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Soul Unique is for those who are exploring spirituality and personal transformation, and are looking for guidance and inspiration in uncovering, forging, and navigating their own personal spiritual path. When you're forging your own spiritual path, it can be the most exciting, rich, and transformational journey of your life, because you're doing it all on your own terms; it's dogma-free. Through transformative stories and insights from the personal experiences of inspiring individuals from all walks of life, Soul Unique explores self-realization, personal healing and transformation, and the ongoing journey of spiritual awakening. Whether you're curious about the nature of our universe, searching for inner peace, or simply looking for the path that truly resonates for you, Soul Unique is your guide to embracing your own unique spiritual journey. There is only one path for you—yours. [Currently, episodes are released monthly. Thank you for being here! Also check out SoulUnique.com.]
Peter Anu: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to Soul Unique. I'm Anu Peter and it's great to be with you here on this first podcast of Soul Unique. I.
My goal was so unique is to assist you in uncovering, nurturing and forging your own personal spiritual path. A spiritual path that resonates intimately with you. With who you are, with your unique signature and essence as you navigate your life on planet Earth. In this very first episode of So Unique, I'm having a conversation with my brilliant friend, Judy Kit, and I say, brilliant.
For good reason, not only is Judy Kit highly intelligent and accomplished. She also brings a brilliant radiance of warmth, love, and compassion to everything she does. Judy holds a degree in genetics from [00:01:00] the University of California, and she spent 11 years in the pharmaceutical biotech industry in research, biology and clinical research.
And since then, Judy has occupied the position of president of an organization called The Foundation for Mind Being Research That's Mind Dash Being Research, which has been around since 1980, and focuses on building a bridge between science, consciousness, and spirituality. Judy has also been a student and practitioner of spirituality and philosophy for over 30 years, and was guided to the study and practice of Shamanism through a series of mystical experiences.
She received initiation rights from Elders of the Caro Nation through the Four Winds Society, and is a full Mesa carrier in that lineage. So with that, I'd like to say [00:02:00] thank you and welcome, Judy.
Judy Kitt: Thank you. On your what a pleasure and an honor to be with you. And thank you for the invitation.
Peter Anu: You're welcome.
And thank you for being here. As long as I've known you, you have been on your own rich and eloquently navigated spiritual path. And you have to say, you inspire me all the time whenever I see you, whenever our paths cross. So before we go any further, I'd like to cut to the chase here and ask you, what is it in you that ignited the spark of spiritual inquiry and that continues to inspire you on your spiritual path to this day?
Judy Kitt: You know, I, I, right now I'm taking a class in, uh, the B about Gita. Um, and the instructor when, when we were all starting, uh, he asked everyone to talk about their spiritual paths and there was this thread that ran through everybody. Ha had been sort of an explorer for most of their lives. And, and what the instructor just [00:03:00] said is, you all are yearning for the divine.
And I just, I really feel like I was born with that. Um, I was, I was born into a staunchly Irish Catholic family and, uh, raised Catholic, uh, went through a Catholic school through eighth grade. And, um, I, you know, I, I just, I wanted to be, um, I wanted that connection with the divine right. And so in that, the way I learned it, uh, I, I was trying to be good.
I was trying to be the good girl. I was trying to be me and, you know, just do all the things that they said that would make God loved me. Because in that, in that, um, system, the way I learned it, we are sinners, right? We've been, um, excluded from the Garden of Eden and we need redemption. And so I was always trying, trying to do that.
[00:04:00] And um, at some point, I think in my teens or probably in college, um, I realized that within that system it just, it wasn't gonna happen. The, there was no, um, you know, there's, there's a story. When Jesus goes to get, uh, baptized by John the Baptist and the Jordan River, the skies open up and a dove appears over him.
And this voice of God is heard say, this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. And that story always made me cry because I thought, I will never hear that. I, I just, um. Even though Christ died for our sins and all of that, we, we were always told that you're just never quite measuring up. Right. That was my, that was my instruction, um, that you always had to be repenting, you always had to be confessing, you always had to be aware of, um, how you were falling short.
Um, [00:05:00] and so I, I, I think in college I just decided that this was a losing game. And then around that time was the time of the, um, the child abuse scandal in the Catholic church. And I just walked away. I, you know, I thought, no, I, I can't, I can't do this. I don't know what I'm gonna do, but not this.
Peter Anu: Wow. That's a beautiful story.
Thank you. I didn't know that you were brought up in Cath Catholicism and I love, um. Sort of, uh, having a conversation about the word divine, which we don't necessarily need to go into here, but I, and I like how you're using divine to identify something, something greater than ourselves, you know, spirituality and to identify sort that, that pristine essence of.
The divine of God, of source, of creator [00:06:00] of infinite, universal wisdom and intelligence, whatever you wanna call that. But, uh, but in my, actually, recently, someone pointed out to me that, well, divine is a religious term, right? That comes out of organized religion. So maybe you might wanna, um, me, maybe you might, might want to choose a different term for that.
And really there is, I can't think of any other term other than maybe a sentence to try to encapsulate what divinity or divine means. Uh, there's no other term besides divine, so I always come back to that as well.
Judy Kitt: I, I agree. I mean, it, it, it might have some, some baggage with some spiritual traditions, but I think.
Um, I mean you could say supreme consciousness or something like that, but Divine just kind of encapsulate it, encapsulates it really well, I think.
Peter Anu: Yeah, I agree. Just like the term spirituality, I always come back to, to divine and spirituality, even though I think spirituality has [00:07:00] a lot of different meanings for a lot of different people.
And, uh, as I mentioned in my trailer for so unique, to me, spiritual just means looking at sort of the, a broader understanding and perspective of existence. It doesn't have a religious or, uh, organized religion connotation. Um, anyway, I also wanted to ask you, can you tell us about one or two of the most memorable, maybe even life-changing experiences that guided you on your path?
Judy Kitt: So the, the first one happened in college actually when I was, when I was, um, I, I was just realizing it was about that time when I was thinking, yeah. I don't know. I don't know what my spirituality is, but, um, I was, I was a sophomore in college, so I'm like 18 right then. And it's just sort of this silly, this silly story.
I was, it was, it was college, right? There was, there was issues with the [00:08:00] roommates. There's issue with boyfriends, there's issues with schools. It's very stressful. I decide to get on my bike and drive to the church, the Catholic church. Um, and I go and I sit, it's the afternoon a like on a Tuesday and I go and I sit in this Catholic church and I, and I get on my knees to pray.
And my praying is basically this litany of everything that's wrong. It's like, this is happening and this is happening and I don't know what to do. And I was just kind of in my head and out of nowhere I heard a voice and it was as clear as a bell. It was. It was right there, and it said, Judy, receive the peace of Christ.
