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  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (00:45) - WWDC 2023
  • (06:31) - AR Headset Delay
  • (09:36) - Apple Store Gangnam
  • (15:34) - Apple Pay Later
  • (18:31) - iOS 16.4 Launches
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  • (29:00) - Screen Time Updates
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  • (36:15) - iOS 16.5 Beta 1
  • (37:46) - SOS Satellite Expands
  • (39:45) - Apple Music Classical
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Stephen Robles:
Welcome to the Apple Insider podcast. This is your host, Stephen Robles. And today we're going to talk about WWDC. It's been announced for June 5th. And there's an invite. We might read the tea leaves there. Apple Pay later is now official, but only to select users. Iowa 16.4 came out, 16.5 beta one is out. And I'm going to review Apple Music Classical. This episode is brought to you by Factor Meals and Collide. And joining me to talk all the news, my friend Wes Hilliard. How's it going, Wes?

Wes:
Okay, so even just trying to get woke up over here, you know,

Stephen Robles:
Get woke. You're woken up.

Wes:
dragging me out of bed and doing a podcast.

Stephen Robles:
I'll see you should record it in bed. That's a whole different energy right there.

Wes:
Yeah, under the blankets, right?

Stephen Robles:
Under the blankets,

Wes:
Reduce

Stephen Robles:
just,

Wes:
the echo.

Stephen Robles:
yeah, just hold the USB microphone under the blanket. You'll get great sound that way. No, zero echo, you know what I mean? None. But anyway, he's still there.

Wes:
Oh yeah, no, I'm

Stephen Robles:
Oh,

Wes:
here.

Stephen Robles:
okay, Joe's back in chair, he's back in chair. Okay, well, the first big news we gotta talk about, WWDC, the announcement went out this past week, March 29th, it came out, but June 5th, through ninth is WWDC for 2023 Worldwide Developers Conference, where we will expect to see iOS 17, iPad OS 17, new Mac OS, and possibly the long rumored VR or mixed reality headset. We'll talk

Wes:
or

Stephen Robles:
about

Wes:
possibly not.

Stephen Robles:
possibly not. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But it is official official. Greg Jaws we act tweeted, hoping the week of June 5th comes around swiftly with a capital S. That's a nod to the developing language of Swift. Exciting though, that is to really be focused again on video presentations rather than a live stage announcement. The language talks about, you know, share a video experience for that week with the keynote on June 5th, that there will be an in-person portion of the event via the lottery system. But Apple expects most people will be tuning in via video and that's really where they're gearing it. So I imagine it will be those pre-produced videos again.

Wes:
Yeah, so they they go door to door and invite the press. They want to be there. And then

Stephen Robles:
Alright.

Wes:
the developers have a lottery to see who can show up. And it's like, I don't know, a thousand people or something. It's it's really small. And I think they're going to keep it this way. It it leans into

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
Apple's secrecy. It leans into the fact that Steve Jobs Theater doesn't hold as many people as like Moscone West and stuff like that. And I don't think that it needs to change. I think this is perfectly fine. Before the WWDC, when it was more stage directed, more in person, more networking and all of that, yes, it was better for the people who attended, but it never really acknowledged all the people who were not able to attend. And now they've gone out of their way to produce these really well done sessions, these outstanding keynote videos. And I don't see this going anywhere. This really leans into Apple's strengths as a company. And

Stephen Robles:
sure.

Wes:
I just, I don't see us going back to any kind of stage presentation. It doesn't make sense.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, this might be it for a long time. Although with the whole rumored mixed reality, will it come at this WWDC? We still have a Mac Pro floating around out there that is supposed to be announced at some point. You would think that for those big releases, Apple might have done a live on stage event, but it really doesn't feel like it's going to be that, which then raises

Wes:
I mean,

Stephen Robles:
the question,

Wes:
think,

Stephen Robles:
are they going to have a big hardware announcement?

Wes:
we'll think about it. When was the last time they announced anything on a stage? I mean, they haven't even announced

Stephen Robles:
Good

Wes:
any

Stephen Robles:
question.

Wes:
of the recent iPhones. Or I mean, I saw people saying that was like, they have to come on stage and show it, right? No, they, when was the last time they did that? That nothing announced,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, that's true.

Wes:
especially since COVID started, just it's all been pre-recorded video. And I, again, they are super proud of those things. They love those things. I remember the first one they did with a really high definition What's his name?

Stephen Robles:
Who's that?

Wes:
Wait, Air Force One?

Stephen Robles:
Oh, Craig, uh, yeah, Craig Federighi.

Wes:
Yeah, Craig Federighi sitting in front of an iPad and showing off the magic keyboard and we're like, why does it look so crisp? What is going on here?

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, that's true.

Wes:
It was almost unnerving how high fidelity the video is. We're like, is this what WWC is gonna look like? Cause that was like in March or whatever. That was when the world was locking down and we knew that in-person WWDC wasn't happening and they

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
just leaned into it right away this really crisp production video for the magic keyboard and the cursor support for iPad. And then here we are three years later and yeah, this is their bread and butter now. They're killing it and no one else in the tech field has come even close to these kinds of presentations.

Stephen Robles:
You have me curious now. The last in-person event was... let me see.

Wes:
It would have been October 2019, I think.

Stephen Robles:
October 2019.

Wes:
because they announced AirPods Max over a press release in December, and the March event was the iPad keyboard, and that was virtual.

Stephen Robles:
Right. So you, I mean, all the Apple Silicon lineup has been via video. There's been no

Wes:
mhm

Stephen Robles:
in-person announcements for that. And that was a huge change. You know, the M1 iPad Pro, the Mac Studio has been video. So you have a point like Apple has been announcing lots of new products, even new product categories without in-person events. So yeah, this might

Wes:
Yeah,

Stephen Robles:
be it.

Wes:
I mean, we have some nostalgia for Steve Jobs walking out with a Manila envelope and pulling out a MacBook Air

Stephen Robles:
Yes,

Wes:
and

Stephen Robles:
yes.

Wes:
definitely, but there's also things that we seem to forget. And we always dread the game presenters to come out and play their video game live on stage because it's so exciting.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, that's a little...yeah.

Wes:
Or, you know, Bono touching fingers with Tim Cook to launch their free album everyone to love.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, that was funny.

Wes:
I mean, those are fun and I enjoyed those presentations, but I enjoyed these way more. And I've been talking to a couple of people who really miss the old presentation style and are like, you know, dang it, I really wanted this to be the one where they're like, come and watch us on stage. And obviously this isn't it. And like in person live sessions and all of that, it's like, no, even like everyone at Apple has talked about how amazing this is. Like the engineers having to give these sessions. Pre-recorded

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
video all the way. They love it.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
They're comfortable with it. They can retake certain scenes if they need to. Like, it's

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, it's

Wes:
great.

Stephen Robles:
true. It's great. So last thing I just want to talk about the invite, which is kind of this rainbow, not even half circle, but kind of these arches. There's been some thought, I think it was MKBHD said, oh, this is definitely a VR lens, like refracting or whatever. It's supposed to look like a lens. And then, you know, I was like, maybe they're bringing the Mac Pro trash can design back. And this is like part of the whole circle trash can, which I know I don't actually think that. But most, most likely, it is probably just that theater that is set up in the middle of Apple park in the grassy area that has the rainbow for the stage. Like, I don't think there's anything more to read into it than that, but, you know, I'll welcome any theories from people on Twitter and Mastodon. That's

Wes:
All right,

Stephen Robles:
fine.

Wes:
so we've

Stephen Robles:
Ha

Wes:
seen

Stephen Robles:
ha.

Wes:
similar artwork styles to this before. It reminds me a lot of how light refracts through glass or like a bubble.

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
They did the bubbles a few years ago. I don't think this means anything. It means they have a rainbow bridge in the middle

Stephen Robles:
Right,

Wes:
of Apple Park.

Stephen Robles:
that's all.

Wes:
Someone pointed out that when you shine light through a pancake lens, which is the kind of lens you would use for a VR headset, this is the shape spectrum.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
But otherwise, yeah, I mean, no, this is just really artistically, you know, fun looking rainbow. And that's, I think, all you need to know about it. I mean, even,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
they didn't even do like a VR version of it. They didn't do or not a VR, they didn't do a augmented reality version of it. You could view through your phone.

Stephen Robles:
Oh, that's true. Yeah.

Wes:
You know, Greg Josweak sadly just tweeted out a still photo and was like, we're doing this. And

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, that is true.

