Our B2B SaaS Journey

In this episode, Mitchell and Gavin deal with possums, fitness resets, a brutal sales call, one of their worst days building SixSides so far, and the product push to get the World Police and Fire Games app ready for testing in just four weeks.

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  • (00:00) - Explicit warning from Editor Mitch
  • (00:31) - Possums, alarms, and nude home defence
  • (05:20) - Socceroos, bike rides, and getting back into fitness
  • (08:46) - Mitchell restarts the 75 challenge
  • (18:27) - Shoot the messenger
  • (24:59) - Europe, Brisbane, Laracon AU, and travel plans
  • (33:26) - One of our worst days building SixSides
  • (41:46) - World Police and Fire Games app progress
  • (51:12) - LinkedIn results and marketing experiments
  • (58:18) - Onboarding session and what still needs work

In this episode, we cover:
  • Why this episode earned an explicit rating before it even started
  • Gavin’s 2am possum alarm scare and the noble art of nude home defence
  • Mitchell watching the Socceroos and Gavin’s take on Australian football
  • Restarting a 75 Hard-style fitness challenge after slipping out of routine
  • The link between exercise, stress, mental health, and founder energy
  • A sales meeting that made SixSides feel like a “side hustle”
  • Why blunt feedback can be useful, even when it lands badly
  • The value of not shooting the messenger and digging into the real message
  • Booking Europe, Brisbane, Laracon AU, and a very packed few months of travel
  • One of the toughest founder conversations Mitchell and Gavin have had so far
  • Regaining confidence by merging unfinished product work back into the main app
  • Preparing the World Police and Fire Games app for testing in four weeks
  • Translating the SixSides app UI into multiple languages
  • Building splash screens, map views, calendar views, and better event visuals
  • Using ChatGPT to help turn event schedules into Laravel seeders
  • Planning venue maps, transport links, and event discovery inside the app
  • Postgres migration work and Android progress
  • LinkedIn content experiments and what performed better this month
  • Gavin’s upcoming Orange Sky interview for the SixSides marketing plan
  • Reviewing the customer onboarding flow and realising SixSides is still at level zero
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Creators and Guests

Host
Gavin Tye
Sales and Marketing and Co-Founder of SixSides
Host
Mitchell Davis
Developer and Co-Founder of SixSides

What is Our B2B SaaS Journey?

Join the SixSides.co team as we navigate the highs and lows of building a B2B SaaS company. From finding product-market fit to scaling sales and community-driven growth, we share real insights, tough lessons, and candid conversations about what it really takes to grow a successful SaaS business. Whether you're a founder, marketer, developer, or just SaaS-curious, this is your backstage pass to the journey.

Mitchell Davis:

Hey there. This is editor Mitch. Looking back at this episode, Gavin and I really let the swearing fly, and, I just wanna give you a heads up. If you got kids in the car or whatever, swearing is not your thing, we kinda let it loose a bit this episode. I think it's the first one I've ever marked as explicit because it kinda deserves it.

Mitchell Davis:

Anyway, I hope you enjoy, and, catch you next week. Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, CTO and Laravel developer.

Gavin Tye:

Hey. I'm Gavin Tye, CEO and sales and marketing.

Mitchell Davis:

We are into year two of running a remote startup, sixsides.co, and it's a community led events platform. We're documenting both the business and tech of our journey as we build our SaaS.

Gavin Tye:

How are you mate? Mate, very, very well. I'm, doing okay. I've got a rude awakening the other day by some possums, which is, we were asleep. We took all the cameras down.

Gavin Tye:

We've got some painting around the house. Right? And then about two in the morning, like the alarm's going off and we're like, wakes you up out of bed. And you're like, what's going on? And I'm looking at the camera and there's a possum looking up at the camera.

Gavin Tye:

And, so what happened was the cameras of down near the officer flopped down and the possum was up there looking at it. It scared the shit out of me.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That doesn't help. When was that?

Gavin Tye:

Oh, two days ago or something.

Mitchell Davis:

Right. Okay.

Gavin Tye:

So not Mel woke

Mitchell Davis:

up last night.

Gavin Tye:

No, no, no. Mel woke up the next day and was like, oh, the alarms have gone off. I was like, yeah, just have a look at the camera. Like, she's no, she's no help.

Mitchell Davis:

Good to know that, she'll wake up if there's an emergency, I guess. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. It's not her job, mate. Yeah. When we were young, when we, when we, when we were younger, when we first moved into our house together, it was at a place called Camp Hill and the front sliding doors or the front doors under the balcony one night opened. We didn't shut them properly.

Gavin Tye:

And Mel was like, there's someone in the house. Was like, and I was listening. I was like, there's no one in the house. It's just the wind. And so she was panicking.

Gavin Tye:

And the next day she goes, I couldn't sleep. I thought someone was in the house. And I was like, if someone comes in the house, you will not have to worry about it. And she's like, oh, okay. Okay.

Gavin Tye:

And about a month later, my stepdad, he was like, can I stay at your house? Cause he was a traffic controller in Brisbane. And he was, he was like, oh, do you mind if I sleep there? Cause so I don't have to drive back to Tweed Heads, which is an hour and a half away or an hour away in traffic. I was like, yeah, yeah, no worries.

Gavin Tye:

So he has a spare key and he just come over in the middle of the night, one night, didn't tell us he was coming and tried to sneak into the house. The front door was right at the bedroom and all of a sudden the front door's open and someone's coming in and I got up, I was nude and I was like, who the fuck are you? Like, I was so hyped. Like I was ready to go, even in between Mel and, the hat, like in between Mel and him. And he gets in, he's like, I'm I'm sorry.

Gavin Tye:

I'm sorry. I didn't wanna wake anyone up. And I was like, you fucking idiot. And I turned to Mel and I was like, I fucking told you I protect you. I never wanna hear another thing.

Gavin Tye:

And she's like, yep. Fair enough. Fair enough. Oh, man. It was scary.

Mitchell Davis:

I think there's something powerful about confronting someone in your own house in the nude. Like, I've thought about that as well of like because, yeah, I I sleep nude as well. And, like, you see you might see online, like, people being, like, embarrassed or whatever about that. Like, oh, what do I do if, you know, there's someone there? What?

Mitchell Davis:

I gotta quickly put clothes on. Fuck it. Like, that would be intimidating having someone, like, running at you with with all that shit hanging out. Like that's where the

Gavin Tye:

term swinging dick comes from. Exactly. I had a friend who woke up and there was someone in his bedroom going through his cupboards while they were asleep. And he ran out of the house and they went out the side. He went out the front and he was nude.

Gavin Tye:

He went straight through the fence and he just didn't even bother jumping. And he went through the fence, got the guy. But his knee got caught within, in between the, it was like a pool fence and his knee got caught in between there and he couldn't get out of it. And he goes, God, I squeezed him. I squeezed his testicles so hard.

Gavin Tye:

Like it was, he certainly knew that he went into the house. Yeah. But I don't even think you think about it because I I didn't think

Mitchell Davis:

about it. It's all just in the moment, but like people just I've seen posts and stuff online and people are

Gavin Tye:

oh, you know, I don't know what

Mitchell Davis:

I would do. Fucking When

Gavin Tye:

you're logically thinking that's a logical, worry. But when you're in the moment and it's you think it's life and death, I don't think it matters

Mitchell Davis:

too family and stuff. Yeah. You might have

Gavin Tye:

to put an explicit rating on this podcast, by the way, because we're like about being dude and it's

Mitchell Davis:

bit It's alright. If you're still with us, episode 71, you you know what we're

Gavin Tye:

about. Yeah. Welcome to six sides. We talk about events happening. Dick.

