make you uncomfortable?

Because somebody is going
to reject you, right?

Somebody is going to, in your
mind, think differently of you.

And why does that affect you?

Because it hurts your ego.

It makes you feel like less of a person.

And this is the same kind of thing is
why don't we stand up for our gun rights?

Personally, why don't we post
something on social media?

You know, why aren't more, because
funny enough, I know tons of business

people that all own firearms that are
very more of like vote conservative

or whatever you want to say, but
they would never post any of that

kind of stuff on their public forums.

And the reason for that is like
you said, it's fear of loss.

It's fear of I'm going
to lose customer base.

It's fear I'm going to, you know,
um, say something that will.

Uh, jeopardize my business.

It's a fear of loss of
losing my, my, my home.

It's an all fear relates to
death in one way or another.

We cycle through all these things.

And you know, one of the clear things
they say is like, okay, well, if I

say this, and this is how our minds.

Subconsciously work, if I knock on
this door and they reject me, I'm

never going to get another sale, which
means I'm never going to have money,

which means I'm going to go bankrupt.

I'm not going to be able to
eat and I'm going to die.

Like this is how we cycle through
these processes if we like it or not.

Right.

And so to back to what you're saying,
and I, and I'm in a complete agreement

is why is it that we are afraid?

To, to make a stand or not even to make
a stand, just make a personal statement.

And I feel like it's because
we have this fear of loss.

And then the other reason is
unfortunately, because we don't own a lot

of the media stations and we don't own
like what I say, we is like the people

that in the same type of thought pattern
that we're talking about right now.

And so we don't have a
lot of standard backing.

And we don't back each other as much as
we should, and as much as a lot of the

others do, or the opposite opinions do.

And so, like you said, there might
be, it'd be like, oh yeah, go for it.

Go get them guys.

And then all of a sudden you're on TV
and now you become some sort of gun

toting maniac or something like that,
because you support firearms, all of a

sudden that, that choir that was behind
you silences pretty quick, that support.

There's a guy who was.

Seeing him recently, I guess
he's got quite the following

and I'm not sure who he was.

Maybe I should have
known who this guy was.

Asian fellow says, um, I tweeted
or posted saying, you know, I,

I liked the Joe Rogan podcast.

Right.

And I just re shared that one.

That's so funny.

You said that.

So there you go.

So I don't know who that fellow was.

Should I know who that person is?

No.

Okay.

So he says, I liked the Joe Rogan
podcast immediately lost like

15, 000 followers and people are
like, you, you got, you got to.

Take that post down.

You can't put that out to people he does
work with or telling them to change it.

And he's like, no, they
they're calling them racist.

They're calling them right wing.

I don't agree with
everything the guy says.

I just enjoyed listening to this
episode and I, and I liked it, but

no, no, I'm not going to change that.

I'm not going to take that post down.

I'm, I'm not making a stance so
to speak, but I'm also not going

to just kowtow to the masses so
that it makes you feel happy.

If someone's got a fire
in them and they've got a.

A desire to share something with
the rest of the world or their close

friends or whoever it might be.

Who is it for everybody else?

Provided they're doing
this in a positive way.

They're not hurting other people.

They're doing things that are
going to be, uh, hopefully

moving towards a better place.

Who is it for everyone to say, well, we
like that you're trying to be positive,

but here's the proper way to do it.

Right.

Well, and, and the, unfortunately
what it is too, is, and I agree with

you, everything you're saying is,
unfortunately right now there's.

There's not enough support
for people that do that.

Right.

And I'll give you an example, right?

I am, everybody in my brokerage knows
I'm very conservative, vote conservative,

not to get too political, but whatever,
but that's my political stance.

Sure.

I have somebody that ran for the NDP MLA.

In one of our constitutes, and
I have no problem with that.

I'm the kind of guy that if we can have
an intelligent debate or talk or whatever,

or decide not to talk politics, I'm
okay, I'm a human being, and I'm going

to treat you like a human being, right?

Unfortunately, right
now, we're so polarized.

And I'm not going to blame one side or
the other, but we're so polarized that we

can't even have an expression of thought.

And once we lose this expression
of thought, then all of a sudden we

start going downhill into so many
different things that lead nowhere good.

And I think like the first thing,
just like that gentleman said, Is

that there needs to be more people
that just stand up for the freedom of

expression of thought and the freedom
of expression of verbalizing those

things that you're thinking and getting
your opinion out there one side.

It's okay to do the other side.

Not so much apparently right now, but
We need to also support those that say,

and on both sides, if you agree or don't
agree with them, it doesn't mean we need

to tear everybody else to bring them down.

You know what I mean?

We just need to have everybody
have an opportunity to say

what they think equally without
automatically throwing labels into it.

For example, like now, you know,
and he's an Asian American guy.

Now he's racist.

Now he's a bigot.

Now he's whatever, because
he watches the show.

And unfortunately we take too many
things on both sides and even.

You know, I'm, I'm just going to play
the devil's advocate on this, even the

right side, as soon as somebody says
something about universal healthcare or

whatever, and this is just their opinion,
they're automatically a communist.

Do you know what I mean?

And obviously on the other side,
if you like Joe Rogan, you're a

fascist or whatever it is, right?

I think we need to stop labeling
these things and just understand this

conversation and support the conversation.

The art of civil discourse seems
to be a bit of a lost art, the

ability to separate Argument from
the individual seems to be lost.

And I don't think that's an
unintentional consequence.

I think there is, I think there's a
lot of power to having people sidle up

their personality, their persona, their
ego, and all the rest with whatever

their, their thoughts are at the time.

Um, it's a good way to
be able to, um, affect.

Change, whether that's positive or,
or a negative change in the masses

is to be able to have people identify
in certain groups where you can

start separating and dividing and.

It's not always coming from a place
of, of, uh, of evil quite often.

It's coming from a place of, of
wanting to do the right thing.

They see here's an altruistic
idea of where society could be

or what we should be able to do.

Wouldn't it be great if
we didn't have any guns?

Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have any
drugs and we wouldn't have drug problems.

We wouldn't have.

Uh, violence in the streets
that are firearms related.

And that, that sounds fantastic, right?

But the reality is a lot more
nuanced than that, than that.

And the reality of the effect of
that is never, never seems to prove

out in the way that an individual
tries to, to push it forward.

So.

Separating you as an individual
from some of the things that you

might be saying, I think is a skill,
which, and you're talking about

stoicism, which is starting to come
back into fashion out of necessity.

Yeah.

And you can see that with, you know,
Joe Rogan, for example, I mean, he gets

more views than CNN does now, right?

So you're starting to see some
positive momentum, even friends.

I was like, as I mentioned,
I was just in LA.

The gentleman I was meeting with, um,
staunch lefter, if you want to call

it that, um, he's now started, he
considers himself middle because, which

he says in terms puts him to the right.

And it's just because he's seen.

All the looting, all the
things that are happening.

He's going through a court case
right now because of the civil

laws in, uh, California that
just make absolutely no sense.

And he literally is going to have to
pay somebody a hundred thousand us, um,

for hiring somebody that lied to them.