And everything got really, really silent. Everything in my head got really, really silent. And I felt this wave of just tranquility and, [00:09:00] uh, peacefulness that I had never, that I couldn't really describe. And a little bit of shock because I thought, who was that? There's nobody here. There's nobody here in the whole church.
And I was, and I was like, okay, say more. Who are you? What is this? Um, and there was nothing else. And I eventually got on my bike and I roamed happily back to my dorm and kind of continued my life. But, um, I, and I, I can't explain it. I don't know where it came from, you know? I was really grateful for it.
Really grateful for it.
Peter Anu: Wow. That's incredible. Beautiful.
Judy Kitt: I wanna tell you another story that kind of set my, my path in the, in my twenties, um, when I was, when I graduated school, started working and, um, uh, I didn't [00:10:00] have a religious practice at all. I picked up a book to read. Um, and the book was out on a limb by Shirley McClean.
Very famous, right? Yes. And I, I picked it up. I had no idea what it was about. I picked it up because she's a dancer that my mother really admired for her dancing ability. And I thought, oh, a biography. Cool. And so I started reading this book, and it's about past lives and channeling and spirit guides and oh my God, I could not put it down.
Um, it completely opened up my worldview. It was just so exciting. And I decided to read everything that she had written. Um, and in one of her books, she talked about this practice of writing a letter to the universe. Uh, on her birthday, she would write a letter saying, this is the year I had thank you for all these gifts, and for the next year here's what I'd like.
And I thought, you can [00:11:00] do that. You can like ask the universe for what you want. Um, and it was close to my birthday, so I decided that I was gonna do that, and I, and I started writing this letter to the universe and I thought, okay, if you're gonna write a letter to the universe, what, what are you gonna ask for?
And you know, the first thing I thought, oh, I really like a new stereo system, but now I'm gonna ask the universe for that. Right? So I decided to ask for accelerated spiritual growth, which. I wouldn't recommend if you, you probably know why, because, um, because right after that was like one of the worst years of my life.
Like everything fell apart. Everything fell away. Um, and, and I recognized, and it culminated with the, uh, Loma Preta earthquake after a year of like, everything kind of [00:12:00] falling to pieces. Um, just a, a couple of weeks before my next birthday was the Loma Preta earthquake where the earth was literally shaking.
And I thought, okay, enough, enough. Stop. I've had enough. Um, but I recognize that the universe answered my, my request because everything that I was, um, identifying myself against, you know, this is who I am, this is who I am in the world. This is what I do. Um, that wasn't, um. My essence, right? These roles were kind of falling away, and, um, and it was a good lesson.
I, I, you know, that the universe is responsive and I loved that. It was, I was really, really grateful for that.
Peter Anu: Beautiful. Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing that. And as that, that's after the experience you had later than this? Yeah, it was a few years. Okay. It was a few
Judy Kitt: years later after I graduated school.
Yep.
Peter Anu: Yeah, so [00:13:00] thank, so I've got two things I have to say. I mean, one is that out on a Limb by Shirley McLean was hugely transformational for me as well. That was a book that I picked up on my path and I had been as on a spiritual path, sort of a quiet one that was in the background mostly since childhood.
But I picked up that book and it just like opened all my eyes and thought, oh my gosh, there's someone else who thinks like I do, you know, and is having, I. Well, I mean, her experiences were definitely beyond what I was having at the time, but she was sort of, uh, curious and investigative and, uh, going about it in a similar way and it just really propelled my journey.
So, and I'm actually hoping that someday I might get to interview Shirley McClain here. 'cause I did get to meet her, gosh, once in person when her show came. Her stage show came through San Francisco many years ago. And, um, I mean, she probably would never remember me. But, um, who knows. [00:14:00] But I'd also, I'd like to back up and also ask you about, so your experience of sitting in the church and having that voice saying, uh, the peace of Christ, I think is what is, uh mm-hmm.
Allow the peace of Christ. Is that what it was? Receive, receive, receive. A Christian or a Catholic might listen to this and say, well then why aren't you still a Catholic? Or Why aren't you still a Christian? You know? And, um, well, I have an idea of what you might say, but I'd like to see what your answer to that is.
Judy Kitt: It's a good question. I hadn't really thought of it. I think, um, the institution of the Catholic church is what I walked away from, right. I, I am really drawn to mystical traditions of, of a lot of different, um, um, faiths, the ones that I, that I feel like a closer to, um, direct experience of the divine without mediators and without, um, uh, [00:15:00] someone telling you how you have to be.
Um, I think it was in the God there, I think it was in the eighties when, um, Pope John Paul II came to San Francisco. Do you remember that? Um. He went to San Francisco, and I remember they were interviewing Cardinal Ratzinger, who became later Pope Benedict. Um, and he had nothing good to say about American Catholics.
He said, you, you, American Catholics think that this spirituality is like a, like a buffet, that you can just take what you want and leave the rest. And I'm here to tell you it's not like that, and you have to take it all. You have to accept the doctrine as it is without question. And I thought, oh, that's not true.
That's not true at all. You know? Yeah. I, I think it's, it was just the institution that I really wanted to walk away from. And honestly, why am I not still, you [00:16:00] know, I, I don't consider myself a Christian or, um, but here's the thing, the Christ consciousness, I, I don't, when I think of receive the peace of Christ, I don't think of Jesus.
In the, the man, the person I think of the Christ consciousness that evolved, um, what we might call like fifth dimensional consciousness. Right. Um, that is, uh, not dependent on a, a single, single being.
Peter Anu: Yes. I I'm with you. Exactly. I think, um, I mean that's what I imagine. Just you might might answer something like that.
And, and that that Christ consciousness is existed before the being Jesus and still exists af afterward. He is a being that achieve that state of consciousness and awareness. And he still embodies it, I believe. Um, but there are other beings, and he himself said that we all have [00:17:00] access to that state of consciousness as well.
Judy Kitt: Exactly right. Exactly right.
Peter Anu: Yeah. And it's not just reserved for the Christians or the Catholics. Um, it's, it's available to everybody. So Christianity doesn't have a hold on Christ or Jesus or Christ consciousness. It has its own sort of inroad to it, which, you know, I think can be beautiful for many people in their own way, but it doesn't mean we don't have access to that, that state of being an awareness and consciousness if we're not a Christian or we're not Catholic.
So, thank you. That was, I think that was nice and juicy. So let's switch a little bit over to Shamanism. Um, you've had some beautiful, mystical, mystical experiences, as I mentioned before, with your experiences in that realm. And can you tell us a little bit about your experiences with the Four Winds Society?
I think it is. And what does it mean to be a [00:18:00] Mesa carrier?
Judy Kitt: You know, my daughter, she's 23 now. Um, when she was three, three, I think. Um, you know, I actually was, I was reading a book by Sue Monk kid called The Dance of the Dissident Daughter, and it was about, it was so, it was so appropriate for me because it was about, um, growing up in a patriarchal religious tradition and, um, leaving it to find, uh, more of a divine feminine, uh, experience.