Mitchell Davis:

It's alright.

Gavin Tye:

How are you, mate? What's going on in your world?

Mitchell Davis:

I'm good. Little follow-up last week. So I took the afternoon off to go watch the Socceroos, and it it was great to do that. It was awesome. But the game was a bit flat, a bit boring from my perspective.

Mitchell Davis:

It was a nil all. Yep. And apparently that meant we get to go through to the next round, but it sure was like, okay. I took the arvo off of this sort of a vibe on

Gavin Tye:

my It's generally Australian soccer. Right? Is it? It's either hit or hit or miss. Like they are good.

Gavin Tye:

We are really good defenders. We just don't have great strikers. We haven't had a good striker since, Cahill and before that was Cule. So, I haven't watched too much of it since then, but, we are that's our defense keeps us in it. So Right.

Gavin Tye:

Okay. But do you know who we're playing tomorrow morning? Oh, Mitchell Davis. Mitchell Davis. Come on.

Gavin Tye:

It's Egypt.

Mitchell Davis:

It's Egypt. Of course. Of course it's Egypt. Yep.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. They're the top of their pyramid.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Okay. Your thoughts, are we gonna win it or nah?

Gavin Tye:

Well, I don't know where they've, I actually, they must have finished second or third. So they're pretty strong. I was talking to the Barbara about it. To Barbara yesterday. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

He's Iraqi fella barely speaks English. He was the one thing he wanted

Mitchell Davis:

to talk about. So, Right.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. So it's no, Egypt is two forty five on sports bet and three forty five Australia draw is two eighty five. That can't be a draw because it's, Snockouts. Yeah. Cause I have penny shootout.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Okay. Well, that's interesting. They'd even allow that bet then, but okay. Right.

Mitchell Davis:

So we're certainly not the favorite, but, but, hey, let's see how we go.

Gavin Tye:

Right? But they must have topped their group because they were three wins in two draws, the last three games. It's to go through Egypt is a dollar 66 and Australia's $2.18. So, yeah, there must be, yeah. Anyway.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright. We're the underdogs.

Gavin Tye:

That's okay. We'll be the underdogs by far going forward.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Like Yeah. Sure. Yep. Anyway, so you're getting up to watch it.

Mitchell Davis:

Right? Is it 4AM?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. And now I'm gonna go for a bike ride after that. So yeah. Euro. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

I know. It'll be a bit warmer then too. So

Mitchell Davis:

yeah. How's your, your bike riding prep going for your a 100 K Brisbane to Gold Coast ride?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Well, tomorrow's my first one. So we've had some stuff on. I was gonna go on Wednesday, but then we had someone here doing some stuff for the house, so I couldn't leave him. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

And I'd also, he was, he was a laborer and he had a digger, like a, an excavator and a bobcat and Mel was home. The truth is, I was like, hon, I don't wanna walk past this guy in my locker and go for a ride. Just put the bike in the car and go around the corner and do it. I was like, I can't do that. Like, I'm not I'm just gonna go.

Gavin Tye:

I'll just go another day. So I went for a run. Yep. So

Mitchell Davis:

Well, that's alright. That's admirable. Yeah. I I I could understand that. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Cool. Okay. Well, on my side of the fans with fitness wise, I've gotten fatter and since the wedding where I lost, like, eight kilos, I think it was. And, so anyway, long story short, I'm going back on the 75, probably medium challenge. I'll do my own variant of it.

Mitchell Davis:

So we talked about this, like back in January, I think.

Gavin Tye:

Sure.

Mitchell Davis:

I don't know. Somewhere around like episode 48, probably somewhere in there. But yeah, I'm picking it back up because I'm not happy with where I'm at. I'm a bit disappointed with myself to be honest. And yeah, it's just time.

Mitchell Davis:

So I know that I had good success with doing it before. Gives me some like discipline, something to stick to. And I like sticking to things once I start them, I kind of, I like a streak. And yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm going back on it. So this time I'm gonna incorporate going to the gym because I think like the it's like two forty five minute sessions or something.

Mitchell Davis:

Is that the hard one?

Gavin Tye:

Outside. Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Is that the hard one? The forty five minute? Yeah. Okay. So maybe I'll do that because I can definitely do a a walk.

Mitchell Davis:

I'll still just be walking. I'll do a walk and I'll do a workout at the gym. Yeah. And, yeah. So, it starts today.

Mitchell Davis:

It has already started. So I took my photo this morning, and Nicole's probably gonna partially do it with me, but she's like, yeah. Okay. If you start walking again, I'll start walking again. Let's do it.

Mitchell Davis:

Because we're both not too happy.

Gavin Tye:

Are you gonna share your photo for the listeners?

Mitchell Davis:

Definitely not. What

Gavin Tye:

were you when, before you started, getting ready for the wedding? You said your last eight kilos. Were you what? 98?

Mitchell Davis:

I was 96, I think.

Gavin Tye:

Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

At my lowest pre wedding, I got to eighty eight and a half. Yep. On wedding day, I was eighty nine.

Gavin Tye:

Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

So, look. Fuck it. Whatever. I'm I'm currently ninety five. So I've put back on almost all of the weight that I lost.

Mitchell Davis:

And that's been through, like, bad eating and not exercising and just being like, oh, you know, it's okay. It's alright. Plus I've been dealing with some like stressful stuff. Honestly, I think I've had a bit of depression over the last couple of months. And so I haven't been dealing with like eating properly.

Gavin Tye:

It from your hair

Mitchell Davis:

loss? Pardon?

Gavin Tye:

Is it from your hair loss?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. You're a

Gavin Tye:

dick. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to drill down. No,

Mitchell Davis:

we don't need to drill down. No, it's not from my hair loss, but thank you for bringing that up. Anyway, so starting to come out of all of that and, yeah, just like taking a look at it and I'm like, I'm not happy.

Gavin Tye:

So it's hard. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Changing it.

Gavin Tye:

It's hard to maintain that stuff when you, you have other pressures going on. I'm the same, like I moved and, like my, everything that I've been working hard for to build a routine just went out the window for two weeks. I was like, wow, right. And it's been really hard to get it back. And now I'm starting to feel settled again, but it's, we always knew after the wedding, we already spoke about it, that you will probably stop because the goals ended.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. But at least you're not back to '96, '97 where you were. Yeah. And we all go through ups and downs.

Mitchell Davis:

So Yeah. It's I'm only human and it's okay. Like, I've I can still be disappointed while acknowledging like, hey, Shit happens. You know? And there's been reasons for it.

Mitchell Davis:

If I'd been, you know, happy as Larry for the last couple of months, it probably wouldn't happen. But there's been a lot of pressure, a lot of things in the air. So, shit happens. So I'm gonna deal with it. You know?

Gavin Tye:

I wonder, cause I've said this to Mel before and it happens to me when I don't go through times when I move and sweat and do exercise, I get depressed or down and Mel does it too. And I was saying to her a few months ago, I was like, are you aware whenever you stop moving, you get depressed? And she's like, oh shit. Yeah. Right.