But the only reason he has to do
that is cause he's going to win.

But if he loses by 1, if he's owed
this person 1, he's got to cover both

legal expenses, which is 600, 000.

End cost.

End cost.

So.

For him, he's just like, okay, this
is, you know, we've turned into a

society where I can literally get a
job, sue somebody and live off that.

That's now my new job is suing people.

So I feel like you're starting to
notice that where that original idea

came from of, you know, those end costs
and so on and so forth, like you said,

altruistic idea, you don't want the poor
not to be able to afford to do justice.

Right.

But what we've done is we've
attached too much emotion.

To a lot of these processes, right?

We've attached too much
emotion to politics.

We've attached too much emotion to
most things and it's based on our

feelings, not based on logic anymore.

And I feel like that is one of
our biggest differentiators.

I feel like growing up or
I'll give a perfect example.

This is a little bit, uh,
off topic, but right now.

So.

Our grandparents, the population was
about two and a half billion people

back in like the forties and fifties.

Now we're close to 8 billion.

Um, now because the population,
you would think that the

competition would be significantly
higher to do well in business.

Right.

But then also you have now eight people,
8 billion people, half of which are

in middle class, maybe one third of
which are middle class to sell to.

Right.

In this specific time, you would
think it would be more or less even

on how easy it is to become wealthy or
how easy it is to create a business.

The reality is this is the easiest time
it has ever been to become wealthy.

And it's not just because of social
media and the fact that you can become

famous, basically on your own accord.

You don't have to go through whatever
it's because of the mentality of

these people and where, where.

The majority of the masses are not
willing to disassociate their emotion,

are not willing to disassociate, um,
the things that make them feel upset

and just do the work, do the actions,
do the things to become successful.

So that's why you're seeing a massive.

A wealth gap between the, you know,
the percenters and everybody else

is because they're taking a massive
proportionate advantage by outworking,

creating these systems and doing the
things other people don't want to do.

And so I, my general opinion
is, is that if we can shift that

mindset and you're right, there
is a shift coming, you can see.

It, it, it happening.

People are starting to get fed up with,
you know, like the laws in California

where I think it's under 50 bucks, you
can steal anything and you're never going

to get charged or whatever it is like
all these, yeah, it's literally people

are walking in and stealing 49 worth of
stuff and they can't do anything about it.

Hmm.

You have major institutions moving
out of Calgary or sorry, major

institutions moving out of California.

You're seeing that there has never
been such a massive shift from

California to places like Texas
and Florida and so on and so forth,

because this governance is creating.

Right.

And it's, and remember, we always blame
government and we always do, but the

reality is it, government is our blame.

That's right.

Right.

We're the ones that voted that in.

That's the lifestyle.

That's the society.

That's what we asked for.

Right.

So we got to be very careful what we ask
for and what we're going to put on the

government versus what we're going to have
to take responsibility for, for ourselves.

So my mind's racing.

I've got a few different things,
perhaps what I'll do is I'll just

follow up on a few things that you
said previously, and you're talking

about, you know, fear of death and
ego, and that's causing indecisions.

Have you heard this story?

There is no tiger.

No.

Okay.

Um, guy goes, has a terrible day
at work, does a sales thing with

his boss watch and absolutely
dive bombs, crashes, burns, right?

On an out of town trip.

And anyways, at night
he goes down to the bar.

Empty place, except for the bartender
in there and talking with her.

She's a real tough Polish woman and makes
him up a, uh, makes him up a martini.

And, uh, he looks and he says, you
know, this is a time when people

having tattoos, particularly
women, it wasn't a common thing.

And she's got a, it looks like basically
a prison tattoo she gave herself.

And, uh, and, uh, he
says, oh, what is that?

He says, oh, it's this.

There is no tigers, what
we say and where I'm from.

She says, he says, and I don't get it.

She says, well, you know, back
in the day, people were running

from tigers and getting eaten by
bears and falling through ice.

And death was a very real
consequence of day to day living.

She says, there is no tiger.

There's no longer a tiger.

And he's like, you know what, uh, totally
applies to me and my situation right

now where I was absolutely devastated
and everything was falling apart on me.

Okay.

I bombed that sucked.

There is no tiger.

Right.

And so, and that's something
that, uh, I'll, I'll say to myself

or I'll say to others, right.

If they're having a bad day
or something's going, not the

way they figured it should be.

There is no tiger.

And that's awesome perspective.

I love that story.

It's, it's funny that you mentioned that.

So, uh, getting into my, you
know, mid thirties, things are

changing, obviously, uh, body wise,
hormonal wise, all that stuff.

So I went to go get blood tests.

And in my blood tests, it showed up that
my cortisol levels were pretty high.

And this is before I kind of
got back into the training and

everything like that as well.

So the doctor that I have,
awesome guy, I go to him.

I'm like, Hey, so what does this mean?

He's like, it means simply
you're stressed out.

This cortisol is more or
less like the flight of.

Fight response chemical for your body.

And he was giving me this, I did some
research on it as well, but he was

giving me this entire backstory on
why this exists and you know, why it

is brought up and so on and so forth.

So it was basically.

When we were getting attacked by those
lions, tigers, bears, whatever it was

in the past, this was a hormone that
was released to kind of protect us,

give us cushioning, do this, all this
store fats, all this other kind of

stuff and certain doses, it's absolutely
necessary that we have to have, right?

But majority of us.

It ends up killing us faster
than more or less anything else.

And it's funny being
of Hungarian heritage.

One of the things that they
invented was the theory of stress.

So I figured I was like genetically
prone to it, I guess, if we knew all

about, about stressing it of itself.

And the funny thing is, is I genuinely
don't ever really feel stress.

Like even when I went out to fight,
a lot of the guys used to call

me Iceman as a joke, because I
just had a very stoic face on it.

I wasn't, I was not really scared or
obviously you have some nerves and stuff.

That would be lying if I wasn't.

But I was never really stressed, but
apparently business life, everything

in general plays a subconscious stress,
even on you before you think about it.

So understanding, and this is
what I've been able to lower my

stress levels through exercise,
food, as well as just mental talk.

Right.

Is I did a lot of like transcendental
meditation and all these other things.

And they work, everything works
as long as you, you do it right.

I do the cold showers and all
that kind of stuff now too, but.

Uh, for myself, it's understanding
and being real with your situation.

And one of the things that I say,
um, and one of the things that's

in, uh, um, stoicism is that
understanding that your fate,

understanding that you will die, right?

Memento mori.

Exactly.

Memento mori.

And so.

Once you understand that and you
realize, and it's a lot to do with

this story that, okay, this is, you
start noticing the things you say,

this is the worst day of my life.

Oh shit, everything's collapsing.

Like, I can't believe this
person did that to me.

All these other things, this self
talk is something that we're all of

a sudden spiking our cortisol levels.

We're spiking this, we are creating
more than they've even done to us.

So it is very rare.

And obviously you have all kinds of
awesome guys, like seven, so and so forth

on here that have had guns pointed at
them that are in front lines that are

having to be shot and shot at kind of
thing, or shoot at shot at the reality

is even those guys, it's few and far
between they're, they're training to

remove that stress from their lives and
to be consistent and in that process,

but do regular people, quote unquote,
do us as business professionals.