And I, so I had read that book and it was, um, and I decided to do a ceremony. Uh, so I, I took the kids to preschool. I drove into the Santa Cruz mountains, into the redwoods, um, and I did a ceremony where I, um, fired my, my, um, my concept of God, the concept of God that I had grown up with. I bought a rose, an olive [00:19:00] wood rosary, and I laid it in a stream, returning it to the earth, and I said, I.
Cannot, um, continue with this, this concept of a, of a, of a angry patriarchal God. And I don't know what my new concept of God is gonna be, and I'm gonna flap in the wind by myself until I can find it. Um, but I'm done. Right? So then I drive back to preschool, to, to pick up the kids. I'm in the parking lot.
I'm a couple minutes early, so I pick up a book I'm reading by, uh, Neil Donald Walsh. And, um, and I, I have tried to find this, it, I don't know which book it was, but I'll tell you what happened. I'm reading the book and in it Neil asks, 'cause he's channeling God, right? He asks, God, what would you say to the person who, [00:20:00] something, I don't even remember what the question was, but the answer was.
I would say to that person, you are my beloved child in whom I am well pleased. And I read those words and I felt like God was talking to me. And I started to leap. I closed the book and I sat in the car in the parking lot and just cried. And when it was time to go in and pick up the kids, I was walking in and I thought to myself, I'm so glad that I did that ritual.
And I heard this voice in my head say, so am I. And I, I felt that it was God talking to me. Um, and it was shortly after that that I was introduced to this, to the, um, concept of shamanism to this, um. Um, I was reading about the concept of soul [00:21:00] loss, right? And soul retrieval and stuff like that. And somebody invited me to a talk by El Dardo, who's the founder of Before Wind Society.
And, um, and I said, sure, I had no idea who he was, but once I, I said I was gonna go in the days leading up to the talk, it was like, um, things were just coming in. My articles would show up and his book would like fall at my feet. And, you know, it was just, I was hearing his name over and over and I thought, okay, okay, I'm going.
Um, and he gave a talk, which was okay. Um, it was August, it was hot. He was 20 minutes late. I was, I was, you know, wasn't that happy with him. But he said, he said one thing in that talk that really struck me, like struck a gong in my head, and he said. Um, that the myths that a society holds [00:22:00] inform how that society wor, um, acts in the world, right?
And he said, do you know there are entire cultures on this planet that were never kicked out of the Garden of Eden? They don't hold that story. So they're not looking for redemption. They're not trying to, you know, to get back in God's good graces. And, and, and then he said, what can you imagine if we had a, a creation myth in which God said, okay, you know, God created the earth.
And then he created humanity. And then he said, he, I'm, I'm using the term he, you know, loosely. Um, but then God turned to humanity and said, I have created this world. You finish it. Create something beautiful. Can you imagine how. What we would, what we would be doing, and how we would be treating each other [00:23:00] if that was the story that was at the basis of our society, right?
And so I thought, oh, I need to learn how those people live, how they see the world, how they interact with nature. Um, and so I, uh, you know, he, he said he had this school and it was, it required, uh, you had to go for a week at a time for seven or eight weeks over the course of two years, two or three years.
And, uh, I just thought, I don't know how I'm gonna do that. Like, I have little kids. My, you know, my youngest was three and, uh, my husband didn't have that much vacation time, you know, to, for me to be away. But, um, I started seeing shamanic practitioners. I had a phone, uh, session with the woman who was the dean at the, at the time, at the Four [00:24:00] Wings.
And at the end of our session she said, do you feel called to this work by chance? And again, I started crying. I'm like, yes, but I just don't know how, how am I gonna make that happen? And she said, you know, it's been my experience that when you put out to the universe that you want to do something, the universe will arrange itself to make it happen.
And that's what happened. That's what happened. So I was able to train. So we'd go for these week long intensivess and then come back and you'd have a mentor over that time. And, um, and it was, you know, I was very, I'm in the Silicon Valley right with toddlers and I'm in the PTA. So it was a, it was a weird thing for me really to think about, what does this look like?
What does the practice of Sean as it look like? To a housewife in the Silicon Valley. And, and I struggled with that identity, you know, that like, what am I [00:25:00] supposed to do with this? Um, and this is why I think what you're doing is so important here, Annu, because, um, hearing people's stories and hearing how people navigated things that they've never experienced before really helps other people.
I, I read a book by Connie Browns, um, who is a pharmacist who, who apprenticed with a shaman in the Amazon for 27 years, and I loved that she married, she's a pharmacist, right? She's a scientist and she married those two worlds. And that's because I, I was a phar, I'm a, um, scientist and I was wondering how, how that works.
How do you put those together? I read another book by a woman in Santa Cruz called The Reluctant Shaman. Who is, um, grappling with the same thing. And, um, it, it was just, [00:26:00] it's so helpful to hear people's stories, you know? So, um, yeah. So you asked about the Mesa carrier. So in the, in this tradition, um, these, the car or in the high mountains of the Andes, and they communicate with nature, um, it's very normal for them.
And they, um, they use stones in their healing work. And so, um, in our training we would, uh, gather stones and use them, uh, in the healing practices we were learning. And as, um, there was a, a minimum of 12 that you, that you kind of acquired over the course of the couple of years of training. They represented different stages of training in, in the healing practices, so that when you got to the end of the trainee and your mesa, your mesa is a cloth, uh, bundle.
It's kinda like a medicine bundle. Um, when you finish with those 12, [00:27:00] um, stones that, that are now your allies, um, you are called a full Mesa carrier.
Peter Anu: Thank you for that. That's beautiful. And I love that. Um, you mentioned that essentially that divine connection, that voice that came in when you were sitting in the church in your younger years came in again later on in a different way.
So you, you still have access to that divine connection, if you wanna call it that. And yeah. And was the book you mentioned by Neil Donald Walsh, um, conversations with God?
Judy Kitt: I don't know. I've gone through, I thought it was, I thought it was one called Home With God. Um, but I've looked, I've looked for and I haven't found that, uh, the quote.
Peter Anu: Okay, that's just,
Judy Kitt: I should go back. I should go back and see it. It might be the first conversations with God.
Peter Anu: It was just another beautiful synchronicity that here, out on a limb by Shirley McClain meant something deep and rich for you. And, uh, [00:28:00] conversations ended for me as well, and conversations with God.
That whole series, especially the first book, was another just life changer for me. I think I've read that first book probably at least 10 times, and at that time I was traveling a lot, and so I ended up with like four different copies of the book. And they're all, every single one of them is all marked up and underlined and dogeared and, uh, just absolutely incredible.