Gavin Tye:

And then, and so it's probably a little bit of other things and the fact that you're not doing that exercise. Right. So for

Mitchell Davis:

sure. It would be a self feeding cycle, I think until you have enough to go like, screw this. Like, I'm gonna make a change here. Right? Because, yeah, you go, I'm would tell myself, I'm gonna go to the gym today and then I don't do it.

Mitchell Davis:

And then I feel like shit about that. Right? And then it's even easier the next day. Ugh. I'm not someone who goes to the gym, you know, or I don't go for walks anymore or whatever.

Mitchell Davis:

So anyway, we don't have to hop on. I'm making a change.

Gavin Tye:

I had two mornings I went up, I was like, oh, I don't want to go today. And I'm like, just don't even fucking think about it. Just keep going. And I got there and I'm glad I left. Like this morning I got up and I was like, I could just go sit in my car somewhere.

Gavin Tye:

Mel would never know. Cause it was a hard that's Oh, great. And then I got there and then the gate was locked and luckily I got the code a few weeks before of someone. And I was like, I could just not find the code. And I was like, just keep going.

Gavin Tye:

And then it was actually a decently hard workout today. And at the end I was like, I'm fucking glad I did that. So I've taken stock from our conversation a few weeks ago, like about when I I'm trying to build routine by going to the gym, but I also work well with goals. And so, but I also like variety. And so I can't do the same thing over and over again.

Gavin Tye:

I do get a bit bored. So like I've signed up for that a 100 K ride, which is in the end of August. And then from there I've decided I'm almost certain I'm going to do it. I'm going to go into like a 25 ks or a 50, which is in, I think it's in October. So it gives me eight weeks from there, end or beginning in November.

Gavin Tye:

But we can go away for the weekend and then I can do that. I don't have to run it. I can just get it done. And then I'm going to switch into next year. Hydrox, which is in Ape was in April 20, April this year for '26.

Gavin Tye:

And it's a, it's like CrossFit, do running and wall balls and shit, but it's a pretty big event. And then I'm gonna go from there into a map, into a half marathon or marathon, And then start again, that cycle, give me four big things that I do, all variety, that are kind of linked, but not. And, I could just go from training block that mixes it up from one to the next and try and do that for the next three or four years. Right. Good ones.

Gavin Tye:

Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

There's a long term goal, but it sounds, sounds doable knowing you and what you are like with training. You're generally pretty committed.

Gavin Tye:

Well, you would say that, but I'm, I'm a 101. So yeah, it's not muscle either. So it's not all, not all muscle mate. Yeah. Big it's a big swinging dick.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Don't rob my house, mate. You've got yourself a bit of a problem.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Anyway, it's good. So look.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. That's the real the real story, the real scoop on where things are at. We'll I'll certainly keep you posted, but, it's it's nice to have like, okay. I made a commitment, and I've got a start on it today. So I'm back having, like, three liters of water a day.

Gavin Tye:

Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

I've only been getting through maybe a liter and a half over the last little while. So I'm expecting to have the same thing that happened last time where it's like, oh my god. I gotta go to the bathroom, like, every half an hour in the afternoons until my my bladder gets used to it again. So I don't look forward

Gavin Tye:

to that. But anyway And so more you sweat, I think as well. If you start moving and sweating, it's a hard time of the year as well because it's dry. It's not, it's not that easy to sweat. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

So,

Mitchell Davis:

will it come? And there's there's rain concerns as well. Like I had a look at the forecast and two of the days over the next week here are gonna be rainy. And so if it's like rains the whole day, then I'd, I already said last time, like, okay, I'll give myself those days off from walking at least, but I could still go to the gym.

Gavin Tye:

You do it on the treadmill.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's right. I could.

Gavin Tye:

So Do you know who Jelly Roll is, the singer?

Mitchell Davis:

I know the name. I don't know anything about them.

Gavin Tye:

He's got tattoos and shit, but he used be really fat and he's lost a shit ton of weight. Right? But he was saying that he was he never used to go out in the rain and he was exercising every day. And then one day he just said, fuck it. Like, I'm gonna be different.

Gavin Tye:

I'm just gonna go out in the rain like, and just get it done. It helps if you've got shitty shoes to wear, but

Mitchell Davis:

Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't know. It's kind of miserable being caught out in the rain.

Mitchell Davis:

It's not fun. So anyway, mate, we'll see. That's probably enough. Let me, let me prove myself, between now and next week, and then we can talk more fitness. Alright?

Mitchell Davis:

Sure. Okay. So let's talk about shooting the messenger. Sure. Why don't you why don't you kick this off?

Gavin Tye:

Well, you put it on there.

Mitchell Davis:

I did put it on, and I think it's a funny title. But alright. I'll I could set a little bit of a stage. Right? We had a conversation with a lead yesterday.

Mitchell Davis:

We had a meeting, and it didn't go in our favor.

Gavin Tye:

They Well, we booked it in from December last year. Like it was we had a conversation. He deferred it for a long, long time. Right?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. He might've got you take over. Sorry. I just jumped. I told you to take

Mitchell Davis:

It's okay. You go. Go ahead.

Gavin Tye:

So we met this individual yesterday. It's been in the calendar for ages. And then we went through immediately we could tell we weren't for him. Right? One, was with a it was a youth group.

Gavin Tye:

So there was children involved and we just didn't want to have the

Mitchell Davis:

That's an area we

Gavin Tye:

don't we're just not we're not we're we're just not this particular case at this particular time. Anyway, so at the end he was like, oh, so you guys do this. It's just an idea. Just a

Mitchell Davis:

side hustle.

Gavin Tye:

It's a side hustle. And we're like, why was it? Like, why do you think that it's a full time gig? And then I just had to say, we won the police games and we had this other like, Mr. Wad,

Mitchell Davis:

Mr. Tye coming

Gavin Tye:

on board. And he was like, oh, oh, but anyway, we ended the call because there's no sense wasting time. Right. And then you were you were fucking angry.

Mitchell Davis:

No. I was I wasn't angry. I wasn't angry. I was just like, I think the the words I used was like, what a dick.

Gavin Tye:

Fucking. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

That's right. Yeah. And just like the assumption. He didn't ask, oh, like, is this something you guys are doing full time or is this a psychic or whatever? Was like, so it really seems like this is like a side gig.

Mitchell Davis:

You know? And that was the tone and the vibe that he was keeping on. And I just, like, started seeing red. I wasn't angry. I was just like, dude, fuck you.

Mitchell Davis:

Like

Gavin Tye:

Are you in the beginning that said, okay, mate. See you later. And I was like, oh, guess we're ending the meeting.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna sit around. We're like, nah. No. Fuck you.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. This is how I felt. Anyway, we do need this will be our first, like, actually explicit marked episode. This is not one to put on.

Gavin Tye:

Just keep going. I'm gonna make a list of swear words to say.

Mitchell Davis:

Anyway, then I call you on the phone after, and I tell you that. Was like, man, fuck this guy. Like, what an asshole and dah, dah, dah, dah. And then and then what

Gavin Tye:

did you say? So don't don't shoot the messenger. Hear the message. Right? Because I've been in plenty of sales the way that comes from is I've been in plenty of sales meetings before, and I really care.