Wes:
it just, it definitely feels a little bit more, I don't know, laid back. I

Stephen Robles:
muted. It's

Wes:
muted.

Stephen Robles:
a muted invite and, you know,

Wes:
Yeah, I love the usual criminology that goes into this. And it's like, yeah, so someone,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
one of the leakers that we like to follow, Unknown21 pointed out is like, if you look closely at the bottom of the rainbow, it looks like the silhouette of a headset. I'm like,

Stephen Robles:
Eww, no, I don't

Wes:
no.

Stephen Robles:
think so, I don't think so.

Wes:
Anyway, yeah, it's fun, but I don't know if we want to get into this now because it feels like it fits in. We're already hearing that the headset is possibly even pushed back.

Stephen Robles:
I mean,

Wes:
which

Stephen Robles:
all

Wes:
was inevitable.

Stephen Robles:
right, let's talk about it now. There was an article supposedly, and this is quoting from our article, I'll put it in the show notes, eight anonymous current and former employees told the New York Times they are skeptical about Apple's headset, despite Apple's apparent glossy demonstration of the technology that was, Mark Gurman in his newsletter was like, Apple held this demonstration for the top 100 Apple executives, and those supposedly flashy demos or whatever, but now there are rumors that, Maybe not going to be announced because it's not ready and because of all the pushback that some employees have given. I don't know, man.

Wes:
Oh no,

Stephen Robles:
I'm

Wes:
I'm...

Stephen Robles:
just so tired.

Wes:
I mean, I'm talking about this morning. Did you miss this morning's news?

Stephen Robles:
Well, what was this morning's news? What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was this morning's news? Tell me. What was

Wes:
Okay, so Ming-Chi Kuo says now. Apple isn't very optimistic about the ARMR headset announcement recreating the astounding iPhone moment. The mass production schedule for assembly has been pushed back by another one to two months to mid-delay, third quarter, 2023. The delay also adds uncertainty to whether the new device would be revealed during WWDC.

Stephen Robles:
whereas I can't even. I can't even anymore with the headset stuff.

Wes:
And

Stephen Robles:
Can't even.

Wes:
I do

Stephen Robles:
I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even anymore with the headset stuff. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even anymore with the headset stuff. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even. I can't even.

Wes:
want to point out that I updated our WWDC info page yesterday

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
and

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
mentioned that the headset was one of the expectations and then added, but probably not because they say this every year.

Stephen Robles:
Hmm

Wes:
And it always seems to be delayed at the last second. And it's exactly what happened. This

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
thing is, I want to cover a couple of points because you mentioned the additional 100 executive sadness. story and

Stephen Robles:
Alright, right.

Wes:
so I just I don't know if I said this enough I know I said this last time I was on the show we got to consider the source of any information that we talk about even on Apple Insider we generally try to put out some of our own thoughts about it but most of the time because it's news we cover it head on and don't really go into too much more than that because

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
we're not every piece that we write. But I wanna point out, consider the source. Anytime you read any of these rumors, anytime you read anything about the VR headset and how disappointed everyone is and how expensive it is and how Tim Cook is being a big bully and making it come out anyway, even though it's not ready. Yeah, honestly, it's mostly noise. Even, yeah, even if it's Mark Gurman, you know, like these guys are good at what they do. They find information. but a lot of times the people willing to talk are the people with a problem

Stephen Robles:
Hmm,

Wes:
and

Stephen Robles:
yeah

Wes:
so so Yes, the top 100 executives were probably were shown the Apple AR mixed reality headset, whatever

Stephen Robles:
Mm.

Wes:
and at least one or two of them probably said, yeah, that's weird and

Stephen Robles:
Ha

Wes:
and

Stephen Robles:
ha.

Wes:
Some guy who is really mad that Tim Cook wants to put this thing out went to Mark Gurman and said they're really upset And they don't like it and they said it's bad and And again, like you can say, I've been to these kinds of things and all it takes is one person having a poor opinion and then suddenly everyone thinks everyone has a poor opinion

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
and it really just reflects your own biases.

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
And so yeah, if you go to the press with this information, usually you have an agenda and because Apple is super secret and these employees work really hard on these products, they don't want them leaking out. And I don't think it was one of the top 100 executives Telling tales out of school here. I think if anyone was present at that thing That wasn't an executive was probably one of the engineers probably on their way out the door Who knows maybe it was an engineer's buddy that they were having a beer with and the engineer was complaining About it and that and then they took it to the news this stuff could come from anywhere It didn't

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
come from Tim Cook himself complaining to Mark German on his private line, right? It's just understand that these stories are fun and they add to the conversation, but generally speaking, they're probably wrong or exaggerated. And I tend to take them with a grain of salt myself.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, and if you want like the true inside story, you're gonna have to wait 15 to 20 years when someone writes a book from who was working at Apple at this period, now in 2022 and 2023. And then you'll be able to, I think, get a better picture of what actually is going on behind the scenes. Another great example I've mentioned before on the show is Ken Kosiena's book, Creative Selection. He worked on the iPhone keyboard and then the iPad keyboard before launch. And he has lots of stories about what was actually happening inside the walls of Apple at the time. going to hear about it for like 15 years until after today. So

Wes:
If

Stephen Robles:
all grains of salt. And I don't even know. I don't know if I'm 50 50 anymore about this reality. It's a coming WDDC. I'm like 20% chance maybe.

Wes:
Well, so if you, one person I like to follow is Michael Gartenberg. He was

Stephen Robles:
Yep.

Wes:
a previous Apple marketing director. It's a fun title, because he even explained the title the other day. He gets really salty about things. I don't know if you know this, but he was getting salty about someone's profile saying that they were the director of something at Apple. And it's like, and he says, no, there are multiple directors. It's plural. And

Stephen Robles:
Right, right.

Wes:
saying your name in that way implies that you're the one, the only the head, the one that makes decisions and that's just wrong. There are so many people in charge of so many aspects of things, Apple,

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
that there's no one true head except for the executive head of that branch that everyone reports to. And they're not talking about their job on Twitter.

Stephen Robles:
Hmm

Wes:
Again, it's just so

Stephen Robles:
Good

Wes:
much

Stephen Robles:
boy.

Wes:
is lost in the noise. I don't want to ramble too much. I just want to re-emphasize the fact that... I think leaks and data from that are, you know, from unknown sources and stuff like that. It's interesting. It adds to the conversation. It gets us hyped about products. But anytime you see these pessimistic views, these ideas like the engineers who told Tim Cook they don't want the headset to exist at all, we should wait for Apple Glass to be ready and release that instead. The VR headsets too niche. We don't need to release it to the 100 Executive Meeting

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
and people being upset doesn't appear to be ready. And now Quo saying that it's not gonna have its iPhone moment. Again, this could all be the same one guy just complaining to different sources in the media on background and none of it could be true. Some of it could be true. And I think the annoying thing is, is the reason why people put these stories out in the first place is because they feel like they need to be negative on purpose to control the narrative

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
a little bit and dampen expectations.

Stephen Robles:
sure.

Wes:
If only because they don't want to announce this product in June and have everyone hyping up and expecting it to be so perfect and amazing and then be disappointed by it. So maybe this stuff's required as part of the process for the nerds to calm down a little bit. All I'm asking you is to just take a little bit of reality on the situation and maybe don't go too crazy with this stuff.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah. So we'll see what that's, that's all for the VR headset. And, you know, again, we'll see, we'll know in a couple of months, June 5th is what, just two, two-ish months away.

Wes:
Yeah,

Stephen Robles:
And then we'll

Wes:
it's

Stephen Robles:
finally

Wes:
not coming.

Stephen Robles:
be able to do

Wes:
It's not coming up.

Stephen Robles:
what's coming. Let's go through some other actual news. I wanted to talk about this Apple Gangnam store. It's opening in South Korea, March 31st. So as you listen to this podcast, today at Apple session is going to feature K-pop group, New Genes, which is cool. But Apple again, is just out doing themselves with store design. This thing looks incredible. Like it's a beautiful store. One thing I really love, and I don't know if newer Apple stores all have this area, but you'll see in their newsroom article in the pictures, it shows like a dedicated pickup area. So if you buy in the Apple Store app for pickup, like same day, you can go and pick up your stuff. I love that there's like a dedicated table and area for this. I know my Apple Store in the Brandon Mall, Florida, there's no like dedicated pickup area. So when you do buy something and you go there at 2 p.m., whenever your reserve time is, You kind of have to like wander around and find an Apple store employee and then tell them you're picking up and they'll run to the back and get it. But I love this dedicated pickup area. But I love this dedicated pickup area and just everything about the store looks amazing. So.