Absolutely. Just like speaks to your soul. Yeah. Right. Yes. Well, thank you so much, Judy. Um. So let's, um, move on here. And I, I just, I would love to hear a little bit about your experiences with FMBR, the foundation for mind being research. And I think it's important to play place that little pause in there so people understand.
I'm not saying mind, mind being research where mind where your president research, um,
Judy Kitt: yeah.
Peter Anu: So can you tell us a little bit more about what F-F-M-B-R is and what it does? It sounds like it's such a perfect [00:29:00] entity for, for your path to have moved into.
Judy Kitt: Exactly. Right. You know, it's, so it was founded in 1980 when people were starting, we're we're talking about the mind body connection, right?
And, um, and the, the people who founded it, uh, bill Goff and, um, a scientist, a healer, an artist, they came together to form this, uh, organization that because they were interested in. Uh, they were saying it's, it's not just mind body, right? It's more, it's a, it's a much bigger picture. And they came up with this hyphenated mind being, you know, to, to describe beingness and, um, and they were interested in exploring, I, I think the nature of consciousness, right?
The nature of human consciousness at the time. Um, and this was 45 years ago. [00:30:00] Um, they were talking about whether consciousness reside, you know, it, it rises from the brain or if it's somewhere else. Um, and they were also interested in things that couldn't necessarily be, um, explained by the hard sciences, you know, by scientific dogma.
And, um, and so they wanted to, what they did is create a forum. It was once a month. They met, um, in a, in a, a, a fellowship hall of a church. And they would invite people who were doing research in this, in these areas to come and talk about their work to an audience that was not going to dismiss them as, because a lot of, at the time, a lot of science was saying, well, those things can't happen because they don't fit in our worldview.
And therefore, things like spontaneous [00:31:00] remissions, things like, um, uh, distance healing, things like, um, communication, uh, after, after death, communication, near death experiences, stuff like that. Um, song was saying, yeah, that's, we don't wanna hear about it, you know, but, um, what they were saying is, you know, a scientist is an explorer, right?
A scientist's, um. Looks at what's happening without a preconceived notion of, but what should be. And so, um, we had, for 40 years, we had people, uh, come and talk about, um, the nature of reality, right? And so it was physicists and biologists, but also shamans, also healers, um, and it was, it's just a, a great group of people.
And then when the pandemic hit, like, um, like most people, we went online, we, we, uh, our meetings went to [00:32:00] Zoom meetings. And, um, and we meet more often now it's probably once or twice a month. And we just invite people who are doing work that I think really our focus now is on the evolution of consciousness, right?
We are, we are in extraordinary times. I think everybody feels it. Everybody knows that something's happening. We're in. Some sort of transition, uh, collectively, maybe even a collective initiation into a higher level of consciousness. And, um, and so we're exploring, um, what tools, you know, what tools people can use to help navigate these times.
Um, how to ex, uh, expand our worldview, how to grow into this, uh, greater sense of being in connection. So, um, we just, we [00:33:00] have a lot of great people who come on and, and share their work, and there's a lot of great people who, um, who join us, you know, now because we were on Zoom. We used to just be this little group in Palo Alto, and now we've got people joining us from all over the world actually.
So, uh, it's, it's great fun and I. Uh, when in the eighties, um, when I was going to the Metaphysical Bookstore, uh, I found them because there was a, a flyer on the bulletin board announcing their meetings. And I, and I thought, oh, science, science, consciousness, spirituality. That's kind of where I'm happiest.
And, um, so I started going to their meetings. I was, you know, kind of fresh outta college. I started going, so, and I was off and on for many years.
Peter Anu: And now you're president. It is really great. Yeah. So I, I think I started at attending FMBR [00:34:00] presentations maybe 10 years ago, something like that. And, uh, definitely enjoyed it.
I mean, it's such a great resource and it is wonderful that it's all available online now. So I'll, I'll mention at the end, you know, how people can access that. Um. So you've shared a lot about FMBR. I'm curious if maybe there might be one or two peak experiences you've had with a certain, um, FMBR presenter that really stands out to you or somebody?
Um, I mean, I would say in my experience of FMBR, you've, you've got everybody from sort of the, the way out woowoo side of the spectrum, and I don't use the term woowoo, um, in a condescending way. To me, what WOOWOO means is actually not WOO, it's WU meaning wake up, wake up, wake up. But the people on the woowoo end are often like really kind of pushing the limits of what's accepted, especially in [00:35:00] spiritual or religious realms.
And, um, like you're talking about near death experiences, channeling the paranormal, all of those kinds of things. But anyway, um, to finish my thought. I think FNBR encompasses those types of presenters as well as people, more on the spiritual, pragmatic, practical side. So again, the, my, my question is, you know, is there any one or two presenters that, that your experience of their presentation or interacting with them, like really stand out for you?
Judy Kitt: Yes. Um, and, and you're right, it is a fine line to walk. You can get pretty out there with the woo woo stuff, right. Which I love. Um, and I, and I don't necessarily, um, I love to hear what people are doing. It may or may not resonate with me, but I, I love hearing people's research and what they're doing in the world, but as a scientist, I am kind of looking for some, some [00:36:00] credibility, right?
Some, um, I don't know, something a little more grounded. Um, years ago, we, and I, I didn't, I didn't, um. Find the speakers for a long time. There was somebody else who did that. And we had this person who was coming to speak and his name was Richard Unger, and he wrote a book called Life Prints. And it was about, um, how the, the, your fingerprints kind of tell something about your soul's journey, what you're here to do.
And I thought, oh, for the love of God, we're doing palm reading now. Really? And I was kind of, um, dreading it, right? And he came and gave this presentation that, not my socks off, I mean scientific, well researched, well documented, absolutely incredible. And he gave theories [00:37:00] as to why he, why he thinks this works.
And, um, and so I was, I was so taken by him that I wouldn't have had a reading with him. And, uh, it was absolutely enlightening. Um, and then I went back like 12 years later, maybe 15 years later and had another reading just to see and he said basically the exact same thing. Um, so there's consistently consistency across and across his system.
Um, so I've had a couple of times where we've had speakers where I was like, oh lord, no. Right? Um, there was another guy, and I can't remember his name 'cause it was a long time ago, who was coming to talk about electronic voice phenomenon. Um, I dunno if you've heard that. That's a kind of communication with spirits through electronic devices, radios, uh, voicemail machine, you know, like, um, and that was another one where I thought, oh no, this is really, really wooo.[00:38:00]
And he gave his presentation. That was God, it was just cogent and clear and. Just well documented made, made the hair in the back of my neck stand up. 'cause I thought he played some recordings that, you know, blew me away. And he didn't, he wasn't trying to convince anyone. He said, this is what, this is my research, this is what I'm finding.