Gavin Tye:

I care about this, but I've also, when I was a red eye, we would do like, we'd we'd have, we'd travel halfway around the country to do certain meetings and then it wouldn't go too well. Right. Some, some of them weren't, they're not, they don't always go in your favor. Right. At least you know where they stand.

Gavin Tye:

The worst ones are when you don't know what they're thinking. Right. So, I was told that. So like there was a meeting and someone said to me, don't shoot the messenger, hear the message. Like, what are they saying?

Gavin Tye:

Like, yes, they're offensive and maybe it's not what you want to hear, but what's the message? What's the underlying message that you can learn from? And when, when that happened, I was like, when he said it to me, I was like, that's interesting. He came to that conclusion. What did we say to make him draw that conclusion?

Gavin Tye:

And that's what I said to you is we need to think about what we said in that meeting because he didn't just come up with that idea out of nowhere. We planted that. We did something there to contribute. And if we've done it with him, we've done it with others. So we need to unpack that.

Gavin Tye:

And that's the joy of, of having a transcript. We can go back through and say, Hey, why would have you got the idea we're doing this part time?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah, sure.

Gavin Tye:

He could have been looking at our LinkedIn profiles, In real time and gone, oh fuck, they've got other things going on.

Mitchell Davis:

Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Anyway, my immediate reaction when you said don't shoot the messenger, hear the message. I was like, no, fuck it.

Mitchell Davis:

Shoot the messenger. Like, I was still just, my blood was like, it was boiling a bit.

Gavin Tye:

You're not very you would not be very good in hostage negotiations. Right? You'd be nah. Fuck it. I wouldn't There's more people out there.

Mitchell Davis:

There's 8,000,000,000 of us. Whatever. Who can? Yeah. I just thought it's it was funny our approaches because you had this, I don't know, you just had this, like, zen vibe about you when I called you on the phone.

Mitchell Davis:

You're like, yeah. You know, whatever. It's okay. And I'm just like over here, not not happy.

Gavin Tye:

Know if you noticed this, Mitch. When one of us loses it, the other one is calm. There's no sense in both of us fucking going apeshit. Like there's been times when you and I have had meetings together and I've gotten frustrated and you're like, no, no, no, no, no. Like let's just fucking stay in the moment.

Gavin Tye:

Like, let's say, let's deal with it. I'm like, I'm gonna get off oh, I'm gonna get off the call. And you're like, no. No. No.

Gavin Tye:

No. No. Let's work it through. And at the end, it's been positive. Right?

Gavin Tye:

It it's

Mitchell Davis:

You mean you that's me. I'm frustrating you you're talking about. Yeah. There's been meetings where we get

Gavin Tye:

frustrated and you were like, no, no, no. It doesn't work. If it doesn't work for both of us or something, I can't remember what it was. Was it few months ago?

Mitchell Davis:

Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So,

Gavin Tye:

but it's in this particular case, you don't do many client meetings. Like this is not a new thing for me and it doesn't serve. It doesn't serve us if I lose my shit. Because we need to keep the message.

Mitchell Davis:

To be clear, it's not like I was proposing, hey, we should call this guy back and tell him he's an asshole. It wasn't like that. I was just commiserating with you. I'm like, fuck this guy. And then you're like, everything's okay.

Mitchell Davis:

Calm blue oceans. Hear the message. I

Gavin Tye:

think it's because you're depressed.

Mitchell Davis:

Fuck. Yeah. I was after that call.

Gavin Tye:

I'm like,

Mitchell Davis:

this fucking guy. And

Gavin Tye:

you're Fucking I'm gonna do 75 easy medium now for

Mitchell Davis:

the video. And then I'm gonna and I'll show him who's doing this.

Gavin Tye:

He said no because I was seventy ninety five kilos.

Mitchell Davis:

Because I'm fat. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

You're fattest.

Mitchell Davis:

Shit. Alright. Anyway, so so that was that. Now if we can change gears a little, Qantas had some sales on recently, to Queensland. So, this week I booked our flights up to Gold Coast to see you and then back from Brizzy for Laricon.

Mitchell Davis:

Right? So that's happening in the first week of November, I think. Yeah. So I probably should have started it by saying we booked our Europe trip as well. So Nicole and I are going on our proper honeymoon.

Mitchell Davis:

So we went on a small trip to Tassie right after the wedding, and then we are going on our Europe trip from middle of September to middle of October. Yeah. So excited for that. It's been like it's taken us a while to pull our finger out and, like, actually book it. We've had it we've had it, like, in our calendar for forever to get it booked.

Mitchell Davis:

We finally have. Pretty good with all the points that we've picked up over the the last year. It cost us less than a thousand bucks for each of us, like, total to get over there and then back.

Gavin Tye:

Where'd you get points from? Is that on the work Amex?

Mitchell Davis:

There's no. I haven't used any of the points from our six sides Amex. But, like, we got, like, a 200,000 sign up bonus for our Qantas card, like a personal one. Yeah. And then got each of the businesses.

Mitchell Davis:

So I did one for Atlas, my, agency business. And then we did one for Six Sides. I don't know if we got the points for the Six Sides one. The balance is zero or like is quite low. The Atlas one was it was like 80,000 points or something.

Mitchell Davis:

So I don't know what happened there.

Gavin Tye:

Will you reach out to him? No, I didn't. I've got

Mitchell Davis:

a of other stuff. Well, maybe. Well, we should chase

Gavin Tye:

up Should chase up there. There.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. Yeah. We should. Anyway, so yeah. So I had 400 we had 400 and something thousand points and, yeah, I was able to use all of it.

Mitchell Davis:

And then it was like only an extra couple think it was like $800 actually, to book the flights. So it was complicated though, Nicole, as soon as we get back, she's going to China for two weeks with her cousins. Okay. And so

Gavin Tye:

And back to her homeland. Is she?

Mitchell Davis:

Well, she's from Hong Kong. Well, sorry. Her parents are from Hong Kong. She was born in Australia. But, she's been to China before once when she was a kid, but her cousins are all going.

Mitchell Davis:

And I was invited. They asked, you know, obviously asked if I wanted to go as well. But I was like, look, I'm gonna be traveled out. It's five weeks or thirty three days, I think, is our Europe trip. That's enough for me.

Mitchell Davis:

I was down in Tassie after, like, three days, so I'm really gonna struggle. I'll enjoy it, of course, but I will struggle. So when this came up, I was like, there's no chance I'm not doing that. So I'll come back home. But she's actually flying from London to straight to China.

Mitchell Davis:

So we're gonna take separate flights back. So that was complicated to do with the Qantas point situation. But anyway, we've got that all sorted. And then now tying in well, let me tell you a little bit of what we're doing in Europe if you care. Thanks for asking.

Mitchell Davis:

We're gonna go to Edinburgh, Amsterdam, Italy. We're gonna spend a lot of time in Italy, like nine days, I think. Spain, we're gonna do six days. France, and then finish it in London.

Gavin Tye:

In Spain are you going?

Mitchell Davis:

We're gonna go to Barcelona. Barcelona.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. And,

Mitchell Davis:

Seville, I think it is. Yeah. So both of those. And this is all largely driven by Nicole. Like, she's the one who wants to go to all these places.