Wes:
Well, the pickup area is definitely something they learned is a good thing to have during COVID because they built the express lanes

Stephen Robles:
Right,

Wes:
and

Stephen Robles:
right.

Wes:
those worked really well. And I think they're going to start putting these in more stores. I like the design. I like the wood aesthetic. I like how Apple's been doing this in more places lately. We don't need trees. The trees are fun, but I like this better.

Stephen Robles:
You don't like the life of green trees.

Wes:
Yeah, uh, so I, I want, I want, I want you to say the store name one more time as Floridian as you can.

Stephen Robles:
Now wait a minute. It's an apple gangam. Gangnam? How

Wes:
Um,

Stephen Robles:
are you supposed to say

Wes:
well it's

Stephen Robles:
it?

Wes:
in South Korea, I believe it's Gangnam, but

Stephen Robles:
Gangnam.

Wes:
um, like,

Stephen Robles:
I

Wes:
uh,

Stephen Robles:
apologize.

Wes:
have you never, have you never heard the song Gangnam style?

Stephen Robles:
Oh yeah, I thought it was Gangnam style.

Wes:
Yeah...

Stephen Robles:
Oh

Wes:
Uh...

Stephen Robles:
no! This is what, all the tweets that had me this week is just gonna be about this one

Wes:
This

Stephen Robles:
word.

Wes:
one word,

Stephen Robles:
Even though

Wes:
I

Stephen Robles:
we're

Wes:
might

Stephen Robles:
talking

Wes:
be

Stephen Robles:
about

Wes:
wrong,

Stephen Robles:
all this news,

Wes:
I don't know,

Stephen Robles:
no,

Wes:
I mean...

Stephen Robles:
you're probably right. I mean, it looks more phonetically like, you're saying it like Gangnam, Gangnam,

Wes:
Gong-gong-nam.

Stephen Robles:
Gangnam.

Wes:
Yeah, it's long A gong-nam

Stephen Robles:
I would like

Wes:
style.

Stephen Robles:
to issue an official apology to all, everyone in South Korea, to Apple, to my mom. I'm just, I'm sorry for everything. And I don't know how to pronounce this word. You could send me, listen, you send me a little like memo voice memo clip. We have a home kid insider listeners do this. I forget his name, but every time we talk about an Ikea product, which has like an accent that neither Andrew or I know how to say, he'll send me like a little like voice memo of how to pronounce it. We'll play it in the next, I will play it in the next episode of the Apple Insider podcast. If you know actually how to correctly pronounce it, don't just send me random pronunciation. Send me the correct one and I'll insert it into the show.

Wes:
I did cover this for the site. So it's so confusing. All they did was mention in one paragraph that they were gonna have a customer listening experience and a pop-up studio for the K-pop band

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
New Jeans.

Stephen Robles:
New genes, that's right.

Wes:
It's a all-female K-pop group who wrote a, like a exclusive version of a song

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
called OMG for Apple. specifically for the launch of this store. And apparently you can go spend 15 minutes listening to a spatial audio version. Cause originally when I first saw this, I assumed it's like, oh, they're gonna be there and they're gonna like play some music or something. Now I believe all

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
this is, is you're going to go and sit in a chair with AirPods Max and listen to a song for 15 minutes and have them describe how spatial audio makes things really cool. But I mean, fun, I don't know.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
If I was there, go check it out just because this is like something they don't normally do. But

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
it looks like a fun store and definitely

Stephen Robles:
Thank you. Thank you.

Wes:
wish we had more in the United States. And

Stephen Robles:
agreed.

Wes:
I know we have a lot of news to get to, but I had a question for you, Stephen, about

Stephen Robles:
Oh yeah, yeah.

Wes:
about Apple stores. Um, so

Stephen Robles:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Wes:
one of the things that, uh, I was talking to somebody about, um, Apple, uh, the WWDC, the in-person aspects, uh, being able to be a developer and go in-person ask questions. Um, they, Apple built this Apple developer center, um, to kind of give developers year round access to some, uh, engineers and some training and stuff like that. What if Apple started making their Apple stores and to miniature developer centers? Do you think that would appeal to, uh, people? They have like 300

Stephen Robles:
I think so.

Wes:
of these things in the United States.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, I think so. And I feel like, you know, Apple's been doing this interesting thing where they're offering more virtual sessions, both to developers and then even more recently to podcast creators, where you can actually book like one-on-one virtual video sessions, I assume, like over FaceTime. And so that's cool that that's available to people. I do think the in-person aspect would be really cool. I don't know the amount of Apple stores in the United States, like their physical size, like their footprint, how conducive it can be having largest groups but I imagine stores like in New York City, Los Angeles, Miami, I feel like

Wes:
Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
it would be cool.

Wes:
I would assume if something like this happened, it would be limited to the ones that are the specialized large stores, and because they generally have conference rooms in the back. So

Stephen Robles:
wherever

Wes:
the mall stores do not have conference rooms. But

Stephen Robles:
right, right, right.

Wes:
I don't know,

Stephen Robles:
And I, yeah.

Wes:
I just like the idea of Apple using more of their retail space for more things. Because the town square aspect that Angela Arence what's the word arrogant of them?

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
Like, you know, they were very sure of themselves. I mean, yes, a lot of people go to Apple stores to kind of wander around and stare at the walls and not

Stephen Robles:
And

Wes:
buy

Stephen Robles:
yes,

Wes:
anything,

Stephen Robles:
there

Wes:
but

Stephen Robles:
is that.

Wes:
it was never gonna be a social experience and I think they went the wrong angle. Like if I was there and in charge today, I would lean more into the sessions and developer aspect. I mean, and the sessions are cool. I've been there when they're going on. I've never actually attended a session. mostly because I guess they just a lot

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
of the

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
ones that were there when I was when I was around didn't appeal to me. I mean,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
I didn't want to go on a photo walk in Norfolk, Virginia. It's not very

Stephen Robles:
Thank

Wes:
pretty.

Stephen Robles:
you. Bye.

Wes:
I mean, there's some cool spots, but the downtown the downtown mall in that area is just you walk outside and it's a concrete jungle.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
But yeah, it's it the sessions and stuff are cool. I don't really understand the people that attend those how they discover it. Like I want to meet people who do these things like

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
without being part of the Apple Sphere listen in the podcast all day long. I mean, how do you find

Stephen Robles:
Thank

Wes:
out

Stephen Robles:
you.

Wes:
about

Stephen Robles:
Bye.

Wes:
it? How do you get there? I just want to understand. But um...

Stephen Robles:
I almost wonder if they geared in more towards advanced users and use cases if they would actually have more of a turnout because I feel like people like us heavy Apple users, if we're going to order a product, it's going to be

Wes:
Thank you.

Stephen Robles:
on

Wes:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Stephen Robles:
launch day or shortly after we order it online and ships to our house like we have little reason to go into an Apple store. But if I heard that they were having like an advanced podcast creator session at a local Apple Apple store, like I would be curious about that or like advanced final cut techniques for video editors. I almost

Wes:
I mean...

Stephen Robles:
wonder if that would appeal to. more of an audience that would actually go in person and be like, oh, I'm gonna check this out.

Wes:
bare minimum, it would act as a networking venture. So like, come and meet

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
your,

Stephen Robles:
yeah.

Wes:
your, your contemporaries, come meet the people who are doing the same thing as you in your area. I mean,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
could you imagine like talking to the alligator podcaster in Florida? I don't know what they talk about down there. At

Stephen Robles:
Wow.

Wes:
your Brandon Apple store.

Stephen Robles:
Wow. You make fun of me over at Gangum and you're over here. I mean, that's, that's the stereotype. Just think everything's

Wes:
I've been

Stephen Robles:
alligators.

Wes:
to Brandon.

Stephen Robles:
Okay.

Wes:
It's fun to drive through on your way to the beach.

Stephen Robles:
It's very busy, it's very busy in Brandon,

Wes:
It's

Stephen Robles:
it's very

Wes:
very

Stephen Robles:
busy.

Wes:
risky.