I don't, I don't care if you believe or, or not. I think a lot of times when people talk about phenomena that can't really, they, they can't really explain. They, they drop right into fear about it. And they like to, to stir up that fear. Like, oh, oh my God, oh my, oh, it isn't that scary. And I, and I think that's, that's a red flag for me.
Anybody who's, who's dropping into fear around anything, I just, I, I don't wanna hear it. I don't wanna go there.
Peter Anu: Well, thank you for sharing that. Um, I mean, FNBR is such a, a great sort of reflection of, of my goals with so [00:39:00] unique, I think, where we're, you know, we're willing to look at all these different perspectives and say, oh, you know, that resonates with me and this doesn't, and that does, and how wonderful that you're doing that work.
And, but we have as a level of respect for all of it with the idea that every point of consciousness, every person on the planet has their own, you know, individual path and how beautiful that is. So, um, I'd just like to take a moment and just talk about a little bit about So unique and, um, especially since this is the first.
Um, so unique podcast. So one of the premises of so unique is that I believe that every person on the planet, as I said, could be called an individualized point of consciousness, perhaps even divine consciousness. As we said before. I also think it's clear that one of the basic tenets of our existence in our universe is diversity.
It's everywhere from the tiniest [00:40:00] atomic and subatomic particles to the largest planets in our galaxy and beyond. So it seems reasonable to me to conclude that when each of us came forth from source or from wherever we were before we were born into these magnificent bodies, that one of sources or our intentions would be that we would come forth and have our own unique individual experiences.
So with that in mind, it could be said that organized or institutionalized religion is actually the antithesis, antithesis of who we truly are as unique points of consciousness. And while I think the aspect of gathering and community is certainly beneficial and needed, the idea that there could be a a one size fits all approach to encompassing spirituality and the vast unknown has clearly never really worked and frankly continues to be horrifically problematic [00:41:00] today.
So while there are many common truths to be found in all religions. And there is much to be learned from exploring the wisdom of the spiritual explorers, philosophers, and teachers who have gone before us from antiquity to the present day. I believe that forging our own personal spiritual paths that resonate uniquely and individually for each of us is our absolute birthright.
Now, of course, the role that religion plays in our lives has changed dramatically over this centuries. One of the beautiful advantages that we have in our world today is that we essentially have a choice about how and if spirituality and religion have a place in our lives at all. And yet, even with how far we've come, the topic of religious and spiritual beliefs is still incredibly divisive in our world.
I. So with all of that in mind, I'm [00:42:00] curious if you have an opinion about the rather peculiar and very problematic as we've seen and continue to see human trait, that when a person finds a spiritual path that truly resonates with them and makes them happy, makes them feel like they've touched or been touched by what could perhaps be called the divine fills their soul with what feels like truth.
Why do so many in turn come to the conclusion that their way, their belief system must be the only way? So much so that some will go to great links to try to prove the beliefs and practices of other systems of thought as being evil or at least wrong and worthy of contempt, if not annihilation. So, where do you think this comes from?
Is this simply a psychological issue? Is it a fear that their method of spiritual connection could be perhaps taken away from them? I'd love to get your perspective on [00:43:00] this.
Judy Kitt: I am of the belief that, um, most of the issues, the challenges that we're facing today as societies stem from a belief in separation that we, that we have taken on individually and collectively, this belief that we are separate from each other, from the natural world, from the divine.
Um, and, and I think what happens when you have that belief, um, it's scary, right? You're kind of on your own and you're, and you're competing, right? You're, you're somehow like, oh, maybe someone's more connected than I am, or whatever. And, um. It. So, and it kind of creates hierarchy, right? So I've had this religious experience, I've been told what to do, right?
And so now you have to do it my way because my experience [00:44:00] is what everybody should be doing. It's an ego thing, right? Or there's, there's two things. One, you know, this is a failure to recognize, um, that a lot of, a lot of religions that have been started are based on one person or a few people's experience at the divine, right?
Who then makes, this is the cookie cutter, this is what you have to do, which is just ridiculous, right? Everybody has to have, everybody has to come to their, um, expression of, of divinity on their own for the reasons you said. Right? Um, my other, um. Experience with people, especially in Christianity. My, my experience of Christianity and, and when I was in college, I, for a semester, I also toyed with, um, born Again Christianity.
There's a belief in a, an angry and punishing God. And a lot of the [00:45:00] people that I was with that are proselytizing, that are trying to convert people are, um, fearful who other people, they're like, oh my God, this, this God is out to get you and you have to believe this way, otherwise you're going to hell.
And I'm trying to save you. Right? I'm trying to, I'm trying to, um, make it so that you don't burn in hell, um, which is lovely. But if you, if you reject the premise that there is a hell, or that there is a God that's gonna punish you, it's, it's, uh, um, it doesn't really work. So, uh, I, I just, I think it's, it's the belief in separation.
A belief in an angry God. It's fear, right? It forces people into fear.
Peter Anu: Yeah. And it seems, uh, the, when you pose it that way, like it's also connected to their own fear for their own salvation. That if they don't sort of do what they feel they're being directed to do, to spread the teachings [00:46:00] or save people, that they will not be saved.
And we're just so ready for a time where all of, where more and more truth and light needs to be brought to that misconception. What I believe is a complete misconception. I mean, we've seen over and over and over again and we continue to do so, see how religious is tearing people apart and causing wars and destruction and death.
And so thank you for sharing your perspective, Judy. Yeah. So I'm gonna switch channels a little bit here and just ask if you could give advice to somebody seeking a deeper connection with themselves and with all that is, whatever you want to call that spirituality the divine. And if those terms don't resonate with someone, that's fine too.
What would that advice be? So again, a deeper connection with themselves and a sort of understanding maybe, you know, the questions I've always had, even since childhood were, [00:47:00] I can remember being five years old laying in bed asking what I perceived to be some sort of presence that I was communicating with.
You know, well, where was I before I was in this body before I was born? Why am I here and where do I go when it's over? And there was a part of me that just knew that what was being taught. In Sunday school. 'cause I was brought up in, uh, at that time Presbyterian and then later Methodist. But that what was being taught just didn't resonate with me even at that young age.
So again, the question is, you know, if you're, if you were to give advice to someone seeking a deeper connection, what would that be?
Judy Kitt: The first thing, I mean, the very first thing is to get quiet, right? Is to, is to kind of spend some time in, in quietness. Um, but I think for people to, um, I, I don't know if this is hard for people, but to try on this idea that [00:48:00] you, that you mentioned that you, you actually existed before you were in this body and you will continue to exist after you leave this body.
Um, and that you are this spiritual being who chose to have a human experience. So you, you source from the divine. And I, I love that so much because it creates a whole different context, right? And what it says is that you are connected. You're, you're deeply connected. You can't not be connected, right?