Train and learn how to manage that
stress and how to manage, you know,

like the story you were just saying to
have a realization that everything's

going sideways, but I'm still breathing.

Do you know?

And I think that is something that
once you start managing that, it

gives you a clearer picture to be
able to make decisions down the line.

So with the yin and yang of
life, the highs and lows, the ups

and flows that will take place.

If things are going really well for
you at the moment, and they definitely

seem to be, um, what did the lows look
like and how'd you deal with that?

So as you, I think you mentioned
before, I almost went bankrupt

twice early in my career.

Um, I've never had real financial backing.

I can say my dad wants, cause I
just have a different mentality.

He saved me.

I was, I had a 27, 000 credit
card debt when I was like 25

years old or something like that.

So I just told my dad, I'm like,
listen, I'm going to go into this work.

This is how I'm going to do it.

Pay off my card.

I'm going to pay you back a
monthly payment at 6% interest.

And so next to that though, the
entire time, it's all been on my own.

It's every dollar I've spent from
the cars I bought, et cetera.

So there were times where, without
a doubt, because I'm, I'm kind of

like a little bit of a hypomanic,
so I do have highs and lows.

I don't need much sleep.

I enjoy work.

I enjoy being out there
and doing things, but.

I try to keep everything now, even keel.

And what I mean by that is the
highs that I may be experiencing

right now, or the highs that I
may be experiencing in the future.

I understand that these are just moments
in time right now as well, right?

There is a possibility as we were talking
about right now, I'm just in the process

of basically putting all my cards into
one basket or all my eggs into one basket.

I'm just about to, you know,
buy out my, my business partner.

Um, so it's all in it's, it's, it's.

You know, most of my wealth or
whatever I've accumulated is

going to be put into this project.

So I may in two years from now, start
working for you, you know what I mean?

It may happen, but the point is, is that.

I feel like when you're in those
lows, having the understanding that

you can kind of work through this and
continue to go and be more in that

moment of what I need to do today,
not worry about where I am today.

And then at the same time, when you're
in those highs, understanding that, you

know, I shouldn't be out there partying.

I shouldn't be out there.

It's not that you can't
enjoy your success.

It's just also understanding
that it could be limited and this

success does not define who you are.

You are you.

Right.

What defines you of, if, if any
portion of success that defines

you, it's the fact that what you
did to get to that point, right?

The work, the daily habits, the things,
it's not the car, it's not the money.

Cause we talked about that before.

If I go win the lottery tomorrow, are
people going to, people aside, am I

going to respect myself as a millionaire?

Absolutely not.

I didn't create that.

Right.

So I think that, that is
the differential point.

Like I've had lows within the last
couple of years and I'm just like,

okay, the good thing about success,
the good thing about doing difficult

things and overcoming those difficult
things, once you've done enough of those.

You also start getting a pretty
good understanding that, Hey, I've

gone through difficult things.

These are things that I've overcome.

These are the things that
I'm the most proud of.

You know, was I proud
of fighting in the cage?

A hundred percent, but it wasn't
the cage that I was proud of.

It was all the work leading up to it.

Right.

So I feel like.

I try to purposely put myself through as
many difficult things as I possibly can,

even daily going, you know, I did 20k
run this morning, all this kind of stuff.

It, it just primes me for like,
wow, that is truly difficult.

You know, going through work in
the day to day life, that is not

difficult as what it could be.

I think that's kind of my mentality
when it comes to the ups and ups and

downs is just keeping a more even keel
and realizing that the things that have

actually made me happy is the journey,
the process, the work along the way,

not the outcomes or results either way.

If you make money, you're a motivator
and you're chasing the money, you're

always going to be behind the money,
whatever it is that you're chasing,

you're always going to be behind.

If happiness is your
motivator, I want to be happy.

It's got an inverse relationship where
you'll never be happy because you're

already presupposing the fact that
you're unhappy in the, in the moment.

So what is success to you?

Well, success is, you know,
raising my kids, good family.

Those are all things that
obviously most people want.

So that's, that's success.

But I think.

Being able to enable others for success,
um, being able to be a good guide one

way or another or, uh, a voice that they
can, you know, resonate with, um, these

things are actually the things that make
me probably the happiest right now next

to obviously my family is the fact that
I get some pretty cool Instagram messages

is like, Hey man, you made me wake up
this morning and go do some hard shit.

That's the kind of stuff.

And now they feel, you know,
incredibly, I've had a couple of

people that, you know, we're going
down that negative path and route.

And I was able to kind of, they did all
the work, but just at least give them

a little bit of guidance along the way.

Those are the things that
I think are successes.

How do you, how do you
give back to society?

How do you help?

Those are things that actually
make you feel good, right?

Would you say that's an ego driven?

Perspective?

Partially sure.

Yeah, of course.

Like, um, and I, I don't think
ego is a negative thing, right?

I agree.

Uh, at the end of the day, we all
want to feel good about ourselves.

And that inherently is some
ego perspective in there.

Um, I do.

Well, what's, what's difficult for you?

Because if you run a 20 mile marathon
and you do it again, and you do it again,

and you do it again, after a while.

You know, you can do 20 miles, right?

It was like, I jokingly said to,
um, Sean Taylor, ex JTF2 and, uh.

Yeah, great guy.

Fantastic guy, right?

And he says, uh, was talking
with the 24 hour relays or not

really 24 hour solos on a mountain
bike, you're going for 24 hours.

I said, why haven't you done a 48?

I mean, I've never done a 24, obviously
it's an accomplishment and it's all right.

And.

But I'll be, I'll be a bit of a wise ass.

How come you haven't done a 48, but
there's always that more difficult thing.

What, what is difficult?

Difficult for me is going to be difficult
for somebody else is everything's going

to be, you know, there's perspective
to whatever difficulties, but I'll give

you an example for myself is just, I'm
trying to just be 1% better than I was

yesterday and there's going to be days
that I'm 10% worse, but my goal is And my,

what I'm, my actions and what I'm trying
to orient myself is to be 1% better.

That, that goes, that's what's it.

And if I can just challenge myself to be
1% better, so I'll give you an example.

I did run that a hundred kilometer ultra.

I timed out on it.

So I only, I did 90, 91, 92
kilometers, something like that.

I've got a 50 kilometer ultra, the 10,
000 foot elevation coming up August.

I just like doing
challenging, difficult things.

It doesn't necessarily have to be
better per se than the last one I did.

I'm just consistently trying to
find growth and find challenge.

Right.

Um, and it's not necessarily, it's not so
much of an ego thing that, Hey, I can run

a hundred miler or I can run a 200 mile.

Cause you're right.

There's always going to
be something crazier.

And I know.

I'm not going to be a Cameron Haynes.

That's not really even my goal.

I'm not good.

I'm not, he runs a
marathon every single day.

You know what I mean?

Or David Goggins.

That's, that's theirs for me.

I'm trying to continuously be challenged.

And so my business, I want it to grow.

I want to be challenged amongst that.

I want to be able to help people
grow, be challenged amongst that.