Stephen Robles:
It's very busy. But anyway, I'll put it like, look at the pictures of the store, that's pretty fun. Apple Pay Later is now officially official kind of, Apple said that Apple Pay Later is available to select users, so it is not widely available yet. Seems like they're rolling it out slowly, but it is out there for some, I have not seen it. Apparently if you want to use Apple Pay Later, which the system would be like four payment installments if you're going to purchase something, if you go through this process, Apple Pay Later actually has application in the wallet app you would do on your phone and they do a soft credit pull to help ensure that the user is in good financial position. So there is kind of a slight check to make sure that like you're good with credit or whatever and loan amounts apparently are only 50 to a thousand dollars. So if you're hoping to buy a $10,000 Mac Pro in Apple Pay later payments that's not going to happen and

Wes:
Okay,

Stephen Robles:
yeah.

Wes:
I don't know where that $50,000 is coming from because I believe that was the limits during the retail employees were testing it previously

Stephen Robles:
Oh, I see.

Wes:
and that number was thrown around and I believe that was used during the testing period and maybe during this initial rollout, sure, but I don't think that's gonna always be the case. It's gonna be just like the Apple card where it's gonna just be based on your credit history and whatnot. And

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
I didn't realize this, but it kind of dawned on me material. This is going to be yet another card. It'll show up as a card called Apple Pay Later inside of the Wallet app. It's not going to be

Stephen Robles:
Thank you. Thank you.

Wes:
underneath like the because right now if you pay for something in installments with the Apple card, you have to go in the Apple card, you have to go to an installment section and view them there. And first for some reason I thought, oh Apple Pay Later is just going to be here. No, this is actually going to be its own completely separate tab in the Wallet app, which I think is smart. But

Stephen Robles:
Hmm, yeah.

Wes:
I know I've seen this Are you gonna use Apple Pay later? What are you gonna buy? What's your first purchase with Apple Pay later?

Stephen Robles:
I will probably not use it. I'm curious how the iPhone upgrade program will work. If Apple will move from the citizens one loan thing, that is what you do if you do, at least here in the US, if you do the iPhone upgrade program. And that is what I do utilize that program. And that's really the only monthly payment thing that I'm doing to Apple, but it's not really to Apple. So I'm curious if this Apple pay later, maybe not this year, maybe it's too soon to have this official by September, But if future iPhone installments get moved to this, then I'll probably use it for that

Wes:
Well,

Stephen Robles:
if I keep doing it,

Wes:
if you

Stephen Robles:
but.

Wes:
want to buy your iPhone in four payments, this is a completely separate

Stephen Robles:
That's true,

Wes:
system

Stephen Robles:
that's true.

Wes:
because you have to look at what they're doing. This is, every financial product Apple offers, except for the upcoming savings account because apparently that's going to be funded with their own money

Stephen Robles:
Oh wow.

Wes:
or, right, there was something they were doing, right? One of their financial projects that isn't out yet, they were going to back with their own finances or worried Apple's trying to become a bank. I believe that's the savings, high yield savings, but

Stephen Robles:
We're

Wes:
this

Stephen Robles:
in.

Wes:
is a program that actually exists within MasterCards network. So

Stephen Robles:
Hmm

Wes:
this is an Apple, I mean, maybe they're financing it using their money, like they're backing the loans or whatever through their own finances, and that might be somewhat controversial, but this is a preexisting MasterCard network, GoldenSax is running the Apple card and the savings account, I believe, is gonna be built on the backbone of Goldman Sachs Marcus program.

Stephen Robles:
Okay.

Wes:
So none of these things are inventions of Apple so far. They're all just built on existing networks and they're putting the Apple brand on top of it and then building software around it within the wallet app, which I think is clever. I think it's a good idea. We don't have to get into debt,

Stephen Robles:
No, no, no.

Wes:
because I understand and I believe it was the Verge that wrote a piece about Apple's dirty secret behind their their pay later program and that is Americans love going into debt buying frivolous things and it's true Happens a lot and this program kind of invites people to go in debt forever to buy a one like a pack of gum or something Because yeah, you can easily go buy the hundred dollar pair of shoes that you've been wanting and and then because of your income or because of your position in life or whatever reason, you pay the bare minimum or you never quite get it paid off and then you just end up getting hit with interest types and stuff. I don't know if that's going to necessarily be possible with this program being a four, it is built to be a four payment program. If you are buying a $10,000 object, you're going to pay four payments of $2,500. I

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
just don't know how dangerous this one is. and it all comes down to personal control. Me, I think I'll use it just for fun. Maybe I'll buy a pair of Adam's shoes or something. Just a, oh, I love those, yeah. But yeah, maybe I'll buy something silly like

Stephen Robles:
I've

Wes:
that just

Stephen Robles:
had

Wes:
to try

Stephen Robles:
Adam's,

Wes:
out the program,

Stephen Robles:
they're

Wes:
see

Stephen Robles:
good

Wes:
the

Stephen Robles:
shoes.

Wes:
ins and outs of it. I'm not really too worried

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
about a

Stephen Robles:
they're

Wes:
credit pool

Stephen Robles:
fun.

Wes:
for something like that and yeah, something to check out. I'm not really too worried about a credit pool for something like that and yeah, something to check out. I'm not really too worried about a credit pool for something like that and yeah, something to check out. I'm not really too worried about a credit pool for something like that and yeah, something to check out. I'm not really too worried about a credit pool for something like that and yeah, something to check out. I'm not really too worried about a credit pool

Stephen Robles:
I'll try to, yeah. All right, well this past week, iOS 16.4 and all the updates for iPad, TV, Mac, it is all out now. And we've talked about some of the features before, home kit architecture upgrade. If you did not do it previously, that's now available to you. There are new emojis, which is why most people update their iOS software. Safari web push notifications, so websites can see notifications without having an app on your phone. New like beta menu options. So if you want to opt into like public or developer betas, where you have like better control over that rather than having to install profiles and such. You kind of have that right in the settings app. But the two things I wanted to focus on, screen time and then also some of the new shortcuts actions. But also one of the other features is the AppleCare coverage overview. You know, before you can kind of see what your AppleCare coverage was across your devices by going to them specifically. But it looks like now that there's a new menu, I'm actually trying to find it Do you know where exactly this is?

Wes:
What

Stephen Robles:
I'm trying to.

Wes:
to control what betas you have.

Stephen Robles:
No, you can see your

Wes:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Stephen Robles:
AppleCare coverage.

Wes:
I'm sorry, I was distracted by something.

Stephen Robles:
No, you're good, you're good.

Wes:
So an AppleCare coverage menu.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, there's like a new place where you could see all your devices covered. Okay. So if you go to your, so if you go to the settings app in Iowa 16.4, you go to general and you go to about and then click coverage. It would previously show you just the coverage for the device that you're on, but now it actually shows you all the devices that you have Apple care on. And it'll tell you which has it expired. I didn't realize my kids AirPods coverage expired, but I also see like my here. I'll see my Apple watch. You'll see all the different Apple care coverages and you can have it all at a glance. You can tap the different devices, see when it is, and just nicely displayed in one place and you kind of manage all of that. You can even manage the plans. If you have one of the month-to- month Apple care payment plans, you can manage that here in this Settings app. So that's another cool addition.

Wes:
Yeah, this is a per device it seems because on my iPad I only see my AirPods on my iPad on my iPhone

Stephen Robles:
Really.

Wes:
I see the Apple Watch an iPhone and AirPods so I think it's whatever is paired to that plus the device

Stephen Robles:
Oh,

Wes:
itself.

Stephen Robles:
you're right.

Wes:
Yeah

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, you're right. On the bottom it says coverage is only shown for this iPhone and Bluetooth paired devices that can be covered by AppleCare Plus. For a full list of your devices, go to Apple Support. So that's why I see my watches and AirPods and all that. But you are right, yeah. If you wanna see your iPad coverage, like I can't see my iPad Pro in here, I would have to go to that device. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So.

Wes:
I can't wait for Apple to expand into car and home insurance. Maybe a life insurance policy?

Stephen Robles:
Apple Car Care Plus. That would be something.

Wes:
I bring that up just because it's again, they're expanding everything, right? So if you look at every business that they're in right now, imagine how they can grow that business. And you just look at Apple care and like, what else can they do there? It made

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
me think of, they ran a promotion with lemonade insurance, right?

Stephen Robles:
Hmm,

Wes:
Is that it?

Stephen Robles:
I think

Wes:
Yeah,

Stephen Robles:
maybe

Wes:
so yeah, well, it was lemonade and they ran it when luck came out. And it was just a promotion saying, get lemonade insurance. really get you anything they were just promoting it for some reason and I'm

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
just like what if Apple like bought lemonade and I couldn't get the insurance turns

Stephen Robles:
Thank

Wes:
out

Stephen Robles:
you.

Wes:
because

Stephen Robles:
Bye.