Because your source is all that's, um, and so I, I love, I I, I heard a quote uh, a while ago. Someone said, you know, um, we're not here to experience unconditional love. 'cause unconditional love is where we came from. We're here to experience messy love. You know, like, [00:49:00] love that we struggle with love, love for the other.
How, how do you, how do you increase your ability to love in a human body? You know, um, so I, I just to play with that idea that we are actually these vast. Hu uh, these vast spiritual beings who've come in with intention, right? We've, we've in incarnated into these bodies at this time on purpose, right? To be here at this time, to learn something, to grow somehow, to help maybe, you know, to be of assistance to alleviate suffering.
Um, and kind of just contemplate what that might be for you. What, what do you, you know, if that's, if that's true, just play with the idea, if that's true. Um, what do you think it might be and what would you be excited about if someone said, yeah, that's it.
Peter Anu: Yeah. I think that's kind of, that touches into the divine spark.
Like [00:50:00] what really like. Gets that, that excitement, that feeling of inspiration of like, oh yeah, I gotta check that out. Or, oh, I wanna follow that path. Or, you know, oftentimes that that doesn't come with like, the mind making sense of what that feeling is. It's that feeling is coming from soul or from somewhere else, higher self, whatever you wanna call that.
And that's, that's such a great place to start or a channel to follow.
Judy Kitt: Yeah, I had this great experience. I was working with, uh, Barbara Marks Hubbard in the, um, I don't know if she coined the phrase, but, uh, she was working in, with conscious evolution, the idea of conscious evolution. This idea that we've, we've come to a point in our growth as a species where we can see that we've been evolving over time and we can see that we're evolving still, and that we can choose what direction we wanna evolve, evolve into, instead of just being kind of buffeted by circumstance.[00:51:00]
I loved that so much. She was the first person I ever heard who had held a positive vision for the future of humanity. And this was in the eighties, you know, and everybody's talking about Armageddon and everyone's talking about the end of the world. And she was saying, no, these crises are, are a birth process.
These are birthing pains, we're birthing, um, a new way of being. And I was in a class with her and we were kind of contemplate, I I was contemplated for a lot of, what's my purpose? What's my purpose? You know? Um, and I had this thought, what if I don't have to, I don't have to seek it. I could just say what it is, right?
Like, like it's not a game show where you have to guess where if you just say, you know what, um, if someone, if an angel came down and said, this is your purpose, what would make me go, yes, I knew it. You know? And so I thought about it and I came up with something and I was on the phone with a bunch of people from, from, um, the Center for Conscious Evolution.[00:52:00]
And, and we were asked to say, to speak it out loud, and I was in my house. There was nobody in the house, but it seemed so heretical to say out loud that I knew what my purpose was, that I actually went and stood on the porch and, and kind of quietly said, um, my purpose in Incarnating is to help birth and stabilize a new consciousness on this planet.
And it was like every Tumblr kind of, um, came into place. Every, all of my past experiences, all of my present experiences were in service to that. And I thought, oh my God. That. That's it.
Peter Anu: Oh, that's so inspiring, Judy. Thank you. We're so in resonance. I love it. So how, how would you say, you know, so if that's sort of the starting [00:53:00] point, finding that, that spark of ex uh, inspiration or excitement, how can someone, and perhaps also making a statement about like, writing our own myth, you know, what's my purpose, stating an intentional purpose.
And as long as that purpose, I would say doesn't include harm to yourself or anybody else. Go for it. Um, and that comes down to sort of one of the basics of Buddhist teachings about no harm, but that's another conversation. So again, starting from there, how can someone build a personal spiritual practice or path their path that evolves with them over time?
Judy Kitt: Well, you know, I think you touched on it. I think you, you said it when you were talking about following that spark of what, of what pulls you, what resonates where you think, oh, you know, that, uh, I'm feeling kind of called in this direction. Um, I, I [00:54:00] love the idea that the universe is, um, you know, that, that, uh, concept of pronoia opposite of, um, the paranoia.
Pronoia that the universe is, is actually out to help you. Um, and that things kind of come into your awareness that, that spark your interest or spark your curiosity or something like that. And to follow that with a, with a joyful heart, knowing that you are loved and supported by the universe, right? So that, and, and for me, I, I ask myself, you know, will this serve my souls growth?
And that way, um, it avoids me just kind of doing the things that are fun and easy. 'cause sometimes things are challenging, right? If you wanna grow and, and learn, um, things can get a little challenging. But, but if it's, if it's, if you feel like it's serving your growth, um, I think that's, it's something to embrace.
With joy and curiosity, right?
Peter Anu: Absolutely. [00:55:00] The spiritual path does come with challenges because a lot of the spiritual path, I think, is sort of healing our misconceptions, healing our problems, sometimes illnesses, whether they be mental, emotional or physical or spiritual. Um, and that can be challenging, but it's so worth it, it's so worth it because of where, what that can open up for us.
When we go through that challenge, it's like a, the challenge becomes, uh, a conduit or a, a passageway through which we, we, um, learn so much more about ourselves and we bring in new wisdom and we come out the other end a new person or have a new understanding. A new perspective.
Judy Kitt: Yeah. It really is just about gaining wisdom as, as you move, as you kind of go down the path of life, you gain wisdom through, uh, through challenges and through joyful experiences through all of it.
All of it, right. It's all, it's all God. That's what, but that's what I tell myself. [00:56:00] It's all God.
Peter Anu: Yeah. I used to study many years ago the, the teachings of Abraham Hicks, which is actually a channeled teaching, but you know, it didn't matter to me whether it was channeled or not. It was just like, I used to love to listen to those because they were so inspiring and there's so much good energy coming through.
And one of their messages that I always remember is every bit of it worth it, every bit of it worth it, every bit of it worth it. The good, the bad, the up to down, the right, the left. It's all with great purpose and it all has a place on our path.
Judy Kitt: Absolutely. I am a hundred percent in agreement. It's, uh, I have heard many on many spiritual, uh, teachings and many channel teachings say, um, what a gift it is to be in a body with all of it, with all of the challenges, with all of the um, uh, you know, this density that we have to contend with.
It's all again.
Peter Anu: Yeah. Okay. So here's kind of a fun question, I think. Um, what's your all [00:57:00] time favorite spiritually oriented and inspiring book? Or maybe a couple books, because I'm sure you've read a lot.
Judy Kitt: Oh yeah. I mean, there are a lot. Um, you know, you mentioned channel teachings. I am struck by the, uh, amount of channeled work that's available right now.
Really high quality, high frequency, high vibration channeled teachings that are coming through. Um, I think we're, we have resources, right? We have spiritual masters who are helping. Um, and, and so there's, there's a book, there's a series, uh, there's a guy named Paul Sig who is channeling milk, and he has a series of books, um, probably 13 or 14 by now.