Mitchell Davis:

She's been to Europe before. She's definitely been to Italy. I don't know if she's been to any of the other ones before. Oh, she has been to Amsterdam, but, yeah,

Gavin Tye:

we would look in

Mitchell Davis:

and it's like, oh, it's it's appealing to be like, oh, you know, Denmark is right there. I could go we could just like hop over, you know, whatever. But then already this is like six places that we're going to. It's a lot of flights or trains or whatever. Are you having downtime?

Gavin Tye:

You're giving yourself downtime?

Mitchell Davis:

Like Yeah. So in each of these places, we'll we're spending at least three days and then one of those days is just gonna be downtime. Yeah. So, yes, we we haven't packed the itinerary yet of stuff that we wanna do, but yeah, I'll make sure that there's downtime. Plus I'm gonna have to be working.

Mitchell Davis:

Like we've got the police games deadline. The the second one is happening in November, I think, or December.

Gavin Tye:

I don't know

Mitchell Davis:

I can't recall right now. November. November. I've got a talk to give it at LariCon in November, early November. So like, this gonna be this is gonna be a working holiday and that's just gonna have to be okay.

Mitchell Davis:

Nicole's cool with that, of course. So, yeah. So hopefully it won't be any crazy burnout.

Gavin Tye:

One of the best things I did in Barcelona was hide scooters, like Yeah. Mopeds to drive around, see the city. You got to see so much more and you got to go around and see all these different types of buildings and stuff. Yeah. Cool.

Gavin Tye:

I highly recommend it.

Mitchell Davis:

I'd be interested in that. I've always been like turned away from, like in Bali and stuff, you can hire the bikes and stuff. It's always been like, oh, there's people that hurt themselves are idiots. Was it scary? Like, the same sort of thing?

Gavin Tye:

As long as you're not silly. We weren't silly. Right.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Okay.

Gavin Tye:

I think it's all down to how fucking stupid you want to act. Cause no one dies fast because it's too busy. It just got a chance to get out and see all these streets that you wouldn't normally see.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. If you're just walking.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

Cool. We'll keep that in mind. Yeah. So anyway, now Brisbane, you and I had spoken, I think even here on the podcast about doing like a jet skiing or something if I came a couple days early so we had more time. Nicole gets back on the Monday.

Mitchell Davis:

So back from China on the Monday, and then we are flying on the Tuesday.

Gavin Tye:

Oh, she's coming up, is she?

Mitchell Davis:

She's gonna come up. Yeah. Because I'm giving a talk. I'd love for her to be there just to at least see that and support me there. But then also to hang out with you guys, see your new place, do like, we'll hang out together.

Mitchell Davis:

So, yeah, I would have loved to do that earlier but just it hasn't worked out. So, and then other idea was okay we'll get there on the Wednesday not go to yours we'll go straight to Brisbane and then we'll see you on the weekend after. But that doesn't work because on the Sunday, we've got to be back for a family thing.

Gavin Tye:

So

Mitchell Davis:

it just didn't work out.

Gavin Tye:

So So what you'd be in Tuesday night, Wednesday night?

Mitchell Davis:

Or Just Tuesday night. Okay. Wednesday, we'll be in Breezy. So, yeah, it'll just be a one night thing.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Sure. I think we're getting in in the afternoon, like 02:00 or somewhere around there. I don't know, whatever. But we'll we'll we'll figure it out. And if you're not able to pick us up, then we can get ourselves to you.

Mitchell Davis:

That's all. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Cool. We'll work it out. Same train it's not the same train stations, one train station before, but it's really, like, putting you around the corner. So Yeah. Cool.

Gavin Tye:

Okay. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright. Awesome. So, yeah, so it's good that that's all booked, and I was able to use points for that as well. And I think it was only cost us like $200 or something total for both Nicole and I.

Gavin Tye:

So Yeah. Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

The points is awesome.

Gavin Tye:

Well, may definitely follow-up with Amex about, at points for six sides because we will use it for neck when it travel and stuff like that. Yeah. Like Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Gavin Tye:

Okay. Because that's the whole reason we did it.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. So let's circle back a little to Monday.

Mitchell Davis:

We had what we both have agreed is one of our worst days this week. So why don't you take it from there?

Gavin Tye:

Well, we started talking about we always catch up on Monday. Right? And we talk about, mainly, well, a lot of stuff, what you're doing about functionality. Like you've been doing some, liquid glass and all that kind of stuff, updating the app and, it kind of felt like we were getting a little bit too far away from deliverables for six, for the world police games and unlike what we committed to. And that's understandable if you're putting your head down and you're going like, we're going to do this.

Gavin Tye:

And then, but then it hit me that I've become really nervous, that it's five weeks or so, four weeks until we have to do testing for the world police games. And I couldn't see I know you always, you, you had a plan in your head, but I couldn't see what we were doing. And then we started talking about reducing scope, or what we were going to deliver. And I'm like, fuck we've, are we gonna hit this deadline? And I started worrying about, are we gonna actually deliver what we said we would deliver to the police games?

Gavin Tye:

Cause they are very accommodating and very relaxed about this. Right? And then we just had this conversation and your, and then I, my confidence in the project was wavered a bit and it really stressed me out. Was like, fuck, like, what if we don't, what if we can't do this? Right.

Gavin Tye:

We're banking on every, like delivering, going above and beyond. And then we just had a conversation and it, and I don't know what rocked you and it rocked me. And it wasn't good. But then I also think part of it is just the left hand and the right hand, not knowing what we're always doing and coming. I'd rather have that conversation come back being aligned very quickly, which is what we did the next day.

Gavin Tye:

You did the next day or next two days. Yeah. What about from your perspective?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. It was it was a bummer of a day because I put a bunch of work in on the Sunday to start trying to like finish out some of the designs of the screens and I knew this like design process would take a while. I didn't expect it would take this long. So I was starting to look at it like, okay, this is a bit of scope creep here and we are coming up against this deadline. Anyway, we have the conversation and yeah, we're both not happy.

Mitchell Davis:

We yeah. We just weren't each seeing each other's perspective, I think, but you were able to say like your encouragement was like, okay, why don't we just bring everything that we've got already completed but isn't yet merged into our app? Why don't we just bring all of that in? And then let's see where we're at. Right?

Mitchell Davis:

Focus on that first, bring it all together. And then I use the analogy of like, we've got all these ingredients ready to make a soup. Right? And let's just put them all in the pot and then see how it tastes and then we can fix it up after that. Right?

Mitchell Davis:

Because what I had been trying to do was like, okay, let's get all of these individual features ready to go, make sure they're polished in in isolation. Right. And then we'll bring them together. And that would be my preference. But like as we get closer to this deadline, it's it became clear like, this is gonna give you back the level of confidence that we need to have and also will help me not feel like I've got all these things, these plates spinning up in the air that, oh, yeah, we'll bring that in when it's, you know, when it's ready and whatever.

Mitchell Davis:

And then like, it just hasn't happened. We'd gotten behind on some of that stuff because some of these tasks are just taking longer than they meant to or than I thought they would. So, so we did that. So I then got a start on it on, I think it was Monday afternoon. I sat down and I was like, okay, let's just start bringing in all the ingredients.

Mitchell Davis:

Doesn't matter how, like what the quality is of them or, or like, have they, have we 100% covered exactly what it needs to have us spring it all in. And then let's see, see how the soup tastes. It's come out pretty good. So instantly I felt better about it. Right.