Wes:
my car is too old I didn't know that was a thing I didn't

Stephen Robles:
Oh,

Wes:
know that

Stephen Robles:
I see.

Wes:
I didn't know that some insurance companies gate you based on what age your car is

Stephen Robles:
Interesting.

Wes:
yeah

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
anyway

Stephen Robles:
that's weird. Anyway, some of the other updates, I want to get to a couple of shortcuts actions, but for focus filters, I actually, I actually struggled to find this at first. But if you go to your focus filters, so if you have an evening focus, let me go into that, you know, you can add the people who can contact you during this focus mode, the apps to send you notifications, customize what home screens appear on your devices, and Apple Watch focus filters, you can choose what email accounts, Fantastic Cal integrates here, but you can also choose on display is always on or not. And I didn't find it at first after I updated to 16.4, but you have to tap add filter down there at the very bottom of your focus mode settings. And then you get all the apps that currently integrate with focus filters. I'm now seeing just now for the first time one password, I guess as integrated with focus filters now so you can choose which one password accounts or collections is the default during certain and tick tick, but down in system filters you can set the appearance light or dark mode, you can turn on low power mode, and you can also adjust your always on display per focus mode. So I'm going to try and rock the always on display again. I've had it off since I've had my 14 pro, but I'm going to try and do the always on display during the day and then during my evening focus mode and maybe my weekend focus mode leave always on display off. And now you can actually do that

Wes:
Yeah, this is just surfacing the setting that automatically toggled in the sleep focus. You're always on display would turn off if you were ever in the sleep focus, because that was one of the predetermined Apple system focuses.

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
Um, and this just lets you do it manually per focus. And that's fine. Um, I still have never turned my always on display off cause, um, I actually,

Stephen Robles:
You like it? Yeah,

Wes:
I like it. Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
yeah,

Wes:
I,

Stephen Robles:
yeah.

Wes:
I, I gave something from it, but, uh, yeah, there, there's a lot of fun things that you can do with focus filters. I like filtering my emails. I like filter. answering

Stephen Robles:
Yes,

Wes:
different apps.

Stephen Robles:
love

Wes:
Apple,

Stephen Robles:
it.

Wes:
please just put every setting in here. I don't know. I know it,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
like,

Stephen Robles:
they're adding them slowly,

Wes:
you know

Stephen Robles:
slowly

Wes:
what

Stephen Robles:
but surely.

Wes:
would be amazing for focus modes? Apple

Stephen Robles:
What's that?

Wes:
music, algorithm, like, let me toggle whether or not I'm affecting the algorithm using

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
a focus

Stephen Robles:
I know

Wes:
filter.

Stephen Robles:
you really want that, yeah.

Wes:
Like, when I go into sleep mode, turn off any possible detection of the algorithm I can do whatever I want with my music and not have to hear sleep sounds in my recommendations

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
for the next six years. I'm not sure what I'm talking about. I'm just going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and then I'm going to go back to the beginning of the video and

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, no, I get it. Well, but also some other shortcut actions in 16.4, the silence unknown collars toggle, which if you don't know about that, it is an amazing feature. You can actually toggle that via shortcut. The always on display is also in a shortcut. But my new favorite shortcut action, because I have kids, I use intercom all the time across the home pods, across my house. And there are some things that I do pretty regularly, like saying dinner is ready, or brush your teeth and go to bed. things I used to broadcast to specific home pods. It was a little bit of a chore. You can use Siri. That wasn't 100% accurate. So I would typically go to the home app on my phone, go to the room, hit the little wave form, and then do the intercom. Well, now I've created a shortcut where when I hit it, a menu appears asking which command I would like to broadcast to the home pods. And if it's dinner is ready, I can just tap that and Siri will announce across all the home pods of the house. dinner is ready and I don't have to say anything or do anything. It's just Siri's voice that's doing it. I have some commands for intercom just for in my kids rooms and I can tap that in the shortcut and I don't have to mess with speaking the Siri or mess with the home app. All of it is just in a shortcut menu that I created and it is wonderful. So love that intercom shortcut action. It's, it's the best. It's

Wes:
Yeah, and that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget

Stephen Robles:
wonderful.

Wes:
or something like that. So, yeah, that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget, or something like that. So, yeah, that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget, or something like that. So, yeah, that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget, or something like that. So, yeah, that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget, or something like that. So, yeah, that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget, or something like that. So, yeah, that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget, or something like that. So, yeah, that's a good shortcut to add to a home screen widget, or something like that.

Stephen Robles:
Yes. And I have a, I actually have two shortcut widgets in my slide over page. I don't know if they still call that the today view or what is that? What do you call that page when you swipe to the left

Wes:
Yeah,

Stephen Robles:
today,

Wes:
that's

Stephen Robles:
right?

Wes:
your today view, I believe.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, that one.

Wes:
It's slowly dying.

Stephen Robles:
No, I hope it doesn't die because I put a bunch of widgets over, like I actually have a bunch of shortcuts that I like to run over on there. And I love just being able to swipe over and tap it rather than have home screen real estate be taken up by widgets for shortcuts. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So.

Wes:
Well,

Stephen Robles:
So. So. So.

Wes:
there's

Stephen Robles:
So. So. So. So

Wes:
some widgets that only work here. I have two widgets

Stephen Robles:
Right,

Wes:
here, a

Stephen Robles:
that's

Wes:
P

Stephen Robles:
true.

Wes:
calc, it's a working calculator, I can type into it

Stephen Robles:
Yep.

Wes:
because you can't do that on the home screen. And Homecam, I can view all of my cameras, my home kit security cameras in this slide overview, just

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
with a swipe, my live view of those cameras. Like

Stephen Robles:
I had

Wes:
that's,

Stephen Robles:
that too. Yeah, home

Wes:
yeah,

Stephen Robles:
came

Wes:
like

Stephen Robles:
is

Wes:
those

Stephen Robles:
great.

Wes:
are really handy features and I hope it doesn't

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
go away.

Stephen Robles:
I hope it doesn't die. Don't kill it, Apple. Leave that Today View page, I like it. And then I bemoaned screen time and how buggy it was previously. So now that 16.4 is out, I had my entire family update like day of. I sent a group text, I said, update all your things. Is screen time better? Maybe in 16.4, I will say that requests seem to be approved more consistently once all my kids devices were running 16.4. If I want to approve a screen time request on the Mac, it is now acknowledged that it doesn't work in messages, which is the default place. There's actually an open in system settings button now that appears, which is really odd and also doesn't work, but that's a thing that's changed. From my iPhone and my Apple Watch, it feels like requests have been more consistent. screen time settings like content restrictions, whether it's specific websites, or if I'm trying to go in and view activity for my kids screen time. Anytime I try to go to past day, which is already kind of awkward, like you have to go to the specific person, go to see all activity, then you can see how much hours they've spent on whatever apps per day. If you hit the back arrow to view like yesterday, for a split second, it'll show the data and then it jumps back to today. And if I tap it again, go to two days ago for a split second and then jumps back to today. There's actually no way to view past days activity because it's just buggy, like on all my devices. Like I literally right now try to hit the back button and take a screenshot as quick as I can just to get a picture of the past days because it's just so buggy and it still doesn't work great. So screen time requests, maybe a little better now, not so on the Mac, on the Mac screen time requests are still broken. And seeing activity data is still great. So hopefully it still gets fixed. Maybe 16.5 will be another bug fix.

Wes:
Yeah, but if you're out there and you don't have screen time enabled and you're doing family sharing with some kids go enable screen time I know

Stephen Robles:
Go enable

Wes:
it's

Stephen Robles:
screen time.

Wes:
I know it's I know it's buggy, but it will save you. I promise it will save you

Stephen Robles:
Yes,

Wes:
Them kids

Stephen Robles:
it is.

Wes:
are tricky. They're tricky

Stephen Robles:
Kids are tricky.

Wes:
Um, I wrote I wrote a story recently

Stephen Robles:
Oh.

Wes:
About a kid spinning well, so normally we we write these stories and it's like kid spends $500,000 on fortnight skins or something stupid Well, this one I wanted to cover because it hit a little closer to home because of how easy it was for this to happen.

Stephen Robles:
Hmm

Wes:
A kid spent $800 on Roblox, right?

Stephen Robles:
oof

Wes:
And that is still a significant amount of money, especially on something as,

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
you know, silly as Roblox and this

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
kid, um, he was old enough to know better, but, um, he didn't fully understand where the money was coming from. Apparently he was at that age range. I think he was maybe 10 years old. He didn't fully comprehend that this was a significant amount of money or whatever.