I've, I've read them all. Um, and. There was a book in the series called The Book of Love and Creation. I think it was the fourth or fifth in the series [00:58:00] that I listened to an audio book probably four times in a row, just on, on repeat, because I just, this is a handbook for Ascension. I thought, you know, I just, I loved it so much.
I thought these were su super high vibration teachings. Um, and then, you know, early on, I think Shambala, the path of the, uh, peaceful Warrior was a huge one. Dan Millman's book, the Way of the Peaceful Warrior was another one that was, you know, back in the eighties or nineties. Um, yeah. But I think the channeled works that are coming through right now are just very high vibration.
I. Works.
Peter Anu: Wonderful. Thank you for that. Yeah, I, I don't know of those, the Paul Sig book, so I'm gonna have to check those out myself. Definitely. It's
Judy Kitt: good stuff.
Peter Anu: Yeah. So, um, are there any red flags people should be aware of when exploring different spiritual paths, communities, teachings, or even teachers that you might be able to point out for us?
Judy Kitt: Yeah, I mean, I think anything that [00:59:00] asks you to give up your sense of agency or to deny your lived experience or that tells you you have to do things a certain way, you know, according to the guru or whatever, anything that doesn't point you inward is a red flag, right? Because as, as gurus has said for thousands of years, the answers are all inside, right?
It's about, it's not about finding anything out there. So you're looking for teachers who can, um, help you, help you find and embrace your own, your own divinity. So anything that's serving someone's ego or having you, you know, um, subject yourself to them. Super big red flag.
Peter Anu: And with that in mind, how would you say spiritual practitioners forging their own unique spiritual paths can avoid falling into the same pitfalls as practitioners in institutionalized religion?
Judy Kitt: I would, you know, when I [01:00:00] was at the Four Winds, one of the things that, um, they repeated often was the importance of, of doing your own work all the time, right? And they called it, um, keeping it clean. So you wanna be aware of what hooks you, what are your triggers, what are you, uh, what is your, what is your own shadow work so that you can own it so that you're not projecting it out.
It's a practice, it's a continual practice, right? To really kind of be able to see where you're tempted to react in a habitual way that's unconscious, right? You go into anger or you go into ego, or you, or you get all puffed up. Especially, especially, you know, um, if people are healers or teachers and they kind of start thinking, oh, you know, I know I, I'm, I'm gonna tell you, you know, that's, uh, any, any lack of humility?[01:01:00]
I think if you start feeling a lack of humility or, or that you, you know, um, I. You got it going on. That's, that's a, that's a red flag. It's something to explore and to do some work around.
Peter Anu: Thank you so much. Yeah. It's so important that we continue doing our own, our own work, you know, as we go along, especially people who are becoming teachers and guides, um, we've always.
There's always more. And I think it's also important to point out that awakening is never done. You know, I know some people who consider themselves awakened and they kind of act like, and so I'm all perfect and you can't question me, you know? And it's like no awakening is an ever un yes. People, I think you could say they reached stages of awakening where they've sort of transformed something that was problematic or, um, difficult in their previous life.
And they, they [01:02:00] transformed through that in a way. And that was an awakening. But now there's, there's a whole journey left to continue and it's, it's never done.
Judy Kitt: Yeah. And I think I, you know, I, I think people's, you know, they get to this idea of being enlightened or, and awakened and they're like, oh, I am the divine.
I am God, I'm God manifest. Okay. That's true. But so is everyone else, right? So is everyone else. And so is, so is this water bottle. So is the refrigerator. You know, it's like everything, everything arises out of the field of divinity. It's, it's, um, God is in everything. And, um, so that's one of my mantras, gwinnette, especially if I'm, if I, if I'm, um, feeling, um, anxious or worried or, uh, angry.
Um, I, I, I just go back to this too, is God, this too is God. This is an expression of the divine in a form that I might be judging, but that's on me, right? It's, it's all God.
Peter Anu: Hmm. So as we [01:03:00] wrap this up, um, I have got one more question for you. And what's a simple but powerful shift someone could make today perhaps as a result of listening to this podcast to feel more spiritually aligned?
Judy Kitt: One of my favorite practices is, is super easy. You can do kind of even sitting in the car. Um, it's too. And you see it a lot in, in, uh, various ways is to imagine, um, a cord of light that, that comes out of the base of your spine and connects into the heart of the earth and then also connects out the top of your head to the, to the center of the galaxy.
Right? And what that, what that does is it says you are connect, you are the bridge between heaven and earth, right? I do this sitting in a red light. You know, you are the bridge between heaven and earth, and you are needed, but also [01:04:00] just beloved, beloved of the earth, beloved of the, of spirit, right? And it changes the way I walk in the world, right from in my early days, thinking that I would never be good enough for God to love me, right?
To say now I am, I am an expression of the divine. I am, I am beloved, and I'm connected to the earth. The earth loves me. I love, you know, it's, it's, um, it's a shift in context that. Takes away a lot of anxiety for me.
Peter Anu: I love that. Thank you so much my friend. Thank you so much, Judy. It's been such a joy to talk with you today.
Really appreciate your being here. I didn't mention before that you're actually in London, so hopefully that won't cause any problems in audio or video [01:05:00] quality, but um, for as far as I can tell, it's all, it's all good and came through beautifully, especially your, your presence and your answers and all that you shared here.
I really appreciate having this conversation with you so much and you're such the perfect person for to be on, on my first, uh, my first podcast.
Judy Kitt: I'm so grateful and like you said, this is absolute joy. This is, um, you know, this is the stuff I love to talk about and, um, I'm just so grateful for the opportunity to, to be here.
And of course, like you said, we just, we resonate so well. We, I think we have a, a very similar, um, worldview. And so just feeds my, feeds my soul to, to connect with you and tell these stories. So thank you.
Peter Anu: Thanks so much, Judy. So if you'd like more information about Judy's organization, the Foundation for Mind Being Research, check out fmb.org.
They also have a YouTube [01:06:00] channel, FMBR tv, where you can watch many or maybe all of their guest speakers presentations for free, and you can check it out again on YouTube at FM b rtv. So in a moment, I will be back with a short recap of my conversation with Judy, where I'll pinpoint the resources, suggestions, and guidance that Judy shared in a way that will make it as easy as possible for you to take whatever you might have been inspired by or that you found interesting and use it to help you in navigating your own personal spiritual path.
Thank you so much for being here. Oh, that was a great conversation with Judy. I really enjoyed that and I wanna thank her for her time and all that she shared. I hope you found it as inspiring as I did. Now, before you go, here are the details of everything we talked about. So that if you feel so inspired to read one of the books or get more information on [01:07:00] anything that we mentioned, it's easy for you to do.