I want to make sure my kids, cause
they're going to be their own people soon.

Right.

I give a good guide and path there.

That's kind of what I'm looking
for when it comes to difficulty.

So, and that whole.

Concept of difficulty.

And I should ask Sean this one
too, but if I were to be the

reporter talking to Rockefeller,
I would ask how much is enough.

Yeah.

So

it's a tough question because for me,
when it comes to difficulty, it's,

it's never really going to be enough.

You know, it, and that is the truth.

It's always 1 more.

And it's, and it's obviously for
me, it's not the financial portion.

It is, I want, this is
what makes us feel alive.

We, the one thing I know, and we've talked
about this and is I know I'm going to die.

There's 0% chance I'm
going to live forever.

Right?

So why not maximize my
time on this planet?

When I'm 70 years old, I'm
probably not going to be running.

Hopefully I will, but I probably
won't be able to run a marathon.

Right?

So why not do that now?

But when I'm 70 years old, what
am I going to be able to do that's

going to be able to challenge me?

Maybe it's a crossword
puzzle for all I know.

I don't know.

Right?

But I feel like it doesn't necessarily
have to be a bar of challenge.

It just needs to be a
challenge consistently.

And that challenge makes us feel useful.

Right.

It makes us feel alive.

It makes us for, I'm not, I'm
not that person that's in bed,

putting the duvet covers over me.

Right.

I'm out there creating, being
of use to myself and the world.

So you were talking to before about,
uh, and specifically back to, uh,

firearms, hunting, uh, advocacy,
people looking for others to pick up

the torch and walk with it in front.

What advice would you give to
those who are dissatisfied with.

Let's say the, the local gun clubs
and hunting communities, which also

that same advice would apply to
individuals of all walks of life.

What, what advice would you give
to them to start making positive,

progressive change in an area that
where they feel it needs to be made?

Yeah.

So one thing, Jordan Peterson
came to, uh, Vancouver.

And so literally I landed, I think
it was like 5 PM for my flight from

India, got off the plane, went and
took a shower at my buddy's place

and went and walked, watched him.

I was up for 36 hours.

So while I'm trying not to fall
asleep, because one of the things

that came up was obviously that
audience was very pro conservative.

Like how do we get rid of Justin
Trudeau kind of thing, right?

So, and I know this is not directly
with the question, but it applies to it.

So what he said that really stood out.

Is he put every, he asked
everybody in the audience.

He asked, Hey guys, so who
here wants Justin Trudeau

out and the entire audience.

And I don't know how many thousand
people were in that audience,

but everybody put their hand up.

His next question was who here is
part of the conservative party.

And then there was maybe
like a hundred of us, right?

Who here has done volunteer
work at the conservative party?

And there was two people out
of the thousand people that

wanted Justin Trudeau out.

Two people and myself included.

I was not in those two people.

So I take full that I have
not done the volunteer work.

I donate, but I have not
done the volunteer work.

The point that he said is
like, listen, it starts here.

The numbers clearly show right.

That.

There's just as many people, if not more
that believe that he should be out, that

there should be, uh, um, gun reform in,
in a positive way towards us, that there

should be advocacy on that portion.

There should be a lot of different
things that happen, but how many

of us are even taking one step.

And this is part of the program when
it comes to being successful, being

anything it's not, you don't go from
making, you know, 50 grand a year

to making a million dollars a year.

It's a step by step process, gun advocacy,
you know, um, you know, the CCFR,

all these different types of things,
all these different, it, it, there is

so many opportunities for us just to
take one step in the right direction.

If you're having an issue with your
gun club, they're not doing enough.

Why aren't you at their meeting?

What are you saying at their meeting?

What are you doing to help them?

Maybe they need help doing
whatever you want them to do.

Right.

Instead of like, we talk about everybody
finding the Messiah, like I'm going to

vote that guy and he'll change everything.

Right.

If all of us just did one thing.

Right.

How much more powerful could that
be ever comparatively to one guy?

Right.

And it's the same thing.

If you see, you know, personally, one of
my objectives in this upcoming future is.

And I don't mean to get political
again or whatever it may be, but if

you look at what's happening in our
schools right now, and what has been

happening for the last 20 years, right?

Is you have a lot of indoctrination,
right or wrong, believe in it or don't

believe in it, but you have tons of
indoctrination that's been happening in

the last 20, 30 years for certain things.

I had as a perfect example in grade two
or three, I think it was three, I wrote,

we had to write a piece of literature.

Basically on our position on something.

Right.

So, um, my dad helped me do this.

I remember this and I created
a period of anti gun control.

So, and basically I just gave my
opinion on why gun control doesn't work.

And I used a lot of different
stats and so and so forth in it.

And it was well written anyways, long
story short, I went into class, right.

And presented that and my teacher.

Who was from England originally was
completely anti gun, did not allow

me to present this presentation.

In fact, I had to take it out.

I had to now do the, uh,
thing on the amalgamation of

Maple Ridge and pit metals.

Grade three, you're like, what, what?

Exactly.

Right.

Um, and so, so much so.

Maybe, maybe it was great for
anyways, but so much so that

my dad was absolutely furious.

Right.

So my dad sent it to field and
stream, and I think he still got a

copy and they actually printed that
in there, which was kind of cool.

Yeah.

But what I'm trying to say
is this indoctrination of.

If we look back to like the forties,
fifties, sixties, you know, I'm talking

to some of the older guys at, uh,
the older instructors at, you know,

mission gun club and so on and so forth.

And they're talking about how
they went to high school with a

shotgun in the back of their truck.

Do you know what I mean?

And there weren't school shootings there.

There weren't all these other things.

So.

If you want to make a difference, right?

We need to start, and I don't want to
say indoctrinated, we need to start

bringing those principles back into
the schools, back into the families.

How many kids are you taking out shooting?

Both my kids have started shooting when
they're like four or five years old.

Do you know what I mean?

And creating gun safe practices,
creating all these things, it's one step.

It, instead of trying to change
the entire country and world

all at once, what have you done?

For your immediate sphere, what
have you done for your family?

What have you done for the one
step out your close, best friends?

How many of them have
you taken out shooting?

Right.

Even, even if they are the same belief
as you are, as far as like political

standing, what are they contributing
when it comes to, you know, standing

against what they believe is wrong.

Right.

So I feel like instead
of always looking for.

One vote to change, what are we
doing and what can we do different?

I think that makes a
hell of a lot of sense.

I think the fear part that we talked
about earlier, maybe not so much

laziness will play into it like myself.

I will re I would rather do things
myself than rely on somebody else

because I know what I'm capable of.

I know if I fail that I've
got one person to blame and.

Not everybody's of the same mindset, but
I do think that there is a large social

fear that we've seen and we saw it in the
last few years during a pandemic of not

people not wanting to stick their heads
out and say things that might be contrary

to whatever the public narrative might be.

And that fear has been something that's
been implemented for a very long time.

It's sort of an instinctual
thing for people to survive.

They want to belong to their tribe.

But when you talk about indoctrination
in the schools, whether it be

from an altruistic standpoint,
because people want, I think

inherently people want to be good.