Stephen Robles:
Sure.

Wes:
But, uh, Anyway, he figured out that all he had to do was he figured out the scam that everyone did not hear about until like three weeks ago. So maybe he read an article. I don't know. But the thing where people are shoulder surfing pass codes and then

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
using the passcode to reset the Apple ID password.

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
Well, this mother thought she was savvy. She told me herself she owned multiple Apple products. She thought she was savvy in this way. She had the kids set up. with a password. They were on family sharing, but she was not aware of screen time,

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
period. So she had him set up so password set, no Touch ID to approve purchases, must enter password every time a purchase is made, which honestly should be enough. But did not know that all he needed was his device passcode, which he knew because it's his device,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
went in, changed his Apple ID by saying, forgot my password, and reset his Apple ID password to make as many Roblox purchases as he wanted. And she didn't catch it until it was too late, cause he just made multiple in succession. And I don't know if the conclusion of that

Stephen Robles:
Wow.

Wes:
story, the last thing I know is that she requested a refund, which she should get, cause Apple's usually good about that stuff. But

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, and that's

Wes:
yeah.

Stephen Robles:
the one setting in screen

Wes:
Mm-hmm.

Stephen Robles:
time when you set it for kids in the content and privacy Restrictions you have the ability to disable or mark as don't allow account Changes and if you mark don't allow account changes then the whole iCloud Settings area that's at the top of the settings menu is grayed out and it's not clickable Like they actually can't even get into any of that iCloud stuff Which is where you would go to reset your iCloud password And so just for that setting alone, you know,

Wes:
Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
enable screen time

Wes:
And

Stephen Robles:
and say don't allow.

Wes:
kids, kids are crafty. Um, I mean, we've discussed it before. There's, there's so many methods, uh, and there are always new ones coming up because the kids are finding new ways to get around. That's on YouTube. Like if, if your kid has YouTube,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
eventually a random video is going to pop up and it's going to tell them how to steal your property or identity and like

Stephen Robles:
You're

Wes:
moved

Stephen Robles:
proper.

Wes:
to California, like they're going to

Stephen Robles:
Build

Wes:
take a,

Stephen Robles:
a time machine. Take

Wes:
yeah.

Stephen Robles:
all your belongings. Yeah,

Wes:
Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
yeah,

Wes:
So, um,

Stephen Robles:
it's a lot.

Wes:
it, yeah. So just keep in mind screen time. Yes. It's a great tool. It isn't foolproof. Nothing will ever beat parental supervision and control. Know what your kids are doing. Keep

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
an eye on

Stephen Robles:
that's

Wes:
them

Stephen Robles:
a good point.

Wes:
because

Stephen Robles:
That's good.

Wes:
they will try to take over the world if you let them.

Stephen Robles:
Picky in the brain. One other thing that came out in 16.4 and this I wasn't even aware of this until the news came out But Apple Pencil hover there's apparently tilt and azimuth support for Apple Pencil hover Which is only available on the M2 iPad Pro right now Debuted with that device the Apple director of input experience had an interview with TechCrunch Saying that if you use something like Procreate now with the Apple Pencil hover You can do tilt and that can adjust how the width of brushes and all that will it'll affect that and also azimuth which is like the rotation around a center point. I guess that will actually be readable by apple pencil hover so I yeah

Wes:
I love this part of the story. So this was broken by TechCrunch. They did an interview with a couple of Apple executives. And Brian Heeder wrote the article and he just straight up said, I have no idea what Azimuth is. My graphic designer doesn't know what Azimuth

Stephen Robles:
Ha ha

Wes:
is.

Stephen Robles:
ha ha

Wes:
So

Stephen Robles:
ha ha

Wes:
I'm pasting in an Oxford like dictionary definition of Azimuth

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
and just moving on from it. Ha ha ha.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, now I will include this image as the chapter art as you're listening, but it shows like a sphere basically and the kind of movements that are azimuth. And so yeah, maybe you could figure it out from there. So, yeah, maybe you could figure it out from there. So, yeah, maybe you could figure it out from there. So, yeah, maybe you could figure it out from there. So, yeah, maybe you could figure it out from there. So, yeah, maybe

Wes:
Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
you could figure it out from there. So, yeah, maybe you could

Wes:
No,

Stephen Robles:
figure it out from

Wes:
I,

Stephen Robles:
there.

Wes:
no, I, I specifically went and found this image. I was surprised tech crunched it include something like this. Um, but I wouldn't found this image specifically because it's like, it, it is an understandable concept, but saying it out loud or writing it in text, like describing what it is, is difficult. It's like, all right. So if you're the point of a triangle and your arms, uh, your left arm is the going to the North Pole of the globe and your right arm is the line that is The far corner

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
is the azimuth and it's like

Stephen Robles:
piece

Wes:
what

Stephen Robles:
of cake.

Wes:
yeah,

Stephen Robles:
Piece

Wes:
you

Stephen Robles:
of

Wes:
have

Stephen Robles:
cake.

Wes:
to see

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
it

Stephen Robles:
you

Wes:
you

Stephen Robles:
really

Wes:
have to

Stephen Robles:
do need

Wes:
see it

Stephen Robles:
to

Wes:
in the drawing

Stephen Robles:
see it. So that is the chapter art. Glance over as you're listening and you can see that. I'll stop.

Wes:
Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop. I'll stop.

Wes:
but

Stephen Robles:
I'll stop.

Wes:
it

Stephen Robles:
I'll stop.

Wes:
basically what's cool, sorry, what's cool

Stephen Robles:
Good.

Wes:
about this, if you have a M2 iPad, previously it would preview what was underneath the Apple Pencil, but only as the strictest version of it, like straight down. Now

Stephen Robles:
Whatever.

Wes:
the preview acknowledges exactly what the marking is gonna look like when you put your pencil down. So if you're tilting your pencil and you're gonna be shading rather than drawing, it'll show that shade mark rather than just the pencil tip. big difference especially if you're previewing stuff in like a drawing app like procreate. So it's

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
a cool feature. Fun.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, that is cool. Also 16.5 beta one has already come out. Not a ton of changes here. There's a new sports tab in the news app and a new Siri command that'll let you start and stop a screen recording, which is pretty cool. Like you could go to the control center and just tap recording and it'll do it. But now just being able to ask Siri to start it and stop it. That's pretty cool. Hopefully there's more bug changes and bug fixes and 16.5 than feature editions. I feel like 16.4 was a big like feature edition update. 5's more bug fixes, but nice to

Wes:
Well,

Stephen Robles:
see those two features.

Wes:
the Siri control is interesting because it is in shortcuts. They added the voice commands, but you can't execute a screen recording from shortcuts, which seems like an obvious next step.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
The sports tab has always been there. I almost didn't write about this, but I didn't realize that this was a, the bottom bar tab has a sports button now. It is dedicated

Stephen Robles:
red.

Wes:
and it actually, they removed a tab bar button to insert it. I don't think as many people caught this, but the search button and the following button have now merged. It is the same category on the far right side. So when

Stephen Robles:
Gotcha.

Wes:
you click on that, you have a search, like I think that makes sense. There's a search bar at the top of your following tab. That's simple.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
But yeah, the sports tab, I believe is gonna be a big deal because there's a lot of apps dedicated to sports and sports news. And if anyone buys an iPhone and opens the Apple News app and sees that there, they'll never need to download anything else. I've used it to keep

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
track

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
of a couple of things. It's really handy. It has

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
all of your teams you're following front and center, the previous game scores, all of the current news. It's really well done, smart.

Stephen Robles:
There you go. That's it. All right. Last piece of news before I want to talk about Apple Music Classical. SOS Satellite feature is now available in six more countries in Austria, Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Portugal. So it is now US, Canada and those countries. It is Canada, right? It is available in Canada.

Wes:
Um, I don't know.

Stephen Robles:
I don't

Wes:
I think

Stephen Robles:
know.

Wes:
so. Well, well, Canada, you know, they're, um, way up there. I believe they have it actually. Yeah. I mean, that doesn't make sense because you can get lost in Alaska. Right. So there you go.

Stephen Robles:
Oh, right, right.

Wes:
Yeah, the further north you get, the less accurate it gets, but it is,

Stephen Robles:
It is US and

Wes:
or

Stephen Robles:
Canada.

Wes:
the less

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
work-y it gets. But yes,

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
it is in Canada.