So. These will also be posted in the notes beneath the video version of this podcast episode on YouTube. So at the very beginning of our conversation, Judy mentioned that she is currently studying the Bhagavan Gita, which is a Hindu scripture dated to the second or first century, BCE. And we didn't get to talk about that beyond that first mention of it, but perhaps we will in a future episode.
Uh, in her shamanic training, Judy received initiation rights from elders of the Carro nation and studied shamanic practices. Through the Four Wind Society with Alberto Vi Vdo. I think the Four Wind Society is now located in Florida, and their website is the four winds.com NRO Nation. That's spelled q apostrophe ERO [01:08:00] refers to a Quechua speaking indigenous community living in the Peruvian Andes Mountains.
Nicaro are often considered to be the last direct descendants of the Inca people, and are known for preserving their ancient traditions and their deep connection to nature. They truly are a beautiful people. And I'm actually going to be in Peru this spring for an extended period, and I hope to have the opportunity to study with some of the carro in Peru's magnificently beautiful Sacred Valley.
And now I'm gonna give you a list of the books that were mentioned so you can track them down if you'd like. We talked about out on a limb, which was written in 1983 by none other than the wonderful Shirley McClain. And as both Judy and I mentioned, this book was pivotal for us both in our spiritual paths.
Judy mentioned a book called The Dance of the [01:09:00] Dissident Daughter by Sue Monk Kidd, KIDD, which was published in 1996. We also talked about the Conversations With God book series by Neil Donald Walsh, and the first book of the series, which is simply called Conversations with God. Book one was released in 1995 and was a huge mind and heart opening step forward on Judy's path as well as on mine.
Judy also mentioned a book by a woman named Connie Gros, and that's G as in good. R-A-U-D-S. Connie is the pharmacist who apprenticed for 20 years in the Amazon that Judy mentioned, and the full title of the book is Jungle Medicine from Medicine to Magic, published in 2004. Judy also talked about a book called The Reluctant Shaman [01:10:00] by Kay Cordell Whitaker, which was published in 1991.
She also mentioned a book by Richard Unger, U-N-G-E-R, called Life Prints Deciphering Your Life Purpose From Your Fingerprints, which was published in 2007. Judy has inspired me to start reading the series of channeled books that she mentioned by Paul Sig, and I'm going to order my first book to read from the series, which is the book that Judy mentioned was so powerful for her.
The Book of Love and Creation, which was published in 2012. And you can find all these books@paulsig.com. She also mentioned a book from the world of Buddhism called shambala, the Sacred Path of the Warrior by Cho Gim Trungpa. That's T-R-U-N-G-P-A, which was published in 2015. [01:11:00] And I'd like to add here that Buddhism is really not a religion per se.
It doesn't have gods or angels of any kind or creation myths or stories, or even belief systems. It's actually more of a beautifully rich and eloquent philosophy and way of life, a path of inner inquiry, as well as information and instruction for how to navigate the world around us. I don't consider myself a Buddhist necessarily, but I deeply appreciate many of the Buddhist teachings, and I've used them to navigate my own path.
Lastly, we mentioned a book with a similar title as the Shambala book. Uh, it's called Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman, which was published in 1980. And Judy and I also talked about a number of methodologies and concepts, which I will review briefly here. She mentioned electronic voice phenomenon, which is also known simply [01:12:00] as EVP and if or when we're able to find the name of the FMBR presenter who spoke about EVP.
So impressively. I will add that to the notes on the YouTube version of this episode. But in the meantime, you can find out plenty about EVP simply by searching for it on the web. As Judy mentioned, the wonderful Barbara Marks Hubbard, who was a visionary, futurist, and an inspiring author and public speaker.
Barbara passed this plane in 2019. But her work is still very active and valid in today's world, actually. Perhaps it's needed more than ever, and you can check out her foundation for conscious evolution@barbaramarkshubbard.com. And during my conversation with Judy, I mentioned the Buddhist principle of no harm in Buddhism.
It is called ah, himsa, [01:13:00] A-H-I-M-S-A, and it's the first of the five moral precepts in Buddhism. We also talked about pronoia versus paranoia. Pronoia is a state of mind where one believes that the world is conspiring to help them, which of course is the opposite of paranoia, where someone believes others or perhaps the world is conspiring against them.
I propose that we bring the concept of pronoia more into our lives. For our beliefs and what we expect from life do have an impact on how life unfolds and shows up for us. I also mentioned the concept, every bit of it worth it, every bit of it worth it, every bit of it worth it in our conversation. And that comes from the inspiring and upbeat teachers, Abraham Hicks, Abraham Hicks, and you can find more about [01:14:00] them@abrahamhicks.com if you like.
And lastly, from our conversation, Judy mentioned Shadow work and shadow work is a meaningful practice of self-inquiry that was developed by famed psychoanalyst Carl Young. It's a process of exploring and accepting the parts of yourself that you've repressed or ignored. It can help you understand yourself better, improve relationships.
And help you to learn healthy coping mechanisms. And finally, I'd like to add something that Judy mentioned to me after our conversation. She wanted to make it clearer that her experiences with Catholicism were and are of course her own. She told me she knows a lot of people who have had beautiful nurturing experiences growing up in the church.
Of course, as we discussed, that was not her experiences, and she acknowledges that many people share her challenging experiences, [01:15:00] but she also recognizes that others do not, and she just wanted to be sure that came through. So I hope this recap of takeaways from my conversation with Judy Kit is helpful for you as you continue navigating your own path.
I truly believe and have experienced that when we allow ourselves the freedom to uncover, I. Nurture and forge our own personal spiritual paths. It can be one of, if not the most exciting and meaningful adventures of our lives because we're doing it all on our own terms. And as you know, by now, I am heralding the spiritual path that has nothing to do with institutionalized religion.
While I do believe there are many sound principles that can be found in all or most institutionalized religions, and there are plenty of good takeaways and nuggets of truth in there, the truest most personal path we can take as individualized points of consciousness. [01:16:00] Having our own unique perspective and life experience is doing it on our own terms.
In my work as a wellness practitioner, facilitator, healer, and counselor, it's become very clear to me that for so many people, the journey of personal inquiry and exploration into what it's all about from a broader perspective, truly what is going on here. As we navigate our temporary lives on this little blue dot floating in space, whether you call it spiritual or not, that journey has been the answer that has filled a big gap where something was missing and enabled them to move from inner turmoil, unhappiness, and perhaps even confusion to a sense of inner peace and clarity that radiates into every area of their lives.
Now, this path is not for everybody. I fully recognize that, but if it might resonate with you in some way, why [01:17:00] not go for it? Even if you start by just dipping your toe in, as Abraham Hicks would say, every bit of it worth it. So thank you so much for listening today. I hope you'll continue to tune into Soul unique episodes in the future.
I'm wishing you well and sending you highest vibes as you continue to navigate your life. And yes, perhaps even your own personal spiritual path. Thank you for being here.