I'm of that mindset and inherently, um,
um, maybe if I went a little deeper,

they're neither good nor bad, but
it's how people will, uh, perceive it.

But, you know, you say, I've got
a government system, we voted them

in, we've got a school system, we
voted them in, we've got certain

ways that we want them to be taught.

And once those processes are in place,
I think that's when the laziness

and the fear of wanting to stand out
kind of kicks in because people are

like, ah, the school will teach them.

Oh, you know, the government
will, will take care of, the

police will take care of them.

If the police will just come in and
give my kid a stern talking to man,

they'll, they'll start flying right.

Right.

Yeah.

And, and that's where that
personal responsibility, and

there's going to be a fight.

There's going to be a fight there
because those who are now in a

position of governing, whether that
be within the school or policing or

whatever it might be, that represents
their livelihood and their jobs.

And it represents a system
of others that are in there.

And.

It's neither good nor bad, but
thinking makes it so right.

But they're going to want to be
able to propagate and make sure that

there's some, uh, continuity to their,
what they know in their existence.

So I think that's where the
fear from individuals starts

coming in and the laziness.

Yeah.

I think it's just going to become, it's
got to more or less come to a time and

place that you as an individual are going
to have to decide, what do you fear more?

The fear of being publicly humiliated
or ostracized because you believe

what is right is right, or the fear of
the consequences for not doing that.

And that's really the point we are
at in the civilization right now.

You know, it's, and to your point,
I, and I don't disagree with this.

I genuinely think most people have
great intentions, even the people that

I have absolutely, you know, zero in
common with or thought politically.

Right.

And, you know, um, but they feel
they're doing the right thing.

Of course they are right.

Like, you know, and, and many of them
come from a good place of thought,

but the problem is, is they don't
realize what the consequences are.

Right.

So, um, I was just watching Tim Kennedy
and I reposted this this morning.

I don't know if you saw this, but
he puts four out of 10 Americans,

42%, I think was the exact number,
believe socialism is a good thing.

They've never experienced socialism.

And he talks about it completely.

Go talk to somebody that escaped
communist Hungary or that

escaped Russia during communism.

Go talk to somebody that lived in that.

Go, go, they can't even make a trip,
but I've been to Cuba several times.

I've never been like, Hey, why don't you?

And I've never heard once somebody
say, you should immigrate here.

It's awesome.

Never once people have been fantastic.

Every single person that I ever
spoke to in Cuba wants out.

And that's one of the longest standing
socialist countries in the region, right?

Look at any of the communist countries
that are successful right now, AKA

China, really they're successful.

Because they're not really communist.

Mm hmm.

Do you know what I mean?

They are, you can't have billionaires
in communism and they do, right?

The point is, and I'm not trying
to get, uh, political again, it's

the fact is right now, society is
testing waters because they don't

know what they're looking for.

They're looking for an easier way out.

The rest of us that
feel like we're on the.

The side of what should be or the
right side or our opinion is, whatever

it may be, unfortunately, because a
lot of us have created jobs, a lot

of us are now entrepreneurs, a lot
of us are working as police officers

are actually out there working.

We have more to lose by voicing
our opinions than those that

have the same right to vote.

Right.

But are on, uh, social subsidies
or whatever you want to call it.

Right.

So I feel like we really need
to come up with, and I don't

want to tell anybody what to do.

Sure.

But we all have to, as individuals.

Come up with and think about what
is more important to us, the fear

of, you know, being ostracized or
the fear of where we're heading.

The fear of the consequence.

Well, and truthfully, like, do you, and
do you have a right, and this is something

we need to ask ourself as well, and I'm
not saying it's right or wrong, but do you

have the right to blame others when you're
not willing to do something yourself?

And so myself personally,
I feel like I don't.

Right.

So I don't have the right to say,
well, this country sucks, but

I've never given anything to it.

Right.

I don't have the right to say,
um, you guys are doing it wrong.

This leader is absolutely horrible,
but I've never done anything to provide

anything otherwise or another option.

Right.

So these are the internal questions
that I have for myself and.

I hope others do as well.

Where do you see your role in all of this?

I, I'm just trying to live.

So I'm trying to lead by example.

That's my biggest role.

And trust me, I'm a sinner.

I started off as a gangster
when I was younger, I graduated

when I was 27 years old.

I got kicked out of school.

So by no means am I some like Saint by
any means, and I definitely don't want

to be portrayed that way by any means.

That being said, I feel like now
I've come to a point in my life that.

I have to live by my moral compass, right?

You know, some of my friends have gone
through amazing things that have been,

you know, police officers have been
military veterans have been whatever.

And these guys have actually
sacrificed and given for this country

and the betterment of society.

So what can I do in my part?

Well, I know how to create business.

I know how to feel good about
myself by doing difficult

things and leading by example.

So that's the best that I can do.

And I, and I can go out there and I can
spread a message of there's opportunity.

Like there's never been before.

There is an opportunity for you.

If you truly want to be
wealthy, there's an opportunity.

If you truly want to make change,
there's an opportunity, but it

has to start with you first.

Right.

And so for myself, I never ask anybody to
do something I'm not willing to do myself.

And.

Every morning, you know, business related,
my specific real estate team, cause I

have the company and the real estate team.

There's nobody on there.

My real estate thing team that
thinks they work more than I do.

They know they don't.

Right.

I, I literally take them on runs.

I take them on stuff and I'm, and I'm
not doing this to be like a dictator.

I'm doing them so they have a
transformation and they can feel what

it's like to feel good about themselves.

Right.

And so that's, that's kind of like my
role, if any, and it might be a super

minute, hopefully the message goes
across and that's all I can ask for.

Who mentored you?

Cause you mentioned that earlier.

Yeah.

So I've, I'm, I've been really
lucky and I've actually been

mentored by a lot of people.

Um, so I couldn't give
you one specific, but.

You know, my work ethic, my, my drive,
a lot of that has come from my parents.

Like my dad, long haul truck driver
worked his ass off his entire life.

Right.

Um, even though him
and I have a different.

Philosophy on money.

His is still very much like
penny pinching and saving.

And, you know, he'll calls me
up once in a while and be like,

son, tuna is 75 cents off.

You should go grab 20 cans.

Um, but he's also done well for himself.

Right.

Um, but along the way I've been mentored
by real estate professionals, by guys

that are gurus in, in, you know, created
millions of dollars in real estate.

And the funny thing is
with those guys, it's very.

I literally called them up and
said, what can I do for you?

I need to learn from you.

And I did a bunch of stuff for free
for them, help them out, but they're

always willing to give for people
that want to succeed and actually

do what they tell them to do.

Right.

So if you graduated at 27, would I be
going out on a limb to say that you didn't

always possess, although they may have
been in front of you, your father's work

ethic, your family's work ethic, the rest.

You're showing the way, but you
weren't always implementing that.

Yeah.

So up until grade eight, so
in grade eight, I was actually

doing grade 10 math and English.

So I was an accelerated school.

So I skipped some grades.

Basically what happened, this is, and
I don't blame my parents by any means.

It's definitely not their fault.

It's 100% mine.