Stephen Robles:
I just checked on Apple's support page. So cool to see more countries. Still no word on how much this might cost after the initial like two year grace period. When Apple announced this, they said, you know, everyone's going to have it kind of included with the purchase of your iPhone, but that it would be a charge eventually and no word yet on what the charge would be per month or year or whatever. So

Wes:
the

Stephen Robles:
yeah.

Wes:
I so if I had to guess the charge is going to be an after the fact cost so you're not I mean maybe you can pay for like a monthly plan or something if you plan on getting lost somewhere but I if I understand it this is always a capability like so if you have a phone that isn't connected to Verizon or anything you can dial 911 it's always be getting signal from a cell tower just because you don't

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
as long as you have a phone you can call like emergency services, that's like a law in the United States.

Stephen Robles:
right.

Wes:
But so I'm assuming that this works the same way. It has the capability of contacting a satellite, getting emergency help, and you're just going to get a bill after the fact for something. It's probably not gonna be overly expensive. It'll probably be more than you think. I mean, you know, maybe it's a hundred bucks for one call. I don't know, but again, that was just a guess. I really don't know.

Stephen Robles:
Не-не-не.

Wes:
But like, if I had to guess, for that. You're not going to pay a cellular plan or whatever for your satellite phone. Um, and

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, the

Wes:
maybe

Stephen Robles:
new story

Wes:
those.

Stephen Robles:
would be horrendous. If someone actually

Wes:
Sure.

Stephen Robles:
was lost at sea, needed to use satellite SOS and the pop-up said, you're not signed up and you can't sign up because you don't have data, so tough luck. Like I can't imagine that story.

Wes:
Well, I wonder how this works too, because there is that one other feature everyone forgets exists of, you can share your location. You don't

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
have to make an emergency call, you can send your location to someone using the satellite data. So maybe there is some sort of add-on to your, because it's not through Verizon or something, you have to pay a specific company. I don't know, it'll be interesting to see how that's implemented for sure.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah. Do you have a few minutes for Apple Music Classical?

Wes:
Oh I'm good, yeah go ahead.

Stephen Robles:
Okay. All right. I want to round up the show talking about Apple Music Classical. The app officially launched internationally. Some users were getting it Monday and I was feverishly opening the app store, trying to look for it. I got it around 11 PM Monday night. A friend Pablo, he actually told me like, Hey, I think it's available. And so I played with it for several hours, Monday evening and Tuesday, working through it. Number one, I really think Apple did a great job. job gearing this app towards classical music. I think the search functionality, the ability to organize your library by composer and works and recordings, searching by composer, searching by composer works and recordings like all of that works really well. Lots of thought going into the now playing screen. You know, if you look at a classical work, I use like Gustav Holtz, the planet's suite. If you look at like the Jupiter movement, you've played that in the regular or stock Apple music app. title is so long it does this weird scrolling thing on the now playing page and you can't like see the whole title at once. That simple thing is in the Apple Classical Music app then you see the whole title and you don't have to have this weird scrolling long title kind of thing which is great. And searching for something like Mozart's Locromosa, part of the Requiem. If you search in Apple Music it'll like show artists called Locromosa that are definitely not classical artists and stuff like that and it might be kind of hard to distinguish which is the classical work I'm looking for. The Music Classical does a great job of recognizing, oh, that's part of Mozart's Requiem, which is a work, and it shows that search result right at the top. Composer name has great pages for each composer, a nice page, shows their most popular works. And I love that when you tap a work, like Mozart's Requiem, the app will show you, here's an editor's pick recording, and then here are the popular recordings, because one of the things with classical music, as this music has been around for hundreds of years, there's many, many recordings from like the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s and recent. And the recordings are very different representations of the work. I made a playlist I'll include it in the show notes for this episode. And some of my favorite pieces is Mozart's Requiem, the Moldau by Smithana and all that kind of stuff. And different recordings sound very different. And I listened to multiple to put my favorite in the playlist. And I think that's great that the app knows that different recordings of the same work matter, different orchestras, the same work matters and the app does a great job distinguishing all of that. It's not perfect. There's some weirdness when it comes to playlists. You can make a playlist in the classical music app that playlist is available in your regular music app. But what's weird is you can't share it from the Apple Music Classical app. Like there's no share button. So if you're looking

Wes:
Thank you. Bye.

Stephen Robles:
at a playlist in Apple Music Classical, you can't share it from there. You have to go over to your regular music app and then you can share that same playlist. Also, if you add a song in the stock music app that's not found in the classical app. And I ran into this by adding like a film score track that I guess is not in the classical app. Once you add that track, you know, you can no longer edit that playlist in the classical app. You'll see this little pop up show and it'll say, because you have non classical tracks in this playlist, you have to edit this playlist in Apple music and then gives you a link to jump over there. That's kind of a weird behavior. And I also wish I could share a playlist, but that sharing it from there means my recipient, whoever I'm texting it to, will actually have it open in their Apple Classical app rather than their Music app. And those who tried opening a playlist link that I sent them, it goes directly to the default Music app. And there's no way to like force it open in the Classical app. So little unfortunate, those kind of like playlist sharing things. And also, no iPad app, you can download the iPhone app on iPad. And I was, I was excited I opened the App Store and right there on the homepage, because Apple is really pushing the Class Collap, you know, they have a TV commercial going, they have like ads going. I opened the App Store on my iPad, I looked in Apple Music Class Schools right there, front and center on my iPad, and then when I opened it, it was just the iPhone app, and it just blown up, and that's unfortunate. I feel like if you're gonna put the Class Collap on the iPad, but it's the iPhone version, like maybe four matter for iPad at least by launch, but hopefully that's coming soon, maybe even a Mac app, I don't know how likely that is, but at least an iPad app would be nice. But overall, I really love it. I've been listening to some of my old favorites. I helped me discover new favorites and new recordings. There is an awesome browse tab and you can browse by instrument. So I was able to go to trumpet and I could view some of my favorite works like the Haydn trumpet concerto and it showed me different recordings I had not heard of. And I was able to discover those, which was really fun. And one of the best things they put in the app is right on the homepage. There is a intro to classical. I forget exactly what the story of classical. basically, I think eight or nine, like 45 minutes episodes, I guess you could call it, and they have a narrator talking about classical music, explaining it. They'll play portions of works while they're talking about it, telling you what to listen for. He was talking about the different time periods like Baroque and Romantic, and it was really great. And so if you want to learn about classical music or have an introduction to it to help you develop an appreciation for it, that story of classical that they have in the classical app is really incredible. So highly recommend that.

Wes:
Yeah, that would have been great in middle school.

Stephen Robles:
Yes, it's really great. I mean,

Wes:
educational

Stephen Robles:
yeah, and I've listened. I've taken many music classes. I had music history and composing in college and all that. And I really do think they did a great job of breaking it down, talking about how classical is kind of a misnomer because there's different periods of music and classical was a single period. And then you had Baroque and Romantic. Well, Baroque was before classical. But anyway, you have all these different time periods and talking about the weirdness of 20th century classical music, which is super weird. It's really cool and so kudos. It's fun. It's really cool and so kudos. It's fun.

Wes:
It's very interesting. I've heard from people that there's still issues like how playlists are organized. Don't like if you play song like an album or something. Each gosh, I don't have the vocabulary for this, but each part of a song. So if you're,

Stephen Robles:
The movements? Like,

Wes:
yeah,

Stephen Robles:
yeah.

Wes:
there we go.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
So if your movement one

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
through four, they're played as

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
if they're songs and they stop and start. There's no fade. They, you know, it's

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
there's a lot of Audities in here that don't still still don't play well without classical music listeners So hopefully that gets fixed over time, but it is definitely a good first step For what Apple wants to do with this and I hope this isn't one of those apps that they just release and ever touch again I really hope we see more development. I Purposefully went I Wrote the release story about this app. So when it came out I I did the screenshots and everything and put it on our website saying hey, it's out. This is what it looks like I to settings and took a screenshot and put it on our story to show that there are no settings for this app. It's so annoying to me because I want to use this app. I want to enjoy it. There's some things about it that are interesting. I want to get into trying out different pieces of music and listening. I want to try like they have a classical sleep playlist. Like I

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
want to integrate this into shortcuts. I want to

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
have my kitchen homepods start playing classical at 4pm every day or something. You know, like

Stephen Robles:
Ooh,

Wes:
I want I want to be

Stephen Robles:
yeah.

Wes:
able to do like really fun, interesting things, none of that's possible right now. And

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
on top of that, because this is so deeply integrated with Apple Music's app, if I add something, so I went through, I found a few composers I know about, like I immediately went and found a Nobuo Uematsu, or sorry, Nobuo Uematsu, who does

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
the

Stephen Robles:
Bye.