Mitchell Davis:

And then on, on so Monday I might've merged in like three or four different things. And then Tuesday I kept going and I merged in another couple things. And so this week, at time of recording in about an hour and a half, we're sitting down with the whole team and we'll walk through all the stuff that's been delivered in that week. I'm gonna have heaps of stuff to talk about because we've just gone through and like brought in so much stuff. The app looks totally way better than what it did than last week because we had all these things waiting in the wings.

Mitchell Davis:

So you and I connected on Tuesday. We got on a call and you like outright called her. I think yesterday was our like our worst day that we've had. And I said, yeah. You know, I think you're right.

Mitchell Davis:

It was very helpful. I took what you said and and like hearing you not have the confidence in it was a bit alarming for me because we haven't had that happen before. And so, yeah, ultimately we've come out stronger. Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

And I now feel like things are much more solid. Right. I'm still nervous about the deadline. Right. But of course I'm going to be, that's my job.

Mitchell Davis:

Right? Yeah. So,

Gavin Tye:

yeah, I agree. I think courage in today's world, I would like to think I'm courageous and I think you are too. I think courage in today's world is having a, the, having the courage to have the hard conversations and be honest. And then, and then you can fix it. Right.

Gavin Tye:

And it was fixed within a day or two days. Right.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

And I'm sure you've been in a position before where you haven't said what you wanted to say, and then it's, and then all of a sudden it gets worse or it doesn't get resolved. And all of a sudden, and then the relationship is soured. And we also had another conversation, which isn't on the list here about, covering our costs or how do we make our money? And you were saying, oh, why don't you just take some money out and then we'll bank it up alone and then we will, then we'll pay me back later. And I'm like, no, I don't want to do that.

Gavin Tye:

I don't want to put anything in jeopardy of our relationship or resentment. So, but I think, I think it's awesome. And I was just thinking about what you said before. I think it's time if I'm in the world police game shoes, they're sitting there at the moment. They haven't heard much from us.

Gavin Tye:

They'd be going, I wonder what they're doing. Right. And they're in the back of their mind, they're going to start to worry a little bit because we've been very, very quiet. I think we need to set up a time with them and just show them what we're going through and it gives them context why we need the photos. And we just get them to go, oh, this is amazing.

Gavin Tye:

Like we want them to do that. So when they're having conversations with California fire and all that kind of stuff and anyone else, they could go, oh, these guys are on the money. Right? Yeah. So I wanna set that up next week if you're okay with that.

Gavin Tye:

I am. Yep. Yep. Let's do it. So, and, and then we can show them what we wanna do with animations and all that kind of stuff.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. So Yeah, absolutely.

Gavin Tye:

But I think what you showed yesterday was great. It's exactly the vision that I thought it would be and then some, right, with this liquid glass stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's that look and feel, the feel of it when you look at it is gonna make people wanna stay in it.

Gavin Tye:

So Yeah. Yep.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. I agree. And that's been why I've pushed so hard to do this. Like we need to elevate our design to systems Yeah. So it looks better.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. Exactly. And it I think it's paid off. Right? So Yep.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright. So let let me get into then what we've been doing. So we've got a bunch of new stuff that's made it in. And so one of those things is translating the UI. So this is not yet user provided content like event names or descriptions or whatever, but all of the static like UI text of like, hey, this is your list of events.

Mitchell Davis:

We've translated that now to I think there's seven or eight languages in there at the moment. Okay. And so, and we've got plans to add more. Right? So because Raymond worked on that feature like six weeks ago or something like that, it's now like very out of sync with the rest of the app.

Mitchell Davis:

So we're dealing with a lot of like, okay, this is half implemented, but we now have to go back and, like, polish it. And that just speaks to this is not the way to do this. Yeah. When a feature is ready, get it in the the main app. Right?

Mitchell Davis:

But we weren't able to do that because I had those like, it was like two or three weeks of the wedding and then going away to Tassie and all this sort of stuff, and I just got behind. Right? So

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. I don't want that to happen again. And when I'm in Europe, I'm gonna, like, reflect back on this and go, okay. Don't let things get behind just because I'm away. Let's still keep it moving forward.

Mitchell Davis:

So yeah. So we gotta kind of re up on the translations and actually apply it everywhere, but the foundations are there, and it's really cool. It's very powerful to see, like, wow. Our app is in a totally different language. Really cool.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Splash screens. So when you first open up the app, we're now showing a nice animation while we then load some stuff in the background. It's actually really cool because then the app there's no, like, loading screen vibes because we're we're just showing you a nice animation. It goes for like a second and a half, two seconds, and then bam, you're in and you've got your list of events.

Mitchell Davis:

It's pretty cool. So we've we've asked them. We've asked the police games, hey. Can you give us this other type of format for the animation that you want? Because right now it's a bit janky.

Mitchell Davis:

So hopefully that'll get sorted. We're gonna have to do the same thing for our logo as well. Get it in a nice, like animatable format for the six sides app and not just the police games app. We now got a matte view of all of your events, and I think this looks, looks really premium.

Gavin Tye:

It looks top show that's top quality. It's one of the nicest screens on there. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Remember I showed you that screen ages ago, that app? It looks it's better than that. That looks childish. I thought that looked pretty good. This looks amazing.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. I'm really stoked with it. So it's like it's it's really cool. I went through this week and and used combination of tools, but predominantly ChatGPT to go, hey, here's the schedule of all of the events from the police games. And there's like 60 something sports there and take that and give me like a database seeder, which basically when I run that in the I know what means.

Gavin Tye:

Know what that means.

Mitchell Davis:

But for the for the dummies in the audience that don't know what that means Yeah. It is it'll just basically take that schedule and then create a bunch of events in the app.

Gavin Tye:

Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Obviously. And so

Gavin Tye:

I've got a grass seeder here. Yeah. Right. Excellent. You want you you wind it.

Gavin Tye:

Nice.

Mitchell Davis:

And, yeah. So I got that done, and it's really cool because now all of those events, even if the coordinates aren't quite right, whatever, we can we can fix that up. But they're now in the app. Right? And so it's really cool.

Mitchell Davis:

You can see where all the different sports are being played, and then you tap on it and it shows you the schedule. You can see an event and we're we're working through. We're coming up with some we've asked them for some imagery, one image per sport so that we can have that as the background and then it's starting to look really cool. So 100%. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

We've got a plan to take all of the images that they'll provide us and then put like kind of the same treatment over the top of them. So maybe give them all like a a transparent layer over the top which is, you know, matches their theme color so all the photos become kinda like grayscale but with a color. And then we're gonna generate nice, like, graphic images for all of the sports as well so that it's in like a nice font and all this sort of stuff. So, yeah, it's it's cool. So I think they'll be excited.

Mitchell Davis:

If I can have some of that stuff ready to show them next week in addition to the app, then I think that will get them excited and they'll probably then see Scents in sourcing like 60 plus different images because they'll see why.

Gavin Tye:

Quick, quick, couple of quick thoughts. One is it fucking looks amazing, which is awesome. With the map view, it shows where the venues are. Have you considered putting in a location services shows where people are? Then if they want to get there, that either open up Google maps or apple maps, whatever, like that functionality that's around so they can do that.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

That's how it works. It pops up and that maybe that's where it pops up and goes to Perth transport. Right? That's right. Yeah, exactly.