But, um, I was going to a school that
school had some very affluent people.

And being 16 years old, it's
Thomas Haney in Maple Ridge.

And so at that time, it was actually 14,
15, when I started there, um, That time it

was a self paid school, like university.

So you just had to do these
learning guides and you had

to show up for seminars.

The rest of the time you
can go do whatever you want.

I lived across the street.

So obviously I was chasing
tail and everything else.

Instead of doing my work and then, uh,
you know, at that time, that's when

testosterone kicks in, you don't, you're
trying to find your place in your world.

Um, I came from an immigrant family, so,
you know, my friends were of all kinds

of different ethnicities and we different
cultural things and so on and so forth.

And I just found myself like, Hey.

That guy over there has a BMW
and he's getting hotter chicks.

Cause that BMW, what am I
going to go do to get a BMW?

Right.

And of course I did stupid
shit that I shouldn't have

done to go try to get a BMW.

Right.

And so I wish, and this is one of the
things that I'm trying to do and kind of

what I've talked about as I wish there
was a mentor in state to be like, Hey

man, like you can get a thousand BMWs.

You just have to do this, this, this,
and give it a little bit of time.

Right.

And implement this and
look what I've done.

Right.

My dad, and like I said, not to blame my
dad, but the mentality of the mentors that

were around me at that time, even though I
had this grandiose vision of what I wanted

to be right there were so in Hungary
and Europe, they kind of have this.

Saying, which is like similar to
get your head out of the clouds kind

of thing that we say here, but it's
like, basically don't be a cosmonaut

because you're living in space.

So, um, and it's not that he didn't
encourage me, but you know, I'm

like, I want to be a millionaire.

I want to be whatever.

Even when I got into real estate,
he was always worried for me.

That, you know, it takes you
five years to make any money.

And this is the blah, blah, blah, blah.

Now that's obviously gone, thankfully.

But the point is, is at that
time, I'm like, well, I'm not

going to listen to these guys.

That guy over there is
making a ton of money.

I'm going to do what he does.

Right.

And so I'm blessed and lucky that I
never really got into any trouble.

I have, I had people pass away
that were close to me that were

involved in that kind of stuff.

And so.

When I was in my mid twenties, after
I got kicked out of school, I came

back and I'm like, okay, I'm either
going to get into real estate cause

I was selling cars, doing all this
other stuff back in the normal path.

I mean, they're going to get
into real estate or I'm going

to become a firefighter.

And so both of them needed
high school graduation.

So I had to go back and
graduate when I was 27.

And then I, uh, applied for the justice
institute with my good buddy Ziggy.

And, uh, That was a couple months process.

In the meantime, it was already a realtor.

And then my first two months,
I did six transactions and made

more money than I've ever made.

And I'm like, you know what, I think
I'm going to go down this path.

And that's kind of how it all happened.

So if you can go back and talk to 12,
13, 14 year old, you, what would you say?

Hey.

And you know what the funny thing is,
I wouldn't say much, I would show.

And I think that's really the difference
is I think too many times as leaders, we

talk too much and we don't show enough.

Right.

So if you look at the guys that inspire
me, the guys that would have inspired me

back then is guys that inspire me right
now are like guys like Galkins, Jocko,

you know, like, uh, Cameron Haynes,
what, what inspires us about those guys?

They're out there on video doing it.

Hmm.

Right.

And so if I could do anything,
I would go to these guys and

be like, look what I have done.

This is how I've done it.

And I can show you how, and I
think having actual, because the

problem, number one priority or
issue with school systems in general.

Okay.

And I, and I'm not, I'm not here to
beat down schools by any means, because

they're essential part of our, our
learning and society in certain parts.

Right.

We can talk about that one.

I agree.

But the point is, is that you
are being taught by somebody.

I'll give you an example.

Okay.

You go to Harvard.

Right.

You pay hundreds of thousands of
dollars for a university degree.

And let's just say you're
going to get your MBA.

The top professors are
making 500 grand a year.

Right.

I have agents in my brokerage
making 2 million a year.

So why would I learn from somebody?

That has never done what I want to do.

And that's the, one of the major issues
with our schools is we're being told,

not shown, told, this is what you do.

This is how you do it.

And we're being basically taught
how to memorize more or less and

work at a certain thing and work for
somebody, not work with somebody.

We're not talked, taught
about basic finance.

We're not talking about any
kind of life skills anymore.

We're not taught about any of those
things, but what ends up being

is, is there's very few students
that look up to their teachers.

Very few these days, right?

And the fact is, is because none of
them want to be like that person.

Who do they want to be like?

And so now they're following
their social media influencers.

They're following all these other
guys that are driving Lamborghinis

that are doing all these other
things, which I'd rather have them

do that than follow drug dealers.

Right.

But the point is, is who these guys
are imitating or who these kids are

imitating is incredibly important.

And unfortunately those schools
don't provide any of that.

That's a good point.

Who wants to be like
their high school teacher?

I don't know anyone that.

I'm sure there's some, and there's some
great high school teachers out there.

There are some fantastic teachers.

The whole system of education that we
currently have, I think is, is in need of

a massive overhaul, um, served a purpose
in its way and it's time and it still

has some good purpose, but, uh, I'm not
here to disparage the school system, but

I come from a, a background, I was five
different high schools that I went to.

Yeah.

So, so, you know.

Well, and the thing is, is like,
I can think of two teachers.

Maybe three, while I was in school.

One of them was Mr.

Bugler, and this guy, if anybody
went to me for a secondary,

they would know who he is.

Um, and I think he
passed away a while ago.

But, he um, dressed in a cape.

And was extremely eccentric,
extremely like as like a chalkboard

professor, a cape, a cape, like
a full on, like university gown,

cape, whatever it is in high school.

And he was teaching, and this was, I think
I had him for grade eight, if I remember

before I switched to the self pay school.

And so he was teaching a class
for gifted students or whatever.

So people that were accelerated.

So you're just calling yourself gifted.

Got it.

Well, I don't, it could have been
special gifted for all I know.

That's just what they called it anyways.

But, um, so, but what he continuously
did was challenge me and what he proved.

Right.

Was my ignorance in history,
my ignorance in so many things.

And he, he proved that I should
be questioning everything and

understanding why I'm questioning and
why these answers are what they are.

So there's a lot of things I took
from and him and I had screaming

matches, just to be clear.

Like it was not that he was like
some, Oh, figure it figure to me.

Like we had butted heads
just as much as we agreed.

However, he was challenged.

He pushed and he was a great teacher.

My other teacher, Mr.

B.

I've actually just communicated with on
Facebook just recently after not talking

to him since elementary school, basically.

I remember him vividly because,
and obviously this would probably

never happen these days, is
pulling outside my elementary.

He knew I was hunting
cause I started hunting.

I got finished my core test when I was 10.

So I was out there right at the hop and
I was, he knew it was big into hunting.

So when he came home, it was Monday.

And he just came home from a
hunt, went straight from the

hunt to, to school to teach.

So he's like, come check out
what's in the back of my truck.

I went there and he's got his camper.

And sure enough, there's a
three point buck in the back.