Wes:
soundtracks for Final Fantasy, he's like a legend. He has been doing this forever, his music is perfect and amazing. And when it's orchestrated, it's even better. And he has a lot of orchestrated works. And I immediately followed him in the classical app and found some music and added it to my library. And guess what? It's now in my Apple music and I'm like, fun. I like this. I want to listen to it. But I just, I feel like there should be a separation for those of us who want separation. Cause I feel like there's two

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
different kinds of people here. And Apple's only appealing to the one. So the one kind of person is maybe like you, Steven, your classical music tastes are integrated in your musical taste, so you want it to show up in

Stephen Robles:
Hmm,

Wes:
your

Stephen Robles:
alright.

Wes:
Apple Music Collection. You want it to show up when you're casually listening to music, but when I'm casually listening to music, I want to hear my favorite contemporary artists. I want to hear my favorite pop, you know, rap or rock or whatever artists together in a collection, not to be spliced in with a Zelda's lullaby from

Stephen Robles:
Thank you.

Wes:
a

Stephen Robles:
Thank

Wes:
video

Stephen Robles:
you.

Wes:
game and then followed by, you know, Beethoven's whatever and then and then suddenly we're back to Paramore like I don't want that in a playlist

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
and For some reason

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
Apple music's algorithms like here's your now and you're up next or your your playlist or your Favorites playlist and it does that and it's like Jarring and strange

Stephen Robles:
here.

Wes:
and there's something there that Apple I Please do something about this give me a toggle give me a control let me exclude in genres of music from my recommendations. I know I'm probably the only person on the planet who cares about this. I don't know but it just seems strange to me. At the bare minimum, let me say from Apple Music app, enrich my algorithm and add to my, you know, listening

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
history. Apple Music Classical do not but because they're so intrinsically tied, I don't think that's even possible because I think if someone needs to examine the code and do this because I don't know, I can't do, I

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
know

Stephen Robles:
I don't

Wes:
how to

Stephen Robles:
know.

Wes:
do that. But if I had to guess, this is just a skin

Stephen Robles:
Thank you. Thank you.

Wes:
for Apple music and it's pulling specific metadata from

Stephen Robles:
Right.

Wes:
Apple's library. So it's able to say, here's a song from Apple music and then pull in additional information and reveal it to you. It's not actually its own collection. It's not its own separate library or anything. I don't

Stephen Robles:
All

Wes:
think there's

Stephen Robles:
right.

Wes:
any way to separate the two and that's

Stephen Robles:
Hmm.

Wes:
sad.

Stephen Robles:
It is unfortunate. One of the other things I do like these ensemble playlists. So the app does a good job of like separating out solos, duets, trios. And so you could see all of that in different playlists and different sections. Two people on Twitter pointed out, be Gilmore. He said, when you're browsing by instrument in that browse tab, there's no tuba, which is a shame because tuba is a legit orchestra instrument. And there are like full concertos for tuba. So I'm not sure why tuba wasn't included. And then Scott He wishes that there was more film scores available in the app. And there are film scores, like you can even find Hans Zimmer, favorite him as a composer, listen

Wes:
Oh,

Stephen Robles:
to

Wes:
yeah.

Stephen Robles:
Interstellar.

Wes:
Go listen to the amazing, amazing Last of Us soundtrack for the HBO and then go listen to the video game soundtrack because both are on here. Like stuff like that is here, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
Bye.

Wes:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, yeah. It is there. It's just like, unfortunately, that in the browse tab, like under catalog or playlist that film scores are seemingly to be omitted. But maybe that'll be added later.

Wes:
This is all day one stuff. I think

Stephen Robles:
Yeah,

Wes:
it's

Stephen Robles:
yeah, yeah.

Wes:
all

Stephen Robles:
They

Wes:
gonna

Stephen Robles:
won't.

Wes:
get knocked out. Again, if they're developing it actively, which I hope they are, there's a few fun features. You did mention the classical school thing. There's also track by track, which is where different artists play their music and then describe their music to you. So

Stephen Robles:
That's cool

Wes:
that's a really interesting concept. Someone asked me on Massed On, I love the Alexis French

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
radio show he does on Apple Music.

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
It's, gosh, I forget the name of it. Let me find it real quick. But I love listening to his show because it's classical connections radio.

Stephen Robles:
Yes.

Wes:
So he takes a modern piece of music and then explains why maybe it's inspired by classical music and where some of these things come from. And it's just

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
a fun show, go listen to it. It's not an Apple Music Classical.

Stephen Robles:
right

Wes:
And it's like the one Apple Music radio show they have, that's Classical. Someone asked me, is like, do they have anymore? It's like, no, sorry. The only Classical Music anything related to it is Alexis French, and that's fine. But there's no radio tab

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
in Classical. Can you start Classical Radio? You know what I mean? The station, no.

Stephen Robles:
Alright.

Wes:
So there's no stations in here. So the

Stephen Robles:
red.

Wes:
Pandora stations are only in Apple Music. So I don't know. Interesting.

Stephen Robles:
And it's another weird thing is I opened the music app, I think just yesterday, and Yo-Yo Ma has this new video where he plays the Bakchello suites in like the forest. He's in like the mountain, like the Smoky Mountains, filmed by Austin Mann, who has literally been on the show, incredible photographer and videographer. And so it's these Bakchello suites in this beautiful environment. The video is wonderful. Can't get it in the classical app. You have to go to the music app because I guess seemingly there's no like videos in the classical app. yet.

Wes:
I don't think so. I don't think there's

Stephen Robles:
And yeah.

Wes:
any video component.

Stephen Robles:
So if you want to watch this amazing classical artist playing this classic Bach cello suite in the forest, you have to go to the music app. It's not an Apple Music

Wes:
Yeah,

Stephen Robles:
Classical. So

Wes:
I know

Stephen Robles:
a

Wes:
we'll,

Stephen Robles:
little weirdness.

Wes:
I know we'll never learn, but I just want to know the decision making here. Why release it now in this form? Is this, is this the form forever? Are they going to add features? I guess we'll just have to wait a few weeks or a year. It will

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
WWDC reveal anything. What's interesting about this app is it is an app store release, which all Apple apps are now people were surprised by this, but almost everything is in the app store because a lot of regulators

Stephen Robles:
Yeah.

Wes:
and stuff. to happen so you can delete almost everything from your phone and you can download

Stephen Robles:
Delete

Wes:
it from

Stephen Robles:
mail,

Wes:
the App Store.

Stephen Robles:
yeah, notes, you can delete all that.

Wes:
This isn't though a default app so if you go by a brand new iPhone and turn it on for the first time and don't log in and just go straight to the home screen, Classical will not be there.

Stephen Robles:
No.

Wes:
That's interesting to me. Apple does have a few apps like this but I wonder what this means for its update cycle. I'm waiting for it. to show up in my update queue in the App Store notes without a iOS update. If that's possible, if they're gonna do that, I don't know. I don't know.

Stephen Robles:
Well, it was interesting that it was out, well, no, I guess 16.4 came out Monday,

Wes:
This is,

Stephen Robles:
but I think

Wes:
it is not tied to an OS release because

Stephen Robles:
Yeah, it's not tied to another OS, right,

Wes:
the

Stephen Robles:
right,

Wes:
minimum

Stephen Robles:
right.

Wes:
OS I believe is like 15.6 or something like that.

Stephen Robles:
Okay, yeah, so you can get it. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know, I'm glad it's out there. I'm glad, you know, there was that time period we thought, oh no, maybe it's not gonna happen. So I'm glad it's out there, I've been enjoying it. Let us know what you think listeners. I also want it, we don't have time for it today, but I did review the Sonos Aira 300 and 100 speakers. We go in depth on the HomeKit Insider episode that comes out this Monday. So listen to that if you want the full kind of review, both Andrew and I's thoughts on it. I tested pairs of both of those speakers. The only kind of a small spoiler is HomePod 2 is still pretty good. Even in light of these new Sonos releases, these massive speakers that are incredible sound really good. HomePod 2 is still pretty great too. So that's all I'll say. Listen to the HomeKit Insider episode on Monday and check that out. Also, don't forget about the Apple Insider daily podcast. You can subscribe to that. The link is in the show notes, the top Apple headlines in just a few minutes every morning and support the show to get the ad free version and early access of this show at patreon.com slash apple insider or directly catch you next time.