Gavin Tye:

The other thing is, you know, when we're looking at the images and I was like, oh, can you put the writing in the image and all that kind of stuff? Maybe that we don't do that now. Maybe we do that after when we have time or we're polishing it and we do an iteration, the time, instead of doing that, we devote to communities and chat or something like that, or the other things that we want to try to get in there. Right.

Mitchell Davis:

Maybe. So with the timeline that we've got, I don't know that it will allow for that on with testing by mid August.

Gavin Tye:

Right? So But what I mean is just don't worry. We can optimise that later while we after we do all the deliverables and, and then after November, right, in between November and January, there's some things we can go, right, let's optimise that later.

Mitchell Davis:

Exactly. Yeah. Yep. So I'm not worrying about that right now. Like, what we have at the moment is kind of that's where it's at.

Mitchell Davis:

So, yeah, there's no time for more playing and discovering of stuff. It is now, okay, let's polish. We got a month to go. We've gotta do our own testing before we open it up for them. We wanna we need to add support in other regions as well so that the app loads quickly for everyone.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. There's still a bunch of stuff to do. It's gonna be a crazy four weeks, but we will get it there. Can

Gavin Tye:

you imagine how good that map view is gonna look when we have different communities in the Six Sides app? Like you happen to look around and go, let's look and see what's around. Oh shit. That's just around the corner. Right?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's be cool. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Couple of final little things. We've got a calendar view, in the app as well, which looks good, but it it's ridiculous with the 64 sports. So we've gotta, like, rework it. There's too many sports to show onto the calendar the way we're doing it at the moment, so we're gonna re rework that. And then you have long arsed, like, six months ago for to be able to adjust the height of logos in the app, And finally we got that out the door.

Mitchell Davis:

So that was actually completed like two months ago.

Gavin Tye:

That's your motto deliver on time and above expectation. No wonder I was nervous on Monday.

Mitchell Davis:

I don't know that it was yeah, either of those. I don't think I'd check that box. But, anyway I'm just done. I'm just We got it done. So, yeah, it's good.

Mitchell Davis:

I'm feeling pretty good about where we're at with the police games. This weekend on Saturday, I'm pretty sure, I'm gonna do our Postgres migration. So I've gotta check-in with the team on where that's at, and then I'm just gonna sit down and execute that on Saturday. And let's just get that done because that's the design, the redesign. Raymond has been working this week on getting it working for Android Yep.

Mitchell Davis:

Which is its own kettle of fish, but he's making pretty good progress. He's shown me a bunch of screenshots on Android. It looks really good. And then Martin's been working on our migration to Postgres. So I had hoped we would have that done already this week, but it just takes time.

Mitchell Davis:

There's things lots of things to do there, but I'm pretty sure we should have it ready to go by tomorrow at time of recording, and then I'm just gonna pull the trigger and do it. So yeah. Cool. Yeah. So that's all the dev that's happening.

Mitchell Davis:

Awesome. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Couple of things to note. I just made, again, it's Epiphany Friday for me. When we have the events on the app and we have the list, the map, and then the calendar view, I think we should put in a favorites, like what we've spoken about previously. Like if you can favorite an event or the opening ceremony so they can, because there's, there will be a lot of events on there that they won't care about. And so they can go to their favorites and then we can tailor the news to them as well based off that hopefully later as well.

Gavin Tye:

So.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah, I agree. I think we've got to figure out how we will allow people to see all sports versus sports that they're attending. Yeah. Right? And have like, maybe it's just a checkbox or something.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Favorite star.

Mitchell Davis:

It's not a favorite though. It's not a favorite because like we wanna show all events that are happening in the community versus ones they're attending. We already know like that list is built from ones you are attending at the moment. I just so happen to be in my Cedar file that I wrote. I'm attending every one of those events.

Mitchell Davis:

That's why they come up. Oh, okay. So don't worry about it, mate. Let me take this from here. Alright.

Mitchell Davis:

I've got

Gavin Tye:

it. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yep. Alright.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright. You've got some, some LinkedIn results for us.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. We're still compiling last month's results. You know, we said that, if anyone remembers probably four weeks ago, were talking about the LinkedIn results, how they went down. Yep. And, but we were posting on my particular profile, we were posting very specific product stuff about six sides and also deal buddy, and it felt wrong to the audience.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. So this month, I did was posted around community, specifically community stuff, like highlighting people's work in the community. I did some fun, funny stuff with just some personal stuff as well. Some fun stuff about sales CEOs or decision makers hiding from salespeople and stuff like that. But my just my LinkedIn has where's my content analytics is was 60% increase in impressions and way more interactions.

Gavin Tye:

That's, that doesn't include your stats. Like even, even today, like my latest post is pushing towards 10,000. Right. Which is from yesterday. And there's some lessons I learnt on that.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah. It's one of my biggest posts that I've had. And I'm just not thinking about, like, I'm just not trying to push stuff. That one, it was a humorous one.

Gavin Tye:

But we're con we're, we're getting the, we're getting the we're just trying to be build on that month on month. Right? Yeah. So this month we started two communities, one for community leaders and one for, for deal buddy, which is a problem led growth, group where if, you know, people are in sales, they try to sell too much, but they don't actually define the problem too well. So, you hear it, you're saying solution sales and stuff like that, but I think it should be problem led selling.

Gavin Tye:

That's another topic for another thing. But so we're compiling the results, but we've actually got a lot of leads in the platform, but we went too far into the community aspect of things. Right. Talk about community and all that, and people are interested, but we've got nothing to show them. So now they're in a stalling pattern.

Gavin Tye:

So, where we're gonna act, we've switched that back now to go back to events that are coming up in real time. And we've got some converse yeah, we've got some conversations. I was just actually, I just emailed someone before to see what her conversation was like. Yeah. So anyway, we're we'll compile that, but it's been a good month last month we're still trying to utilize the we're trying to utilize the team's time a bit better.

Gavin Tye:

And I think I just had a bit of a thought, Mitch, about having deliverables of what we want every day. So, or what I want every day. And so I might actually run a Trello board as a trial with the team is to say, hey, these are the deliverables I want on a Monday. These are deliverables I want on a Tuesday. Just to just to what but once we have the structure built out a little more.

Gavin Tye:

So, yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Cool. Well, sounds good. Yeah. On the subject of LinkedIn, after we stop the recording here, I will go make that post.

Mitchell Davis:

So Okay. I'll yeah. Because I've been I have been dear listener, I have been very slack with LinkedIn. I'm glad you been slack since 2022, I think, was probably when you started being slack. Earlier than that, mate.

Mitchell Davis:

I've never been a LinkedIn guy, but I have a couple thousand followers now. So yes. Anyway, so I will be posting after we do the recording. So if you see it, give it a thumbs up. Yep.

Mitchell Davis:

Alright. Couple other things. So you are making good strides with the marketing plan. Why don't you tell us what you're doing next week?

Gavin Tye:

Next week, I've got my first interview with the the founder of Orange Sky, Nick Marchese, which is really good. I did have a plan of going down to videotape it, but unfortunately, the person that I wanted to help has ghosted me and which is a bit of a shock. I won't call her out, but, I did think about trying to find someone else, but again, I can't afford 2 or $3,000 to someone to come down for a couple of hours. Right. So, it's not gonna work.