So I remember that vividly talking about
hunting and fishing and all those things.

And these are memories.

So that's somebody that I
would look up to more or less.

You don't usually hear.

Stories of teachers taking kids
to the back of their truck ending.

I mean, yeah, exactly, exactly.

But, um, so yeah, I mean, now.

Our schools, you know, to go down
that path, our schools are, we're

more, once again, focused on people's
feelings versus the actual things

that need to be done and taught.

Right.

Like even with all this, I was just
told a couple of days ago, and I don't

know if it's rumor or not, so I don't
want to spread whatever, but I've heard

it multiple times now that they have
like, um, in washrooms, they have,

um, like what you have for your cat.

Because people are dressing up as furries.

So yeah, now they're squatting,
they're squatting in boxes.

Come on.

So, um, my mind is, I don't want to
say it because I'm not going to confirm

it, but I've been told multiple times
from the high school that I went to.

And so for myself, I'm, I'm
thinking I'm like, okay, listen,

I want all kids to feel inclusive.

Like, don't get me wrong, but the reality
is why are we focusing so much on this

stuff when, and this is one thing that
absolutely pissed me off to be very

blunt, I go into my kid's school and
every single, every single, and this

is an elementary school and I'm in, you
know, the back end of maple Ridge, right?

So it's more redneck y if
you would call that, right?

By, by all means.

And every single school door.

has a rainbow on it.

Every single school door
has, uh, a rainbow flag.

And so to be very clear, like if, if
whatever your sexual preference is, I

care less like you do you, if you're an
adult, I want you to be happy, right?

However, the one thing that stood out to
me is there was not one provincial flag.

Not one Canadian flag,
not one thing was taught.

My kid, who is now eight years old,
has been taught all of these things.

I took a globe and asked
him where Russia was.

He could not point out the
largest country on the planet.

So it's not the fact that what we're
teaching our kids, I agree or disagree

with, which a lot of it, I obviously
disagree with, but it's the fact

that we have no priorities, right?

If our kid can't even point out
the biggest country on the planet,

but he knows you can be 72 genders.

Don't you think we have a little bit
of a priority issue on this planet?

You know, the issue with
inclusivity and hyper inclusivity.

The natural outcome of that is exclusivity
because you can't think outside of that.

And it's, it's a very, you know, you
take that to its natural progression and

perhaps it's something that should maybe
not be emphasized in school in the way

that it currently is, because you will
end up excluding other opinions that

are contrary to what, what the norm is.

In a way that they're trying to combat
in, in the get go so well intentioned

good way to go for it, but it does
create an exclusive environment where

if you do not subscribe to this way
of thinking, you are now out and

maybe take it to whatever you are.

Yeah.

Right.

And it's, and that that's changing.

I do see.

It, well, it's just gone so
crazy that it's, like you

said, it's gone a full circle.

We are invoking racism now.

It's like it, it, it there's a, there
is a teacher, a principal, I believe

that got expelled, that got kicked out.

I don't want to tell you what
state cause I can't remember,

but this is just recently within
this year, you can Google it.

And basically what she
did was, is she separated.

Blacks and whites.

This old experiment.

Separate.

No, she separated it and basically
created an apartheid because

she felt that black youth should
hang out with more black youth.

Interesting.

So it's not like the teacher that
separated the blue eyes and the brown eyes

or the brown hairs and blonde hairs and,
and created that whole social dynamic.

They, she's saying birds of a
feather should flock together

and, and she's trying to.

And she was black.

Gotcha.

And she's saying, she's like,
listen, like, um, black should

experience more black culture with
black people and so on and so forth

and ended up creating an apartheid.

In her own school.

And so one of the.

Whoops.

But this is the whole point of what
I'm trying to say is this, and what

you're, what you're saying is this,
this inclusivity, all of a sudden we're

like, we're back to 1940 and Rosa, Rosa
Parks would be like, you know, rolling

in her grave right now, seeing that
we are doing this to ourselves again.

Well, the plot's been lost at that point.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

And it's just.

I think this once again comes down to the
part that is there racism in the world?

A hundred percent.

It will never go away.

Is there, you know, sexism?

Are there all these isms?

Yes.

Right.

But in general, We are 1000%
better than we have ever been.

And so now we are searching
for things that will make us

like, I got a hard time too.

You know, like I'm a ZZ, ZZ, ZZ, whatever.

Don't you know?

Right.

Instead of, because I have nothing else.

I have food, I have a shelter.

I have, you know, I get to go to work.

I can go to university.

I get, I can get free drugs
if I go down to East Hastings.

Right.

So much so that they're giving
out free drugs and they're

trading it in for fentanyl.

My wife's a nurse.

These people are still ODing from
fentanyl because they're taking

the clean drugs that they're
getting from the government, right.

And trading it for street fentanyl.

So it's just come to this point that
we're not talking about kids here.

Are you kids?

I'm not talking about kids, but the whole
point is, is that right now, these days.

Life is so good that we need to find
some excuse and hardship that our

generation's going through something.

We're having issues.

Look at me.

And instead of focusing on how do
we better society, how many, you

know, one of the things growing up
is, and I remember these ads, like,

what can you do for your country?

Right.

How many of our youth, how many of,
you know, even my generation and

old, how many of us are thinking,
what can we do for our country?

Versus what can our country do for us?

And I think, you know, when you ask,
what can we do to change things?

What can we do to, you know, help, um,
you know, our cause when it comes to,

um, firearms and all these other things,
it's like, what the fuck are you doing?

You know, what are you doing?

And that's the first question we
should always be asking ourselves.

Cause back to this whole stoic
philosophy, what is the only

thing we have control over?

It's what we do.

I can't, I can't force you to do
anything, but if I want you to do

something, I can tell you the best
way to do it is watch me do this.

So if the first question
is, what are you doing?

What would the second question be?

Well, what effect is that having?

Because I think there's a lot
of people out there that will do

things that have minimal effect.

But they look at, look at
all the things I'm doing.

Yeah.

Look at how fast I'm running.

My arms are going so fast.

And, and so like business, right.

I have a philosophy on
how I kind of do things.

So I plan.

First.

So I, in my life and in business,
I kind of have a CEO hat, and

then I kind of have a worker hat
for lack of a better word, right?

Or realtor hat or whatever it may be.

So my CEO hat, I'm planning.

These are the things I'm going to do.

This is how I'm going to execute it.

This is what I'm going to do.

And that could be for a
week, month, quarter, year,

whatever it may be, excuse me.

Um, and then I go into
worker and I just execute.

I, I, I no longer, like, if you look
in my schedule, it's completely booked

out sometimes in 30 minute increments.

I'm not, I don't plan what I do today.

I've already planned what I'm
doing, so I'm not thinking

about what I should change.

What I'm just executing.

Right.

So it's the same thing.

Like I'm planning to help my gun range.

Build an association.

Okay.

This is how I'm going to plan the
rest of the time I'm going to execute.

Now, while I'm executing,
I track relentlessly.

So what that means is when it comes to
business, I know what my expenditure

is, what's coming in, how many in real
estate related, how many calls does

it take to convert an appointment?