Gavin Tye:

But yeah, I've got the first interview there and then I've got another interview on Wednesday and then the police games are gonna do it as well. And I'm just working through some other things. Michael, I just messaged Michael from LaraCon as well. I'm sure he'll do it. And he hasn't reached out

Mitchell Davis:

to you? No. No. Oh, Michael.

Gavin Tye:

No. Oh, no. He just has come back and said, I could do that.

Mitchell Davis:

So Okay.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Nice. He's in it now. Alright.

Mitchell Davis:

He's in. Well done.

Gavin Tye:

He's in. So that's four.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Mate. Awesome. Well, good one. What day are you doing that next week?

Gavin Tye:

Thursday. Thursday. Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

Cool. Well, you'll be able to report on it.

Gavin Tye:

I've got a I've got an interview with Mister Worldwide on Wednesday on Wednesday, and I got them on Thursday.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh, shit. Okay. Excellent. Well, that's gonna then name the project. If you release that episode, that'll be

Gavin Tye:

Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, I and also thinking about that, we have to get an agreement in place. Once we've got an agreement in place, that's fine. We'll do it.

Gavin Tye:

But I we haven't even thought about it. So I will work towards that on, on, on Wednesday, we'll, we'll get that penned and done. Yep. We've also due to check back in with a pretty well known competition on Wednesday next week as well to set them up for the rest of the year. Right.

Gavin Tye:

And which is they come from AIM.

Mitchell Davis:

Okay. They come from you. Yeah. Well, even I don't know what that is. No.

Mitchell Davis:

No. I think I do know what that is. Yep. That's an exciting one. Cool.

Mitchell Davis:

Okay. Well, final thing, we sat down yesterday to go through our onboarding of how a customer would set up an event in our platform in the in the dashboard. Mhmm. And this was largely driven because you didn't have the confidence that we could bring someone in and have them set up their own events with very low touch help from us. Right?

Mitchell Davis:

And I think that's just because you hadn't been fully up to date with everything that we were doing and rolling out because it's not always clear. Right? I'm not sitting down with you every every time on every little thing that we roll out to give you a full walk through. So it's totally natural. So, yeah, we sat down and went through it and it was clear that, okay, our onboarding right now is nonexistent.

Mitchell Davis:

We don't guide the user through anything, but an event organizer could look at it and the screen does make it clear to them, hey, here's how you create an event. Right? You click the button and then it asks you for some things, some dates and whatever, and then you go through bang. Now you've got an event and then you just start walking through it. So it's fairly self explanatory, I think, to an event organizer, but our onboarding is shit.

Mitchell Davis:

Right? We don't have any any real onboarding right now. So it was good. I think it at least gave you confidence of like you had long told me like, couldn't bring on 10 new customers tomorrow. We would then have to do all this manual work.

Mitchell Davis:

And for ages, I've been saying like, no, we don't have to. They could use the system. I'm not in the loop anymore on setting up anything. And so I think you finally saw that, but it did open up for us that, okay, if our on like, a couple weeks ago, maybe a month or so ago, we talked about, like, there was a video that had a set of design systems, and they were like level one, two, three, and four. If I look at our approach to onboarding right now, we're a level zero.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. And I would like to get us to, like, a level two or three maybe. Right? And then we can you when we get real sophisticated, we could go for level four. So that's things like, okay.

Mitchell Davis:

Let's have a wizard that walks them through. Okay. Let's set up your event and ask them questions at the right time. A level four might be we've got an agent that's dedicated to onboarding. Yep.

Mitchell Davis:

So what we're gonna do at some point, and this is probably more on your side, is you are gonna record a video walking through how to set up an event, and then we might just embed that in a Notion doc and have a link to that on the

Gavin Tye:

What on the signs. Will do is you can record the onboarding and just talk through it and actually creates an SOP. And and it just takes screenshots and slots it in. What I do think we could do, which my signs should be here next week. Back there, is do a welcome video and say, Hey, welcome.

Gavin Tye:

Thank you for joining. Like do it on the, just when they do log in and say, welcome to the screen, just do a short welcome video there. Right. And saying, hey, you could the docs here are the conversations. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Blah, blah, blah, and go from there. So, yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

I think that'll get us to a level one. Right? Yeah. That's kind of the minimum that we should have. And then we can keep working on it as time permits.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Great. We do hope to have like, we will start reaching out probably after the police games announcement. We'll start which will be in August or September. We'll start reaching out to all of the existing users in the platform.

Mitchell Davis:

And so we need to have all of that in place so that it's, you know, we're actually giving them something to some guidance on how to use the product. So Yep.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Perfect.

Mitchell Davis:

That's cool. That was good. It was how did you feel coming away from that one?

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Look. We got I think the yeah, it was good. Like it helped fill in a little bit of gap, like some gaps there. And even in the order of doing things that we, I think Martin has gone and tried to plug some of those bugs that we saw.

Gavin Tye:

So doing it again, once, once you can roll that stuff out and I can go through it. So early next week, I would like to sit down and do that on those videos, a couple of those videos and get it started. But, I wanna know. Yeah. As it stands, if I record the videos now, you're just gonna release a few things and then it's gonna be outdated.

Mitchell Davis:

So That's always the problem I found with video is like, you know, even if it only takes you ten minutes to record, if we roll something out and now a button is named differently or whatever, it's instantly, it's dead content. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

So that's, that's where I think we should, be as vague as possible. And then maybe have a video for each screen. Right. Like, like for that, sorry, each tab, like we had the overview, move the theme up to the overview and then we'll just go through each, but be very vague, yet very like point them to, to how they would do

Mitchell Davis:

things. Yeah. Yeah. There'll be a way to go about it. Alright.

Mitchell Davis:

Cool. Alright. Awesome. Let's wrap it up here, mate. We've been going a while.

Mitchell Davis:

Yes. We thought we had

Gavin Tye:

enough to talk about today.

Mitchell Davis:

We were a little worried about it. Where can the people find you online?

Gavin Tye:

The people, mate, can find me on the LinkedIn at Gavin Tye.

Mitchell Davis:

We the people. Okay. Yep. Sounds good. The people.

Gavin Tye:

Or if you're a community, or if you're a community manager or community leader, you can you can join our school community, which there'll be a link, down below. If you happen to be a founder, building a software business, you're more than welcome to join our problem led growth community on school as well, which we'll put a link down below.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh, alright. I'll have to get a copy of that one. We've got the school we got our school link already in the that's in the template now.

Gavin Tye:

But, Alright. You are a founder, mate. I'm very surprised that you aren't actually in there yourself. Whatever.

Mitchell Davis:

No. I am. I'm getting emails about it. Thanks for

Gavin Tye:

your support. Whatever.

Mitchell Davis:

I'm getting emails about it. I'm in there already. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Well, the people can find me also on LinkedIn at the Mitch Dev. Would be good.

Gavin Tye:

Or likely walking around Orin Park as soon as the sun goes down, as long as it's not raining.

Mitchell Davis:

Not around Orin Park, but I'm not let's not say the name of the actual that I'll be walking around. I don't live where I work, so it's a little different. But anyway, cool, mate. Well, have a great week. Good luck to the soccer roos tomorrow morning.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. They'll be listening here. Absolutely.

Mitchell Davis:

They are. That's while they're training. No doubt. Alright. And we'll catch

Gavin Tye:

you all next week. Okay. No worries.