How many appointments does
it take to convert a sale?

And I, now I'm, now I can look
and track all of those things.

Now, most people, what they do wrong.

It's the day two of calling, let's
just say they're, they've been

cold calling strangers and they've
got nothing but a bunch of hangups

and FUs and so on and so forth.

Right.

And they're like this script, this
thing doesn't work and they give up.

Right.

But really you don't have enough data
to know if it does or doesn't work.

So I track, keep that data at the
end of the week or week two or

month, a quarter, whatever that, that
timetable is, I review that data.

And so to your question, like a lot of
people are running with their arms, but.

I've had this question asked more than
any other question in real estate ever.

When an agent comes to me,
they always come to me, Sean,

I did 10 deals this year.

I want to do 20 next year.

Right.

And everybody at my brokerage is going
to laugh if they hear this because it's

Herbie said a million times, 10 deals.

I'm going to do 20 next year.

I'm like, okay, fantastic.

How are you going to do that?

The most common thing I hear
is I'm going to work harder.

Well, you're probably going
to have to, but that's great.

Right.

So let me ask you a question.

Okay.

If you were Elon Musk in front of your
million shareholders and you said,

Hey guys, next quarter, we're going to
do an extra billion dollars in sales.

Right.

And they said, Oh, that's awesome.

Elon.

How are you going to do that?

And you said, I'm going to work harder.

They'd all laugh.

And your stock would probably,
well, maybe Elan it would go up,

but everybody else would go down.

Right.

So instead I always tell them, it's like,
listen, first of all, what is harder?

Your perspective on harder versus my
perspective might be two different things.

I might think hard is 500 calls a day.

You might think five is hard.

Right?

So everything I do is I plan, track, or
execute, track while I'm doing that, and

then reevaluate at a certain point in
time that I've planned to, to see what

is working, what can be done better, and
how can I reevaluate that to plan again,

execute, track, and do it all over.

And that's kind of been my methodology
for business since day one is

if I don't know what I'm doing.

Right.

And I don't know what the consistency
is and how it is, and what are

the numbers in front of me.

How do I know what to better change?

Totally.

And that's kind of, unfortunately,
what you're talking about is a lot of

these people are super busy, right?

Have you tracked what
you're actually doing?

Right.

What was your end goal in that?

What was your purpose for doing that?

Right.

Now I'd rather have somebody busy arm out
there doing something rather than nothing.

Right.

Cause I feel like that's
most people in cases.

Right.

But I feel like there's a way to do it.

That's obviously going
to yield a better result.

I love that.

Yeah.

That gives a lot of takeaway
for people who are listening.

Well, I think understanding and knowing
that you have the ability to do this.

Massive.

It's huge.

It's huge.

And don't underestimate.

The power of your voice
and the things that you do.

And I know this kind of sounds preachy
or whatever it is, but it is the truth.

Like entire, the reason that we don't
have slavery in North America is

because people started changing and
it was one, two, three, four, and

they continuously grow from there.

Right.

The reason why a lot of the things
we don't like right now that are

happening in this is because those
voices are louder than ours and

there's more people doing action.

Then we are right.

And so I know we have this fear
of loss and it is a true fear.

I'm not going to belittle the fact
that you could lose your entire company

by saying the wrong thing these days.

Right.

Usually easily, and I'm
not going to belittle that.

That is the fact, right?

However, we all have to have
this internal conversation.

Like I mentioned before, is
that what is your greater

fear and what is your purpose?

Is it to leave your kids
with something different?

Right.

Or something that you will be proud of
that at least I did something right.

Or is it, it doesn't matter how much
money you have, how much things you

saved, but if all of a sudden, and
I'm not saying we're going down this

route, but all of a sudden we turn into
communism, what is that worth anyways?

Is there anything that we haven't
talked about that we should talk about?

Oh, that's a good question.

Um,

there's, there's lots of
things I'd love to talk with.

This is a great conversation.

We're definitely going to have
a cigar night and talk more.

Um, I, I think, I think one of the
things too is, is, um, that I try to

instill as much as, as possible is,
and you see this word being, you know,

tossed around a lot, but I'm trying
to be as grateful as I possibly can.

And I think this is something that
in business and these motivational

speakers, like, Oh, I'm so grateful.

I'm so this, I'm grateful for the fact
that I always tell myself, like, I have

two legs, I have this, I, I, it allows me
to ground myself into the presence, right?

Like, I'm grateful that.

I'm here having this
conversation with you.

This is an opportunity.

And I really appreciate that.

A lot of people can't get just because
of time or whatever the scenario is.

Right.

And so for myself, trying to be
more grateful and understanding,

if you're looking to succeed,
it's very difficult to succeed.

If you're not grateful for what you've
already done and what you already have.

And I feel like.

We, you know, one of the reasons we
have lost so much is because we weren't

grateful for what we had and we didn't
put the right things in place to enable,

to keep those things that we've had.

Right.

So I feel, I feel gratefulness
is something that I try

to be as much as possible.

How do you do that?

People talk about it.

They say, Oh, Hey, I'm grateful.

They'll write it into a text.

Yeah.

Hey, I'm really grateful.

How do you, do you show your gratitude?

Do you internalize that gratitude?

What is, what does that look like?

So.

You know, obviously I'm grateful for
everything people do for me for, you

know, being able to even, but I think the
grateful that I'm talking about more or

less is just truly being, and this comes
back moment, momentum, uh, mental Mori

again, it's just, I'm alive, you know?

And when we talk about like, you've
been in your lows of your lows

and your highs, your highs, right.

It's grateful to have
money in your account.

Right.

But on the lows and lows, that's the time
where you have to be the most grateful.

Right.

That's the time that if you really want
to get out of that funk or wherever

you are in that time and world is
the easiest way to do that is like,

okay, like, and I'm sure you guys
have all seen that GIF is, you know,

there's, there's a guy that's looking
up and the guy has no feet or no legs.

And he's just looking at the guy with
the legs and the guy with the legs and

looking at guy with shoes and the guy
with the shoes, looking at guy with

the bike and the guy with the bike
is looking at the guy with the car.

We're always one step upping
where we're trying to be right.

If you want it to be an actual
impactful thing to yourself,

and I'm not just talking about
like, you know, hashtag grateful,

but actually having some importance
where you can feel the chemical change

it does in your body is you need to
actually be, look at yourself and be

like, what am I truly grateful for?

Like I.

I sat down yesterday with my kids
and I got a new black puppy, a

black lab puppy, and I'm sitting
there and I'm just like, wow, I'm

like, I got the dog that I wanted.

My kids are healthy.

Like I have lots of kids, like a
friend of mine, his kid passed away.

Like these are unimaginable things
and these things still may happen.

You know, like we don't have control
of what will happen in the future

when it comes to those things.

So being grateful when you, when
you practice it properly, and I'm

not trying to say there's a right
or wrong way, but you will know how

you feel when you think about it.

You know, there's that, uh, saying
a rich person wants many things,

a sick person wants just one.

Yeah.

Sean, it was absolutely amazing
having you on the podcast.

Thank you so much for coming on here.

Thanks for having me, brother.

I appreciate it.